November 2, 2009 • 29 mins
In this podtastic episode, Jonathan and Chris explore how podcasting works. Tune in as they touch on everything from how TechStuff got its start to tips for listeners who want to become podcasters themselves.
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It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with
tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. You've heard
the rumors before, perhaps and whispers written between the lines
of the textbooks. Conspiracies, paranormal events, all those things that
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disappear from the official explanations. Tune in and learn more
of the stuff they don't want you to know in
this video podcast from how stuff works dot com. Hello there, everybody,
and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poette,
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and I'm the tech editor here at how stuff works
dot com. Sitting across from me as usual, that would
be senior writer Johnathan Stripline. Let's turn this mother out, y'all. Yeah, okay,
hey there all alright, So today we're going to talk
about some podcasting tips. We actually get a lot of
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requests to do an episode about podcasting, and we keep
coming up with the reasons why we shouldn't do it today. Right,
we today, we decided to do it today. We're like,
you know what, We're gonna get this all the way.
You know why, because if we weren't doing our podcasting works,
you know what we would be doing cantennis or tech
conspiracy theories to other ones that we keep putting off. Actually,
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just between you and us, we're not supposed to talk
about the tech conspiracy that's right. They don't want you
to know, So let's talk about podcasting instead. Um. Now,
we've had a lot of people ask us things, everything
ranging from what kind of equipment do we use? What
kind of software do we use? Uh, and just general
tips on podcasting. So people who want to get into podcasting,
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what should they do? What should they avoid doing? And uh,
A lot of the stuff that we have learned over
the course of our what year and a half of podcasting, Uh,
mainly we've learned through trial and error. Wow, a year
and a half. Yeah, sorry, yeah, it's pretty much been
a year and a half. And um yeah, and and
he's he's right. Actually, Um, we were one of the
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very first podcasts at how Stuff Works com and um
we followed stuff you should Know and stuff you missed
in history class. So we were the third one. Actually,
Marshall Brains Marshall Brain has been doing one for a while, right.
He was doing a podcast in a blog sort of
independently from the group for a long time. And then
and then we jumped on board. And um, actually when
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when I was the first Josh's first co host on stuff,
you should know, right, So you've been doing this longer
than just about anyone else besides Josh. Um. But it's
funny because we tried a bunch of different stuff. We've
actually had uh, we got We've gotten some comments over
the course of the last year and a half, like,
you know who writes this stuff, right, and the answer
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is nobody. We actually, Josh and I tried a little
bit writing some of this stuff out and that just
totally we tried to hasket with that and that totally
didn't work. The earliest tech stuffs we we outlined the
heck out of those early early shows. Um, all right,
so let's let's talk Let's talk about the genesis of
tech stuff in general, and then we'll talk about some
of the equipment we use, and then we'll give some
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podcasting tips. How about that? That sounds great? So, you know,
this is the sort of stuff that we used to
talk about before the show, and we would outline it
and we would go point by point. We don't do
that anymore, which is why we kind of go through
things in a haphazard way, although I do feel compelled
to point out that not all the podcasters here at
how stuff Works dot Com go by that theory. Now,
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in general, we do try to be conversational. I mean
that's there's nobody's I don't know if anybody that scripts
out what they're going to say when they come onto
the podcast. But um, I think everybody pretty much, you know,
just has a good rapport with his or her co
host and it's sort of okay, we're gonna talk about
these ten things, make sure we cover this or that.
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Jonathan and I are just sort of looser about it.
We don't we don't meet beforehand like some of the
other podcasters too. So yeah, everyone has their own style.
We'll get to we'll get to style in a little bit.
So let's do the history of tech stuff. So um
our editor in chief came to us conal Burne. He
came to us and said, guys, we want you to
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do a podcast about technology. Think you would blow it
out of the park. You'll be super rock stars, uh,
that kind of thing. And I looked around and said,
I'm sorry, what are you talking right? And I was like,
let me go. I want to do it, let's do
it now. And uh so we were told at that
time that we were trying you know, this, this was
brand new for us. It was not something that how
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Stuff works dot com had been doing before besides Marshall's
podcasts and the the this is before even Stuff you
Should Know had started to publish. This is uh just
before it started to publish. So at that time, since
we were all kind of new to this, we decided
to put some limitations and some parameters up to kind
of give us a framework so that we wouldn't just
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flail around the way we do now. Um speak for yourself,
I flail pretty handily, thank you man. Okay, So the
very the very first rules were that the episodes had
to be around five minutes in length, and they were
supposed to relate back to a specific article on the site. Wow,
that just makes me want to laugh. Yeah, we don't
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do that anymore. We don't. We don't do either of
those things anymore now. Now other podcasts they do, they'll
they'll still cover specific articles, which is fine. We just
that we don't have to do We're no longer required
to do that, but we can do that if we
want to. And we've done a couple of episodes where
we've talked about specific articles, but fortunately we're no longer uh,
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restricted to just that. So back then, we discovered very
quickly that it was hard to get into a topic
and cover it in five minutes. Most of our episodes
were pushing seven or eight minutes easily because by the
time we were telling me the introducts, we had about
two and a half minutes left to explain whatever it
was we were talking about. But we also got feedback
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from our listeners that and the most of the feedback said,
you know, I like the podcast, but it needs to
be longer because you're not really getting into the topic.
So with that, we extended the time to about ten minutes, right,
we went from five to ten, And so if you
look at those early Tech Stuff episodes, you'll see the
first few or five minutes long, and then the next
group is about ten minutes, and after that kind of
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explodes because we were told one day we came in
and that was when Jerry was producing our show, uh,
and she told us one day like, oh, don't worry
about the time, just don't go over you know, twenty
five minutes. That's probably that's probably about the upper length
of what we want to hit. But other than that,
you know, go as long as you need to go
to explain the topic. And that's when our episodes really
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started to change. At the same time that we had
the five and ten minute rule, we were outlining our
episodes pretty heavily. Yeah, because we had to make sure
we hit that time limit. We couldn't go over it,
so we wanted to make sure we knew what we
needed to hit. We couldn't just talk our way through it. Yeah.
