March 4, 2026 • 52 mins
This week, we’re bringing you an episode from the podcast No Such Thing. Join Manny, Noah, and Devan — three best friends and journalists — as they settle dumb arguments by actually doing the research.
Each week, they start with a debate or discussion. In this episode, they ask: what’s up with Tesla door handles? And why do microwaves have so many buttons? And why are couches so expensive, but so uncomfortable? They’re joined by experts to answer these questions, including friend of the pod, Dexter Thomas, host of kill switch.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hils Valoscian. Here today on tech Stuff, we want to
share an episode of another kaleidoscope podcast, No Such Thing.
No Such Thing is hosted by Manny, Noah and Devon,
three best friends and journalists who, in their words quote,
settle their dumb arguments by actually doing research. They've asked
questions like will Ai take our jobs? Is dating a
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chatbot cheating? And our weather apps getting worse. The episode
We've got for You Today asked the question which is
close to my heart, why do Tesla door handles suck?
And No such Thing. Guys aren't the only ones with
a strong opinion about the door handles. In fact, just
over a month ago, China banned hidden door handles because
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of the safety risks. In this episode, the hosts also
try to figure out why microwaves come with so many
unnecessary buttons and why couches have diminished in quality over
the years. And you'll hear a familiar voice friend of
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no such.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Thing him many.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm Noah, and this is devn and this is no
such thing. The show where we sat are our dumb
arguments and yours by actually doing the research. On today's episode,
why does everything suck?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No, No, there's no such thing, no such thing. Touch
thank touch, thank touch thank.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is
not a week.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take
you a week. You break it up. Uh, this is.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Gonna be mostly me complaining about things in my life
that I hate the design of. So we're gonna be
talking about Tesla door handles, we're gonna be talking about microwaves,
and we're gonna be talking about couches.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So let's get right into it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's one am. You know you're at a bar. It's
a little too late. You don't want to take the
subway home. Pull up the Uber and left app. You're
comparing prices. You call a car Uber is a little
bit cheaper, and look what you got. I got damn Tesla.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Helping the environment.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Helping the environment. Sure, but why the funk is it
so hard to open the door and the dance Tesla?
I don't know how to open this.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
I'm poor.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know how to open that.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I want to open the door.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
You gotta grab.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
Try it again, try it again.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna
be neutral on Elon Musk.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I love that, Okay, I love this.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The bumper stickers people getting.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Oh yeah, I got this before you up?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Where do they buy those? Even? It's like, what the hell?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Anyway? On So he's a genius. This guy's great. What
have you ever done?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And I will say this, you know, before I talk
all this shit about Tesla's I'm not a car guy
at all, you know, but people love to be like,
what what car?
Speaker 7 (04:13):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If you could get your dream car, what would you get?
So for a while there I was like, I don't know,
Tesla's look kind of cool. That would be kind of
cool to have a Tesla. But then do y'all remember
when Tesla started being on like Uber and Lyft and
I would. When I would see it, I'm like, oh, cool,
it's a Tesla. But then you get inside, I'm like, oh,
these are not like the inside of Tesla's are not
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that nice, like they like you think of other luxury
vehicles like Mercedes.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, you get in, it's like comfortable, there's like you know, cupholder.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It's like it just feels like more complete.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I would get in these Teslas and outside of
the screen showing like the street, I was like, this
feels kind of like a budget car. Like it's not
comfortable right, Like it's maybe the ride is a little
bit smoother, but obviously the biggest issue is like what
are we doing.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
With the damn door handles? Yeah, the get in is
one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push
it in a certain way to like for it to
come out, so you could pull it so that you
can open up the door. It's a little bit awkward,
like your finger gets a little bit of pinch, not
much the grass, No, once you even get it.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Out, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is it a like I always wonder is it a
two hand operation where like you push one side, the
other side pops in and then you rab it with
that side.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But like every why do that, you know, every other door.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's one one thing we don't really complain about with
cars anymore, so how to open them. You know, no
one was like we figured that out. Yeah, it's like
that one was like it's so hard to open a
car door. It's like, we got it. You know, like
the handles pity ergonomic, you know, you kind of do it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
It's pretty natural, opens up pretty easily.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The weird thing is because like I remember hearing you know,
Tesla super fans being like the point is that the
car handle is hidden. It's like flush now. But but
like so many cars do that like in a way
where like it's it looks invisible, but you can get
under the handle and then pull it out, so it
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doesn't feel like a good excuse.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's
even worse is once you're in the car. I still
to this day have not figured it out, and you're
trying to get out, you gotta press the button. Every
time I do it, I'm putting the window.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Or like locking the cart to press.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
The button to like get out or something.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And I still don't quite understand how to do it,
because every time I'm doing it, I'm putting the window
down a little bit like you're saying it's locking unlocking,
and I'm like, how do I just open the door?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early
two thousands, once cars were fine, like the ubiquity of
cars were electric in the windows and the door locks.
We've been trained to look at a button that shows
a car door and press that to lock the car
lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like
kind of self explanatory, but like that's just what we
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think where we think we were locking it. So when
I see the button in the Tesla, okay for a
handle or something.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And every time, you know, it's when I get in there,
I get kind of dory brain where I'm like, Okay,
what did I do last time? I don't remember because
I'm like whatever I did last time was wrong. Whatever
I need to do now is what I didn't do
last time, And every time I do it, I do
the wrong thing. And it's just like, why, what is
the purpose there? There must be some sort of purpose
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to this. There must be a reason that he is
redesigned the car door handle, right, They're like They're not
just doing it to fuck with us. Any theories as
to why the outside makes sense to something like you're saying,
it could be flush, a little bit more aerodynamic, you know,
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nothing sticking out? Okay, yeah, why are inside? Why on
the inside? What is going on in the inside. I
would imagine if this was my car, Yeah, imagine by now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I wouldn't understand how to use it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But especially like you were saying at one a m.
Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I
cannot put I'm half asleep.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure
out how to open my door, like I'm a three
year old and.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
The driver's like yelling yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I like in some some of them they put instructions.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You ever see They're like, here's how you open the
door and study this and I'm like, okay, we as
adults can't figure this out.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's too complicated.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's not something I should have to think about when
I'm getting into or out of a car. All right,
So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to
the bottom of so number two on the things that
I don't like microwaves. All right, I got a new microwave.
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About six months ago, my old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh,
so I just got like, okay, this is like a
reasonably priced microwave that will fit in this slot, because
that was the big thing I was concerned about, is
just like the sizing of it. So I got this
new microwave, and for the most part, it's fine. I'm
someone who relies heavily on just add thirty seconds a
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button for most most of the stuff I'm putting in there,
and just do add thirty seconds.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah, But over.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The last week or two I've been trying to be
a little bit more prescriptive with the microwave.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, like, for example, I was melting some butter. I
was having some seafood thing. I was like, okay, I'm
gonna melt some butter for this. I was like, okay,
there's a soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain.
So I clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, Okay, as
that game. Maybe I clicked that and then hit another.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft mount
then one. Then it's like there's an S two on
the on the microwaves. What the hell does that mean?
So I'm like, all right, I just hit start, nothing happens.
So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it
all out, yeah, just make it. Just add thirty seconds
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and keep an eye on it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah yeah, it's just butter.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button.
There's other things on there there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's like potato button. Yeah, yeah, like the frosty steaks
yhoa yep.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And I feel like anytime I try to do anything
outside of plus thirty seconds, I'm like, I gotta rd
a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like, what's
the point of the button If it's not simple? Right,
If you have a button, I should be able to
press it and then just do the thing.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, it's like the the Kevin Garnett and uncut jams.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Why the fuck would you show me something if I
couldn't have it? Then what you're bringing this out?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a
positive microwave experience?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
I try not to on my MAHA stuff, I try
to avoid the microwave oh less.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Honestly, growing up, my parents always had us cover the
things in the markets. Yes, I guess for health safety.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I don't know, to keep it from splashing all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh no, ours was like a health thing. I don't
know health of what. It's just like warming it up
without exposing it to the other things in there. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Okay, what are you covering it with? Like another plate
you had?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh okay, another plate or sometimes microwaves come with the yeah,
the plastic cover.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I remember we did have a microwave cover thing.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, that was more class. It would heat up
well yeah and stop stop.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I could be wrong, but I think it was more
like we don't want to have it in their raw
to the microwaves that you're heating. We don't want that
for a comedy.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
We don't want the microwaves to do what they're.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Don't want all that just like halfway, we just like
to spinning in there, don't be We don't whether microwaves
touching it gross.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But yeah, I just feel like, you know, back to
you know, the whole reason is Devin designed week. Yeah,
I just feel like, why haven't we designed a more
intuitive microwave?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
If I need to rid a manual to understand how
to use it. Then it just shouldn't be it. It shouldn't
be a button. And then my third scenario here right,
this one is I've been thinking about for a long time.
Like I've been in New York, gone on ten years.
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Right before I moved to New York, I moved with
two other my good friends. We stopped at some furniture
thrift store in Jersey on the way to like moving.
We got like, okay, we got to make an Ikea
run and we got to stop in one of these
furnisure stores and get a get a couch. So the
couch we got was used. It's kind of like old school,
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got a kind of like a floral print. But we're like,
this couch is so comfortable, and it was cheap. It
was like two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Wow. And so I've had that couch ever since.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And I would say this, this, my couch is the
one of the most comfortable couches I've ever sad on.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Okay, but it's had, you know, it's had its it's
fair share of wear in terms of like I've had,
you know, multiple pets now on this couch.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Ten years of people sitting on it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know things have spilled, you know, the threads are
coming a bit unlose. It was used at the time.
