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so good morning to Houston. Iknow that's a lot will bounce around a
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make our way along here, butlet's start with a thought shall we focus

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on these Texas. They're in sportsright now. I think many of us
will agree with this. We throwaround these terms all the time. This
player's great, that players great.Ain't that many great players in the history
of the league pick a league sospecifically in pro football we throw around great

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too much. Another term generational.Gordy goes crazy when somebody says Trouble Lawrence
is a generational quarterback. I don'tthink Adam J. Wexler of the A
team is to have been sold onTrevor Lawrence's generational. But that's one of
those terms. Here's another one,Connor, don't you hate when they say,
oh, he's a lockdown corner.In the history of the league,

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there's like ten dudes that fit thatcriteria. Every good corner, every great
corner, is not a lockdown corner. This is that we just go crazy
with something this stuff. And soI'm having a conversation and I'm looking at
some stuff from a Texan standpoint,and the question has been thrown out there

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and we'll unpack this now for you, Houston. Do the Texans have a
number one wide receiver? Should theTexans be pursuing in free agency? And
or the draft a number one widereceiver, and at first glance, we

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I'll probably say the same thing.Look at the you. Nico had fantastic
year career year from him. Ithappened to come at a good time.
Brother's playing for a lot of money. I said to you yesterday. And
it's no disrespect to Nico and tosome degree tanked there. Those two healthy
not enough also have not seen thosetwo consistently be healthy. Now some of

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you are on my social media atstand sportsman about Stamp damn you always talking
about Mike Evans or insert other receiver. Yeah, because as I said yesterday,
you better be able to score somepoints, and the receivers help you
do that more than any other positionplayer or skill. You better be able

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to score. And I have flippedand I think about Colin Cowherd because cay
Herd and I used to see footballthe same way in this regard. Wide
receiver used to be ten years ago, a little bit less than ice it
on the cake now priority And ifyou don't have one, you probably aren't

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winning a ton of games, andcertainly postseason games. So I decided that
I would do two things. One, let's do a little revision is history.
Let's go back and look at theteams that had guys that were legit
number one. You know what,Paul's there, I'll digress. Let's define
number one. Kind of play alongif you will. Gord is not here,

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so I can't pick on him.I know you got the other things
you need to do and get readyfor other segments. But when I ask
you to define what is a numberone wide receiver? What does that look
like? I mean, that's tough. I try and base it off other
wide wide receiver number ones on otherteams, and somebody who can handle being

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targeted on third downs and know he'slike getting the ball, Yep, can
handle when the DB's and the secondaryis focusing their defensive game plan on him.
I still be able to succeed,Yep, even though he's a number
one focus. Love all that,And this is stemmed from a thought that
I saw from and I'm reaching fornow. Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network.

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He's on the Mood to Stick podcast. He and Bucky Brooks their long
time NFL scouts, and he postedthis yesterday after we got off the show.
Everyone has their own definition of numberone wide receiver, he says,
for him on third down and inthe red zone, everybody in the stadium

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knows that you're getting the ball andthe defense can't do anything to prevent you
from scoring. Now, he orfrom catching the football. He as,
there's a young wide receiver in thisyear's class. We'll come back to that,
all right. So those are twoelements, Connor, you concur with
that assessment, all right? Sothen I text the coach and I said,

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he, for you, offensive mindedcoach, what's a wide receiver one?
He was? His response, hesaid, he agreed with Daniel Jeremiah
Renz on third down? Must bea chain and mover. Is he an
elite catcher of the football? Means? Does he track it well? Does
he go across the middle? Doeshe catch with his hands? Are the

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elements and issue like, is hea consistent elite catcher of the football?
Route running? Is the whole treeat your disposal? Does his skill translate
regardless of opponent and or quarterback he'splaying with or other teammates. I'll give

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you an example. Indy Kollow andI used to have this conversation and healthy
debate all the time. There wasa time I considered Nuke Hopkins the best
receiver in the league because I sawhim with a mere different quarterback, with
dudes that were ballers and all prosand other positions, and I saw him
in years that he did not havethat Newke Hopkins at that time number one,

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and I saw him do it consistently. Another reason I love Mike Evans
a lot of the same reasons.So when I think about the Texans roster
right now and I think about,all right, does Tank Dale and more
so, this is a Nico conversation. Nico is number one in every receiving

