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August 18, 2020 52 min
There’s a movement afoot that says we should all stop thinking about our weight and just enjoy food. No, it doesn’t help you lose weight…No, it’s not a diet…No, - just listen to the episode, okay? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
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Welcome to Stuff You Should Know a production of FI, hart radios, How Stuff Works, hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, there's Charles cchichizzy Chuck Right, and this is Tufoshoo yeah. That's all I got to say.

I think this is super interesting. This antidiet movement episode.

I do too I'd heard a little bit about it every once in a while, we'll say something and one of our listeners will rite in and be like. Hey, you guys shouldn't be saying that or you guys shouldn't be talking about. You know, trying to lose weight or something because it shames other people anddirectly and, like you, should check out the antidieting movement. So all of you, people who've ever written in with the suggestion for that this one's for you, because I believe all of you are the ones who brought that to my awareness yeah. So the antidiet movement is a response to there's a lot of pieces to it and we're going to we're going to go over all of them. But it's a response to diet culture in the world, especially in the United States, and a response that basically says we don't think diet. Culture is healthy, literally healthy for your physical health and also not healthy for your mental health and for the well being of an individual.

We don't think diets work.

We think we have proof and studies that show diets don't work, and then we think that there's a better way, which is to accept food as something that is to be enjoyed and accept your body and there's a lot more to it than that, but that's sort of the broadest stroke and society goes.

What I tell you man, it's when you look at how we are you know I don't want to.

Maybe brainwashed is too strong of a word, but how humans and Americans are brainwashed into thinking. There is only one way right to live, and only one way to live that way. Right. It's pretty interesting and hard to undo and there's and were all of us every single one of us in America, and I would guess in most of the West as well.

Our subject is kind of this, too pronged attack about weight.

One is the idea that you just don't look as good when you're overweight and then too the idea that you're not as healthy when you're overweight and this antidieting movement rejects both of those yeah they.

So their whole thing is - and it's really it's worth kind of restating here, because it's tough to wrap your head around because of the way that we've all been brought up for so long that the antidiating movement isn't like no N. No, all you have to do is cut meat out and you're fine. You can do everything else, there's nothing like that. It's not only not only don't diit it's throw away your dieting books stop following dieting blogs, reject the the standard of beauty at like the the small kind of vaguely underweight standard that we have in the West and stop listening to people, including your own, inner voice that that that makes you feel ashamed when you crave or eat certain foods that all foods are on the table, there's no such thing as bad foods, and you can just stop thinking about weight and food.

Those two things can be decoupled for the rest of your life. You're free, basically ease with her sake. You're free go, fly, Little Bird, go, live your life, stop thinking about being overweight, yeah and it all comes down, and this mights just some people may just think this is the craziest thing they've ever heard in their life right.

But what they're saying is is something called that you should embrace something called intuitive eating, and this came around and sometime in the s there was a book written by Evelyn Tree Bowl and elise. Resh called intuitive eating Colon, a revolutionary program that works, and this is one thosand, nine hundred and ninety eight - and this was basically the idea that we've been looking at this cycle happen for years of restricting your food getting on a diet losing weight gaining it back, sometimes gaining back even more weight doing this over and over and over.

It's not working. It's not good for people, it's not effective.

It doesn't make you healthier to go through this weight, loss and weight game cycle, and you need to stop listening to these external controls, whether it's the media or your parents, or your spouse, or partner or yourself, and you need to start listening to your body and eating what your body says to eat and here's the important part stop eating when your body says it's full right, and so they kind of put all these things. So intutive eating is kind of the central focus of antidieting, but it's not one in the same antidieting is a larger umbrella. Movement is the best word for it that includes anti or intuitive eating, but it also includes a kind of a militant opposition to fat. Shaming of any sort of any kind and also kind of believes, even kind of overtly believes that any weight loss goal is negative, that it's, it comes. A hundred percent from that being brainwash culturally. So we'll talk more about that antidieting movement in general, but like we should really explain the intent principles of intuitive eating that that trible and rush put together, and we should say it one other thing too.

This is not a diet.

So so, when you're hearing these things, don't think and then you do this and you lose weight. No, that's out the window. That has nothing to do with this.

