November 11, 2022 • 18 mins
Tracy and Holly talk about animated shows, camping, and the items that didn't make it into the most recent Unearthed! episode. They then discuss the legacy of Pauline Johnson, and criticisms of her work that perceive it as inauthentic.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Trazy
v Wilson and I'm Holly Friday. We kicked off our
week with the second part of our two part of Unearthed,
having done the first part last week. Yes, it's a
(00:22):
little weird, just to throw everyone off a little bit.
It's a big psychological experiment, especially because we're recording all
of this on the same day that was not happening. Yes. Uh,
you said you had a a category to propose. Is
at least that's how That's what I interpreted. Yes, I mean,
(00:46):
at least jokingly, we should just have a worms category
because it was like parasites and then whip worms and
then ship worms, and I'm like, clearly there's a worm
thematic going yeah, going through history. And it made me
think of the Futurama episode where Fry gets worms and
they actually make him smarter and stronger. Yeah. So um.
(01:08):
We have talked before about how Futurama is a show
that has all these things I would love on paper,
but I have somehow never watched all of it. But
that's one of the ones I know about. My family
came over on the Sandwich is such a good episode
and it's so funny. I feel like that one comes
up a lot is like examples of really good episodes
(01:28):
of that show. I mean there's so many, so so.
I mean there's Jurassic Bark Forever, which is painful. M
uh Fry Gets Worms is great. There's a lot that show.
It's been rerunning a lot lately, which it wasn't for
a while, and now I keep running into it as
my thing in the background in the evenings when I'm
(01:51):
zoning out or working on something elson I'm like, oh,
I need to rewatch the show all the time. But
there are too many things that I feel that way about. Yeah. Uh.
I also had another animation moment when we were talking
about edibles and potables, because that word potables came up
on Bob's Burgers recently yes where they were going camping,
(02:12):
and there was a note that the water was not
what Linda called potable, and Bob was like, it's it's potable.
This made me laugh. I think that's the word I've
heard people say both ways, and that also reminds me
of various times that I've been places where there's just
been very stern warnings that the water in whatever place
(02:33):
should not be consumed, often the water used to wash
her hands. That like a porta potty somewhere. Oh gosh,
when when I used to do a lot more races,
like all of those little like you know, on the
course for runners, porta potties would have like stickers usually
on them that were like, don't drink this water. And
(02:54):
I'm like, on the one hand, of course you would
need to do that warning, And on the other I'm like,
who really needed that warning? But somebody probably did. Somebody
probably did, for sure, I'm certain. Plus to be fair,
I'm not. I don't want to judge anybody. After you've
run like ten miles. If you're like me, your brain
has stopped functioning anyway, So maybe you need the sticker
(03:17):
to no, don't don't no, don't do that, don't do that. Yeah.
I can also see easily see people like washing their
hands and then like rinsing their mouth out not even thinking,
or just like splashing their face which will put it
very close to your mouth, which is not a good
idea either anyway. Water. Yeah, none of this has anything
(03:38):
to do with that. I've been following all of these
through hikers on TikTok Uh and one of the through
hikers I follow got e coli during her through hiker
um along with a bunch of other through hikers, and
it turned out that there was a well that was
contaminated that they all thought, uh, that they all thought
(04:00):
was a safe sort of source of water because it
was a well for drinking from. You're making the most
horrifying face. As a child who grew up on wellwater.
There was a time we had to bleach our well
because it got something I'm not even on wellwater. I'm
still back on why would anyone do that to themselves?
Because why would anybody do it through hiking? I don't camp,
so a through hike is like a nightmare to me. Um.
(04:24):
I have been kind of living vicariously through these various
through hikers because I similarly that's most of the hikes
they've been doing are like, that's more than I think
I ever would actually want to do, But I'm enjoying
watching somebody else do it. No, I do a lot
(04:45):
of day hiking, and I'm like, it's like day hiking
every day, but it's it's more than camping. Yeah. Yeah,
I've been in the woods, not for you. Plenty of
camping as a kid, when my family moved from outside
Seattle to the Florida Panhandle in my parents thought it
would be cool to camp across the country to make
(05:07):
that move. Nine year old Holly got all she will
ever need of And I hate it and I have
hated it ever since. And please let me camp at
the Marriott. That's what I want. UM. When I was
a massage therapist, you had to get a certain number
of continuing education hours every year to keep up your stuff.
