Listener Mail: Vegetable in Sheep's Clothing

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, production of My
Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.
Listener mail. This is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick,
and it's Monday, the day of the week that we
read back some of the messages you've sent into the
show recently. Uh, let's see, Rob, if you have no objection,
I think I'm going to jump right in with some

(00:24):
responses to our Beast War and Apron episodes. These were
about non human animals doing various things that you might
call cooking. Let's do it, okay, So we've we've gotten
so many responses to those studies about apes and apes
eating raw potatoes and uh and then people writing in

(00:46):
to say, sometimes I eat raw potatoes, or one time
when I was a kid at church that made me
the whole raw potato or something. Uh So, so Chad
continues the tradition. Chad says, about twenty years ago, I
worked in h I worked in food service and took
a serve safe class. I still remember the horror stories
of what can happen if cooked potatoes are not cooled properly,

(01:08):
which can lead to botuli is um. I was unfamiliar
with the effects of raw potatoes, but a Google search
indicates they can cause gastro intestinal issues. I'd say, cook
your potatoes and promptly cool any you won't eat right away.
And on this part of the message, I wanted to
respond by saying, yeah, chat, I was looking into this,
and what I was reading about the danger of baked

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potatoes that haven't been cooled properly was specifically with reference
to those that had been wrapped tightly in aluminum foil,
potentially creating an anaerobic environment that is favorable to bauchuli
is um. So, for example, I found a study in
the Journal of Infectious Diseases. This was or I guess

(01:49):
this was a case report called a large outbreak of
bacul is um the hazardous baked potato by Angulo at All.
So this is tracing an outbreak of baculi is um
happened in April nineteen in El Paso, Texas that was
traced back to a restaurant, and specifically the people who
were affected primarily were those who ate a potato based

(02:12):
dip or an eggplant based dip. I guess they'd be
baba ganochol probably and the author's right quote. Botulism toxin
type A was detected from patients, and in both dips,
toxin formation resulted from holding aluminum foil wrapped baked potatoes
at room temperature, apparently for several days before they were

(02:33):
used in the dips. Consumers should be informed of the
potential hazards caused by holding foil wrapped potatoes at ambient
temperatures after cooking. Uh so, yeah, so I guess they
baked the potato, but it was tightly wrapped in foil,
and then they just left it out and uh, didn't
didn't cool it, and and somehow that created an anaerobic
environment where the baculinum could thrive or the spores, I guess.

(02:56):
And uh and yeah, that that's no good. So you
don't want to do that. Now. I was talking about
this with with my mother. Uh And as it turns out,
I didn't remember this or I'd never noticed this, but
her whole life, whilst preparing to potatoes, she always eats
the ends of the potato raw when slicing up the potatoes. Huh. Yeah,

(03:20):
she just says that that's what I do like to
do it, just likes them. Okay, Yeah, cool. But then
one last note, Rob, you you mentioned in a previous
episode that you were terrified by your your mandolin or
I don't know about terrified. Maybe I'm misrepresenting, but you
you express concerns about the slicing off of your fingertips,
and Chad comes with a recommendation. He says, as for

(03:41):
the mandolin, I recommend cut resistant gloves, so they make
it kind of I don't know if it's a chain
male sort of thing for your hand, but you can
just slice away on the mandolin. It's not going through
those gloves. You know. I just purchased a pair of
these for my mother, but I didn't even think about
the fact that I could get a pair of these
for myself and have some stress free mandolin usage. Because yeah,

(04:03):
I still haven't bothered to replace the mandolin with the
safer mandolin. And I'm still just like shredding half a
carrot and then asking, Hey, who wants to eat this? Uh,
which often works if if my son is around. Chaz
is one last thing, which is you might think using
a glove while using a mandolin as a hassle, but
I encourage you to take a stab at it. Uh.

