October 3, 2025 • 24 mins
Tracy shares a story about getting poor directions from GPS. Holly talks about her theory regarding William Outlaw's confession, and both hosts discuss the spiders in their yards.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy D. Wilson
and I'm Holly Frye. We had our second ever installment
of eponymous diseases this week, on lime disease, West Nile virus,
(00:24):
and Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I had a long there's
a longer list of tick and insect born diseases that
are eponymous in some way, and I didn't do this
on purpose, but I wound up choosing three that are
personally relevant to me because I grew up in North Carolina,
(00:47):
one of the states where Rocky Mountain spotted fever is
the most prevalent. I now live in Massachusetts, where there's
a lot of lime disease. And also every year we
start having reports of West Noile virus, including detections of birds.
We as a society check where West now happened is
happening by testing birds in a lot of cases. But
(01:10):
then we also have had cases in humans the last
few years. And I think I already said lime disease
hilariously as I was doing the lime research and I
got to the part about how they're the advocacy of
these two moms for their families led to a study
(01:30):
that was carried out in Old Lime, Lime and East Hatham, Connecticut.
That is the neighborhood where a number of people I
know live and including people who live specifically in East HadAM.
And I went to visit them in East HadAM last
winter and my GPS directions were wrong, and the GPS
(01:57):
directions led me down a road at vehicle traffic should
not have been on. After some conversations about this over
the weekend, I have decided that it might have been
intended as a snowmobile trail because there were moguls on it.
And I was like, I don't understand why moguls would
be here, but if it's a snowmobile trail or maybe
(02:19):
like a like a like a mountain biking trail, like
that would make a lot more sense. A car should
not have been on it. But when I got to
the part about how there were these clusters of lime
disease on specific roads, I was like, you know what
road I've been on? That seems like a road where
people could have gotten a lot of lime disease that road.
When I tried to drive to East Atham, from Massachusetts.
(02:44):
It was bad enough that I filed reports with Google
about the directions being incorrect and how they should not
be sending cars down that road. Yeah. I try to
respect the place of all forms of life in the ecosys,
but I am not a fan of mosquitoes or ticks.
I told you when we started this, I had disease Helarty,
(03:07):
and I sort of do. One is just an offhander
that our mutual friend that I love very dearly, do
you know, she had wes Nile though, And it was
like so cavalier because she had been really really sick
for a while and we used too many moons ago
(03:27):
when we were still in our apartment. Every Friday night
we would have people over to just do crafty things.
And she had been sick for a while and she
had missed a couple and she kept going to the
doctor and they couldn't figure out what was going on.
And I had, you know, brought stuff over to her
house for her to eat and whatnot, and we were
trying to be really careful because we didn't know what
she had and if it was contagious, right, And then
she finally showed up a Kraft night one night and
(03:48):
was like, apparently I just have wes Nile and there's
nothing they can do for it. Oh she was like,
it's literally like the protocol that you would have for
like a colder flu of like lwid's electrolytes rests. She's fine. Now,
that was years and years ago. Yeah. The truly funny one, okay,
(04:10):
is how I came to be perceived by my beloved's
family early in our marriage, because, as listeners probably know,
we got married very quickly, so like the first several
years of our marriage was kind of like us constantly
meeting each other's people in their lives and like being like,
who is this person you married? And we had gone
(04:31):
to visit his family in the fairly rural area and
we were outside at one point and I looked down
and there with a tick on me, and I was
like God, and I freaked down, slapped it off, and
I was like, I want to get lyme disease. And
that is how I came to be known as Brian's
pressy city wife. Oh goodness, wow, it almost strikes me
(04:57):
as so funny to tell people that I'm Brian's prissy
cityway literally that phrase, because I don't because I'm especially prissy, no,
and I you know, I feel like not going to
tick off you, especially before. Very reasonable to me. Yeah,
when I was a child growing up in North Carolina,
(05:17):
I did not know any of these this history about
Rocky Mountain spotted fever. It was weird to me that
my mom was worried about Rocky Mountain spotted fever because
I understood that the Rocky Mountains were far away from
where we lived, right and I was so like as
a kid, I sort of thought that my mom was
just being anxious about things, which my mom was anxious.
(05:41):
But anytime she pulled a tick off of me or
my brother, which did happen relatively often, because you know,
we lived in the country, we were outside a lot,
and we also had a dog, And whenever she pulled
a tick off of one of us, she would write
the date on the calendars smart and so that if
we developed weird symptoms, she would have the tick bite
(06:05):
noted on the calendar, which is incredibly smart. My mom
extremely smart about a lot of disease prevention things in
our lives. I to my knowledge, yeah, I don't think
I ever I ever had any kind of like illness
after a tick bite that led to any concerns about
Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I did, however, when I was
(06:27):
in drum Corps and we were practicing outside, you know,
on an athletic field all day long. Not really in
tall grass or anything like that, but like, we were
outside all day long for a lot of the day.