So this couch is probably twenty years old, if not that.
But the structure of it, you know, this is an
old school couch or the structure of it is solid. Right,
you sit on it, It's comfortable, it's not falling apart.
It's not like those I Kia couches where like if
somebody sitting on one side, you're tilted over.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
But it's about time for a new couch to come
to my life. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I've been looking around, I would say for the
last five years, it may be longer than that. I've
been thinking about getting a new couch. I've been going
to places, I've been sitting on couches. I've been looking online.
We are at a point in this country. I don't
know if this is true across the world. Well, we
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have lost our way with couches. Wow, And I'm telling
you why. We got basically two versions of couches nowadays. Right,
we either have a couch that looks beautiful, beautifully designed
like aesthetically if no one was sitting on it. Wow,
take a picture, lovely right, And then we have couches
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that are comfortable. Not good to look at. My couch
not much to look at. But you sit on that thing,
you don't want to get up. You're comfortable, like you know,
you sit in it. You could just you could fall
asleep in it. Your bus not hurding after they're sending
it for twenty you know your back's not hurting. And
no one has figured out a way to do both
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of these things at a reasonable price.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That is, I agree with you there.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Couches are expenses, thousands and thousands of dollars for couches.
So let me ask you to how do you feel
about your current couches? Where did you get them?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So we got our couch. It's a Hay couch heard
of hey the company. Yes, nice, but we got to
use so it wasn't as expensive.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
They're not cheap though, Hay couches are not cheap.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think we damn.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think it's fifteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
More than one.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
But the guys who had it previously were giving it
on a huge discount, and they hadn't used it that much.
They hadn't used it two months or something. They hadn't
leave the city for some for whatever reason, you got
to get so we got a really good deal on it.
Looks great, It looks great. How comfortable is it. I've
only sat on it, y'all usually said it's really comfortable.
I fall right sleep on this thame the thing, the
thing that makes it so comfortable is the depth. It's
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so deep in uh in the you know. The material
is good.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
So your Hay one you're happy with.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We're happy with it. But it's too big to fit
in that living room.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
See this is another issue which I did not even
mention living in New York. It's size. So I don't
have that big of an apartment. So I need a couch.
And like you said, I want to couch with a
little bit of debt in the seat.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't want to be sitting on my couch and
half my leg is off the couch. I want to
be able to sit in it. But it also can't
have a huge footprint, right that. I have a small apartment,
so it needs to I need to have a lot
of room from my ass and everything else is pretty
you know, tight to the couch. And that's that's another issue.
So your Hay couch like you're saying, good seat, but
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it's kind of big. No, it's your couch story.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm trying to think we bought a couch. I think
maybe west mm hm, maybe two years ago. Now it's
it's comfy, it's it's big, and it's got like the
extra little section okay, little chase, Yeah yeah, so yeah,
this is like, okay, we're actually gonna got a nice
I had like a wayfair cheap little thing before. It's like,
all right, we're gonna get a nice upgrade. This is
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something like we can move with us and like.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Take care of how you feeling about two years later.
I like it.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
It's it's comfy, it's it's got a good depth, and
like I could lay down and sleep on this and
be pretty like definitely once while I'm there at three
o'clock just relaxing. Yeah, you got some music on. I'm
happy with it. I don't think it'll be my couch
for my entire life.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
But see, but that's the way it used to be
used to be.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You buy a couch, my couch, and that's your couch
until your kids, you know, are grown. But now I
feel like we get couches. You had this couch two years,
you're already thinking about moving on from it. You know
you're talking about it. I'm not gonna have my rest
of my life. Yeah, we used to have good couches.
And the other thing is the couch is the build
nowadays suck So many of those couches. I see because
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I'll see someone post a couch and I'll look up, Okay,
this Western specific couch, someone who's had it for three
four years, and they're like, oh, I love the couch
when I first got it. Now it's singing in. This
thing's falling apart, like the structures are in as good.
And then the other issue you have is that if
you want to get a couch, I know it's not
as bad as it was during COVID, but you gotta
wait a while. Also, how am I expected to buy
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a couch online that I've never sat in? Yeah, this
is crazy anymore these places. If you're an online couch place,
you gotta have a showroom. I gotta sit my ass on.
I'm not buying a couch. I'm not sitting on all Right,
we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,
we're gonna hear about why some people are calling Tesla's
door handles deadly. We're gonna hear about the Steve Jobs microwave,
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and last but not least, we're gonna figure out what
you should do if you're looking to buy a new couch.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Which is a podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Okay, you know time Time is a constructs Yeah, before
the break, and we were complaining about three things got
Tesla door handles micro waves in modern day couches. So
I tracked down some experts to help us get to
the bottom of all of my design qualms. So first up,
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we're going to tackle my issue with Tesla's annoyingly complicated
door handles. So I called up to someone who's been
following this issue very closely.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
My name is Arion Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired,
where I write about transportation and tech.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
So I really wanted Arian to break down the difference
between a regular doorhand and a Tesla door handle.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these
kind of cool electronic door handles that only respond to
you when you're close to them, and for a long time.
It was something you just saw on concept cars, So
it was like one of these things that was like
that'd be cool and sexy one day, but like not
practical until Tesla did it and they started doing on
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production cars in the twenty tens, and from a design perspective,
there were a lot of people really excited about that
because it was like, Wow, this is something that we
didn't think made any sort of practical sense and just
kind of looks cool. Tesla likes to argue that it
gives them a smidge more range because it makes the
cars more aerodynamic because the door handles can be flat
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to the side of the car. Some people have done
sort of back of the envelope calculations and it really
only gives them like a mile of extra range, so
not a big deal, but it was like a cool, sexy,
exciting thing.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is it's
more futuristic, it looks cooler.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Is that really?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying,
maybe saving a mile on your electric range?
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, that that kind of seems to be it. It's
i mean, one of the big things that people are
looking for in luxury vehicles in New ebs is this
real like car of the future sense, And it's kind
of become a signal that like, this is a future car.
Kind of feels like a spaceship, Like it feels like
you're in the future. And that's one way that car
designers have found to really say like, hey, we're going
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for it. This this is a cool one.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Look at us.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle
that is in a pain in the ass to open.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's a really good point, mister musk, mister musk, get
on that. So one thing I learned through this process too,
Right last time we were talking about you're in the
back of a Tuesla. You're trying to get out, your
pressing the button, the window's going down. What the hell's
going on? So I learned that the window going down
is a thing that actually happens on purpose. You know,
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when you press that button and the window goes down
a little bit. Oh, when you're getting out of the car,
that's the right button. Window, that's the right button you're hitting.
I always thought, oh, I pressed the wrong button. The
windows going down, that's the window button. I gotta press
another button to get out.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But no.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
So when you go to open the tussel doors, whether
you're on the outside or inside, the window goes down
a little bit so that it can clear the trim.
So Tesla's have what's called like a tremless window, so
the window goes right up to the roof. So ifewres
to try to open the door while the window was
completely up, the window could potentially break because there's a
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seal that the window forms with the top of the roof,
So the window goes down a little bit to break
that seal so that you can open the door easily.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So this blew my mind because I thought every time
I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but
I'm putting the window.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Then you're trying to go out too fast.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Essentially, yes, you know, I need to press the button,
give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But
I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this
is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like,
I don't know what the private how do I get out?
And he's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to have.
But no one has ever explained that to me.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I never knew.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
This is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's
why I love this podcast. You learned something new every day.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right, They
got these new door handles. Other automakers actually started copying them.
But despite it looking cool, there are some real complaints
about this tussle door handle.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Outside of me just being petty.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into
the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If
the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's
like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler battery
that powers other little kind of incidential parts of the car,
if it dies, you might not be able to get
in or out of your car, really inconvenient. Tesla and
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other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where those mechanical
releases are is different.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
In every car.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
There's no kind of standard, and there have been complaints
that in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan,
another electric car maker, they are really hard to find.
And that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation,
if your car's on fire, if your child is in
the back of your if you've exited the car and
you're going to get in the car seat and they're
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locked in the car, they can't find a mechanical release.
So there have been some complaints and now we've seen
actually there have been at least two lawsuits fired where
people have alleged that people have died because they've gotten
stuck in Tesla's while the test have been on fire
and the people have been unable to accept the cars
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because they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in
time to escape. So scary, bad stuff, like something that
looks cool but maybe has a serious downside.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So, because these handles are electric, if something happens to
your car battery, if there's a fire, you have to
use a mechanical release to open the door. And I
was just poking around, like the mechanical releases are not
like sometimes near the door, there's sometimes under seats and stuff,
so it's not in a place that you would naturally
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think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working
all right, Right next to it, I press this button
and then it'll do the same thing. It's like you
kind of need to know before you get into that
situation what to do. And I imagine most people, you know,
you're not researching where are the mechanical releases and educating
everyone who's going to be in your car, or.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard
for every single Tesla. It's in this spot.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like
a year ago. There was like some horrific crash.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
The family of one of the victims of last year's
deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla.
Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed
by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor
injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the
car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire.
They say she died from either the flames or from
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smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design.
A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable.
