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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm here and you're there, and I'm glad they're all
(00:02):
togethered here on the radio and miraculous how that happens.
All right, I'll get that Steve Laffey interview posted up.
We just did a good conversation with Steve as always. Also,
I finally got it rectified, and the interview I did
yesterday with Denesh Desusa is now up on my website,
so you can find that Jimmy Lakey dot com. J
(00:24):
I M M Y lak Y Jimmy Lakey. All right,
let me bring you into the conversation topics of well.
A great Institute is Mis's Institute, nonprofit organization assistant promoting
and teaching and researching the Austrian School of Economics, Individual Freedom,
(00:44):
honest History, international piece. And we always love having some
of the fellows from the Mesa's Institute with us. Mark
Thornton is a senior fellow. He joins us on the hotline.
Mister Thornton, Welcome to the show. Nice to have you
here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, Jimmy, it's great to be here with you in Colorado,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Very good. Well, let's dive in here. There have been
a lot of ranting that Trump or trump Ism or
Trumpanomics is fascist, as policies are fascist. And first of all,
I don't think people that use that word call people
him a fascist or a supporters a fascist. I don't
think they really understand the meaning of fascist, because he's
(01:23):
not a real good fascist if you go by the
real definition of it from my understanding. But talk about
these policies, I mean, people hear and they go, oh,
the policies must be bad, they must be fascist policies.
Help us break down the truth here, what is fascism
and is this fascism?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, I think the left and the progressives are just
calling the cattle black here, you know, because they're much
more like the actual fascist from history than Donald Trump
is at this point for sure, you know fascism Mussolini, Hitler,
the British fascist, an American fascists called progressives. They were
(02:04):
all about economic control over the individual, over the economy.
They wanted big government. They wanted big government spending and control.
They wanted the prohibition of alcohol in the police state.
They wanted the US involved imperialism overseas, much like these
(02:25):
other variations in other countries. So they wanted to control everything,
and that's kind of what the left today wants as well.
So I see them, as you know, calling Trump a fascist,
when in actual fact it's it's more of a reflection
upon themselves than anything else. And of course we saw
(02:49):
that at unbelievable heights during COVID, but we see it,
you know, in the Biden administration as well.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, you see some of these policies that happened in
the COVID, A lot of people have I think purged
them from their mind. They shouldn't. I mean, you had
in Tim Waltz's Minnesota police walking around shooting paintballs at
people that are on their front porch getting fresh air
because they left the confines of their own home. I mean,
those were the behaviors that you would expect from let's
say Hitler like leaders. I mean, if we're going to
(03:22):
make that awful hilarian about hitlerrism, really just got to
go back to some of these governors and their response
to COVID and how they treated their own people. You
had a Michigan Attorney General during COVID saying we're going
to lock up anybody who spreads misinformation about COVID, including
some things that turned out to be true, but she
(03:42):
was going to lock people up for free speech about
disagreeing with doctor Fauci and COVID. That is, those weren't
the policies of let's say, the Conservatives or the Republicans
out there, or the Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that's why COVID is such a great example, because
it really revealed people's true colors and the calling card
of the progressives and the left and fascism in general.
You can go back to Mussoli, you go back to
the National Socialists with Hitler is propaganda number one. I mean,
(04:17):
they try to convince you of the way the world
is according to them, and if that doesn't work, then
they resort to intimidation and threats and those sorts of things.
The police state, just the presence of the police state
intimidating people, no knock raids, you know, the paintball incidences
(04:41):
in Minnesota, you know, or even in other countries. It
was the same way where the left was, you know,
using propaganda and intimidation to get control. But of course
that control. They want control over everything, including the economy.
They want to be not you know, they don't want
to be running all of the industry in a country
(05:05):
the way the old Soviet Union used to do it.
They just want to control things, have the bureaucracy telling
people what to do, and you know, influencing their choices,
limiting their choices, creating all sorts of regulations and subsidies
and taxes, and you know, so their busy body, technocratic
(05:27):
bureaucrats writ large over the economy. But it really showed
through when it came down to really person to person
personal control over individuals' choices in their bodies. During the
COVID disaster, the.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Voice of doctor Mark Tott Thornton, excuse me, Mark Thornton
is on the hotline, and he said, with a Mesa's Institute.
We'll give their website here in just a moment, a
great foundation you might want to follow. I want to
ask you this question about, first of all, this rally
of Madison Square Garden that you had Waltz and some
of the media saying that was where the that's where
the Nazis held an event in nineteen thirty eight. Well,
(06:06):
that's like saying that where Kamma made his speech yesterday
is where the clan rally in nineteen twenty four. It's
just it's a stupid comparison. But for some reason, these
people make that about it. But at that rally, when
they're trying to make you think about this comedian that
made some off color jokes or what have you. Elon
Musk came out there and he says he's volunteered to
(06:27):
be a part of the Trump administration and he believes
he can save America two trillion dollars in government waste
and spending. Have you what are your thoughts on that
two trillion dollars. I mean, most people don't can't quantify
what two trillion dollars is, but it sounds like a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is a lot, But we're spending an enormous amount.