And we also had requirements for additional training beyond just
(05:30):
massage school for this job that I had. And so
a coworker and I had signed up for this continuing
education course. UM that was a couple hours away from
where we were living. And this uh was at a
massage school that was housed in a place that was
originally a farm, and you could camp there for something
like ten bucks, which gave you access to like the
(05:53):
like an area there to camp and also a bathroom
in a shower and stuff like that. And we were like,
this is great, we have no many we will camp
there for ten bucks. It'll be great. Night number one
of camping. We were both like, this is amazing. That
was the best night of sleep I have had in
so long. We were so excited. Uh, and then when
we got up after night number two of camping, we
were both like, that was horrible. I am too old
(06:15):
for this. And we were both in our like thirties
at that point. She was little older than me, so
she might have been like in her forties. And so
now I'm like, I bet, I bet if I tried
to sleep on the ground for nights and nights and nights.
I know people have all kinds of cool like sleeping
mats and inflatable stuff and whatever, but I'm sure I
would be like, oh, a bet a bet is a thing?
(06:35):
I like you, I know, I just never no. I
like how we've spent this whole behind the scenes talking
about worms and hiking, and very little of it on
the part of Unearthed History. I know this is I
will to loop it back to stuff we talked about
(06:56):
on the episode. All of these Vermier things are make
me think, like, do I need to plan a trip
to go see that exhibition? Yeah, it's supposed to be
like a landmark exhibition of Vermeer's works, So if you
are a Vermeer aficionado or just an art person that
might be a good one to check out. As always,
(07:17):
I have a three page list of stuff that I
had bookmarked that we did not wind up talking about.
Uh some of it because I couldn't find like a
very like like what was interesting about this that makes
it sound like an interesting thing to talk about. And
sometimes I just like couldn't find the right like angle,
or I was really confused by it, or it was um,
(07:39):
it was almost identical to stuff that we've talked about recently. Yeah,
Like somebody found a bottle of of heart drops is
what it was described as, like a medicine an intact
medicine bottle with the stuff still inside of it, at
the bottom of the river. I thought that was really cool,
but did not wind up talking about it this time, um,
(08:01):
which is just always going to be the case. I
used to keep the bookmarks for this publicly visible so
people could look at them, but then I ran into
technical difficulties and that was no longer possible. So anyway,
I'm sure we will find yet more parasites stuff to
talk about in future installments of Unearthed, but I found
these ones particularly gross. They're pretty achy. Yeah, So anyway,
(08:29):
we'll have more unearthed and approximately three months, probably sometime
right after the first of the year. This week we
talked about Emily Pauline Johnson, also known as Decayell and Wigay,
(08:52):
who I don't even remember how I stumbled across her name.
I was told in various it ups of her that
one of her poems called the song my Paddle Sings
is like a staple in younger grade school classes on poetry. Um,
but I did not go pull my various friends from
(09:15):
Canada to be like, do you know this poem? Is
this still true? I mean, I was not in Canada
but in the Pacific Northwest in elementary school, and I
don't remember it. Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I don't remember a lot of being a kid like
yeah my uh, my gut would be for folks in
(09:38):
the Pacific Northwest, they might have been more likely to
hear things that were specifically about the Pacific Northwest or
the Squamish legends that she wrote about, which I heard
multiple Mohawk people, particularly women talk about her with just
so much love and affection, and it like it just
made me really joyful to hear people talk about her.
(10:00):
I don't actually know off hand how the Squamish nation
feels about her having written and shared these stories and
legends that were shared with her by chiefs ap look Um,
because that's a complicated thing to share an indigenous people's
stories or legends or or any of that. And it
(10:24):
does really seem like she tried really really hard to
be as accurate with it as possible, but she was
also from, you know it, in a different indigenous nation,
from a different part of the continent, and they didn't
share a language totally fluently. UM. And then when she
got to the work that she was needing to dictate
(10:45):
to somebody else because of her illness, Like there's another
layer of separation between she who was writing this down
and the person who told her the stories initially. So
I feel like it's it's kind of a complicated thing.