And we also when we had that was very helpful
when we had specific ideas that we wanted to hit
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in the podcast, to which um uh, we don't always
get to in some cases. I've gone back and looked
at my notes on a couple of podcasts and gone, oh, man,
I didn't talk about that. Yeah, it's happened to me too,
So you know that it can be useful to have
an outline, especially if you want to do that. But
then again, uh, most of the time when we do that,
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it's because we get so excited about whatever it is
that we're talking about, and then we have so much
we want to say about it that we just keep
going yeah. So once those uh once once beforemat changed.
We we started to change our own methods and we
we began to realize that well, not yeah, sometimes so
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we went to the German opera range um, but no.
The we began to realize that the more we would
a pair together for a show that we were about
to do, the less conversational it was, and the more
like a lectur e it sounded. You know, it didn't
sound like we have two guys trying to explain and
talk about a a topic and give it context. It
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sounded like the prerecorded notes for some sort of you know,
technology lecture. And so we started to do our own
studying at that point, and then we would just meet
for the podcast and we need to have our own notes.
We would sometimes share links if we saw saw something
that was really useful, so that the other person would
also have access to it and not just you know,
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come out of nowhere and um. But then we would
just we sit down at the microphones and hit record,
and then we would torture whoever it was that was
producing our show at the time with horrible puns as
we talked about whatever the topic was. Yes, that's a
that's a helpful tip that I would give you if
you're considering doing your own podcast, make sure to use
plenty of puns. Yeah, because lord knows everyone loves puns.
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Josh and Chuck are incredibly fond of puns. Yes, they
like puns the way I like pie. You must hate
pie a lot more than I thought you did. So
let's talk a little bit about the equipment and software
that we use. All right, So what do you want
to start with? Microphones? Yeah, we'll talk about the mic
So we were asking our producers about the microphones. Because
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you may find this hard to believe, but even though
we are the tech writer and editor of how Stuff
Wars dot com, we do not have a database filled
with every single piece of equipment that is in our office. Yeah.
That's that's true, and uh, you know, sort of bridging
the gap between this history of tech stuff and the equipment.
UM there are. One of the nice things about us
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getting into podcasting in the first place was we already
had a studio available to us because there were other
projects that we used a lot of this equipment for.
We already had um, you know, high end video equipment,
UM and audio equipment, and people who knew how to
use it. Um, So you know, you don't necessarily this
is not necessarily set up. You know, we already had
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some of this stuff. Yeah, we repurposed a lot of
stuff that we had for other projects, specifically for podcasting. Um.
We are not saying that you need to go out
and purchase similar equipment because for one thing, it's probably
out of a lot of people's price range. Um range. Yeah,
it's definitely on the mind if I were to do
this on my own. But this is people have asked
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us what we used, so I thought we would go
ahead and explain. So for our microphones, we use a
kg S and they are C two thousand B microphones.
We were told by Mr Matt Frederick that they are
not omnidirectional, despite the fact that they totally look like
omnidirectional microphones. But they're not. They're directional. They just have
a wide angle or a wide cone that you can
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speak into, which is a good thing because occasionally, well
you know, lounge in a weird way and just talk
toward the microphone and it still seems to pick us
up pretty well. Yeah, we also have a nice pop
filter in front of itself. Yes, we do. Use pop
filters because we don't want to pop our peas. Yeah.
We also have as our pre amp UM. You don't
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necessarily have to have a pre amp if you've got
a microphone. The plugs directly into say a USB port,
but we aren't using that. We're using a pre amp,
the the Applied Research and Technology pre amp UM, and
we have one of those per input. We have got
three of the pre amps because we do have three inputs,
although we have not actually used the third one yet.
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UM Stuff you should know has used it for their
healthcare series. They had Molly in and she got to
she set in and joined Josh and Chuckers as we
like to call him for sometimes listeners like to call
me Chuckers when they forget that my name is Jonathan. Um, well,
you know Jonathan sounds like Chuck. Yeah, we haven't figured out,
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by the way, which one of us should be more offended,
Chuck should be more offended, or if I should. Neither
of us are really offended, because you know, Chuck's a
cool guy and and I'm not on his radar. So
um now, as for as for the software we use,
we're using uh final cut right, Yeah, so that's the
that's the audio software we're using. We record with Soundtrack,
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which is part of that suite, and then um for
all of our sound effects whenever we do soundscaping, Liz
pulls that from the suite as well. Yeah, we're we
are using a Macintosh computer to do this, but you
there are software programs for Windows and Linux both that
can can do the same kinds of things. And and
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Matt Frederick also wanted to me to point out that
his favorite piece of equipment that we have, We're not
using it right now, but his favorite piece of equipment
is called the Blue Icicle, and you can plug an
xcel Our microphone into this. It converts it to USB
and it actually has a volume control on the device itself,
so you can help control that the levels before it
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ever reaches your computer. Yeah. Yeah, then the name of
the company is Blue and it is the article. So
but he he wanted specifically for us to point that out.
So that's that's our setup. But here's the thing. Now,
we're gonna get into some podcasting tips. And one of
the tips I would give people is don't sweat the
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the equipment and software that much. Yes, that's not necessarily
that that that should not be your number one concern,
because if you're concerned with having the most technologically advanced
equipment and the most the software with the most features,
you might have a podcast that sounds really good, but
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that that's not enough for listeners to tune into you
week after week. Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, as
long as you have a quiet room, um, you know,
something preferably without hard floors and some where you're not
gonna be Yeah, I mean you might. You might even
try out a couple of different settings, especially if you
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have a laptop computer and something that you know, something
that simply plugs into your your machine should be fairly
easy for you to test a couple of different environments
and see what sounds good to you. You can, I
would suggest testing up several different kinds of microphones. Maybe,
like there's some headsets that actually aren't that bad. They
actually provide a very decent sound. Um. At home, I
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use a snowball mic which works really well for me.
