110624 Jeff Hays

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Again, Dave. God bless you, my friend. I appreciate you're
always a prolific emailer. Dave said, well, we won. I
hope you're feeling right now. Has started chemotherapy yesterday he
did so, God blessed Dave. We're praying for you. Everybody
pray for Dave. One of my regular emailers and a
regular listener out there, and he's started the old chemo.
God bless you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Dave.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right walking on the show. Good to have you here.
Jimmy Lakey is my name. It's News Talk six hundred K.
Col Let me bring into the conversation of the former
chairperson of the Colorado GOP. He has escaped to the
Great State of Texas, the Motherland. His name is Jeff Hayes.
He joins me on the hotline. Jeff Hayes, Good morning

(00:42):
to you, sir. How are you.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Good morning, Jimmy. I'm pretty excited, but you know I'm
always tempered with to those who much is given, much
is expected, and so you know, we probably have to
give ourselves twenty four to forty eight hours to celebrate.
But then you know, the Trump transition team and really
the entire Congress, they've got to figure out how to
start hitting the ground running. You got to be really

(01:05):
well prepared to execute as the American people, or at
least a little over half of them, expect a lot
of really good things out of them.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and I was telling my listeners earlier that you've
got to temper your expectations. I mean, Donald Trump my
ninety one yes, but really he's going to have this
first year. He's going to have both houses of Congress,
it looks like, and then you're going to end up
with a people starting to all the members of Congress,
and does one third of the Senate's going to be

(01:33):
up for reelection. You're going to hit election year, and
then after that you're going to hit the presidential election.
So there's going to be a lot of ground. If
Donald Trump was to accomplish a lot of stuff, he's
going to have to do it early on because things
in Washington are the spokes are going to get gummed
up here in about twelve to eighteen months.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Absolutely. And you know, you were talking about something I
was thinking about this morning, and some of your listeners
know what the pareto is, but you know it's basically
eighty twenty, which twenty percent of things. Can they get
done that's going to cause eighty percent of the six
because there's so much out there. You know, there's the DoD,
there's a Department of Justice, There's you know, economic issues,

(02:16):
there's it's just an entire landscape of things that the
Democrats really have boogered up during the Obama and the
Biden era, and you know, the Trump four years was
a bit of a blip. The thing that's kind of
exciting to me is that you know, he's don't run
from reelection. He's a he's a one term president. And boy,

(02:36):
probably seen when that guy, when he bites down on
a bone, he does not let go of it. And
so I hope that he will be able to kind
of drag kicking and screaming some of the congressional members
that might be tempted to get off beam a little bit,
you know, and start pursuing their own kind of crazy agendas.
Then I don't probably have to work who they are,

(02:57):
but you know they're going to be because people go
to Congress for different reasons. But you know, there has
to be a tremendous amount of focus, a tremendous amount
of hard work, and you know, the other there's so
many things that they could work on. But you know,
one of the things Democrats seem to be remarkably focused
on is how to maintain their political power. And so

(03:19):
I think on the Republican side, we need to be
a little bit ruthless in trying to be couple some
of those things are. You know, we talk about election integrity.
You know, there's lots of processes that happened at the
state party level, but or not to state party levels,
say government level in terms of elections. But you know,

(03:39):
whatever they can do at the federal levels to ensure
election integrity, that's going to be really important. Because really
do think I think on our side, especially these days,
we don't want cricket elections so we can win. I
think we leave and not renting naively, but I think
we believe that our ideas are better and that people
who can respond to freedom, liberty, economic success and things

(04:00):
like that, and they'll look for us if the election's fair.
So I think that'll be a big part of what
we try to do. And I got to tell you, Jim,
you know there's a lot of people, a lot of
your listeners probably think, well, what does an R n C.
Do you know what those what does a party do well?
I think this this iteration of the party has done
a really good job and you know, devolting and working

(04:21):
with a Trump campaign to develop the ground game, to
execute get out the vote efforts. Uh, they've been totally instinct,
and they were very aggressive and doing some legal challenges
before the election because you know, after the elections over
the courts don't have the guts to overturn an election.
So they were really good about going after things that
looked kind of shady or kind of stevie before the election.

(04:45):
So I really applaud them on that. You know that
Donald Trump, I mean he ended up winning this election. Uh,
you know, running away to a great extent. I should
consider what people thought was going to happen, and he
got outspent. I mean, I don't with the final I'm
just going to be but it's it's probably not going
to be two to one, but it might be close.
The Democrats raising the ungodly amount of money and you know,

(05:10):
they spent an ungodly amount of money right down here
in Texas and it was still a ten point victory. Anyway,
I'm rambling a little bit, but I wanted to make
sure that I left people in Colorada don't know how
grateful I didn't import Governor Greg Abbot here in Texas.
Governor Abbot was the guy. And then, you know, I
think Ron is saying it's following. I may have my

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cycle or my sequencing off, but he was the one
that nationalized the border crisis with all the bussing and all.
You know, it was a little bit of grand scheme,
but it surely made people aware that this is not
just a bunch of border states. This is not just
Texas and Arizona line and about illegal immigration. This is
a national problem. And what he did is he stuck