One of the things that has become um a resource
for me on the show is a book called Elements
of Indigenous Style UM, and it is by Gregory young
(11:09):
Ing who UM wrote this book to like give especially
non Indigenous people a framework for writing thoughtfully and correctly
about Indigenous people or people from a different indienus indigenous
nation that they are not part of. And one of
the points that is made is there's a lot of stuff,
(11:30):
especially from around the nineteen and early twentieth century, that's
widely available that is in like an indigenous nation's stories
or legends or whatever, that was documented and written down
without really their participation or consent. And it's really important
for researchers who are working today to not just rely
(11:52):
on that uncritically without really confirming with people who are
still living today whether it's accurate it and how they
feel about it, and whether there's maybe a different source
that would really be the preferable one to be used.
So I feel like all of that is like connected
to that book Legends of Vancouver, but not something I
was able to go and like track down how does
(12:14):
everyone feel about this book existing today? I keep thinking
about the fact that we we even mentioned in her
accounts when she had that initial meeting that she was like, oh,
I only knew some of their their words. Then when
you get into that um many layers, as you said,
of removed from possible accuracy and retelling, it gets very tricky.
(12:38):
I felt some some papers written about her UM that
were critical of her in a way that I saw
the point being made, but I also didn't feel like
it was entirely justified. Like she clearly didn't love the
fact that she needed this Indian princess costume for people
(12:59):
to think she belonged on stage, right, She she didn't
like the fact, but she also seems to have been
willing to play that game so that she could have
an audience and she could you know, write what she
wanted to write and say what she wanted to say.
And then in her will, like she understood that that costume,
like she thought that costume belonged in a museum. It
(13:21):
wasn't something she was like, Oh, that was garbage, I
should throw it away. And so I would sometimes see
things that were like, uh, like had a tone of
I wish she could have been more authentic. And while
there's a piece of that where I'm like, yeah, I
can see where you're coming from, but also a lot
of things about her life we're really in line with
(13:41):
the history of her family and the history of the
Mohawk Nation more generally, like the Mohawk Nation had just
long standing alliances with the British while also simultaneously being
you know, exploited by the British, like her her father
was named after King George the Third, she was named
(14:01):
after Napoleon's favorite sister. Like, there was a lot of
interconnectivity between their family and British and Canadian culture. Um.
And So some of the times when I would find
these things that people would say was like I wish
she could have been more authentic, and it was like, well,
she she authentically felt herself in both of these worlds, um,
(14:22):
and there are definitely things that she felt conflicted about
or didn't really love, but like to write her entire
body of work off as inauthentic, I was like, I
don't think that's actually correct, right, Well, I mean here's
the thing. If she had written in a way that
someone with that criticism may have perceived as authentic, that
(14:46):
word is so loaded it would have been inauthentic to
her experience. Yeah. So, like there's the weird thing of like,
would you really want her to lie or misrepresent herself
to fit a frame work of what you think is
more appropriate for a woman of her background. That's problematic, Yeah,
(15:09):
And that's there were times when it also seemed threatened
through with like an assumption that there's only one way
for an indigenous writer to write. Like, I would find
some places that had sort of counted how many of
her poems were quote indigenous and uh, and they were
only counting the ones that were like very explicitly about
(15:31):
being Mohawk or a piece of indigenous history or whatever.
And it was like, well, but she she wrote all
of these and she was Mohawk, so all of it
in some way is like influenced by that part of herself. Um.
And I found that just an interesting way for people
(15:52):
to focus, because I don't think when somebody is like, oh,
here's a woman poet, but only one percent of her
poems are about women, Because only one percent of her
poems there's like specifically saying this is my poem about
being a woman's It was a little weird. So anyway,
I really love her and I love her story and uh.
(16:14):
I think all the complexities of her legacy are still
really relevant to a lot of people who are like
living in multiple worlds through having like multiple pieces to
their heritage and ancestry. I think about her life on
tour and I cannot help but be filled with admiration
(16:37):
because it sounds exhausting it so does when you and
I go on tour, I feel like three shows that
we need a break after that, like we need a
day off. Yeah, for sure. And so the just the
colossal amount of of shows that she did over the
course of just a few months, I was like, man,
I I would not have known where I was or
(17:00):
what I was doing by the end of that. That's um,
I mean, we don't know after three shows where we are.
I know, it's different, right, she wasn't doing big jumps
of air travel every day, but she's presumably doing train
travel and that had its own logistics and ships across
(17:22):
the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. Yeah, it just makes you want
to lie down. Yeah. Yeah, some sometime when I make
it out to the Pacific Northwest again because I do
have family out there, maybe I will take a little
trip to Vancouver. I love Vancouver. Oh, the food scene
(17:43):
is amazing. Yeah, it's just a great a great place, beautiful,
all of the all of the beautiful scenery, all of
the yummy things. Plus I'll tell you about you know,
the places to eat ice cream? Sounds great? So, uh,
(18:06):
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Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Trazy
v Wilson and I'm Holly Friday. We kicked off our
week with the second part of our two part of Unearthed,
having done the first part last week. Yes, it's a
(00:22):
little weird, just to throw everyone off a little bit.
