October 31, 2013 • 19 mins
Monster Mash: Mummies and Trolls: Could real science possible explain a horror movie mummy's murderous escape from a museum or a troll's transformation into stone? In the same tradition as their gremlin and zombie episodes, Robert and Julie give it a try for this special Halloween edition of Stuff to Blow Your Mind.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your
my My My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie. Uh,
it's Halloween. Uh. There are a lot of issues that
one needs to be familiar with. You know, you need
to be be careful out there as your trick or treating.
(00:25):
Be careful of the cars that are driving around. If
you're driving, be careful of tricker treaters, and of course
be careful of the walking dead, particularly uh, the ancient
Egyptian mummies that may stir to lie in their very
museums throughout the world and then start walking the streets
because they tend to be they tend to be understandably
piste off. Before we go to the undead roaming around us,
(00:47):
I do want to point out, do not eat this
popcorn balls or candied apples, alright, folks, if it's not prepackaged,
don't put in your mouth because it might have a
spider in it. Well, there have been reasonably showing up
and stuff like those people are really people real, yeah,
all right, but let's get to the real right here,
because that's just sort of a sidebar, let's talk about
the debt. Yes, so the ongoing mummy crisis. So have
(01:10):
most of you familiar with this, You've got you know,
word of it on NPR, what have you. Uh? So
you have these dried up bodies. They were once the
honored dead of ancient Egypt, especially prepared for a journey
into the afterlife. And uh. And you can imagine they're thinking,
you know, when they lay down for their final rest,
they think they're gonna wake up in the second Aaru,
the fields of Russias. So they're gonna be on this
(01:32):
we on this fabricous journey into the afterlife where they
have all these magical powers and uh. And they can
sort of warp the world to their to their desires.
But instead they're waking up in like a Baltimore museum
or in some German grandfather's attic, and they're upset. Yeah,
they're they're in plexiglass. People are taking pictures of them. Yeah,
So what's happening here? Why are the ancient ancient Egyptian
(01:56):
mummies coming back to life? Well to understand and this,
we have to talk about something that exists, uh, not
only in the unnatural world of walking dead, but in
the natural world of actual organisms, and that of course
is an hydrobiosis. That's right. Before we get to anhydro biosis.
Let me just mention though, that that the way that
(02:17):
mummies were prepared really has a lot to do with this,
with the way that they were sort of reconstituted, and
as we know it um when we look at the
Egyptian mummification process, it's a pretty amazing thing that they did,
given that none of this was written down as far
as we know, but we do know that after the
lights were sort of shut out in the brain, that
the Egyptians would actually remove all internal organs from the body,
(02:39):
sometimes keeping the heart intact, and then the body was
salted for thirty days in order to remove the moisture
from the body. And then they had all sorts of
perfumed oils and resins put on their skin, and they
were wrapped several several several times. If they were super
fancy royal people, then they got the sarcophagus or they
got you some sort of painted face. So just keep
(03:00):
that in mind when we talk about this idea of
an hydrobiosis and some of the mummies that we see
out there on the street. Yes. Uh, an hydrobiosis means
life without water, and it is a state of actual
suspended animation in a dry meadow biologic condition. In other words,
the specimen survives without water and without undergoing metamorphosis for
(03:22):
an extended period of time. Now we can look at
the year seventeen o two, the father of microbiology, Anthony
van Lewin Hook, who discovered that when dry and lifeless
dust or what looked to be lifeless dust from a
gutter roof which we rehydrated with clean water, small as
he calls it, amcules became active within an hour, variously
(03:45):
adhering to the glass, sometimes creeping along it, and sometimes
swimming about. So those were some of our first cues
about this process. Yeah, and we we see various examples
of this in the natural world. For instance, if you've
ever ordered a pack of sea monkeys, you've you've seen
I've seen this. Now sea monkeys will not last in
a package for ten thousand years. But uh, there are
there are other animals and organisms and plants out there
(04:07):
that do stretch the limit a little a little further.
For instance, there's there the so called resurrection plants. Uh.
Sometimes they go by the name resurrection plant rose of
Jericho uh simpera viva, meaning everlasting, and they are especially
good at anhydrobiosis, so they enter a dry, dormant state
between the rain, between rain seasons that may last years.