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category for the Texans outside of one. I think his average per catch he
failed to number two, So he'sat worst second on every receiving category this
season. Are you banking that he'sgoing to do that again? We've yet
to see him through three years doback to back years like he just had

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now with CJ. Stroud, secondyear Bobby Sloyd, healthier offensive line.
My god, if they can getthe running game going, maybe let us
go to how you win championships,which if you heard the show yesterday,
you can go back in this notionthat the Texans had just better focus on
who's on their schedule, and noKansas City has been in the last six

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bleep in AFC Championship games. Ifyou're in the AFC, yass better be
thinking about Kansas City. How doyou go beat them? Who was that?
Nick Wright, formerly of local Houstonradio now on Fox Sports one,
told us in a sound bite yesterday, the team that closest resembles the Joe
Burrow led Bengals. That's the onlyteam to beat Kansas City in the AFC

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title game. How did they doit? It was offense? Yes,
they spent free agent dollars on defense. Offensive mind the head coach, But
when you got Higgins and Tyler Boydand Chase and the guy, they went
and got a zoom of the tightend, mixing and p run in the
backfield like maroon, you must score. So we'll do this said, We'll

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continue this on the other side.I'll open up the phone lines for this
as well. Seven one three,two, one two five, seven ninety.
Let's just chronicle this real quick,San Francisco. Is our you pretty
good? Is he a number one? Okay? All right? Well,
now in Kansas City, the numberone is not a wide receiver. It's

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a tight end. It's Travis Kelsey, Philadelphia Eagles. They got two ones.
Some would say n aj Brown andDevonte two super Bowls before that.
Cincinnati Bengals didn't win it, butthey got there Super Bowl before that.
There's Kansas City again. Oh that'swhen kn'a City had Tyreek Hill. He's

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the number one. The Tampa BayBuccaneers win the Super Bowl. Tom Brady
comes to town, Mike Evans thousandyards again, gets busy. We can
keep going. We can go allthe way back towards this twenty the twenty
nineteen season. I think that's right. I apologize. Twenty twenty two,
Rams Cooper Cup at that time,number one wide receiver won the Triple Crown

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in the league, most catches,touchdowns, yards, went to the Super
Bowl, won it. Cooper Cup, badass, he's a one. So
you trying to get in this game, the last game of the season in
NFL, you better have you aguy that meets these criterias. Route running,
third down, red zone, regardlessof who's throwing you the ball,

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regardless of the other ten guys inthe huddle, And can you do it
consecutive seasons? Right now, HoustonTexans don't have one of those guys.
So if we want to maximize thiswindow that CJ is in, you better
go find one. Maybe Nico andor Tank developed to that hope they do.

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But if you have the opportunity,the cap space and the offense is
conducd. I know they want torun the football, but they also gonna
have to take shots. Better goget your one? How you guys show
about that? Seven one three,two one two five seven ninety. Also,
potential wide receivers have popped up courtesyof the mock draft knicks. I

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think this ties exactly to the conversationwe're having now. It doesn't have to
be Mike Evans, it doesn't haveto be Calvin Ridley. Maybe it's one
of these young boys. How manyof these young guys classify as prospects that
can translate to be ones we're gettingwarmed up on the Thursday. Next Up
is the name of the show,seven ninety, name of the station stand

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Northfleet. It's just a five ChrisCordy, Next up, the next up
mentality on your radio. Everyboully thatyou go through prepares you for the next.
Welcome back to next Up on SportsTalk seven ninety. Though the work
you put in. It definitely shows, you know, but I feel for

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me is more. I gotta continueto continue to be me, continue to
work on the things I feel likeI need to work on. There's definitely
more room for improvement, and Ijust continue to, you know, find
what works for meat man and continueto be myself. Ball Oh, come
with Tony. That is the voiceof Texans number one wide receiver nic O'Collins.
Welcome back in the next up comingto the phone lines here in just

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a second, got Alan Michael inthe heights on the horn seven one three
two one two five seven ninety AndI saw a post yesterday from Daniel Jeremiah
of NFL Network and NFL dot Com, and he was profiling wide receivers that
are coming out of college into thedraft this year. And one or two
of his qualifiers for what a numberone wide receiver is is obviously third down

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in red zone. So it justgot me thinking, all right, let's
expand on that. What else doesa number one receiver do? Catch?
Radius, route running? Can youcash in when it's time money time?
Can you get it? Nico checkedyes to a lot of that this season.

