October 4, 2024 • 19 mins
Holly shares a story that appeared in a U.S. newspaper about Wawel that she was never able to substantiate. Tracy talks about wanting to cover animal trials while also not wanting to get too gory.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I am Holly Frye
and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about vavel and
Poland this week. Yeah, Okay. There was a lot of
(00:22):
stuff that didn't make it into the episode because it
is so broad you can't hit it all. But there
was one thing that I found while I was researching,
and I searched forever and ever and never found any
additional substantiation of this story, but it fascinated me. This
is a story that appeared in the Buffalo News in
(00:42):
January of nineteen fourteen. Okay, so this is the story
that that told I'm not quoting it directly, but at
the end of the eighteenth century, according to this story,
so between the years of seventeen ninety two and seventeen
ninety eight, somewhere in there, the crown and staff that
had been part of the world tradition in Vovol as
part of their coronations had vanished, and these bejeweled items
(01:05):
had been worn all the way back to King Kasimir
the Third, who was also known as Kasimir the Great.
He ruled from thirteen thirty three to thirteen seventy, and
then every subsequent ruler also wore these as part of
their coronation ceremonies, and the rumor regarding their disappearance was
that in those years which were very turbulent of the
seventeen nineties, they were purposely buried at the base of
(01:29):
an elm tree on the edge of the castle property.
And this Buffalo news story in nineteen fourteen reported that
there was a surprising development regarding the missing crown, and
in this it said that a particularly severe group of
storms had passed through Krakov in January that year, and
several trees were uprooted, and one of them held in
(01:50):
the tangle of its roots the missing crown. This is
such a great story. I couldn't find substantiation of it
anywhere else. So I have one thing. I don't know
if this is a case where I just couldn't find
it because it was reported primarily in Polish and didn't
make it to the US anywhere else, or if it's
a case of something got jumbled in translation and nobody
(02:14):
else was reporting it in quite the same way. And
in that case, I don't know if this would be
the correct version or another, or if, as sometimes happened,
some journalists made up the whole thing from whole cloth
to fill a column of a paper. I don't know
what happened here. Wow, it's pretty interesting though, Yeah, and
(02:35):
I love it as a story. It's a great news story.
The other thing that I wanted to make sure to
mention is that seventeen ninety one constitution that was ultimately
struck down, but it is considered by historians to be
just an incredibly important document. It was, you know, super revolutionary.
(02:56):
It created this new political nation that combined you know,
the culture of Poland, which we talked about, like even
as they were being carved up, the people of Poland
were really really dedicated to maintaining their traditions and not
getting lost in the other countries they had become part of.
(03:19):
And so this document kind of combines that Polish sense
of cultural identity with like these ideas of enlightenment that
were very popular at the time in it, like dynasties
were going to be elected rather than single people, and
so that would sort of create this interesting thing. It's
a really really interesting document. Like some of the specificity
(03:41):
to it, we mentioned that, like the whole idea was
that it was going to streamline government and they were
going to you know, make Poland stronger. And it calls
for an army of one hundred thousand to be created,
some of the royal municipalities would get their autonomy back,
and the the peasantry would then fall under better protections
(04:03):
of the law. It's a really interesting document and so
there has been a lot of study of it and
writing about it in the interim. Even though it's kind
of a brief mention in our episode, I wanted to
make sure I called it out so that if anybody
is interested in an idea like this of a revolutionary constitution,
it's worth going and looking up because it really does
(04:25):
kind of take into account some interesting ideology that you know,
we don't hear about a lot when we're talking about
history and governments being reorbered. It sounds almost in some
ways more like a I mean, it is very much
a government document, but some aspects of it sound almost
like you know, the drafts that we have talked about
(04:48):
of you know, Utopia's being formed. Sure, so it's kind
of cool. Yeah, Poland, Poland, you've been through so much,
I mean, many countries have, but I feel like Poland
is really taken a lot of hits over the century.