(05:54):
it stunn right in the eye some of these sanctuary states,
the sanctuary city and said, okay, here's you know you're
going to be all sanctimonious. Let's go ahead and see
how you deal with it the same way we've got
to deal with it every day. And so I do
give Greg Abbott and Tim Pashton down here are Attorney
general a heck of a lot of credit for nationalizing
that issue, because I think it was a big part

(06:15):
of the victory.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, I think that's going to be interesting. Guys. We
you know, Spike, your football's everybody celebrate today. You're Trump
fan and those who hate Trump you can go moren
and cry and do whatever you want to do. That's fine,
but we the nation's still here. We've still got America,
and I think everybody's got to do a post mortem.
Democrats need to do a post mortem, not just how
did you lose the presidency, but how is it that

(06:38):
you have lost seats in the Senate and probably going
to Republicans maintain the House. You've got to do some
naval gazing, and I think Republicans need to do some
naval gazing as well. You mentioned the transition. I hope
that Donald Trump, over that last eight years has done
some naval gazing as to his transition before. I knew
somebody on the transition team well in scott that transition team,

(07:01):
and he messaged me and I said, how's a transition going.
He goes, you can tell no one's done this before.
And he was like in the inner circle and he
was like horrified. Because Trump didn't go to DC eight
years ago with a list of names. He just a
lot of advice. I knew this stuff. I hope he
spent some time and make some better picks than he
did last time, because I'll be honest, some of his

(07:23):
picks last time sucked. It took him a while to
get it right. Then he didn't have a lot of
cooperation in the US Senate for confirmation. So hopefully this
transition is going to be better. Do you have any
names that you would like to see put into this administration?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
No, I really don't. I do feel good because he's
got a pretty ecumenical group that has been part of
the privately funded transition team. And you got really smart people.
You know, you think about people like Kelsey Gabbert, she's
really I think, very thought, very bright. You got the
Vick Ramaswami, you got Elon mush. I mean, there's so

(07:59):
many people well that are of that caliber that seemed
to be on this team right now. And I think
they've got a lot more focus, you know, to address
what you just said, I think that I don't think
he fully understood whether you'd be getting into you know,
I don't think he understood. You know, he punched the
swamp and it just didn't want to let go. And yeah,

(08:20):
you know, the guy's smart, Uh, he's savvy. I think
he has learned a lot. I think he was a
much better candidate this go around. You know, he couldn't
untrump Trump. He still had to make his heels. Snarky
biting comments and you know, trashing people. I mean, he
just does that. But I thought he was a much
more focused, you know, much better at staying on the

(08:40):
message than he was the last time. And so that
to me is you know, obvious proof that the guys learned.
He kind of understands how the political games played a
little bit more, you know. I mean you just kind
of think if if he enacts this integrated set of
economic policies number one, I mean it's all immigrated, you know,

(09:01):
if you really pay attention to what he was talking about,
everything from the border to defense to you know, international
policy to you know, basically the tax code changes that
he's proposing. If we can get those things and the
tide lifts all these boats, you just got to think
that this coalition is going to keep growing because you know,

(09:24):
all the pundits on TV, they're making a big deal
out of black males voted for him in a you know,
much higher rate and all this kind of stuff. Hispanics, well,
maybe we're turning the corner a little bit, and that
we're treating people like Americans instead of filling the blank Americans.
You know, I think that's one thing. A lot of people,

(09:45):
they really have gotten fatigued about it, unless you're in
that space, you know, unless you're one of those race
grifters that's making a living off of trying to create
a racial division. But you know, I just think that
we can start treating people more like Americans because the
the coalition that Donald Trump has built, you know, especially
like the lower the lower third, let's say, the socioeconomic wrong.

(10:10):
A lot of laborers, a lot of people that you know,
don't have higher degrees. People are out there just you know,
using their hands to make a living that transcends color,
that transcends race in the national organ and origin and
all those kind of things. And you know, if we
continue to elevate those folks, the entire country is going
to be better. So I will see how the Democrats

(10:34):
are fun. You're you're dead on the money. Many they're
not going to take twenty four hours off to Bomo.
And you've got people that are already trying to figure
out what went wrong and what they need to do next,
because they're all about power, you know, they're all about
trying to regain that position. They probably are death to
terrified that people are going to smoke them out and
try to figure out ways that they can't corrupt the

(10:54):
system so they can continue to win elections. Yeah, I'm
sure they're terrified, but they're not going to quit and
we're going to go away. It's unfortunate because you know,
it just your grandfather's Democrat party.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I guess. I guess that's the question is do the
Democrats do anything to kind of go Okay, how did
we If you kind of look at eve the last
ten twenty years, the Democrats were the party that wanted
Dick Cheney hung up and strung from the Hague because
of war crimes and warmongering and things like that. This
is just an honest observation. I don't have a red

(11:31):
jersey and blue jersey on. It's now the Republicans under
Trump that have become the anti war party. They have
become the uneducated, working class, blue collar party. That's been
a transition that's happened literally in the last ten to
twenty years. You would think that the other party would
want to say how did we lose that block of people?

