November 4, 2022 • 19 mins
Holly and Tracy talk about the multiple homes called the Redpath Mansion and how that confuses the story in press sometimes. They also discuss the ebb and flow of the kinds of research projects that show up in Unearthed! episodes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Holly Fry
and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. So we talked about the
Red Path murders for Halloween. Uh. This is an interesting
(00:21):
one because it really becomes so much more about like
the psychology of a family and what was going on there,
and also is a good example of how when information
is withheld, people just make up their own versions. Sure, yeah,
it really feels like a bunch of wealthy people kind
(00:44):
of closed ranks, um, so that we'll never really know.
I mean, I presume if they did that, it was
out of some embarrassment or desire to, you know, yeah,
hide what was really going on. It's interesting because, um,
of course, Amy is kind of the lynchpin in the
(01:05):
whole thing and how it got presented publicly, and her
diaries have a lot of information about her day to
day doings, but she really doesn't include personal reflections in them,
so we don't have a great sense of like her
personal thoughts on any of it. If she did write
any such things, they are gone. She does seem to
(01:25):
have been very invested in making sure that Cliff's name
was in good standing going forward. Like part of what
she did with the family money was established a library
fund at McGill and her brother's Peter's and Cliff's name
that was quite substantial. She did not do the same
for her mother. She also had the gates that you
(01:48):
would go through when you enter McGill University she had built.
Those are dedicated to her husband, um Dr Roddick after
he had passed. But there is also this whole thing
that some historians have read into Amy story or interpreted
Amy story to speculate about the possibility that she may
(02:10):
have actually been whether or not in a Roman, in
a relationship or not, but romantically fixated on Rose Swallow,
who worked in the home. She did make some very
unique and special arrangements for Rose in her will. It
was one of those things where it was like a
(02:30):
woman like Rose, it seemed weird for her to stay
in the position she stayed in as long as she did.
It wasn't really like growth. There was. The two of
them traveled together a lot, so there's been speculation that
they may have been a couple, or they may have
just been best friends. We don't know, but again it's
one of those things that like, because all real information
has been shut down. And granted, that's the kind of
(02:52):
thing that would have been the case anyway, right right
for the early d It's not like she would go
and I'm in love with our maid. Um, nobody was
going to say that, right, But it's it's yet another
piece of this puzzle where people are like, what was
going on in that house? They surely didn't want anybody
to know. And the other thing that makes this tricky,
and it came up in some of the research I
(03:13):
was reading, was that because of the families reticence to speak,
what we really have are those fast and furious news
reports that were coming out and that's it. And so
you kind of have to sift through them and do
like a pattern recognition practice and be like, Okay, well
they all do say this in the immediate aftermath. So
(03:35):
she was like, that might be accurate. They don't all
agree on this, so we have to discount that across
the board. Like there, it becomes very very hard to
actually make any sort of coagent picture out of what's
going on. I'm forever, forever fascinated. Uh. We said we
were going to talk about the house, and here's why
(03:56):
there is another house almost always called the Red Path Mansion,
and it comes up in articles about this, even in
like news stories. That is not the same house as
far as I can tell. As we said, the red
Paths very wealthy. They established a lot of that area
(04:18):
and they continued to live in that area for a while,
so many of them had houses built, so there's more
than one Red Path mitch Um. The house that they
lived in when this happened was designed by an architect
named John James Brown in eighteen seventy, the year they
bought it. It was a new house. And you mentioned
(04:40):
that when you're looking for show art, you saw a
lot of pictures of houses that look very much the same,
and that's because he designed a lot of houses for
the square mile that we're all very similar in appearance.
