Episode 124: Carter Page on Abuse and Power

The Russia collusion hoax was a false narrative pushed on the American public by partisan operatives at the intelligence agencies to preserve their power and silence their opposition and a patriotic American became their target. Newt’s guest is Carter Page.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
On this episode of Neutral. These false allegations started against
me from the very beginning. False evidence, complete lies. Going
back to the Dodgy dossier, every allegation in there, all
the people I've met, is a complete joke. The only
parts of the dossier that were included were those that
pertained a Carter Page, and some of that was corroborated.

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There was circumstantial evidence of collusion. There is direct evidence
I think of deception. I told you that I thought
there was a Kremlin clan and these were his allies.
I believe there was collusion. This is what the President tweeted.
So we now find out that it was indeed the
unverified and fake dirty dossier that was paid for by
crooket Hillary Clinton in a DNC that was knowingly and

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falsely submitted DEFAISA, and which was responsible for starting the
totally conflicted and discredited Mueller wedge hunts. Donald Trump is
trying to link the Steel Dossier with the start of
the FBI, which became the Mole investigation. Not accurate. Huxley
oh four oh seven. Page lived in Russia. During this time,
Page began dealings with gas from a giant oil and

(01:05):
gas company with ties to putin Special counsel Robert Mueller
has exonerated the President and his campaign on the question
of collusion. This is a definitive political victory for President Trump.
This is a big victory for Donald Trump. But this
is ace a win for this president and the news
is Trump won. This weekend, President and his campaign were vindicated.

(01:27):
A vindicated President Trump made his way back to Washington.
She has been vindicated by authoritative report. President has just
been vindicated in a very big way. There was no
coordination or conspiracy, so this vindicates the president on collusion. Hi,
this is new due to the virus. I'm recording from home,
so you may notice a difference in audio quality on

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this episode of News World. Carter Page is a model
American citizen, a graduate of the US Naval Academy's successful businessman.
He even served his country clandestinely as a source for
America's intelligence services. But all of that work was not
enough to protect Carter Page. When he had the temerity

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to support Donald Trump the president, he became a target
of the FBI and career Justice Department officials who wanted
to harass Trump the candidate and then on seat Trump
the president. In his book Abuse and Power, carter Page
himself tells the shocking and sordid story for the first time.

(02:32):
Carter Page is a private citizen who found himself in
the midst of a real life spy story for the Shore.
In his own words, I'm pleased to welcome my guest,
carter Page. Let me share with you an excerpt from

(02:54):
carter Page's new book, Abuse and Power. How an innocent
American was frayed and an attempted coup against the president
carter Rights quote. After three years of pushing their false
narratives in the American public, the Obama euro leadership of
the FBI, the CIA, and other intelligence agencies have gradually

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been exposed as partisan operatives. They created the Russia collusion
hoax to preserve their power and to silence their opposition.
Carter Page's case and the Faiza abuse surrounding the twenty
sixteen presidential campaign showcased their tactics, but he was hardly
the real target of their attacks. This was an attack

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on Donald J. Trump and the movement that he has led.
From the campaign trail and the Oval office, the people
charged with protecting our rights launched an assault in American
democracy and the core principles of justice and shrined in
the US Constitution. For a while there, he must have
felt like You're in the middle of a really bad movie.
I mean, all these different things are going on. You

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must have been very disoriented. I have to say, speaker,
Gang Rich, I had some good training like you. I
completed my doctorate, and I've had all kinds of great
academic and practical training throughout my life. But the one
training element that was the most helpful was a training

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program at the US Special Warfare Center in school down
in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and that prepared me for
the intense pressure and really the life threatening damages that
I was subjected to by an odd coalition between the
DNC their media allies in the Obama Biden administration. At

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the beginning, you actually had been helping US government. So
from that standpoint, you must have had almost a sense
of you had some kind of protection because they knew
who you were, and they knew that what you've been
doing had been for them. How did you come to
group the reality that I actually came to the realization

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very early in the last presidential election cycle because I
kept getting these false allegations again. I was an unknown
quantity at the time, and the DNC had a multimillion
dollars smear operation to basically take down then candidate Trump
via a lot of people that he was associated with.

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It was all false allegations, as has now been proven
based on the very preliminary investigations that have happened so
far by the US Department of Justice, off some Inspector General,
the US Congress, both in the Senate and the House,
in terms of some of their preliminary investigations. But it's

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really just the tip of the iceberg. And I think,
as you're correctly alluding to, what was done to me
shouldn't be allowed to happen to anyone, and particularly a
candidate for the presidency. I mean, these people within government
abuse their oath of office, and in doing so, they

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abuse the US Constitution. And it really is a terrible situation.
And I think we're just at the start of really
fighting back and getting some justice here, not just for me,
but for all innocent Americans and people that love their country.
Isn't part of this not just about you as a person,
But if we allow this kind of behavior to go

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on punished, every American citizen is potentially at risk for
the kind of abuses that you were put through. Yes, absolutely,
I guess the one small silver lining is that with
these revelations, after amazing research and work done by the