(11:51):
And there's obviously some Republicans wondering how did those people
get in our neighborhood, how did they show up in
our party? We don't like those folks. Now, we've really
watched I guess, a transformation of metamorphosis of the Republican Party,
and it's happened right underneath our nose. And you would
like to wonder if the other party's recognizing the metamorphosis

(12:12):
happened on their party and if they're going to do
some I call it the navel gazing. Are they going
to try to figure out what happened?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh, I'm sure they will. You know, some of the
tactics that they've used for let's let's talk about that
lower one third of our economic Democrats. You know, one
of the ways the Democrats in the past have done
that is through racial division. They've really tried to hone
different racial groups. You know, they didn't one against another,
kind of a divide and conference strategy. And the Donald

(12:42):
Trump approach has been very unifying and not really addressing
people by their skin color or their national words. And
it's obviously you know that you talk about those things
in political campaign almost because people expect you to. But again,
when you're talking about listing the entire nation economically, and

(13:03):
you have evidence that that happens when you vote. When
you voted for this guy and you allowed those policies
to work, people did better, and then you had four
years of juxtaposition. The problem is that, you know, the
American electric has got a very short memory. And so
going back to what you said earlier, if we have
too many people in Congress that are trying to push

(13:23):
things that are like anti federalism and you know, things
like a national abortion ban. I mean, Jimmy and I
we're dead on the money. We know what we believe,
and I believe correctly on abortion, but it's not it's
a federalism issue. And we did a terrible job in
trying to message to people that you know, Donald Trump

(13:43):
doesn't won a national abortion ban. It's properly at the
state level. This is this is a correction and bad law.
And I don't know, we'll see, you know, you go
back and look, I'm not sure that there weren't people
on the Democrat side were looking at the same data

(14:04):
that the Republicans were looking at. It looked like Trump
was going to win when Biden was the president or
was the candidate. Excuse me, it looked like we were
going to stop them. They may have just said, well,
let's run her because she's terrible anyway, and you probably
not gonna win, but maybe we can pull one out
of the hat. The thing that is counter to that

(14:25):
is the amount of money that they were able to
raise the amount of people that believe that you know,
she probably had a chance to win. Either that or
they were just doing so they're doing that at a
self defunct but yeah, you know, she was really bad candidate.
I don't think that there are some people on the
Democrat side. I think he would have been much more
effective candidates. But they might not have wanted to run
this time because they thought they were going to get

(14:46):
born out of water.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, Gretchen Whitberg, Gavin knew some immediately is you know,
we're not the running because I think they said, gosh
what And again they're not going to say it publicly,
but they knew that if Kamala did, they were eight
years out from running because she would be able to
run for reelection and eight years is an eternity in politics.
So again they immediately disqualified themselves. I think when the
book is written, there's going to be a couple of

(15:11):
interesting behind the scenes stories that are told. Number One,
the decision to choose Tim Waltz, who's probably the dumbest
dude and goofiest man ever to be a VP candidate.
I mean, I think he was a disaster and what
he was really awful. I mean again, I didn't make
fun of him with you know whatever he's tampon tim
or what he was. He was a bad choice. So

(15:32):
Josh Shapiro would have been better. But again, I think
that's the story that's going to be told us. Why
didn't she choose Josh Shapiro because that would have helped
her in Pennsylvania, which she obviously did need. But she
chose Timmy Waltz, who was I mean, there's no other
way to describe him as just a horrible, horrible VP candidate.
As the postmortal. I want to hear that story when

(15:52):
it's told. I also want to hear the story about
old Joe Biden. We only have about sixty ninety seconds
left here, Joe Biden, Joe Biden, this morning has to
be going I told you guys, I could beat him
because there's no love loss between the Bidens and Kamala Harris.
They kissed on the stage, but behind the scenes, everybody's
known for four or five years that the Bidens, especially

(16:15):
doctor Jill Biden, does not lock Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well, Joe's ego and Ericance blew this thing to you.
If you just said I'm a four year candidate and
that's it, and everybody would have known, they could have planned.
But instead he tried to stick it out there, and
he basically got out over his skis. You know, his
age and his mental health just declined too rapidly for
him to be a viable candidate, so he stayed in
there too long. So really the fish kind of rocket

(16:39):
the head. I think he started with that. If he
had gotten out early and some of the other more
talented candidates could have gotten a chance to throw their
elbows in there and they would have had a legitimate primary.
I think it would have been a tougher race for
Donald Trump, I really do. But there's just too much
momentum they still would have had, you know, the Biden
Harris you know the result had But anyway, Yeah, I got.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Youared, Hey, Jeff Hayes. I got a couple of messages
this morning saying congratulations Ambassador Lakey, and how does that ring?
Does not sound good to you?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
We'll see you never know. I thought it was going
to be Ambassador Lakey after Romney, but he screwed that
election up. That was a guaranteed thing. Everybody stand by
Lakey on the radio side. A small chance six hundred
Casey well