So that's one thing that goes on. But there is
a whole other thing that actually got a good bit
of media coverage, which is a Red Path mansion that
(05:04):
was designed by Sir Andrew Taylor in six and that
house was demolished in after a very long struggle over
whether or not it should be considered a historic property
and restored. Part of it was demolished I think in
the eighties, and then the demolition was stopped through like
some sort of municipal action, and then it kind of
(05:27):
stood there in disrepair. I mean, I understand how they
get confused, because one, the neighborhood is obviously changed and
layout a great deal over time, and the way one
particular picture I kept seeing of it looks it looks
almost similar to like if you were looking at the
mansion where this murder suicide happened from the back angle,
(05:51):
Like I'm like, oh, I could see where that might
be the same house. But then the architects are listed
as different and they are sixteen years apart in their construction,
which just makes it very confusing. But even people who
this is part of the problem that we're still feeling
from the family's closedness regarding information, even people who were
(06:13):
studying that newer house get it confused with the Red
Path murders because there is that weird, kind of just
quiet black hole of whats going on. And what's really
really interesting is that there are a lot of discussions
of that house, that historical home that was destroyed in
(06:36):
that don't mention the murders at all. So people are
just kind of connecting the dots because it's a well
known name, and that is a mansion, and these happened
in a mansion, and they're often called the Red Path
mansion murders. And so I think there's some some things
are getting conflated, and it makes it that much more
tricky to sort the whole thing out. Hopefully, I sent
(06:59):
you a pick or of the right How you did,
I looked great that it took me a really long
time to find that particular one that does not surprised
me even a small amount. I found a lot of
other pictures that I'm pretty sure are the same house
as I sent you from a slightly different angle, but
I also found a bunch of houses that were not.
(07:21):
It's a totally different house. So yeah, we already talked
about how a lot of the language that was used
in the articles um is not great language about chronic illness. Also,
just generally seizures can be really scary to witness and experience,
(07:42):
but they don't generally make people violent. So the idea
that like, he had a seizure and and murdered his mother,
like that's just well, there's also this secondary thing right
where and I am obviously not a doctor, but I
did do some research on epilepsy and thinking about this
(08:03):
um and watched a couple of lectures from doctors, like
there are instances where epilepsy can present not as a
seizure but as like seeming big changes in personality or mood.
And so the thing that gets me though, is that
if that was what they're trying to push this idea
toward the doctors that testified, and I kind of have
(08:24):
to use air quotes because they did testify, but I'm
not convinced that wasn't all a story they agreed on
before they got in front of the corner store. Um,
if that was the idea they were trying to push,
then the introduction of and he appeared to have been
foaming at the mouth, that is more in line with
a seizure, which would not really be the like you
cannot really make those two things mesh in my opinion.
(08:48):
The other thing is that the idea that one of
the house staff had held the two revolvers and then
had shown them that they had been discharged. The way
he showed them they were discharged was by going, look,
see this one has five bullets left in it. And
this one has four. Well, that's not really conclusive evidence
(09:10):
because we don't know if those were tempered or it
wasn't like they did ballistics testing. Yeah, we didn't say
that specifically in the episode, but that was what I
had concluded they had done, was like being like, this
is how many bullets are left. Yeah, that was exactly it.
And I just there's so many things like that that
really feel like they conferred and put together their story
(09:31):
and then that's what went forward. The fact that those
two people had been through the funeral and burial process
in less than forty eight hours after the shooting happened
is the reddest flag. Um, it's so strange. It's so strange,
and we'll never really know what weird family secret they
(09:53):
may have been protecting, or maybe they weren't and they
just were weird and they didn't want anybody to know
their family had any kind of normal problems. We don't know.
We don't know where those weapons came from. The fact
that there were two seems really weird to me. Mysteries abound. Yeah,
I feel like the whole thing has to be allegedly
because we don't we don't know what the real story right.
(10:15):
So we may not have given you any sort of
goblins or ghosts for Halloween, but we gave you things
to think about and speculate on. It's a fascinating one.
There are still descendants of the Red Path family um,
who I'm sure have their own very strong feelings on
the matter. The mystery will live on history mystery. This
(10:46):
week we had one of the parts of our two
parts of Unearthed for the autumn season of the year,
and we don't normally break two parters across the weekend,
especially once we started doing Saturday Classics. It's my fault.
Makes seem like there was a bunch of stuff in
(11:06):
between Part one and Part two, but it just doesn't
feel as necessary with Unearthed episode since there's not a
continual narrative running across the entire course of the episode,
and also we just had some weird scheduling stuff happen.
