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Happy Saturday, everybody. Since today is the last Saturday before Halloween,
we have a particularly HALLOWEENI episode for Today's Saturday Classic.
It is our episode on Esther Cox and the Great
Amherst Mystery, which originally came out October. So early on
in this episode, I say that Esther's mother died just
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a few weeks before she was born. And no, that
was not a bizarre medical or maybe supernatural occurrence that
we just dropped into the show and then offered no
further comment on, instead going on to talk at length
about how much premature baby's way when they're nine months old.
I just misspoke. And even though three people listen to
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this episode before it published, none of us noticed it
focused it afterwards, though, uh Esser's mother died a few
weeks after she was born. So enjoy. Welcome to Stuff
you missed in History Class, A production of I Heart Radio. Hello,
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and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly Frying and I'm
Tracy V. Wilson. It's still October, which means this is
a perfect time for what is a haunting episode or
is it? And I feel like that could be all
of our haunting episodes, and yes, for sure, This episode
is all about an alleged haunting that took place in
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Amherst Nova, Scotia in the eighteen seventies, so Canadian haunting
h And as we've done in haunting stories in the past,
we're first going to tell it more or less as
it is relayed from a believer's point of view, and
then we're going to discuss it from a more skeptical side.
So I witnessed to this haunting, Walter Hubble, and we're
going to get into his involvement in the story later
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because it's pretty important. Wrote a book detailing a six
week period in which he lived in the house with Esther,
who is the young woman who allegedly all of this
this haunting activity took place around and the introduction to
Hubble's book reads, quote, the manifestations described in this story
commenced one year ago. No person has yet been able
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to ascertain their cause. Scientific men from all parts of
Canada and the United States have investigated them in vain.
Some people think that electricity is the principal agent, others mesmerism,
while others again are sure they are produced by the devil.
Of the three supposed causes, the latter is certainly the
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most plausible theory, for some of the manifestations are remarkably
devilish in their appearance and effect. So that's what we're
in for here. Uh, And just a quick heads up
before we get into this story. There is a very
brief discussion of attempted sexual assault in this episode. There's
not a lot of detail about it. It comes up
two times and they're both quite quick. But if that
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is something that is potentially troubling for you, you might
want to skip this one. But we're going to get
into Esther Cox in the Great Amherst Mystery. Esther Cox
was born on March eighteen sixty in Nova Scotia. Her
parents were Archibald T and Esther Cox, and the family
had a farm. She was really, really tiny when she
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was born. According to Hubble's recounting of Esther's childhood, she
only weighed five pounds by the time she was nine
months old. Her grandmother had to keep her on a
pillow to wash and dress her because she was just
so delicate. Esther's mother also died just a few weeks
before Esther was born. I immediately was incredulous when reading
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that account. I'm like a nine month old that weighs
five pounds seems very weird to me. I'm sure we
will get a flood of people who say no, no,
I have evidence, um, just having known a number of
very early premise I think most of them had passed
five pounds by the time they were nine months But
that immediately kind of red flag to me. Just f
y I in case you heard that went what. Esther
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was described by Hubble as a young woman as short,
quote inclined to be stout, earnest, and honest. She was
also strong willed, and she would sometimes sulk, but the
writer assures the reader of her goodness. By the time
she was a young woman. Esther, her sister Jane, and
their brother William all lived with their older sister, Olive
and her family. Daniel and Olive Teed had two sons
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named William George. Willie was five when Esther moved in
with the family, and George had just passed his first birthday.
Daniel's brother John lived with the family as well. Hubble
described the Teed cottage as pleasant, with its interior adornments
quote so tastefully arranged, so scrupulously clean, and so comfortable
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that the visitor feels at home in a moment, being
confident that everything is looked after by a thrifty housewife.
On August Sight, Esther, he was eighteen, started her day
as normal with breakfast with the family and then she
did her chores around the house. That evening, her boyfriend
Bob McNeil came to call and asked her to go
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for a ride with him. He had missed a date
to visit her the night before, and he promised to
explain what had happened during their ride. Allegedly, as the
pair were riding through a wooded area, Bob's demeanor changed abruptly.