My roommate, one of my roommates in the drum corps
that I was in over the summer, got Rocky Mountain
spotted fever and she had to quit because she was
(06:51):
She needed to be treated and was It's an incredibly
physically demanding thing to be in a drum corp. She
was not well enough to do it. And I remember
that staff being like, yeah, so she has Rocky Mountain
spotted fever, she has to quit. She probably got it here,
so check yourself for tics. This is why I'm an
(07:11):
indoor baby. I can't remember if I've talked about this
in the show before. I might have when we've talked
about sunscreen before. I especially if I have a brief
outing to make into the sunlight. I have very fair skin.
It is best for me to wear sunblock. I hate
putting it on and then feeling like sunblock all day,
(07:34):
and so I started wearing clothing that is sun protective clothing,
and that has the double the additional effect of making
it a little harder for ticks and mosquitoes to get
at you. Uh yeah, so yeah, when I mowed the lawn,
I look like a crazy Victorian clown. I have so
(07:57):
many layers of clothing going all the way down all
of my limbs. I don't care that it's hot out
and I'm turning into some sort of human soup inside.
I don't want anything biting me. I don't know. I also,
I also have a bugnet that goes over my hat
that a lot of time like it is a little
(08:19):
annoying to have on. So I kind of wait until
I get to where I'm hiking and see what the
what the bug situation is, and if it's very buggy,
I will put the bug net over my hat to
avoid any insect bites around my face and neck and
just having them swarming my face all the time. I
(08:39):
hate that. Do not enjoyed No. We mentioned in the
episode that there is there are clinical trials going on
for a lime vaccine. Yeah, I signed up to be
part of that trial. Nice I got through the initial
phone screening part, and at that point the close places
(09:01):
to me to do the actual like going blood work,
get the you know all of that. They were far
from me and it was going to be like an
hour to an hour and a half to get to
the place, and that was something that it was going
to need to be like go back repeatedly for the
ongoing study. And they were in planning to set up
(09:24):
a site that was going to be I think in
walking distance for me, and I was like, that would
be amazing. And eventually they did not wind up doing that,
so I did not wind up being part of that study.
But I think that was the first time that I
have signed up to try to be a clinical in
a clinical trial of something because yes, I would like
to have a vaccine for lime disease. Yeah, even if
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it were a seventy five percent effective vaccine, that's actually
pretty good. People think about the twenty five percent, but
not so much about the seventy five percent is a lot,
especially if you're combining it with other strategies to lower
your risk of being bitten by ticks. Yeah, for sure.
I have a friend whose grandfather is a hunter and
(10:07):
had not been feeling well and finally went to the
doctor and I don't know what all he was diagnosed with,
but they described him as having a constellation of tickborn illnesses.
See this is my nightmare. Yeah, because if you're I mean,
if you're a situation, a lifestyle, a place, whatever, that
(10:29):
you are likely going to be bitten by ticks. It's
very easy to get more than one tick born illness
that way. I think the last thing that I had
on my list of things to talk about behind the
scenes is just banned. So many people who were researching
these vector born diseases before there were treatments for them,
(10:50):
got the diseases and die. Yeah, so many. Yeah, I
was not quite prepared for the number as I was
working on the episode want me to land us on
a silly note, Yeah, let's do that. Didn't you know
that there's a reference to dangay fever in Star Wars No.
(11:13):
In the Force Awakens in Ma's Kanada's Castle where all
the aliens are I e always my favorite scene in
every Star Wars film, Give Me the Bar Full of Aliens.
There are three very mosquito looking characters sitting at a
table together and they are officially the Danae sisters. That's funny.
