June 4, 2021 • 17 mins
Holly and Tracy talk about Child's life, the ways in which she was ahead of her time socially, and the questions surrounding her marriage. The Haymarket riot's place in labor history is also covered, with an eye toward how many of the issues that were prominent then remain in play today.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production
of I Heart Radio. Happy Friday, Everybody. I'm Holly Fry
and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. Uh. We hope you're having
a wonderful week. This week we talked about Lydia Maria Child.
(00:22):
We did who was fascinating. I mean, I feel like
I always say that word, but we probably wouldn't be
picking any of the things we picked if we didn't
find them fascinating. In her case, one thing I mentioned
at the end of the episode that I wanted to
talk about was like the the lens of her writing,
because often, very often, I would say, when you read
(00:45):
something like an abolitionist peace or something about indigenous people's
that was written during this time period, particularly during a
white person and particularly a white woman, there are some
problematic aspects to it. There's certainly some some white saviorism
and self back padding that comes into play. Um, I'm
not gonna say her work was void of that entirely,
(01:07):
but it is to my read and I wouldn't say
I have like an encyclopedic knowledge of all her work,
but based on the things I read, a much lower
level than other writers at the time. There's also an
interesting thing about her that came up, and I couldn't
quite figure out how to pop it into the episode
without making a weird, clunky side road, which is that
(01:28):
we've talked about before. A lot of the the suffragists
and suffragettes of the time period in those early phases
eventually like they had linked up with post Civil War,
they had linked up with, UM, A lot of activists
that were also working to get black people the right
(01:48):
to vote right, but there was often that division of oh,
no, no no, no, but white women first. She is the
rare exception that was like, ladies, we can wait a minute,
Like we got to get these people closer to where
we are before we take another step um, which was interesting.
She did not go to uh the Women's Convention at
(02:10):
Seneca Falls, but a lot of her work was read there,
for example, UM It's She's an interesting figure in that regard,
like she was very influential in her writing. But I
think because of her kind of sour taste after after
working with various abolitionist groups, she kind of got this
(02:31):
idea of like, organized groups are problematic, and I don't
want to do that. I still want to talk about
these issues and I want to publish all my stuff,
but like, please don't, please, don't lump me in with
a bunch of other people that think they think the
same way I do, because we'll find out we don't. Yeah.
So we got to the part about her her Boston
(02:51):
Atheneum borrowing privileges being removed, and I am a member
of the Boston Athne, so I had this nomitive indignance
um and I lighted it up and the on their
website they have this whole big biography of her and
they're like, we definitely revoked her privileges, but it's not
documented why, and there were other abolitionists who were members,
(03:14):
so question mark, and I'm like, still having my moment
of indignance. It's really interesting because they had given her
a free membership because of her, you know, her position.
And in one of the biographies I read, it indicated
that one of her friends was like, well, I'll just
buy you a membership and the Atheneum was like, nope,
(03:36):
welcome in our doors. And I was like, woa, how
I mean, if I had to guess, it's really because
she talked so openly about interracial marriage and women's sexuality
and things that even for abolitionists were a little too
far at the time. I mean, like, when you think
about someone we did our episode on Loving versus Virginia,
which to me is very recent history, and when you
(03:59):
think about that and then think about someone in the
eighteen thirties writing about like, no interracial marriage should be
a thing, you guys, this is actually going to help
society in the long run. That's a little bit eye
opening in terms of of how sort of brazen she
was with some of her writing. Yeah. Yeah, We've talked
in other episodes about marriages specifically in Massachusetts and other
(04:23):
parts of New England between um, white and indigenous people,
uh like in in decades and even centuries before she
was living UM, and I think that was like somewhat
more socially accepted, but interracial marriages between white people and
(04:43):
black people like really enormously taboo. Yeah, it's it's interesting.