It's a big psychological experiment, especially because we're recording all
of this on the same day that was not happening. Yes. Uh,
you said you had a a category to propose. Is
at least that's how That's what I interpreted. Yes, I mean,
(00:46):
at least jokingly, we should just have a worms category
because it was like parasites and then whip worms and
then ship worms, and I'm like, clearly there's a worm
thematic going yeah, going through history. And it made me
think of the Futurama episode where Fry gets worms and
they actually make him smarter and stronger. Yeah. So um.
(01:08):
We have talked before about how Futurama is a show
that has all these things I would love on paper,
but I have somehow never watched all of it. But
that's one of the ones I know about. My family
came over on the Sandwich is such a good episode
and it's so funny. I feel like that one comes
up a lot is like examples of really good episodes
(01:28):
of that show. I mean there's so many, so so.
I mean there's Jurassic Bark Forever, which is painful. M
uh Fry Gets Worms is great. There's a lot that show.
It's been rerunning a lot lately, which it wasn't for
a while, and now I keep running into it as
my thing in the background in the evenings when I'm
(01:51):
zoning out or working on something elson I'm like, oh,
I need to rewatch the show all the time. But
there are too many things that I feel that way about. Yeah. Uh.
I also had another animation moment when we were talking
about edibles and potables, because that word potables came up
on Bob's Burgers recently yes where they were going camping,
(02:12):
and there was a note that the water was not
what Linda called potable, and Bob was like, it's it's potable.
This made me laugh. I think that's the word I've
heard people say both ways, and that also reminds me
of various times that I've been places where there's just
been very stern warnings that the water in whatever place
(02:33):
should not be consumed, often the water used to wash
her hands. That like a porta potty somewhere. Oh gosh,
when when I used to do a lot more races,
like all of those little like you know, on the
course for runners, porta potties would have like stickers usually
on them that were like, don't drink this water. And
(02:54):
I'm like, on the one hand, of course you would
need to do that warning, And on the other I'm like,
who really needed that warning? But somebody probably did. Somebody
probably did, for sure, I'm certain. Plus to be fair,
I'm not. I don't want to judge anybody. After you've
run like ten miles. If you're like me, your brain
has stopped functioning anyway, So maybe you need the sticker
(03:17):
to no, don't don't no, don't do that, don't do that. Yeah.
I can also see easily see people like washing their
hands and then like rinsing their mouth out not even thinking,
or just like splashing their face which will put it
very close to your mouth, which is not a good
idea either anyway. Water. Yeah, none of this has anything
(03:38):
to do with that. I've been following all of these
through hikers on TikTok Uh and one of the through
hikers I follow got e coli during her through hiker
um along with a bunch of other through hikers, and
it turned out that there was a well that was
contaminated that they all thought, uh, that they all thought
(04:00):
was a safe sort of source of water because it
was a well for drinking from. You're making the most
horrifying face. As a child who grew up on wellwater.
There was a time we had to bleach our well
because it got something I'm not even on wellwater. I'm
still back on why would anyone do that to themselves?
Because why would anybody do it through hiking? I don't camp,
so a through hike is like a nightmare to me. Um.
(04:24):
I have been kind of living vicariously through these various
through hikers because I similarly that's most of the hikes
they've been doing are like, that's more than I think
I ever would actually want to do, But I'm enjoying
watching somebody else do it. No, I do a lot
(04:45):
of day hiking, and I'm like, it's like day hiking
every day, but it's it's more than camping. Yeah. Yeah,
I've been in the woods, not for you. Plenty of
camping as a kid, when my family moved from outside
Seattle to the Florida Panhandle in my parents thought it
would be cool to camp across the country to make
(05:07):
that move. Nine year old Holly got all she will
ever need of And I hate it and I have
hated it ever since. And please let me camp at
the Marriott. That's what I want. UM. When I was
a massage therapist, you had to get a certain number
of continuing education hours every year to keep up your stuff.