(04:30):
And elsewhere in the plant Kingdom, we've seen lotus seeds
that have germinated successfully after a millennium in the dust. Yeah,
that's what's so amazing about these resurrection plants is that
they could go for you know, years and years and years,
and when it finally rains, then they sort of flower
out and they absorb all of that rain. So it
(04:50):
is this rehydration process that's amazing to me. And then
we have nematode worms. Yeah, nematode worms are are also
capable of this and actually a number of multicellular animals
are known to uh to bounce back after this extended
period of dryness. Also, our friends the water bears. Yes,
(05:12):
I love these guys. They're about a millimeter long, their arthropods,
and they're found usually in moist places like moss and lychen,
but they can survive anywhere. Yeah, and we will, we
will definitely come back and do a full episode on
water bears at some point. In the future because they're
just too cool. Yeah. They can withstand temperatures ranging from
nearly absolute zero to above the boiling point of water.
(05:32):
They can hold up to massive doses of radiation as
as NASA has found out um over a century, over
a century without food or water, and they can even
exist in the vacuum of space. And to top it
all off, they're kind of cute. They they are kind
of cuddly looking, and they don't really quite look like
a bear. I guess they look as as much like
a bear as anything on that scale is going to
(05:52):
look like a bear. They just chubby, little cute things.
And they also have the awesomeness of an hydrobiosis. All right,
so what you're saying, Well, those are plants. Those are
some tiny animals. But but what about the the human body?
Is there any science, any natural world science that can
explain the unnatural resurrection of a dried out mummy. Well
(06:13):
we're gonna take a quick break and when we come
back we will discuss just that. Okay, we're back, and
we're talking about whether or not those mummies that we're
seeing in news footage, if if they are just walk
around because of anihydrobiosis or if it's some sort of
(06:35):
DARPA experiment gone wrong. Yeah, it's the thing about humans
and an anhydrobiosis. The the reason that our examples involved
very small animals and plant tissue is because there's a
great deal of desiccation damage that it can occur to
a tissue when it's dried out, even if it's you know,
expertly dried out, so that even it's not just a
(06:58):
simple matter of takeaway water and then add water back. Uh,
there are a number of other things that have to
be in play for that to be possible. That's right.
There is a paper called ana hydro Biotic Potential in
Man Implications in Medicine which was published in Medical Hypotheses
by Pereira and Locus sent Us. Yes, Brazilian researchers who
(07:20):
believe that that that the anhydrobiosis is potentially an area
that we that we might exploit in order to preserve tissues.
Not so. I mean, we can you can get really
sci fi about it and imagine mummies being sent to
other planets, uh to colonize it and build space pyramids.
But for the most part they're interested in terms of uh,
(07:41):
we have donor organs wouldn't be to dry those out,
store those in in this in this this dry setting,
and then add water and implant them as needed. Now, yeah,
that this is their idea behind all this, that mammals
and humans have a cryptic ani hydrobiotic ability, which they
say has not been discovered yet because of an unknown
specific preconditioning stage that is necessary. They're saying it's there,
(08:03):
we sh haven't discovered it, and if we can, then
it could be a huge boon to the way that
we um operate on a medical level. Now, research blogger
aiden or Sten has called out a few problems with
this hypothesis. So that might make you feel a little
bit better about the mummies you see in the street.
