Hey and welcome to the short stuff, I'm Josh and there's Chuck Inm Jerry's wandering around the hall somewhere stuck to the Gill, like a fatten goose, with Meso Gross, Oh yeah.

That makes I sorr, like she eats balls of me, so doesn't even chew them, just swallows them like a duck and they get stored in her liver and eventually we will kill Jerry and eat that liver and it's going to be delicious. I'm surprised, Thata, Meso, manufacturer and distributor hasn't. I guess you don't manufacture it, but packager has not tried to custom brand a Meso Jerry brand.

It's a it's a, I think. Maybe we should do that.

Maybe not my best idea.

It's not a bad idea, though you know what I'm saying sure it's not one that just makes you go like.

Let's just keep talking and preten iou'e going to say that appreciate that, like there's a few bucks in it for S, I think down the road there right. Okay, so we're talking about fat and liver, because if you translate the word fatty liver into the FRONCH, it comes out to be Foi Gras, but you may have heard of before. You may have evbeen eaten before nope.

You Mad Detest yes, but it's like one of the most controversial foods ever and I mean like seriously. You could have never even seen the stuff and have just heard those words, and you probably are aware that it is an extremely controversial food yeah, and this is something I've never tried in certainly because of the practice, but even before I knew how it happened.

I just don't eat organ meats and fattened goose, liver. Just a would not appeal to me anyway.

I don't like pet tays and stuff like that, so it never would have been on my culinary radar anyway.

I have to admit that, on a visit to Italy, I ate any kind of organ meat, I'm sure literally morning, noon and night for days on end, and it was just a dream. Oh God, the thing is, is there's a lot of people out there who say: Hey, fepbowy, won't you quit eating that stuff, because there's a lot of animals that suffered to make that - and they have a really good case so much so that there have been bands specifically on Fuagra. In fact, in New York in two thousand and nineteen, they passed a ban bill, Thirteen N, seventy eight that prohibits, give Tus, storing, maintaining selling or offering to sell force, fed products or food containing force fed products which is basically targeting flagra because Fagras a force fed product. Hence the controversy associated with it.

That's right, India, Australia, California, other places that havbanned Fuagra from being, I guess at least sold and served in restaurants and the practice you're talking about this force feeding is T. is it called gavage, I believe so yeah? That's that's how I would say gavage - and this goes way way back to Jesus at least Egypt when they were forcefeeding these geese, when they saw that t quote developed that waterfoul developed large fatty livers after eating large amounts in preparation for migration yeah, and then this goes to the Mediterranean and then into France, where a lot of our culinary traditions were born, and there was a chef there, nameds Jean Josef Klaus or Klausa, that probably be German Klaus right and he is credited with creating the first fwagrad in seventeen. Seventy nine and patenting it in seventeen. Eighty four yeah and he got twenty pistols from King Louis, the sixteenth saying thanks a lot pal for creating flagras. I love it. I slather it on my naked body. Every night go shoot some geese, so yeah th they're, like th. This is based on this idea that that ducks and geese naturally fatten up storing fat on the liver they stored on their under their skin too. Like we do, we also store fat on our liver but geese. An and ducks are just evolutionary aces at storing fat in their liver, and it just so happens that somebody said I wonder what that tastes like.

They tried it and we're like this is astounding and most of the time when you have pete it's Erfwagra, it isn't a pate form, which is to say it looks a lot like cat food, Mkanconsistency, very similar color, maybe even a similar smell.

It's the taste that really differentiates it, not just the taste but also the price they can get up to like eighty bucks, a pound, usually forty to eightyars a pound for flaugras, which is a lot of money for a pound of any kind of food.

But one of the reasons why is the production is so food is so labor intensive, right, yeah, big time, then also the stuff that goes in along with it like very fine brandies truffles, it's a it's about as Decadin a food as you can find yeah just really reeks of well. I guess it reaks of Henry the eighth ther King Louis, the sixteenth and people like that who got galp when they were in their twis and just surrounded themselves with fats and meats and liver organ meats, and things like that.

I'm sure I'm making you hungry I'm about to vomit bit, I'm just remembering all the TURENS, but if you're on the other side of the coin - and you are into animal rights and stuff like that, you might say: Hey Ducks hypervintolate, sometimes sometimes they bleed.

Sometimes they are shackled when you were forcefeeding them they rallied for that Bill. The thirteen seventy eight buill that you'ere talking about and you can be fined anywhere from five hundred to two housand dollars, starting in two thousand and twenty two in New York City Yeah. When it takes effect, I guess all of New York or maybe just New York City.