I I think about to her marriage a lot and
how she, I mean clearly went into that marriage having
thought about it, having thought about David's financial issues. But
(05:04):
I also wonder because she doesn't there's not really any record,
She's not someone who ever secretly wrote about I'm so
mad at him, blah blah blah. So I wonder how
she felt, especially because she was so opposite of him
in the way she handled money, um, and knowing that
she probably could have been an extraordinarily wealthy woman based
(05:24):
on the popularity of some of her work had it
not been for the fact that the money was flowing
right back out the door. I can't help but wonder,
you know about the alternate timeline where yeah, she just
makes her own money and isn't isn't connected to anyone else,
that that creates a um uh spending spree element to
(05:46):
that whole income. Yeah. I I also had just various
mental questions about his whole libel conviction and what led
to that. Uh yeah, it's um. I mean, he was
brazen in his own way, and he was a very
outspoken person, and I think he was emboldened possibly, you know,
(06:11):
because he was a man um to make accusations against
very powerful people at times, and that just did not
always work. It also makes to me such a strong
contrast between that and the way she worked, where she
would be like, Hey, this time, I'm writing this essay
(06:34):
that's going to get published in this place, and the
main readers are going to be, you know, Southern women.
So maybe if I'm nice about how I put these
things but still tell the truth, they'll start to see
the air of their ways. Whereas other times she was
just like, this is all wrong. You're doing it wrong.
Everyone is wrong. But so it's a that is a
(06:58):
really interesting part of her story to me, just how
kind of savvy she was about those things. Yeah, I
really really do enjoy the frugal housewife. It kind of
cracks me up. I would be her worst nightmare because
I am not a frugal housewife. I'm like, yeah, I
want that toy, I'm a buy it, where she'd be
like what, um, but it is there's lots of good
stuff in there. I also wonder if she ever knew
(07:20):
a pack rat in her life, because she might not
be quite so like keep every scrap, every scrap you have, um,
if she knew that it would go in a pile
like it would at my house if that were the case.
So many things to unpack, Yeah with Mrs Child. This
week one of our episodes was on the Haymarket Riot, which,
(07:44):
as I said, is known by a number of different names,
none of which I feel like we're actually perfect encapsulations.
Not there's no one word that's that's ideally illustrative there. Yeah,
there are honestly so many differ print aspects of how
the whole idea that a forty hour work week is
(08:04):
a full time week and it runs from Monday to Friday. Like,
there are so many different pieces of that whole thing.
This could almost be a series. Um. And in terms
of like the progression of that, I don't know that
that the haymarket incident is necessary the most necessarily the
most illustrative one, but it's also the one that it
(08:27):
just comes up over and over and over again in
terms of its connection to the eight hour work day. Um.
And also the fact that people have been asking us
to talk about it on the show for a while. Yeah,
I mean, I I um in the way that precocious
children who think they're very bright and insightful off and do.
(08:50):
I remember asking my parents a cajillion questions about how
the work week came to be a thing, and I'm like, uh,
you know, why is As I've gotten older, I'm like,
why is it not nine to five anymore? But nine
to six? And the lunch got got taken out? Of
the day. Um, But like I remember my parents being like,
(09:12):
I don't know, it's always been that way. Yeah, even
though in their lifetimes it, I mean, it still is
not legally like that for everyone, and certainly in their
lifetimes there was still there were still things happening that
that impacted it, but they just didn't. They probably retired
of me asking a million questions and they were like,
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know anymore.
(09:32):
Please go away. Do you sleep? Please sleep? Yeah, it
is one of those things that just sort of feels
like in a lot of ways that that's how it's
always been, and it, uh, it's definitely not how it's
always been. Like when I was reading about the progression
of like that May one national strike and then the
(09:53):
May three incident where where police killed some of at
least one of the demonstrators, possibly more, something that I
had read was like, you know, May three was the
first day back at work, and I was like, wait,
but I'm confused, Like it didn't totally jell with me
that this national strike that started on May one was
(10:14):
starting on a Saturday, because Saturday was a day that
most people were working in industries that you know, we
might not necessarily think of being at work on a
Saturday or a Sunday. So it's like it took me
aboute to be like, oh that that part wasn't fixed
yet either. No, uh, you know, it's it certainly struck
(10:39):
me when reading over your notes just how many of
these debates are still ongoing. We are still having the
same arguments about capitalism and what it means to the
working class and and whatnot. Um, it's weird to think about,
as we always say, like we're still fighting the same battles. Yeah, yeah, well,
(11:02):
and I I said in the show at one point
briefly that like I had chosen this because of the
whole eight hour workday connection. But then also, uh, you know,
we are still having so many conversations about UM, the
rights of workers in general, and how much workers are
making versus how much their employers are making, UM, and
(11:23):
then how law enforcement responds to protests that obviously has
been a huge, huge, huge issue UM for ages, but
especially over the last approximately year. UM, Like they're just
so many pieces of it that I felt like this
is almost a replay of something that could be happening
(11:45):
right now. Yeah, for sure, So this is a weird
curious not about researching the episode question. When you were
not having Saturday and Sunday as your quote days off
in a week, Um, how did you feel about that
work schedule? Um? In some ways I loved it because
it meant that on I had days off where things
(12:06):
like doctor's offices and government offices and stuff were open.
