March 19, 2019 • 45 mins
The chances are pretty low that you’ll find yourself lost in the desert, but on the off chance you do you’ll thank yourself that you listened to this episode, where we guide you to safety.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works
dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. You
put the three of us together, and you've got stuff
you should know just in case you ever get lost
(00:22):
in the desert. Is what we're going to give as
our gift to you. Tradition. You know, it's funny as
I was reading a podcast newsletter today, like an industry newsletter,
and I'm gonna buzz market it, alright, uh, and I
mean there's only one now, there's probably more than one.
There's several, are there? I think? So all right, I
should get on there. I've seen at least two. Two
(00:43):
can be several, right, isn't that the Biblical unit? Several
is two? I thought the Biblical unit was a cubit, right.
I'm glad we can laugh at this one. Um. And
it said there was an article specifically about podcast burnout,
and they interviewed someone that was like, you know, she
(01:05):
started podcasting in two thousand seventeen and blah blah blah
and experienced burnout. And I gotta laughed. I was like,
I mean, I get it, like people burn out in
different ways and they may have a it's tougher workload
than us. But I just sort of snickered that after
eleven or click going on, eleven years, very soon ye
have this April, but eleven years, like we we have
(01:27):
moments of not burnout, like we get a little warm
kind this again, but that quickly passes very quickly. You know.
I'm never like I've never burned out. I would say
that where I don't want to do this or anything. No,
I know, I would say there's probably been like literally
five times. I'm sorry to use the word literally, but
(01:49):
I literally mean literally in this sense, yes, because you've
built a statue of paper machee after each time represent
each burnout, right, and they're they're on my desk, you
can count them. Is five. But it comes in like
just digging into a topic at a time when there's
like a bunch of other stuff going on or whatever.
It's just been a really long stretch where maybe we're
(02:11):
recording more than usual, and then when we get in
here to record, it's gone agreed. That's when it doesn't happen.
I don't think I've ever been and let me knock
on wood. I don't think I've ever been in a
recording session with you and been like not wanted to
do it, agreed my friend. And weirdly, I am more
burnt out with movie crush at times like it sounds.
(02:33):
Trust me, I'm not seriously complaining, But ask Emily how
many times I've been like, I gotta watch this movie
tonight notes on because it takes long, and like I
have to pause to take the notes because I don't
want to miss anything. So it takes like three and
a half hours to watch a movie and take notes.
And plus, how I guess you're you're fundamentally not able
to enjoy the movie. It's not like enjoying a movie, right,
(02:55):
you're quite analyzing it a little bit. And it's at night.
I'm kind I guess you're right, kind of, but and
it's at night, so it's like I'm technically not at work,
and sometimes it's just like I don't want to watch whatever.
Yeahint point break? Who's who's his point break? Jordan Morris
of Bubble and Jordan Jesse go, Okay, yeah, point break
(03:16):
is a good one. No, no, no no, it was. It
was really kind of fun watching that. Actually I don't
know why I pulled that one up, okay, because it
was the most recent one I watched. But to take
notes on point break and it can be a little tedious,
right bra. There's that one great part where they do
the midnight surf and Kiano has just learned, you know,
(03:38):
and you just hear this because it's obviously a d
R like recorded afterwards, and you just hear him yell
m E and surfing. Man. It's just such a great line.
Does he say E or the F word? Well, he
says the F word. That would have been better if
you have said maybe on T n T that's how
it said. Oh boy, um, oh there's one. Oh have
(04:00):
you seen that? Sorry, I know we haven't even started yet.
Have you seen that video of Keanue on the New
York I believe subway giving a seat up to a
lady who's standing. No, but he is a legendary good guy, yes,
who's been through some horrible stuff. Yeah. Um, And I
(04:20):
just want to be his friend, Kenna Reeves. If you're listening, friends, okay,
well he's your friend first because you asked, well, we
could share him, okay, all right? Tuesdays and Thursdays that's
fine together. Okay, all right, that's a fair. You can
have him well alternate weekends, okay, because you know Canda
(04:41):
on the weekends. That's that's a party. He think he's
a good guy Monday through Thursday. See how many seats
he gives up on a Saturday. Alright, wait, hold on,
one more thing. Can you imagine Kenna Reeves listening to
this conversation at first, kind of chuckling himself, and it's
getting like weirder and weird. Rights finally pressent stop and
maybe you never listens again. We just blew our chance.
(05:02):
Chuck all right, one more thing and then I swear
I'm done. I meant to tell you that I did
some l A sessions recently for movie Crush and UH
the Great Show High Maintenance on HBO. It's one of
my all time favorites. The dude on there, Ben Sinclair
as the guy, the we delivery guy, UH is just
like one of the main reasons I went there in
(05:23):
person was just so I could meet him. I meet
him and the first thing he said was is, hey, man,
I used to listen to you and Josh when I
UH was a shusher at this lesbian poetry bar, and
I was like what. I was like, first of all,
it's a sushre. He's like, it's a poetry bar, you know.
I said, there and shush people, and he's like, but
he usedill listen. You guys always wonder what you look like?
(05:44):
Did Josh quit smoking? And I was like, why don't
you people ever reach out right, like do you know
what that would admit to me? Which he was just
a susure at the time, so maybe I know, but
now he's made it. Yeah, So anyway, I told him
that you quit smoking, You're doing great. I don't think
he's listening for a bit, but do you think he's
listening now? I don't know if he got back on
the train or not, but if he did, do you
(06:04):
think he's friends with Ken Reeve? Oh? Maybe? But ben
Claire gives up his seat for no person. And if
you if you say, like, maybe you should stand up,
he goes, no, he would give up his seat. Okay, anyway,
let's talk about desert survival. Imagine Chuck ben Sinclair is
(06:24):
making his way through the desert in his car, priests
will say, and he runs out of not just gas
but electricity as well, which he might he has a
big RV. Actually that's worked into the show. Okay, he's
in his RV, so he just straight up runs out
of gas, which probably happens a couple of times a
day in a big old r V, I would imagine. Okay, Um,
(06:47):
Ben's in trouble because Ben was not expecting to have
this extended stop and unexpected stop in the desert, so
he did not bring a few things. Okay, if Ben,
we're paying a little less attention to whether people were
talking you need to be shushed or not, and more
attention to his desert survival. What would he have packed
in that RV, Chuck, Well, Ben Sinclair would have had
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probably a pound of weed. Okay, so he's got a
good start there because he could burn that for a
signal fire or for comfort and warmth. Um well, I
mean I wrote this dumb article. This is a great article.
Did you notice my stupid thing I did with the
music titles? Sure, the Oasis thing and all of them
are song titles. All the sidebars are song titles. And
(07:30):
that was back when I was like, oh man, I
am the most clever person alive. So I got the
wonder wall one. Um, rescue me. Okay, I gotta me,
but I was thinking more of the TV show than
the song. There's also so everybody, if you go onto
how Stuff works dot Com right now and look up
how Desert Survival works. Each page, almost every page has
(07:52):
a a a sidebar, and the title of the sidebars
are song titles. Rescue me. After all, you're my wonder wall.
What's what could it be? It's a mirage? What would
it be? It's a mirrage? What is that I'm telling y'all,
let's sabotage? Okay, that's a good one. And then finally
a little shout out to uh Annie food, glorious food. Okay,
(08:14):
so that was that was what used to make me
happy at work. Yeah, I remember those days. Yeah you too.
When you do like a clever photo caption and that
would be that would get you through the week. We
would stand up and like share it over the cubicle wall.
Look at photo caption. Yeah no, it's gonna blow everybody's mind.
All right. So, uh, you're in the desert, you want
(08:35):
to have uh well, let's just let's just talk about
this stuff. Okay. Yeah, what what should be in your
kid water? A mirror? Uh? That's a big one way
to start a fire. Yeah, that's a big one too. Basically,
it's a lighter, food water. If you're gonna cross the desert,
have a lighter, which seems counterintuitive because it's hot in
the desert, but no, trust us. Well you'll see you
want a lighter on you a mirror which you'll see too. Yeah,
(08:59):
that's what we'll do. We'll say what's supposed to be
in the pack and in the r V, and then
we'll go back and we'll Okay, I'm suddenly burned out.
Should we take a break? Yeah? All right, let's take
a break and let's start the podcast in earnest. All right, everybody,
(09:39):
welcome to stuff you should know. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,
there's Cherry over there, and we're talking desert survival. So
let's get to it. And so this is all due
to the fact that we just recorded a very tough episode.
So we're clearly just goofing off now. Um, so we're
talking about deserts, and we did a desert episode yeah,
and a desertification episode two, and I think one on
the dust Bowl. But something that all deserts have in
(10:02):
common is not sand, is not even heat. It's a
lack of water. Technically, Antarctica is the largest desert on
the world in the world, um, and there's lots of water,
but it's all locked up as ice. There's no available
water in exactly the same way as there's basically no
available water in Death Valley in California. UM. Deserts have.
(10:26):
The next thing that they have most frequently in common
is again not sand, but exposed bedrock. All of those
cool formations or whatever that's actually the bottom of the
earth you're seeing exposed. All the soil has been dried
out for so long because basically it's been pants. Um.
We've got some good pants stories by the way, King
(10:47):
soon Yeah. Um, the soil is so dry that it
can't be held in place, so wind is blown it away.