So I'm, as I said, very eager to visit Poland
one day. I love Polish food. I mean, I feel
(05:10):
like I say that about every food culture we come
up against. But here's she on me stuff everywhere. That's
my that's my experience, that's true. I literally cannot get
over how beautiful some of the pictures of the exhibits
of vovol are like where my brain is just like,
there's more gold in that room than should be in
any room. Ever, Like I don't it's I mean, some
of them are on par with stuff we've seen, like
(05:31):
at the Vatican Museums in terms of just opulence and
extraordinary design, and I yearned to go put my own
actual eyeballs on them instead of through a screen. Fingers crossed.
(05:52):
This week, we talked about animal trials in the medieval
and early modern era. I've had this list for a
long time. It's on my list for a long time,
and it just really took me a while to figure
out how I wanted to approach it without it just
being too gory, because some of the ones that involved
(06:15):
animals being sentenced to execution. Some of them are pretty gruesome,
both in terms of like what the animal was on
trial for the execution itself, and I was like, I
don't want to like shy away from the fact that
it could be really cruel and violent, but I also
don't want to have so much gory detail that the
(06:37):
episode is just like viscerally upsetting, right, So it took
me a while to kind of think through how to
approach that. One of the things that this made me
think about is the difference between a lawyer believing that
their client is innocent and the lawyering that everyone deserves
(07:02):
a fair trial with fair representation, right, And I wonder
how much that was involved in the thinking of the
people who represented animals in these trials. A lot of
it is kind of tricky because, like we don't fully
know how people were conceiving of animal intelligence and morality
(07:26):
and things like that. It's like, there are people who
did write about those kinds of things, but it's tricky
to know what common people really believed about stuff. And
some of the commentators on all this have pointed out
that some of these things happened in an era when
there was just a big increase and the number of
like fictional and poetic works that were basically about anthropomorphized animals,
(07:53):
and like, how did that relate to how people really
thought about animals? And a lot of it is not
fully clear anyway, things that I'm curious about. I have
so many thoughts on this. I found myself wondering about
an alternate to all of this, like an explanation in
terms of the defense lawyer, if this wasn't sort of
(08:15):
like a test of the lawyer. Sure, especially because you
know in the Chasnet story he ended up very famous
after that, And it's kind of like, is this a
case where you're giving a lawyer a situation where they
have to defend the indefensible and see if they can
(08:35):
actually put together a case file that offers up some
legitimate defense or ways to get through the law. Because
after that, I imagine anybody would go, this guy got
the rats off, like I want him for my lawyer,
which is just interesting to me. I have not seen
(08:57):
this movie starring Colin Firth that came out in nineteen
ninety three. I think it is available streaming somewhere, and
I did think about maybe finding it and watching it
over the Weekend. I did not actually do that, but
from just watching a trailer of it, I got the
impression that that was sort of one of the things.
(09:19):
Part of the interpretation of that movie was sort of like,
how is this person going to pull this off? What
will that mean? Yeah, their you know, recognition of their
skill as a lawyer, a defense lawyer in particular. Yeah.