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US Senate Judiciary Committee under Chairman Grassley and Chairman Graham,
and also the House Intelligence Committee under then Chairman Devin Nunez,
they really started to uncover it. But unfortunately there has
not been a full reckoning yet. And that was really
the objective of this book. With so many lies that

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are still driving the narrative, as you've talked about, related
to a lot of other false information campaigns in the
media and by the Democrat Party over the last several years,
it's essential to have some semblance of truths out there.
And what my book does is really laid out the
important fundamental facts which have not been fully understood by

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the American public and more importantly US voters, particularly now
as we're heading into this critical election in less than
two months. Here, I was astounded how the system used
the Steele dossier when it was so clearly false and

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so many different ways. I mean, when you look back
on it, it wasn't an almost willful blindness for them
to continue pretending that that was a serious document. Everything
you're saying is correct. The only thing I would question,
I think which Chairman Grassley, Chairman Graham, Chairman Johnson, so
many other senior members of Congress have stated based on

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their in depth investigations thus far, is the willful blindness
is actually the best case scenario. I think there is
a lot of serious evidence that it goes beyond that,
and I think in many cases, in the interests of
advancing their political and personal interests, the Democrats did disintentionally,

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and I think there's a lot of evidence related to
that which continues to grow as we dig into more
of the details of what exactly happened in the last
presidential election cycle. My first campaign was in nineteen seventy four.

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I remember Watergate, which started out as the break in
and Nixon ultimately get caught up in the cover up.
But the more of the evidence comes out to clear
it is that the chain runs all the way up
to Biden Obama in White House meetings where they specifically
discussed these things, and where we now have records that

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they discussed these things. Doesn't that make this the dramatically
bigger political scandal and threat to our system than anything
we saw on Watergate. You're absolutely right, and it goes
so much further that small break in that occurred in
the Watergate hotel. It would be interesting to put that

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in dollar terms, how much did political operatives in Washington
pay for that operation than twenty twenty dollar terms adjusted
for inflation. What we know for sure is that this
was a multimillion dollars smear campaign funded by the DNC
through all kinds of cutouts. There were political consultants as

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well as their lawyers, right, which has all kinds of
implications in terms of attorney client privilege or the attempt
of hiding between that veil. And oh, by the way,
this actually used foreign agents. These are people operatives overseas

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literally using the term collusion. These foreign agents, paid for
by the Democrats were colluding literally with Russian sources, as
has now been uncovered only recently, just in the last
couple of months. Again, there was this big four and

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eighty page US Department of Justice Inspector General report about
the FISA abuse against myself as a way of damaging
then candidate Trump and throughout the early start of his administration.
But what we now know and what has been disclosed
through all these unnecessary redactions. The Senate has uncovered that

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one of the redactions was literally Russian disinformation. All of
these false smears. These operatives of the Democrat Party and
their colleagues were leveraging Russian disinformation throughout. So I think
your characterization is absolutely right. There's a lot that needs
to be done to rectify this. Well, you describe it.

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Who's manipulating who? When were the Russians manipulating Obama and
the Democrats or Obama and Democrats manipulation in the Russians.
This is another example of core questions that have not
been fully uncovered. Right, My story in this spy thriller
is just basically laying out the truth, and there were

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some terrible offenses against American democracy that were committed. It
really is the responsibility of all Americans to push back
and demand that the Congress and the operatives within the
US Department of Justice and in our federal bureaucracy finally
give the full story, because these are terrible crimes that

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were committed and there really hasn't been full justice yet.
And I think particularly now as we're so close to
the next presidential election, it's essential that American voters know
the full truth, and this is really a call to action.
When did you first realize that there was a problem.
At the very beginning the summer of twenty sixteen, I

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started getting these terrible calls from journalists. The first run
actually was from the Wall Street Journal. One of the
Wall Street Journal reporters texted me saying, we've heard these
allegations that you are working with these sanctioned Russian officials.

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And they named two names, one of whom I'd never
even heard of, and the other who was a massive
power player in Russia. This guy Sechin, who is the
head of Rosneft, the largest oil company in Russian who
I've never met in my entire life, neither of whom
I had met. And I set the Wall Street Journal straight,
But I kept getting these calls New York Times, Washington Post, CNN,

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so many big news outlets asking these same allegations. And finally,
because I have served the US intelligence community and I
do have some contacts therein and I got the word
in I believe early September twenty sixteen that this effort

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to dig up dirt involving foreign operatives was paid for
by the Democrats, So I knew quite early on, and
then sure enough, my world was really turned upside down
on September twenty twenty sixteen, when this blockbuster report, again
all filled with false allegations, was filed by the reporter

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Michael Isikoff and was used as part of the basis
for the next month in October of twenty sixteen, for
this abusive process by the Obama Biden administration and the
operatives within their DOJ and the FBI to spy on
the Trump campaign via myself. Then you discover that the