And so what you're seeing is the exposed bedrock. Sand
only makes up something like of the world's death. Yeah.
I mean, you've got pebbles, you have desert soil. Sometimes
that bedrock you were talking about, We're gonna talk about
(11:08):
O a CS. So I think Anarctic is survivor an
Arctic survival or even Arctic survival deserves its own episode
short Day. So we're just gonna be talking about hot
deserts and all of that sand and exposed bedrock and
pebbles bakes in the sun and shoots that heat back
(11:29):
out and it's just super hot. Okay. Yeah, so water
is the biggest obviously the biggest, biggest problem. If you
get trapped in the desert on foot or in a car, uh,
and you think about, like, never go desert hiking. I
don't need to worry about this. But have you ever
been like, oh, I'm gonna take the long route through
from Texas to California because it's more scenic. Uh, And
(11:53):
then your car breaks down and you're in big trouble
if you don't know what you're doing. Um. That happened
to a woman. I can't find her name right now,
but she is a She was a grandmother. I believe
she's seventy two, who was driving in her Prius and
it ran out of gas and electricity on the way
I believe to Phoenix, and Um, she had an unexpected
trip with her dog for nine days and survived amazing. Yeah.
(12:19):
Did she eat her dog? No, Luckily she did not
have to eat her dog. Did she survive on the
saliva of her dog. Yeah, they well they spit in
one another's mouth, so it was kind of but they
did that any it was a wash. So, Uh, dehydration
is obviously the first kind of UM physical symptom you
might experience if you run out of water, uh decreased
(12:41):
frequency of urine. Of course, if your urine is very
smelly or very deep yellow, your mouth is going to
be dry, your you know, as things increase, uh dehydration wise,
you're gonna get sunken eyes, your heartbeats gonna increase. And
if you get to the stage where you literally have
no urine, or if you're vomiting and have diarrhea, then
(13:02):
you're pretty bad shape. Yeah, So vomiting and diarrhea is
like the last thing you want to do while you're dehydrated,
because all it is is just getting rid of any
remaining hydration you have. It's not good. That's that's a
bad reaction to dehydration. Um. And we'll talk about heat
casualty coming up, but UM kind of psyched about that bit.
(13:23):
Oh yeah. But when we talk about water and rationing water,
there's an old saying ration sweat not water, meaning UM,
don't like drink all your water at once, but rahtion
you're sweat like they say not to you know, if
you are lost like this, like don't go hiking to
find civilization during the peak of day. You want to
(13:45):
ration how much output, how much you're sweating. Um, But
you you do have to take in that water. Yeah,
So when you're in the desert, you you recommend or
I should say the experts recommend because it's obviously very
well research starticle um that that somebody drink a gallon
of water a day. Well, I mean that's what they say.
(14:07):
If you've got like a you know, unlimited amounts of
water a gallon a day, you need a rashtion it
somewhat if you have very limited water obviously, But what
you don't want to do, which happens a lot of times,
is to be found dead with water in your canteen. Yeah,
which is it's haunting sure and um And like you said,
I mean you want to you want to rashtion your sweat,
(14:29):
not your water, but you do kind of want to
rash in your water, like you know, I don't want
to be a little water piggy right out of the gate.
But you also you recommend um via the experts that
you that you don't just wait until you're thirsty, because
you'll only get about two thirds of the amount of
water you actually need just by going by thirst. You
(14:50):
want to actually stop and like drink more water than
you think you need. Yeah, and if you're hiking around again,
we we talked about morning and evenings or the best
time to go look for how um, if you see
a trail, go down that trail because you have a
better chance of finding someone there. Um. Follow the birds.
Birds generally and animals go towards water. Yeah, Apparently if
(15:13):
they're circling in the morning or the evening, they're probably
circling around water. Try and get some groundwater going. But
very wisely you point out through the experts that if
there's like a little, you know, small mountain in between
you and those birds, in a longer way around the
mountain that's flat, take the longer way that's flat, because
(15:35):
even though you might cut off a couple of hours
between you and the birds, you're gonna really exert yourself
going up that mountain, Whereas instead you want to you
want to take the longer but slower, less exerting path
to get to that water where the birds are circling
for sure. If you're with someone, um, don't talk. I mean,
(15:56):
you know, you can talk some, but don't just chat
about your day. Try to conserve your words, Try and
breathe through your nose. What do you think about grace jump?
If you happen to see any wet sand or standing
water anywhere, then you're in luck because you can dig
down in there and you will probably find more water
(16:16):
under you know this groundwater underneath it, which is that's
a benaans. If you find like a groundwater in the desert,
you're probably gonna be okay. Yeah. If you don't find
any water and you run out of water, you're probably
not going to be okay. No, you also want to fire,
which you said isn't very intuitive, but uh, if you've
(16:39):
ever spending time in the desert, the temperature swings are huge.
You can get cold in the desert at night, and
then fire allows you to purify water. There's that whole
safety feeling. It keeps mountain lions away, right. Sure. I
would guess just about any critters don't go near fire
because they associated with wildfires in the desert. Brush fires
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rescue signal. You can you can do that, I'll trick.
I think we even did a show on smoke signals
early on. No, I don't think so. No, No, And
I've wanted to keep forgetting to write. Are you sure.
I'm pretty sure it was like an early, early early
to go listen to it because I wanted to do that.
It's probably not very good. Um, but your whole point
of all this is to find people and to get rescued. Yeah,
(17:23):
you make a great point about that. Yeah, Like, like
the point of being lost in the desert is to
make yourself visible. Yeah. The point of not being lost
rather or being lost in finding rescue the key to
being found. How about that? Right? So, if you are
in a car, if your car is not working anymore,
it's out of gas or whatever, flat dire um, blow
(17:44):
it up. Basically, stick a hanky in the gas tank
and just blow it up. So you want to stick
the hanky in the gas tank. You want to fashion
a bow and arrow, light the arrow, stand back and
shoot the cars gas tank. That's what you want to know.
You want to open your hood entire rag to it
or a bandanna around your antenna or something anything like
(18:06):
a typical sign of distress. Um, if anything to make
it like something's up here. Sure. Yeah, like even if
the hood is fine, like you raise a hood as
an indicator. Yeah, like if there's no engine trouble, right,
you can still raise the hood. It's all right. Nobody's
gonna like arrest you when they rescue you. Uh, if
you can spell out UM S O S or something
(18:28):
like that with help clothing or help on the ground,
for if a helicopter or plane is nearby. Yeah, that's that.
That woman in Arizona was rescued by writing help. I
think that's actually how they found her. She wrote help
and sticks. Oh really yep. Nice. Her dog told her
to do it. That stuff works. Uh, if you are
in your car, you've got a leg up because you
(18:51):
have your rear view mirror or your side view mirror.
That just just go ahead and break that thing off
and use it. Yeah. I think he said in the
first few minutes that we're trying to forget about now
that you want to have a mirror in your survival
pack no matter where wherever you're going hiking. Yeah, but
a lot of people don't have survival packs in their car,
(19:12):
like most people. I think, I mean, I don't know,
I think about it. I've got like jumper cables and
some rain cks. Does that count? You know? After that
last stupid Atlanta I storm a few years ago that
stranded people snow apocalypse. Yeah, I um, I think I
had something in my car after that, but I have
(19:32):
a different car now. It wasn't much, but it was
like some water and a blanket and some like granola bars.
I need to like stock up minded Emily's car with
that stuff. Yeah, for sure, you never know. I think
they just remember when we had some tornadoes in Atlanta
a few years ago. You and I were like, we
really need like a crank radio and like all this stuff.
We started together, and you're like, oh, I wonder what's
on TV? Before your note? You're watching the Japanese game shows.
(19:57):
He'd forgotten like eight hours go by. But a signal
mirror is important, you know, you just uh flash that thing.
It says here too. I was about to make fun
of it, but I realized I wrote it. But practice
on a nearby rock a good advice, you know. I mean,
you don't want your first attempt at signaling somebody with
a mirror to be while you're trying to signal somebody
(20:17):
in a passing aircraft. Probably so. And I mean like,
if there's no cloud cover, you can get somebody at
like thirty feet if you do it right. So heck, yeah,
practice on a rock. What else are you gonna do
while you're sitting around in the shade. Nothing? Yeah, there
might be a Delta pilot up there. That's like, oh god,
what is that? That's so annoying. You should have a
whistle in your survival kit so you can blow it
(20:39):
if you see someone from far away and um, they
recommend that if you honk your horn for help, to
be like hunk unk honk, and then wait and honk
honk honk, because if you just lay on it like
you're if you're in traffic, someone might hear that and
just think this car has this horn stuck. Yeah, those
be like that's so annoying. I'm gonna continue on past
(21:01):
this weird um path and death valley that no one
should be down. So let's say horn is stuff. Let's
say you are in your car, your car is is
jacked up, um, and you're like, all right, I've exhausted
my resources here, screw this, i gotta go take a hike,
leave a note on your car and say like, hey,
(21:22):
I'm broken down and I've gone northwest on at two
a pm on Tuesday. Also, I'm Chuck Bryant, who hopefully
you're looking for. You found him. Check out my podcast
Stuff you Should Know and movie Crush. Yeah, never miss
an advertising opportunity. But if you do stay with your car, Yeah,
it's like, just don't sit around in your car, like
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sit in the shade. And they even say to sit
on a blanket. Yeah. The reason being is because there
can be something like a thirty degree height temperature difference
between the ground and the air above the ground. Nuts.