This is about your relationship to food and then number two. These people are no slouches trible and rush ar both registered Dietitians, which are certified regulated professionals who know what they're talking about with with nutrition and intutive eating is widely almost universally embraced by Dietitians and nutritionists as well. So just kind of keep that mind Tet when you're hearing these ten principles of intuitive eating yeah and before we actually liste the tend it's worth pointing out that part of intuitive eating is part of the foundation is the fact that they say: Hey, listen, look at your kids when you're born and your little baby - and you don't know anything you're, just a dumb baby and you grow up to be a dumb little toddler.

Your body tells you when you're hungry and you eat, and your body tells you when you're full and you stop eating, and I see that with my five year old, I'm not hungry anymore. ALL RIGHT STOP EATING!

It's that easy and the argument for intuitive eating. Is that, and you know, partally the antidiet movement is somewhere along the way we lose that as adults or, as you know, teenagers, even because of this onslaught from the media and from everybody talking about your weight, your weight, your weight and your health, and you got to be skinny and we lose these. We literally lose these biological triggers that say t when you're hungry stop when you're full.

Those just go away and the idea is to kind of retrain your mind and body to get back to that state.

You were when you were a dumb baby right yeah, because I don't even know if it goes away, we're just trained by Diet Cultured to ignore them.

Oh they say it goes away. Yeah now I know I don't know if I agree with that one, but I but the th, but the key is: is that that it's being one way or another? We don't have that intuitively anymore, because diet cultures come in and replace that with no pay attention to the calories or ignore the fact that you're hungry, because your limiting portion, size, they're, saying ignore that that advice right so here the principles, the ten principles, the first one is we already kind of covered it to reject the Diet. Mentality, basically, is just saying you know these. These diets don't deliver lasting results, and you got to remind yourself of that right.

There's also the next one is honor. Your hunger is so sweet. They have honor in here a couple of times, but they're, basically saying that when you are hungry, you should eat and you should pay attention to not only what your bodies like the fact that your body's telling you're hungry so so go ahead and eat.

But what your body's asking for to now, your body, it's important to say, is what they're saying to honor, not you're sad, so go eat the ice cream right, which comes later waiting that comes later yeah.

What else check there's make peace with food yeah? That is a a basically unconditional permission to eat.

You know were tempted by the twinkies and the ice cream and stuff, like that and they're saying give yourself that permission, because that's sort of one of the keys is once you rewire your brain you're not going to want the twinky for lunch because it doesn't have that a lure, and it's probably not going to make you feel great physically.

And maybe you need to do that a couple of times to realize oboy. I don't feel so hot after eating ice cream for lunch and only ice cream for lunch exactly yeah.

So so, there's they're saying just like there's there's, if you, if you are on the couch and you' like this Oro, sound good, should I should notther saying get a rid of this?

Should I shouldn't I?

If your feel hungry and those Orio sound good, you just get up and you eat the Orios without a second thought. That's the point of making peace with food, giving yourself permission to live like that.