I mean, the increases in spending and the increases in
borrowing by the government have gone up enormously in recent years.
And we do need to cut two trillion dollars, but
I you know, it's got You know, people have been
hiding behind the frame government waste for a long period
(07:06):
of time and we just have got to drop that. Instead,
we need to start cutting government itself. We need to
start actually cutting government and their power to control us,
which is what the progressives hate, and that's why they
are vehemently opposed to Donald Trump because of the mere
(07:28):
mention of cutting government spending sends them into an apocalyptic situation.
And so they're resorting. They're desperate because they know they're losing.
They're going to lose the election unless something very unusual happens,
and you know, so they're desperate, and they pulled out
(07:49):
this card, you know, you know, making the connection with Hitler,
which was really there. Really should be pointing that finger
at themselves because they're the party that wants to control
people and manipulate the economy. And Musk is right, we
can cut two trillion dollars from the government. It's spending
(08:14):
has increased enormously. The deficit and the debt are out
of control. The interest expense is going to eat us
up over the next decade.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, we had all this spending at COVID, and even
Republicans don't talk about getting back to pre COVID spending. Oh,
we got to spend more money for the COVID, and
we haven't gone back to pre COVID spendings. And if
you do try to go back to pre COVID spending levels,
they say you're going to start babies and throw old
people off cliffs and disasters. So we have a real
problem in both parties in Washington on spending. Mark Thornton,
(08:46):
I appreciate you coming on senior fellow the Mesa's Institute.
Where do folks learn more about the institute and where
do they go?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
The quickest place is our web page, mises dot org.
We have a series of podcasts, my Minor Issues podcast,
which is a six and a half minute economic podcast weekly,
but we have a variety of those. We have all
sorts of books online. We have a series of daily articles,
(09:14):
and we have conferences and events for students and graduate
students and the general public. So there's tons of material
on there, and it's really written for the general population.
So don't be intimidated by the fact that we're an
economic web page where we also deal in political events
(09:35):
in libertarian political philosophy. So thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You got an m I ses looking up Misa's institute,
m I sees is how you spell it? Everybody stand by.
I got to take the break. It's laky on six
hundred k cool, Good morning,
I'm here and you're there, and I'm glad they're all
(00:02):
togethered here on the radio and miraculous how that happens.
All right, I'll get that Steve Laffey interview posted up.
We just did a good conversation with Steve as always. Also,
I finally got it rectified, and the interview I did
yesterday with Denesh Desusa is now up on my website,
so you can find that Jimmy Lakey dot com. J
(00:24):
I M M Y lak Y Jimmy Lakey. All right,
let me bring you into the conversation topics of well.
A great Institute is Mis's Institute, nonprofit organization assistant promoting
and teaching and researching the Austrian School of Economics, Individual Freedom,
(00:44):
honest History, international piece. And we always love having some
of the fellows from the Mesa's Institute with us. Mark
Thornton is a senior fellow. He joins us on the hotline.
Mister Thornton, Welcome to the show. Nice to have you
here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, Jimmy, it's great to be here with you in Colorado,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Very good. Well, let's dive in here. There have been
a lot of ranting that Trump or trump Ism or
Trumpanomics is fascist, as policies are fascist. And first of all,
I don't think people that use that word call people
him a fascist or a supporters a fascist. I don't
think they really understand the meaning of fascist, because he's
(01:23):
not a real good fascist if you go by the
real definition of it from my understanding. But talk about
these policies, I mean, people hear and they go, oh,
the policies must be bad, they must be fascist policies.
Help us break down the truth here, what is fascism
and is this fascism?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, I think the left and the progressives are just
calling the cattle black here, you know, because they're much
more like the actual fascist from history than Donald Trump
is at this point for sure, you know fascism Mussolini, Hitler,
the British fascist, an American fascists called progressives. They were
(02:04):
all about economic control over the individual, over the economy.
They wanted big government. They wanted big government spending and control.
They wanted the prohibition of alcohol in the police state.
They wanted the US involved imperialism overseas, much like these
(02:25):
other variations in other countries. So they wanted to control everything,
and that's kind of what the left today wants as well.