So you would think, like you know what's controversial about this - is just rotten it's wrong. It's mean all the produce like one of the most decadent foods around like there's, really nothing countral controversial about that. It's it's sounds pretty one sided and a lot of people feel that way.

There is, however, another side that argue against it and we will visit them right after this all right. So there's a lot of people out there chuck that say we hear what you're saying but you're all dumb and you're wrong, and they actually say it like that.

A Lot, a lot of like chefs, especially celebrity shets, have actually taken a stand in favor of Foigra, saying that it's unfairly targeted.

One of the reasons I saw, I read a couple of posts on serious eats in defense of it, and they said you know this is a a type of food, that's associated with the very rich.

It's really easy to get people roiled up, because you hear things like force, feeding and jamming tubes down animals, necks, making their liver ten times their normal size.

You put all that together and you know: fog Gra becomes unfairly targeted and it's kind of hard to swallow at first.

Very sorry about that one, the idea that anybody would defend force, feeding an animal to faten its liver to ten times it size. So that galtridden old richies can eat a little bit of this stuff, but if something is unfairly demonized, it is worth looking into an unpacking and they do make a couple of good points here. There yeah there's a group called the catskill fuagrock collective worst band name ever and they produce most of the Fuagra that you would get in New York City could still get. I guess, once restaurants are open for the next couple. F years, yeah and Theythey have challenged the ban and they say it's unconstitutional.

You don't have jurisdiction over what we do te Blasio and these are our businesses and you can't shut us down and the I guess, the leader, the president, Marcus Hinley, O the cats Gil Fua rock collective says you know what this this little tube is really not causing any discomfort duck. Ducks aren't like us, they're built different this than than us and this tube. Is They love? This thing trust me.

Basically, in that serious seats article, they went to like the greatest flaggraf arm on the planet and the ducks like came over to get their gavage feeding, but the that's definitely not par for the course. There's a lot of videos out there of some really abusive duck and geese farms where they're stuck in cages and their beaks are broken and they're bleeding out of their noses and their lost feathers, and they have like vomit around their mouth and they're still being force fed.

There's some really awful operations out there, but the apparently, if you're, getting good fog, Gra you're, getting it from SOMEBODYWHO's, treating their animals very well and the case they're. Making about docks and geese being built differently than us is that therosophic is their SAPA guy. I guess, are not connected to their Trakia they're two separate ones, rather than shared like inhumans and therosophicus, is allowed to stretch like they can eat fish that are many times over the size of their actual Asaphagu. So they can stretch pretty easily. So that's where they say it doesn't really give them much discomfort if any and that theyre their liver fattening to like huge, like sizes, that it's actually kind of built to do that.

This is just human, speeding up this process or kind of making it in like a simulated way like the ducks. The ducks and the geese aren't doing this to migrate, but they are responding naturally to this kind of simulated packing on the weight and that, if you kind of start to understand it, you will probably change your mind about Flagra. I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion, but from what I read it isn't as quite as as bad as I presumed the one that got me, though chuck is that if you they say, if you are fine with eating eggs, you don't really think about where your chicken eggs are coming from.

You've got no leg to stand on going after Flagras, because the chickens that are producing those eggs that you're eating are being treated just as bad, if not worse, than the worst cases of the ducks and the geese that are being fattened up for pate.

That is the one point that I find difficult to challenge.

Well, yeah I mean you know I very famously worked in the chicken farming industry. Unfortunately, as a marketing person and it's terrible, but these days you can get chickens from one of your neighbors most likely and that's what we do.

It does smell like a what aboutism you know. I think it smells like it, because it very much is exactly that yeah yeah, so I mourn flogry, don't think I can really eat it anymore. I haven't eaten in a very long time, but I do have my memories with it.

The livers of dead abuse ducks that I've eaten. So I'm sorry dust, I'm sorry, GE, quack, that's okay! Quack thing! I wonder if you know you said that they were ment or not meant to, but their libers would fatten up anyway for Migration. I guess IY are meant to.

I wonder if these ducks run over there to get this force feeding, because they're like this is Goinna. Get me out of here. Man, O'm Gona fly fly, fly pretty soon.

I got to get out of here. This is the worst.

Oh goodness, and the unconstitutional thing I'm like what are they talking about supposedly statewise, it's unconstitutional because they're trying to regulate interstate commerce, but I don't know that that necessarily holds up interesting.

So there you go faggro everybody go make up your own mind about it, go, do little research and see what you think and in the meantime short stuff is that Stuff You Should Know, is a production of iHeartRadios. House stuff works for more podcast to my heart radio, because it, the iHeartRadio App Apple Podcasts, are wherever you listen to your favorite shows