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I love them so much. I have another funny thing
that I can end on that is not about any
of these particular not anything that was mentioned in the episode,
but I I went to do a travel medicine visit
and in preparation for our trip to Morocco, and the
doctor was telling me about how try to avoid being
bitten by insects same as here, because there are I
(11:59):
can't if she said sandflies or sand fleas, but it
is a biting insect. And she's like, if you have
like a sore that doesn't seem to be getting better
and you're back in the United States, if you need
to go to the doctor, like you really, you're gonna
need to mention your travel history because there is something
you can get called Leishmania. And my face kind of
(12:20):
lit up a little bit, and she was like, Oh,
are you a clinician, And I said no, I'm just
interested in things because I have heard of what I
had heard it referenced as Leischmaniasis as a thing that
was transmitted by insect bites and can lead to a
range of different disease presentations, including one that is visceral leishmaniasis,
(12:44):
which is very bad. But the fact that the doctor's
immediate assumption was that maybe I was a clinician and
not just a person who is fascinated by illnesses. It
made me laugh a little bit. I mean, you like, doctor,
have you heard of nerds? It's a very common condition
(13:05):
if I want to Yeah, yeah, we're around. We talked
about Alice Kitler this week. Really that story becomes about
Richard L. Dread more than her. Yeah, and also about
Petronilla even more than her, and kill Kenny. Okay, first
of all, can I just tell you the Kitler in
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is now on my bucket list of places I want
to go visit because yeah, really charming. It's Their website
talks about like the way that building has gone through
many changes over the years and how it got updated.
And then I think the person that owns it now
has had it since I'm going by memory, so I
could be wrong. Nineteen eighty six and they renovated it
(13:49):
by taking it back to the stone walls that it
had originally. They have been covered over with like paneling
and stuff. They have they have kind of refurbished it
in a state closer to its original but with modern
conveniences like plumbing and whatnot and electricity. But it looks
really darling and I absolutely want to go there. They also,
you know, will do events there. So part of me
(14:11):
is like, how can I host a party and kill
Kenny and how many people will come? Three? Cool? I
love it. I have many feelings about William's confession, in particular, Yeah,
because this whole story really becomes la Dred gets shut
down and he keeps going, and then the next person
(14:32):
higher up goes, dude, you got to drop this, and
he goes no, and keeps going, and then it keeps happening,
and so finally when they get to this moment where William,
who has shown up in a full suit of armor, confesses,
I believe in my soul that was just like, fine,
give the baby his bottle. I did it. I did it,
Like I really think it is in no way him
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going You're right, I am a heretic. I have been
harboring witches because he didn't initially do any of the
things that he was supposed to do as his punishment.
I really think it was just like, yes, yes, Bishop Ledred,
You're so right. I really am a heretic. Great, great, great, great, great,
Can we move on? I really think that's what it was.
(15:18):
Put William Outlaw on my list of people to visit
in our time machine, because yeah, were you just trying
to placate this dude who just could not deal with
himself or anyone else. That's my theory. It is interesting
to mean this and the next episode will do really
or the next one that I have been working on,
(15:39):
I don't know if it will fall right after this
one in the order, but they really do establish a
lot how much the fervor around witchcraft in Europe that
led to the witch trials all around the Western world
really start in the Avignon papacy. Oh yeah, that's for they,
(16:04):
And it really does seem like it is more than
any actual concern about people's eternal souls or their bodies
being possessed. Is about a political tool for power. Yeah,
and that's I mean, we've always known that that's part
of it. But when you look at like how this,
(16:26):
you know, if you make the Charlie Day chart the Orkshop,
all of the strings go back to the Avignon papacy.
It seems. Yeah, we have a number of episodes that
have been about which trials and which hunters and which
panics and so many of them, like there are other
(16:47):
social and political issues at play, and a lot of
times some other kind of major unrest, yes, like some
other upheaval underlying all of it. One of the things
that I'm working on now that I barely have started on,
I think is going to have some similar themes. We're
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also going to talk about this a lot in the
next one that I'm working with. Yeah, yeah, it's one
of the running thing things of like all of the
witch panics and the yeah, all of that. I also
just want to say how happy I am that it's October. Yeah, listen,
(17:29):
I need Halloween this year. I needed I know, Dan,
I need. It's so bad. I've been so crabby, so
angry all the time. And this will be just me
personally sharing about my life. So I think I mentioned
a while back that for a while, because of av
and flu, people were being advised not to feed their
(17:52):
backyard flocks, right, which that has been rolled back because
it's more like if you have waterfowl. But I just
because I've been so busy, have not picked up my
usual bird feeding cycle that I would normally do every day,
and as a consequence, that means that this year we
have so many juro spiders. I love it. Oh, it's
(18:13):
like they prey decorated for me. My husband, bless him,
does not love it, but he's being a very good
sport about that. Yeah, but I love them so much,
and I name them the ones that live around our yard,
at least the ones that are close to the house
that I can identify in their separate locales, because like,
if you look up, we have some very tall trees
(18:34):
on the side and back of our house, and if
you look up, it is like a New York high
rise in there. There's so many spiders living in there. Yeah, hundreds,
probably thousands. I can't name them all. But I do
have Julia that hangs out in the windows by our
kitchen on our deck. Yeah, and she's getting bigger and bigger,
(18:54):
and there has become this hilarious thing that happens where
the cat in our house is these days. That is
the most like me in behavior. Sits on the cat
tree and watches that spider. Old, you really are a
chip off the old block. I was on vacation last
(19:23):
week and where we were staying is surrounded by woods.