I don't know, he says. First, and a hydrobiotic survival
is advantageous only if a species lives in a habitat
(08:26):
that is periodically desiccated, meaning dehydrated, and if the species
has no means of surviving the dry period, So he says,
with a few exceptions, and a hydrobiosis is normally seen
in microscopic animals and he's just larger animals, especially most humans,
UM can deal with the drying of our habitats by
migrating to a wetter habitat, or preventing body loss from
(08:49):
or or preventing water loss from their bodies. The second problem,
he says, is that it's really unlikely that the ability
to survive and anihydro biosis will be retained if there's
no need for it. Yeah, like, why keep that special
feature around in an organism if there's no benefit to it, Right,
That's exactly the saying. If a trait becomes unnecessary, it
may persist, be lost, or become a vestige. But really
(09:12):
there's probably not this ability to reconstitute our organs unless
there's magic involved, which is probably the case with these
these these mummies. They're there, So what's happening here? You know,
they're they're roaming the street. They're forcibly removing our brains
with coat hangers in some cases. And we can only
assume that what's happening is atmospheric moisture raises them from
(09:33):
their slumber in search of life giving water and you know,
a little little BC style vengeance, So you think it's
some equal parts reconstitution with the mummy's curse. They're trying
to avenge the people who have put men plexiglass and
stared at them. Yeah, because they're they're They're not supposed
to be waking up in a Baltimore mar museum or
a German attic. They're supposed to be waking up in
(09:53):
the afterlife, or at least wake up in their tombs
with all their stuff still there. But they're on the
other side of the globe. You're right, No, it's it's
it's that's upsetting, and the violence is understanding, particularly the
Egyptian mummies, right, because they really bought into this idea
of the afterlife is a beautiful thing, not necessarily a
scary thing like we do more in our modern day
accounts of the afterlife. All right, Well, let's move on
(10:17):
to another organism, uh that you may encounter this Halloween,
another creature of the unnatural world that we can discuss
with examples from the natural world, and that of course,
is the troll. Now you you you originate from Michigan,
from the Northern United States? Do you have trolls in Michigan? Well,
(10:37):
not that I know of, But I have to rethink
some of the terrain because I was looking at Oslo
born Folkloi's lie Luna Larsen, who lives in Minnesota, and
she's the author of The Troll with No Heart in
His Body, And she says that troll remains are found
all over the place in Minnesota, which makes you really
want to go back to Michigan and check this out.
She says that if you look at piles of rocks
(10:59):
that could be burst trolls, and we'll talk more about that,
gnarled tree roots are especially prevalent, and those are ancient trolls,
and then strange land formations that could be actually the
supine troll bodies, so you could actually see perhaps some
of the vertebra of that troll worked into the landscapes.
Is there everywhere, We're just not looking for him. Well yeah,
(11:22):
and it makes me want to go on like the
troll Tour of Minnesota. They if anybody is listening in
Minnesota and you guys need a boost there in your tourism,
you got to do that. Yeah, get on it. Yeah,
all right. So trolls are are interesting organisms. We start
looking at the different tales that that inform us about them. Um,
(11:43):
for instance, um, you know, we're all for mebe was
sort of the idea of a grotesque culking troll. Uh,
this monstrous ogre like beasts. But did you know that,
according to some accounts, Uh, the troll wives are sometimes
beautiful redheads. I've heard about this. In fact, I think
that you did a blog post about this, warning people
of this, and you are actually had a reference picture
(12:04):
of Christina Hendrix. Yes, she might be a troll wife. Uh.
You know, she looks beautiful, she looks human, she's got
red hair, right, But if you approach her then a
large male troll might attack you. You know what I
love about this trope is that it perfectly plays into
the old trope of the hooker with the john and
the pimp. Yah. Yeah, you know, you learn a customer
(12:25):
and then in the customer's wall it gets stolen. It's
sort of the same thing with these trolls. Yeah. And
if if we're to try and understand this scenario, because
ultimately we're talking about another species in which one gender
of the species looks like a gender of our species,
that it seems kind of crazy, But we see similar
situations in the natural world, and we call it aggressive mimicry. Uh,
(12:46):
not unlike that practiced by a female of Photinus fireflies.
They mimic the mating dances of Photinas ignitius fireflies, and
they lure them end and then devour them. So the
fam female role may appear as a beautiful woman as
a means of attracting male humans which they're mini folk
than you know, brutalize and or eat. Yeah, and now
(13:09):
a less aggressive act. Of course, you can look at
the viceroy butterflies, which actually mimic the same color and
pattering of the monarch butterflies, which are toxic. Um. Of
course we don't have any luring in here, but you
see all these examples in nature where uh, creatures can
sort of morph a little bit, or they can mimic
in order to either survive or attack. Yeah, the African
(13:32):
swallowtail butterfly actually has like several different female morphs that
exist within the specie. There's some that that that look
like another butterfly species. There are some that look more
like there are more masculine in appearance. Um, it's I
think an all told, they're fourteen different varieties of morphs
in that particular species is pretty amazing, it really is.