So I see them, as you know, calling Trump a fascist,
when in actual fact it's it's more of a reflection
upon themselves than anything else. And of course we saw
(02:49):
that at unbelievable heights during COVID, but we see it,
you know, in the Biden administration as well.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, you see some of these policies that happened in
the COVID, A lot of people have I think purged
them from their mind. They shouldn't. I mean, you had
in Tim Waltz's Minnesota police walking around shooting paintballs at
people that are on their front porch getting fresh air
because they left the confines of their own home. I mean,
those were the behaviors that you would expect from let's
say Hitler like leaders. I mean, if we're going to
(03:22):
make that awful hilarian about hitlerrism, really just got to
go back to some of these governors and their response
to COVID and how they treated their own people. You
had a Michigan Attorney General during COVID saying we're going
to lock up anybody who spreads misinformation about COVID, including
some things that turned out to be true, but she
(03:42):
was going to lock people up for free speech about
disagreeing with doctor Fauci and COVID. That is, those weren't
the policies of let's say, the Conservatives or the Republicans
out there, or the Donald Trump's.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, that's why COVID is such a great example, because
it really revealed people's true colors and the calling card
of the progressives and the left and fascism in general.
You can go back to Mussoli, you go back to
the National Socialists with Hitler is propaganda number one. I mean,
(04:17):
they try to convince you of the way the world
is according to them, and if that doesn't work, then
they resort to intimidation and threats and those sorts of things.
The police state, just the presence of the police state
intimidating people, no knock raids, you know, the paintball incidences
(04:41):
in Minnesota, you know, or even in other countries. It
was the same way where the left was, you know,
using propaganda and intimidation to get control. But of course
that control. They want control over everything, including the economy.
They want to be not you know, they don't want
to be running all of the industry in a country
(05:05):
the way the old Soviet Union used to do it.
They just want to control things, have the bureaucracy telling
people what to do, and you know, influencing their choices,
limiting their choices, creating all sorts of regulations and subsidies
and taxes, and you know, so their busy body, technocratic
(05:27):
bureaucrats writ large over the economy. But it really showed
through when it came down to really person to person
personal control over individuals' choices in their bodies. During the
COVID disaster, the.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Voice of doctor Mark Tott Thornton, excuse me, Mark Thornton
is on the hotline, and he said, with a Mesa's Institute.
We'll give their website here in just a moment, a
great foundation you might want to follow. I want to
ask you this question about, first of all, this rally
of Madison Square Garden that you had Waltz and some
of the media saying that was where the that's where
the Nazis held an event in nineteen thirty eight. Well,
(06:06):
that's like saying that where Kamma made his speech yesterday
is where the clan rally in nineteen twenty four. It's
just it's a stupid comparison. But for some reason, these
people make that about it. But at that rally, when
they're trying to make you think about this comedian that
made some off color jokes or what have you. Elon
Musk came out there and he says he's volunteered to
(06:27):
be a part of the Trump administration and he believes
he can save America two trillion dollars in government waste
and spending. Have you what are your thoughts on that
two trillion dollars. I mean, most people don't can't quantify
what two trillion dollars is, but it sounds like a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is a lot, But we're spending an enormous amount.
I mean, the increases in spending and the increases in
borrowing by the government have gone up enormously in recent years.
And we do need to cut two trillion dollars, but
I you know, it's got You know, people have been
hiding behind the frame government waste for a long period
(07:06):
of time and we just have got to drop that. Instead,
we need to start cutting government itself. We need to
start actually cutting government and their power to control us,
which is what the progressives hate, and that's why they
are vehemently opposed to Donald Trump because of the mere
(07:28):
mention of cutting government spending sends them into an apocalyptic situation.
And so they're resorting. They're desperate because they know they're losing.
They're going to lose the election unless something very unusual happens,
and you know, so they're desperate, and they pulled out
(07:49):
this card, you know, you know, making the connection with Hitler,
which was really there. Really should be pointing that finger
at themselves because they're the party that wants to control
people and manipulate the economy. And Musk is right, we
can cut two trillion dollars from the government. It's spending
(08:14):
has increased enormously. The deficit and the debt are out
of control. The interest expense is going to eat us
up over the next decade.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, we had all this spending at COVID, and even
Republicans don't talk about getting back to pre COVID spending. Oh,
we got to spend more money for the COVID, and
we haven't gone back to pre COVID spendings. And if
you do try to go back to pre COVID spending levels,
they say you're going to start babies and throw old
people off cliffs and disasters. So we have a real
problem in both parties in Washington on spending. Mark Thornton,
(08:46):
I appreciate you coming on senior fellow the Mesa's Institute.
Where do folks learn more about the institute and where
do they go?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
The quickest place is our web page, mises dot org.
We have a series of podcasts, my Minor Issues podcast,
which is a six and a half minute economic podcast weekly,
but we have a variety of those. We have all
sorts of books online. We have a series of daily articles,
(09:14):
and we have conferences and events for students and graduate
students and the general public. So there's tons of material
on there, and it's really written for the general population.
So don't be intimidated by the fact that we're an
economic web page where we also deal in political events
(09:35):
in libertarian political philosophy. So thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
You got an m I ses looking up Misa's institute,
m I sees is how you spell it? Everybody stand by.
I got to take the break. It's laky on six
hundred k cool, Good morning,
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