You have to drive for a little bit before you
get to something that you could call a town. And
there was a beautiful I didn't look closely enough. I
missed my opportunity. There was a beautiful some kind of
orb weaver that had made a web on the path
(19:44):
out to like a fire pit that's behind the house.
Somebody had pointed it out, and I was like, Oh,
that's I'm going to come look. I'm like, I'm look
at it tomorrow. And I'm not sure if we just
created a lot more traffic back and forth across that
path and the spider was like no thanks, or if
perhaps nature happened and a bird a bird had a meal.
(20:09):
Either way, or we were no longer there so I
didn't get to get a closer look figure out exactly
what kind of spider it was. Yeah, yeah, birds. We
started feeding the birds on the deck to keep the
spider population down for Brian's peace of mind. Sure doesn't
enjoy the spiders, but like I said, I'm slowly, I'm
(20:30):
slowly giving him immersion immunity I can, because they really
are just everywhere around the house right now, which is fine. Yeah.
I make little videos of them when I go out
to work in the yard or more the lawn and
web connects to something on the ground. I don't mow
in that spot, so they're weird little outcroppings of the
unmowed area in our yard that are yeahs are anchored.
(20:53):
When I lived in the Atlanta area, my yard also
had a lot of spiders. But the lot of spiders
I had were black widows, Yeah, which are very beautiful.
But we used to get a lot more of those,
and we just they have stopped happening. I think they
have largely gotten eaten by a growing lizard population. Okay,
(21:16):
I could be wrong, and I don't worry so much
about black widows for me because they're unlikely to hurt
most humans. Yeah, I was not afraid of them, but
there were a lot. Yeah, but they can, just because
of proportions of body weight, be a little more of
a concern for cats. So I don't want them in
(21:38):
the house. Sure, but yeah, yeah, I don't think I
ever saw one at the house. And I became aware
that this was a problem. I had broken my leg
and being a person who can't ask for help, all
of my plants and whatnot died because I could not
get out there to take care of them. And I
was doing clean up on all of my sad plants
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and I picked up I had this little planter that
was was shaped kind of like a wagon and it
had multiple potted plants and it had a pot that
I had intended to plant something in but that had
not happened. And I picked it up and it was
full of like leafy debris, kind of spider webby looking
stuff and I was like, oh, this is like a
(22:22):
great place for a black widow spider. Ha ha ha.
And I dumped it out onto the ground and there
was a black widow spider and I was like, oh, hi,
I just like, girl, you just messed up my house.
There were a lot of them. I never I did
not have problems really with bugs inside the house. I
had somebody come and treat the house quarterly, and he
commented and said in a very had a lovely accent
(22:44):
that I don't want to try to replicate. But he
just came back in one day and said, Ms. Wilson,
you have a lot of spiders. I was like, yeah,
I know, I know. See we have a quarterly bug
person to who I'm al was like, you're not going
to hurt the spiders, right, He says that it will
not hurt. No, I'm sure some spiders get hurt by
the whole process. But we try, we try, we try. Yeah,
(23:09):
our current spider load in the house is all in
the basement, and I did not realize quite how spidery
the basement had gotten until we had somebody come do
a plumbing thing and I was gesturing. I was like,
then that's the pipe where the Oh sorry, there is
so much spider web here. I'm I'm the person who's like,
(23:30):
please don't hurt that spider. Don't I'm like, caution tape
around the spot. Please don't mess with the spiders when
you come to that. Yeah, I'm sure I'm on a
list somewhere of like every service person that might need
to come to our house where they're like, this is
the craziest spider lady. Yeah, you don't like spiders, do
not take this job in any case. But it's spider
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season and I'm happy about it because I really need
the joy of beautiful spiders. If you do not like spiders,
I'm sorry that we've had so much a brilliant spider talk,
but I really do love them. I think they're so elegant,
and they're such architects, and they're just they're high achievers
and they're beautiful. So apologies if that's not your jam.
But now that it's Halloween season, I hope all of
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us who love Halloween can grasp a little extra joy
right now. I think everybody needs some. And if you're
not a Halloween person, I'm sorry, but I hope whatever
brings you joy is abundant in your life, because you
deserve joy too. We will be right back here tomorrow
with a classic episode, and then on Monday we're going
(24:34):
to have something brand new and it's still Halloween season.