(13:53):
I mean, can you imagine being able to morph into
something like fourteen different looks for yourself, fourteen different variety
of of of female like morpho, morphologically distinct. It's it's
it's pretty crazy. But in the insect world, you quickly
find that what seems crazy in the human world, what
something that is the stuff of folk tales in the
human world, is just everyday life in the insect world, right,
(14:15):
And it makes that troll, the female troll masquerading as
Christina Hendrix, seems really sort of like pretty you know,
one oh one comparison. All Right, we're gonna take a
quick break and when we get back, we're going to
talk about the troll Hunter documentary. Hey, we're back. So
(14:38):
we're talking about trolls. We're talking about the ways that
we can look to the natural world to understand the
denizens of the unnatural world. And so with trolls, who
probably you know, most people are not that familiar with
the whole troll life situation. But but far more likely
you know, that sunlight will turn them to stone. Yeah,
these are subterranean creatures. They cannot be out in daylight.
(15:00):
There are a couple of different theories that were put forward,
and we have seen some of the effects of them
actually exposed to light. And I say that documentary Troll
Hunter from and this was dealing with the Norwegian trolls,
the jott Ners, the wringlefinches, and the Tussa lad as
well as the mountain Kings. Yeah. According to the film,
the noncturnal troll cannot convert vitamin D, which you know
(15:24):
most of us in the daylit world received from sunlight.
They can't convert that into calcium. So when the troll
absorbs vitamin D from direct sunlight or UV rays, their
bodies rapidly suffer from acute vitamin D toxicity or we
also call this hyper vitamin osis D. And we see
this in humans, right, Yeah, this is in the natural world.
This is an actual real thing. Um. The causes are
(15:47):
typically you're looking at an excess of vitamin D that
abnormally boost levels of calcium in the blood. It can
severy severely damaged bone, soft tissues and kidneys over time,
and it's almost always caused by forms of vitamin D
need a doctor's prescription. So generally what's happening is you're
taking too much vitamin D is a supplement and you're
experiencing uh stuff like you know, these symptoms, but also constipation,
(16:09):
decrease appetite, et cetera. And generally the way you fix
it is you stop taking all that extra vitamin D. Now,
we don't know about the constipation and trolls, but we
do know that in younger trolls, the excess vitamin D
causes an intense and painful build up for gas in
its stomach and veins, and this results in a full
body fragmentation. In other words, they explode, floating troll all
(16:32):
over the place. Now, in the older trolls, though, according
to the troll Hunter, the veins are too constricted. They
cause the expansion to occur in the creatures bones, and
this reaction causes the creatures entire body to calcify, to
turn into stone, to use the language of folklore. Yes,
now this is all all good and well, um, but
(16:52):
they are roaming among us, so it's something to look
out for, especially the Christina Hendrix of them. Yeah, watch
out for the for the for the troll wives. Um.
And you know you mentioned a wife slop, when I
wonder if we're gonna know they have wife slop. Sure
they have celebrity wife slop. Have they considered troll wife
swop as a television show. I'm sure you've seen some
of the buzz on the Internet that there's been some
(17:14):
theories put forth that there have been troll wives on
their already and we just didn't know it because again
they're aggressive mimicry. Well, that's gonna make my rewatching of
those series all all the more interesting now. Yeah, so
you know you've got your mummy friends out there. We
should treat them kindly because again, they didn't want to
be something that we just glcked at in museums or
(17:34):
as you say, in German attics. And uh, we have
learned a lot from from mummies. I mean we've been
able to look at their DNA and look at disease.
We've been able to to even look at their diets.
You know. So they've given us a lot. We need
to give them a hand that their gifts to science
and gifts to archaeology, even as they sometimes strangle archaeologists
(17:54):
and scientists. Trolls, on the other hand, as we know,
just on the Internet, they're there to be avoided. They're
not given us much. Yeah, I don't know why so
many of them have Internet connections, I mean, because they're
under bridges, even like if they're using wireless, it's got
to disrupt your signal a bit. You know. These these
are things that we should probably look at certain corporations
and begin to ask them questions about why they're able
(18:17):
to have access. Why are you granting internet access to trolls,
to nocternal monsters, something that we could uncoverag they're probably
sending the wives into the store to get them. That's
my bet. That's the other perk of that kind of mimicry,
because you can you then use the wife that appears
human to infiltrate uh, you know, human systems. Wow, this
is yeah. I mean I I I'm telling you, I
(18:40):
was about to say, as a woman, I would never say,
don't trust another woman. I'm gonna look twice next time.