It's my fault, listen, We just went along. That's that's
what's happens. We've had a number of surprise two partners,
(11:30):
which is also part of why we are recording this
episode on October the fourth, that it's not coming out
so a way later than that, which is uh, not
a buffer. We usually managed to accupulate unless we're specifically
trying to get ahead of somebody going on vacation or
having other time off that's planned, right, I'm just about
(11:52):
to happen. I have a question for you going into this, okay,
because one of the things that happened to on Earth
in the last couple of years, since you're the person
that collects and collates and assembles these, is that for
a while we had a little bit of like a
drop off because the pandemic was causing a lot of
(12:13):
archaeological projects and other research things to be put on pause.
Are you noticing that things have ramped back up to
almost normal or yeah, I would put things into the
almost normal rate of publishing category at this point. I
also think there was a period where I was finding
(12:38):
a lot of stuff that specifically referenced like a museum
inventory ing its entire collection while it was closed because
of the pandemic, or restoration work that was going on
that was that continued during the pandemic with like three
people there like that kind of stuff, And there were
(12:58):
some references to the pandemmic and work that was either
paused because of the pandemic or was carried out specifically
because people had the opportunity during the pandemic. Uh, there
was some of that this time, but I feel like
less than last time. Yeah. I'm just fascinated by that
EBB and flow. Yeah, yeah, and it's I was actually
(13:19):
kind of surprised that I don't think we've wind up
having a one part of this in a while. Um,
which back when we started doing them quarterly instead of
twice a year, and that was up from once a year,
I was like, surely at some point there will only
be one episode's worth of stuff to talk about. But
this time, as is always the case, I had two episodes,
(13:42):
not always but usually the case lately, I had two
episodes of steps to talk about, and then also stuff
that I had bookmarked that we did not talk about
for various reasons, some of it just because it was
more coin hordes that I feel like they added more
to the discussion I thought about your coin hordes recently.
(14:04):
I'm trying to think of a way I can talk
about this without spoiling anything because it's about Uh, it
will not be a spoiler when this comes out, but
you have not seen this yet, which is an episode
of and or where they are in an antiquity shop
and someone mentions, We've just gotten in quite an interesting
bunch of coins, and I was like, oh my gosh,
coin hards who followed me to space, I can't escape
(14:29):
there everywhere. That's pretty great. This also got worked on
in a particularly chaotic way because there was like I
had time off that has happened now, um, and then
came back and we had Folks have probably heard that
the the I Heart radio podcasters formed a union that
(14:51):
is recognized were union bargaining, and so this was pulled
together in the midst of having a lot of time
devoted to union bargaining because I've been working on that
with the union. So that is proceeding a pace, is
how I can describe that. Um. So, as I was
(15:11):
yesterday going through all of this, I kept finding stuff
where it was clear that I had been working on something,
and then I had gotten the message that was like
we're back to the table. Okay, I gotta go back
to the table. Now done, done done. I mean, I
feel like I always work in fits and starts, So
for me, there's always like a half left sentence where
my brain just goes, you know what, you gotta go
(15:34):
cut out that dress right this Yeah, like a zombie. Yeah.
I think you and I have like different mental temperament
in that way, um, because I know you always, for
as long as I have known you have had like
twenty seven things you're juggling at the same time. And
I'm more like, I need eight hours to focus on
this thing, whereas I would if I did that ninety
(15:58):
minutes in, I would stop be productive. It would literally
become a thing where I I typed two words a
half an hour. I don't, I don't. My brain just
is like, no gear change please, it's another passing anything. Yeah. Yeah,
I think probably lots of listeners right now are going
it's Holly a d h D. And I'm like, I
don't know, maybe maybe, but I'm in my fifties and
(16:21):
it works fine. So yeah, I have similar questions about myself,
sometimes not about specifically a d h D, but about
like some under the like uh non neurotypical umbrella. And
I similarly, I'm like, I'm forty seven years old, and
I have adapted to the challenges that my brain's thrown
(16:42):
at me, and it sure would answer some questions about
my child. Yeah, I mean I remember I actually talked
to my therapist about it a while back, and she
was like, okay, but like, would having an official diagnosis
really change your life? Like I just want to make
sure yeah, And I was like, oh, I guess it
probably wouldn't. I just be like, oh, I understand why
(17:03):
that happens now, and then I'd be like, okay, I
still want to shuffle things, because that's how I like
it at this point. You know what else tickled me
in this episode and the Tommins should case the idea
that what we have long suspected to be a spy
code might just be like a horse bedding horsepedding um.