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Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy D. Wilson
and I'm Holly Frye. We had our second ever installment
of eponymous diseases this week, on lime disease, West Nile virus,
(00:24):
and Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I had a long there's
a longer list of tick and insect born diseases that
are eponymous in some way, and I didn't do this
on purpose, but I wound up choosing three that are
personally relevant to me because I grew up in North Carolina,
(00:47):
one of the states where Rocky Mountain spotted fever is
the most prevalent. I now live in Massachusetts, where there's
a lot of lime disease. And also every year we
start having reports of West Noile virus, including detections of birds.
We as a society check where West now happened is
happening by testing birds in a lot of cases. But
(01:10):
then we also have had cases in humans the last
few years. And I think I already said lime disease
hilariously as I was doing the lime research and I
got to the part about how they're the advocacy of
these two moms for their families led to a study
(01:30):
that was carried out in Old Lime, Lime and East Hatham, Connecticut.
That is the neighborhood where a number of people I
know live and including people who live specifically in East HadAM.
And I went to visit them in East HadAM last
winter and my GPS directions were wrong, and the GPS
(01:57):
directions led me down a road at vehicle traffic should
not have been on. After some conversations about this over
the weekend, I have decided that it might have been
intended as a snowmobile trail because there were moguls on it.
And I was like, I don't understand why moguls would
be here, but if it's a snowmobile trail or maybe
(02:19):
like a like a like a mountain biking trail, like
that would make a lot more sense. A car should
not have been on it. But when I got to
the part about how there were these clusters of lime
disease on specific roads, I was like, you know what
road I've been on? That seems like a road where
people could have gotten a lot of lime disease that road.
When I tried to drive to East Atham, from Massachusetts.
(02:44):
It was bad enough that I filed reports with Google
about the directions being incorrect and how they should not
be sending cars down that road. Yeah. I try to
respect the place of all forms of life in the ecosys,
but I am not a fan of mosquitoes or ticks.
I told you when we started this, I had disease Helarty,
(03:07):
and I sort of do. One is just an offhander
that our mutual friend that I love very dearly, do
you know, she had wes Nile though, And it was
like so cavalier because she had been really really sick
for a while and we used too many moons ago
(03:27):
when we were still in our apartment. Every Friday night
we would have people over to just do crafty things.
And she had been sick for a while and she
had missed a couple and she kept going to the
doctor and they couldn't figure out what was going on.
And I had, you know, brought stuff over to her
house for her to eat and whatnot, and we were
trying to be really careful because we didn't know what
she had and if it was contagious, right, And then
she finally showed up a Kraft night one night and
(03:48):
was like, apparently I just have wes Nile and there's
nothing they can do for it. Oh she was like,
it's literally like the protocol that you would have for
like a colder flu of like lwid's electrolytes rests. She's fine. Now,
that was years and years ago. Yeah. The truly funny one, okay,
(04:10):
is how I came to be perceived by my beloved's
family early in our marriage, because, as listeners probably know,
we got married very quickly, so like the first several
years of our marriage was kind of like us constantly
meeting each other's people in their lives and like being like,
who is this person you married? And we had gone
(04:31):
to visit his family in the fairly rural area and
we were outside at one point and I looked down
and there with a tick on me, and I was
like God, and I freaked down, slapped it off, and
I was like, I want to get lyme disease. And
that is how I came to be known as Brian's
pressy city wife. Oh goodness, wow, it almost strikes me
(04:57):
as so funny to tell people that I'm Brian's prissy
cityway literally that phrase, because I don't because I'm especially prissy, no,
and I you know, I feel like not going to
tick off you, especially before. Very reasonable to me. Yeah,
when I was a child growing up in North Carolina,
(05:17):
I did not know any of these this history about
Rocky Mountain spotted fever. It was weird to me that
my mom was worried about Rocky Mountain spotted fever because
I understood that the Rocky Mountains were far away from
where we lived, right and I was so like as
a kid, I sort of thought that my mom was
just being anxious about things, which my mom was anxious.
(05:41):
But anytime she pulled a tick off of me or
my brother, which did happen relatively often, because you know,
we lived in the country, we were outside a lot,
and we also had a dog, And whenever she pulled
a tick off of one of us, she would write
the date on the calendars smart and so that if
we developed weird symptoms, she would have the tick bite
(06:05):
noted on the calendar, which is incredibly smart. My mom
extremely smart about a lot of disease prevention things in
our lives. I to my knowledge, yeah, I don't think
I ever I ever had any kind of like illness
after a tick bite that led to any concerns about
Rocky Mountain spotted fever. I did, however, when I was
(06:27):
in drum Corps and we were practicing outside, you know,
on an athletic field all day long. Not really in
tall grass or anything like that, but like, we were
outside all day long for a lot of the day.