I also have many theories about that rooster eggs or
not even theories, many feelings and thoughts about the rooster
(09:40):
egg situation. Okay, because you know, there is a thing
called spontaneous sex reversal that happens in chickens. I did
not know this. Oh one, some hens will grow just
by random genetic you know, doings like a larger comb
than average or whatever, and they will be misidentified. But
so my understanding is that in some hens, depending on
(10:04):
like developmentally, what happens with their ovaries, they like a
latent ovary can actually result in them kind of developing
male characteristics, but that they can then reverse. So like
it's a rooster, if they're a true rooster, is never
going to have the plumbing to make an egg happen. Sure,
(10:28):
so in this case, it had to have been a
hen that was misidentified or had you know, sex expressive
traits that were not accurate or that were you know,
almost ambiguous in their case. I mean we you know,
we know about animals having spectrums of their their biological sex. Yeah,
it happens all the time. So I'm like, those people
(10:51):
just didn't know science could have saved that rooster, which
I'm saying with air. Yes, I also had the question
of Okay, did someone see this bird lay an egg
or was the bird just near an egg? And somebody
was like, uh oh this is not okay, also possible. Yeah,
(11:15):
it's all very wild to me. I still, I mean,
I'm still hung up on you know, the rats can't
read your legal document, right, I don't, And if you
read it to them, they don't know. They don't speak
English or whatever language it is that you're speaking. I mean,
they may understand some basics, they understand anger, but yeah,
(11:35):
I mean it's so that's where I'm like, what makes
you think that these animals can understand your directives? Yeah, termites,
they don't know. Some of the articles that I read
about all of this were definitely written from an animal
rights perspective and framed these trials as like barbarous basically uh,
(12:01):
and then other things that I read about it more
asked the question of like, would you say that it's
any better now where if, just as an example, a
dog attacks multiple people and someone makes the decision to
euthanize that dog, right, Like, is that better when there
(12:22):
has not been someone advocating for the dog? Right? As
just a totally example of you know, a thing that
does still happen today, And I was like, I honestly
don't know what the answer there is. Yeah, whether you
know it's if obviously these are not the only two
options of things that exist in the world, but if
(12:43):
option one is a trial proceeding in which an animal
does not actually have a concept of what is going on,
or just the end result with no process. Yeah, to
add a margin of levity to this whole thing, I
will tell you that I am happy in this moment
that my husband generally does not listen to our show.
(13:05):
Would you be very upset by this episode? No, but
I think he would like to run with the idea
and put the juro spiders in our yard on trial, okay,
or as I love them, but yeah, yeah, you know,
for anybody that doesn't know it's a Japanese spider. They've
gotten really, really prolific in Georgia in the last couple
(13:26):
of years. They're quite large, they scare people a lot,
They're harmless to people. It is an invasive species, but
we don't really know what that's gonna mean. But I
love them and I always name the ones that live
in our yard every year. Yeah, and I got I
was traveling this the past few days and I got
(13:48):
a text. This evolves a little set up. I apologize, fine,
as you know, as our listeners know, at this point,
we feed wild critters on our deck. Right, I put
out food for the crows and sometimes Rakoun's coming a
little bit and other birds. And the feed that I
put over the crows, I put in two ramikins that
sit on the railing of our deck. And if the
(14:10):
raccoons can, they knock those ramikins to the ground, and
we just, you know, every couple of days go and
collect the dropped ramikins and clean them and start the
process over. And I got a text from my husband
that there were some ramikins that had fallen, but he
is not going to go get them. And it's because
a spider has made her web in between the side
(14:32):
yard and where he would have to go at the
brink of the deck, and he's like, those ramikins are
just lost to time. Now. Yeah, they no more ramikins.
Too bad, I'll go get them. It's fine. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't dare tell him that. This morning, as I
looked up and looked around, I noticed that we have
some that are very very high up in the trees
(14:53):
above our heads. And they're beautiful and I love them.
But he doesn't want to know that they're over him.
So yeah, don't anybody tell my husband that they are spiders.
Buy up in the trees. Everybody be cool. I'll never
go outside again. You will never leave that out. He's
so much better than he like. He will tolerate them
because he knows I love them, but he doesn't like them.
(15:16):
And I mean, I can't fault him. Lots of people
don't like things. Sure, so yeah, but so far, Stella
is my favorite this year. She's on the deck. She
seems real cool. We'll see. I haven't named everybody else
because I haven't met them all yet. They arrived while
I was out of the country, and now I have
to go do my walk around to the yard and
see who's here and who's moved in, and do my
(15:39):
little welcome to the neighborhood discussion of the spiders. Yeah, yeah,
I love that. I have. One of the other sort
of trains of thought about these trials was that, like,
if you observe animals, it's clear that they are able to,
(16:02):
you know, to some extent, communicate with one another. They
have standards of behavior for themselves, Like I have two cats.