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According to Pro Football Focus, NicoCollins was the third highest graded wide
receiver including the regular season and postseasonin the league this year, behind Tyreek
Hill at one Brandon Ayuk of theforty nine ers at two. Nico had
a hell of a year. Thequestion I'm asking is what is your definition

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of number one and does do theTexans currently have that guy? Gordi,
I come to you before we goto the phones, because I set it
up coming into the show, likedefine number one wide receiver? Do the
Texans have one? And then theevolution is if they don't, do you
a wait on Nico to develop tothat b go get that guy free agency

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and where we're ultimately going this morning, See, go get that guy in
the draft if he's available when youpick. Yeah, it's an interesting debate.
You know you said that. Thatstory from from Matt Miller basically basically
says, you know, the conversationon Okay, it's uh what it's a
third on third down the red zone. Daniel Jeremiah Jan Jeremiah stated a third

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down in red zone, he identifieda prospect coming out that's a one.
See. I don't even think ofred zone. I just think huge third
down. Who's my guy? Whoam I going to uh, who's everybody
double teaming? You know? Allthat is a part of it. Guys
in their prime. You know,I think to Michael Thomas with the Saints
for years. I look at JustinJefferson with the Vikings. Right now we
know third and eighteen. We knowwhere Kirk Cousin is going. It's it's

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going to Justin Jefferson. So that'sthat's how you define a number one guy.
You know, Miami, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Wattle's good, but Tyreek's
the game changer. He's gonna he'sgonna make it. So for the Texans
this year, look, there wasa stretch Tank Dell was becoming, you
know, CJ's kind of go toguy. But I still think overall,
for compassing the year, Nico Collinsestablished himself as a one. See,

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I think Nico had a number oneyear. I can't call him a truth.
We can't be putting Nico in thesame breath with CD Lamb and Tyreek
and Jamar Chase and Justin ja.He can't be in that for the levels.
But no, no, I'm sayingit's not. Now. Stylistically,
you can go about your business adifferent way but to be classified as a

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tier, you're a one. Justbecause you're somebody's number one receiving option doesn't
make you a number one wide receiver. I don't know what you're saying,
but Chicago, Chicago, Justin Fieldswill tell you DJ Moore is their wide
receiver one. He may not havehim on a high tier, but to
them, that's their And there's areason DJ Moore hadn't been in the damn

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championship game. When you go backover the last ten years in the NFL,
if you don't have a Hall ofFame, damn hint coach, or
you don't have a historic defense,you better go get you some dudes that
can score points. Cooper Cup especiallyat that time, no doubt about it.
One he won the triple crown inthe league. Mike Evans one,
Tyreek one. Seven of their tengames this year, eight Nico Collins to

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the playoff, I'm sorry whatever.Seven of their regulations games this year,
Nico Collins receiver was targeted nine times. O god, I'm that tells me
you are my number one wide receiver. Not disputing that. The conversation I
think takes the next step when yougo is he around the league. Number
one. If Nico was a freeagent right now and he was on the

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open market the way we're talking aboutMike and the way many of us talk
about t Higgins with Nico Collins inthe open market right now, get a
contract comparable with ty Reek's at thetop of the market at thirty mil.
You got Ceede. Lamb's gonna becoming up getting money in a little bit.
You got guys up there. Ithink DK metcalf Is at twenty four
to twenty five million. What wouldNico get on the open market right now

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would tell us how the league viewshim? Are you a one? There's
one more thing I need to seefrom Nico. Can you stay healthy and
do it again? That's it?And while I'm asking Cassario is if you
all who have the medicals, youknow what has ailed Nico over these three
years. If you aren't convinced he'sone, stop wasting time. And I'm

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not saying they, oh, I'mjust hyperbolic having a radio show. Here
go get one. What do thepeople say, Gordon, Let's go to
the phone line. Shot we sevenone three two one two five seven ninety
Why I get my mouse to work? Would you punch up all for me.
Please, Connor al on the southside get in here on a Thursday.
Whatever, Hey, what's going on? Hey, this is a great