It's a nomnidirectional mic and it actually I like it
a lot. But I use that with my mac um
and then a lot of you know, I would probably
recommend against using a a native microphone on a computer.
I mean, some of them can pick up sound pretty well,
but most of them you're not going to get the
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best sound quality out of those. And that's one thing
I would say is getting an independent microphone is probably
a good purchase, a good investment. I I think that, Uh,
that's sort of a very basic necessity unfortunately, but you
don't have to to fork over, you know, hundreds of
dollars to to do that. In fact, you can even
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get a good XLR for less than hundred dollars really
or maybe just over right. You would just need to
have the equipment to plug it into exactly, so perhaps
a nicicle or or a pre app or uh, you know,
in an expensive board. It depends on how many inputs
you're gonna want to use, too, because if you are,
if you're gonna want to have, say, get your your
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friends together and do a podcast with a bunch of people,
you're gonna need something to handle the different channels, assuming
you're not all going to speak into one mic. Uh,
you could be a little cozy quarters there. So let's
talk a little bit about some other stuff like uh,
post production. I just said right there, that was yes,
I heard the now. Some podcasters would want to go
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in and take out all the uz um pauses things
like that in order to make a podcast sound more
smooth and professional. That would be really time consuming. It
takes so much time that that can take. Okay, you
imagine a thirty minute long podcast and then you and
now you're going to interruptions you're gonna take keep doing.
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It will take you hours to get the sounds of
Plette screaming out of your podcast because you're strangling him repeatedly.
So concerning yourself with this, I think taking out really
really bad stuff, like stuff where it just it brings
the recording to us halt. That's fine, But I wouldn't
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worry about any of the small things because it gives
your your podcast little character. People really talk like that.
It's not something to be ashamed of. Unless you're like
some sort of professional voice over actor or radio personality.
You probably haven't trained yourself to take that that stuff
out of your speech. I haven't, and I'm doing this
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as part of my job. So that's all well and good. However,
you know, um yeah, I think one of the problems
with that is, I mean, you sort of have to
think about what you're gonna do here. But I think
that also makes it sound really flat. Yeah. I mean,
if you were, you know, reading off a script, you
don't have any ums or us it just it comes
off as really really flat. Yeah, it doesn't. It's not
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very inviting to the listener necessarily. Uh So let's talk
a little bit more about some other tips. The one
of the big tips I would I would give anyone
who's getting into podcast is really, what's the purpose of
your podcast? Define that figure out why you want you know,
why do you want a podcast? What is it that
you want to say? Is there a specific topic or
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uh category of information that you really want to talk about.
Is there a specific game that you want to do
a podcast about, or a specific television show or genre? Um,
don't you know? Doing a podcast about practically anything sounds
like it's very liberating, but it actually ends up being
really frustrating and difficult to to pull off well. It
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also is hard to get an audience because someone may
have a real interest in one topic, but your next
topic doesn't interest them at all because it's not at
all related to the first one. It's hard to build
an audience that way. And one thing you can consider too,
is um limiting yourself more at the beginning, because you
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can you can always change. You think back to the
early days of tech stuff. We had to uh, we
had to talk about a specific article. So we would
look on the site for something that we wanted to
talk about and then okay, we got a topic, a
specific topic, and we you know, would riff on that
for five or ten minutes. Well, now, um, one of
the things that Jonathan and I and I like to
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try to do, I mean, other than answering listener meals.
That's kind of been where we've been the last few weeks.
But um, you know, we've want to try to come
up with something that's not on the website. But you know,
we still are working within the confines of computers and electronics. Um.
But you know, it did give us a platform from
which to start, because we already had something to talk about.
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I mean, you could say, well, I want to talk
about everything, but maybe start with something you know, well,
like video games. And then maybe you say, well, I
like talking about video games, but what if I want
to talk about board games too, so you could have
a games podcast or even like you yeah, exactly, I've
been talking about role playing games. Now, maybe I should
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talk about this fantasy movie that I really like, and
that that'd be fine too. I mean, having it grow
organically is probably a good tip as well, you know,
don't You don't necessarily have to force it into any
kind of um any specific model. Another thing I would
recommend an easy way to build an audience, a good
dependable way pay them no, is to have a regular
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and dependable production schedule. If you if you publish your podcast,
you know, whenever you have time, and that's it. And
so it may be that you push one out one
week and then the next week you have a second episode,
and then it maybe three or four weeks before you
have a third episode. It's very difficult to build an
audience that way. People will tend to um, to lose
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interest and start to leave. So it's good to set
up a schedule of publication and stick to it as
best you can. And part of that um that can
be really challenging if you just you know, some weeks
you just don't have the time to to do recording, right,
I mean, and have or you're sick with the swine flu.
So what what what what we do is Chris and
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I will sit down. We record two podcasts at a time,
sometimes three uh in one recording session. Uh. And then
we do enough of these so that we've built up
a backlog of episodes so we can when when we
started publishing, we had actually recorded and I don't know,
maybe six or seven episodes it's total before the first
one ever was released. I think there may have been
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more of that. More than that. It could have been
as may as like ten or twelve. Yeah, so they
plus they wanted to evaluate them. We wanted to um.