That's that's how barren and hot the ground gets. And
it's it's not like the air above the ground is cool.
It's still hot because the ground is heating it. But
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the ground itself is taking in all of that unbroken,
unfiltered sunlight directly into it, holding as much as it can,
and then shooting it back out. Is basically infrared heat
um back into space through you. And if your butt
is touching the ground through conduction, it's going to transfer
directly to you or as through the air, be going
(22:23):
through convection from the air to your butt, which is
not nearly as efficient as conduction, So don't sit directly
on the ground. Even sitting on a rock is better
than sitting on the ground. But ideally you want to
find the shade that your car is producing, whether it's
the hood that's up or or just the car itself
or whatever, and sit in that shade as best you can.
(22:46):
Get your feet off the ground, like you said, I
think too. Yeah, and take off your shoes and socks,
especially if you're hiking around um during your breaks. Uh.
They also say to not take off your clothes. Your
instinct might be to take your clothes off, but um,
those clothes you want them soaking up sweat because that'll
cool you downright. Um. And also you know you don't
(23:09):
want to be you don't want to take your shirt
off and also have like a third degree sunburn after
day either. I thought about that too. It's like that's
I mean that that clothes that situation worse. Right, it's
doing something to protect you from the UV. You know.
I think it teaches the average T shirt as like
a SPF of four or something like that. That's better
than nothing. Um. Also, chuck if you are right, and
(23:33):
I guess if like you're actually using this information we're
giving you right now. First of all, good luck we're
pulling for you. Secondly, um, if you are going to
take off your shoes, don't do it in the sun
because just that exposure of your bare feet to the
sunlight for that short of a time can make your
feet swell and you might not be able to get
your shoes back on, which if you do end up
(23:53):
having to hoof it out of there, you want your shoes.
You don't want your feet all swoll up. No, so
take take your shoes off and let your dogs air
out in the shade. Only make a little hat if
you don't have one out of whatever, You've got something
in your car or something whatever. Like, If you have
a piece of cardboard, put it on your head. This
is the greatest sentence. God, I know I loved it.
(24:17):
Are you really you didn't like this this article? Huh?
I don't know. It's just sort of a reminder of
darker days at this job. So may I read this? Sure,
if you don't have a hat to wear, fashion a
head covering with what you have on hand. You may
look silly wearing a cardboard hat, but your goal is
to survive, not win a beauty contest, and Lord drink
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a leader of water per hour to stay properly. We
cut out that part earlier because it didn't sound right.
I mean, maybe that's if you have all the water
in the world, but that just sounds like that's a
lot of water. How you burn through your water? Uh,
if your car is stuck And this actually happened to
me once. I got a car stuck in the desert
one time in the middle of the night with my
(24:59):
friend when I yeah, I got it out without deflating
my tires. But they say if you're stuck in the sand,
to deflate your tires just a little bit. Um, don't
like start goosing it because you're gonna dig yourself in more.
Just apply like steady accelerator pressure and turn your wheels
kind of back and forth a little bit. Let a
little bit of air and you might be able to
(25:20):
get out of there. Yeah, again, don't let a lot
of air out because if you do get out, you
still need to drive back home, and you don't want
to do that on overly deflated tires. Okay, Um, So
if you're going to should we should we take a break?
Now you think oh why not. Okay, we're gonna take
a break, everybody. There's there's a lot more to come.
(25:41):
You're not toast yet because we have more stuff to
tell you how to survive in the desert right after this.
(26:11):
I really do love that sentence. That was a great sentence.
There's one more in here. I can't wait to call out.
So I'm sure I know what it is. Uh, should
we talk about oaces? Sure? I mean it depends on
where you are. But you know, the an oasis is
just when wind has blown away enough sand that you
(26:31):
get down to that groundwater. It's all an oasis is. Yeah,
you know, like an aquifer. Yeah, imagine if there's nothing
above the aquifer, now you've got a lake boom, that's
an oasis. Yeah. But they can they can be big
enough and exposed enough that you can have this like
lush oasis in the middle of the desert. There's really
no better word for it. Yeah. And then you know, um,
(26:54):
if you're in the Sahara Desert, like the communities form
around these oaces, there's one very large one called the
Cargo Oasis that is a hundred miles long and depending
on where you are, twelve to fifty miles wide. Yeah,
there's plenty big to hold small towns. Plenty big. It is,
(27:18):
it is. I'm just laughing at this article. I can't
believe I wrote this thing. I I really value this article.
This is its great, well written, well researched. This is
when I was assigned, you know, your survival guy and
I wrote a lot of these. You know, we've covered
a few of them on the show, but plenty left.
I thought these days were over. Uh. If you are hiking,
(27:39):
the first thing they say is to walk slowly. You
may you're instinct maybe to get out of there fast
and find help fast. Very good advice, but that's no
good no. Not only do you want to remind yourself
to slow down, because that's what it takes. You're not
gonna just walk slowly automatically. You're gonna be freaked out.
So you have to stay calm and say I've got
(28:01):
to walk slow and just take breaks every about ten
minutes out of every hour. I think. Um, but if
you're with a group, you want to walk, Um, you
want to set your pace by the slowest and least
fit person in the group. Just everybody walk that slow.
That person will help pace everybody else um, and it
will keep that person from just dying trying to keep up,
(28:24):
like literally dying trying to keep up. I mean everyone
else has to be like, geez, big Larry in the
back is really holding us back. But big Larry is
probably walking at the right speed, which is slow. Yeah,
at least for you, he's walking slow enough for you
to slow you down. That's right. That's not a T shirt,
but it's still true. Should we get to your favorite
(28:44):
part of this, which is heat casualty. Yes, I know
you've got some science on this, right, yes, Well, the
three major categories are heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and then
heat stroke in that order. Yeah, and heat cramps or
you know you can get those on a hot afternoon
if you're out playing frisbee, you can. And all of
it comes down to it's just basically an escalating um
(29:08):
imbalance between water and the salt loss. So so like
the electrical conduction in your muscles and all that from
your heart to your legs is out of whack because
you have lost a lot of water and you still
have a higher salt concentration. Or else you've lost a
lot of salt and there's still enough water that you're
you're just not your muscles aren't aren't working quite right,
(29:30):
so they can cramp. Right if that happens, you say,
drink like a power aid. If you got it, what
are you sitting there holding onto it for in the
first place. For if you're lost in the desert with
a power aid, I mean fire it down. It's like
I don't like blue purple um. So that's step one.
If you have a power aid. If not, if you
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have some water, drink the water. The cramps are gonna
go away. You can overcome um he cramps pretty easily,
it sounds like, but you want to stop, rest, get
in some shade, stop moving, and attend to the heat
cramps for sure. Yeah, that may lead to heat exhaustion
if you don't have water and this, like you said,
it's just an escalation of that imbalance. Um. You may
(30:12):
be irritable or feel weak, or have a headache, or
if you're vomiting and have nausea or clammy skin, then
that's like heat exhaustion is seriously setting in. It is
um and so again, like salt and electrolytes are really
important to the electrical conduction in your body and your
body moves through electrical conduction. It's a big, big component.
(30:34):
So if that's off, your body's off. But then if
you're really in trouble, you're you enter into heat stroke.
And this is the point where your body's system at
getting rid of heat has been overwhelmed by the heat
it's taking on and you're in big trouble. When that happens, Basically,
on a cellular level, your body is failing systemically because
(30:58):
proteins aren't folding. Actually, in proteins do just about everything
there is to do in a cell. They're starting to
clump up and get weird. Then cells are suddenly dying. Um.
One of your body's main tricks at getting rid of
heat is through convection, sending your hot blood to the
surface of your skin, which is why if you go
into a sauna, your your skin gets flushed. But also
(31:21):
if you'll notice your heart is pumping, is beating really hard,
even though you're just sitting there. You're in the heat.
And the reason why is your heart is working overtime
shooting blood out to your skin to get rid of
heat so that your body can cool down. It's using
your blood as a heat transfer mechanism and your heart
actually speeds up. You're actually pumping out up to eight
(31:43):
liters a minute of blood, more than your heart usually
pumps out when you're starting to enter heat strokes. So
it's a big deal. Yeah, I would imagine that would
put you in danger of cardiac arrest. Yes, I think
that's one of the results of that whole thing of
severe heat stroke. So bad headaches, very dizzy, nausea, vomiting,
(32:04):
your muscles might be spasm ing. That heart rate like
you were talking about, is way high and you may
be full on hallucinating at this point, or you may
fall unconscious. Like heat stroke is no joke. Um, So
you gotta find shade fast, which is I mean, that's
the biggest part of our biggest challenge in desert survival
is finding shade. You know, there's just nowhere yeh, but
(32:25):
the big rock can be your shade exactly, like whatever,
it doesn't matter, just fine shade because the difference between
shade and sunlight in the desert is substantial. Yeah, And
they like if you have any water, like now is
the time. This is when you're found dead with your
canteen full of have full of water because you're like, no, like,
I still I'm a day away from finding help, right,
(32:46):
you have no idea how far you're Yeah, like, this
is go time to save your life. Plus, also, if
you have any cool compresses, put them in your armpits,
put them in your groin. Yeah, um, do whatever you
can do cool, cool yourself down. Uh I do you
have any cold compresses left over from the party around
the campfire the night before? Apparently? Yeah, you're like, if
I can only called down, Oh wait a minute, I
(33:08):
have a frozen compress I can put in my crotch. Um.