That's right! The next one number four is challenge the food police, which can be everything from your friends and family or partners to your own, and I think many times your own innervoice, probably more than any anything that innervoice and one of the things with the food police too is they can come about in ways that are much less direct than than calling them the food police sounds like food police sounds like somebody who's going to tell you to put down that Twinki, because you, you know a moment on the lips o lifetime on the hips people who say stuff like that to other people. That's definitely food police kind of stuff, but that same kind of guilt or shame or reinforcement of feeling guilty or ashamed about food can come from people who are talking about their own dislike for their body right or their weight, because it makes you kind of sympathetically trigger in examine your own, especially if that person is maybe ha ways less than you do, because if they're worried about their weight well Jeez, that means you should really be worried about your weight or they're worried about eating that the grilled chicken on their Caesar, Salad and you're tucking into a Chili dog. Should you really be eating this, so the food police in this sense can kind of come from a number of different directions: defunds, the food police yeah, the next one is respect your fullness, and this is a big part of it, because they're saying eat when you're hungry, but they're not saying eat till you feel sick right. They're saying you need to listen to your body at all times when it's hungry feed it and then maybe eat a little slower. Maybe pause during that snackor during that meal and say all right: Boddy am I hungry now or a I boared or stressed out, and is that why I'm continuing to eat like check in with yourself in the middle of the meal yeah to see body? Do you need fuel right now or you know it's something going on at work, and this twinkie makes it a whole lot better, and so that kind of reveals like one of the big principles of intuitive eating, which is mindfulness sure like you're not supposed to just kind of zone out and watch, you know TV while you're eating ice cream, because then you look down you've eaen way more ice cream than you've even realized, which means that you didn't even enjoy that ice cream. You want to be more mindful when you're eating in part not just to monitor how much you're eating but to enjoy it more. That's part of the whole thing as well, and then fthe next. One on the list, in fact, is satisfaction. Hold okay hold on IV got one more thing about respecting your fullness. So there's this confusion, teaching that the Japanese call Harahachiboo, which means bellyes eighty percent full and that the kind of rule of thumb among Japanese people is that you eat until you feel about eighty percent full, because then your food kind of expands, your stomach and by the time youre done eating eventually becomes a hundred percent full. So you don't you don't overeat until you feel sick and it's actually extremely satisfying. It just takes again that level of mindfulness that's right and that number six was satisfaction which is, you know, enjoy your food, assess that taste in the texture and how does that feel in your stomach?

Is it a gut bomb or does it feel good right, and I think also check if you, if you stop and think about a lot of the ultraprocess foods that people have in America, you will find it doesn't make you feel very good.

So I think the authors are aware that part of that mindfulness is going to lead you to a different, some different kinds of foods than the ones that that people traditionally think of that they're just going to eat when food. When they don't feel guilty about eating food, you know right like they sit back and they're like no, no, no go ahead and yeah chow down on thet ice cream, and then they sait back and go watch this right.

I don't know bout, be happy for a few minutes and then they're going to be like. Oh, I got a stomach ake. I think ice cream is exempted from that.

I now keep talking about ice cream ice creams find this thing in the world. Hat's Al leave ice creaming alone, but I think you know th, there's been plenty of stuff that I've eaten, where I realized later that it's not actually good, it doesn't actually taste good, it's not actually satisfying. It actually makes me feel kind of bad and then the the icing on the cake of Yo. I love icing on cake. disappoiyment yeah ising an ice cream ar exempted, but the icing on this cake of just feeling kind of duped is that I probably saw an ad for that food within the last couple days and hi ad worked its Mojo on my head and that's why I ate it not because I like it, but because the ad got me and then the food itself is designed to hijack your Olympic system, so I ate more and more and more, but when I stopped and really thought about how it made me feel it didn't feel good about it and didn't like that food and I've actually given up pop eye's chicken as a result, very good, yeah honoring, your feelings is the next one without food you know check in with yourself. Emotionally. How are you are you anxious you lonely? Are you stressed out you mad like what are your food triggers and why are they there and try and resolve some of the those issues without using the food? That's a big big part of it.

I think that is the part of it dude.

I think most people who are overweight are overweight because they eat emotionally.

Maybe I'm maybe it's over confirmation by some huge stress, eater huge, and I guess it's possible. I could just be presuming most people are like that, but I suspect that that is the key to all of it is if you can figure out that food is in addiction to you and that you're using it as an emotional crutch that that will make you identify what you're actually trying to deal with or cover up or run from or make your Ma make yourself feel better against using food, and that is the key to decoupling it and when you can do that, you can do all this other stuff, I would guess, is just kind of like a cascade of easiness. From that point on, I think that's probably the hardest part number eight is respecting your body, and this is the idea that you know you want to love your body and accept your body and feel good about what what they call your genetic blue print and the body that you have, and maybe you were meant to have and having a realistic expectation about what you can and should look like.

That's a big big part of it.