They had other people listening to them too to see
what they thought. And you know, so, you know, because
it was a thing we were lucky they didn't have
to They didn't want us to change too much. I mean,
they gave us the go ahead to make them longer,
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and that was about it. But the yeah, you know,
if you if you record them ahead of time, if
you do, if you do several episodes so that you
have a backlog, then you don't have to worry so
much on those times where you know you just don't
have the time to to record, You've got episodes to
fall back on, and you can keep publishing them even
if you had to take a break on recording now. Granted,
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of course that's only gonna work for so long. You can't,
you can't. We found that out. Yeah, Yeah, we've we've
ran Yeah, we ran out of the backlog a couple
of times and then had to go into some intense
recording sessions to build it back up. Um, we're currently
I guess maybe a week and a half ahead something
like that. So um, at any rate, the the best
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advice there is just make sure you've got a few
episodes recorded, uh, and and publish them, like I said,
on a regular basis, whether that's once a week or
every day. I mean, if you're doing a daily podcast,
you're probably recording every day. Anyway, that might be a
little bit different. That's challenging. Our episode is not necessarily timely.
We aren't always tackling something that's in the news, although
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we have done that before because and we do a
little of that on Tech Stuff live. Yeah, we've got
a live streaming show that we handle most of the
timely stuff. We don't. We don't worry about that so
much in this podcast, although we have, like I said,
tackled some some fairly timely topics. So if you're if
you're not handling, if you're not talking about something that
is time sensitive, then you have the luxury of being
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able to record as many as you like before you
start going live. Um, if it is something that's time since,
of course that does change things. If you're doing something
where you're you're discussing, say a show, a television show,
and you want the episode to go up live the
day after the television show airs, you don't have that
kind of flexibility. So, I mean, it all will depend
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on your situation. But I do think that if you can,
if you can establish that reliable publication schedule, you will
build an audience much faster than otherwise. Yeah, just just
as a comment, I sort of envy stuff you missed
in history class, because um, you know that's history for us.
We have actually recorded stuff and have it, have had
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it go out of date before it actually goes live
because we're doing and then you know, we go oh
yeah yeah. Nothing like saying something like you know, Android
phone is never going to go to any other carrier,
It's just gonna stay on Team Mobile and then the
next week like, well it's on Sprint. Well all right,
well you know that, ha ha. We'll just have people.
Oh it's on Verizon now we've some of them. We've
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had to uh have our engineers re edit a couple
of the podcasts, like go back into the studio for
five minutes and sort of for cord a patch to
uh rip out the older Actually, you may have actually
noticed a couple of ye, because there's some of those
this just in. Yeah, we've done a PostScript where you
could tell that we had to go in afterward. Uh.
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Sometimes our our editors are just very good at at
cutting out the offending bit and inserting a new bit
and you can't even tell thank you, Lizzie, Thank you Lizzie.
Um so, do we have any other tips that we
want to give, like any other like just general tips
about podcasting. Um, I just want to reiterate, don't get
hung up on the whole podcasting biz thing, because you
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can honestly do this with a computer and a microphone.
Just make an MP three of your yourself talking and
making a podcast. Yeah, it's not it's not rocket surgery.
I can't yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine what
it would be like to do this on my own,
you know, I think it to be harder I mean,
we have people who record this for us, we have
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people who edit the podcast, where you have people that
publish them two iTunes for us, which is for which
we're all extremely grateful. Uh speaking for everyone there, well,
even I'm pretty sure, I mean even just thinking about
doing it, like without a co host. I then when
it's just you and a microphone, that changes the dynamic
quite a bit. I would plan. Yeah, I don't know
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if he meant that he was gonna ditch me or
that he was going to uh you know, he wanted
to take the show over himself. Yeah, I was. I
was totally gonna start a new podcast called Stuff on
my Desk, And because that never changes, I don't need
to worry about it, like seven episodes and then just
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rerun them. Yeah, exactly. It's sort of a mini series.
Those are our our tips and just you know, general
information of what we do. Uh, if you you're curious
about our our process. We pick our topics usually the
week before we record, and then the day of the
recording is when I've end up doing research. Despite the
fact of having an entire week to have looked into it. Um,
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but we've researched the topics independently, we come together, we
have our conversation, and then we sit there and notice
that we've been recording for like thirty minutes and then
realize that we need to stop and the timer is off. Well,
that's because my phone started vibrating because of the Yeah
there's there's a kid. Leave your phone out of the studio. Okay,
I have my phone set on airplane mode. It's just
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because the damn schedule thing went off. I'm not telling you.
I'm saying, don't forget to turn off that stuff. Actually, uh,
we're not. We're generally not supposed to have phones in
here because they actually cause interference with our equipment, and
including phones that are because our studio is actually in
the middle of the office, and people whose phones are
the people who sit just around there. It can the
equipment can actually pick them. Well, that's that's why I
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have it on airplane mode, so it doesn't I know,
it doesn't say I'm stops a tip, stop person cuting me.
I pop my p just then. All right, so let's
let's wrap this up with a little listener me. We
were talking about the old time so much, and I
just thought i'd go back to it. This comes from
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Miles and Miles says in your podcast about the different
types of keyboards, you mentioned how you wouldn't want to
switch to a divorate keyboard because of the major change
from the Quarty standard. This is an example of negative
transfer because you're so used to the quirty style. It
would actually be harder for you to learn how to
type on another type of keyboard than someone just learning
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how to type uh for the first time. I assume
I can't take all the credit for this knowledge. I
must give credit to my girlfriend who's studying human factors
and ergonomics in graduate school and has knowledge about such things. Anyway,
I wanted to say that I love the show. Keep
up the good jobs, sincerely, Miles. You know I've experienced
negative transfer a few times, like when I went to
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the University of Georgia. They and accept all my credits
and I had to take classes again, did I. But
it's a shame that they can't see the look I'm
giving you, right, Yeah, it's pretty much the look of disgusted.
Think think Thank you for the info, Miles. Thank your
girlfriend for us as well. We we have given her credit.
