February 24, 2023 • 19 mins
Tracy and Holly talk about the ways enslaved people found to push back against their enslavement. They then examine the animal welfare aspect of Old Rip’s story.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson
and I'm Holly Fry and we talked about Susie King
Taylor on the show this week. Yes, indeed, she is
(00:22):
somebody who I discovered. Sometimes when I Google something, there
is often over on the left a little thing that's
like people also searched for, And I don't even remember
what I was googling, but under the people also searched for,
I saw this very striking photo and I was like,
(00:43):
who is that person? And I clicked on it and
it was Susie King Taylor, and I was immediately captivated,
and like, I want to do an episode on this person,
not just because her memoir is, as far as I know,
unique in the world of like first person writing about
civil war, but also because it shows in so many
(01:06):
different ways the resourcefulness and ingenuity and determination of enslaved
people and freed people and people who liberated themselves. I
feel like sometimes there is a perception that there was
like a passivity among enslaved people of like begrudgingly accepting
(01:27):
what was going on, which is not correct at all,
and her story just has so many ways that she
and her family were pushing back on all of that.
There was, you know, little things from having been able
to maintain these connections among themselves and having a family
(01:48):
history that they knew that went back generations, to her
forging passes for her grandmother at the age of like thirteen.
I'd feel like we should also note that they're an
ongoing and very troubling thing that happens is like black
children being interpreted as adults rather than children and news
reporting and stuff. So I don't want to fall into
(02:11):
that trope. But at the same time, the idea that
she was forging passes for her grandmother, who could not
read or write, at the age of roughly thirteen, I
found that incredible, amazing and just such a good example
of the kind of things that people did do to
try to push back and make a better life for
(02:33):
themselves in a world that was set up to not
allow that. Well, and all of it leading up to
her ability to do that, right, like that entire community
effort to have a secret school. Yeah, is enthralling to consider.
How incredibly the thing that I bring to mind is
(02:56):
not a good correlation, which is that It makes me
think of when kids are on movie sets and they're
not allowed to tell anything about it, right, It's very hard.
That's like one of the things that people will say, like,
I can't believe nothing leaked same. I mean, it's a
bunch of kids being told to read, being taught to
read and write, which is illegal, and no one can
(03:17):
know about it, and they all kept the secret, which
is amazing to me. Yeah, I wish I knew more
about what happens to the rest of her family during
the war, because her memoir makes it sound like it
was her and her uncle and her uncle's family who
all escaped ultimately to Saint Simon's Island, as she clearly
(03:40):
still had connections to her grandmother and other family members,
But I am less clear on like her immediate family,
her parents and siblings, like what happened with them during
the war. I did not read her memoir as you did,
but I found myself wondering, and this is strictly conjecture.
What made me think about it was when we got
(04:00):
to the part where she talked about her son, but
she doesn't mention him by name. It almost feels like
things that are painful she distances and doesn't talk about
Oh sure, yeah, so I can imagine whatever happened to
separate her from her immediate family, probably she didn't want
to think about. I also tried to find more information
(04:22):
about him, what his name was, what his date of
birth was, and that maybe information that exists somewhere. There's
a lot, like a lot of records of enslaved people,
previously enslaved people that like the records are just not there,
(04:43):
things were destroyed during the war, or they were never
kept in the first place, or like the records of
a family might have been an inventory of the household
of the people who were enslaving them, and you know,
if if their house was burned down during the war,
just may not be there anymore. Like there's it's hard
(05:03):
to know whether that information exists. It seems as though
her son, being born after the war was over, that
information might exist somewhere. I was not able to track
it down. If so, and that I just I found
the story of her trip to to go look after
(05:24):
him and not being able to bring it bring him
home just to heartbreaking. Yeah. In my original draft of
the outline, I had ended with her quote from the
chapter on her reflections on the current time. And then
I was like, I think that is not the note
that I want to end this episode on, because while
(05:48):
to me, that whole paragraph is still so relevant today,
so much of her story to me was about resilience
and ingenuity. That that like, I wanted to include that,
but I didn't necessarily want to end the episode there. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's fair. I do want to mention I'm
(06:09):
presuming that the picture that you're talking about that caught
your eye is the only one I've ever seen of her,
a photograph where she's in that black it looks almost
like a morning suit with a veil. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
in love with that jacket. Yeah, I've only seen it.