They are all kinds of animals in the desert that
can be dangerous. Um, whether it's spiders, um. Tran Chillas
are scary looking, but they're probably not gonna kill you. Yeah.
They don't really care about you. They don't want to
bite you and knew what they do bite you. It's like, ah,
stupid tranchila. Yeah, I mean, none of these things wanna
(33:31):
find you, like you will find these brown reclusives and
black widows under rocks or under brush or something like that.
So don't go reaching in there. Don't go reaching in
some hole like Timothy Dalton and Flash Gordon. You know,
what hole did he reach into? You saw Flash Gordon, right, No,
the old one. You should probably enjoy that. I didn't
(33:52):
realize that was Timothy Dalton in there. I thought it
was a blonde guy. Well he played U Flash Gordon,
but Timothy Dalton played the bad guy, one of the
bad guys. But there was a challenge where they had
to stick their hand in this big hole and there
was a stinging creature inside this blob. It sounds like
that Joe Rogan show. What was they called? You mean
(34:12):
the Joe Rogan podcast? No, no fear Factor. Remember Fear Factor.
I used to like that show. That was a good show.
I could never have done that show though, because of
the stuff you eat. Yeah, there was some gross stuff.
That's where I just I was like, I can do
all that stuff, but I can't eat that. I can't
eat gross things. You could have done everything else though, well,
I mean to a certain degree, but um, yeah, there's
(34:34):
no way I could eat eat those nasty things. Yeah,
you'd probably have an easier time with that than me. Um.
I don't know, man, I think that would be pretty disgusting.
On top of that, though, like doing things like sticking
my hand in something or having like a box full
of like spiders put over my head or scorpions or
whatever I could do that I would not. I mean,
(34:54):
like for what to be on TV. Well, exactly, all right,
be TV is so great, everybody, it's not. It's cracked
up to be certainly not where the box of scorpions
on your head? Speaking of scorpions, there are thirty different types,
more than thirty different types of scorpions and just Arizona,
so uh. And they're all over the place, you know,
(35:15):
They're in Georgia and in the mountains, in the woods
of Georgia. Very few of them are poisonous, Nah, not
very many at all. I think a couple of them
can actually kill a person with their venom um by
stinging you with that tail. They'll still hurt you though,
Just don't go near the scorpions. Yeah, I mean, you
can get sick from any of these things. Like a
black widow is probably not gonna kill you either. No,
(35:36):
but if you're already like in danger of something like
he stroke exactly, a black widow bite is not going
to help, and it's going to be exacerbated tremendously. No,
But if you do get stung or bitten by something
like that. And if you don't have that cool compress
and your crutch, use that cool compress around the biters sting,
(35:58):
don't elevate it. Yeah, that's a big one. Sure. You
also want to put it kind of a loose turning
kid around it. You want to be able to fit
one finger in the tourniquet so tight ish, I guess
there's a way to put it. Yeah, And again get
in the shade, wash it off with some soap and
water if you have it, and then just dump that
water all over the ground. This is used up. Uh.
(36:20):
And then we have snakes, rattle snakes, and coral snakes
are gonna be your biggest danger. And remember coral snakes
are red, yellow, and black. And there's a very helpful
saying red touches yellow. It can harm a fellow. Red
touches black. Make it a snack. No, red touches black.
(36:43):
It's okay for jack. And this raises my second favorite sentence. No,
just remember you're Jack in this scenario. It's okay for Jack. Now, finally,
I think we sound drunk. We're not um. There are
(37:09):
lizards um specifically, the do you say HeLa monster or
Gila monster. I think it's HeLa. I think it is.
The British say gila and the wrong right they say aluminium. Um.
So the Gila monster and the Mexican beaded lizard um
the beat. It is only in Mexico and Guatemala, but
(37:29):
you can find those gilas in the in the US
of A. Those are big daddies, though they get up
like two ft I think, and this is actually my
favorite sentence. So I'm talking here about the Mexican beaded
white to yellow spots and stripes on their rays scales.
It's about a foot long. I described the Gila monster.
And they say, however, if you see a two foot
(37:50):
long lizard coming in your direction, maybe you should just
walk the other way. It's sound advice. I thought you
were joking when you picked this article. No, I think
gets a good article. I don't understand why you're being
so hard on yourself. All right, this last part is
legitimately interesting. I think the fact of the podcast is
contained in here, like the uncontented fact. Go ahead, No, no,
(38:15):
it's your fact, that's not my fact. Alright. Two big
other dangers to other big dangers or sandstorms and flash floods.
Sandstorms can be very fast or they can last for
a long time. They can last weeks in the Middle East.
But if you're driving, you don't want to drive through
a standstorms to pull over and like put on your hazards,
(38:35):
roll up your windows. Yeah, why did you say turn
off your headlights? Do you remember that? I get why
you put on your hazards, But why turn off your headlights?
Is it because you don't want to wear your battery out? Maybe?
I think so? Okay, Yeah, that would be my guess,
because I didn't know if maybe that created electrical conductivity
or something and lead to lightning. Maybe. I And if
you're hiking around and there's a sandstorm, then try and
(38:57):
tie something or pull your shirt up over your face.
But those sunnies, um, they say, if you have spare water,
wet the cloth before you put it over your face,
and then I'm granting you the fact of the pie.
Let's talk about flash flooding. Flash floods because the desert
does not absorb water very easily. Um, because it's basically bedrock,
(39:18):
and water doesn't go into bedrock easy. Um. Like if
it rains, it rains hard, and it rains fast. And
a substantial amount comes down and it collects very quickly
because it has nowhere to go and can create what
are known as flash floods. Because of this, more people
drown in the desert than die of thirst. That's what
(39:39):
they say. That is an amazing fact. That's one of
the most amazing facts I've ever heard in my life.
It really is. Um. And then what was the James
Franco movie The True Story where seven hours? Yeah, like
there was a flash flood in that, right, I don't,
I think so. I feel like he was it rained
and he was like, oh, thank god, it's raining, and
then the water to start a rising really fast around
(40:00):
because he was in a gully. But if you like,
don't camp out overnight in a dry creek bed, because
it is no joke. It can It can happen really fast.
And I was driving through New Mexico once on my
big out west trip post college, and my friend and
I drove through the most hellacious storm I've ever seen
(40:20):
in my life. Um, and we literally saw water running
flowing uphill and I was like, am I seeing things?
And he's like, no, dude, He's like, that is definitely
uphill And water was flowing up hill some how, I
guess it was just so much of it. But we
drove through it until we saw um in front of us, Uh,
(40:43):
telephone poles like down in the on the highway, like
all in front of us. Were like, I think we
should probably pull over at this point, and we waited out.
But they're usually pretty quick. It's not like it does
this for like days like it does in Atlanta. It
was like like thirty minutes of rain, but it can
be inches and inches of water and again like six
(41:04):
inches can pick up a car and carry it away.
It can certainly pick you up off of your feet.
And there's plenty of stories about people being drowned in
canyons and Petra Jordan's the very famous archaeological site. People
like every ten twelve years, like a couple of dozen
people will suddenly drown in a flash flood because they
(41:24):
were totally unprepared and in the wrong place when it
just the sky just opened up on them. So it
definitely does happen, for sure. Yeah, the good the pluss
thing about the desert with understorms is, uh, you see
it coming from a long way away, like it's they
happen fast, but it's just so wide open out there.
Like we remember driving for like an hour and a
half towards this storm. I was like, man, that looks
(41:46):
pretty bad up there. And the closer we got and
then it was just like, you know, hell had been
unleashed on us, right, So what you did, you like
drive to higher ground or now we we just kind
of just pulled off to the side of the road
and waited like half an hour and then it lightened up.
But it was crazy. Yeah, it was pretty scary. I
mean not being in a car, but just seeing how,
like the debt, it went from sand to feeling like
(42:08):
we were in a river in like twenty minutes. That's crazy.
Glad you made it, Chuck, you survived to write this article,
which was a good article. Um, if you want to
see this article yourself in person, go to house stuff
works dot com and type in Desert Survival by one
Chuck Bryant and you will agree with me. It's a
good article. And since I said that it's time for
(42:29):
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I think this is a really appropriate listener mail. Funny
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(42:50):
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(43:10):
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(43:30):
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I once joked that I would sell my dog my
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You don't have to do that. You can exchange money instead,
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(43:52):
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(44:13):
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get any more appropriate is if this episode comes out
and Jeff is lost in the desert lap that didn't happen.
I hope so too, But I mean that that would
really round out this episode, don't you think. Yeah? But Jeff,
if you're out there, look for an RV. Ben Sinclair
might be inside. I'll probably give you some weak uh.
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how stuff works dot com.
Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works
dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. You
put the three of us together, and you've got stuff
you should know just in case you ever get lost
(00:22):
in the desert. Is what we're going to give as
our gift to you. Tradition. You know, it's funny as
I was reading a podcast newsletter today, like an industry newsletter,
and I'm gonna buzz market it, alright, uh, and I
mean there's only one now, there's probably more than one.
There's several, are there? I think? So all right, I
should get on there. I've seen at least two. Two
(00:43):
can be several, right, isn't that the Biblical unit? Several
is two? I thought the Biblical unit was a cubit, right.