He jumped down from the buggy, pulled a gun and
ordered Esther to do the same that his exit the
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buggy or he would kill her. She did not do
as he ordered, and instead told him to stop acting
like a crazy man and drive her home, and this
incensed Bob, and he was allegedly about to shoot Esther
point blank when they heard another buggy approaching, and at
that point, Bob jumped back into the driver's seat and
raced back to the teed home. As Esther ran into
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the house, Bob and the buggy raced away. This incident
as it's relayed in the Walter Hubble account, is like
it's described above, although there's all so the mention that
Bob quote uttered several terrible oaths. Often, though, this incident
is characterized as an attempted sexual assault, and it's not
clear due to the possibility that it was sanitized and
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publication for the sake of propriety. But as we're about
to discuss, whatever took place on that ride was very
traumatic for ester This incident really did take a severe
toll on her and Esther's family. None of him who
had ever really particularly approved of Bob McLean, presumed that
the pair had gotten into an argument and broken up.
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Esther did not reveal to them what had happened in
terms of him threatening her, and they didn't pry into
what they thought was a basic lover's quarrel. But not
long after McNeil's attack, a series of unusual things began happening.
For the next week, Esther was quite understandably distraught. She
cried a lot. She had trouble sleeping on the night
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of September four, as their believed that there was a
mouse in her bed. She felt some thing rustling under
the sheet. Her sister Jane, who slept in the same
room with her, assured her that even if it was
a mouse, it wouldn't hurt them, that they should just
try to get some rest. The following night, what they
believed was a mouse once again disrupted their sleep. This
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time they heard what they thought were mouse noises from
within a box of patchwork. Esther resolved that they were
going to kill the mouse so that they would not
have the same problem of poor sleep night after night
after night. So the two young women removed the box
from its place under the bed and they put it
in the center of the floor, preparing to deal with
this mouse. While they were watching, the box rose up
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into the air, roughly a foot off the floor, and
then it tipped onto its side. As it fell back down,
Jane put the box in the center of the room,
and the same thing happened again. They started screaming, not surprisingly,
and their screams drew their brother in law Daniel, into
the room, but he laughed off the account of the
levitating box, insisting it they had just dreamed it or
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they had shared some moment of delusion. The next day,
everyone went about their usual routine, but that evening, Esther
felt ill, and she went to bed early. Jane went
to bed later, but she was awakened in the night
by Esther, who had jumped out of bed and exclaimed
that she was dying. Jane little lamp, and she saw
that Esther's appearance was changed in really upsetting ways. Esther's
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face was bright red, her hair was standing on end,
and she was shaking and gripping a chair so tightly
that her fingernails had sunk down into the woods. So
Jane called for help. After the adult members of the
household rushed into the room, Esther's color went pale and
she became very, very weak. She was assisted to her bed,
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where she sat for a moment before jumping up and
yelling that she thought she was going to burst. Jane
soothed her. She got into her bed, but Esther kept
saying that she was going to burst and that she
was swelling. Her family looked at her, and she was
swelling and turning red once again. She was also hot
to the touch, and then they all heard a loud
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sound that Olive initially thought was lightning striking the house.
It scared all of so much that she actually went
to check on her two little boys. She was worried
that something might have happened to them, but they were
both fast asleep peacefully, and they appeared to have not
heard this sound that everyone in Esther's room had heard.
There was absolutely no storm outside. There were three more
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loud noises, which all seemed to come from under the bed,
and then Esther's swelling vanished, her temperature returned to normal.
She fell deeply asleep until nine o'clock the next morning.
The family discussed the oddness of the previous night, but
because there was no discernible cause and Esther seemed to
be okay other than having a slightly reduced appetite, they
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let the matter drop. We're going to talk about the
odd happenings around Esther intensifying after this, but before we do,
we're gonna take a little break and pause for a
word from one of our sponsors. Things at the Teed
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house were normal for four nights, and then another swelling
incident happened. This time Esther was just getting into bed
when it started, and Jane advised her to just lie
still and be quiet and hope that the attack would
just pass. But as they waited for the swelling and
the fever to subside, all of the bedclothes flew off
the bed and landed in a corner. Jane, terrified, screamed
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and fainted. When the rest of the family rested into
the room, having heard all the screaming, at first they
were afraid that Jane was dead. Olive quickly gathered up
the bed coverings and put them back on our sisters,
but once again they flew into the corner and a ball.