They know that when they are playing with each other
and they are wrestling, that that this is playtime and
they're not hurting each other, right, they know where those
(16:22):
limits are. Yeah, And so there's kind of of you know,
people were living a lot of people we're living in
closer proximity to more animals than we are today in
a lot of contexts like you and I both have
cats that live in the house with us, but we
aren't living in neighborhoods where everyone has a cow and
(16:47):
maybe a horse also, and like lots of other farm
type in quotation marks animals that are you know, part
of your life every day. And so there was a
sort of train of thought of like people were having
more contact with more animals and observing the way animals
interact with people and with each other. So maybe they
were just like, yeah, of course an animal could go
(17:09):
to court. They know how to behave like the cow. Nos,
it's really a compliment that we're putting you on trial. Yeah, yeah,
And it made me think about our efforts to teach
our cats to use little buttons to tell us what
they want, which is just proceeding in a comical way.
At my house, they have figured out if they delicately
(17:32):
paw at the treat button, I will give them a treat.
They have not figured out that they need to push
it hard enough for it to say the word treat.
And they also haven't really figured out that they can
just go over there and do that that like, they
don't need to be sort of invited. Hey, we're going
to work on buttons now. Also, strangely, Onyx is better
(17:56):
at it than Opal, and usually Opal is the one
who figures things out more than on it. Onyx has
reliably figured out that the thing that needs to be
touched is the button. Opal kind of thinks something needs
to be touched. Is it my finger though? Is it
my sister's head? Is it the mat, is it the floor?
What am I touching? You think? We will see. We
(18:16):
will see if they ever get the hang of it.
The entire reason we got these is because Onyx does
a little ritual where she tries she taps me on
the side to get my attention, and then she walks
in a circle and then she looks at me, and
I'm like, I don't You're trying to communicate something to
me and I don't know what it is. If I
haven't figured it out, I should summon her to a
(18:39):
hearing where maybe no, I don't think so, I will
just give her lots of pets and snuggles. It would
be like a cute hearing, like you were arraigning you
on overly cutosity and the defense doesn't look good. You're
too cute, it's a problem, and then your punishment is kisses. Yeah,
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you're sentences for pat centuries. So yeah, whatever's happening on
your weekend, I hope it's going to go as well
for you as it very possibly can. If you're having rest,
I hope it's RESTful. And if you're having work, I
hope it is productive and you know, goes the way
(19:21):
you want it to. Go and if it involves dealing
with people, I hope all the people are great to you.
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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I am Holly Frye
and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about vavel and
Poland this week. Yeah, Okay. There was a lot of
(00:22):
stuff that didn't make it into the episode because it
is so broad you can't hit it all. But there
was one thing that I found while I was researching,
and I searched forever and ever and never found any
additional substantiation of this story, but it fascinated me. This
is a story that appeared in the Buffalo News in
(00:42):
January of nineteen fourteen. Okay, so this is the story
that that told I'm not quoting it directly, but at
the end of the eighteenth century, according to this story,
so between the years of seventeen ninety two and seventeen
ninety eight, somewhere in there, the crown and staff that
had been part of the world tradition in Vovol as
part of their coronations had vanished, and these bejeweled items
(01:05):
had been worn all the way back to King Kasimir
the Third, who was also known as Kasimir the Great.
He ruled from thirteen thirty three to thirteen seventy, and
then every subsequent ruler also wore these as part of
their coronation ceremonies, and the rumor regarding their disappearance was
that in those years which were very turbulent of the
seventeen nineties, they were purposely buried at the base of
(01:29):
an elm tree on the edge of the castle property.
And this Buffalo news story in nineteen fourteen reported that
there was a surprising development regarding the missing crown, and
in this it said that a particularly severe group of
storms had passed through Krakov in January that year, and
several trees were uprooted, and one of them held in
(01:50):
the tangle of its roots the missing crown. This is
such a great story. I couldn't find substantiation of it
anywhere else. So I have one thing. I don't know
if this is a case where I just couldn't find
it because it was reported primarily in Polish and didn't
make it to the US anywhere else, or if it's
a case of something got jumbled in translation and nobody
(02:14):
else was reporting it in quite the same way. And
in that case, I don't know if this would be
the correct version or another, or if, as sometimes happened,
some journalists made up the whole thing from whole cloth
to fill a column of a paper. I don't know
what happened here. Wow, it's pretty interesting though, Yeah, and
(02:35):
I love it as a story. It's a great news story.