I'm glad we can laugh at this one. Um. And
it said there was an article specifically about podcast burnout,
and they interviewed someone that was like, you know, she
(01:05):
started podcasting in two thousand seventeen and blah blah blah
and experienced burnout. And I gotta laughed. I was like,
I mean, I get it, like people burn out in
different ways and they may have a it's tougher workload
than us. But I just sort of snickered that after
eleven or click going on, eleven years, very soon ye
have this April, but eleven years, like we we have
(01:27):
moments of not burnout, like we get a little warm
kind this again, but that quickly passes very quickly. You know.
I'm never like I've never burned out. I would say
that where I don't want to do this or anything. No,
I know, I would say there's probably been like literally
five times. I'm sorry to use the word literally, but
(01:49):
I literally mean literally in this sense, yes, because you've
built a statue of paper machee after each time represent
each burnout, right, and they're they're on my desk, you
can count them. Is five. But it comes in like
just digging into a topic at a time when there's
like a bunch of other stuff going on or whatever.
It's just been a really long stretch where maybe we're
(02:11):
recording more than usual, and then when we get in
here to record, it's gone agreed. That's when it doesn't happen.
I don't think I've ever been and let me knock
on wood. I don't think I've ever been in a
recording session with you and been like not wanted to
do it, agreed my friend. And weirdly, I am more
burnt out with movie crush at times like it sounds.
(02:33):
Trust me, I'm not seriously complaining, But ask Emily how
many times I've been like, I gotta watch this movie
tonight notes on because it takes long, and like I
have to pause to take the notes because I don't
want to miss anything. So it takes like three and
a half hours to watch a movie and take notes.
And plus, how I guess you're you're fundamentally not able
to enjoy the movie. It's not like enjoying a movie, right,
(02:55):
you're quite analyzing it a little bit. And it's at night.
I'm kind I guess you're right, kind of, but and
it's at night, so it's like I'm technically not at work,
and sometimes it's just like I don't want to watch whatever.
Yeahint point break? Who's who's his point break? Jordan Morris
of Bubble and Jordan Jesse go, Okay, yeah, point break
(03:16):
is a good one. No, no, no no, it was. It
was really kind of fun watching that. Actually I don't
know why I pulled that one up, okay, because it
was the most recent one I watched. But to take
notes on point break and it can be a little tedious,
right bra. There's that one great part where they do
the midnight surf and Kiano has just learned, you know,
(03:38):
and you just hear this because it's obviously a d
R like recorded afterwards, and you just hear him yell
m E and surfing. Man. It's just such a great line.
Does he say E or the F word? Well, he
says the F word. That would have been better if
you have said maybe on T n T that's how
it said. Oh boy, um, oh there's one. Oh have
(04:00):
you seen that? Sorry, I know we haven't even started yet.
Have you seen that video of Keanue on the New
York I believe subway giving a seat up to a
lady who's standing. No, but he is a legendary good guy, yes,
who's been through some horrible stuff. Yeah. Um, And I
(04:20):
just want to be his friend, Kenna Reeves. If you're listening, friends, okay,
well he's your friend first because you asked, well, we
could share him, okay, all right? Tuesdays and Thursdays that's
fine together. Okay, all right, that's a fair. You can
have him well alternate weekends, okay, because you know Canda
(04:41):
on the weekends. That's that's a party. He think he's
a good guy Monday through Thursday. See how many seats
he gives up on a Saturday. Alright, wait, hold on,
one more thing. Can you imagine Kenna Reeves listening to
this conversation at first, kind of chuckling himself, and it's
getting like weirder and weird. Rights finally pressent stop and
maybe you never listens again. We just blew our chance.
(05:02):
Chuck all right, one more thing and then I swear
I'm done. I meant to tell you that I did
some l A sessions recently for movie Crush and UH
the Great Show High Maintenance on HBO. It's one of
my all time favorites. The dude on there, Ben Sinclair
as the guy, the we delivery guy, UH is just
like one of the main reasons I went there in
(05:23):
person was just so I could meet him. I meet
him and the first thing he said was is, hey, man,
I used to listen to you and Josh when I
UH was a shusher at this lesbian poetry bar, and
I was like what. I was like, first of all,
it's a sushre. He's like, it's a poetry bar, you know.
I said, there and shush people, and he's like, but
he usedill listen. You guys always wonder what you look like?
(05:44):
Did Josh quit smoking? And I was like, why don't
you people ever reach out right, like do you know
what that would admit to me? Which he was just
a susure at the time, so maybe I know, but
now he's made it. Yeah, So anyway, I told him
that you quit smoking, You're doing great. I don't think
he's listening for a bit, but do you think he's
listening now? I don't know if he got back on
the train or not, but if he did, do you
(06:04):
think he's friends with Ken Reeve? Oh? Maybe? But ben
Claire gives up his seat for no person. And if
you if you say, like, maybe you should stand up,
he goes, no, he would give up his seat. Okay, anyway,
let's talk about desert survival. Imagine Chuck ben Sinclair is
(06:24):
making his way through the desert in his car, priests
will say, and he runs out of not just gas
but electricity as well, which he might he has a
big RV. Actually that's worked into the show. Okay, he's
in his RV, so he just straight up runs out
of gas, which probably happens a couple of times a
day in a big old r V, I would imagine. Okay, Um,
(06:47):
Ben's in trouble because Ben was not expecting to have
this extended stop and unexpected stop in the desert, so
he did not bring a few things. Okay, if Ben,
we're paying a little less attention to whether people were
talking you need to be shushed or not, and more
attention to his desert survival. What would he have packed
in that RV, Chuck, Well, Ben Sinclair would have had
(07:10):
probably a pound of weed. Okay, so he's got a
good start there because he could burn that for a
signal fire or for comfort and warmth. Um well, I
mean I wrote this dumb article. This is a great article.
Did you notice my stupid thing I did with the
music titles? Sure, the Oasis thing and all of them
are song titles. All the sidebars are song titles. And
(07:30):
that was back when I was like, oh man, I
am the most clever person alive. So I got the
wonder wall one. Um, rescue me. Okay, I gotta me,
but I was thinking more of the TV show than
the song. There's also so everybody, if you go onto
how Stuff works dot Com right now and look up
how Desert Survival works. Each page, almost every page has
(07:52):
a a a sidebar, and the title of the sidebars
are song titles. Rescue me. After all, you're my wonder wall.
What's what could it be? It's a mirage? What would
it be? It's a mirrage? What is that I'm telling y'all,
let's sabotage? Okay, that's a good one. And then finally
a little shout out to uh Annie food, glorious food. Okay,
(08:14):
so that was that was what used to make me
happy at work. Yeah, I remember those days. Yeah you too.
When you do like a clever photo caption and that
would be that would get you through the week. We
would stand up and like share it over the cubicle wall.
Look at photo caption. Yeah no, it's gonna blow everybody's mind.
All right. So, uh, you're in the desert, you want
(08:35):
to have uh well, let's just let's just talk about
this stuff. Okay. Yeah, what what should be in your
kid water? A mirror? Uh? That's a big one way
to start a fire. Yeah, that's a big one too. Basically,
it's a lighter, food water. If you're gonna cross the desert,
have a lighter, which seems counterintuitive because it's hot in
the desert, but no, trust us. Well you'll see you
want a lighter on you a mirror which you'll see too. Yeah,
(08:59):
that's what we'll do. We'll say what's supposed to be
in the pack and in the r V, and then
we'll go back and we'll Okay, I'm suddenly burned out.
Should we take a break? Yeah? All right, let's take
a break and let's start the podcast in earnest. All right, everybody,
(09:39):
welcome to stuff you should know. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,
there's Cherry over there, and we're talking desert survival. So
let's get to it. And so this is all due
to the fact that we just recorded a very tough episode.
So we're clearly just goofing off now. Um, so we're
talking about deserts, and we did a desert episode yeah,
and a desertification episode two, and I think one on
the dust Bowl. But something that all deserts have in
(10:02):
common is not sand, is not even heat. It's a
lack of water. Technically, Antarctica is the largest desert on
the world in the world, um, and there's lots of water,
but it's all locked up as ice. There's no available
water in exactly the same way as there's basically no
available water in Death Valley in California. UM. Deserts have.
(10:26):
The next thing that they have most frequently in common
is again not sand, but exposed bedrock. All of those
cool formations or whatever that's actually the bottom of the
earth you're seeing exposed. All the soil has been dried
out for so long because basically it's been pants. Um.
We've got some good pants stories by the way, King
(10:47):
soon Yeah. Um, the soil is so dry that it
can't be held in place, so wind is blown it away.
And so what you're seeing is the exposed bedrock. Sand
only makes up something like of the world's death. Yeah.
I mean, you've got pebbles, you have desert soil. Sometimes
that bedrock you were talking about, We're gonna talk about
(11:08):
O a CS. So I think Anarctic is survivor an
Arctic survival or even Arctic survival deserves its own episode
short Day. So we're just gonna be talking about hot
deserts and all of that sand and exposed bedrock and
pebbles bakes in the sun and shoots that heat back
(11:29):
out and it's just super hot. Okay. Yeah, so water
is the biggest obviously the biggest, biggest problem. If you
get trapped in the desert on foot or in a car, uh,
and you think about, like, never go desert hiking. I
don't need to worry about this. But have you ever
been like, oh, I'm gonna take the long route through
from Texas to California because it's more scenic. Uh, And
(11:53):
then your car breaks down and you're in big trouble
if you don't know what you're doing. Um. That happened
to a woman. I can't find her name right now,
but she is a She was a grandmother. I believe
she's seventy two, who was driving in her Prius and
it ran out of gas and electricity on the way
I believe to Phoenix, and Um, she had an unexpected
trip with her dog for nine days and survived amazing. Yeah.