(04:24):
There will be a number of dad jokes in this episode. Actually,
oh yeah, we did recently rerun that episode. That would
be why Okay, alright, This next one comes to us
from Amanda. Amanda writes and and says, Hi, Robert and Joe,
longtime listener here. Stuff About Your Mind was the very
first podcast I subscribe to, way back in two thousand

(04:46):
and twelve. Recently, I've been listening during my commute to
and from the International Primate Protection League sanctuary, where I
work as a caregiver for thirty white handed gibbons. I
was pleased to hear gibbons come up in the episode
The Beast Warren Apron. I've never observed the water cupping
behavior you mentioned, but they sometimes dip the backs of

(05:07):
their hands in water and then suck it from their fur.
I have read that wild gibbons rarely descend to the
ground and instead drink the water that collects in their
hairs as they swing through the dewey forest. Gross. No,
I don't know if it sounds kind of I mean,
the the the dewey, it's you know, it's it's it's
it's fine, It's fine. Okay, next time you're thirsty, just

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wait till you know you get out of the shower
and then wring your hair out into your mouth. Delicious
all right? Anyway, they continue on the cooked versus raw question.
Our Gibbons love cooked sweet potato. They are offered it
as part of their breakfast each morning, and it is
usually the first item they pluck from their bucket of
mostly raw veggies and brows. Uh. They also prefer their

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beats cooked, and some are willing to try healthy muffins, quiche's,
and other baked goods. If you do decide to do
an episode on frozen foods, I can also confirm that
Gibbons eat banana popsicles. One unpopular prepared food item among
Gibbons is jello. Many fail to recognize it as food.
Some are even afraid of its jiggling novelty MAUI are

(06:18):
greediest Gibbon who has earned the nickname the cookie Monster.
Fled to a high platform the first time I placed
a cube beside his lunch bucket. I love this. I've
attached the video of Nicholas with his morning sweet potato.
Like us, Gibbons think that it's rude to video others
while they're eating. You can see more videos of Gibbons

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eating things um on the I p p L Instagram
and that is I p p L Underscore Summerville. So
I checked out this video and uh, Nicholas the given
here he's eating a cooked sweet potato and he's peeling
the skin back. It looks like like he's eating the
orange flesh and then the the skin is hanging around
the outside like a candy bar rapper peeled back. So

(07:01):
I wonder do they eventually eat the scan or do
they throw it away? Interesting? Well, thanks for writing in.
That was all that was. That was That was wonderful.
I know so much more about gibbons now. Yeah, great email,
Thank you, Amanda. All right, should we move on to
some responses to the vegetable lamb of Tartari. Let's do

(07:22):
it all right, Let's see here. This one was from
This is from James. James says, Hi, guys, love the podcast.
I've been listening since the early days. Regarding cobwebs, they
really do work. This was an aside in the episode
about the traditional remedy of people trying to staunch bleeding
from wounds by cramming it with cobwebs. James says, my

(07:43):
grandfather grew up in the slums of Glasgow in the
thirties and forties and that was all they used on cuts.
He taught me how to use that and plantain the
lawn weed, not the banana to stop bleeding when I
was young. You put a bit on a cut and
it coagulates and or a minute. Having taken a bit
of organic chemistry, my guess is it bonds to the

(08:04):
protein fibroles that form in clotting blood and ties them
together into a solid mass much more quickly. Not sure
if any study has been done, but studies have been
done on using plantain to clot blood. It contains an
enzyme that accelerates plotting, and I can personally say cobwebs
are faster. Not a good sample size, but it's very noticeable.

(08:26):
A great input, James, Thank you. James also says on
the topic of lab grown meat, a friend of mine
mentioned and aspect of it that you didn't touch on.
If you can grow lion meat, you can grow human meat.
Hear me out. I have no desire to be a cannibal,
but how long do you think it would be before
some Hollywood star decided to culture a tissue sample and

(08:48):
sell steaks seems far fetched, but Nicholas Cage would totally
do it. Oh yeah, come on a Cage steak. Yeah. Anyway,
keep it up, love the show and really love weird
how Cinema cheers James. Well, yeah, that's that's a lot
to think about what happens when we get into the
realm of of of cultured human meat and then celebrity

(09:11):
human meat that has been cultured. Um. Yeah, I mean
this guy's the limit, right, Who's the most delicious celebrity
human I mean maybe it's Nicolas Cage. I don't know.
I guess you would. I don't know. I guess you
want I'm trying to think about some the logic of
of of meat. I guess you want good marbling. You know,
want good marbling. I guess you don't want an actor