She should see that on the transcript. Next time. Yeah. Yeah,
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just look for that in the place where we never
put it. Yeah, if you would like to learn more
about podcasting, we actually have in the article on how
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hey there all alright, So today we're going to talk
about some podcasting tips. We actually get a lot of
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requests to do an episode about podcasting, and we keep
coming up with the reasons why we shouldn't do it today. Right,
we today, we decided to do it today. We're like,
you know what, We're gonna get this all the way.
You know why, because if we weren't doing our podcasting works,
you know what we would be doing cantennis or tech
conspiracy theories to other ones that we keep putting off. Actually,
(01:27):
just between you and us, we're not supposed to talk
about the tech conspiracy that's right. They don't want you
to know, So let's talk about podcasting instead. Um. Now,
we've had a lot of people ask us things, everything
ranging from what kind of equipment do we use? What
kind of software do we use? Uh, and just general
tips on podcasting. So people who want to get into podcasting,
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what should they do? What should they avoid doing? And uh,
A lot of the stuff that we have learned over
the course of our what year and a half of podcasting, Uh,
mainly we've learned through trial and error. Wow, a year
and a half. Yeah, sorry, yeah, it's pretty much been
a year and a half. And um yeah, and and
he's he's right. Actually, Um, we were one of the
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very first podcasts at how Stuff Works com and um
we followed stuff you should Know and stuff you missed
in history class. So we were the third one. Actually,
Marshall Brains Marshall Brain has been doing one for a while, right.
He was doing a podcast in a blog sort of
independently from the group for a long time. And then
and then we jumped on board. And um, actually when
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when I was the first Josh's first co host on stuff,
you should know, right, So you've been doing this longer
than just about anyone else besides Josh. Um. But it's
funny because we tried a bunch of different stuff. We've
actually had uh, we got We've gotten some comments over
the course of the last year and a half, like,
you know who writes this stuff, right, and the answer
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is nobody. We actually, Josh and I tried a little
bit writing some of this stuff out and that just
totally we tried to hasket with that and that totally
didn't work. The earliest tech stuffs we we outlined the
heck out of those early early shows. Um, all right,
so let's let's talk Let's talk about the genesis of
tech stuff in general, and then we'll talk about some
of the equipment we use, and then we'll give some
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podcasting tips. How about that? That sounds great? So, you know,
this is the sort of stuff that we used to
talk about before the show, and we would outline it
and we would go point by point. We don't do
that anymore, which is why we kind of go through
things in a haphazard way, although I do feel compelled
to point out that not all the podcasters here at
how stuff Works dot Com go by that theory. Now,
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in general, we do try to be conversational. I mean
that's there's nobody's I don't know if anybody that scripts
out what they're going to say when they come onto
the podcast. But um, I think everybody pretty much, you know,
just has a good rapport with his or her co
host and it's sort of okay, we're gonna talk about
these ten things, make sure we cover this or that.
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Jonathan and I are just sort of looser about it.
We don't we don't meet beforehand like some of the
other podcasters too. So yeah, everyone has their own style.
We'll get to we'll get to style in a little bit.
So let's do the history of tech stuff. So um
our editor in chief came to us conal Burne. He
came to us and said, guys, we want you to
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do a podcast about technology. Think you would blow it
out of the park. You'll be super rock stars, uh,
that kind of thing. And I looked around and said,
I'm sorry, what are you talking right? And I was like,
let me go. I want to do it, let's do
it now. And uh so we were told at that
time that we were trying you know, this, this was
brand new for us. It was not something that how
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Stuff works dot com had been doing before besides Marshall's
podcasts and the the this is before even Stuff you
Should Know had started to publish. This is uh just
before it started to publish. So at that time, since
we were all kind of new to this, we decided
to put some limitations and some parameters up to kind
of give us a framework so that we wouldn't just
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flail around the way we do now. Um speak for yourself,
I flail pretty handily, thank you man. Okay, So the
very the very first rules were that the episodes had
to be around five minutes in length, and they were
supposed to relate back to a specific article on the site. Wow,
that just makes me want to laugh. Yeah, we don't
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do that anymore. We don't. We don't do either of
those things anymore now. Now other podcasts they do, they'll
they'll still cover specific articles, which is fine. We just
that we don't have to do We're no longer required
to do that, but we can do that if we
want to. And we've done a couple of episodes where
we've talked about specific articles, but fortunately we're no longer uh,
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restricted to just that. So back then, we discovered very
quickly that it was hard to get into a topic
and cover it in five minutes. Most of our episodes
were pushing seven or eight minutes easily because by the
time we were telling me the introducts, we had about
two and a half minutes left to explain whatever it
was we were talking about. But we also got feedback
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from our listeners that and the most of the feedback said,
you know, I like the podcast, but it needs to
be longer because you're not really getting into the topic.
So with that, we extended the time to about ten minutes, right,
we went from five to ten, And so if you
look at those early Tech Stuff episodes, you'll see the
first few or five minutes long, and then the next
group is about ten minutes, and after that kind of
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explodes because we were told one day we came in
and that was when Jerry was producing our show, uh,
and she told us one day like, oh, don't worry
about the time, just don't go over you know, twenty
five minutes. That's probably that's probably about the upper length
of what we want to hit. But other than that,
you know, go as long as you need to go
to explain the topic. And that's when our episodes really
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started to change. At the same time that we had
the five and ten minute rule, we were outlining our
episodes pretty heavily. Yeah, because we had to make sure
we hit that time limit. We couldn't go over it,
so we wanted to make sure we knew what we
needed to hit. We couldn't just talk our way through it. Yeah.
And we also when we had that was very helpful
when we had specific ideas that we wanted to hit
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in the podcast, to which um uh, we don't always
get to in some cases. I've gone back and looked
at my notes on a couple of podcasts and gone, oh, man,
I didn't talk about that. Yeah, it's happened to me too,
So you know that it can be useful to have
an outline, especially if you want to do that. But
then again, uh, most of the time when we do that,
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it's because we get so excited about whatever it is
that we're talking about, and then we have so much
we want to say about it that we just keep
going yeah. So once those uh once once beforemat changed.