So if I had business like that to take care of,
it was way easier to schedule, to be like, oh, really,
well I'm off on Monday, um, and could could run
and do those things. It was also, you know, a
time in my life when I was younger, so I
would just keep crazy hours anyway, even crazier than I
(12:30):
do now. So I think I was more resilient to like,
oh but my friends all want to go out to eat,
and I will make that happen, even though I have
to work tomorrow and they don't stuff like that. I
would just feel like, that's fine, that's fine. I just
won't sleep all about and you know, get get dinner
and drinks and get into all kinds of shenanigans, and
(12:51):
I could be up at nine. That's not a problem
in my desk ready to go, which is I look
back on it now and I'm like, I would not
survive a single week of that. But yeah, yeah, I
um so in in in one of the jobs where
I was working at night most of the time, my
days off for Tuesday and Wednesday, but sometimes not, and
I did not know what it was going to be
(13:14):
until the day the schedule was distributed for like the
upcoming week. It would be like, oh, I guess this week,
I don't have Tuesday off. Whoops. Um. But also most
of the people I socialized with were people I work
with who were all also working on Saturday and Sunday
almost every week of their lives. So it was like
(13:34):
it was just all we all just rolled with it,
you know. It was very common for us to go
out to the movies as a group on Tuesday night
because most of us were going to be off on Wednesday. UM.
But then when I eventually after I moved to Atlanta, um,
I similarly I was always working on the weekend. I
was off during the week, and at that point, like
(13:55):
none of my social circle was working that schedule at all,
and that did become harder to coordinate around. Yeah, I
mean I feel like one I would go stir crazy
if I didn't know my schedule week to week. I think, um,
as much as I'm like I'll roll with anything, whatever
is fine, I like a little bit of structure, Like
(14:17):
I feel like I need a little bit of structure
because I don't always have my own structure, so that
like kind of keeps me from going completely off the
rails and being like, oh, I don't know, I just
decided to drive to Oregon this week. I don't, I
don't know. Um, so that would be tricky. But I
imagine also doing things like scheduling, like doctor's appointments and
(14:38):
stuff gets a lot trickier than because maybe not. Yeah,
I remember one time, like I had been in a
pretty regular pattern of mostly having Tuesdays and Wednesdays off,
and that had been going on like that for a while,
and there was something critical that I needed to do,
and so I had mentioned to the scheduler person, Hey,
I've had Tuesday Wednesday off consecutively for a while. I
(15:00):
really really just I need that to be what happens
this upcoming week, because law, like, I don't even remember
what the thing was. I just remember the schedule came
out and I was not off on Tuesday and like
just crying in in the administrative office because it's like
it was, it wore on you after a while. Um
(15:24):
to be like even my one thing is not necessarily
happening on that day, Yeah, that would be tricky. I
do feel very spoiled in it. For a long time now,
I have had jobs where I have the flexibility to
be like, by the way, I'm going to leave for
X amount of time on whatever day because I have
a thing I gotta do, you know, for whatever. I
(15:47):
mean anything from a doctor's appointment to a vet visit
to sometimes a haircut. Um. It's it's something I do
not take for granted because I know how many people
do not have that level of flexibility. I mean I
remember my mother in law is a career educator, and
I remember talking to her about it and just like, no,
it's not like I can leave students in the middle
(16:08):
of the day and to adoptor's appointment. UM. So you know,
really thinking about things in those terms of people that
that are very beholden to you know, they're they're whether
they're clocked in or not, they're clocked in hours. UM
in a way that doesn't afford flexibility, is I think
one of the biggest problems we kind of face as
(16:31):
a global society, right the US particularly bad about it,
I think based on discussions I've had with people who
live abroad, but I'm sure everywhere has its its quandary areas.
Yeah for sure. Yeah. Anyway, if we could all live
lives of leisure, that would be great deal. Yeah. So anyway,
(16:57):
that's how the many things that were not why I
chose this episode continue to resonate with me about it.