And we also had requirements for additional training beyond just
(05:30):
massage school for this job that I had. And so
a coworker and I had signed up for this continuing
education course. UM that was a couple hours away from
where we were living. And this uh was at a
massage school that was housed in a place that was
originally a farm, and you could camp there for something
like ten bucks, which gave you access to like the
(05:53):
like an area there to camp and also a bathroom
in a shower and stuff like that. And we were like,
this is great, we have no many we will camp
there for ten bucks. It'll be great. Night number one
of camping. We were both like, this is amazing. That
was the best night of sleep I have had in
so long. We were so excited. Uh, and then when
we got up after night number two of camping, we
were both like, that was horrible. I am too old
(06:15):
for this. And we were both in our like thirties
at that point. She was little older than me, so
she might have been like in her forties. And so
now I'm like, I bet, I bet if I tried
to sleep on the ground for nights and nights and nights.
I know people have all kinds of cool like sleeping
mats and inflatable stuff and whatever, but I'm sure I
would be like, oh, a bet a bet is a thing?
(06:35):
I like you, I know, I just never no. I
like how we've spent this whole behind the scenes talking
about worms and hiking, and very little of it on
the part of Unearthed History. I know this is I
will to loop it back to stuff we talked about
(06:56):
on the episode. All of these Vermier things are make
me think, like, do I need to plan a trip
to go see that exhibition? Yeah, it's supposed to be
like a landmark exhibition of Vermeer's works, So if you
are a Vermeer aficionado or just an art person that
might be a good one to check out. As always,
(07:17):
I have a three page list of stuff that I
had bookmarked that we did not wind up talking about.
Uh some of it because I couldn't find like a
very like like what was interesting about this that makes
it sound like an interesting thing to talk about. And
sometimes I just like couldn't find the right like angle,
or I was really confused by it, or it was um,
(07:39):
it was almost identical to stuff that we've talked about recently. Yeah,
Like somebody found a bottle of of heart drops is
what it was described as, like a medicine an intact
medicine bottle with the stuff still inside of it, at
the bottom of the river. I thought that was really cool,
but did not wind up talking about it this time, um,
(08:01):
which is just always going to be the case. I
used to keep the bookmarks for this publicly visible so
people could look at them, but then I ran into
technical difficulties and that was no longer possible. So anyway,
I'm sure we will find yet more parasites stuff to
talk about in future installments of Unearthed, but I found
these ones particularly gross. They're pretty achy. Yeah, So anyway,
(08:29):
we'll have more unearthed and approximately three months, probably sometime
right after the first of the year. This week we
talked about Emily Pauline Johnson, also known as Decayell and Wigay,
(08:52):
who I don't even remember how I stumbled across her name.
I was told in various it ups of her that
one of her poems called the song my Paddle Sings
is like a staple in younger grade school classes on poetry. Um,
but I did not go pull my various friends from
(09:15):
Canada to be like, do you know this poem? Is
this still true? I mean, I was not in Canada
but in the Pacific Northwest in elementary school, and I
don't remember it. Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I don't remember a lot of being a kid like
yeah my uh, my gut would be for folks in
(09:38):
the Pacific Northwest, they might have been more likely to
hear things that were specifically about the Pacific Northwest or
the Squamish legends that she wrote about, which I heard
multiple Mohawk people, particularly women talk about her with just
so much love and affection, and it like it just
made me really joyful to hear people talk about her.
(10:00):
I don't actually know off hand how the Squamish nation
feels about her having written and shared these stories and
legends that were shared with her by chiefs ap look Um,
because that's a complicated thing to share an indigenous people's
stories or legends or or any of that. And it
(10:24):
does really seem like she tried really really hard to
be as accurate with it as possible, but she was
also from, you know it, in a different indigenous nation,
from a different part of the continent, and they didn't
share a language totally fluently. UM. And then when she
got to the work that she was needing to dictate
(10:45):
to somebody else because of her illness, Like there's another
layer of separation between she who was writing this down
and the person who told her the stories initially. So
I feel like it's it's kind of a complicated thing.
One of the things that has become um a resource
for me on the show is a book called Elements
of Indigenous Style UM, and it is by Gregory young
(11:09):
Ing who UM wrote this book to like give especially
non Indigenous people a framework for writing thoughtfully and correctly
about Indigenous people or people from a different indienus indigenous
nation that they are not part of. And one of
the points that is made is there's a lot of stuff,
(11:30):
especially from around the nineteen and early twentieth century, that's
widely available that is in like an indigenous nation's stories
or legends or whatever, that was documented and written down
without really their participation or consent. And it's really important
for researchers who are working today to not just rely
(11:52):
on that uncritically without really confirming with people who are
still living today whether it's accurate it and how they
feel about it, and whether there's maybe a different source
that would really be the preferable one to be used.