And it made me laugh because I have often wondered,
(17:23):
I know, I certainly do this. I think most people
do this, right. You scribble down notes to yourself at
various times, and sometimes you even go back to your
own notes and go, I don't know what this is anymore.
And I'm like, how many completely innocuous Like you're on
the phone with someone and you think of another thing,
so you write it down really fast so you don't forget,
and then you go back How many of those have
people been like ascribing meaning to that yeah. Um, Patrick
(17:50):
runs various D and D games as the you know,
the d M of the game, and I don't think
I've ever found notes that were related to a game
that I have played in with him. But I have
for sure stumbled onto like pieces of paper where he
jotted something down for one of the other campaigns, just
like on the dining table or something, and it looks
(18:10):
baffling for a moment, and then it's like, oh, these
are these are somede rolls. Yeah. It's actually more exciting
to me when my brain refinds the thing that I
didn't know what it was, but I kept it in case,
and then like two years later, it'll be like, those
were the measurements of that garment, and I'm like, R.
(18:30):
There was one time. I think I've mentioned this on
a show before. Um. I a lot of times will
just plunk things into my notes app on my phone
if I'm out and about in the world and something
strikes my interest is potentially for the show. And occasionally
I will go through my notes app to be like,
is there anything interesting in here that I haven't really
talked about? Uh, And one time I was like, WHOA,
(18:54):
this sounds fascinating and I put it into my search
bar and it was low Cations from Skyrim that I
needed to get to. I love it. I love it
so much. So Yeah, anyway, folks will get two behind
the scenes installments about this time Unearthed because second parts
(19:15):
coming out next week. Uh And until then, I hope
everybody has a great weekend whatever is going on. If
nothing's going on, I hope you have a great time
doing nothing. Sometimes I love to do nothing a little hutter.
It's the best, the best. Uh So we'll be back
with a Saturday Classic tomorrow and the rest of Unearthed
(19:37):
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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Holly Fry
and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. So we talked about the
Red Path murders for Halloween. Uh. This is an interesting
(00:21):
one because it really becomes so much more about like
the psychology of a family and what was going on there,
and also is a good example of how when information
is withheld, people just make up their own versions. Sure, yeah,
it really feels like a bunch of wealthy people kind
(00:44):
of closed ranks, um, so that we'll never really know.
I mean, I presume if they did that, it was
out of some embarrassment or desire to, you know, yeah,
hide what was really going on. It's interesting because, um,
of course, Amy is kind of the lynchpin in the
(01:05):
whole thing and how it got presented publicly, and her
diaries have a lot of information about her day to
day doings, but she really doesn't include personal reflections in them,
so we don't have a great sense of like her
personal thoughts on any of it. If she did write
any such things, they are gone. She does seem to
(01:25):
have been very invested in making sure that Cliff's name
was in good standing going forward. Like part of what
she did with the family money was established a library
fund at McGill and her brother's Peter's and Cliff's name
that was quite substantial. She did not do the same
for her mother. She also had the gates that you
(01:48):
would go through when you enter McGill University she had built.
Those are dedicated to her husband, um Dr Roddick after
he had passed. But there is also this whole thing
that some historians have read into Amy story or interpreted
Amy story to speculate about the possibility that she may
(02:10):
have actually been whether or not in a Roman, in
a relationship or not, but romantically fixated on Rose Swallow,
who worked in the home. She did make some very
unique and special arrangements for Rose in her will. It
was one of those things where it was like a
(02:30):
woman like Rose, it seemed weird for her to stay
in the position she stayed in as long as she did.