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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production
of I Heart Radio. Happy Friday, Everybody. I'm Holly Fry
and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson. Uh. We hope you're having
a wonderful week. This week we talked about Lydia Maria Child.
(00:22):
We did who was fascinating. I mean, I feel like
I always say that word, but we probably wouldn't be
picking any of the things we picked if we didn't
find them fascinating. In her case, one thing I mentioned
at the end of the episode that I wanted to
talk about was like the the lens of her writing,
because often, very often, I would say, when you read
(00:45):
something like an abolitionist peace or something about indigenous people's
that was written during this time period, particularly during a
white person and particularly a white woman, there are some
problematic aspects to it. There's certainly some some white saviorism
and self back padding that comes into play. Um, I'm
not gonna say her work was void of that entirely,
(01:07):
but it is to my read and I wouldn't say
I have like an encyclopedic knowledge of all her work,
but based on the things I read, a much lower
level than other writers at the time. There's also an
interesting thing about her that came up, and I couldn't
quite figure out how to pop it into the episode
without making a weird, clunky side road, which is that
(01:28):
we've talked about before. A lot of the the suffragists
and suffragettes of the time period in those early phases
eventually like they had linked up with post Civil War,
they had linked up with, UM, A lot of activists
that were also working to get black people the right
(01:48):
to vote right, but there was often that division of oh,
no, no no, no, but white women first. She is the
rare exception that was like, ladies, we can wait a minute,
Like we got to get these people closer to where
we are before we take another step um, which was interesting.
She did not go to uh the Women's Convention at
(02:10):
Seneca Falls, but a lot of her work was read there,
for example, UM It's She's an interesting figure in that regard,
like she was very influential in her writing. But I
think because of her kind of sour taste after after
working with various abolitionist groups, she kind of got this
(02:31):
idea of like, organized groups are problematic, and I don't
want to do that. I still want to talk about
these issues and I want to publish all my stuff,
but like, please don't, please, don't lump me in with
a bunch of other people that think they think the
same way I do, because we'll find out we don't. Yeah.
So we got to the part about her her Boston
(02:51):
Atheneum borrowing privileges being removed, and I am a member
of the Boston Athne, so I had this nomitive indignance
um and I lighted it up and the on their
website they have this whole big biography of her and
they're like, we definitely revoked her privileges, but it's not
documented why, and there were other abolitionists who were members,
(03:14):
so question mark, and I'm like, still having my moment
of indignance. It's really interesting because they had given her
a free membership because of her, you know, her position.
And in one of the biographies I read, it indicated
that one of her friends was like, well, I'll just
buy you a membership and the Atheneum was like, nope,
(03:36):
welcome in our doors. And I was like, woa, how
I mean, if I had to guess, it's really because
she talked so openly about interracial marriage and women's sexuality
and things that even for abolitionists were a little too
far at the time. I mean, like, when you think
about someone we did our episode on Loving versus Virginia,
which to me is very recent history, and when you
(03:59):
think about that and then think about someone in the
eighteen thirties writing about like, no interracial marriage should be
a thing, you guys, this is actually going to help
society in the long run. That's a little bit eye
opening in terms of of how sort of brazen she
was with some of her writing. Yeah. Yeah, We've talked
in other episodes about marriages specifically in Massachusetts and other
(04:23):
parts of New England between um, white and indigenous people,
uh like in in decades and even centuries before she
was living UM, and I think that was like somewhat
more socially accepted, but interracial marriages between white people and
(04:43):
black people like really enormously taboo. Yeah, it's it's interesting.
I I think about to her marriage a lot and
how she, I mean clearly went into that marriage having
thought about it, having thought about David's financial issues. But
(05:04):
I also wonder because she doesn't there's not really any record,
She's not someone who ever secretly wrote about I'm so
mad at him, blah blah blah. So I wonder how
she felt, especially because she was so opposite of him
in the way she handled money, um, and knowing that
she probably could have been an extraordinarily wealthy woman based
(05:24):
on the popularity of some of her work had it
not been for the fact that the money was flowing
right back out the door. I can't help but wonder,
you know about the alternate timeline where yeah, she just
makes her own money and isn't isn't connected to anyone else,
that that creates a um uh spending spree element to
(05:46):
that whole income. Yeah. I I also had just various
mental questions about his whole libel conviction and what led
to that. Uh yeah, it's um. I mean, he was
brazen in his own way, and he was a very
outspoken person, and I think he was emboldened possibly, you know,
(06:11):
because he was a man um to make accusations against
very powerful people at times, and that just did not
always work. It also makes to me such a strong
contrast between that and the way she worked, where she
would be like, Hey, this time, I'm writing this essay
(06:34):
that's going to get published in this place, and the
main readers are going to be, you know, Southern women.