We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability. But
because there are other families out there who may never
know the risks until it's too late.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But it does seem like some changes are coming to
the Tesla door handles.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that looks over like
technology in the country put out a that they were
going to be finally regulating these door handles. So it
seems like it will require Tesla to redesign make the
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mechanical release kind of next to or like right with
the electronic door handles, so if, for example, the battery dies,
you can still use the door handle really easily. Tesla
has now said that they're redesigning their door handles. They
came out and said this in September, and they're head
of design went on TV and said, hey, we want
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to make this more intuitive to use.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
We actually have a mechanical release that's basically right at
the electronic one two, and we're combining the two so
you know, in the moments that you're in a panic situation,
the muscle memory to go to you know what you
know is right there, so you just pull a little
bit further on the lever and you have the mechanical release.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So that's something that we're working on.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah, And the reason why China is doing it is
because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese
automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one
of these cars. They got into a crash and it
seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car
and died while it was on fire. And there's kind
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of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot
of people still have the idea that like things are
underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products,
like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually
China has been really at the forefront of auto regulation specifically,
so we're now getting to this place where like the
rest of the world might be taking cues from what
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China is doing.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And you said there was some news that broke today
on this what was that news.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA,
the US regulator, put out a letter that said that
they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this
door handle issues since they first announced their probe a
few weeks ago. So they're basically like expanding the probe.
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And then the other news that came out today is
that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple
who died last year after their Tesla caught fire or
actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable
to There were actually five people in that car, and
they say they were unable to escape because the door
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handles got stuck or didn't work.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trapped the couple inside
the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla
accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivabal crashes fatal.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can
get trapped in it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You know, if your car's on fire. Maybe not worth
the cool design over your door.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort
of interesting balance. And I'm sure you see this not
only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where
it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it
worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have
right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does
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it like does does the wheel like should we just
stick with the wheel? Do we need to like reinvent
the wheel. Maybe we should just stick with the wheel. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made
sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing
and they switched to the button, because I don't know,
it's like easier, it's like it's easier. But but for
the door, it's like it hadn't solved the problem. Like
it's electric, but we're still pushing it with our you know,
with physical force.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But it looks cool for something.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Next on things I hate for Devin design a week,
we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a
fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three time Emmy
Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast kill
Switch Extra, Thomas.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very
happy to be here. What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles,
and now we're on to number two on my list
of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've
all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious
to hear about your own microwave journey.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
So I hate my microwave.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
There's like two branching thoughts here, like I really hate
my microwave. I bought it, I want to say, I
bought on an eBay or something like that. And there's
so many buttons on it like that you can't really
tell what's going on at a glance. Like I think
any kind of good design you sh be able to
understand what's going on immediately.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Here's what you got to do with it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
And it's like the start button is exactly the same
size as the zero button, and it's also close to it,
and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you
walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're
you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't
know what to do with the microwave, and like you
should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to
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make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty
when I want to warm up some soup? So I've
been thinking about that a lot. And then at the
same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave?
Speaker 10 (32:38):
No, Every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes
along that changes everything.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said We're
going to get to this, but famously said that any
microwave should only have I think like two buttons, which
is the plusty second button and the start button, and
that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said,
(33:07):
you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense.
And then I got curious and I started looking it up.
I don't think this dude said that, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
Yes, yes, So I've been spending way too long on this,
like way too long on this, and like the best
that I can find is a bunch of people posting
this on LinkedIn.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Exactly the energy of Like that quote has the energy
of LinkedIn very much. It'll be like Steve Jobs famously
said that a microwave should only have It's really all
about getting down to what's important. And that's why I've
laid off seventy percent of the people who I employed.
And it's really all about being powerful. Yeah, down to
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the essentials. I really think this dude didn't say it,
but there is maybe he did.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Maybe he did.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
I just can't find the source of it. Like I
see it on Twitter, I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've
gone back as far as I can. Maybe I could
do more research.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
But whoever came up with this I think actually is correct.
I think they're actually right. And so what I did,
and just just as an experiment, like I tried looking
around to see, Okay, is there a microwave that only
has a thirty second like a thirty plus thirty seconds
stop and start? Yeah you know what I mean? Those
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three I think, yeah? Those are those?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Are it?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
And so.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave.
What yeah, yeah, like not, I can't. I can't build
microwaves like I'm not.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
No, no, no, yeah, you know. I three d P in
my own micro We.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
No got a kickstarted going.
Speaker 13 (35:04):
Yeah exactly, maybe maybe after this maybe we should started.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I don't know. The Steve Johns microwave, no such things.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Steve Johns microwave.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Sounds pretty good.
Speaker 13 (35:15):
But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape.
I just put tape over everything I don't want, And
so the number pad blacked out, like all the different
options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who
makes it. I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more
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because I forgot who made it. It's just my microwave
now everything every so it's not duct tape. It's like
black tape. But I've had it like that for like
a year. It's great.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So you blacked out everything, but thirty seconds start and stop.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
That's it. Wow, that's it life changing.
Speaker 13 (35:53):
You can walk up, you can be tired, you can
be a kneebriad, you can be a combination of the above.
And there's only three buttons of press. And it's not
stop because it's not running. It's not start because there's
no time on it. I guess I better push thirty
one option? Really, like, do you only have one option?
And really, really you could pull out. You could take
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out the stop. Yeah, you can just open the door
because we could get it down to one button. Frankly,
there's one big button right there. You could punch it
just like you're mad.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Kind push the door in.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Yeah, this is perfect.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Yeah, it's just a door. Yeah, I mean is on
the is the door that way?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
It could be you know, a little smaller, get more
space for other things.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
More viewing.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we need to patent
this before this episode comes out.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah, we're going to be listening to this.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's like true Nirvana, right yeah, yeah, Singularity.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast He'll Switch.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox
or discord or whatever.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
You guy.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I
got it.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
It's like a working prototype.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Stay tuned after the break. Couches, Couches Couches.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches
as a reminder. I've been on a market for a
couch for you know, the last four or five years.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Now, this man sitting I have a couch. I just
want to get a new one. You know.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
So I had to figure out why is it so
hard for me to find a couch? So I called
out Sammy Reese. My name is Sammy Race.
Speaker 14 (38:01):
I write the Snake Newsletter, which is on furniture and design,
with mostly a focus on vintage furniture pieces. I moved
into the apartment I'm still in about twelve thirteen years ago,
and it wasn't a time where it was very easy
to get information on design if you were just kind
of a regular consumer. And I knew a little bit
about you know, emes and so on, but not that much.
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And I was convinced that there was good stuff out
there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, so
fuck couch, coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
So he spent some time doing some research, reading some
design books, and talking to people in the design world,
and soon he became known by people in the media
industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy
has written a lot about is this idea that although
we as a society have gotten better in terms of
fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind
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when it comes to design.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
I don't think that's kind of troversial.
Speaker 14 (39:00):
I think probably I don't want to speak for a
lot of people, but most people in design would agree
with that.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
Some of it, I think is just a function of.
Speaker 14 (39:08):
The logistics of you know, furniture and clothing. You can
only have one couch at a time in your house,
couches are more expensive than even a pair of you know,
wildly expensive designer. But one thing I think that's happened
with why fashion has sort of gotten the head so
much of design is that in the last kind of
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fifteen years, what we've seen a lot is sort of
a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through street style or
through Instagram photos of people's outfits. Here are three things
that you will find in my closet this fallen winter.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Let's make the best lava that you've seen all.
Speaker 14 (39:47):
Fall so far, or through you know, photos of people
on the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years
ago when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing,
and then so that becoming more popular as well as
the rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively
is all the clothing ever made is now available as
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opposed to just what is popular this season or what's
being sold this season. Has just kind of created a
massive marketplace, I think for clothing and has allowed just
people to dress better, which is a long long way
of saying that there really isn't anything like that for design.
It's very difficult to see different examples of people's homes
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that are outfitted in you know, really either point of
viewways or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part,
what we see are professionally interior designed homes.
Speaker 15 (40:43):
Hey day, it's kindel general, welcome to my house, come
on in, And those are going to be designed a
little differently than someone who you know, goes to the
flea market, you know, every week, or has.
Speaker 14 (40:54):
Been gifted a couch. And then some of it too
is I think, you know, again, furniture is more expensive.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes
a lot of sense, because you don't really go to
someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's
like from a different era, like on purpose, Like they
didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Rye, but it's not to your point, it's not as
common as like everyone has some sort of you know,
thrift store vintage peer of something at this point.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And then if it's a couch from all the way back,
then it probably is you know, the integrity of it
is like way less quality, Like if it's actually.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
From better you're going to learn something. I think you're
going to learn some things many good thing, you're good thing,
you're on. No such thing. Yeah, No, I think there's
just fewer. I agree with him completely.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if
someone has like a really nice house, we've all seen
it and talked about it at lant. You know, it's
like we are all sharing the same five references over.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
And over again. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
So getting back to couches, I wanted to know why
do modern day couches suck.
Speaker 14 (42:10):
The main explanation for this from you know, working on this,
looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry,
is that material costs and labor costs are so much
higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when
maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture
that was designed really with a point of view, but
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it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families,
which is another way of saying it.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
Was very affordable.
Speaker 14 (42:37):
And since then, if you were to make a sofa
that was similar toime and know, let's say the Eames
Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal,
you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy we've all seen
it like one hundred times, and if you were to
make something like that new, it sells. It's got to
sof for like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's
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an eames. There's no way to get that cost down
to something reasonable. Or that's what they say anyways. And
the other kind of more almost even granular explanations is that, well,
you know, the wood has to be shipped in from China,
and the timber is more expensive now and they're using
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lousier pieces of timber compared to the wood that they
were using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive.