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people who you'd actually been working with apparently didn't talk
to the people who have decided you were guilty. You
had a pretty long record of actually being a reliable
associate of the American government, not an enemy absolutely. And look,
I think this all comes down to a difference of
political opinions, right, a different vision in terms of US

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foreign policy. And it was a real retribution, as we
now understand through what has been uncovered with these really
aggressive intelligence operations by the Obama Biden administration. It was
just a way of infiltrating, based on totally false information
and allegations to miss portray me from the very start

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as something I was not. I've served my country going
back to the early nineteen nineties when I was a
US Naval officer after graduating from Annapolis, and have served
my country ever since in various ways. So somebody who
has your record and going to Annapolis served in the

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Navy actually been helpful to the intelligence community. If somebody
can be framed to way you were, then isn't it
fairness adversity? Anybody is at risk if the deep State
really wants to go after them. Absolutely, and there has
been more work and more things that have been uncovered.
Just last week, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals had

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a big case which they called many of these surveillance
operations illegal. I mean it has now been set straight.
You mentioned Watergate and the fallout. There were steps that
were taken by the US Congress signed into law by
the President in the nineteen seventies known as this Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act, and various provisions within that were actually

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manipulated and used in very aggressive ways, not only to
spy on the Trump campaign via myself, but again per
that Ninth Circuit decision, it's now been established that several
of these programs in having much broader application against all
American citizens have now been shown to be illegal. What

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President Trump and his administration have been calling for is
really a reckoning. I mean, he has been abused in
a way which is totally unprecedented in US history, and
it's important that steps are taken to reform this system
as he has called for. These are really human rights,

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civil rights abuses, and it's actually astonishing. He occasionally look
up and think between the news media, the intelligence community,
the FBI, the Justice Department, the Democrats in the House,
the fact that he's still standing is astonishing. I fully agree.

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As I explain in the book, you look at what
I've gone through, and it's a small pittance compared to
what he has somehow endured. It's really a testament to
his character. And this essentially has taken over my life
over the course of the last four years. And the
reality that he's been able to achieve so much despite

(18:23):
these extraordinary headwinds is truly amazing, and I think it's
something that sort of gets lost in the bigger picture,
because when you take a step back and look at
the full portrait of what happened over the last four
or five years, it's truly amazing what he's nonetheless been
able to do despite these extraordinary crimes against a loyal

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American citizen. Do you think that the greater need is
for effective enforcement the existing law or do we actually

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need some additional laws to take into account these new
kinds of behavior. It's a great question, and I think
the reality is it's a little bit of both. On
September first, there was a big press release from DOJ
talking about some additional steps that they're taking to enhance

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compliance and oversight and accountability at the FBI, which was
so severely misused to damage the then candidate for the
presidency and throughout the early years of his administration and
to a large extent to this day. But alongside that,
I mean, these are just policy changes, and the abuses

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and the crimes that were committed goes just beyond bas policy.
This is the core of the US Constitution in terms
of fundamental civil rights which are the foundation of our country.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, these are laws that have
been completely obliterated, and the whole basis upon which they

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were enacted and signed into law by the President in
the nineteen seventies have been totally ignored. So it's a
little bit of both. There are additional steps that need
to be taken, absolutely, but I think more fundamentally, we
need to return to the basic principles which have been
the foundation of our country since the very beginning, at

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the start of our new Republic. Well, I just want
to tell you that what you've done is citizenship at
its best. You were an active citizen and serving in
the Navy. You're an active citizen in helping your country
gather intelligence. You're willingness to stand take the heat and
not buckle is in the best tradition of American citizenship,

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and your willingness to continue fighting for reform is in
that tradition. So I want to thank you for what
you've done, what you continue to do. I want to
urge people to get your book, Abuse and Power, How
an innocent American was framed in an attempted coup against
the President. Right there, you capture one of the most

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important moments in our history, and you're a witness to
it at a personal level. And I know how much
this must have cost you psychologically and financially, and I
just want to thank you for hanging in there as
a good American. Well, thank you so much, speak for
getting rich, and now I'll answer your questions. Kathleen are

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from Illinois, ask what do you think is the most
effective way to count under the negativity and lies of
what used to be the mainstream press. It is almost
impossible to discuss Trump's many achievements when the news media
does not cover or even acknowledge him. Now one of
the president has such an overwhelmingly unfavorable reading. Well, Kathleen,

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I think that the best way to offset it is
social media, putting things out of yourself on Twitter or Facebook,
emailing your friends, calling in to talk radio. This is
not like the America of forty or fifty years ago,
where three networks dominated everything. And the truth is, despite

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as you point out, five years of unrelenting hostility for
the president, his social media network is so large and
his support from talk radio and from Fox is so
great that he actually fights to about a time. It's
been an amazing achievement on his part to be able
to do that, and I think that we have to
give him some credit. That's a great question, and it's

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something we all have to work on. And you personally
can play a role, both on your own social media
and in interacting with talk radio and interacting with various websites.
You can read more about Carter Page's new book, Abuse
and Power, How an innocent American was framed in an

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