It wasn't really like growth. There was. The two of
them traveled together a lot, so there's been speculation that
they may have been a couple, or they may have
just been best friends. We don't know, but again it's
one of those things that like, because all real information
has been shut down. And granted, that's the kind of
(02:52):
thing that would have been the case anyway, right right
for the early d It's not like she would go
and I'm in love with our maid. Um, nobody was
going to say that, right, But it's it's yet another
piece of this puzzle where people are like, what was
going on in that house? They surely didn't want anybody
to know. And the other thing that makes this tricky,
and it came up in some of the research I
(03:13):
was reading, was that because of the families reticence to speak,
what we really have are those fast and furious news
reports that were coming out and that's it. And so
you kind of have to sift through them and do
like a pattern recognition practice and be like, Okay, well
they all do say this in the immediate aftermath. So
(03:35):
she was like, that might be accurate. They don't all
agree on this, so we have to discount that across
the board. Like there, it becomes very very hard to
actually make any sort of coagent picture out of what's
going on. I'm forever, forever fascinated. Uh. We said we
were going to talk about the house, and here's why
(03:56):
there is another house almost always called the Red Path Mansion,
and it comes up in articles about this, even in
like news stories. That is not the same house as
far as I can tell. As we said, the red
Paths very wealthy. They established a lot of that area
(04:18):
and they continued to live in that area for a while,
so many of them had houses built, so there's more
than one Red Path mitch Um. The house that they
lived in when this happened was designed by an architect
named John James Brown in eighteen seventy, the year they
bought it. It was a new house. And you mentioned
(04:40):
that when you're looking for show art, you saw a
lot of pictures of houses that look very much the same,
and that's because he designed a lot of houses for
the square mile that we're all very similar in appearance.
So that's one thing that goes on. But there is
a whole other thing that actually got a good bit
of media coverage, which is a Red Path mansion that
(05:04):
was designed by Sir Andrew Taylor in six and that
house was demolished in after a very long struggle over
whether or not it should be considered a historic property
and restored. Part of it was demolished I think in
the eighties, and then the demolition was stopped through like
some sort of municipal action, and then it kind of
(05:27):
stood there in disrepair. I mean, I understand how they
get confused, because one, the neighborhood is obviously changed and
layout a great deal over time, and the way one
particular picture I kept seeing of it looks it looks
almost similar to like if you were looking at the
mansion where this murder suicide happened from the back angle,
(05:51):
Like I'm like, oh, I could see where that might
be the same house. But then the architects are listed
as different and they are sixteen years apart in their construction,
which just makes it very confusing. But even people who
this is part of the problem that we're still feeling
from the family's closedness regarding information, even people who were
(06:13):
studying that newer house get it confused with the Red
Path murders because there is that weird, kind of just
quiet black hole of whats going on. And what's really
really interesting is that there are a lot of discussions
of that house, that historical home that was destroyed in
(06:36):
that don't mention the murders at all. So people are
just kind of connecting the dots because it's a well
known name, and that is a mansion, and these happened
in a mansion, and they're often called the Red Path
mansion murders. And so I think there's some some things
are getting conflated, and it makes it that much more
tricky to sort the whole thing out. Hopefully, I sent
(06:59):
you a pick or of the right How you did,
I looked great that it took me a really long
time to find that particular one that does not surprised
me even a small amount. I found a lot of
other pictures that I'm pretty sure are the same house
as I sent you from a slightly different angle, but
I also found a bunch of houses that were not.
(07:21):
It's a totally different house. So yeah, we already talked
about how a lot of the language that was used
in the articles um is not great language about chronic illness. Also,
just generally seizures can be really scary to witness and experience,
(07:42):
but they don't generally make people violent. So the idea
that like, he had a seizure and and murdered his mother,
like that's just well, there's also this secondary thing right
where and I am obviously not a doctor, but I
did do some research on epilepsy and thinking about this
(08:03):
um and watched a couple of lectures from doctors, like
there are instances where epilepsy can present not as a
seizure but as like seeming big changes in personality or mood.
And so the thing that gets me though, is that
if that was what they're trying to push this idea
toward the doctors that testified, and I kind of have
(08:24):
to use air quotes because they did testify, but I'm
not convinced that wasn't all a story they agreed on
before they got in front of the corner store. Um,
if that was the idea they were trying to push,
then the introduction of and he appeared to have been
foaming at the mouth, that is more in line with
a seizure, which would not really be the like you
cannot really make those two things mesh in my opinion.