My roommate, one of my roommates in the drum corps
that I was in over the summer, got Rocky Mountain
spotted fever and she had to quit because she was
(06:51):
She needed to be treated and was It's an incredibly
physically demanding thing to be in a drum corp. She
was not well enough to do it. And I remember
that staff being like, yeah, so she has Rocky Mountain
spotted fever, she has to quit. She probably got it here,
so check yourself for tics. This is why I'm an
(07:11):
indoor baby. I can't remember if I've talked about this
in the show before. I might have when we've talked
about sunscreen before. I especially if I have a brief
outing to make into the sunlight. I have very fair skin.
It is best for me to wear sunblock. I hate
putting it on and then feeling like sunblock all day,
(07:34):
and so I started wearing clothing that is sun protective clothing,
and that has the double the additional effect of making
it a little harder for ticks and mosquitoes to get
at you. Uh yeah, so yeah, when I mowed the lawn,
I look like a crazy Victorian clown. I have so
(07:57):
many layers of clothing going all the way down all
of my limbs. I don't care that it's hot out
and I'm turning into some sort of human soup inside.
I don't want anything biting me. I don't know. I also,
I also have a bugnet that goes over my hat
that a lot of time like it is a little
(08:19):
annoying to have on. So I kind of wait until
I get to where I'm hiking and see what the
what the bug situation is, and if it's very buggy,
I will put the bug net over my hat to
avoid any insect bites around my face and neck and
just having them swarming my face all the time. I
(08:39):
hate that. Do not enjoyed No. We mentioned in the
episode that there is there are clinical trials going on
for a lime vaccine. Yeah, I signed up to be
part of that trial. Nice I got through the initial
phone screening part, and at that point the close places
(09:01):
to me to do the actual like going blood work,
get the you know all of that. They were far
from me and it was going to be like an
hour to an hour and a half to get to
the place, and that was something that it was going
to need to be like go back repeatedly for the
ongoing study. And they were in planning to set up
(09:24):
a site that was going to be I think in
walking distance for me, and I was like, that would
be amazing. And eventually they did not wind up doing that,
so I did not wind up being part of that study.
But I think that was the first time that I
have signed up to try to be a clinical in
a clinical trial of something because yes, I would like
to have a vaccine for lime disease. Yeah, even if
(09:45):
it were a seventy five percent effective vaccine, that's actually
pretty good. People think about the twenty five percent, but
not so much about the seventy five percent is a lot,
especially if you're combining it with other strategies to lower
your risk of being bitten by ticks. Yeah, for sure.
I have a friend whose grandfather is a hunter and
(10:07):
had not been feeling well and finally went to the
doctor and I don't know what all he was diagnosed with,
but they described him as having a constellation of tickborn illnesses.
See this is my nightmare. Yeah, because if you're I mean,
if you're a situation, a lifestyle, a place, whatever, that
(10:29):
you are likely going to be bitten by ticks. It's
very easy to get more than one tick born illness
that way. I think the last thing that I had
on my list of things to talk about behind the
scenes is just banned. So many people who were researching
these vector born diseases before there were treatments for them,
(10:50):
got the diseases and die. Yeah, so many. Yeah, I
was not quite prepared for the number as I was
working on the episode want me to land us on
a silly note, Yeah, let's do that. Didn't you know
that there's a reference to dangay fever in Star Wars No.
(11:13):
In the Force Awakens in Ma's Kanada's Castle where all
the aliens are I e always my favorite scene in
every Star Wars film, Give Me the Bar Full of Aliens.
There are three very mosquito looking characters sitting at a
table together and they are officially the Danae sisters. That's funny.