The bed covers were replaced once more, and this time Olive, Daniel, William,
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and John sat on the edges of the bed to
keep the covers in place as Ster's pillow shot out
from under her head and it hit John in the face,
which frightened him out of the room. As Esther's brother,
William brought a bucket of cold water to try to
soothe her aching and feverish head, there were, as in
the first swelling incident, several loud noises from under the bed,
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after which Esther's swelling vanished and she once again slept peacefully.
But the next day, as the family conferred on what
had happened, it was decided that they absolutely needed a
doctor to check on Esther. Daniel visited the family doctor,
doctor Curit, and he described to him all that had happened,
and while the doctor thought it sounded like utter nonsense,
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he did agree that he would go to the house
in the evening and that he would stay until one
am and observe. He initially examined Esther and said that
she appeared to have had a shock and she was
experiencing nervous excitement. Then he saw the pillow under her
head move on its own as before. The pillow shot
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out then from under Esther's head, and this time John
tried to grab it, but it felt as though some
other force was pulling in in opposition. Loud sounds once
again came, initially from under the bed, but then as
the doctor, who seemed to keep a pretty cool head
through all of this, started walking around the room, those
noises seemed to follow him under the floorboards. Then words
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appeared to be etched into the wall over the bed
that said Esther Cox, you are mine to kill. Next,
a piece of plaster came loose from the wall and
flew across the room. Then the banging sounds again, and
the noise continued for two full hours and then stopped abruptly,
the doctor left, promising that he would visit again in
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the morning to check on Esther. When doctor Kat was
in the house the next day, Esther was up. She
was feeling fairly normal and going about her chores. She
went into the cellar, but soon she ran back upstairs,
vinced that someone was hiding there and had thrown a
piece of wood planking at her. The doctor investigated, but
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he found nothing. He asked Esther to come down into
the cellar with him, and once she was there, the
pair were pelted with potatoes, uh and they both immediately
ran back upstairs. That evening, the doctor gave Esther several
sedatives at bedtime and the hopes that she would be
able to rest, but the pounding took place once again,
this time louder and faster than on previous occasions. Eventually
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it shifted so that it sounded like it was coming
from the roof. And up to this point, the family
had kept all of these strange events from their neighbors,
but words soon began to spread this something very unusual
was happening, and this was due in part to the
fact that the pounding sounds started going on all throughout
the day. And night, and they were so loud that
people simply heard them. A few weeks after the doctor's
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first visit, Esther had a spasm or a seizure while
he was there. One night, she went quite still and
then relayed what had taken place between her and Bob McNeil. Yeah,
there are a few instances where she sort of goes
into this almost trance like state and has discussions that
she doesn't really recall. It comes up again later. And
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it was at this same time that esther sister Jane
put forth the idea that whatever the entity was that
was making these noises could also, she thought, here and
understand the family, And so they decided to test this idea.
So they started to ask questions of whatever it was,
things like can you hear us? Three knocks in response,
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And then they asked how many people are in this room?
And five knocks came in response, which was a correct answer.
The family also started to realize that what was happening
was centered around Esther. None of these things were happening
whenever she was out of the house. A well known
Baptist minister named Dr Edwin Clay had heard stories of
the happenings at the Teed house, and he came to investigate,
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and after spending a brief time there and hearing the
knocking in response to questions and seeing the writing appearing
on the walls, he was convinced that it was not
a hoax. But he thought that the shock of being
held at gunpoint by her boyfriend had actually caused Esther
to manifest a sort of electrical charge. If you remember,
the intro at the top of the episode said that
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electricity might have been the cause, and Clay was really
the proponent of this, and he actually toured and gave
lectures on this theory, and in the process of those lectures,
he defended Esther against those who believed she was perpetrating
a hoax. As the story ballooned and more and more
respected members of the community attested to seeing strange things
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like water boiling in a bucket on its own, the
Ted's home became overrun with curious onlookers. There was a
constant stream of visitors and a steady throng of people outside.