The other thing that I wanted to make sure to
mention is that seventeen ninety one constitution that was ultimately
struck down, but it is considered by historians to be
just an incredibly important document. It was, you know, super revolutionary.
(02:56):
It created this new political nation that combined you know,
the culture of Poland, which we talked about, like even
as they were being carved up, the people of Poland
were really really dedicated to maintaining their traditions and not
getting lost in the other countries they had become part of.
(03:19):
And so this document kind of combines that Polish sense
of cultural identity with like these ideas of enlightenment that
were very popular at the time in it, like dynasties
were going to be elected rather than single people, and
so that would sort of create this interesting thing. It's
a really really interesting document. Like some of the specificity
(03:41):
to it, we mentioned that, like the whole idea was
that it was going to streamline government and they were
going to you know, make Poland stronger. And it calls
for an army of one hundred thousand to be created,
some of the royal municipalities would get their autonomy back,
and the the peasantry would then fall under better protections
(04:03):
of the law. It's a really interesting document and so
there has been a lot of study of it and
writing about it in the interim. Even though it's kind
of a brief mention in our episode, I wanted to
make sure I called it out so that if anybody
is interested in an idea like this of a revolutionary constitution,
it's worth going and looking up because it really does
(04:25):
kind of take into account some interesting ideology that you know,
we don't hear about a lot when we're talking about
history and governments being reorbered. It sounds almost in some
ways more like a I mean, it is very much
a government document, but some aspects of it sound almost
like you know, the drafts that we have talked about
(04:48):
of you know, Utopia's being formed. Sure, so it's kind
of cool. Yeah, Poland, Poland, you've been through so much,
I mean, many countries have, but I feel like Poland
is really taken a lot of hits over the century.
So I'm, as I said, very eager to visit Poland
one day. I love Polish food. I mean, I feel
(05:10):
like I say that about every food culture we come
up against. But here's she on me stuff everywhere. That's
my that's my experience, that's true. I literally cannot get
over how beautiful some of the pictures of the exhibits
of vovol are like where my brain is just like,
there's more gold in that room than should be in
any room. Ever, Like I don't it's I mean, some
of them are on par with stuff we've seen, like
(05:31):
at the Vatican Museums in terms of just opulence and
extraordinary design, and I yearned to go put my own
actual eyeballs on them instead of through a screen. Fingers crossed.
(05:52):
This week, we talked about animal trials in the medieval
and early modern era. I've had this list for a
long time. It's on my list for a long time,
and it just really took me a while to figure
out how I wanted to approach it without it just
being too gory, because some of the ones that involved
(06:15):
animals being sentenced to execution. Some of them are pretty gruesome,
both in terms of like what the animal was on
trial for the execution itself, and I was like, I
don't want to like shy away from the fact that
it could be really cruel and violent, but I also
don't want to have so much gory detail that the
(06:37):
episode is just like viscerally upsetting, right, So it took
me a while to kind of think through how to
approach that. One of the things that this made me
think about is the difference between a lawyer believing that
their client is innocent and the lawyering that everyone deserves
(07:02):
a fair trial with fair representation, right, And I wonder
how much that was involved in the thinking of the
people who represented animals in these trials. A lot of
it is kind of tricky because, like we don't fully
know how people were conceiving of animal intelligence and morality
(07:26):
and things like that. It's like, there are people who
did write about those kinds of things, but it's tricky
to know what common people really believed about stuff. And
some of the commentators on all this have pointed out
that some of these things happened in an era when
there was just a big increase and the number of
like fictional and poetic works that were basically about anthropomorphized animals,
(07:53):
and like, how did that relate to how people really
thought about animals? And a lot of it is not
fully clear anyway, things that I'm curious about. I have
so many thoughts on this. I found myself wondering about
an alternate to all of this, like an explanation in
terms of the defense lawyer, if this wasn't sort of
(08:15):
like a test of the lawyer. Sure, especially because you
know in the Chasnet story he ended up very famous
after that, And it's kind of like, is this a
case where you're giving a lawyer a situation where they
have to defend the indefensible and see if they can
(08:35):
actually put together a case file that offers up some
legitimate defense or ways to get through the law. Because
after that, I imagine anybody would go, this guy got
the rats off, like I want him for my lawyer,
which is just interesting to me. I have not seen
(08:57):
this movie starring Colin Firth that came out in nineteen
ninety three. I think it is available streaming somewhere, and
I did think about maybe finding it and watching it
over the Weekend. I did not actually do that, but
from just watching a trailer of it, I got the
impression that that was sort of one of the things.