So maybe if I'm nice about how I put these
things but still tell the truth, they'll start to see
the air of their ways. Whereas other times she was
just like, this is all wrong. You're doing it wrong.
Everyone is wrong. But so it's a that is a
(06:58):
really interesting part of her story to me, just how
kind of savvy she was about those things. Yeah, I
really really do enjoy the frugal housewife. It kind of
cracks me up. I would be her worst nightmare because
I am not a frugal housewife. I'm like, yeah, I
want that toy, I'm a buy it, where she'd be
like what, um, but it is there's lots of good
stuff in there. I also wonder if she ever knew
(07:20):
a pack rat in her life, because she might not
be quite so like keep every scrap, every scrap you have, um,
if she knew that it would go in a pile
like it would at my house if that were the case.
So many things to unpack, Yeah with Mrs Child. This
week one of our episodes was on the Haymarket Riot, which,
(07:44):
as I said, is known by a number of different names,
none of which I feel like we're actually perfect encapsulations.
Not there's no one word that's that's ideally illustrative there. Yeah,
there are honestly so many differ print aspects of how
the whole idea that a forty hour work week is
(08:04):
a full time week and it runs from Monday to Friday. Like,
there are so many different pieces of that whole thing.
This could almost be a series. Um. And in terms
of like the progression of that, I don't know that
that the haymarket incident is necessary the most necessarily the
most illustrative one, but it's also the one that it
(08:27):
just comes up over and over and over again in
terms of its connection to the eight hour work day. Um.
And also the fact that people have been asking us
to talk about it on the show for a while. Yeah,
I mean, I I um in the way that precocious
children who think they're very bright and insightful off and do.
(08:50):
I remember asking my parents a cajillion questions about how
the work week came to be a thing, and I'm like, uh,
you know, why is As I've gotten older, I'm like,
why is it not nine to five anymore? But nine
to six? And the lunch got got taken out? Of
the day. Um, But like I remember my parents being like,
(09:12):
I don't know, it's always been that way. Yeah, even
though in their lifetimes it, I mean, it still is
not legally like that for everyone, and certainly in their
lifetimes there was still there were still things happening that
that impacted it, but they just didn't. They probably retired
of me asking a million questions and they were like,
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know anymore.
(09:32):
Please go away. Do you sleep? Please sleep? Yeah, it
is one of those things that just sort of feels
like in a lot of ways that that's how it's
always been, and it, uh, it's definitely not how it's
always been. Like when I was reading about the progression
of like that May one national strike and then the
(09:53):
May three incident where where police killed some of at
least one of the demonstrators, possibly more, something that I
had read was like, you know, May three was the
first day back at work, and I was like, wait,
but I'm confused, Like it didn't totally jell with me
that this national strike that started on May one was
(10:14):
starting on a Saturday, because Saturday was a day that
most people were working in industries that you know, we
might not necessarily think of being at work on a
Saturday or a Sunday. So it's like it took me
aboute to be like, oh that that part wasn't fixed
yet either. No, uh, you know, it's it certainly struck
(10:39):
me when reading over your notes just how many of
these debates are still ongoing. We are still having the
same arguments about capitalism and what it means to the
working class and and whatnot. Um, it's weird to think about,
as we always say, like we're still fighting the same battles. Yeah, yeah, well,
(11:02):
and I I said in the show at one point
briefly that like I had chosen this because of the
whole eight hour workday connection. But then also, uh, you know,
we are still having so many conversations about UM, the
rights of workers in general, and how much workers are
making versus how much their employers are making, UM, and
(11:23):
then how law enforcement responds to protests that obviously has
been a huge, huge, huge issue UM for ages, but
especially over the last approximately year. UM, Like they're just
so many pieces of it that I felt like this
is almost a replay of something that could be happening
(11:45):
right now. Yeah, for sure, So this is a weird
curious not about researching the episode question. When you were
not having Saturday and Sunday as your quote days off
in a week, Um, how did you feel about that
work schedule? Um? In some ways I loved it because
it meant that on I had days off where things
(12:06):
like doctor's offices and government offices and stuff were open.