There was ongoing debate about whether this was really happening,
or whether it was an elaborate theatricality, or even if
Esther was somehow exerting mind control over people. Yeah. One
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of the theories was that she was planting these ideas
in people's heads, that they weren't actually seeing any of
these things, but they believed that they had. In December
of eighteen seventy eight, all of the poltergeist, which is
what it was being called at this point, activity stopped
when Esther was ill with dip syria. She was on
bed rest for two weeks, and when she had recovered,
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she went to visit another sister of theirs in Sackville,
New Brunswick for another two weeks, and no events happened
while she was in Sackville. Well Esther was away, the
family shuffled rooms. They moved Esther in Jane's room to
a different part of the house to see if it
would stop all these weird problems. On our first night back,
Esther told Jane that a voice had told her it
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was someone who had once been alive, but he had
been dead for some time, and that was going to
set the house on fire. Jane called everyone in and
relayed this odd conversation that Esther said she had had
with a ghost, presumably, and while they were discussing all
of this, a lighted match was said to fall from
the ceiling onto the bed. Jane quickly put this match out,
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but it was followed by eight to ten more that
the rest of the family also put out, and then
one of Esther's dresses caught fire. The family was again
able to extinguish it quickly. Up to this point, the
family had been pretty keen on Dr Clay's theory that
Esther was somehow hyper electrical, but this fire event made
them question whether something of a darker spirit nature was
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going on. According to Hubble's account, Daniel said of the
phenomenon quote, lightning often sets fire to houses and barns,
but it has never yet been known to roam about
a man's house as this strange power does. Several days later,
a fire started in the cellar when only Esther and
Olive were home. The two young boys were home, but
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they were outside playing. The women tried to put it
out this cellar fire with the water bucket from the kitchen,
but they were unsuccessful, and so they ran out into
the street and yelled for help. People began rushing to them,
but it was apparently and this all stood out as
very odd to me. A stranger who just showed up
out of nowhere off the street and put out the
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blaze and then left the house without speaking to anyone.
He does not appear again in any of the Esther stories.
We'll talk about how the village reacted to the fires
in a moment, but we're going to take a quick
break first for a word from a sponsor. So the
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family attributed these fires to a ghost. The fire marshals
of Amherst, on the other hand, thought it was Esther
starting the fires. But regardless, the whole thing made everyone
in the village nervous because no matter what the cause,
if the teed house were to catch fire, it could spread,
and so everyone in the area had a keen awareness
of the danger that this situation posed. One evening in
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January seventy nine, the ghost appeared in the family's parlor
and it told Esther that if she didn't leave, would
burn the house down. Daniels, he was desperate, told Esther
she would have to go, and then it was the
ghost's fault and not his. But the problem was that
no one wanted to take in a young woman who
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either set fires herself or had a ghost that did,
so that was chasing her UH. There was one neighbor,
John White, who had been both fascinated by and sympathetic
to Esther's plate, and so Daniel went to White and
he asked if Esther could stay in the White home,
and John and his wife agreed. For the next two weeks,
Esther actually seemed a lot better. There had been no
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incidents while she stayed with the Whites. The couple treated
her as one of their own children. But in the
third week, a scrub brush banished out of Esther's hand
as she was cleaning, and then it fell from the
ceiling onto her head. For the next few weeks, odd
things continued to happen, and Esther could once again communicate
with this entity call and response style and it would
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respond with pounding. But all of the various things that
were happening there at the White House UH seemed fairly harmless, really,
But after six weeks fires began at the White household.
John White was afraid to leave Esther at the house
when he wasn't there, so we started to take her
to his dining saloon during the day. She worked in
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the kitchen and behind the counter, and it seemed like
the Poulter geist followed her there, Esther's ghost opened up
the large stove in the saloon's kitchen and through an
axe handle that had been used to prop the stove closed.
It was allegedly quite heavy, and then the spirit snatched
a pocket knife from the hand of Mr White's sun
and drove the blade into Esther's back furniture and boxes.
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One box weighing a reported fifty pounds began to move
about the saloon without any obvious source for the motion.
Many witnesses were said to have seen these events. At
the end of March eighteen seventy nine, Esther traveled once again,
this time to St John, New Brunswick. She stayed at
the house of Captain James Beck and his wife for
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three weeks, and her particular problem was observed and examined
by a group of science minded men. Hubble's account reports
that when the men investigating Esther's poltergeist made contact with
it and conversed with it by means of this knocking
and response that had been established by Ester's family, other
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ghost entities also came forth, although the others were all
weaker than Esther's preliminary ghost, who claimed to be someone
named Bob Nichol. Rather than going directly back to amherst
Esther stayed for two months with the Van Amberg's, who
lived in the woods several miles from the village and
had invited her to stay as a guest. Those weeks
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passed uneventfully, and Esther was allowed something of arrest from
the tumult of her recent life. When she got back
to Amhurst, she moved back in with her sister and
brother in law, but she continued to work for Mr
White during the day, so someone always had an eye
on her. Almost immediately, unexplainable things began happening again. It
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was actually during this time that Walter Hubbell entered Esther's life.