I've only seen one other picture that is was labeled
(06:29):
as being of her, and I really it can be
hard sometimes to tell whether two different pictures of the
same person are the same person. Like there's so much
about lighting and camera angles and how people's faces change
at different parts of their life, Like it can be hard.
But I was like, I'm not This picture is the
picture from her book with her signature under it in
(06:52):
a lot of places that you find it printed, But
like this other picture did not have that kind of framing,
and I was like, I'm not sure if that's the
same person or not. Maybe maybe not, don't really know.
One story that I had had in the outline that
I took out just because it was it wasn't central
(07:14):
to the story and the episode itself was sort of ballooning,
was that she and other folks like from the camp
had been moved to a new location and she had
left some of her things where they had previously been stationed,
and she went back for her stuff, and she and
a friend caught a ride with the commissary wagon to
(07:35):
get out there, and then they were just going to
walk back, and the walk back turned out to take
way longer than they thought, so long and so tiring,
and she was like, our feet hurt so much that
we took our shoes off to see if that would help,
and that actually made it worse. And it got dark
and we just everybody, we were like, what's going to happen.
(07:56):
We got to the camp, we didn't have the pass
code to get back in because we didn't know we
were going to be gone for that long. We you know,
the guard though, knew who we were, they you know,
and let us in and from that point on the
soldiers would make jokes about her being a deserter. And
(08:17):
I just found that, like the finding humor in this
whole situation and it continuing to find humor in it.
I loved that. So I was like, I'll talk about
that on Friday instead of having it sort of an
aside in the middle of this otherwise not focused on
that exact thing episode. Yeah, I love it though. Yeah,
(08:40):
I'm sure grateful. She wrote her autobiography Me Too. It
is digitized. You can read the whole thing online. There's
been kind of a push in the last few years
to make her better known, which I think is great.
(09:06):
We talked about Old Ribbon this week. We did. We did.
I Yeah, I did not know what this was at
all when you sent this outline to me. Oh, I'm
so glad. I'm like, we're getting along. And I just
got to the part where and then they put a
horrid lizard in the time capsule and I was like,
I'm sorry, you did what I'm at now. Yeah, I
(09:30):
mean that part is tricky, and it's interesting because some
of the modern retellings try to soften what that is,
where they're like, no, he explained to his son that
lizards live for a hundred years, and so it was
okay to take his pet. But none of them contemporary
accounts I read ever discuss him just taking his kid's pet.
(09:57):
I mean, aside from you know there, they're they're multiple
prongs to this fork of problems, right, Like one is
you put an animal and sealed it in a thing, yeah,
in a building. And the other is you took your
kid's pet, yeah, which is a jerk move too. All true.
When I was a kid, I had a textbook. I've
(10:18):
talked about this textbook on the show before, and people
very helpfully tried to send lay were like, was this
the textbook? And none of them were the textbook. It
was a textbook that I remember having a section that
was about like, here are things that people used to
think about life that they don't anymore, And one was
people thought that goose barnacles could become geese through spontaneous generation.
(10:40):
And I remember one of the things that they're being
that frogs and toads could live for a hundred years.
And when I was a child, I was like, why
would anyone think this? And I was very annoyed and perplexed. Yeah,
humans have thought some crazy things over the years. I
will say, if you like me, we're a cartoon kid.
(11:03):
You may be going, is this where the idea for
Michigan Jay Frog came from? And the answer is yes. Okay,
So have you remember Hello my baby, Hello my honey,
being sung by a frog who was found in a
building that was being taken apart. I didn't remember that
part of it. Oh, yeah, that's his original. His original
cartoon is where he is found by a construction worker
(11:26):
in a building and the construction worker is so excited
to show people he found this frog that dances and sings. Yeah.