(09:19):
Part of the interpretation of that movie was sort of like,
how is this person going to pull this off? What
will that mean? Yeah, their you know, recognition of their
skill as a lawyer, a defense lawyer in particular. Yeah.
I also have many theories about that rooster eggs or
not even theories, many feelings and thoughts about the rooster
(09:40):
egg situation. Okay, because you know, there is a thing
called spontaneous sex reversal that happens in chickens. I did
not know this. Oh one, some hens will grow just
by random genetic you know, doings like a larger comb
than average or whatever, and they will be misidentified. But
so my understanding is that in some hens, depending on
(10:04):
like developmentally, what happens with their ovaries, they like a
latent ovary can actually result in them kind of developing
male characteristics, but that they can then reverse. So like
it's a rooster, if they're a true rooster, is never
going to have the plumbing to make an egg happen. Sure,
(10:28):
so in this case, it had to have been a
hen that was misidentified or had you know, sex expressive
traits that were not accurate or that were you know,
almost ambiguous in their case. I mean we you know,
we know about animals having spectrums of their their biological sex. Yeah,
it happens all the time. So I'm like, those people
(10:51):
just didn't know science could have saved that rooster, which
I'm saying with air. Yes, I also had the question
of Okay, did someone see this bird lay an egg
or was the bird just near an egg? And somebody
was like, uh oh this is not okay, also possible. Yeah,
(11:15):
it's all very wild to me. I still, I mean,
I'm still hung up on you know, the rats can't
read your legal document, right, I don't, And if you
read it to them, they don't know. They don't speak
English or whatever language it is that you're speaking. I mean,
they may understand some basics, they understand anger, but yeah,
(11:35):
I mean it's so that's where I'm like, what makes
you think that these animals can understand your directives? Yeah, termites,
they don't know. Some of the articles that I read
about all of this were definitely written from an animal
rights perspective and framed these trials as like barbarous basically uh,
(12:01):
and then other things that I read about it more
asked the question of like, would you say that it's
any better now where if, just as an example, a
dog attacks multiple people and someone makes the decision to
euthanize that dog, right, Like, is that better when there
(12:22):
has not been someone advocating for the dog? Right? As
just a totally example of you know, a thing that
does still happen today, And I was like, I honestly
don't know what the answer there is. Yeah, whether you
know it's if obviously these are not the only two
options of things that exist in the world, but if
(12:43):
option one is a trial proceeding in which an animal
does not actually have a concept of what is going on,
or just the end result with no process. Yeah, to
add a margin of levity to this whole thing, I
will tell you that I am happy in this moment
that my husband generally does not listen to our show.
(13:05):
Would you be very upset by this episode? No, but
I think he would like to run with the idea
and put the juro spiders in our yard on trial, okay,
or as I love them, but yeah, yeah, you know,
for anybody that doesn't know it's a Japanese spider. They've
gotten really, really prolific in Georgia in the last couple
(13:26):
of years. They're quite large, they scare people a lot,
They're harmless to people. It is an invasive species, but
we don't really know what that's gonna mean. But I
love them and I always name the ones that live
in our yard every year. Yeah, and I got I
was traveling this the past few days and I got
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a text. This evolves a little set up. I apologize, fine,
as you know, as our listeners know, at this point,
we feed wild critters on our deck. Right, I put
out food for the crows and sometimes Rakoun's coming a
little bit and other birds. And the feed that I
put over the crows, I put in two ramikins that
sit on the railing of our deck. And if the
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raccoons can, they knock those ramikins to the ground, and
we just, you know, every couple of days go and
collect the dropped ramikins and clean them and start the
process over. And I got a text from my husband
that there were some ramikins that had fallen, but he
is not going to go get them. And it's because
a spider has made her web in between the side
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yard and where he would have to go at the
brink of the deck, and he's like, those ramikins are
just lost to time. Now. Yeah, they no more ramikins.