So if I had business like that to take care of,
it was way easier to schedule, to be like, oh, really,
well I'm off on Monday, um, and could could run
and do those things. It was also, you know, a
time in my life when I was younger, so I
would just keep crazy hours anyway, even crazier than I
(12:30):
do now. So I think I was more resilient to like,
oh but my friends all want to go out to eat,
and I will make that happen, even though I have
to work tomorrow and they don't stuff like that. I
would just feel like, that's fine, that's fine. I just
won't sleep all about and you know, get get dinner
and drinks and get into all kinds of shenanigans, and
(12:51):
I could be up at nine. That's not a problem
in my desk ready to go, which is I look
back on it now and I'm like, I would not
survive a single week of that. But yeah, yeah, I
um so in in in one of the jobs where
I was working at night most of the time, my
days off for Tuesday and Wednesday, but sometimes not, and
I did not know what it was going to be
(13:14):
until the day the schedule was distributed for like the
upcoming week. It would be like, oh, I guess this week,
I don't have Tuesday off. Whoops. Um. But also most
of the people I socialized with were people I work
with who were all also working on Saturday and Sunday
almost every week of their lives. So it was like
(13:34):
it was just all we all just rolled with it,
you know. It was very common for us to go
out to the movies as a group on Tuesday night
because most of us were going to be off on Wednesday. UM.
But then when I eventually after I moved to Atlanta, um,
I similarly I was always working on the weekend. I
was off during the week, and at that point, like
(13:55):
none of my social circle was working that schedule at all,
and that did become harder to coordinate around. Yeah, I
mean I feel like one I would go stir crazy
if I didn't know my schedule week to week. I think, um,
as much as I'm like I'll roll with anything, whatever
is fine, I like a little bit of structure, Like
(14:17):
I feel like I need a little bit of structure
because I don't always have my own structure, so that
like kind of keeps me from going completely off the
rails and being like, oh, I don't know, I just
decided to drive to Oregon this week. I don't, I
don't know. Um, so that would be tricky. But I
imagine also doing things like scheduling, like doctor's appointments and
(14:38):
stuff gets a lot trickier than because maybe not. Yeah,
I remember one time, like I had been in a
pretty regular pattern of mostly having Tuesdays and Wednesdays off,
and that had been going on like that for a while,
and there was something critical that I needed to do,
and so I had mentioned to the scheduler person, Hey,
I've had Tuesday Wednesday off consecutively for a while. I
(15:00):
really really just I need that to be what happens
this upcoming week, because law, like, I don't even remember
what the thing was. I just remember the schedule came
out and I was not off on Tuesday and like
just crying in in the administrative office because it's like
it was, it wore on you after a while. Um
(15:24):
to be like even my one thing is not necessarily
happening on that day, Yeah, that would be tricky. I
do feel very spoiled in it. For a long time now,
I have had jobs where I have the flexibility to
be like, by the way, I'm going to leave for
X amount of time on whatever day because I have
a thing I gotta do, you know, for whatever. I
(15:47):
mean anything from a doctor's appointment to a vet visit
to sometimes a haircut. Um. It's it's something I do
not take for granted because I know how many people
do not have that level of flexibility. I mean I
remember my mother in law is a career educator, and
I remember talking to her about it and just like, no,
it's not like I can leave students in the middle
(16:08):
of the day and to adoptor's appointment. UM. So you know,
really thinking about things in those terms of people that
that are very beholden to you know, they're they're whether
they're clocked in or not, they're clocked in hours. UM
in a way that doesn't afford flexibility, is I think
one of the biggest problems we kind of face as
(16:31):
a global society, right the US particularly bad about it,
I think based on discussions I've had with people who
live abroad, but I'm sure everywhere has its its quandary areas.
Yeah for sure. Yeah. Anyway, if we could all live
lives of leisure, that would be great deal. Yeah. So anyway,
(16:57):
that's how the many things that were not why I
chose this episode continue to resonate with me about it.
So thanks for joining us for this casual behind the
scenes on Friday. We'll be back tomorrow with classic and
then Monday with a brand new episode. And you can,
(17:17):
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