But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa
in twenty twelve and it's not going to last.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And this five.
Speaker 14 (43:36):
Hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in the fifties
is a showroom piece.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I meant more of you're getting a couch that was
made in the eighties. It's been used so much that.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
No, that's what that's. Yeah, I hear exactly what you're saying,
and I disagree. I think that it holds up.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
That holds better if you put the twenty twelve couch
in nineteen eighty, it'd be dull.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Part.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Yes, we can at least have a conversation about the
eighties couch.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an
expert on design, what should someone like me do who's
out on the market for a couch. You'd be saying,
these new couches suck.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
What would your.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Guidance to be for someone who like me who's looking
to get a new couch?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Do we just got to buy a vintage? Is that
the workaround?
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (44:33):
I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just
guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can
buy it like a normal accessible price. Either that means,
you know, selfa that sells for you know, four hundred
five hundred bucks on an auction site. And then the
reason why it's so cheap is because you have to
go through the little bit of a headache.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Of setting up the auction, getting the shipping towards you.
Speaker 14 (44:55):
And that's not too difficult. I guide people through that.
But also even if I.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
Weren't writing this newsletter, it's.
Speaker 14 (45:03):
Effectively that's that's that's what I believe is the Really
it has the best value. Vintage has the best value,
but also has the most variety. You ultimately have to
buy a couch for yourself. You're not buying something that
you see, you know, on someone else's Instagram or in
a magazine or you know, in a storefront or something
like that. It has to really click and you know,
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speak to you. I guess maybe if you're a creative,
esthetically minded person, Let's say you want to kind of
feel in your solar plexus, or you want to have
some sort of connection that you like when you're rifling
through a rack at a store, you're on eBay, you
see something and you hear the click, and you're like,
these are the pants for me? And there's you know,
one hundred pants on the rack, and they're all, if
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we're being honest with each other, they're all pretty much
the same.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
But one of them just speaks to you.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's
so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
So I hear this, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I think of like, all the couches that I see
that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces,
especially like if I go to like, you know, like
furniture shore rooms or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
But my one concern, which we kind of talked about
with the online couches is like you don't.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Get to do the SID tests.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, so it might look cool, no solve for that yet,
but then I get delivered to my house.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
What if it's not What if I don't you know,
I don't love it in person?
Speaker 14 (46:38):
Well, so there isn't a c test and that is
the thing. And it's also you can sort of eyeball
it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 14 (46:46):
Know, you can email, you can email the hiuse and
just be like, hey, is this a puffy couch?
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Is you know, like is it comfortable?
Speaker 14 (46:51):
A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey, look,
just by vintage, it's not a big deal, you know,
or it is a big deal. It's a pain in
the butt, but it's not the world's biggest deal, especially
if you're buying a vintage piece that's effectively liquid, you know. So,
so if you buy a pair of Levi's on eBay
and they don't really fit you, but they're old Levi's
with the you know, biggie, you.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
Can sell tomorrow, you know. And it's the same thing
with this furniture.
Speaker 14 (47:15):
If you're willing to sort of take an l and
get rid of a couch that you hate for a
couch that you think is like pretty cool, there's sort
of an endless supply. Like if you were to buy
one of these live actioneer couches and it passes the
eye test that it's pretty comfortable. And if you know,
in April you decide you don't like it, you could
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sell it all my classifieds. You'll get most of some
of your money back. And then also you'll have the
added advantage of you'll have leveled up your taste.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
And that's the big thing I think is, you know.
Speaker 14 (47:51):
To level up your style, you go through you know,
four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you
go from this gene to this gene, to the shoe
to this shoe. And the key I think to having
a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people
doing that.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I,
you so always think I would never order clothes online
because I would have to try it first, But I've
completely gotten used to it, and yeah, obviously much different
than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
It is interesting like after having talked to him, you know,
like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually
you know does it for a living or whatever. He
does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why
don't I just like take a risk and like do
the thing. And I think that like he was saying that,
like you got to try some shit out to see
like what works makes so much sense. I think with
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like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like,
all right, I get one shot at this. If it
doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't
change my.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Mind at least five or six.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, it's like until it breaks essentially right, and it's like, no,
why don't you buy something?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (49:00):
He was saying, like, especially if you do your research
and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch
that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it,
but I've done my research and know it's like a
couch that's going to hold up like on the market,
He's like, you can sell it for a thy twelve
hundred and it's like, yeah, you're gonna lose some money
for it, but you got to sit on the couch
for six months or whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Happier when you get your Ultimately it works.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
And like, especially when you're living in New York, Like,
if you don't want to deal with a real shipping thing,
I'm sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here. Probably
there's a local place someone can take it off your
hands and deal with most of the most annoying actually
pick it. So it seems like, especially someone like you
who's been waiting, it would probably be worth taking the risk.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, all right, that's it for a week two of
Devins Design weeks four or five. Yeah, this is a
lot of fun. I will say, I'm gonna tease it
for the newsletter. I did ask emmy, Okay, you got
to pick a new couch that you would recommend. What
is it? You're not gonna find out here? You gotta
(50:03):
go to that show better, you can look at it.
You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna
say it. Then you gotta have to google it. So
cling that show, you'll see the coush to semi recommends
and this guy's got taste so uh, I'll tease it.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them more than
I'm feeling teased.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
So that was Week one of Devin Design. I guess
not week one, the first annual Devin Design Week. I'm
gonna do another one of these, so email us at
many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call us
at the number in our show notes and tell us
the designs that you hate. Our guest this week where
(50:52):
Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm gonna link to her recording.
Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch make sure you
take a listen to. And Sammy Reese from the Snake Newsletter.
We recorded this a few weeks ago, so I've already
spent way too much money on these live auction sites,
so thank you, Sammy. No such thing as a production
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of Kaleidoscope content. Our executive producers are Kay Osborne and
Manyesh Haadi Cadur. The show was created by Manny Fidel,
Norah Friedman and me Devin Joseph. Our theme in credit
song is by Manny. Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
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Speaker 4 (52:02):
He he has such things.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
Yeah,
Hils Valoscian. Here today on tech Stuff, we want to
share an episode of another kaleidoscope podcast, No Such Thing.
No Such Thing is hosted by Manny, Noah and Devon,
three best friends and journalists who, in their words quote,
settle their dumb arguments by actually doing research. They've asked
questions like will Ai take our jobs? Is dating a
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chatbot cheating? And our weather apps getting worse. The episode
We've got for You Today asked the question which is
close to my heart, why do Tesla door handles suck?
And No such Thing. Guys aren't the only ones with
a strong opinion about the door handles. In fact, just
over a month ago, China banned hidden door handles because
(00:58):
of the safety risks. In this episode, the hosts also
try to figure out why microwaves come with so many
unnecessary buttons and why couches have diminished in quality over
the years. And you'll hear a familiar voice friend of
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no such.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Thing him many.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm Noah, and this is devn and this is no
such thing. The show where we sat are our dumb
arguments and yours by actually doing the research. On today's episode,
why does everything suck?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No, No, there's no such thing, no such thing. Touch
thank touch, thank touch thank.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
All Right, fellas, Welcome to Devin Design Week, which is
not a week.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's just one episode of the podcast. It will take
you a week. You break it up. Uh, this is.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Gonna be mostly me complaining about things in my life
that I hate the design of. So we're gonna be
talking about Tesla door handles, we're gonna be talking about microwaves,
and we're gonna be talking about couches.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
So let's get right into it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's one am. You know you're at a bar. It's
a little too late. You don't want to take the
subway home. Pull up the Uber and left app. You're
comparing prices. You call a car Uber is a little
bit cheaper, and look what you got. I got damn Tesla.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Helping the environment.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Helping the environment. Sure, but why the funk is it
so hard to open the door and the dance Tesla?
I don't know how to open this.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
I'm poor.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I don't know how to open that.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I want to open the door.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
You gotta grab.
Speaker 7 (03:29):
Try it again, try it again.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Look, this is politics aside for this conversation. I'm gonna
be neutral on Elon Musk.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I love that, Okay, I love this.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
The bumper stickers people getting.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Oh yeah, I got this before you up?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Where do they buy those? Even? It's like, what the hell?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Anyway? On So he's a genius. This guy's great. What
have you ever done?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
So?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And I will say this, you know, before I talk
all this shit about Tesla's I'm not a car guy
at all, you know, but people love to be like,
what what car?
Speaker 7 (04:13):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
If you could get your dream car, what would you get?