Every time you would show the frog to somebody, the
frog would just sit there and go rib it and
it was amazing. I remember that part, and as soon
as you said the name, I immediately saw, like the
Hello my baby, Like I saw that whole sequence in
my head. But I did not remember the other part. Yes,
(11:48):
the other thing that is sort of related to a cartoon,
but not. I don't think that they got it from
this story, but I could be wrong. Is that apparently
will Wood called his horned lizard Blinkie, which is also
the name of the three eyed fish and the Simpsons
that Marge cooks for mister Burns when he comes to
their house for a photo op dinner, because her point
(12:10):
is that his nuclear power plant is poisoning the water
and causing mutations in the animals, and she makes him
eat this three eyed fish. There is another thing. I
didn't realize it until I was like two thirds of
the way done with the episode, but Memory Palace did
a one of their short episodes on Old Rip last fall. Yeah,
(12:31):
you know, Nate to Mayo tells the story in such
a beautiful way that I was crying about horned lizards
by the end of it, and my husband was like,
are you okay, And I was like, no, yeah, very
Nate to me, I can absolutely I have not heard
this particular episode of the Memory Palace, but I'm like, oh,
it absolutely makes sense that Nate would do that. Uh yeah,
(12:52):
so also excellent if you want sort of a very
beautifully told, more artfully shortened, an edited version of this. Yeah.
He tweeted recently like a description of the show that
was something like, it's not a poem, but it's very
poetic and has some of the same goals as poetry.
And I was like, Yeah, that's that's what we Todd
(13:12):
describe as a listener. That's how I would describe it short. Yeah.
There is another thing that comes up that I think
is fascinating in all of this, which is at various
points in time, and I didn't include them because they
often contradict one another. There have been interviews with old
timers who were part of either no longer I mean
(13:34):
they've I presume most of them are gone at this point,
but in the you know, the earlier part of the
twentieth century, who were there in eighteen ninety seven when
the building was put together and the frog slash lizard
slash toad was put inside, or people who were there
in nineteen twenty eight when it was all opened up,
and their accounts of it are fascinating because in some
(13:57):
ways they have just picked up and the legend, but
in other ways, in the midst of that, they will
give details that are completely inaccurate or just completely different
from the way that like the newspaper printed stories are
Like several of them mentioned that when the judge first
held him up for the crowd to see, which is
(14:18):
reported in all the papers as him being held by
one leg Many of the accounts from people that were
alive then are like he picked him up by the tail,
and it's like it's a small detail, but it's one
of those things where I'm like, this kind of you know,
offers insight into how much this is just like a legend,
a shared false memory that everybody eventually had. They would
(14:42):
tell you with complete integrity. I don't think any of
them were trying to fib about it that they had
seen this happen. And it's like, well, yeah, well, our
memories are sieves. I mean, they just are. They're sieves,
and they're also easy to reimprint with things that you
will believe or that you saw or that you remember,
(15:03):
but they're not really correct. I mean, I don't know
if you and your beloved go through this, Tracy, but
I know Brian and I have now been married twenty
six years. There are things that we'll talk about and
we won't get the details right, and one of us
will be like, that is not how it went, yeah,
and it'll be like, no, this is exactly what I remember,
and it's like, no, that's not quite right. And sometimes
(15:24):
there's photographic evidence to show it. No, no, we've both
done it. Memories change shift. It's fascinating. Please don't put
animals in construction. Don't do that. Please don't seal animals
in anything. Shouldn't be No. I was upset, I mean,
and so I thought, I'm the kind of person that
(15:46):
catches bees and spiders and takes them outside. We're having
an ant problem right now. I feel very guilty about
smashing the ants in my house. Me too. I do
eat meat, but I try to eat less meat, and
I try to get the meat that I eat from
farms where I know that the animals are treating kind.