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who's giving a lot of really energetic performances like Cage though,
because he's going to be stringy. Right, Yeah that could
be ye, it could be a like you don't want
a high stress level uh actor, you want somebody who's good,
low energy performer. Rob and I have just been several
minutes trying to look up character actors. Who's whose body's
cultures of whose bodies we would apparently, But then, like

(09:55):
everybody we look up, we find out tragically died and
we didn't realize it or died, you know, of of
old age. These guys were cold up in years, so
anyway that it remains an open discussion, all right. Here's
another one that comes to us from Albert, Hi, Robert,

(10:17):
and Joe. Once you started describing the Lamb of Tartary,
my D and D mind immediately remembered wolf in sheep's clothing,
a carnivorous plant monster that lures its victims to it
by presenting a part of itself that resembles a bunny rabbit.
You can search for images of it, but here is
a link to the lore No mention of whether Guy

(10:37):
GaX Gary guy GaX was inspired by the Lamb of Tartary.
Thanks and keep up the good work, Albert Well. I
dug up some illustrations for you to look at here. Rob.
They generally involved like a stump that has a big
toothy mouth hidden in it, and then a bunny or
a squirrel on top, maybe some kind of root like tentacles. Yeah, yeah,

(10:58):
it looks pretty cool, I have to say, I'm a
little disappointed I haven't seen this before. Um, I wasn't
familiar with this monster, and looking into it a little
bit more, it seems this could be because it was
apparently introduced in the nine eight Adventure Expedition to the
Barrier Peaks, which I don't know at all, and that
it was reprinted in Three's Monster Manual two, which I

(11:19):
also didn't have any exposure too. And if I'm reading
everything correctly, I do not think this monster has been
published in an official D n D product since then,
So that's probably why I've never seen it though. Um
though even if it had come out, and there are
some additions like basically I I played a D and
D second edition, I guess, and then I played fifth edition,

(11:42):
so uh, there's there's plenty of room for it to
have appeared and just to be completely off of my
D n D radar. But it's a cool creature and
I would I would love to encounter it. The second
image that you included, and this one looks more recent
and maybe this is something tied to a homebrew sort
of thing, but in this one it is a squirrel
atop the deadly threatening mod stump. So what's the The

(12:06):
idea is that your heroes would be like, look a squirrel,
let's approach it with our guard down. I guess. So
maybe that's why it hasn't popped up as much, because
it reminds one of the mimic, which is a great
d n D monster, and you know, has expanded beyond
d n D, which is of course this thing that
looks like a treasure chest and then when you get
close to it or you open it, uh, it's filled
with teeth because it's a monster that wants to trick

(12:29):
you into getting close enough to the treasure chests that
it eats you. And you know that's very it's poetic
because it's like, oh, your your greed brings you in
close to the monster's mall. And it's a fun looking
monster as well. Uh, simple design, every everything works with it,
but with this, Yeah, like, what's what's the deal? I
guess If your characters are hungry enough to want to
eat that squirrel or that rabbit, then it than it works.

(12:51):
But otherwise, yeah, you just like we could pass these
by all the day, all the time in the real world,
and we're just not interested in catching bunny rabbit a
at squirrel. Okay, now the next message, I gotta warn
you we got some dad jokes ahead. But this is uh,

(13:12):
this is from Mark, and Mark says, Dear Joe, Robert
and Seth. He begins with some nice comments about the podcast,
but says, you know, I can't believe you would say
something so ignorant as what you said in the Vegetable
Lamb of Tartarie episode, which is that you know there
are no plants that grow animals out of them. There's
no such thing as a plant animal combination. And he

(13:33):
goes on to say, I submit the following list a
partial list. I assure you have actual organisms offering literal
proof that plants and animals have indeed combined. Have you
considered the gooseberry, the fruit bat, the eggplant, the cabbage worm,
the pig nut, the wood tick, the cow pea, the
dog would, the cat mint, the chickweed, the shad bush,

(13:55):
the buckwheat, the bird lime, the fruit fly, and the
crab grass us. Mark, I admit it. I was wrong.
I stayed corrected. Mark. Mark really had me here with
this this email because it was it was a real
roller coaster because I started reading it and I answered
it was like, Oh my goodness, what would we get wrong?
We messed something up. Now we got to correct it.
And and then I quick then I realized, oh, it

(14:18):
is a joke. It is a joke. He got me. Yeah, yeah,
me too. I read the beginning and I was like, oh,
do we screw something up? Okay, well, thank you Mark.
Oh and maybe while we around the subject of dad jokes,
I'll move on to this next email. We got a
response from our listener Anna on the dad Joke episode.