We we started to change our own methods and we
we began to realize that well, not yeah, sometimes so
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we went to the German opera range um, but no.
The we began to realize that the more we would
a pair together for a show that we were about
to do, the less conversational it was, and the more
like a lectur e it sounded. You know, it didn't
sound like we have two guys trying to explain and
talk about a a topic and give it context. It
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sounded like the prerecorded notes for some sort of you know,
technology lecture. And so we started to do our own
studying at that point, and then we would just meet
for the podcast and we need to have our own notes.
We would sometimes share links if we saw saw something
that was really useful, so that the other person would
also have access to it and not just you know,
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come out of nowhere and um. But then we would
just we sit down at the microphones and hit record,
and then we would torture whoever it was that was
producing our show at the time with horrible puns as
we talked about whatever the topic was. Yes, that's a
that's a helpful tip that I would give you if
you're considering doing your own podcast, make sure to use
plenty of puns. Yeah, because lord knows everyone loves puns.
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Josh and Chuck are incredibly fond of puns. Yes, they
like puns the way I like pie. You must hate
pie a lot more than I thought you did. So
let's talk a little bit about the equipment and software
that we use. All right, So what do you want
to start with? Microphones? Yeah, we'll talk about the mic
So we were asking our producers about the microphones. Because
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you may find this hard to believe, but even though
we are the tech writer and editor of how Stuff
Wars dot com, we do not have a database filled
with every single piece of equipment that is in our office. Yeah.
That's that's true, and uh, you know, sort of bridging
the gap between this history of tech stuff and the equipment.
UM there are. One of the nice things about us
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getting into podcasting in the first place was we already
had a studio available to us because there were other
projects that we used a lot of this equipment for.
We already had um, you know, high end video equipment,
UM and audio equipment, and people who knew how to
use it. Um, So you know, you don't necessarily this
is not necessarily set up. You know, we already had
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some of this stuff. Yeah, we repurposed a lot of
stuff that we had for other projects, specifically for podcasting. Um.
We are not saying that you need to go out
and purchase similar equipment because for one thing, it's probably
out of a lot of people's price range. Um range. Yeah,
it's definitely on the mind if I were to do
this on my own. But this is people have asked
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us what we used, so I thought we would go
ahead and explain. So for our microphones, we use a
kg S and they are C two thousand B microphones.
We were told by Mr Matt Frederick that they are
not omnidirectional, despite the fact that they totally look like
omnidirectional microphones. But they're not. They're directional. They just have
a wide angle or a wide cone that you can
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speak into, which is a good thing because occasionally, well
you know, lounge in a weird way and just talk
toward the microphone and it still seems to pick us
up pretty well. Yeah, we also have a nice pop
filter in front of itself. Yes, we do. Use pop
filters because we don't want to pop our peas. Yeah.
We also have as our pre amp UM. You don't
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necessarily have to have a pre amp if you've got
a microphone. The plugs directly into say a USB port,
but we aren't using that. We're using a pre amp,
the the Applied Research and Technology pre amp UM, and
we have one of those per input. We have got
three of the pre amps because we do have three inputs,
although we have not actually used the third one yet.
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UM Stuff you should know has used it for their
healthcare series. They had Molly in and she got to
she set in and joined Josh and Chuckers as we
like to call him for sometimes listeners like to call
me Chuckers when they forget that my name is Jonathan. Um, well,
you know Jonathan sounds like Chuck. Yeah, we haven't figured out,
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by the way, which one of us should be more offended,
Chuck should be more offended, or if I should. Neither
of us are really offended, because you know, Chuck's a
cool guy and and I'm not on his radar. So
um now, as for as for the software we use,
we're using uh final cut right, Yeah, so that's the
that's the audio software we're using. We record with Soundtrack,
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which is part of that suite, and then um for
all of our sound effects whenever we do soundscaping, Liz
pulls that from the suite as well. Yeah, we're we
are using a Macintosh computer to do this, but you
there are software programs for Windows and Linux both that
can can do the same kinds of things. And and
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Matt Frederick also wanted to me to point out that
his favorite piece of equipment that we have, We're not
using it right now, but his favorite piece of equipment
is called the Blue Icicle, and you can plug an
xcel Our microphone into this. It converts it to USB
and it actually has a volume control on the device itself,
so you can help control that the levels before it
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ever reaches your computer. Yeah. Yeah, then the name of
the company is Blue and it is the article. So
but he he wanted specifically for us to point that out.
So that's that's our setup. But here's the thing. Now,
we're gonna get into some podcasting tips. And one of
the tips I would give people is don't sweat the
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the equipment and software that much. Yes, that's not necessarily
that that that should not be your number one concern,
because if you're concerned with having the most technologically advanced
equipment and the most the software with the most features,
you might have a podcast that sounds really good, but
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that that's not enough for listeners to tune into you
week after week. Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, as
long as you have a quiet room, um, you know,
something preferably without hard floors and some where you're not
gonna be Yeah, I mean you might. You might even
try out a couple of different settings, especially if you
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have a laptop computer and something that you know, something
that simply plugs into your your machine should be fairly
easy for you to test a couple of different environments
and see what sounds good to you. You can, I
would suggest testing up several different kinds of microphones. Maybe,
like there's some headsets that actually aren't that bad. They
actually provide a very decent sound. Um. At home, I
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use a snowball mic which works really well for me.
It's a nomnidirectional mic and it actually I like it
a lot. But I use that with my mac um
and then a lot of you know, I would probably
recommend against using a a native microphone on a computer.