The nith one really kind of stands out to me to chuck. Is that exercise they're saying like exercise, but the thing to know about Exercisis, you don't exercise for weight loss, that's not what exercisis for it's actually not that great for weight loss, it's good for improving your mood and making you feel better and it can help with number eight with you just respecting your body. You can just feel good about your body without even really losing any weight just from from exercising from time to time, and they don't even say you necessarily need to exercise they're. Just saying move more yeah don't be Sedentary Shes, a big one, but but that was a big life. Changing thing, for me, too, is learning. That exercise is not about weight loss, its about boosting your mood and sense of well being yeah. It feels good it does. It feels really good, but if you do it to try to lose weight, it's very frustrating and counterproductive, and you'll eventually give up exercise, probably and then the last one honor your health with gentle nutrition, and this is the idea that you're making food choices that you you like the taste of, but also honor, the health aspect sure you might want to have some cookies and chips from time to time, but focusing on those you know, nonprocess foods that also do taste good, that's sort of the route that they suggest. You go right. So so that's that's intutive eating, although if you, if you go back to number three technically number, ten could be canceled out like if you're just like no, I really hate asparigus, I hate vegetables. I love Oreos, I'm just going no eat Oros they're like okay, that's fine! As long as you're not feeling guilt about as long as you love your body as long as you know, you're listening to yourself and the accuse your body's telling you whatever that's that's just part of it - it's go to town, just love, food and love. Yourself is kind of the message, which is a pretty pretty good message that I think a lot of people want to hear.

I think so.

You want to take a break and then talk about the idea that this is rooted in science, yeah.

Okay, we're going to do that. Eventually, everybody will be right back stun Tuck e - I don't know you know it' stuff, no inthis e, Great Nam e whoeverthat's, the it's a great nam, all right, stucks net within Yo, with an x all right, so intuitive eating.

This has been you know, sort of a new way of thinking.

That's come about over the last, like probably ten or fifteen years, maybe a little bit more, but it seems like it's really gain steam in the last dinner fifteen and the idea is that there all these bud buzz words that we are sort of ingrained in US dieting, losing weight, getting healthy, they've changed that to or changing from diet to things like getting healthy or it's a lifestyle, change and they're trying to avoid some of those earlier buzz words.

But if you're, an Antidie, proponent, you're saying you know what this is all the same stuff just because you call it a lifestyle now and you're talking about getting healthy rather than losing weight or going on a diet. It's the same size is just in different clothing, yeah, it's here's the standard and everyone needs to reach it, no matter what and that really flies in the face of this idea that w t that seems to be one of the tenets of intuitive eating and definitely of the antidiet movement, which is that every person has their own different.

Basically, genetic weight set point and that that is what your body's going to stay at no matter what, and if you try to contravene that setpoint, you might be successful for a little bit, but probably the vast majority of people are going to suffer relapse. I guess and they'll gain that way back over time. Give them enough time. They'll gain that way back and then the problem is, they might even gain even more, and so there are some diets out there that have been demonstrably shown to work like weight. Watchers now called ww like Jenny, Craig now called Jonny, Craig Still JC, although I didn't know, is Australian, so I guess it should be Genie Craig.

How Wis that that was great.

I don't think it was great. I thought all of a sudden I was talking to Russell Crow Right, so those have been shown to work.

The problem is this: that you are signing up for a lifetime of paying attention to what you eat, like that's, how it works like it'll work, but you have to keep it up for literally the rest of your life. If you want to keep that weight off so and then other diets, just don't work at all or they'll work temporarily, but then you just go right back and then you gain some weight and they seem to have figured out, at least according to Intwo deveating, Dietitians and anti dieting movement proponents that the there seems to be some biological response by the body to dieting, and it's almost this comedy of errors that just makes everything even worse. When you try to diet yeah, I mean the ideas you know, if, with any diet, pretty much you're restricting food in some way, whether it's a kind of food or the amount of food, there is almost always going to be some amount of hunger involved, even though they all say like with this diet. You'll never be hungry again.

They all say that. But that's sort of the idea with any diet is you're. Restricting yourself and antidiet proponents say you know what, when that happens, your body is wired to want to eat and survive, and when you're consuming less food energy, that's going to create that energy deficit and that's when you're going to be burning those fat stores, and that is how you lose weight.

But your body is also going to trigger a biological starvation response that is going to mean you're going to fail. Eventually, because your body's saying I got to eat, I think I'm, I think I'm lost in the middle of the woods all of a sudden and go eat.