(14:43):
I'll just read a couple of the jokes she includes
in this message. The first one she says, I have
to set up by saying, I enjoy your passing mentions
of the book Jane Eyre in the movie Wuthering Heights. Question,
what do you call a dinosaur that gets lost on
the Yorkshire Moors? Don't know? What do you call a
dinosaur that gets lost in the Orcshire Moors? It's a

(15:03):
bronte saurus. And the second one is why are mountains
funny because their hill areas? Oh? That one hurt, that one,
that one cut deep. Thank you Anna. Okay. This next

(15:25):
message we're gonna look at was in response to older
episodes we did on the Arc of the Covenant. That
was a bit of background to explain this message. In
those episodes, we talked about stories of the arc in
the Hebrew Bible and elsewhere, and at some point we
discussed this bizarre idea that some professor published in a
newspaper in the nineteen thirties that the Arc of the

(15:47):
Covenant did exist but was actually an electrical condenser, and
that Moses was a was a skilled electrician. Suffice to say,
there is there is no real evidence that this is
actually at the Ark of the Covenant story is about.
I would say this explanation is just operating on the
ancient aliens principle. You know. It's what if when a

(16:08):
story describes some magical event from the ancient world, it
did actually happen, but it was caused by aliens or
by anachronistic future technology. So in this case, it would
be when the arc, you know, strikes someone dead for
touching it, or or kills them with a tongue of
flame for approaching in the wrong way, it must have
actually been because this was an electrical condenser and they

(16:30):
got ten thousand volts of static electricity and so forth,
which is certainly a fun game to play, not a
very good way to get an accurate understanding of ancient literature.
But Lex gets in touch about these episodes. Starts off
by saying some nice things about the show and then
goes on with the message Rob, Rob, do you want
to read this one? Sure? Lex writes, I recently listened

(16:50):
to some old episodes and love your discussion of the
arc of the Covenant in your episode from However, I
did not want to write in about an episode that
was recorded over three years ago and last aired in
twenty nine. However, you mentioned Raiders of the Lost arc
in your recent Weird House episode on the Devil Rides Out,
so that felt like that was my chance. I especially

(17:12):
loved part two of the episode, focused on the Electric arc.
It instantly reminded me of one of my favorite songs
of late It's called Mercy Seat by Nick Cave and
the Bad Seeds. But you only should listen to the
live version that I have linked below, because the studio
version is inferior. I was not familiar with this song.
Were you were you? Joe? Oh? Yeah? Uh? And I

(17:33):
looked up this live version. This is this is a
great song. Uh. And I've never noticed the connection that
you're about to make here, Lex, But this is wonderful, Rob.
You should click on the link and and listen to
it when you get a chance. Alex continues. The song
is called Mercy Seat in reference to the Arc, but
it's primarily about an inmate waiting to be executed in
an electric chair. I thought that this was fantastic given

(17:56):
the sometimes electric origin of the alien fire coming from
the Ark of the Covenant. But I can't help but
wonder if Nick Cave was exposed to and contemplated this
mythology when writing the song. It certainly incorporates some other
religious themes. Either way, I find the song to be
chilling and emotional and everyone should give it a listen.
Johnny Cash also covered the song on his album American

(18:18):
Three Solitary Man, which I think you have talked about
on the show. Thanks for always giving me such great content, Lex, Well,
I definitely, yeah, I've definitely listened to that album. So
I have heard a cover of this song before. I
just have I'm blanking on it. Oh yeah, okay, well,
it's it's an excellent song. So Mercy Seed, of course,
is the the traditional name for the top of the

(18:39):
Ark of the Covenant the Lid, where it is described
as the the angels with their wings outstretched towards the
center of the the arc lid, but also as a
euphemism for the electric chair. And uh, I never would
have noticed this connection that like these weird bronze punk
theories of the electric arc being the the uniting theme.