So for a while there I was like, I don't know,
Tesla's look kind of cool. That would be kind of
cool to have a Tesla. But then do y'all remember
when Tesla started being on like Uber and Lyft and
I would. When I would see it, I'm like, oh, cool,
it's a Tesla. But then you get inside, I'm like, oh,
these are not like the inside of Tesla's are not
(04:35):
that nice, like they like you think of other luxury
vehicles like Mercedes.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, you get in, it's like comfortable, there's like you know, cupholder.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It's like it just feels like more complete.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
And I would get in these Teslas and outside of
the screen showing like the street, I was like, this
feels kind of like a budget car. Like it's not
comfortable right, Like it's maybe the ride is a little
bit smoother, but obviously the biggest issue is like what
are we doing.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
With the damn door handles? Yeah, the get in is
one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
All right, you're outside, You're like you got to push
it in a certain way to like for it to
come out, so you could pull it so that you
can open up the door. It's a little bit awkward,
like your finger gets a little bit of pinch, not
much the grass, No, once you even get it.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Out, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is it a like I always wonder is it a
two hand operation where like you push one side, the
other side pops in and then you rab it with
that side.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
But like every why do that, you know, every other door.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's one one thing we don't really complain about with
cars anymore, so how to open them. You know, no
one was like we figured that out. Yeah, it's like
that one was like it's so hard to open a
car door. It's like, we got it. You know, like
the handles pity ergonomic, you know, you kind of do it.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
It's pretty natural, opens up pretty easily.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
The weird thing is because like I remember hearing you know,
Tesla super fans being like the point is that the
car handle is hidden. It's like flush now. But but
like so many cars do that like in a way
where like it's it looks invisible, but you can get
under the handle and then pull it out, so it
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doesn't feel like a good excuse.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And then you know, getting in is one thing. What's
even worse is once you're in the car. I still
to this day have not figured it out, and you're
trying to get out, you gotta press the button. Every
time I do it, I'm putting the window.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Or like locking the cart to press.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
The button to like get out or something.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And I still don't quite understand how to do it,
because every time I'm doing it, I'm putting the window
down a little bit like you're saying it's locking unlocking,
and I'm like, how do I just open the door?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, we've been trained growing up in like the early
two thousands, once cars were fine, like the ubiquity of
cars were electric in the windows and the door locks.
We've been trained to look at a button that shows
a car door and press that to lock the car
lock the door. Now, I mean, it does feel like
kind of self explanatory, but like that's just what we
(07:11):
think where we think we were locking it. So when
I see the button in the Tesla, okay for a
handle or something.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And every time, you know, it's when I get in there,
I get kind of dory brain where I'm like, Okay,
what did I do last time? I don't remember because
I'm like whatever I did last time was wrong. Whatever
I need to do now is what I didn't do
last time, And every time I do it, I do
the wrong thing. And it's just like, why, what is
the purpose there? There must be some sort of purpose
(07:39):
to this. There must be a reason that he is
redesigned the car door handle, right, They're like They're not
just doing it to fuck with us. Any theories as
to why the outside makes sense to something like you're saying,
it could be flush, a little bit more aerodynamic, you know,
(08:01):
nothing sticking out? Okay, yeah, why are inside? Why on
the inside? What is going on in the inside. I
would imagine if this was my car, Yeah, imagine by now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
I wouldn't understand how to use it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But especially like you were saying at one a m.
Yes for me, oftentimes two, three, four am and I
cannot put I'm half asleep.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, and now I'm in the dark trying to figure
out how to open my door, like I'm a three
year old and.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
The driver's like yelling yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
I like in some some of them they put instructions.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
You ever see They're like, here's how you open the
door and study this and I'm like, okay, we as
adults can't figure this out.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It's too complicated.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's not something I should have to think about when
I'm getting into or out of a car. All right,
So that's the first thing. Then I'm gonna get to
the bottom of so number two on the things that
I don't like microwaves. All right, I got a new microwave.
(09:09):
About six months ago, my old microwave was randomly sparking. Oh,
so I just got like, okay, this is like a
reasonably priced microwave that will fit in this slot, because
that was the big thing I was concerned about, is
just like the sizing of it. So I got this
new microwave, and for the most part, it's fine. I'm
someone who relies heavily on just add thirty seconds a
(09:32):
button for most most of the stuff I'm putting in there,
and just do add thirty seconds.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah, But over.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The last week or two I've been trying to be
a little bit more prescriptive with the microwave.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
So, like, for example, I was melting some butter. I
was having some seafood thing. I was like, okay, I'm
gonna melt some butter for this. I was like, okay,
there's a soft oh yeah, melt button soft and meltain.
So I clicked that. Nothing happens, all right, Okay, as
that game. Maybe I clicked that and then hit another.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Button like it didn't turn on nothing, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It didn't turn on. So I hit the soft mount
then one. Then it's like there's an S two on
the on the microwaves. What the hell does that mean?
So I'm like, all right, I just hit start, nothing happens.
So then I'm just like, well, you know, clear it
all out, yeah, just make it. Just add thirty seconds
(10:24):
and keep an eye on it.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah yeah, it's just butter.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Yeah. But then you know they have the popcorn button.
There's other things on there there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's like potato button. Yeah, yeah, like the frosty steaks
yhoa yep.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And I feel like anytime I try to do anything
outside of plus thirty seconds, I'm like, I gotta rd
a manual to use this. Why isn't it Like, what's
the point of the button If it's not simple? Right,
If you have a button, I should be able to
press it and then just do the thing.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, it's like the the Kevin Garnett and uncut jams.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Why the fuck would you show me something if I
couldn't have it? Then what you're bringing this out?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Know what's your experience been with microwaves? You have a
positive microwave experience?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
I try not to on my MAHA stuff, I try
to avoid the microwave oh less.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Honestly, growing up, my parents always had us cover the
things in the markets. Yes, I guess for health safety.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I don't know, to keep it from splashing all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh no, ours was like a health thing. I don't
know health of what. It's just like warming it up
without exposing it to the other things in there. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Okay, what are you covering it with? Like another plate
you had?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Oh okay, another plate or sometimes microwaves come with the yeah,
the plastic cover.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
I remember we did have a microwave cover thing.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Yeah, yeah, that was more class. It would heat up
well yeah and stop stop.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I could be wrong, but I think it was more
like we don't want to have it in their raw
to the microwaves that you're heating. We don't want that
for a comedy.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
We don't want the microwaves to do what they're.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Don't want all that just like halfway, we just like
to spinning in there, don't be We don't whether microwaves
touching it gross.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But yeah, I just feel like, you know, back to
you know, the whole reason is Devin designed week. Yeah,
I just feel like, why haven't we designed a more
intuitive microwave?
Speaker 7 (12:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
If I need to rid a manual to understand how
to use it. Then it just shouldn't be it. It shouldn't
be a button. And then my third scenario here right,
this one is I've been thinking about for a long time.
Like I've been in New York, gone on ten years.
(12:42):
Right before I moved to New York, I moved with
two other my good friends. We stopped at some furniture
thrift store in Jersey on the way to like moving.
We got like, okay, we got to make an Ikea
run and we got to stop in one of these
furnisure stores and get a get a couch. So the
couch we got was used. It's kind of like old school,
(13:04):
got a kind of like a floral print. But we're like,
this couch is so comfortable, and it was cheap. It
was like two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Wow. And so I've had that couch ever since.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And I would say this, this, my couch is the
one of the most comfortable couches I've ever sad on.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Okay, but it's had, you know, it's had its it's
fair share of wear in terms of like I've had,
you know, multiple pets now on this couch.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Ten years of people sitting on it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know things have spilled, you know, the threads are
coming a bit unlose. It was used at the time.
So this couch is probably twenty years old, if not that.
But the structure of it, you know, this is an
old school couch or the structure of it is solid. Right,
you sit on it, It's comfortable, it's not falling apart.
It's not like those I Kia couches where like if
somebody sitting on one side, you're tilted over.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
But it's about time for a new couch to come
to my life. Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So I've been looking around, I would say for the
last five years, it may be longer than that. I've
been thinking about getting a new couch. I've been going
to places, I've been sitting on couches. I've been looking online.
We are at a point in this country. I don't
know if this is true across the world. Well, we
(14:24):
have lost our way with couches. Wow, And I'm telling
you why. We got basically two versions of couches nowadays. Right,
we either have a couch that looks beautiful, beautifully designed
like aesthetically if no one was sitting on it. Wow,
take a picture, lovely right, And then we have couches
(14:46):
that are comfortable. Not good to look at. My couch
not much to look at. But you sit on that thing,
you don't want to get up. You're comfortable, like you know,
you sit in it. You could just you could fall
asleep in it. Your bus not hurding after they're sending
it for twenty you know your back's not hurting. And
no one has figured out a way to do both
(15:07):
of these things at a reasonable price.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That is, I agree with you there.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Couches are expenses, thousands and thousands of dollars for couches.
So let me ask you to how do you feel
about your current couches? Where did you get them?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So we got our couch. It's a Hay couch heard
of hey the company. Yes, nice, but we got to
use so it wasn't as expensive.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
They're not cheap though, Hay couches are not cheap.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think we damn.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I think it's fifteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
More than one.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
But the guys who had it previously were giving it
on a huge discount, and they hadn't used it that much.
They hadn't used it two months or something. They hadn't
leave the city for some for whatever reason, you got
to get so we got a really good deal on it.
Looks great, It looks great. How comfortable is it. I've
only sat on it, y'all usually said it's really comfortable.
I fall right sleep on this thame the thing, the
thing that makes it so comfortable is the depth. It's
(16:02):
so deep in uh in the you know. The material
is good.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
So your Hay one you're happy with.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
We're happy with it. But it's too big to fit
in that living room.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
See this is another issue which I did not even
mention living in New York. It's size. So I don't
have that big of an apartment. So I need a couch.
And like you said, I want to couch with a
little bit of debt in the seat.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't want to be sitting on my couch and
half my leg is off the couch. I want to
be able to sit in it. But it also can't
have a huge footprint, right that. I have a small apartment,
so it needs to I need to have a lot
of room from my ass and everything else is pretty
you know, tight to the couch. And that's that's another issue.