You're hungry, you're, hungry yeah, you're more hungry than you would have been right. So this can very very easily lead to bingeting because you're, not just hungry, you're, you're hangry at this point yeah, and so when you finally do give in and start to eat, you're going to eat more than you would have.

If you were just playing hungry right right, that's a huge problem with it, but it seems to be even more more nuance than that and that the body seems to to enter basically a kind of starvation mode.

where, once it does manage to get you out of that or starvation response, where it does get you out of that diet and back into eating what what you just done is scare your brain, it seems like so where your brains as well.

I didn't realize that food scarcity was going to be an issue in our lifetime. So now that I realize it is I'm going to take that set point of ADIPOSITY, which is the amount of fat you would generally store on yourself, I'm going to inch it up a little higher so that that my person can store more fat, because we need to make sure that if this ever happens again we have plenty of energy stores. So when you come out of dieting, you can actually gain more weight than you had that before, because of that, because of that adoposity setpoint being increased and then, as a result, as a response O, you end up dyning again your brait as at happened again, so your adiposity setpoint might be set even higher and so you'll gain even more weight back and it's a phenomenon that we're just starting to understand that I can't tell if it's just theoretical or an interpretation of evidence, but a term I've seen for it is called Diet, andduced obesity and it's just fascinating to think that dieting can actually make you heavier than you would have been. If you hadn't dietet at all yeah, I mean here's a thing. I don't think we mentioned. Yet when your body goes into that biological response. That says: Oh boy, you got to eat now.

It's also saying you got to eat something. That's really high in calories, slike, don't reach for t the TRISKET FRIEND!

You need that pemeno cheese on white brhead, which yeah yeah co, meto cheese. You ever had that stuff. I've got some of my fridge right now, but Aman, that's the best. It's hard to go back to anything else. To be honest, I don't even know there was anything else anymore. Although it', Realy, feeli good, there's a listener who makes Queen Charlotte Pameno cheese out of Charlotte North Carolina as Agood, it's Queen Charlotte, it's extremely good. Yes, it's like high en pameno cheese, but it's not like snooty pemanches is like really really good. PEMENO ches. Do you? Do you get the Palmmetto? Do you get the Halipinio or bacon or just the plane, just the Holl opegna, okay, yeah? No, I've not had the Bacon, I'm trying not to eat pig yeah, no for any any health reasons, but just because they're supposed to be really smart yeah I mean I don't get the Bacong because emly doesn't need it and I don't I just get the plane. I don't get the help e now either because I don't live Super Hut things. Although and it's not that hot it's it's becoming really apparent that emily and I are basically one and the same person but have drawn up divorce papers. For that reason, that's it from her me.

We can't get divorced. Okay, all right good.

So we whow were we talking about Oh yeah yeah, so your body wants even like high high Calori fraids to pack that weight back on and it's going to pack up more than last time, because you've scared it into thinking that it's going to possibly run into food scarcity again.

So that's what you're doing is you're, basically forcing your body into a starvation mode to lose weight. But your body responds by saying, like I'm, two steps ahead of you: You're not going to win this game and then you're, eventually going to keep gaining more and more weight back and dieting more and more and and here's the other big part of it to chuck. Is that you're going to end up on this disappointing treadmill? Where you wasted all this time and energy and emotion into something? That's just going to frustrate you and the antidieting people just say stop well which could trigger what leads you to eat to begin with, which is stress in anxiety, right about your weight right and then there are people like Christ, Harrison author she's, a Podcaster, AF food, Psychen, author of Antidiet, Colon, reclaim your time, money well being and happiness through intuitive eating, colon she's, also a registered Dietitian. So she knows what she's talking about to yeah.

So she says you know what this your nutrition, your physical activity, smoking, alcohol, any kind of behavioral health determine ite - is just about thirty percent of your overall health. Anyway, and you know people hang everything on this like that. Like an ideal, we ideal weight means I'm healthy and and of course you think people should quit smoking.

I'm not saying hey go out and smoke anyway, but there are people that say all of this stuff combined is only about thirty percent of your health and I'm sure your genetics have a lot to do with it.