(08:48):
The other thing is that the idea that one of
the house staff had held the two revolvers and then
had shown them that they had been discharged. The way
he showed them they were discharged was by going, look,
see this one has five bullets left in it. And
this one has four. Well, that's not really conclusive evidence
(09:10):
because we don't know if those were tempered or it
wasn't like they did ballistics testing. Yeah, we didn't say
that specifically in the episode, but that was what I
had concluded they had done, was like being like, this
is how many bullets are left. Yeah, that was exactly it.
And I just there's so many things like that that
really feel like they conferred and put together their story
(09:31):
and then that's what went forward. The fact that those
two people had been through the funeral and burial process
in less than forty eight hours after the shooting happened
is the reddest flag. Um, it's so strange. It's so strange,
and we'll never really know what weird family secret they
(09:53):
may have been protecting, or maybe they weren't and they
just were weird and they didn't want anybody to know
their family had any kind of normal problems. We don't know.
We don't know where those weapons came from. The fact
that there were two seems really weird to me. Mysteries abound. Yeah,
I feel like the whole thing has to be allegedly
because we don't we don't know what the real story right.
(10:15):
So we may not have given you any sort of
goblins or ghosts for Halloween, but we gave you things
to think about and speculate on. It's a fascinating one.
There are still descendants of the Red Path family um,
who I'm sure have their own very strong feelings on
the matter. The mystery will live on history mystery. This
(10:46):
week we had one of the parts of our two
parts of Unearthed for the autumn season of the year,
and we don't normally break two parters across the weekend,
especially once we started doing Saturday Classics. It's my fault.
Makes seem like there was a bunch of stuff in
(11:06):
between Part one and Part two, but it just doesn't
feel as necessary with Unearthed episode since there's not a
continual narrative running across the entire course of the episode,
and also we just had some weird scheduling stuff happen.
It's my fault, listen, We just went along. That's that's
what's happens. We've had a number of surprise two partners,
(11:30):
which is also part of why we are recording this
episode on October the fourth, that it's not coming out
so a way later than that, which is uh, not
a buffer. We usually managed to accupulate unless we're specifically
trying to get ahead of somebody going on vacation or
having other time off that's planned, right, I'm just about
(11:52):
to happen. I have a question for you going into this, okay,
because one of the things that happened to on Earth
in the last couple of years, since you're the person
that collects and collates and assembles these, is that for
a while we had a little bit of like a
drop off because the pandemic was causing a lot of
(12:13):
archaeological projects and other research things to be put on pause.
Are you noticing that things have ramped back up to
almost normal or yeah, I would put things into the
almost normal rate of publishing category at this point. I
also think there was a period where I was finding
(12:38):
a lot of stuff that specifically referenced like a museum
inventory ing its entire collection while it was closed because
of the pandemic, or restoration work that was going on
that was that continued during the pandemic with like three
people there like that kind of stuff, And there were
(12:58):
some references to the pandemmic and work that was either
paused because of the pandemic or was carried out specifically
because people had the opportunity during the pandemic. Uh, there
was some of that this time, but I feel like
less than last time. Yeah. I'm just fascinated by that
EBB and flow. Yeah, yeah, and it's I was actually
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kind of surprised that I don't think we've wind up
having a one part of this in a while. Um,
which back when we started doing them quarterly instead of
twice a year, and that was up from once a year,
I was like, surely at some point there will only
be one episode's worth of stuff to talk about. But
this time, as is always the case, I had two episodes,
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not always but usually the case lately, I had two
episodes of steps to talk about, and then also stuff
that I had bookmarked that we did not talk about
for various reasons, some of it just because it was
more coin hordes that I feel like they added more
to the discussion I thought about your coin hordes recently.