(19:00):
So excellent catch, Lex And I have to say, I don't.
I don't think three years is too old of an episode.
Now right in about whatever you want. If it's really
old and we're going to feature it, we we might
do like a refresher at the top of your message.
It's no big deal, alright. This next message was about

(19:21):
our episodes on the three pupil die. Uh. And this
is from Josh warning this email describes an eye injury.
But it uh, it's it does actually connect to a
condition that we talked about in the episode of polychoria
or pseudo polychoria, where it appears that a person has
more than one pupil in their iris or in the
same iris. And so Josh says, Hi, all when I

(19:45):
was in middle and high school, air soft was very popular.
If you aren't familiar, there are low power guns that
shoot plastic bbs about the size of a pencil eraser.
A particularly popular activity was having air soft wars, which
were similar to paintball, but with less of a mess.
Of course, an essential piece of equipment was safety glasses.
On one occasion, a member of my church congregation was

(20:08):
engaging in such an air software without safety glasses. There
was a Murphy's Law moment when he was hit in
the eye. I wasn't there, so I don't know the
full story, but after a couple of months with an
eye patch, he revealed that a small portion of his
iris had detached, leaving him with a second pupil. I
think he said it did blur his vision a bit

(20:29):
in that eye. That goes to show how fragile the
eyes can be in comparison to pretty much every other
part of the body. On a less gross note, the
last time I wrote in you read my message on
the podcast. Shortly after it dropped, I got a text
from my mom asking if I had written in. I
had no idea she listened. This was the second podcast
that something similar to this happened. Keep up the great work, Josh.

(20:52):
What was the other podcast? I mean, I I just
love that Josh's mom is keeping such good tabs on.
You know, I don't remember what this message was, Josh,
So so I don't know what you're talking about, but
I guess your mom knows you well. Yeah, yeah, and
it's speaking of which you know. It goes without saying
I would hope, but I'll go and say it. If

(21:13):
if there's something you want to write in to us
about and there's something you don't want, if you don't
want it Red on the air, just say it. Just
just let us know. Or if there's a portion of
it you don't on Red on the Air, Uh, just
let us know and we can we can do that
so in the future, Josh, we can keep your mom
out of this entirely. Also shout out to Josh's mom. Yeah,

(21:40):
all right, here's another one. This one comes to us.
This is a from a Vault episode on carnivorous plants, Uh,
which is timely. We're just doing some some a lot
of plant content recently. Jeremy writes in and says hello,
Joe and Robert. Jeremy begins by saying he's been listening
to some older episodes, including the Carnivorous Plant. It's the
episode that aired in and reran Um, which that's interesting.

(22:05):
We usually don't that's that correct, We usually don't do
reruns like that, but I trust him. Anyway, it was
one of those big playlists. Oh yes, at the beginning
of We Were We Were, it was requested that shows
put out some big playwritt playlists, and uh we we
tried to make it fun and and so that was

(22:27):
one that probably came out. So anyway, Jeremy says, you
asked whether there are any plants that have evolved to
feed on anything other than insects. I believe there's a potential,
uh evolving. Example in the Personia tree on here An
Island Great Barrier reef. The tree produces sticky, burr like
seeds which entangle the naughty turn chicks which hatch in them.

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The chicks become so entangled that they cannot fly or
escape and hence die beneath the tree, thereby fertilizing the
soil so the tree grows better. It produces more ease
and captures more chicks, etcetera, etcetera. Well, not quite up
to your example of vines lashing out to grab prey.
The seeds are doing the same job. Cheers Jeremy. I
believe this tree is sometimes known as the catchbird tree.

(23:15):
And uh and yeah, there there was an article I
found about it in j Store Daily that was pretty
good if you want to look that up. This is interesting. Yeah,
so this is this is not just local hearsay like
there's there's been there there, There's been some serious work
on this. But it also reminds me of the dream
of G. K. Chesterton that that Borges relates in his

(23:37):
book that I that I read that passage concerning in
our episodes on the Vegetable Lamb of Targari. All right,
should we dip into a little weird house cinema devoted email?
Oh absolutely, let's go for it, all right. Uh, this
one from Pat is regarding the Devil Right, it's out.