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I love them so much. I have another funny thing
that I can end on that is not about any
of these particular not anything that was mentioned in the episode,
but I I went to do a travel medicine visit
and in preparation for our trip to Morocco, and the
doctor was telling me about how try to avoid being
bitten by insects same as here, because there are I
(11:59):
can't if she said sandflies or sand fleas, but it
is a biting insect. And she's like, if you have
like a sore that doesn't seem to be getting better
and you're back in the United States, if you need
to go to the doctor, like you really, you're gonna
need to mention your travel history because there is something
you can get called Leishmania. And my face kind of
(12:20):
lit up a little bit, and she was like, Oh,
are you a clinician, And I said no, I'm just
interested in things because I have heard of what I
had heard it referenced as Leischmaniasis as a thing that
was transmitted by insect bites and can lead to a
range of different disease presentations, including one that is visceral leishmaniasis,
(12:44):
which is very bad. But the fact that the doctor's
immediate assumption was that maybe I was a clinician and
not just a person who is fascinated by illnesses. It
made me laugh a little bit. I mean, you like, doctor,
have you heard of nerds? It's a very common condition
(13:05):
if I want to Yeah, yeah, we're around. We talked
about Alice Kitler this week. Really that story becomes about
Richard L. Dread more than her. Yeah, and also about
Petronilla even more than her, and kill Kenny. Okay, first
of all, can I just tell you the Kitler in
(13:28):
is now on my bucket list of places I want
to go visit because yeah, really charming. It's Their website
talks about like the way that building has gone through
many changes over the years and how it got updated.
And then I think the person that owns it now
has had it since I'm going by memory, so I
could be wrong. Nineteen eighty six and they renovated it
(13:49):
by taking it back to the stone walls that it
had originally. They have been covered over with like paneling
and stuff. They have they have kind of refurbished it
in a state closer to its original but with modern
conveniences like plumbing and whatnot and electricity. But it looks
really darling and I absolutely want to go there. They also,
you know, will do events there. So part of me
(14:11):
is like, how can I host a party and kill
Kenny and how many people will come? Three? Cool? I
love it. I have many feelings about William's confession, in particular, Yeah,
because this whole story really becomes la Dred gets shut
down and he keeps going, and then the next person
(14:32):
higher up goes, dude, you got to drop this, and
he goes no, and keeps going, and then it keeps happening,
and so finally when they get to this moment where William,
who has shown up in a full suit of armor, confesses,
I believe in my soul that was just like, fine,
give the baby his bottle. I did it. I did it,
Like I really think it is in no way him
(14:54):
going You're right, I am a heretic. I have been
harboring witches because he didn't initially do any of the
things that he was supposed to do as his punishment.
I really think it was just like, yes, yes, Bishop Ledred,
You're so right. I really am a heretic. Great, great, great, great, great,
Can we move on? I really think that's what it was.
(15:18):
Put William Outlaw on my list of people to visit
in our time machine, because yeah, were you just trying
to placate this dude who just could not deal with
himself or anyone else. That's my theory. It is interesting
to mean this and the next episode will do really
or the next one that I have been working on,
(15:39):
I don't know if it will fall right after this
one in the order, but they really do establish a
lot how much the fervor around witchcraft in Europe that
led to the witch trials all around the Western world
really start in the Avignon papacy. Oh yeah, that's for they,
(16:04):
And it really does seem like it is more than
any actual concern about people's eternal souls or their bodies
being possessed. Is about a political tool for power. Yeah,
and that's I mean, we've always known that that's part
of it. But when you look at like how this,
(16:26):
you know, if you make the Charlie Day chart the Orkshop,
all of the strings go back to the Avignon papacy.
It seems. Yeah, we have a number of episodes that
have been about which trials and which hunters and which
panics and so many of them, like there are other
(16:47):
social and political issues at play, and a lot of
times some other kind of major unrest, yes, like some
other upheaval underlying all of it. One of the things
that I'm working on now that I barely have started on,
I think is going to have some similar themes. We're
(17:09):
also going to talk about this a lot in the
next one that I'm working with. Yeah, yeah, it's one
of the running thing things of like all of the
witch panics and the yeah, all of that. I also
just want to say how happy I am that it's October. Yeah, listen,
(17:29):
I need Halloween this year. I needed I know, Dan,
I need. It's so bad. I've been so crabby, so
angry all the time. And this will be just me
personally sharing about my life. So I think I mentioned
a while back that for a while, because of av
and flu, people were being advised not to feed their
(17:52):
backyard flocks, right, which that has been rolled back because
it's more like if you have waterfowl. But I just
because I've been so busy, have not picked up my
usual bird feeding cycle that I would normally do every day,
and as a consequence, that means that this year we
have so many juro spiders. I love it. Oh, it's
(18:13):
like they prey decorated for me. My husband, bless him,
does not love it, but he's being a very good
sport about that. Yeah, but I love them so much,
and I name them the ones that live around our yard,
at least the ones that are close to the house
that I can identify in their separate locales, because like,
if you look up, we have some very tall trees
(18:34):
on the side and back of our house, and if
you look up, it is like a New York high
rise in there. There's so many spiders living in there. Yeah, hundreds,
probably thousands. I can't name them all. But I do
have Julia that hangs out in the windows by our
kitchen on our deck. Yeah, and she's getting bigger and bigger,
(18:54):
and there has become this hilarious thing that happens where
the cat in our house is these days. That is
the most like me in behavior. Sits on the cat
tree and watches that spider. Old, you really are a
chip off the old block. I was on vacation last
(19:23):
week and where we were staying is surrounded by woods.