He was an actor by trade and wanted to travel
to Amhurston determine whether all this news making Poultergeist activity
was real or a hoax. He felt that his experience
in creating stage illusions gave him enough knowledge to expose
a hoax if there was one. He arrived on June
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twenty one, eighteen seventy nine. We'll talk about it later,
but there's an interesting critical essay about all of this.
It's like, really, that's what an actor thinks he needs
to become like a paranormal investigator. Like I've been in
the theater, I've seen people make things look like they're
happening when they're not. I can super figure out if
this is a real deal or not. Um So, this
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actor turned paranormal investigator was in the home for roughly
five minutes, according to his account, before he witnessed objects,
specifically his umbrella and a carving knife, moving through the
air with no explanation. After moving to a different room,
this activity continued, amplifying to the point that a large
chair was hurdled at him. He at that point decided
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to leave the house for a brief walk before returning.
I'm out of here just for a bit. I'll be
back and go for a quick stroll. There my head
of these objects being thrown. So Hubble began to ask
questions of the spirits. That seems the ones who revealed
themselves when Esther was in St. John had stuck with her,
they answered via knocking, as had become a habit for
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everybody involved. Yeah, so when she came back from St. John.
Just to be clear, all of those other ones that
suddenly made themselves apparent. In addition to Bob Nichol came
along with her, um like they were suddenly part of
the story at this point. Later, Hubble spied on Esther
by pretending to be asleep on the sofa in the
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parlor while she was doing some other things in the
parlor herself, but he was secretly watching her through one eye,
and he said that he witnessed a paperweight fly through
the air that Esther clearly had not thrown herself. Apparently,
the apparitions were not fond of Hubble, and they were
especially active and belligerent when he was near. He cataloged
dozens of events that seemed to be focused on getting
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him to leave and or causing him harm. Hubble wrote
that he quote made the acquaintance of all the ghosts
in the home. There were six altogether, and he asked
them a series of questions. They answered and the affirmative
when he asked us to whether they were in hell
and whether they had seen the devil. Apparently they were
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very affirmative that they had seen the double devil. In particular,
Hubble describes having to pull pins at one point from
Esther's body, as the ghost would stick her with them
through out the day, and they also obliged when he
asked for them to throw him a lighted match, although
they overdid it by throwing several dozen. It just seems
like a very risky thing a match from a pipe
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and specifically throw it to me. After a week in
the house, Hubble and members of the household started to
hear a trumpet being played loudly all day long. Pubbill
also claimed that the trumpet materialized from the spirit realm
and fell to the floor, and that then he kept it. Yeah,
he planned to put it in a museum. Walter Hubbell
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stayed at the Teed house for six weeks, during which
he watched the ghosts hurt Esther by cutting her with
a bone found in the yard and stab at her
face with a fork. He also witnessed Esther falling into
the trance like states that we mentioned before, in which
she spoke with the dead Uh. He saw firsthand the
painful nighttime swelling incidents that had continued since the first manifestation.
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As the summer war on the fire problem became more
intense and Esther once again was moved from the house,
she returned back to the woods to the home of Mr.
And Mrs Van Amberg, where things were relatively quiet once
Esther left the Teed home. All the comphany there came
to an end as well. But in November of eighteen
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seventy nine, Esther was found guilty of arson for the
burning of a barn at another home that she was
staying at, briefly that of the Davison family, and she
claimed that the ghost Bob had set the fire, that
the activity had started up once again, but the jury
was not convinced of this whole Poultergeist story, but after
public outcry, she served only one month of her four
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months sentence. In nineteen nineteen, forty years after the events
surrounding Esther and her possible Poultergeist, Dr Walter F. Prince
published a critical study of the Great Amherst mystery in
the Proceedings of the American Society for Psychical Research, and
in this paper, Prince makes pretty clear a case that
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Hubble exaggerated the details of Esther's case. Hubble, he pointed out,
first published his notes on the Estercox case in eighteen
seventy nine, so the year after it began and the
same year that some of this was still going on.
He then published a total of ten editions of these notes,
augmenting them with each printing and making quite a happy
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sum of money in the process. The summer after the
alleged Poulter guy started its disruption of Esther's life, while
the haunting was still happening, she went on a tour
to talk about the phenomena. Walter Hubble and John White
went with her. But this tour was really a bust.