So your Hay couch like you're saying, good seat, but
(16:45):
it's kind of big. No, it's your couch story.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm trying to think we bought a couch. I think
maybe west mm hm, maybe two years ago. Now it's
it's comfy, it's it's big, and it's got like the
extra little section okay, little chase, Yeah yeah, so yeah,
this is like, okay, we're actually gonna got a nice
I had like a wayfair cheap little thing before. It's like,
all right, we're gonna get a nice upgrade. This is
(17:11):
something like we can move with us and like.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Take care of how you feeling about two years later.
I like it.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
It's it's comfy, it's it's got a good depth, and
like I could lay down and sleep on this and
be pretty like definitely once while I'm there at three
o'clock just relaxing. Yeah, you got some music on. I'm
happy with it. I don't think it'll be my couch
for my entire life.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
But see, but that's the way it used to be
used to be.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You buy a couch, my couch, and that's your couch
until your kids, you know, are grown. But now I
feel like we get couches. You had this couch two years,
you're already thinking about moving on from it. You know
you're talking about it. I'm not gonna have my rest
of my life. Yeah, we used to have good couches.
And the other thing is the couch is the build
nowadays suck So many of those couches. I see because
(18:00):
I'll see someone post a couch and I'll look up, Okay,
this Western specific couch, someone who's had it for three
four years, and they're like, oh, I love the couch
when I first got it. Now it's singing in. This
thing's falling apart, like the structures are in as good.
And then the other issue you have is that if
you want to get a couch, I know it's not
as bad as it was during COVID, but you gotta
wait a while. Also, how am I expected to buy
(18:23):
a couch online that I've never sat in? Yeah, this
is crazy anymore these places. If you're an online couch place,
you gotta have a showroom. I gotta sit my ass on.
I'm not buying a couch. I'm not sitting on all Right,
we're gonna take a quick break and when we get back,
we're gonna hear about why some people are calling Tesla's
door handles deadly. We're gonna hear about the Steve Jobs microwave,
(18:47):
and last but not least, we're gonna figure out what
you should do if you're looking to buy a new couch.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Welcome to Week two of Devin Design. Week.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Before the break, we were complaining about Tesla door handles.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Which is a podcast.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Okay, you know time Time is a constructs Yeah, before
the break, and we were complaining about three things got
Tesla door handles micro waves in modern day couches. So
I tracked down some experts to help us get to
the bottom of all of my design qualms. So first up,
(19:39):
we're going to tackle my issue with Tesla's annoyingly complicated
door handles. So I called up to someone who's been
following this issue very closely.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
My name is Arion Marshall, and I'm a staff writer Wired,
where I write about transportation and tech.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
So I really wanted Arian to break down the difference
between a regular doorhand and a Tesla door handle.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
Automakers for many, many years have been showing off these
kind of cool electronic door handles that only respond to
you when you're close to them, and for a long time.
It was something you just saw on concept cars, So
it was like one of these things that was like
that'd be cool and sexy one day, but like not
practical until Tesla did it and they started doing on
(20:24):
production cars in the twenty tens, and from a design perspective,
there were a lot of people really excited about that
because it was like, Wow, this is something that we
didn't think made any sort of practical sense and just
kind of looks cool. Tesla likes to argue that it
gives them a smidge more range because it makes the
cars more aerodynamic because the door handles can be flat
(20:46):
to the side of the car. Some people have done
sort of back of the envelope calculations and it really
only gives them like a mile of extra range, so
not a big deal, but it was like a cool, sexy,
exciting thing.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Is that like the thinking behind the redesign is it's
more futuristic, it looks cooler.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Is that really?
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Is there any functionality that's better outside of like you're saying,
maybe saving a mile on your electric range?
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, that that kind of seems to be it. It's
i mean, one of the big things that people are
looking for in luxury vehicles in New ebs is this
real like car of the future sense, And it's kind
of become a signal that like, this is a future car.
Kind of feels like a spaceship, Like it feels like
you're in the future. And that's one way that car
designers have found to really say like, hey, we're going
(21:34):
for it. This this is a cool one.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Look at us.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I mean, why can't you have an aerodynamic car handle
that is in a pain in the ass to open.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's a really good point, mister musk, mister musk, get
on that. So one thing I learned through this process too,
Right last time we were talking about you're in the
back of a Tuesla. You're trying to get out, your
pressing the button, the window's going down. What the hell's
going on? So I learned that the window going down
is a thing that actually happens on purpose. You know,
(22:10):
when you press that button and the window goes down
a little bit. Oh, when you're getting out of the car,
that's the right button. Window, that's the right button you're hitting.
I always thought, oh, I pressed the wrong button. The
windows going down, that's the window button. I gotta press
another button to get out.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
But no.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
So when you go to open the tussel doors, whether
you're on the outside or inside, the window goes down
a little bit so that it can clear the trim.
So Tesla's have what's called like a tremless window, so
the window goes right up to the roof. So ifewres
to try to open the door while the window was
completely up, the window could potentially break because there's a
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seal that the window forms with the top of the roof,
So the window goes down a little bit to break
that seal so that you can open the door easily.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
So this blew my mind because I thought every time
I was leaving the car, I'm pressing the wrong but
I'm putting the window.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Then you're trying to go out too fast.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Essentially, yes, you know, I need to press the button,
give it up, due, Okay, now I can continue. But
I was pressing the button and thinking, oh shit, this
is the wrong button. Then I just stop and I'm like,
I don't know what the private how do I get out?
And he's like, no, you idiot, that's what's supposed to have.
But no one has ever explained that to me.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I never knew.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
This is the first time I'm hearing of it. That's
why I love this podcast. You learned something new every day.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
So Tesla does this thing that looks cool, right, They
got these new door handles. Other automakers actually started copying them.
But despite it looking cool, there are some real complaints
about this tussle door handle.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Outside of me just being petty.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Bloomberg published this big report that really went deep into
the issues with these door handles because they're electronic. If
the twelve volt battery that powers the car, so that's
like the big electric vehicle battery, but the littler battery
that powers other little kind of incidential parts of the car,
if it dies, you might not be able to get
in or out of your car, really inconvenient. Tesla and
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other automakers do have mechanical releases, but where those mechanical
releases are is different.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
In every car.
Speaker 9 (24:18):
There's no kind of standard, and there have been complaints
that in Tesla vehicles, particularly also in the vehicles from ribbyan,
another electric car maker, they are really hard to find.
And that's like kind of inconvenient. But in an emergency situation,
if your car's on fire, if your child is in
the back of your if you've exited the car and
you're going to get in the car seat and they're
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locked in the car, they can't find a mechanical release.
So there have been some complaints and now we've seen
actually there have been at least two lawsuits fired where
people have alleged that people have died because they've gotten
stuck in Tesla's while the test have been on fire
and the people have been unable to accept the cars
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because they've been unable to find these mechanical releases in
time to escape. So scary, bad stuff, like something that
looks cool but maybe has a serious downside.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So, because these handles are electric, if something happens to
your car battery, if there's a fire, you have to
use a mechanical release to open the door. And I
was just poking around, like the mechanical releases are not
like sometimes near the door, there's sometimes under seats and stuff,
so it's not in a place that you would naturally
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think to look like, Okay, this door handle isn't working
all right, Right next to it, I press this button
and then it'll do the same thing. It's like you
kind of need to know before you get into that
situation what to do. And I imagine most people, you know,
you're not researching where are the mechanical releases and educating
everyone who's going to be in your car, or.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Do we know where the Tesla mechanical release.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
It's different for each car. There isn't like a standard
for every single Tesla. It's in this spot.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Wow mm hmm, yep. I remember reading about this like
a year ago. There was like some horrific crash.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
The family of one of the victims of last year's
deadly cyber truck crash in Piedmont is now suing Tesla.
Three college students died in the crash. A lawsuit filed
by the family of Christazukahara claims she suffered only minor
injuries in the crash, but couldn't get out of the
car or be rescued after the vehicle's main battery caught fire.
They say she died from either the flames or from
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smoke inhalation. The family blames the cyber truck's door design.
A statement from the family reads, quote, her death was preventable.
We are filing this lawsuit not just for accountability. But
because there are other families out there who may never
know the risks until it's too late.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
But it does seem like some changes are coming to
the Tesla door handles.
Speaker 9 (26:49):
Earlier this year, the Chinese regulator that looks over like
technology in the country put out a that they were
going to be finally regulating these door handles. So it
seems like it will require Tesla to redesign make the
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mechanical release kind of next to or like right with
the electronic door handles, so if, for example, the battery dies,
you can still use the door handle really easily. Tesla
has now said that they're redesigning their door handles. They
came out and said this in September, and they're head
of design went on TV and said, hey, we want
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to make this more intuitive to use.
Speaker 10 (27:36):
Have you considered a redesign or a fix for these issues.
Speaker 11 (27:40):
We actually have a mechanical release that's basically right at
the electronic one two, and we're combining the two so
you know, in the moments that you're in a panic situation,
the muscle memory to go to you know what you
know is right there, so you just pull a little
bit further on the lever and you have the mechanical release.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So that's something that we're working on.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
Yeah, And the reason why China is doing it is
because they had a highly publicized incident where a Chinese
automaker with these door handles, someone was driving in one
of these cars. They got into a crash and it
seems that, uh, the person got trapped in the car
and died while it was on fire. And there's kind
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of an interesting dynamic here because I think a lot
of people still have the idea that like things are
underregulated in China. It's the wild West in terms of products,
like they're doing whatever, they're putting out whatever. But actually
China has been really at the forefront of auto regulation specifically,
so we're now getting to this place where like the
rest of the world might be taking cues from what
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China is doing.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
And you said there was some news that broke today
on this what was that news.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Yeah, So the news this morning is that the NITSA,
the US regulator, put out a letter that said that
they have gotten even more complaints from consumers about this
door handle issues since they first announced their probe a
few weeks ago. So they're basically like expanding the probe.