So I feel like all of that is like connected
to that book Legends of Vancouver, but not something I
was able to go and like track down how does
(12:14):
everyone feel about this book existing today? I keep thinking
about the fact that we we even mentioned in her
accounts when she had that initial meeting that she was like, oh,
I only knew some of their their words. Then when
you get into that um many layers, as you said,
of removed from possible accuracy and retelling, it gets very tricky.
(12:38):
I felt some some papers written about her UM that
were critical of her in a way that I saw
the point being made, but I also didn't feel like
it was entirely justified. Like she clearly didn't love the
fact that she needed this Indian princess costume for people
(12:59):
to think she belonged on stage, right, She she didn't
like the fact, but she also seems to have been
willing to play that game so that she could have
an audience and she could you know, write what she
wanted to write and say what she wanted to say.
And then in her will, like she understood that that costume,
like she thought that costume belonged in a museum. It
(13:21):
wasn't something she was like, Oh, that was garbage, I
should throw it away. And so I would sometimes see
things that were like, uh, like had a tone of
I wish she could have been more authentic. And while
there's a piece of that where I'm like, yeah, I
can see where you're coming from, but also a lot
of things about her life we're really in line with
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the history of her family and the history of the
Mohawk Nation more generally, like the Mohawk Nation had just
long standing alliances with the British while also simultaneously being
you know, exploited by the British, like her her father
was named after King George the Third, she was named
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after Napoleon's favorite sister. Like, there was a lot of
interconnectivity between their family and British and Canadian culture. Um.
And So some of the times when I would find
these things that people would say was like I wish
she could have been more authentic, and it was like, well,
she she authentically felt herself in both of these worlds, um,
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and there are definitely things that she felt conflicted about
or didn't really love, but like to write her entire
body of work off as inauthentic, I was like, I
don't think that's actually correct, right, Well, I mean here's
the thing. If she had written in a way that
someone with that criticism may have perceived as authentic, that
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word is so loaded it would have been inauthentic to
her experience. Yeah. So, like there's the weird thing of like,
would you really want her to lie or misrepresent herself
to fit a frame work of what you think is
more appropriate for a woman of her background. That's problematic, Yeah,
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And that's there were times when it also seemed threatened
through with like an assumption that there's only one way
for an indigenous writer to write. Like, I would find
some places that had sort of counted how many of
her poems were quote indigenous and uh, and they were
only counting the ones that were like very explicitly about
(15:31):
being Mohawk or a piece of indigenous history or whatever.
And it was like, well, but she she wrote all
of these and she was Mohawk, so all of it
in some way is like influenced by that part of herself. Um.
And I found that just an interesting way for people
(15:52):
to focus, because I don't think when somebody is like, oh,
here's a woman poet, but only one percent of her
poems are about women, Because only one percent of her
poems there's like specifically saying this is my poem about
being a woman's It was a little weird. So anyway,
I really love her and I love her story and uh.
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I think all the complexities of her legacy are still
really relevant to a lot of people who are like
living in multiple worlds through having like multiple pieces to
their heritage and ancestry. I think about her life on
tour and I cannot help but be filled with admiration
(16:37):
because it sounds exhausting it so does when you and
I go on tour, I feel like three shows that
we need a break after that, like we need a
day off. Yeah, for sure. And so the just the
colossal amount of of shows that she did over the
course of just a few months, I was like, man,
I I would not have known where I was or
(17:00):
what I was doing by the end of that. That's um,
I mean, we don't know after three shows where we are.
I know, it's different, right, she wasn't doing big jumps
of air travel every day, but she's presumably doing train
travel and that had its own logistics and ships across
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the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. Yeah, it just makes you want
to lie down. Yeah. Yeah, some sometime when I make
it out to the Pacific Northwest again because I do
have family out there, maybe I will take a little
trip to Vancouver. I love Vancouver. Oh, the food scene
(17:43):
is amazing. Yeah, it's just a great a great place, beautiful,
all of the all of the beautiful scenery, all of
the yummy things. Plus I'll tell you about you know,
the places to eat ice cream? Sounds great? So, uh,
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