In the first two stops, the audiences were really belligerent
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and heckled them. All of the other dates were canceled
and the tour abruptly ended. So, as you recall, John
White was the person that her brother in law Daniel
went to desperate and said, will you please take her in?
And this is where we mentioned that that lecture tour
was actually agreed upon as a business venture by those
two men before Hubble had even set foot in Amherst
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h It begins to be very obvious that from the
beginning Walter Hubble saw Esther Cox as a money making opportunity.
Prince wrote of Hubble quote, we are disposed to put
the most favorable construction upon this tendency to dramatize, embellish
and use paint. It's merely histrionic, a projection of the
habitudes of the stage. But when the actor becomes investigator
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and recorder, this tendency will trip him up, especially if
it be stimulated by the mercenary lure. One of the
interesting distinctions made by Prince is the difference between witnesses
and spectators. Uh And while many people are said to
have seen the phenomena of the Teed house and other
places that Esther was, in Hubble's first edition of his notes,
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there's merely the assurance that all of these claims have
been robberated, but no actual statements from anyone else. In
a later edition of the book, Hubble added a statement
that was signed by sixteen witnesses, and Hubble himself wrote
this so called testamentary document. But Prince points out that
the wording only says that the signatories believe what Hubble
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has written, not that they necessarily saw any of this themselves.
As for Olive Teed, she apparently said some contradictory things
during Hubble's account. While she is a signer of the
testamentary document. She is said to have told an investigator
later that Hubble had not given an accurate account. But
then some years later, wrote that everything in the book
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was true. Also, she inadvertently contradicted the Hubble account on
a number of different occasions while relaying her own version
of events. The details and a lot of instances just
don't match up, including the fact that she later told
an investigator that she had never actually seen anything fly
through the air. Prince also points out that a lot
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of the stories running in newspapers about Esther's paranormal situation
cited a common source, and that source is Walter Hubble. Hubble,
in his writing mentioned stories in the paper from before
he became involved, but there's no actual citations for any
of those once he became part of the story, though
there's an abundance of citable newspaper articles. Prince's writing also
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addresses the possible completely mundane cause if many of the
phenomena that we're reported around Esther matches, he points out,
can be easily hidden on somebody's person. There's never any
mention of Esther being searched during any of these accounts.
He also pokes holes and Hubble's account based on its
lack of detail, and points out that often no specifics
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are offered as to the position of Esther during various
moments of this seeming paranormal phenomena. Yeah, there's not really
a breakdown of like Esther couldn't have done it. Here's why.
There just aren't hard details about where she was and
how things were playing out. It's kind of like the
thing I brought up earlier about this mysterious stranger that
shows up and puts out a fire and then vanishes
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and no one knows who it was, so we can't
question him. Uh, there's a lot of that that goes
on in the book and the next part. Keep in
mind this was written in ninete, so really at a
time when psychiatry and psychology was still in its infancy
compared to what we know today. But Prince makes a
case that Esther was probably a young woman in a
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great deal of shock after that incident with Bob McClean,
which he felt was almost certainly an instance of attempted
sexual assault, and in that state where her mental health
may have been compromised, she embarked, likely subconsciously, upon the
strange behavior that came to be known as the Amherst Poltergeist.
After Esther's brief incarceration for arson, the poltergeist Bob seems
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to have disappeared. Esther went on to Mary twice, first
to Adam Porter on March third, eight two in spring Hill, Nova, Scotia,
and then again to Peter Shanahan on July in Amherst.
Esther died in Brockton, Massachusetts, on November eighth, at the
age of fifty two. This is still one of those
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cases that people um like to point to and talk about,
you know how, how very uh realistic. It all seems
that clearly this is a real haunting. Um. And of
course there are plenty of skeptics as well. I don't
think it's a secret that I tend to fall on
the skeptic side of things. Well, especially this is this
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is not the first haunting story we've had on the
show where haunting was purportedly happening and mostly the family
where the people who know about it and then another
person arrives on the scene and later writes a book. Yeah,
that's definitely a pattern. Uh. And as the Prince s
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a an examination points out like that there were business
dealings going on around this that clearly we're intended to
make money off of the situation, which automatically throws any
accounts relaid by those people into some serious doubt. So,
uh that is a scoop. Don't be scared of hauntings. Uh.
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