(29:15):
And then the other news that came out today is
that there is a the family of a Wisconsin couple
who died last year after their Tesla caught fire or
actually suing Tesla because they say that they were unable
to There were actually five people in that car, and
they say they were unable to escape because the door
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handles got stuck or didn't work.
Speaker 12 (29:37):
The lawsuit claims Tesla's door design trapped the couple inside
the burning car. The family is seeking to hold Tesla
accountable for allegedly designing vehicles that make survivabal crashes fatal.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
That's horrible. It's like, looks cool, but yeah, you can
get trapped in it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
You know, if your car's on fire. Maybe not worth
the cool design over your door.
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, And there's a I think there's a a sort
of interesting balance. And I'm sure you see this not
only in cars, but like the entire tech world, where
it's like, we can do this with engineering. Is it
worth it? Is it better than the stuff we have
right now? Like, it looks cool, it's fun, but does
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it like does does the wheel like should we just
stick with the wheel? Do we need to like reinvent
the wheel. Maybe we should just stick with the wheel. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, it feels like with the car innovations, it made
sense when windows stopped being like the roll up thing
and they switched to the button, because I don't know,
it's like easier, it's like it's easier. But but for
the door, it's like it hadn't solved the problem. Like
it's electric, but we're still pushing it with our you know,
with physical force.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But it looks cool for something.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Next on things I hate for Devin design a week,
we have microwaves, So we're actually gonna call up a
fellow member of the Kaleidoscope family and three time Emmy
Award winning journalists and hosts of the hit podcast kill
Switch Extra, Thomas.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
All Right, Dexter, thank you for joining us. I'm very
happy to be here. What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, we just got done talking about Tesla door handles,
and now we're on to number two on my list
of things I don't like, which are microwaves. Yes, we've
all talked about our own microwave journeys, but I'm curious
to hear about your own microwave journey.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
So I hate my microwave.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
There's like two branching thoughts here, like I really hate
my microwave. I bought it, I want to say, I
bought on an eBay or something like that. And there's
so many buttons on it like that you can't really
tell what's going on at a glance. Like I think
any kind of good design you sh be able to
understand what's going on immediately.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Here's what you got to do with it, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 13 (32:05):
And it's like the start button is exactly the same
size as the zero button, and it's also close to it,
and there's all these different mode buttons, and so you
walk to it, and you know you're tired or you're
you know, inebriated. You're tired and inebriated, and you don't
know what to do with the microwave, and like you
should be able to. It's a microwave. It's meant to
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make your life simple. So why am I having difficulty
when I want to warm up some soup? So I've
been thinking about that a lot. And then at the
same time, have y'all heard of the Steve Jobs microwave?
Speaker 10 (32:38):
No, Every once in a while, a revolutionary product comes
along that changes everything.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
The Steve Jobs microwave is Steve Jobs famously said We're
going to get to this, but famously said that any
microwave should only have I think like two buttons, which
is the plusty second button and the start button, and
that's it. And I saw that online somewhere and I said,
(33:07):
you know what, this actually makes a lot of sense.
And then I got curious and I started looking it up.
I don't think this dude said that, Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, got a classic Mark Twain situation.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Exactly.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
Yes, yes, So I've been spending way too long on this,
like way too long on this, and like the best
that I can find is a bunch of people posting
this on LinkedIn.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Oh it's a classic LinkedIn post.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Exactly the energy of Like that quote has the energy
of LinkedIn very much. It'll be like Steve Jobs famously
said that a microwave should only have It's really all
about getting down to what's important. And that's why I've
laid off seventy percent of the people who I employed.
And it's really all about being powerful. Yeah, down to
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the essentials. I really think this dude didn't say it,
but there is maybe he did.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
Maybe he did.
Speaker 13 (34:04):
I just can't find the source of it. Like I
see it on Twitter, I've seen it on LinkedIn. I've
gone back as far as I can. Maybe I could
do more research.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (34:11):
But whoever came up with this I think actually is correct.
I think they're actually right. And so what I did,
and just just as an experiment, like I tried looking
around to see, Okay, is there a microwave that only
has a thirty second like a thirty plus thirty seconds
stop and start? Yeah you know what I mean? Those
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three I think, yeah? Those are those?
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Are it?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (34:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
And so.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
I tried it. I tried making my own Steve Jobs microwave.
What yeah, yeah, like not, I can't. I can't build
microwaves like I'm not.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
No, no, no, yeah, you know. I three d P in
my own micro We.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
No got a kickstarted going.
Speaker 13 (35:04):
Yeah exactly, maybe maybe after this maybe we should started.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I don't know. The Steve Johns microwave, no such things.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Steve Johns microwave.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Sounds pretty good.
Speaker 13 (35:15):
But so what I did was I honestly just duct tape.
I just put tape over everything I don't want, And
so the number pad blacked out, like all the different
options blacked out, the logo blacked out. I forgot who
makes it. I can't even diss the microwave manufacturing more
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because I forgot who made it. It's just my microwave
now everything every so it's not duct tape. It's like
black tape. But I've had it like that for like
a year. It's great.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
So you blacked out everything, but thirty seconds start and stop.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
That's it. Wow, that's it life changing.
Speaker 13 (35:53):
You can walk up, you can be tired, you can
be a kneebriad, you can be a combination of the above.
And there's only three buttons of press. And it's not
stop because it's not running. It's not start because there's
no time on it. I guess I better push thirty
one option? Really, like, do you only have one option?
And really, really you could pull out. You could take
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out the stop. Yeah, you can just open the door
because we could get it down to one button. Frankly,
there's one big button right there. You could punch it
just like you're mad.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Kind push the door in.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Yeah, this is perfect.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Yeah, it's just a door. Yeah, I mean is on
the is the door that way?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
It could be you know, a little smaller, get more
space for other things.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
More viewing.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah there, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we need to patent
this before this episode comes out.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah, we're going to be listening to this.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's like true Nirvana, right yeah, yeah, Singularity.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
That was Dexter Thomas from the podcast He'll Switch.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
I absolutely want to see all this like email inbox
or discord or whatever.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
You guy.
Speaker 13 (37:04):
Like like a week later, somebody's like, hey, y'all, I
got it.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
It's like a working prototype.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Stay tuned after the break. Couches, Couches Couches.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Third on the list for Devin Design Week was couches
as a reminder. I've been on a market for a
couch for you know, the last four or five years.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
Now, this man sitting I have a couch. I just
want to get a new one. You know.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I've been struggling to find something that's both comfortable and affordable.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
So I had to figure out why is it so
hard for me to find a couch? So I called
out Sammy Reese. My name is Sammy Race.
Speaker 14 (38:01):
I write the Snake Newsletter, which is on furniture and design,
with mostly a focus on vintage furniture pieces. I moved
into the apartment I'm still in about twelve thirteen years ago,
and it wasn't a time where it was very easy
to get information on design if you were just kind
of a regular consumer. And I knew a little bit
about you know, emes and so on, but not that much.
(38:23):
And I was convinced that there was good stuff out
there because I needed to buy furniture, you know, so
fuck couch, coffee table, all this stuff from my apartment.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
So he spent some time doing some research, reading some
design books, and talking to people in the design world,
and soon he became known by people in the media
industry as the design Guy. And one thing that Sammy
has written a lot about is this idea that although
we as a society have gotten better in terms of
fashion as a whole, it seems like we're lagging behind
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when it comes to design.
Speaker 7 (38:59):
I don't think that's kind of troversial.
Speaker 14 (39:00):
I think probably I don't want to speak for a
lot of people, but most people in design would agree
with that.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
Some of it, I think is just a function of.
Speaker 14 (39:08):
The logistics of you know, furniture and clothing. You can
only have one couch at a time in your house,
couches are more expensive than even a pair of you know,
wildly expensive designer. But one thing I think that's happened
with why fashion has sort of gotten the head so
much of design is that in the last kind of
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fifteen years, what we've seen a lot is sort of
a vernacular understanding of fashion, either through street style or
through Instagram photos of people's outfits. Here are three things
that you will find in my closet this fallen winter.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Let's make the best lava that you've seen all.
Speaker 14 (39:47):
Fall so far, or through you know, photos of people
on the runway, as opposed to let's say twenty years
ago when there wasn't really any vernacular regular people dressing,
and then so that becoming more popular as well as
the rise of vintage, and the rise of vintage effectively
is all the clothing ever made is now available as
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opposed to just what is popular this season or what's
being sold this season. Has just kind of created a
massive marketplace, I think for clothing and has allowed just
people to dress better, which is a long long way
of saying that there really isn't anything like that for design.
It's very difficult to see different examples of people's homes
(40:31):
that are outfitted in you know, really either point of
viewways or beautiful ways or impressive ways. For the most part,
what we see are professionally interior designed homes.
Speaker 15 (40:43):
Hey day, it's kindel general, welcome to my house, come
on in, And those are going to be designed a
little differently than someone who you know, goes to the
flea market, you know, every week, or has.