I know there's some like contradiction in there, but man,
I just found the whole idea of like and then
(16:08):
we put this in there and sealed it up. I
was very upset. Like nobody was like, this is cruelty. Nobody, nobody,
not even for a second. Yeah, it's weird. But then
I presume I'm not trying to justify or explain or
excuse any of that. But I think if they genuinely
thought it was gonna live a hundred years to them,
(16:29):
it might not have seemed cruel. They're still wrong, but
I could see where they could justify it in their heads.
Is going, well, they go underground and they go to sleep,
and they go into this hibernation type state for months
at a time. Surely that's what will happen here. Yeah. Well, still, jerks,
don't do that to animals. Don't ask as a person
(16:52):
who has two pets who were found in a sealed box. No, no,
don't do that. Just don't do it. I mean it's
okay now they're very spoiled, but at the time very
scary littles. Don't do that makes me a real mad Yeah,
I uh. If we get to doctor Hornaday's biography, I'm
(17:19):
just gonna warn everybody now, it's awful. Yeah, it involves
a story that we all know. It's awful. It never
stops being awful. That's all I'm gonna say. Just racist
and awful, exactly what you expect. But on lighter news though, again,
please don't please don't put animals in sealboxes. Also, this
(17:42):
is my call to all listeners. I know some of
you have lizards as pets, and I want to see
the pictures because I love lizards, but I'm always I
would be too scared to keep one because I feel
like there's a delicacy to them. That I am scared
to mess up, you know what I mean, like in
terms of their heat needs, and they're understanding what they
(18:05):
need is a whole other job unto itself. And I
love them and think they're amazing, and I don't get
to spend enough time with them. So I would like
all the pictures you have, please thank sounds great, sounds great.
If you are headed into your weekend, we hope that
you get to spend time with whatever animals delight you,
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and that they are well treated and hugged and kissed
in the appropriate ways. If you don't get to have
time off this weekend and you have work or other responsibilities,
I hope those go smoothly. And maybe if you have
a pet, you get some time with it to you know,
rest and relax. They're very curative for people's mental states. Often.
I know I feel soothed when I can hold a
kittie for a little while. It makes everything better. So
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do whatever it is that makes you feel better this
weekend and helps keep you buoyant and as you know,
happy and healthy as possible. We will be right back
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Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson
and I'm Holly Fry and we talked about Susie King
Taylor on the show this week. Yes, indeed, she is
(00:22):
somebody who I discovered. Sometimes when I Google something, there
is often over on the left a little thing that's
like people also searched for, And I don't even remember
what I was googling, but under the people also searched for,
I saw this very striking photo and I was like,
(00:43):
who is that person? And I clicked on it and
it was Susie King Taylor, and I was immediately captivated,
and like, I want to do an episode on this person,
not just because her memoir is, as far as I know,
unique in the world of like first person writing about
civil war, but also because it shows in so many
(01:06):
different ways the resourcefulness and ingenuity and determination of enslaved
people and freed people and people who liberated themselves. I
feel like sometimes there is a perception that there was
like a passivity among enslaved people of like begrudgingly accepting
(01:27):
what was going on, which is not correct at all,
and her story just has so many ways that she
and her family were pushing back on all of that.
There was, you know, little things from having been able
to maintain these connections among themselves and having a family
(01:48):
history that they knew that went back generations, to her
forging passes for her grandmother at the age of like thirteen.
I'd feel like we should also note that they're an
ongoing and very troubling thing that happens is like black
children being interpreted as adults rather than children and news
reporting and stuff. So I don't want to fall into
(02:11):
that trope. But at the same time, the idea that
she was forging passes for her grandmother, who could not
read or write, at the age of roughly thirteen, I
found that incredible, amazing and just such a good example
of the kind of things that people did do to
try to push back and make a better life for
(02:33):
themselves in a world that was set up to not
allow that. Well, and all of it leading up to
her ability to do that, right, like that entire community
effort to have a secret school. Yeah, is enthralling to consider.
How incredibly the thing that I bring to mind is
(02:56):
not a good correlation, which is that It makes me
think of when kids are on movie sets and they're
not allowed to tell anything about it, right, It's very hard.