(12:19):
Did she eat her dog? No, Luckily she did not
have to eat her dog. Did she survive on the
saliva of her dog. Yeah, they well they spit in
one another's mouth, so it was kind of but they
did that any it was a wash. So, Uh, dehydration
is obviously the first kind of UM physical symptom you
might experience if you run out of water, uh decreased
(12:41):
frequency of urine. Of course, if your urine is very
smelly or very deep yellow, your mouth is going to
be dry, your you know, as things increase, uh dehydration wise,
you're gonna get sunken eyes, your heartbeats gonna increase. And
if you get to the stage where you literally have
no urine, or if you're vomiting and have diarrhea, then
(13:02):
you're pretty bad shape. Yeah, So vomiting and diarrhea is
like the last thing you want to do while you're dehydrated,
because all it is is just getting rid of any
remaining hydration you have. It's not good. That's that's a
bad reaction to dehydration. Um. And we'll talk about heat
casualty coming up, but UM kind of psyched about that bit.
(13:23):
Oh yeah. But when we talk about water and rationing water,
there's an old saying ration sweat not water, meaning UM,
don't like drink all your water at once, but rahtion
you're sweat like they say not to you know, if
you are lost like this, like don't go hiking to
find civilization during the peak of day. You want to
(13:45):
ration how much output, how much you're sweating. Um, But
you you do have to take in that water. Yeah,
So when you're in the desert, you you recommend or
I should say the experts recommend because it's obviously very
well research starticle um that that somebody drink a gallon
of water a day. Well, I mean that's what they say.
(14:07):
If you've got like a you know, unlimited amounts of
water a gallon a day, you need a rashtion it
somewhat if you have very limited water obviously, But what
you don't want to do, which happens a lot of times,
is to be found dead with water in your canteen. Yeah,
which is it's haunting sure and um And like you said,
I mean you want to you want to rashtion your sweat,
(14:29):
not your water, but you do kind of want to
rash in your water, like you know, I don't want
to be a little water piggy right out of the gate.
But you also you recommend um via the experts that
you that you don't just wait until you're thirsty, because
you'll only get about two thirds of the amount of
water you actually need just by going by thirst. You
(14:50):
want to actually stop and like drink more water than
you think you need. Yeah, and if you're hiking around again,
we we talked about morning and evenings or the best
time to go look for how um, if you see
a trail, go down that trail because you have a
better chance of finding someone there. Um. Follow the birds.
Birds generally and animals go towards water. Yeah, Apparently if
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they're circling in the morning or the evening, they're probably
circling around water. Try and get some groundwater going. But
very wisely you point out through the experts that if
there's like a little, you know, small mountain in between
you and those birds, in a longer way around the
mountain that's flat, take the longer way that's flat, because
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even though you might cut off a couple of hours
between you and the birds, you're gonna really exert yourself
going up that mountain, Whereas instead you want to you
want to take the longer but slower, less exerting path
to get to that water where the birds are circling
for sure. If you're with someone, um, don't talk. I mean,
(15:56):
you know, you can talk some, but don't just chat
about your day. Try to conserve your words, Try and
breathe through your nose. What do you think about grace jump?
If you happen to see any wet sand or standing
water anywhere, then you're in luck because you can dig
down in there and you will probably find more water
(16:16):
under you know this groundwater underneath it, which is that's
a benaans. If you find like a groundwater in the desert,
you're probably gonna be okay. Yeah. If you don't find
any water and you run out of water, you're probably
not going to be okay. No, you also want to fire,
which you said isn't very intuitive, but uh, if you've
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ever spending time in the desert, the temperature swings are huge.
You can get cold in the desert at night, and
then fire allows you to purify water. There's that whole
safety feeling. It keeps mountain lions away, right. Sure. I
would guess just about any critters don't go near fire
because they associated with wildfires in the desert. Brush fires
(17:02):
rescue signal. You can you can do that, I'll trick.
I think we even did a show on smoke signals
early on. No, I don't think so. No, No, And
I've wanted to keep forgetting to write. Are you sure.
I'm pretty sure it was like an early, early early
to go listen to it because I wanted to do that.
It's probably not very good. Um, but your whole point
of all this is to find people and to get rescued. Yeah,
(17:23):
you make a great point about that. Yeah, Like, like
the point of being lost in the desert is to
make yourself visible. Yeah. The point of not being lost
rather or being lost in finding rescue the key to
being found. How about that? Right? So, if you are
in a car, if your car is not working anymore,
it's out of gas or whatever, flat dire um, blow
(17:44):
it up. Basically, stick a hanky in the gas tank
and just blow it up. So you want to stick
the hanky in the gas tank. You want to fashion
a bow and arrow, light the arrow, stand back and
shoot the cars gas tank. That's what you want to know.
You want to open your hood entire rag to it
or a bandanna around your antenna or something anything like
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a typical sign of distress. Um, if anything to make
it like something's up here. Sure. Yeah, like even if
the hood is fine, like you raise a hood as
an indicator. Yeah, like if there's no engine trouble, right,
you can still raise the hood. It's all right. Nobody's
gonna like arrest you when they rescue you. Uh, if
you can spell out UM S O S or something
(18:28):
like that with help clothing or help on the ground,
for if a helicopter or plane is nearby. Yeah, that's that.
That woman in Arizona was rescued by writing help. I
think that's actually how they found her. She wrote help
and sticks. Oh really yep. Nice. Her dog told her
to do it. That stuff works. Uh, if you are
in your car, you've got a leg up because you
(18:51):
have your rear view mirror or your side view mirror.
That just just go ahead and break that thing off
and use it. Yeah. I think he said in the
first few minutes that we're trying to forget about now
that you want to have a mirror in your survival
pack no matter where wherever you're going hiking. Yeah, but
a lot of people don't have survival packs in their car,
(19:12):
like most people. I think, I mean, I don't know,
I think about it. I've got like jumper cables and
some rain cks. Does that count? You know? After that
last stupid Atlanta I storm a few years ago that
stranded people snow apocalypse. Yeah, I um, I think I
had something in my car after that, but I have
(19:32):
a different car now. It wasn't much, but it was
like some water and a blanket and some like granola bars.
I need to like stock up minded Emily's car with
that stuff. Yeah, for sure, you never know. I think
they just remember when we had some tornadoes in Atlanta
a few years ago. You and I were like, we
really need like a crank radio and like all this stuff.
We started together, and you're like, oh, I wonder what's
on TV? Before your note? You're watching the Japanese game shows.
(19:57):
He'd forgotten like eight hours go by. But a signal
mirror is important, you know, you just uh flash that thing.
It says here too. I was about to make fun
of it, but I realized I wrote it. But practice
on a nearby rock a good advice, you know. I mean,
you don't want your first attempt at signaling somebody with
a mirror to be while you're trying to signal somebody
(20:17):
in a passing aircraft. Probably so. And I mean like,
if there's no cloud cover, you can get somebody at
like thirty feet if you do it right. So heck, yeah,
practice on a rock. What else are you gonna do
while you're sitting around in the shade. Nothing? Yeah, there
might be a Delta pilot up there. That's like, oh god,
what is that? That's so annoying. You should have a
whistle in your survival kit so you can blow it
(20:39):
if you see someone from far away and um, they
recommend that if you honk your horn for help, to
be like hunk unk honk, and then wait and honk
honk honk, because if you just lay on it like
you're if you're in traffic, someone might hear that and
just think this car has this horn stuck. Yeah, those
be like that's so annoying. I'm gonna continue on past
(21:01):
this weird um path and death valley that no one
should be down. So let's say horn is stuff. Let's
say you are in your car, your car is is
jacked up, um, and you're like, all right, I've exhausted
my resources here, screw this, i gotta go take a hike,
leave a note on your car and say like, hey,
(21:22):
I'm broken down and I've gone northwest on at two
a pm on Tuesday. Also, I'm Chuck Bryant, who hopefully
you're looking for. You found him. Check out my podcast
Stuff you Should Know and movie Crush. Yeah, never miss
an advertising opportunity. But if you do stay with your car, Yeah,
it's like, just don't sit around in your car, like
(21:42):
sit in the shade. And they even say to sit
on a blanket. Yeah. The reason being is because there
can be something like a thirty degree height temperature difference
between the ground and the air above the ground. Nuts.
That's that's how barren and hot the ground gets. And
it's it's not like the air above the ground is cool.
It's still hot because the ground is heating it. But
(22:03):
the ground itself is taking in all of that unbroken,
unfiltered sunlight directly into it, holding as much as it can,
and then shooting it back out. Is basically infrared heat
um back into space through you. And if your butt
is touching the ground through conduction, it's going to transfer
directly to you or as through the air, be going
(22:23):
through convection from the air to your butt, which is
not nearly as efficient as conduction, So don't sit directly
on the ground. Even sitting on a rock is better
than sitting on the ground. But ideally you want to
find the shade that your car is producing, whether it's
the hood that's up or or just the car itself
or whatever, and sit in that shade as best you can.