(14:04):
I'm trying to think of a way I can talk
about this without spoiling anything because it's about Uh, it
will not be a spoiler when this comes out, but
you have not seen this yet, which is an episode
of and or where they are in an antiquity shop
and someone mentions, We've just gotten in quite an interesting
bunch of coins, and I was like, oh my gosh,
coin hards who followed me to space, I can't escape
(14:29):
there everywhere. That's pretty great. This also got worked on
in a particularly chaotic way because there was like I
had time off that has happened now, um, and then
came back and we had Folks have probably heard that
the the I Heart radio podcasters formed a union that
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is recognized were union bargaining, and so this was pulled
together in the midst of having a lot of time
devoted to union bargaining because I've been working on that
with the union. So that is proceeding a pace, is
how I can describe that. Um. So, as I was
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yesterday going through all of this, I kept finding stuff
where it was clear that I had been working on something,
and then I had gotten the message that was like
we're back to the table. Okay, I gotta go back
to the table. Now done, done done. I mean, I
feel like I always work in fits and starts, So
for me, there's always like a half left sentence where
my brain just goes, you know what, you gotta go
(15:34):
cut out that dress right this Yeah, like a zombie. Yeah.
I think you and I have like different mental temperament
in that way, um, because I know you always, for
as long as I have known you have had like
twenty seven things you're juggling at the same time. And
I'm more like, I need eight hours to focus on
this thing, whereas I would if I did that ninety
(15:58):
minutes in, I would stop be productive. It would literally
become a thing where I I typed two words a
half an hour. I don't, I don't. My brain just
is like, no gear change please, it's another passing anything. Yeah. Yeah,
I think probably lots of listeners right now are going
it's Holly a d h D. And I'm like, I
don't know, maybe maybe, but I'm in my fifties and
(16:21):
it works fine. So yeah, I have similar questions about myself,
sometimes not about specifically a d h D, but about
like some under the like uh non neurotypical umbrella. And
I similarly, I'm like, I'm forty seven years old, and
I have adapted to the challenges that my brain's thrown
(16:42):
at me, and it sure would answer some questions about
my child. Yeah, I mean I remember I actually talked
to my therapist about it a while back, and she
was like, okay, but like, would having an official diagnosis
really change your life? Like I just want to make
sure yeah, And I was like, oh, I guess it
probably wouldn't. I just be like, oh, I understand why
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that happens now, and then I'd be like, okay, I
still want to shuffle things, because that's how I like
it at this point. You know what else tickled me
in this episode and the Tommins should case the idea
that what we have long suspected to be a spy
code might just be like a horse bedding horsepedding um.
And it made me laugh because I have often wondered,
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I know, I certainly do this. I think most people
do this, right. You scribble down notes to yourself at
various times, and sometimes you even go back to your
own notes and go, I don't know what this is anymore.
And I'm like, how many completely innocuous Like you're on
the phone with someone and you think of another thing,
so you write it down really fast so you don't forget,
and then you go back How many of those have
people been like ascribing meaning to that yeah. Um, Patrick
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runs various D and D games as the you know,
the d M of the game, and I don't think
I've ever found notes that were related to a game
that I have played in with him. But I have
for sure stumbled onto like pieces of paper where he
jotted something down for one of the other campaigns, just
like on the dining table or something, and it looks
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baffling for a moment, and then it's like, oh, these
are these are somede rolls. Yeah. It's actually more exciting
to me when my brain refinds the thing that I
didn't know what it was, but I kept it in case,
and then like two years later, it'll be like, those
were the measurements of that garment, and I'm like, R.
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There was one time. I think I've mentioned this on
a show before. Um. I a lot of times will
just plunk things into my notes app on my phone
if I'm out and about in the world and something
strikes my interest is potentially for the show. And occasionally
I will go through my notes app to be like,
is there anything interesting in here that I haven't really
talked about? Uh, And one time I was like, WHOA,
(18:54):
this sounds fascinating and I put it into my search
bar and it was low Cations from Skyrim that I
needed to get to. I love it. I love it
so much. So Yeah, anyway, folks will get two behind
the scenes installments about this time Unearthed because second parts
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coming out next week. Uh And until then, I hope
everybody has a great weekend whatever is going on. If
nothing's going on, I hope you have a great time
doing nothing. Sometimes I love to do nothing a little hutter.
It's the best, the best. Uh So we'll be back
with a Saturday Classic tomorrow and the rest of Unearthed
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