Somebody mad somebody's anxiety and stress level, maybe so high that they have. You know a steel cable running through their body at all times and they may be thin, but they may drop dead from that heart attack in their es because they're not addressing other factors in their life other than food right and that's it's kind of rich to for the Diet, culture to be like well. What about health? What about health because die? There's some pretty unhealthy diets out there.

I ran across a few that have come and gone over the years and then sometimes I revived have you heard of the sleeping beauty? Diet.

What's that you take an hap every time, you're hungry you take sleeping pills at night, so you sleep longer, so you're not awake to eat, don't forget deala meal which wasn't necessarily bad, but it was definitely Cali restrictive, Richard Symmons, right, colorful, cute little line cards or something yeah, a the grape fruit diet, the cabbage soup diet, which e per I was verys severely and the cabage soup Di didn't realize this states back to the es and they eer that the thing is it's Calori restrictive, so you're entering that that that's that starvation response and it'll work at first, it's just you, you eat more when you finally get to eat again and then there's this one is.

I just can't believe this.

This is a real thing, chuck the feeding, Tube Diet.

I didn't even want to look that up.

I did and it's exactly what you think yeah I figured a doctor a doctor like I guess, a doctor Nick type fits you with the Nasogastric tube that delivers about eight hundred calories of nutrients directly to your stomach and under the severe calory restriction, you will shed the weight but again you're going to gain it all back and then Soe, probably when you start eating again.

So when did the all you that that's still going on really yes, so the idea that you that not dieting is unhealthy is awfully rich. Coming from people who undertake some of these extraordinarily dangerous diet, like you can get a kidney infection from that.

Feeding Tube Diet like a lot of stuff can go wrong, but there are some things that that do exist in the world that you have to kind of consider, and one of them is the obesity epidemic which is tough to get around, but astoundingly the Anti Diet movement has been like we got this yeah I mean the Antidia Diet. Movement says there is no public health crisis going on unless you're talking about the Diet culture burn they're like there is no OBCD epidemic. If you look at the average weight of Americans compared to the generation before it's about six to eleven pounds more and maybe what this is done. If you look at the BMI scale, which basically says there are three types of people or I guess for underweight normal, overweight and Abese - that might that six to eleven pounds, which amounts to ten extra callories a day over time that might nug you into a different category, from overweight to obese or from normal to overweight.

But BMI and mortality are just - and this is this - is what they're saying is that that's causation like weve?

We think we have evidence that shows that being obese and having a higher BMI doesn't mean you're going to die sooner, which is that's astoundingly, contrary to to common, since it seems like, or at least the common perception of, the link between being overweight and being dead.

Basically and apparently the the the the holy text of antidieting seems to revolve around Tis two thousand and six study by law professor named Campo. So I don't know at campus his first name but Campos, did a survey of the medical literature and tried to find the the correlations between BMI immortality and and seem to find that there actually is a correlation. But it's not where you think that people who are in the overweight range or the low range of obesity, apparently don't seem to have much more of a risk factor than anybody who's in the normal weight range. As far as mortality goes, you have to get into the the the the far side of obesity and then the far side of underweight to get to where you're actually at risk of dying.

So that's super contrary to to what most people think and again like there's. This is a two thousand and six study by a law professor to survey of the D, The literature on nutrition and wait, and so you can take that as you will.

But at the same time, if it is correct, it's still to me, I don't think it discounts everything, because if people have gained six to eleven pounds on average compared to just a generation before that, that's not terribly much, I mean it seems like a lot depending on how I guess inculcated into the Diet, culture you are, but it it seems like that's, taking a snapshot of something that were still in the process of and then just saying, don't worry about it, because it's just this much not well. How much more is it going to be and is there danger if we reach that point?

If everybody ends up like the humans in that in Wali, you know, and it's kind of a kin to saing like well the it's just the living room, that's on fire right now, but there's the whole rest of the house is not on firestop your moral panic about housefires, it's very a similar to that. So I'm not saying that it's wrong and I'm not saying that it doesn't help the antidiet movements ideas.

But I think that just to say, like Bam case closed is, is a little Glib, you're being glibmat.