Too bad, I'll go get them. It's fine. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't dare tell him that. This morning, as I
looked up and looked around, I noticed that we have
some that are very very high up in the trees
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above our heads. And they're beautiful and I love them.
But he doesn't want to know that they're over him.
So yeah, don't anybody tell my husband that they are spiders.
Buy up in the trees. Everybody be cool. I'll never
go outside again. You will never leave that out. He's
so much better than he like. He will tolerate them
because he knows I love them, but he doesn't like them.
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And I mean, I can't fault him. Lots of people
don't like things. Sure, so yeah, but so far, Stella
is my favorite this year. She's on the deck. She
seems real cool. We'll see. I haven't named everybody else
because I haven't met them all yet. They arrived while
I was out of the country, and now I have
to go do my walk around to the yard and
see who's here and who's moved in, and do my
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little welcome to the neighborhood discussion of the spiders. Yeah, yeah,
I love that. I have. One of the other sort
of trains of thought about these trials was that, like,
if you observe animals, it's clear that they are able to,
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you know, to some extent, communicate with one another. They
have standards of behavior for themselves, Like I have two cats.
They know that when they are playing with each other
and they are wrestling, that that this is playtime and
they're not hurting each other, right, they know where those
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limits are. Yeah, And so there's kind of of you know,
people were living a lot of people we're living in
closer proximity to more animals than we are today in
a lot of contexts like you and I both have
cats that live in the house with us, but we
aren't living in neighborhoods where everyone has a cow and
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maybe a horse also, and like lots of other farm
type in quotation marks animals that are you know, part
of your life every day. And so there was a
sort of train of thought of like people were having
more contact with more animals and observing the way animals
interact with people and with each other. So maybe they
were just like, yeah, of course an animal could go
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to court. They know how to behave like the cow. Nos,
it's really a compliment that we're putting you on trial. Yeah, yeah,
And it made me think about our efforts to teach
our cats to use little buttons to tell us what
they want, which is just proceeding in a comical way.
At my house, they have figured out if they delicately
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paw at the treat button, I will give them a treat.
They have not figured out that they need to push
it hard enough for it to say the word treat.
And they also haven't really figured out that they can
just go over there and do that that like, they
don't need to be sort of invited. Hey, we're going
to work on buttons now. Also, strangely, Onyx is better
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at it than Opal, and usually Opal is the one
who figures things out more than on it. Onyx has
reliably figured out that the thing that needs to be
touched is the button. Opal kind of thinks something needs
to be touched. Is it my finger though? Is it
my sister's head? Is it the mat, is it the floor?
What am I touching? You think? We will see. We
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will see if they ever get the hang of it.
The entire reason we got these is because Onyx does
a little ritual where she tries she taps me on
the side to get my attention, and then she walks
in a circle and then she looks at me, and
I'm like, I don't You're trying to communicate something to
me and I don't know what it is. If I
haven't figured it out, I should summon her to a
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hearing where maybe no, I don't think so, I will
just give her lots of pets and snuggles. It would
be like a cute hearing, like you were arraigning you
on overly cutosity and the defense doesn't look good. You're
too cute, it's a problem, and then your punishment is kisses. Yeah,
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you're sentences for pat centuries. So yeah, whatever's happening on
your weekend, I hope it's going to go as well
for you as it very possibly can. If you're having rest,
I hope it's RESTful. And if you're having work, I
hope it is productive and you know, goes the way
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you want it to. Go and if it involves dealing
with people, I hope all the people are great to you.
We will be back on Tomorrow, which is Saturday, with
a Saturday Classic, and we will be back Monday with
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