But I exit that office store and I look at
my my female co workers because possibly they could be
exhibiting this aggressive mimicry. Ladder milk. All right, Well there
you go, um, a couple of unnatural creatures that we
(19:02):
are looking at through the guise of natural science. So
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particularly mummies, and the possible science behind them, as explored
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Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your
my My My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie. Uh,
it's Halloween. Uh. There are a lot of issues that
one needs to be familiar with. You know, you need
to be be careful out there as your trick or treating.
(00:25):
Be careful of the cars that are driving around. If
you're driving, be careful of tricker treaters, and of course
be careful of the walking dead, particularly uh, the ancient
Egyptian mummies that may stir to lie in their very
museums throughout the world and then start walking the streets
because they tend to be they tend to be understandably
piste off. Before we go to the undead roaming around us,
(00:47):
I do want to point out, do not eat this
popcorn balls or candied apples, alright, folks, if it's not prepackaged,
don't put in your mouth because it might have a
spider in it. Well, there have been reasonably showing up
and stuff like those people are really people real, yeah,
all right, but let's get to the real right here,
because that's just sort of a sidebar, let's talk about
the debt. Yes, so the ongoing mummy crisis. So have
(01:10):
most of you familiar with this, You've got you know,
word of it on NPR, what have you. Uh? So
you have these dried up bodies. They were once the
honored dead of ancient Egypt, especially prepared for a journey
into the afterlife. And uh. And you can imagine they're thinking,
you know, when they lay down for their final rest,
they think they're gonna wake up in the second Aaru,
the fields of Russias. So they're gonna be on this
(01:32):
we on this fabricous journey into the afterlife where they
have all these magical powers and uh. And they can
sort of warp the world to their to their desires.
But instead they're waking up in like a Baltimore museum
or in some German grandfather's attic, and they're upset. Yeah,
they're they're in plexiglass. People are taking pictures of them. Yeah,
So what's happening here? Why are the ancient ancient Egyptian
(01:56):
mummies coming back to life? Well to understand and this,
we have to talk about something that exists, uh, not
only in the unnatural world of walking dead, but in
the natural world of actual organisms, and that of course
is an hydrobiosis. That's right. Before we get to anhydro biosis.
Let me just mention though, that that the way that
(02:17):
mummies were prepared really has a lot to do with this,
with the way that they were sort of reconstituted, and
as we know it um when we look at the
Egyptian mummification process, it's a pretty amazing thing that they did,
given that none of this was written down as far
as we know, but we do know that after the
lights were sort of shut out in the brain, that
the Egyptians would actually remove all internal organs from the body,
(02:39):
sometimes keeping the heart intact, and then the body was
salted for thirty days in order to remove the moisture
from the body. And then they had all sorts of
perfumed oils and resins put on their skin, and they
were wrapped several several several times. If they were super
fancy royal people, then they got the sarcophagus or they
got you some sort of painted face. So just keep
(03:00):
that in mind when we talk about this idea of
an hydrobiosis and some of the mummies that we see
out there on the street. Yes. Uh, an hydrobiosis means
life without water, and it is a state of actual
suspended animation in a dry meadow biologic condition. In other words,
the specimen survives without water and without undergoing metamorphosis for
(03:22):
an extended period of time. Now we can look at
the year seventeen o two, the father of microbiology, Anthony
van Lewin Hook, who discovered that when dry and lifeless
dust or what looked to be lifeless dust from a
gutter roof which we rehydrated with clean water, small as
he calls it, amcules became active within an hour, variously
(03:45):
adhering to the glass, sometimes creeping along it, and sometimes
swimming about. So those were some of our first cues
about this process. Yeah, and we we see various examples
of this in the natural world. For instance, if you've
ever ordered a pack of sea monkeys, you've you've seen
I've seen this. Now sea monkeys will not last in
a package for ten thousand years. But uh, there are
there are other animals and organisms and plants out there
(04:07):
that do stretch the limit a little a little further.
For instance, there's there the so called resurrection plants. Uh.
Sometimes they go by the name resurrection plant rose of
Jericho uh simpera viva, meaning everlasting, and they are especially
good at anhydrobiosis, so they enter a dry, dormant state
between the rain, between rain seasons that may last years.