(22:46):
Get your feet off the ground, like you said, I
think too. Yeah, and take off your shoes and socks,
especially if you're hiking around um during your breaks. Uh.
They also say to not take off your clothes. Your
instinct might be to take your clothes off, but um,
those clothes you want them soaking up sweat because that'll
cool you downright. Um. And also you know you don't
(23:09):
want to be you don't want to take your shirt
off and also have like a third degree sunburn after
day either. I thought about that too. It's like that's
I mean that that clothes that situation worse. Right, it's
doing something to protect you from the UV. You know.
I think it teaches the average T shirt as like
a SPF of four or something like that. That's better
than nothing. Um. Also, chuck if you are right, and
(23:33):
I guess if like you're actually using this information we're
giving you right now. First of all, good luck we're
pulling for you. Secondly, um, if you are going to
take off your shoes, don't do it in the sun
because just that exposure of your bare feet to the
sunlight for that short of a time can make your
feet swell and you might not be able to get
your shoes back on, which if you do end up
(23:53):
having to hoof it out of there, you want your shoes.
You don't want your feet all swoll up. No, so
take take your shoes off and let your dogs air
out in the shade. Only make a little hat if
you don't have one out of whatever, You've got something
in your car or something whatever. Like, If you have
a piece of cardboard, put it on your head. This
is the greatest sentence. God, I know I loved it.
(24:17):
Are you really you didn't like this this article? Huh?
I don't know. It's just sort of a reminder of
darker days at this job. So may I read this? Sure,
if you don't have a hat to wear, fashion a
head covering with what you have on hand. You may
look silly wearing a cardboard hat, but your goal is
to survive, not win a beauty contest, and Lord drink
(24:38):
a leader of water per hour to stay properly. We
cut out that part earlier because it didn't sound right.
I mean, maybe that's if you have all the water
in the world, but that just sounds like that's a
lot of water. How you burn through your water? Uh,
if your car is stuck And this actually happened to
me once. I got a car stuck in the desert
one time in the middle of the night with my
(24:59):
friend when I yeah, I got it out without deflating
my tires. But they say if you're stuck in the sand,
to deflate your tires just a little bit. Um, don't
like start goosing it because you're gonna dig yourself in more.
Just apply like steady accelerator pressure and turn your wheels
kind of back and forth a little bit. Let a
little bit of air and you might be able to
(25:20):
get out of there. Yeah, again, don't let a lot
of air out because if you do get out, you
still need to drive back home, and you don't want
to do that on overly deflated tires. Okay, Um, So
if you're going to should we should we take a break?
Now you think oh why not. Okay, we're gonna take
a break, everybody. There's there's a lot more to come.
(25:41):
You're not toast yet because we have more stuff to
tell you how to survive in the desert right after this.
(26:11):
I really do love that sentence. That was a great sentence.
There's one more in here. I can't wait to call out.
So I'm sure I know what it is. Uh, should
we talk about oaces? Sure? I mean it depends on
where you are. But you know, the an oasis is
just when wind has blown away enough sand that you
(26:31):
get down to that groundwater. It's all an oasis is. Yeah,
you know, like an aquifer. Yeah, imagine if there's nothing
above the aquifer, now you've got a lake boom, that's
an oasis. Yeah. But they can they can be big
enough and exposed enough that you can have this like
lush oasis in the middle of the desert. There's really
no better word for it. Yeah. And then you know, um,
(26:54):
if you're in the Sahara Desert, like the communities form
around these oaces, there's one very large one called the
Cargo Oasis that is a hundred miles long and depending
on where you are, twelve to fifty miles wide. Yeah,
there's plenty big to hold small towns. Plenty big. It is,
(27:18):
it is. I'm just laughing at this article. I can't
believe I wrote this thing. I I really value this article.
This is its great, well written, well researched. This is
when I was assigned, you know, your survival guy and
I wrote a lot of these. You know, we've covered
a few of them on the show, but plenty left.
I thought these days were over. Uh. If you are hiking,
(27:39):
the first thing they say is to walk slowly. You
may you're instinct maybe to get out of there fast
and find help fast. Very good advice, but that's no
good no. Not only do you want to remind yourself
to slow down, because that's what it takes. You're not
gonna just walk slowly automatically. You're gonna be freaked out.
So you have to stay calm and say I've got
(28:01):
to walk slow and just take breaks every about ten
minutes out of every hour. I think. Um, but if
you're with a group, you want to walk, Um, you
want to set your pace by the slowest and least
fit person in the group. Just everybody walk that slow.
That person will help pace everybody else um, and it
will keep that person from just dying trying to keep up,
(28:24):
like literally dying trying to keep up. I mean everyone
else has to be like, geez, big Larry in the
back is really holding us back. But big Larry is
probably walking at the right speed, which is slow. Yeah,
at least for you, he's walking slow enough for you
to slow you down. That's right. That's not a T shirt,
but it's still true. Should we get to your favorite
(28:44):
part of this, which is heat casualty. Yes, I know
you've got some science on this, right, yes, Well, the
three major categories are heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and then
heat stroke in that order. Yeah, and heat cramps or
you know you can get those on a hot afternoon
if you're out playing frisbee, you can. And all of
it comes down to it's just basically an escalating um
(29:08):
imbalance between water and the salt loss. So so like
the electrical conduction in your muscles and all that from
your heart to your legs is out of whack because
you have lost a lot of water and you still
have a higher salt concentration. Or else you've lost a
lot of salt and there's still enough water that you're
you're just not your muscles aren't aren't working quite right,
(29:30):
so they can cramp. Right if that happens, you say,
drink like a power aid. If you got it, what
are you sitting there holding onto it for in the
first place. For if you're lost in the desert with
a power aid, I mean fire it down. It's like
I don't like blue purple um. So that's step one.
If you have a power aid. If not, if you
(29:51):
have some water, drink the water. The cramps are gonna
go away. You can overcome um he cramps pretty easily,
it sounds like, but you want to stop, rest, get
in some shade, stop moving, and attend to the heat
cramps for sure. Yeah, that may lead to heat exhaustion
if you don't have water and this, like you said,
it's just an escalation of that imbalance. Um. You may
(30:12):
be irritable or feel weak, or have a headache, or
if you're vomiting and have nausea or clammy skin, then
that's like heat exhaustion is seriously setting in. It is
um and so again, like salt and electrolytes are really
important to the electrical conduction in your body and your
body moves through electrical conduction. It's a big, big component.
(30:34):
So if that's off, your body's off. But then if
you're really in trouble, you're you enter into heat stroke.
And this is the point where your body's system at
getting rid of heat has been overwhelmed by the heat
it's taking on and you're in big trouble. When that happens, Basically,
on a cellular level, your body is failing systemically because
(30:58):
proteins aren't folding. Actually, in proteins do just about everything
there is to do in a cell. They're starting to
clump up and get weird. Then cells are suddenly dying. Um.
One of your body's main tricks at getting rid of
heat is through convection, sending your hot blood to the
surface of your skin, which is why if you go
into a sauna, your your skin gets flushed. But also
(31:21):
if you'll notice your heart is pumping, is beating really hard,
even though you're just sitting there. You're in the heat.
And the reason why is your heart is working overtime
shooting blood out to your skin to get rid of
heat so that your body can cool down. It's using
your blood as a heat transfer mechanism and your heart
actually speeds up. You're actually pumping out up to eight
(31:43):
liters a minute of blood, more than your heart usually
pumps out when you're starting to enter heat strokes. So
it's a big deal. Yeah, I would imagine that would
put you in danger of cardiac arrest. Yes, I think
that's one of the results of that whole thing of
severe heat stroke. So bad headaches, very dizzy, nausea, vomiting,
(32:04):
your muscles might be spasm ing. That heart rate like
you were talking about, is way high and you may
be full on hallucinating at this point, or you may
fall unconscious. Like heat stroke is no joke. Um, So
you gotta find shade fast, which is I mean, that's
the biggest part of our biggest challenge in desert survival
is finding shade. You know, there's just nowhere yeh, but
(32:25):
the big rock can be your shade exactly, like whatever,
it doesn't matter, just fine shade because the difference between
shade and sunlight in the desert is substantial. Yeah, And
they like if you have any water, like now is
the time. This is when you're found dead with your
canteen full of have full of water because you're like, no, like,
I still I'm a day away from finding help, right,
(32:46):
you have no idea how far you're Yeah, like, this
is go time to save your life. Plus, also, if
you have any cool compresses, put them in your armpits,
put them in your groin. Yeah, um, do whatever you
can do cool, cool yourself down. Uh I do you
have any cold compresses left over from the party around
the campfire the night before? Apparently? Yeah, you're like, if
I can only called down, Oh wait a minute, I
(33:08):
have a frozen compress I can put in my crotch. Um.
They are all kinds of animals in the desert that
can be dangerous. Um, whether it's spiders, um. Tran Chillas
are scary looking, but they're probably not gonna kill you. Yeah.
They don't really care about you. They don't want to
bite you and knew what they do bite you. It's like, ah,
stupid tranchila. Yeah, I mean, none of these things wanna
(33:31):
find you, like you will find these brown reclusives and
black widows under rocks or under brush or something like that.