(24:00):
This is the The Hammer horror film that we discussed.
So Pat, ride's another great episode, a favorite film. I
had fun going over the details. I wonder about your
review of Christopher Lee. Could it be that you are
not in tune with British sensitivities. I'm reminded of the
demeanor of English Bob and unforgiven. I think Bridge would
expect the Duke to quote unquote take on Airs, highly

(24:23):
recommend the seven Percent Solution. Nicole Williamson as an over
the top, coked up Holmes, Alan Arkin is Freud, Robert
Duval as Watson, and a great cast of support. As always,
you guys need to keep it up. Thanks a lot, Pat,
We need to, huh, we need to. We have to.
It's it's required. Um yeah, I still haven't seen the

(24:46):
seven percent Solution. I need to. I need to get
around to it. Um. I love the cast. As for
Christopher Lee taking on Airs, this is something that I
think Kim Newman brought up in the extras on that
Blue for the Devil rides out that there. You know,
you talked about the the Britishness and ultimately the kind
of the to a modern view or unlikable upper cross

(25:09):
Britishness of the Duke. Like there's that scene where he tells,
I think he's telling Rex to quote unquote take one
of the automobiles, take one of the cars. You know,
it's just it's no big deal. And there there's another character,
you know, more than one character just sort of leaves
an automobile somewhere like it it doesn't even matter. You've
got more at home. Simon I'd rather see you dead
than take the tube. Well, we'll have to come back

(25:33):
and do a Christopher Lee movie at some point where
he plays a more more likable character, which is to say,
even a villain. Well, I mean he's the most lovable
villain ever in The wicker Man. Yeah, all right, should
we do one more? Let's do one more? Okay. This

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one from Macarius mccarrius says, Hey, Robin Joe, long time listener,
first time writer, really enjoyed your podcast on the Mark
Hamill Geiver movie. I've never seen it personally, but I
have a real fondness for the Geiver Too Dark Hero,
which is the sequel. My uncle actually owned the VHS

(26:15):
copy from the nineties, but I didn't ever watch the movie.
I was just kind of entranced by the alien looking
dude on the cover. It was only many years later
that I actually sought out the film a little bit
of trivia. The main actor in it, David Hayter, who
plays Sean, is the voice behind Solid Snake in the
Metal Gear Solid series of games. I knew for years

(26:35):
that he was at first an actor and had heard
it was this anime esque Geiver movie, but didn't put
two and two together until watching the film on YouTube
it's still there and searching on the internet and recognizing
the cover from my childhood. It's not an especially great movie.
It's a very low budget, wooden acting kind of stilted
action sequences, but I still have an overbearing fondness for it.

(26:59):
It helps that there was a two month long span
where my wife was working very early mornings and it
became something of a morning ritual that following her five
am alarm, I'd wake up, pop Geiver, too Dark, hero
On and try to get a couple of hours dozing
before heading to work. Anyways, love the show Macarious. Oh wow, wow,

(27:21):
that that's such a heartwarming story. I I love hearing
when people have some sort of a very particular relationship
with an ultimately kind of obscure film like this. Um
you know where it's it's it's not it's not everybody's tradition,
but it has become this person's tradition or it was
their tradition at some point. So so that's great. Um yeah,

(27:44):
the David Hayter detail about solid Snake, that's that's fascinating
as well. The Geiver what does that mean? Um? Yeah,
So this thanks for writing in on this um and
like I said, I love I love stories like this. Uh.
We also heard from another listener about the Geiver who

(28:05):
really uh filled us in on the lore of the Geiver.
So we're gonna have to save that one for next time.
So if you want more Geiver listener mail, uh, you
know you know where where to find it. It's gonna
be next Monday on Stuff to Blow your Mind listener mail. Perfect.
In the meantime, what else do we put out in
the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast feed? While we
put out episodes of Stuff to Blow your Mind, we

(28:27):
do that on Tuesdays and Thursdays. That's those are the
core episodes. That's the science and the culture and the
mythology and and so forth. On Wednesdays we're still doing
short form artifact or monster fact episodes. And on Friday,
that's the time for listening. That's the time, No, take
that back, that's the time for weird how cinema. That's
when we set aside most serious matters and we just

(28:49):
talk about a weird film, all right. So, yeah, those
are the episodes. That's where you find them. Uh, And yeah,
keep keep writing in. Let us know your thoughts on
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