(04:30):
And elsewhere in the plant Kingdom, we've seen lotus seeds
that have germinated successfully after a millennium in the dust. Yeah,
that's what's so amazing about these resurrection plants is that
they could go for you know, years and years and years,
and when it finally rains, then they sort of flower
out and they absorb all of that rain. So it
(04:50):
is this rehydration process that's amazing to me. And then
we have nematode worms. Yeah, nematode worms are are also
capable of this and actually a number of multicellular animals
are known to uh to bounce back after this extended
period of dryness. Also, our friends the water bears. Yes,
(05:12):
I love these guys. They're about a millimeter long, their arthropods,
and they're found usually in moist places like moss and lychen,
but they can survive anywhere. Yeah, and we will, we
will definitely come back and do a full episode on
water bears at some point. In the future because they're
just too cool. Yeah. They can withstand temperatures ranging from
nearly absolute zero to above the boiling point of water.
(05:32):
They can hold up to massive doses of radiation as
as NASA has found out um over a century, over
a century without food or water, and they can even
exist in the vacuum of space. And to top it
all off, they're kind of cute. They they are kind
of cuddly looking, and they don't really quite look like
a bear. I guess they look as as much like
a bear as anything on that scale is going to
(05:52):
look like a bear. They just chubby, little cute things.
And they also have the awesomeness of an hydrobiosis. All right,
so what you're saying, Well, those are plants. Those are
some tiny animals. But but what about the the human body?
Is there any science, any natural world science that can
explain the unnatural resurrection of a dried out mummy. Well
(06:13):
we're gonna take a quick break and when we come
back we will discuss just that. Okay, we're back, and
we're talking about whether or not those mummies that we're
seeing in news footage, if if they are just walk
around because of anihydrobiosis or if it's some sort of
(06:35):
DARPA experiment gone wrong. Yeah, it's the thing about humans
and an anhydrobiosis. The the reason that our examples involved
very small animals and plant tissue is because there's a
great deal of desiccation damage that it can occur to
a tissue when it's dried out, even if it's you know,
expertly dried out, so that even it's not just a
(06:58):
simple matter of takeaway water and then add water back. Uh,
there are a number of other things that have to
be in play for that to be possible. That's right.
There is a paper called ana hydro Biotic Potential in
Man Implications in Medicine which was published in Medical Hypotheses
by Pereira and Locus sent Us. Yes, Brazilian researchers who
(07:20):
believe that that that the anhydrobiosis is potentially an area
that we that we might exploit in order to preserve tissues.
Not so. I mean, we can you can get really
sci fi about it and imagine mummies being sent to
other planets, uh to colonize it and build space pyramids.
But for the most part they're interested in terms of uh,
(07:41):
we have donor organs wouldn't be to dry those out,
store those in in this in this this dry setting,
and then add water and implant them as needed. Now, yeah,
that this is their idea behind all this, that mammals
and humans have a cryptic ani hydrobiotic ability, which they
say has not been discovered yet because of an unknown
specific preconditioning stage that is necessary. They're saying it's there,
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we sh haven't discovered it, and if we can, then
it could be a huge boon to the way that
we um operate on a medical level. Now, research blogger
aiden or Sten has called out a few problems with
this hypothesis. So that might make you feel a little
bit better about the mummies you see in the street.
I don't know, he says. First, and a hydrobiotic survival
is advantageous only if a species lives in a habitat
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that is periodically desiccated, meaning dehydrated, and if the species
has no means of surviving the dry period, So he says,
with a few exceptions, and a hydrobiosis is normally seen
in microscopic animals and he's just larger animals, especially most humans,
UM can deal with the drying of our habitats by
migrating to a wetter habitat, or preventing body loss from
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or or preventing water loss from their bodies. The second problem,
he says, is that it's really unlikely that the ability
to survive and anihydro biosis will be retained if there's
no need for it. Yeah, like, why keep that special
feature around in an organism if there's no benefit to it, Right,
That's exactly the saying. If a trait becomes unnecessary, it
may persist, be lost, or become a vestige. But really
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there's probably not this ability to reconstitute our organs unless
there's magic involved, which is probably the case with these
these these mummies. They're there, So what's happening here? You know,
they're they're roaming the street. They're forcibly removing our brains
with coat hangers in some cases. And we can only
assume that what's happening is atmospheric moisture raises them from
(09:33):
their slumber in search of life giving water and you know,
a little little BC style vengeance, So you think it's
some equal parts reconstitution with the mummy's curse. They're trying
to avenge the people who have put men plexiglass and
stared at them. Yeah, because they're they're They're not supposed
to be waking up in a Baltimore mar museum or
a German attic. They're supposed to be waking up in
(09:53):
the afterlife, or at least wake up in their tombs
with all their stuff still there. But they're on the
other side of the globe. You're right, No, it's it's
it's that's upsetting, and the violence is understanding, particularly the
Egyptian mummies, right, because they really bought into this idea
of the afterlife is a beautiful thing, not necessarily a
scary thing like we do more in our modern day
accounts of the afterlife. All right, Well, let's move on
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to another organism, uh that you may encounter this Halloween,
another creature of the unnatural world that we can discuss
with examples from the natural world, and that of course,
is the troll. Now you you you originate from Michigan,
from the Northern United States? Do you have trolls in Michigan? Well,
(10:37):
not that I know of, But I have to rethink
some of the terrain because I was looking at Oslo
born Folkloi's lie Luna Larsen, who lives in Minnesota, and
she's the author of The Troll with No Heart in
His Body, And she says that troll remains are found
all over the place in Minnesota, which makes you really
want to go back to Michigan and check this out.