That's like one of the things that people will say, like,
I can't believe nothing leaked same. I mean, it's a
bunch of kids being told to read, being taught to
read and write, which is illegal, and no one can
(03:17):
know about it, and they all kept the secret, which
is amazing to me. Yeah, I wish I knew more
about what happens to the rest of her family during
the war, because her memoir makes it sound like it
was her and her uncle and her uncle's family who
all escaped ultimately to Saint Simon's Island, as she clearly
(03:40):
still had connections to her grandmother and other family members,
But I am less clear on like her immediate family,
her parents and siblings, like what happened with them during
the war. I did not read her memoir as you did,
but I found myself wondering, and this is strictly conjecture.
What made me think about it was when we got
(04:00):
to the part where she talked about her son, but
she doesn't mention him by name. It almost feels like
things that are painful she distances and doesn't talk about
Oh sure, yeah, so I can imagine whatever happened to
separate her from her immediate family, probably she didn't want
to think about. I also tried to find more information
(04:22):
about him, what his name was, what his date of
birth was, and that maybe information that exists somewhere. There's
a lot, like a lot of records of enslaved people,
previously enslaved people that like the records are just not there,
(04:43):
things were destroyed during the war, or they were never
kept in the first place, or like the records of
a family might have been an inventory of the household
of the people who were enslaving them, and you know,
if if their house was burned down during the war,
just may not be there anymore. Like there's it's hard
(05:03):
to know whether that information exists. It seems as though
her son, being born after the war was over, that
information might exist somewhere. I was not able to track
it down. If so, and that I just I found
the story of her trip to to go look after
(05:24):
him and not being able to bring it bring him
home just to heartbreaking. Yeah. In my original draft of
the outline, I had ended with her quote from the
chapter on her reflections on the current time. And then
I was like, I think that is not the note
that I want to end this episode on, because while
(05:48):
to me, that whole paragraph is still so relevant today,
so much of her story to me was about resilience
and ingenuity. That that like, I wanted to include that,
but I didn't necessarily want to end the episode there. Yeah, yeah,
I think that's fair. I do want to mention I'm
(06:09):
presuming that the picture that you're talking about that caught
your eye is the only one I've ever seen of her,
a photograph where she's in that black it looks almost
like a morning suit with a veil. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
in love with that jacket. Yeah, I've only seen it.
I've only seen one other picture that is was labeled
(06:29):
as being of her, and I really it can be
hard sometimes to tell whether two different pictures of the
same person are the same person. Like there's so much
about lighting and camera angles and how people's faces change
at different parts of their life, Like it can be hard.
But I was like, I'm not This picture is the
picture from her book with her signature under it in
(06:52):
a lot of places that you find it printed, But
like this other picture did not have that kind of framing,
and I was like, I'm not sure if that's the
same person or not. Maybe maybe not, don't really know.
One story that I had had in the outline that
I took out just because it was it wasn't central
(07:14):
to the story and the episode itself was sort of ballooning,
was that she and other folks like from the camp
had been moved to a new location and she had
left some of her things where they had previously been stationed,
and she went back for her stuff, and she and
a friend caught a ride with the commissary wagon to
(07:35):
get out there, and then they were just going to
walk back, and the walk back turned out to take
way longer than they thought, so long and so tiring,
and she was like, our feet hurt so much that
we took our shoes off to see if that would help,
and that actually made it worse. And it got dark
and we just everybody, we were like, what's going to happen.
(07:56):
We got to the camp, we didn't have the pass
code to get back in because we didn't know we
were going to be gone for that long. We you know,
the guard though, knew who we were, they you know,
and let us in and from that point on the
soldiers would make jokes about her being a deserter. And
(08:17):
I just found that, like the finding humor in this
whole situation and it continuing to find humor in it.
I loved that. So I was like, I'll talk about
that on Friday instead of having it sort of an
aside in the middle of this otherwise not focused on
that exact thing episode. Yeah, I love it though. Yeah,
(08:40):
I'm sure grateful. She wrote her autobiography Me Too. It
is digitized. You can read the whole thing online. There's
been kind of a push in the last few years
to make her better known, which I think is great.