I mean, some of them can pick up sound pretty well,
but most of them you're not going to get the
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best sound quality out of those. And that's one thing
I would say is getting an independent microphone is probably
a good purchase, a good investment. I I think that, Uh,
that's sort of a very basic necessity unfortunately, but you
don't have to to fork over, you know, hundreds of
dollars to to do that. In fact, you can even
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get a good XLR for less than hundred dollars really
or maybe just over right. You would just need to
have the equipment to plug it into exactly, so perhaps
a nicicle or or a pre app or uh, you know,
in an expensive board. It depends on how many inputs
you're gonna want to use, too, because if you are,
if you're gonna want to have, say, get your your
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friends together and do a podcast with a bunch of people,
you're gonna need something to handle the different channels, assuming
you're not all going to speak into one mic. Uh,
you could be a little cozy quarters there. So let's
talk a little bit about some other stuff like uh,
post production. I just said right there, that was yes,
I heard the now. Some podcasters would want to go
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in and take out all the uz um pauses things
like that in order to make a podcast sound more
smooth and professional. That would be really time consuming. It
takes so much time that that can take. Okay, you
imagine a thirty minute long podcast and then you and
now you're going to interruptions you're gonna take keep doing.
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It will take you hours to get the sounds of
Plette screaming out of your podcast because you're strangling him repeatedly.
So concerning yourself with this, I think taking out really
really bad stuff, like stuff where it just it brings
the recording to us halt. That's fine, But I wouldn't
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worry about any of the small things because it gives
your your podcast little character. People really talk like that.
It's not something to be ashamed of. Unless you're like
some sort of professional voice over actor or radio personality.
You probably haven't trained yourself to take that that stuff
out of your speech. I haven't, and I'm doing this
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as part of my job. So that's all well and good. However,
you know, um yeah, I think one of the problems
with that is, I mean, you sort of have to
think about what you're gonna do here. But I think
that also makes it sound really flat. Yeah. I mean,
if you were, you know, reading off a script, you
don't have any ums or us it just it comes
off as really really flat. Yeah, it doesn't. It's not
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very inviting to the listener necessarily. Uh So let's talk
a little bit more about some other tips. The one
of the big tips I would I would give anyone
who's getting into podcast is really, what's the purpose of
your podcast? Define that figure out why you want you know,
why do you want a podcast? What is it that
you want to say? Is there a specific topic or
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uh category of information that you really want to talk about.
Is there a specific game that you want to do
a podcast about, or a specific television show or genre? Um,
don't you know? Doing a podcast about practically anything sounds
like it's very liberating, but it actually ends up being
really frustrating and difficult to to pull off well. It
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also is hard to get an audience because someone may
have a real interest in one topic, but your next
topic doesn't interest them at all because it's not at
all related to the first one. It's hard to build
an audience that way. And one thing you can consider too,
is um limiting yourself more at the beginning, because you
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can you can always change. You think back to the
early days of tech stuff. We had to uh, we
had to talk about a specific article. So we would
look on the site for something that we wanted to
talk about and then okay, we got a topic, a
specific topic, and we you know, would riff on that
for five or ten minutes. Well, now, um, one of
the things that Jonathan and I and I like to
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try to do, I mean, other than answering listener meals.
That's kind of been where we've been the last few weeks.
But um, you know, we've want to try to come
up with something that's not on the website. But you know,
we still are working within the confines of computers and electronics. Um.
But you know, it did give us a platform from
which to start, because we already had something to talk about.
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I mean, you could say, well, I want to talk
about everything, but maybe start with something you know, well,
like video games. And then maybe you say, well, I
like talking about video games, but what if I want
to talk about board games too, so you could have
a games podcast or even like you yeah, exactly, I've
been talking about role playing games. Now, maybe I should
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talk about this fantasy movie that I really like, and
that that'd be fine too. I mean, having it grow
organically is probably a good tip as well, you know,
don't You don't necessarily have to force it into any
kind of um any specific model. Another thing I would
recommend an easy way to build an audience, a good
dependable way pay them no, is to have a regular
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and dependable production schedule. If you if you publish your podcast,
you know, whenever you have time, and that's it. And
so it may be that you push one out one
week and then the next week you have a second episode,
and then it maybe three or four weeks before you
have a third episode. It's very difficult to build an
audience that way. People will tend to um, to lose
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interest and start to leave. So it's good to set
up a schedule of publication and stick to it as
best you can. And part of that um that can
be really challenging if you just you know, some weeks
you just don't have the time to to do recording, right,
I mean, and have or you're sick with the swine flu.
So what what what what we do is Chris and
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I will sit down. We record two podcasts at a time,
sometimes three uh in one recording session. Uh. And then
we do enough of these so that we've built up
a backlog of episodes so we can when when we
started publishing, we had actually recorded and I don't know,
maybe six or seven episodes it's total before the first
one ever was released. I think there may have been
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more of that. More than that. It could have been
as may as like ten or twelve. Yeah, so they
plus they wanted to evaluate them. We wanted to um.
They had other people listening to them too to see
what they thought. And you know, so, you know, because
it was a thing we were lucky they didn't have
to They didn't want us to change too much. I mean,
they gave us the go ahead to make them longer,
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and that was about it. But the yeah, you know,
if you if you record them ahead of time, if
you do, if you do several episodes so that you
have a backlog, then you don't have to worry so
much on those times where you know you just don't
have the time to to record, You've got episodes to
fall back on, and you can keep publishing them even
if you had to take a break on recording now. Granted,
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of course that's only gonna work for so long. You can't,
you can't. We found that out. Yeah, Yeah, we've we've
ran Yeah, we ran out of the backlog a couple
of times and then had to go into some intense
recording sessions to build it back up. Um, we're currently
I guess maybe a week and a half ahead something
like that. So um, at any rate, the the best
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advice there is just make sure you've got a few
episodes recorded, uh, and and publish them, like I said,
on a regular basis, whether that's once a week or
every day. I mean, if you're doing a daily podcast,
you're probably recording every day. Anyway, that might be a
little bit different. That's challenging. Our episode is not necessarily timely.