She says that if you look at piles of rocks
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that could be burst trolls, and we'll talk more about that,
gnarled tree roots are especially prevalent, and those are ancient trolls,
and then strange land formations that could be actually the
supine troll bodies, so you could actually see perhaps some
of the vertebra of that troll worked into the landscapes.
Is there everywhere, We're just not looking for him. Well yeah,
(11:22):
and it makes me want to go on like the
troll Tour of Minnesota. They if anybody is listening in
Minnesota and you guys need a boost there in your tourism,
you got to do that. Yeah, get on it. Yeah,
all right. So trolls are are interesting organisms. We start
looking at the different tales that that inform us about them. Um,
(11:43):
for instance, um, you know, we're all for mebe was
sort of the idea of a grotesque culking troll. Uh,
this monstrous ogre like beasts. But did you know that,
according to some accounts, Uh, the troll wives are sometimes
beautiful redheads. I've heard about this. In fact, I think
that you did a blog post about this, warning people
of this, and you are actually had a reference picture
(12:04):
of Christina Hendrix. Yes, she might be a troll wife. Uh.
You know, she looks beautiful, she looks human, she's got
red hair, right, But if you approach her then a
large male troll might attack you. You know what I
love about this trope is that it perfectly plays into
the old trope of the hooker with the john and
the pimp. Yah. Yeah, you know, you learn a customer
(12:25):
and then in the customer's wall it gets stolen. It's
sort of the same thing with these trolls. Yeah. And
if if we're to try and understand this scenario, because
ultimately we're talking about another species in which one gender
of the species looks like a gender of our species,
that it seems kind of crazy, But we see similar
situations in the natural world, and we call it aggressive mimicry. Uh,
(12:46):
not unlike that practiced by a female of Photinus fireflies.
They mimic the mating dances of Photinas ignitius fireflies, and
they lure them end and then devour them. So the
fam female role may appear as a beautiful woman as
a means of attracting male humans which they're mini folk
than you know, brutalize and or eat. Yeah, and now
(13:09):
a less aggressive act. Of course, you can look at
the viceroy butterflies, which actually mimic the same color and
pattering of the monarch butterflies, which are toxic. Um. Of
course we don't have any luring in here, but you
see all these examples in nature where uh, creatures can
sort of morph a little bit, or they can mimic
in order to either survive or attack. Yeah, the African
(13:32):
swallowtail butterfly actually has like several different female morphs that
exist within the specie. There's some that that that look
like another butterfly species. There are some that look more
like there are more masculine in appearance. Um, it's I
think an all told, they're fourteen different varieties of morphs
in that particular species is pretty amazing, it really is.
(13:53):
I mean, can you imagine being able to morph into
something like fourteen different looks for yourself, fourteen different variety
of of of female like morpho, morphologically distinct. It's it's
it's pretty crazy. But in the insect world, you quickly
find that what seems crazy in the human world, what
something that is the stuff of folk tales in the
human world, is just everyday life in the insect world, right,
(14:15):
And it makes that troll, the female troll masquerading as
Christina Hendrix, seems really sort of like pretty you know,
one oh one comparison. All Right, we're gonna take a
quick break and when we get back, we're going to
talk about the troll Hunter documentary. Hey, we're back. So
(14:38):
we're talking about trolls. We're talking about the ways that
we can look to the natural world to understand the
denizens of the unnatural world. And so with trolls, who
probably you know, most people are not that familiar with
the whole troll life situation. But but far more likely
you know, that sunlight will turn them to stone. Yeah,
these are subterranean creatures. They cannot be out in daylight.