(09:06):
We talked about Old Ribbon this week. We did. We did.
I Yeah, I did not know what this was at
all when you sent this outline to me. Oh, I'm
so glad. I'm like, we're getting along. And I just
got to the part where and then they put a
horrid lizard in the time capsule and I was like,
I'm sorry, you did what I'm at now. Yeah, I
(09:30):
mean that part is tricky, and it's interesting because some
of the modern retellings try to soften what that is,
where they're like, no, he explained to his son that
lizards live for a hundred years, and so it was
okay to take his pet. But none of them contemporary
accounts I read ever discuss him just taking his kid's pet.
(09:57):
I mean, aside from you know there, they're they're multiple
prongs to this fork of problems, right, Like one is
you put an animal and sealed it in a thing, yeah,
in a building. And the other is you took your
kid's pet, yeah, which is a jerk move too. All true.
When I was a kid, I had a textbook. I've
(10:18):
talked about this textbook on the show before, and people
very helpfully tried to send lay were like, was this
the textbook? And none of them were the textbook. It
was a textbook that I remember having a section that
was about like, here are things that people used to
think about life that they don't anymore, And one was
people thought that goose barnacles could become geese through spontaneous generation.
(10:40):
And I remember one of the things that they're being
that frogs and toads could live for a hundred years.
And when I was a child, I was like, why
would anyone think this? And I was very annoyed and perplexed. Yeah,
humans have thought some crazy things over the years. I
will say, if you like me, we're a cartoon kid.
(11:03):
You may be going, is this where the idea for
Michigan Jay Frog came from? And the answer is yes. Okay,
So have you remember Hello my baby, Hello my honey,
being sung by a frog who was found in a
building that was being taken apart. I didn't remember that
part of it. Oh, yeah, that's his original. His original
cartoon is where he is found by a construction worker
(11:26):
in a building and the construction worker is so excited
to show people he found this frog that dances and sings. Yeah.
Every time you would show the frog to somebody, the
frog would just sit there and go rib it and
it was amazing. I remember that part, and as soon
as you said the name, I immediately saw, like the
Hello my baby, Like I saw that whole sequence in
my head. But I did not remember the other part. Yes,
(11:48):
the other thing that is sort of related to a cartoon,
but not. I don't think that they got it from
this story, but I could be wrong. Is that apparently
will Wood called his horned lizard Blinkie, which is also
the name of the three eyed fish and the Simpsons
that Marge cooks for mister Burns when he comes to
their house for a photo op dinner, because her point
(12:10):
is that his nuclear power plant is poisoning the water
and causing mutations in the animals, and she makes him
eat this three eyed fish. There is another thing. I
didn't realize it until I was like two thirds of
the way done with the episode, but Memory Palace did
a one of their short episodes on Old Rip last fall. Yeah,
(12:31):
you know, Nate to Mayo tells the story in such
a beautiful way that I was crying about horned lizards
by the end of it, and my husband was like,
are you okay, And I was like, no, yeah, very
Nate to me, I can absolutely I have not heard
this particular episode of the Memory Palace, but I'm like, oh,
it absolutely makes sense that Nate would do that. Uh yeah,
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so also excellent if you want sort of a very
beautifully told, more artfully shortened, an edited version of this. Yeah.
He tweeted recently like a description of the show that
was something like, it's not a poem, but it's very
poetic and has some of the same goals as poetry.
And I was like, Yeah, that's that's what we Todd
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describe as a listener. That's how I would describe it short. Yeah.