We aren't always tackling something that's in the news, although
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we have done that before because and we do a
little of that on Tech Stuff live. Yeah, we've got
a live streaming show that we handle most of the
timely stuff. We don't. We don't worry about that so
much in this podcast, although we have, like I said,
tackled some some fairly timely topics. So if you're if
you're not handling, if you're not talking about something that
is time sensitive, then you have the luxury of being
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able to record as many as you like before you
start going live. Um, if it is something that's time since,
of course that does change things. If you're doing something
where you're you're discussing, say a show, a television show,
and you want the episode to go up live the
day after the television show airs, you don't have that
kind of flexibility. So, I mean, it all will depend
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on your situation. But I do think that if you can,
if you can establish that reliable publication schedule, you will
build an audience much faster than otherwise. Yeah, just just
as a comment, I sort of envy stuff you missed
in history class, because um, you know that's history for us.
We have actually recorded stuff and have it, have had
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it go out of date before it actually goes live
because we're doing and then you know, we go oh
yeah yeah. Nothing like saying something like you know, Android
phone is never going to go to any other carrier,
It's just gonna stay on Team Mobile and then the
next week like, well it's on Sprint. Well all right,
well you know that, ha ha. We'll just have people.
Oh it's on Verizon now we've some of them. We've
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had to uh have our engineers re edit a couple
of the podcasts, like go back into the studio for
five minutes and sort of for cord a patch to
uh rip out the older Actually, you may have actually
noticed a couple of ye, because there's some of those
this just in. Yeah, we've done a PostScript where you
could tell that we had to go in afterward. Uh.
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Sometimes our our editors are just very good at at
cutting out the offending bit and inserting a new bit
and you can't even tell thank you, Lizzie, Thank you Lizzie.
Um so, do we have any other tips that we
want to give, like any other like just general tips
about podcasting. Um, I just want to reiterate, don't get
hung up on the whole podcasting biz thing, because you
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can honestly do this with a computer and a microphone.
Just make an MP three of your yourself talking and
making a podcast. Yeah, it's not it's not rocket surgery.
I can't yeah, I can't imagine. I can't imagine what
it would be like to do this on my own,
you know, I think it to be harder I mean,
we have people who record this for us, we have
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people who edit the podcast, where you have people that
publish them two iTunes for us, which is for which
we're all extremely grateful. Uh speaking for everyone there, well,
even I'm pretty sure, I mean even just thinking about
doing it, like without a co host. I then when
it's just you and a microphone, that changes the dynamic
quite a bit. I would plan. Yeah, I don't know
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if he meant that he was gonna ditch me or
that he was going to uh you know, he wanted
to take the show over himself. Yeah, I was. I
was totally gonna start a new podcast called Stuff on
my Desk, And because that never changes, I don't need
to worry about it, like seven episodes and then just
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rerun them. Yeah, exactly. It's sort of a mini series.
Those are our our tips and just you know, general
information of what we do. Uh, if you you're curious
about our our process. We pick our topics usually the
week before we record, and then the day of the
recording is when I've end up doing research. Despite the
fact of having an entire week to have looked into it. Um,
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but we've researched the topics independently, we come together, we
have our conversation, and then we sit there and notice
that we've been recording for like thirty minutes and then
realize that we need to stop and the timer is off. Well,
that's because my phone started vibrating because of the Yeah
there's there's a kid. Leave your phone out of the studio. Okay,
I have my phone set on airplane mode. It's just
(26:32):
because the damn schedule thing went off. I'm not telling you.
I'm saying, don't forget to turn off that stuff. Actually, uh,
we're not. We're generally not supposed to have phones in
here because they actually cause interference with our equipment, and
including phones that are because our studio is actually in
the middle of the office, and people whose phones are
the people who sit just around there. It can the
equipment can actually pick them. Well, that's that's why I
(26:54):
have it on airplane mode, so it doesn't I know,
it doesn't say I'm stops a tip, stop person cuting me.
I pop my p just then. All right, so let's
let's wrap this up with a little listener me. We
were talking about the old time so much, and I
just thought i'd go back to it. This comes from
(27:16):
Miles and Miles says in your podcast about the different
types of keyboards, you mentioned how you wouldn't want to
switch to a divorate keyboard because of the major change
from the Quarty standard. This is an example of negative
transfer because you're so used to the quirty style. It
would actually be harder for you to learn how to
type on another type of keyboard than someone just learning
(27:36):
how to type uh for the first time. I assume
I can't take all the credit for this knowledge. I
must give credit to my girlfriend who's studying human factors
and ergonomics in graduate school and has knowledge about such things. Anyway,
I wanted to say that I love the show. Keep
up the good jobs, sincerely, Miles. You know I've experienced
negative transfer a few times, like when I went to
(27:58):
the University of Georgia. They and accept all my credits
and I had to take classes again, did I. But
it's a shame that they can't see the look I'm
giving you, right, Yeah, it's pretty much the look of disgusted.
Think think Thank you for the info, Miles. Thank your
girlfriend for us as well. We we have given her credit.
She should see that on the transcript. Next time. Yeah. Yeah,
(28:21):
just look for that in the place where we never
put it. Yeah, if you would like to learn more
about podcasting, we actually have in the article on how
stuff works dot com about podcasting. And of course we
have tons of amazing podcasts available. I know that we're
the best, but we also have some other good ones.
There's stuff you should know, stuff in this and history class,
stuff from the b sides, high speed stuff, stuff of genius.
(28:44):
Uh was the stuff on her coolest stuff on her?
If that's the one that I was about to forget?
Um and more so check them out. They're great. They're
great podcast If you ever want to kind of listen
to the different styles, you'll hear how not everyone prepared
as for their podcasts the same way. You can actually
kind of pick that up by listening. And uh, if
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