What's that Rom we say that in our house a lot that was when Tom Cruisand Matt Lower Interviewed Tom Cruise?

Oh yes, intolgy, Youre, being Lib Matt, that is about his Tom Cruise thing to say, is anyone's Ever Sen and look what happened to mat lower yeah.

He got cruised.

You want to take a break.

Oh my gosh. Have we not taken a second break? Yet? No, let's take a break in we'll, come back and talk about the big elephantit in the room right after this ntuck?

U I don't know you know it's stuff, Nodin, this a grat name, Ye whoeverthat's, the am it's a great name, all right, stucks net within ye with an x, so the elephant in the room is nutrition.

I think this is the glaring thing that, if you've been listening so far and and disagreed with a lot of the antidiet movement, you're probably saying you can eat just Orios just because it makes you feel good, you got to have nutrition. The body needs nutrition and here's the thing the body does need nutrition, but the antidiet movement says just unwire your brain on this moral judgment on food and if you get to intuitive eating you'R, what we're saying is: listen to your body and if you eat these just oreos for lunch, you're going to feel like garbage later on right and if you're listening to your body, your body is going to tell you that it wants nutrition and it wants good vegetables and at Onte whole foods and if you're, really intune and you're really listening and you're, not just saying oh well, I'm just going to give myself permission because I'm an antiditer to do whatever I want, and I maybe doubled over in pain every afternoon from eating garbage food.

That means you're not doing it right that mean you're, not listening to your body, because your body will crave nutritional health right, you'se, just being a smart Alic. At that point, that's right!

So tthere's, that's kind of like the big, the big thing among registered dieticians and nutritionists. That basically says, like you, know: Yeah we're in favor of antidieting and we're definitely in favor of people being body positive, there's something called healthy at every size that was founded by Dr Bacon of all people. Isn't it healthy at any weight or is it any size?

Anhy, Sigh, okay, yes, ize health at every size, alrigtthat's right, Linda Bacon, back in two thousand and ten, and so most most Dietitians and nutritions are like, of course, we're all very much in favor of that. But, like nutrition is important and I'm sure there's some people, thet are like yeah, you would say that you're a nutritionist, but it is there's just.

I just think that there's no getting around the idea that y t, you need healthy whole foods.

I think the problem is the antidiet movement says that sounds awfully close to there's such things as good foods and such things as bad food right, and we reject that out. Right, yeah and the nutritionsus are saying there really is such things as foods that are better for you and your body and are going to make you feel better when you eat them than other foods. So technically sure there is such thingas good and bad foods tof that sense, but not shame it's just.

This is going to provide more benefits for you than this yeah, and you know there is a real danger to and the people that are.

I guess you would say against the antidiet movement say like listen. We can't let this thing we're all for body positivity, but we can't let it go so far on the other direction that your diet, shaming and you're saying you know you shouldn't eat, like you were saying you shouldn't seek out nutritional foods like don't let the pendulum swing so far in the other direction that your brainwashing people into thinking that they can just eat, garbage all the time and be healthy.

I don't get the impression that that is super prevalent among Anti Diet, movement and on'. The get is, I think, it's more, the seems to be targeting any kind of weight loss and that seems to be a division in the antidiet movement itself right so where, if you, if you want to lose weight or even if you don't say you want to lose weight, but it's evident that you did there's a model named Ashley, Graham who was a full figured sports, illustrated cover model a couple years back and she like lost a few, a few pounds, but its still definitely plus eyes and full figured and proud of it but h.

She she faced a huge backlash as a result of that where people were like I'm not a fan of yours anymore, because you lost you lost weight and you've betrayed us all.

So there's there's this division between. Well, no, I feel better when I shed a couple of pounds - and I have no problem with with wanting to shed a couple of pounds and the other side is like you can't even think that way. That's Diet, culture, brainwashing, you!

We reject that and we reject you basically too, and so there's it's just the Internet's been injected into it, which is the problem, is what it seems like right, because people should be able to make their own decisions on their own bodies and how they feel it best suits them without being piled on on the Internet, an on either side and - and I get to also that people are like well now that, like when you talk about that stuff, it makes me feel shame it triggers my shame.