Speaker 14 (40:54):
Been gifted a couch. And then some of it too
is I think, you know, again, furniture is more expensive.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
The comparison to the popularity of like vintage clothing makes
a lot of sense, because you don't really go to
someone's apartment and see that they have a couch that's
like from a different era, like on purpose, Like they
didn't seek out some old era couch. I guess some like.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Rye, but it's not to your point, it's not as
common as like everyone has some sort of you know,
thrift store vintage peer of something at this point.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
And then if it's a couch from all the way back,
then it probably is you know, the integrity of it
is like way less quality, Like if it's actually.
Speaker 5 (41:39):
From better you're going to learn something. I think you're
going to learn some things many good thing, you're good thing,
you're on. No such thing. Yeah, No, I think there's
just fewer. I agree with him completely.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think there's fewer examples of like, you know, if
someone has like a really nice house, we've all seen
it and talked about it at lant. You know, it's
like we are all sharing the same five references over.
Speaker 5 (42:02):
And over again. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
So getting back to couches, I wanted to know why
do modern day couches suck.
Speaker 14 (42:10):
The main explanation for this from you know, working on this,
looking at this stuff talking to people in the industry,
is that material costs and labor costs are so much
higher now than they were in the nineteen sixties, when
maybe that was the last gasp of original American furniture
that was designed really with a point of view, but
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it was also aimed towards you know, working people, young families,
which is another way of saying it.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
Was very affordable.
Speaker 14 (42:37):
And since then, if you were to make a sofa
that was similar toime and know, let's say the Eames
Executive sofa, it's a nice, almost simple, you know, leather sofa, metal,
you know, chrome legs, nothing really crazy we've all seen
it like one hundred times, and if you were to
make something like that new, it sells. It's got to
sof for like I'm fifteen k now, but it's that's
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an eames. There's no way to get that cost down
to something reasonable. Or that's what they say anyways. And
the other kind of more almost even granular explanations is that, well,
you know, the wood has to be shipped in from China,
and the timber is more expensive now and they're using
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lousier pieces of timber compared to the wood that they
were using sixty years ago, which is why it's almost counterintuitive.
But you know, you buy an eight thousand dollars sofa
in twenty twelve and it's not going to last.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And this five.
Speaker 14 (43:36):
Hundred dollars sofa that your grandparents bought in the fifties
is a showroom piece.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
Still there you go, man, have any apologies to me?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I meant more of you're getting a couch that was
made in the eighties. It's been used so much that.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
No, that's what that's. Yeah, I hear exactly what you're saying,
and I disagree. I think that it holds up.
Speaker 6 (43:58):
That holds better if you put the twenty twelve couch
in nineteen eighty, it'd be dull.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Part.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Yes, we can at least have a conversation about the
eighties couch.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
So I wanted to ask him, you know, Sammy's an
expert on design, what should someone like me do who's
out on the market for a couch. You'd be saying,
these new couches suck.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
What would your.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Guidance to be for someone who like me who's looking
to get a new couch?
Speaker 5 (44:30):
Do we just got to buy a vintage? Is that
the workaround?
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 14 (44:33):
I mean so selfishly because of my newsletter, which just
guides people towards, you know, vintage furniture that you can
buy it like a normal accessible price. Either that means,
you know, selfa that sells for you know, four hundred
five hundred bucks on an auction site. And then the
reason why it's so cheap is because you have to
go through the little bit of a headache.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Of setting up the auction, getting the shipping towards you.
Speaker 14 (44:55):
And that's not too difficult. I guide people through that.
But also even if I.
Speaker 7 (45:00):
Weren't writing this newsletter, it's.
Speaker 14 (45:03):
Effectively that's that's that's what I believe is the Really
it has the best value. Vintage has the best value,
but also has the most variety. You ultimately have to
buy a couch for yourself. You're not buying something that
you see, you know, on someone else's Instagram or in
a magazine or you know, in a storefront or something
like that. It has to really click and you know,
(45:25):
speak to you. I guess maybe if you're a creative,
esthetically minded person, Let's say you want to kind of
feel in your solar plexus, or you want to have
some sort of connection that you like when you're rifling
through a rack at a store, you're on eBay, you
see something and you hear the click, and you're like,
these are the pants for me? And there's you know,
one hundred pants on the rack, and they're all, if
(45:45):
we're being honest with each other, they're all pretty much
the same.
Speaker 7 (45:49):
But one of them just speaks to you.
Speaker 14 (45:51):
And there is that exists in design and furniture. There's
so much out there it's it's almost mind boggling.
Speaker 5 (46:03):
So I hear this, it makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I think of like, all the couches that I see
that I like the most are some sort of vintage pieces,
especially like if I go to like, you know, like
furniture shore rooms or whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
But my one concern, which we kind of talked about
with the online couches is like you don't.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Get to do the SID tests.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yeah, so it might look cool, no solve for that yet,
but then I get delivered to my house.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
What if it's not What if I don't you know,
I don't love it in person?
Speaker 14 (46:38):
Well, so there isn't a c test and that is
the thing. And it's also you can sort of eyeball
it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 14 (46:46):
Know, you can email, you can email the hiuse and
just be like, hey, is this a puffy couch?
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Is you know, like is it comfortable?
Speaker 14 (46:51):
A lot of this is my bias saying like, hey, look,
just by vintage, it's not a big deal, you know,
or it is a big deal. It's a pain in
the butt, but it's not the world's biggest deal, especially
if you're buying a vintage piece that's effectively liquid, you know. So,
so if you buy a pair of Levi's on eBay
and they don't really fit you, but they're old Levi's
with the you know, biggie, you.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
Can sell tomorrow, you know. And it's the same thing
with this furniture.
Speaker 14 (47:15):
If you're willing to sort of take an l and
get rid of a couch that you hate for a
couch that you think is like pretty cool, there's sort
of an endless supply. Like if you were to buy
one of these live actioneer couches and it passes the
eye test that it's pretty comfortable. And if you know,
in April you decide you don't like it, you could
(47:37):
sell it all my classifieds. You'll get most of some
of your money back. And then also you'll have the
added advantage of you'll have leveled up your taste.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
And that's the big thing I think is, you know.
Speaker 14 (47:51):
To level up your style, you go through you know,
four different style you know, evolutions and variations, and you
go from this gene to this gene, to the shoe
to this shoe. And the key I think to having
a bigger, more robust kind of design understanding is people
doing that.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It makes sense too. And when thinking about like I,
you so always think I would never order clothes online
because I would have to try it first, But I've
completely gotten used to it, and yeah, obviously much different
than like a giant couch. But what he's saying makes sense.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
It is interesting like after having talked to him, you know,
like someone who's so passionate about this stuff and actually
you know does it for a living or whatever. He
does kind of change your mindset of like, yeah, why
don't I just like take a risk and like do
the thing. And I think that like he was saying that,
like you got to try some shit out to see
like what works makes so much sense. I think with
(48:44):
like designed and furniture in our homes, we're just so like,
all right, I get one shot at this. If it
doesn't work out, I'm stuck with it and I can't
change my.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Mind at least five or six.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, it's like until it breaks essentially right, and it's like, no,
why don't you buy something?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
You know?
Speaker 3 (49:00):
He was saying, like, especially if you do your research
and stuff ahead of time. If I buy a couch
that's say fifteen hundred dollars if I don't like it,
but I've done my research and know it's like a
couch that's going to hold up like on the market,
He's like, you can sell it for a thy twelve
hundred and it's like, yeah, you're gonna lose some money
for it, but you got to sit on the couch
for six months or whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Happier when you get your Ultimately it works.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
And like, especially when you're living in New York, Like,
if you don't want to deal with a real shipping thing,
I'm sure there's people here like, yeah, easier here. Probably
there's a local place someone can take it off your
hands and deal with most of the most annoying actually
pick it. So it seems like, especially someone like you
who's been waiting, it would probably be worth taking the risk.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, all right, that's it for a week two of
Devins Design weeks four or five. Yeah, this is a
lot of fun. I will say, I'm gonna tease it
for the newsletter. I did ask emmy, Okay, you got
to pick a new couch that you would recommend. What
is it? You're not gonna find out here? You gotta
(50:03):
go to that show better, you can look at it.
You're not gonna it doesn't even make sense. I'm gonna
say it. Then you gotta have to google it. So
cling that show, you'll see the coush to semi recommends
and this guy's got taste so uh, I'll tease it.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Consider yourself teased. I think you've teased them more than
I'm feeling teased.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
So that was Week one of Devin Design. I guess
not week one, the first annual Devin Design Week. I'm
gonna do another one of these, so email us at
many Noah Devin at gmail dot com, or call us
at the number in our show notes and tell us
the designs that you hate. Our guest this week where
(50:52):
Arion Marshall at Wired. I'm gonna link to her recording.
Dexter Thomas from the podcast kill Switch make sure you
take a listen to. And Sammy Reese from the Snake Newsletter.
We recorded this a few weeks ago, so I've already
spent way too much money on these live auction sites,
so thank you, Sammy. No such thing as a production
(51:14):
of Kaleidoscope content. Our executive producers are Kay Osborne and
Manyesh Haadi Cadur. The show was created by Manny Fidel,
Norah Friedman and me Devin Joseph. Our theme in credit
song is by Manny. Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
All right, y'all, we'll be back next week.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Hook from new episode let's just let's look the beat
right out for a bit. Wait, wait, wait, I forgot
one thing. Make sure if you like the show, you've
listened this much. You like the show, make sure you're
following us, and make sure you live a review. Five
star ratings really helps other people find the show. Send
(51:54):
it to a friend and fous on Instagram. No such
thing that show. No, I have a lot more conversation.
Speaker 4 (52:02):
He he has such things.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
Yeah,
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