So don't go reaching in there. Don't go reaching in
some hole like Timothy Dalton and Flash Gordon. You know,
what hole did he reach into? You saw Flash Gordon, right, No,
the old one. You should probably enjoy that. I didn't
(33:52):
realize that was Timothy Dalton in there. I thought it
was a blonde guy. Well he played U Flash Gordon,
but Timothy Dalton played the bad guy, one of the
bad guys. But there was a challenge where they had
to stick their hand in this big hole and there
was a stinging creature inside this blob. It sounds like
that Joe Rogan show. What was they called? You mean
(34:12):
the Joe Rogan podcast? No, no fear Factor. Remember Fear Factor.
I used to like that show. That was a good show.
I could never have done that show though, because of
the stuff you eat. Yeah, there was some gross stuff.
That's where I just I was like, I can do
all that stuff, but I can't eat that. I can't
eat gross things. You could have done everything else though, well,
I mean to a certain degree, but um, yeah, there's
(34:34):
no way I could eat eat those nasty things. Yeah,
you'd probably have an easier time with that than me. Um.
I don't know, man, I think that would be pretty disgusting.
On top of that, though, like doing things like sticking
my hand in something or having like a box full
of like spiders put over my head or scorpions or
whatever I could do that I would not. I mean,
(34:54):
like for what to be on TV. Well, exactly, all right,
be TV is so great, everybody, it's not. It's cracked
up to be certainly not where the box of scorpions
on your head? Speaking of scorpions, there are thirty different types,
more than thirty different types of scorpions and just Arizona,
so uh. And they're all over the place, you know,
(35:15):
They're in Georgia and in the mountains, in the woods
of Georgia. Very few of them are poisonous, Nah, not
very many at all. I think a couple of them
can actually kill a person with their venom um by
stinging you with that tail. They'll still hurt you though,
Just don't go near the scorpions. Yeah, I mean, you
can get sick from any of these things. Like a
black widow is probably not gonna kill you either. No,
(35:36):
but if you're already like in danger of something like
he stroke exactly, a black widow bite is not going
to help, and it's going to be exacerbated tremendously. No,
But if you do get stung or bitten by something
like that. And if you don't have that cool compress
and your crutch, use that cool compress around the biters sting,
(35:58):
don't elevate it. Yeah, that's a big one. Sure. You
also want to put it kind of a loose turning
kid around it. You want to be able to fit
one finger in the tourniquet so tight ish, I guess
there's a way to put it. Yeah, And again get
in the shade, wash it off with some soap and
water if you have it, and then just dump that
water all over the ground. This is used up. Uh.
(36:20):
And then we have snakes, rattle snakes, and coral snakes
are gonna be your biggest danger. And remember coral snakes
are red, yellow, and black. And there's a very helpful
saying red touches yellow. It can harm a fellow. Red
touches black. Make it a snack. No, red touches black.
(36:43):
It's okay for jack. And this raises my second favorite sentence. No,
just remember you're Jack in this scenario. It's okay for Jack. Now, finally,
I think we sound drunk. We're not um. There are
(37:09):
lizards um specifically, the do you say HeLa monster or
Gila monster. I think it's HeLa. I think it is.
The British say gila and the wrong right they say aluminium. Um.
So the Gila monster and the Mexican beaded lizard um
the beat. It is only in Mexico and Guatemala, but
(37:29):
you can find those gilas in the in the US
of A. Those are big daddies, though they get up
like two ft I think, and this is actually my
favorite sentence. So I'm talking here about the Mexican beaded
white to yellow spots and stripes on their rays scales.
It's about a foot long. I described the Gila monster.
And they say, however, if you see a two foot
(37:50):
long lizard coming in your direction, maybe you should just
walk the other way. It's sound advice. I thought you
were joking when you picked this article. No, I think
gets a good article. I don't understand why you're being
so hard on yourself. All right, this last part is
legitimately interesting. I think the fact of the podcast is
contained in here, like the uncontented fact. Go ahead, No, no,
(38:15):
it's your fact, that's not my fact. Alright. Two big
other dangers to other big dangers or sandstorms and flash floods.
Sandstorms can be very fast or they can last for
a long time. They can last weeks in the Middle East.
But if you're driving, you don't want to drive through
a standstorms to pull over and like put on your hazards,
(38:35):
roll up your windows. Yeah, why did you say turn
off your headlights? Do you remember that? I get why
you put on your hazards, But why turn off your headlights?
Is it because you don't want to wear your battery out? Maybe?
I think so? Okay, Yeah, that would be my guess,
because I didn't know if maybe that created electrical conductivity
or something and lead to lightning. Maybe. I And if
you're hiking around and there's a sandstorm, then try and
(38:57):
tie something or pull your shirt up over your face.
But those sunnies, um, they say, if you have spare water,
wet the cloth before you put it over your face,
and then I'm granting you the fact of the pie.
Let's talk about flash flooding. Flash floods because the desert
does not absorb water very easily. Um, because it's basically bedrock,
(39:18):
and water doesn't go into bedrock easy. Um. Like if
it rains, it rains hard, and it rains fast. And
a substantial amount comes down and it collects very quickly
because it has nowhere to go and can create what
are known as flash floods. Because of this, more people
drown in the desert than die of thirst. That's what
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they say. That is an amazing fact. That's one of
the most amazing facts I've ever heard in my life.
It really is. Um. And then what was the James
Franco movie The True Story where seven hours? Yeah, like
there was a flash flood in that, right, I don't,
I think so. I feel like he was it rained
and he was like, oh, thank god, it's raining, and
then the water to start a rising really fast around
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because he was in a gully. But if you like,
don't camp out overnight in a dry creek bed, because
it is no joke. It can It can happen really fast.
And I was driving through New Mexico once on my
big out west trip post college, and my friend and
I drove through the most hellacious storm I've ever seen
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in my life. Um, and we literally saw water running
flowing uphill and I was like, am I seeing things?
And he's like, no, dude, He's like, that is definitely
uphill And water was flowing up hill some how, I
guess it was just so much of it. But we
drove through it until we saw um in front of us, Uh,
(40:43):
telephone poles like down in the on the highway, like
all in front of us. Were like, I think we
should probably pull over at this point, and we waited out.
But they're usually pretty quick. It's not like it does
this for like days like it does in Atlanta. It
was like like thirty minutes of rain, but it can
be inches and inches of water and again like six
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inches can pick up a car and carry it away.
It can certainly pick you up off of your feet.
And there's plenty of stories about people being drowned in
canyons and Petra Jordan's the very famous archaeological site. People
like every ten twelve years, like a couple of dozen
people will suddenly drown in a flash flood because they
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were totally unprepared and in the wrong place when it
just the sky just opened up on them. So it
definitely does happen, for sure. Yeah, the good the pluss
thing about the desert with understorms is, uh, you see
it coming from a long way away, like it's they
happen fast, but it's just so wide open out there.
Like we remember driving for like an hour and a
half towards this storm. I was like, man, that looks
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pretty bad up there. And the closer we got and
then it was just like, you know, hell had been
unleashed on us, right, So what you did, you like
drive to higher ground or now we we just kind
of just pulled off to the side of the road
and waited like half an hour and then it lightened up.
But it was crazy. Yeah, it was pretty scary. I
mean not being in a car, but just seeing how,
like the debt, it went from sand to feeling like
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we were in a river in like twenty minutes. That's crazy.
Glad you made it, Chuck, you survived to write this article,
which was a good article. Um, if you want to
see this article yourself in person, go to house stuff
works dot com and type in Desert Survival by one
Chuck Bryant and you will agree with me. It's a
good article. And since I said that it's time for
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listener mail, hey guys, listen to Central Park episode and
really enjoyed it. The content was spot on as always,
but Josh made a comment about the podcast being too conversational.
I think this is a really appropriate listener mail. Funny
is that, um, I think the conversational aspect is one
of the most special things about it. Guys, the banter
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between you two makes me pause for thought and oftentimes laugh.
As an educational podcast, I think having dialogue and debate
about these subjects is important in my own household. Stuff
you should Know is very boored. It part of our lives. UM.
I introduced it to my boyfriend almost three years ago
and it has taken a special place in our relationship.
For two years we were long distance, myself in Canada
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and him in Sweden. UH, and we would download episodes
when traveling. It always gives us something to talk about
and keep the conversation going, makes us laugh together, and
we even sing the jingles. Uh. My favorite is the
opera version, much to his dismay. UH. My favorite episode
is the Golden Age of Gray rob Grave Robbing, which
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makes me laugh so much that I had to put
it on that I still like to put it on
when I'm having a bad day. That was great love
hearing that was the live one right from London. That's right.
I once joked that I would sell my dog my
first dog for a ticket to one of your live shows.
You don't have to do that. You can exchange money instead,
that's right. Or Stacy, if we're coming to a town
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on the old list. Just threatened to sell your dog
and we'll get you in for free. That's all it takes. Guys,
thanks so much for giving us a jumping off point
for more conversation and debate. Please give a shout out
to my boyfriend Jeff. Wow. Um, sorry Jeff that I
got on listener mail before you. Yeah, take that, Jeff. Yeah,
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that is Stacy Coombs. The only way that that could
get any more appropriate is if this episode comes out
and Jeff is lost in the desert lap that didn't happen.
I hope so too, But I mean that that would
really round out this episode, don't you think. Yeah? But Jeff,
if you're out there, look for an RV. Ben Sinclair
might be inside. I'll probably give you some weak uh.
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