You have to drive for a little bit before you
get to something that you could call a town. And
there was a beautiful I didn't look closely enough. I
missed my opportunity. There was a beautiful some kind of
orb weaver that had made a web on the path
(19:44):
out to like a fire pit that's behind the house.
Somebody had pointed it out, and I was like, Oh,
that's I'm going to come look. I'm like, I'm look
at it tomorrow. And I'm not sure if we just
created a lot more traffic back and forth across that
path and the spider was like no thanks, or if
perhaps nature happened and a bird a bird had a meal.
(20:09):
Either way, or we were no longer there so I
didn't get to get a closer look figure out exactly
what kind of spider it was. Yeah, yeah, birds. We
started feeding the birds on the deck to keep the
spider population down for Brian's peace of mind. Sure doesn't
enjoy the spiders, but like I said, I'm slowly, I'm
(20:30):
slowly giving him immersion immunity I can, because they really
are just everywhere around the house right now, which is fine. Yeah.
I make little videos of them when I go out
to work in the yard or more the lawn and
web connects to something on the ground. I don't mow
in that spot, so they're weird little outcroppings of the
unmowed area in our yard that are yeahs are anchored.
(20:53):
When I lived in the Atlanta area, my yard also
had a lot of spiders. But the lot of spiders
I had were black widows, Yeah, which are very beautiful.
But we used to get a lot more of those,
and we just they have stopped happening. I think they
have largely gotten eaten by a growing lizard population. Okay,
(21:16):
I could be wrong, and I don't worry so much
about black widows for me because they're unlikely to hurt
most humans. Yeah, I was not afraid of them, but
there were a lot. Yeah, but they can, just because
of proportions of body weight, be a little more of
a concern for cats. So I don't want them in
(21:38):
the house. Sure, but yeah, yeah, I don't think I
ever saw one at the house. And I became aware
that this was a problem. I had broken my leg
and being a person who can't ask for help, all
of my plants and whatnot died because I could not
get out there to take care of them. And I
was doing clean up on all of my sad plants
(22:01):
and I picked up I had this little planter that
was was shaped kind of like a wagon and it
had multiple potted plants and it had a pot that
I had intended to plant something in but that had
not happened. And I picked it up and it was
full of like leafy debris, kind of spider webby looking
stuff and I was like, oh, this is like a
(22:22):
great place for a black widow spider. Ha ha ha.
And I dumped it out onto the ground and there
was a black widow spider and I was like, oh, hi,
I just like, girl, you just messed up my house.
There were a lot of them. I never I did
not have problems really with bugs inside the house. I
had somebody come and treat the house quarterly, and he
commented and said in a very had a lovely accent
(22:44):
that I don't want to try to replicate. But he
just came back in one day and said, Ms. Wilson,
you have a lot of spiders. I was like, yeah,
I know, I know. See we have a quarterly bug
person to who I'm al was like, you're not going
to hurt the spiders, right, He says that it will
not hurt. No, I'm sure some spiders get hurt by
the whole process. But we try, we try, we try. Yeah,
(23:09):
our current spider load in the house is all in
the basement, and I did not realize quite how spidery
the basement had gotten until we had somebody come do
a plumbing thing and I was gesturing. I was like,
then that's the pipe where the Oh sorry, there is
so much spider web here. I'm I'm the person who's like,
(23:30):
please don't hurt that spider. Don't I'm like, caution tape
around the spot. Please don't mess with the spiders when
you come to that. Yeah, I'm sure I'm on a
list somewhere of like every service person that might need
to come to our house where they're like, this is
the craziest spider lady. Yeah, you don't like spiders, do
not take this job in any case. But it's spider
(23:52):
season and I'm happy about it because I really need
the joy of beautiful spiders. If you do not like spiders,
I'm sorry that we've had so much a brilliant spider talk,
but I really do love them. I think they're so elegant,
and they're such architects, and they're just they're high achievers
and they're beautiful. So apologies if that's not your jam.
But now that it's Halloween season, I hope all of
(24:13):
us who love Halloween can grasp a little extra joy
right now. I think everybody needs some. And if you're
not a Halloween person, I'm sorry, but I hope whatever
brings you joy is abundant in your life, because you
deserve joy too. We will be right back here tomorrow
with a classic episode, and then on Monday we're going
(24:34):
to have something brand new and it's still Halloween season.
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