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There are a couple of different theories that were put forward,
and we have seen some of the effects of them
actually exposed to light. And I say that documentary Troll
Hunter from and this was dealing with the Norwegian trolls,
the jott Ners, the wringlefinches, and the Tussa lad as
well as the mountain Kings. Yeah. According to the film,
the noncturnal troll cannot convert vitamin D, which you know
(15:24):
most of us in the daylit world received from sunlight.
They can't convert that into calcium. So when the troll
absorbs vitamin D from direct sunlight or UV rays, their
bodies rapidly suffer from acute vitamin D toxicity or we
also call this hyper vitamin osis D. And we see
this in humans, right, Yeah, this is in the natural world.
This is an actual real thing. Um. The causes are
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typically you're looking at an excess of vitamin D that
abnormally boost levels of calcium in the blood. It can
severy severely damaged bone, soft tissues and kidneys over time,
and it's almost always caused by forms of vitamin D
need a doctor's prescription. So generally what's happening is you're
taking too much vitamin D is a supplement and you're
experiencing uh stuff like you know, these symptoms, but also constipation,
(16:09):
decrease appetite, et cetera. And generally the way you fix
it is you stop taking all that extra vitamin D. Now,
we don't know about the constipation and trolls, but we
do know that in younger trolls, the excess vitamin D
causes an intense and painful build up for gas in
its stomach and veins, and this results in a full
body fragmentation. In other words, they explode, floating troll all
(16:32):
over the place. Now, in the older trolls, though, according
to the troll Hunter, the veins are too constricted. They
cause the expansion to occur in the creatures bones, and
this reaction causes the creatures entire body to calcify, to
turn into stone, to use the language of folklore. Yes,
now this is all all good and well, um, but
(16:52):
they are roaming among us, so it's something to look
out for, especially the Christina Hendrix of them. Yeah, watch
out for the for the for the troll wives. Um.
And you know you mentioned a wife slop, when I
wonder if we're gonna know they have wife slop. Sure
they have celebrity wife slop. Have they considered troll wife
swop as a television show. I'm sure you've seen some
of the buzz on the Internet that there's been some
(17:14):
theories put forth that there have been troll wives on
their already and we just didn't know it because again
they're aggressive mimicry. Well, that's gonna make my rewatching of
those series all all the more interesting now. Yeah, so
you know you've got your mummy friends out there. We
should treat them kindly because again, they didn't want to
be something that we just glcked at in museums or
(17:34):
as you say, in German attics. And uh, we have
learned a lot from from mummies. I mean we've been
able to look at their DNA and look at disease.
We've been able to to even look at their diets.
You know. So they've given us a lot. We need
to give them a hand that their gifts to science
and gifts to archaeology, even as they sometimes strangle archaeologists
(17:54):
and scientists. Trolls, on the other hand, as we know,
just on the Internet, they're there to be avoided. They're
not given us much. Yeah, I don't know why so
many of them have Internet connections, I mean, because they're
under bridges, even like if they're using wireless, it's got
to disrupt your signal a bit. You know. These these
are things that we should probably look at certain corporations
and begin to ask them questions about why they're able
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to have access. Why are you granting internet access to trolls,
to nocternal monsters, something that we could uncoverag they're probably
sending the wives into the store to get them. That's
my bet. That's the other perk of that kind of mimicry,
because you can you then use the wife that appears
human to infiltrate uh, you know, human systems. Wow, this
is yeah. I mean I I I'm telling you, I
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was about to say, as a woman, I would never say,
don't trust another woman. I'm gonna look twice next time.
But I exit that office store and I look at
my my female co workers because possibly they could be
exhibiting this aggressive mimicry. Ladder milk. All right, Well there
you go, um, a couple of unnatural creatures that we
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are looking at through the guise of natural science. So
let us know what you think about all that, particularly trolls,
particularly mummies, and the possible science behind them, as explored
in various bits of media. We'd love to hear from
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