There is another thing that comes up that I think
is fascinating in all of this, which is at various
points in time, and I didn't include them because they
often contradict one another. There have been interviews with old
timers who were part of either no longer I mean
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they've I presume most of them are gone at this point,
but in the you know, the earlier part of the
twentieth century, who were there in eighteen ninety seven when
the building was put together and the frog slash lizard
slash toad was put inside, or people who were there
in nineteen twenty eight when it was all opened up,
and their accounts of it are fascinating because in some
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ways they have just picked up and the legend, but
in other ways, in the midst of that, they will
give details that are completely inaccurate or just completely different
from the way that like the newspaper printed stories are
Like several of them mentioned that when the judge first
held him up for the crowd to see, which is
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reported in all the papers as him being held by
one leg Many of the accounts from people that were
alive then are like he picked him up by the tail,
and it's like it's a small detail, but it's one
of those things where I'm like, this kind of you know,
offers insight into how much this is just like a legend,
a shared false memory that everybody eventually had. They would
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tell you with complete integrity. I don't think any of
them were trying to fib about it that they had
seen this happen. And it's like, well, yeah, well, our
memories are sieves. I mean, they just are. They're sieves,
and they're also easy to reimprint with things that you
will believe or that you saw or that you remember,
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but they're not really correct. I mean, I don't know
if you and your beloved go through this, Tracy, but
I know Brian and I have now been married twenty
six years. There are things that we'll talk about and
we won't get the details right, and one of us
will be like, that is not how it went, yeah,
and it'll be like, no, this is exactly what I remember,
and it's like, no, that's not quite right. And sometimes
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there's photographic evidence to show it. No, no, we've both
done it. Memories change shift. It's fascinating. Please don't put
animals in construction. Don't do that. Please don't seal animals
in anything. Shouldn't be No. I was upset, I mean,
and so I thought, I'm the kind of person that
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catches bees and spiders and takes them outside. We're having
an ant problem right now. I feel very guilty about
smashing the ants in my house. Me too. I do
eat meat, but I try to eat less meat, and
I try to get the meat that I eat from
farms where I know that the animals are treating kind.
I know there's some like contradiction in there, but man,
I just found the whole idea of like and then
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we put this in there and sealed it up. I
was very upset. Like nobody was like, this is cruelty. Nobody, nobody,
not even for a second. Yeah, it's weird. But then
I presume I'm not trying to justify or explain or
excuse any of that. But I think if they genuinely
thought it was gonna live a hundred years to them,
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it might not have seemed cruel. They're still wrong, but
I could see where they could justify it in their heads.
Is going, well, they go underground and they go to sleep,
and they go into this hibernation type state for months
at a time. Surely that's what will happen here. Yeah. Well, still, jerks,
don't do that to animals. Don't ask as a person
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who has two pets who were found in a sealed box. No, no,
don't do that. Just don't do it. I mean it's
okay now they're very spoiled, but at the time very
scary littles. Don't do that makes me a real mad Yeah,
I uh. If we get to doctor Hornaday's biography, I'm
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just gonna warn everybody now, it's awful. Yeah, it involves
a story that we all know. It's awful. It never
stops being awful. That's all I'm gonna say. Just racist
and awful, exactly what you expect. But on lighter news though, again,
please don't please don't put animals in sealboxes. Also, this
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is my call to all listeners. I know some of
you have lizards as pets, and I want to see
the pictures because I love lizards, but I'm always I
would be too scared to keep one because I feel
like there's a delicacy to them. That I am scared
to mess up, you know what I mean, like in
terms of their heat needs, and they're understanding what they
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need is a whole other job unto itself. And I
love them and think they're amazing, and I don't get
to spend enough time with them. So I would like
all the pictures you have, please thank sounds great, sounds great.
If you are headed into your weekend, we hope that
you get to spend time with whatever animals delight you,
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and that they are well treated and hugged and kissed
in the appropriate ways. If you don't get to have
time off this weekend and you have work or other responsibilities,
I hope those go smoothly. And maybe if you have
a pet, you get some time with it to you know,
rest and relax. They're very curative for people's mental states. Often.
I know I feel soothed when I can hold a
kittie for a little while. It makes everything better. So
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do whatever it is that makes you feel better this
weekend and helps keep you buoyant and as you know,
happy and healthy as possible. We will be right back
here tomorrow with a classic episode, and then on Monday
you'll get another new piece of old history. Stuff you
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