But the problem is is like you, you can't control other people. You can only control yourself in your response to other people, andforcing other people to behave in a way that makes life easier for you is not how things work like you have to just focus on yourself and your own response in your own positivity, so that it is strong enough in robust enough that it can withstand hearing other people talk about how they wish they could lose some weight and being like.

You know what I don't anymore, I'm truly body positive. I truly love my body.

That would be the true body positivity that people are trying to achieve there and it would solve the problem of fighting in fighting among people who agree on almost everything else. You know yeah and it's you know it's a it's so hard wired, it's really hard to undo. It takes a lot of work.

Thate was a study in two thousand and seventeen of intuitive eating, among retired female athletes, and they said they felt very liberated and when they, you know made that shift to food freedom for lack of he better term.

But they said it quote: UNNESSESS necissitated an effortful process of recalibration during which athletes had to relearn and reinterpret their bodies, physiological signals of hunger and sashity. So, like I was saying earlier, how that you know you'V, you lose these signals from when you were a baby, that you, a lot of work has to go into relearning those signals - and these are from these female athletes of - and this isn't necessarily the same thing, but there's a big movement now among former NFL players to get their health back into shape and there's a long list of these men who have come out saying the NFL like kills you the weight that you have to keep on the amount of food that you have to eat to be.

You know an offenser, oer, defensive, Lineman and the before and after pictures of some of these guys that are like six four three. Twenty on the offensive line that are now like six, four, two, twenty five wow, it's unbelievable and they're, just like I've, never felt better in my life and I can walk around now and I don't feel like I'm.

You know carrying a sled behind me right because the NFL is just like no man, you gotta, you got Ta Weigh Three hundred an twenty five pounds. If you want to be on the line yeah and then I think also the opposite way is for people who are in sports and have to be severely calori restricted, you're, basically taught to have an eating disorder right that you have to unlearn when you stop playing sports too, so it kind of goes both ways. I think the key here is for everybody for athletes for everyday people, for people who are overweight, underweight th, the the cross that all of us are bearing if youll. Allow me to get a little religious of my metaphors here is that we all have to stop being so obsessed with food and how we look in our weight, and it's just we're all almost all of us are on the same road together and it's good to remember that we're on it together, traveling together, let's stop squabbling with one another.

I definitely honor my hunger.

You got anything else, Igat, nothing else.

Okay, thank you for listening everybody. We hope this helped. We hope it didn't set anybody off if it did email us. Let us know we apologize in advance. That was definitely not our intent and since we said that it's time for listener me, I'M gonna call this X, murder and family or X, murdered family. Hey, you guys are the best stumbled upon your Macha that ain't just tea podcast a few weeks ago, and I've been down to stuff. You should know rabbit whole ever since well. Welcome to the show of Jinny yeah welcome love, hearing about new listeners right most recently, I've been really into your shows about x, murderers, they're, fascinating and get this I've discovered that members of my own family were killed by an axe murderer or two in the eighteen hundreds wow there's a whole book about it, title to murder along the Muscanic Kong murder along the Mascani Kong.

I thought it was more they're called the infamous change water massacres of eighteee. Forty three, the Castner family, which is my family line, was sleeping one night when two men who were attempting to rob them, came in and murdered the mother uncle and two year old sister with axis they had lured the father outside, killed him and threw him in a ditch right before that.

What's amazing is that there were two survivors, little JP and his older brother Victor, who were asleep on a cot behind the doorway.

The murderers had no clue the boys were there and they were left Uno unharmed and slept through the whole thing.

It' six, an ten years old.

What's interesting is that I'm not sure if the two men convicted were killers were the killers more than two other men were originally arrested, so it's kind of sketchy you guys should check it out.

Thanks for all, you do you're a comfort, especially during the strange season that is from Jinny Farnan thanks Jenny. That's awesome, we're probably just porning.

I get I like Farda the destroyer, the Macha drinker, thanks Jenny. We appreciate you listening.

Can you mention those two boys six and ten Beng like hey who's up for Pancat when they wake up?

Is it too soon?

It's one thusand, eight hudred and thirty, four murder chuck and the other one says No. I'd rather have Waffo.

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