October 7, 2025 • 43 mins
California has a massive economy, the power of Hollywood and Silicon Valley, and we grow much of the nation’s food. As the Trump administration targets the state with federal cuts, ICE raids, and the deployment of the National Guard, some are asking: How could California—and other blue states—use their considerable power? Could there be a kind of “soft secession” from the federal government? We’ll talk about the possible paths for blue-state resistance.
Guests:
Clara Jeffery, editor in chief, Mother Jones and the Center for Investigative Reporting
Jon Michaels, law professor, UCLA
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