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conversation and I'm gonna say this here, you know my resume. May I
hope the Hammer and Kyl get thisthing down because I think it's a tough
question because the thing about it is, Faan is this Nico Ain't never had
no quarterback. So finally he hitshis first year with a good quarterback elite
and then it's his third year andyou said it, he got to stay

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health, that's the catch. Butyou definitely want a guy that's all pro
pro bowler, not saying that youcan't plug the top line guy. And
then because CJ's trying to elevated hisgame completely. And then the thing about
it is he needs to be available. We know that health is a issue.
He needs to be available and alsoa number one some of the most

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of them with what depends on theoffense saying you need to be able to
block. You see what I'm saying, So what what what? What?
What? What would Demiko ran haveto look at? Look at the tape?
You got to if you're gonna runthis offense, like Brisco, they
got a kill, can block them. Guys hunted down the bield for metap

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all blocked the dude, saying them, dudes block for I don't mind go
and get that boy. I youI don't mind getting average, bro.
You got to have a simple gamechanger. It's okay for Nico to have
that season, but you need toimprove on that. You need to put
some guy now that's a game changer. All pro with c J. Strout

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while the money is available, andthat's how you need to roll Al on
the south side. Appreciate it,my boy, Jamal Midtown, get in
this conversation. You're next up Fleetand Gordon. All right, good morning,
fleeting Gordon. Thank y'all for exceptin my call. Man to me,
a number one wide receiver is someonethe other team game planing for.

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I don't think the other team's gameplaying for Nico, and they showed in
the playoffs, man, so that'swhat I'm gonna leave it at that and
hang up, thank y'all. It'san interesting thought. Playoff Nico. I
don't have his numbers up, butI think of the two playoff games they
played, I think he led themin receiving one of those games, yeah,
but both of them. Did helead him in receiving both games?

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Pull like you're talking yards of receptions, because to me, it's it's it's
targets and receptions. To me,is I go yards over receptions? Well,
but then you could have a big, big play target that finishes with
two Did I score catches one hundredyards? Yeah, if both of those
catches, if one of those twotouchdowns, I'm good. Yeah. This
game is about scoring points. Iget it. But the guy that's targeted

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nine, ten, eleven times,that is my go to guy. I
trust him with everything. I'm goingto him. I'm looking for him constantly.
Damn it, Tom, I'm havinga conversation about number one wide receivers
in here. Unless you're gonna addto the conversation, get the cameras.
Both games he was he was thego to guy. Six six catches,
ninety six yards and a touchdown againstthe Browns that was far and away the
leader. And then against the Ravensfive catches sixty eight yards. Uh,

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leading receiver west side Joe getting hereon this wide receive a conversation. We're
not bagging on Nico. We allcelebrate the year that he had. Texans
wouldn't have had the record they hadwithout Nico. The question on the table
is, as I've outlined it isdo they need to go get a one
or do you wait on me goto become one. I think the answer

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to that question is already he's anumber one too from what you guys looking
at. Now, let's take whathappened the year A couple of years before.
He didn't have an elite coaching staff, nor did he have an elite
quarterback when he first came in theleague. Now, you said earlier staying
that he take a look and seewhy he was hurt. A lot of
times those players sit out or look. Well, now I wouldn't say sit

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out, but I want to say, you know, fake injury, because
hey, man, we're looking atthe quarterback Davis Neills throwing in my ball.
Man, it wasn't a good look. I wouldn't get myself shoot off.
Because he had an idea that hewanted to become a number one to
prove, and that's what he donehis first year when he had a quarterback.
So let us see what he goesafter the next year and see what

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he pays out to you, butthis year, Yeah, he's the number
one, and I'll hang up thelist. All right, my man,
Joe on the west side. Wegot a break, we'll come back.
We will continue this conversation, Gordi, because one of your Bayou Bengals popped
up in an evaluation. That's goodfor the Houston Texans. I'm gonna get
your insight on this, gentleman,as we continue flushing out. Do we
want Demico on Cassio to go getanother receiver that could become a one sign

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a free agent that already is aone, and or wait for Nico to
prove he's a one again. Fascinatingtalk, that's why you're listening. Next
up on Sports Talk seven ninety Tothe Neck to the Control. This is
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Or Vleez and Chris Gordy on SportsTalk seven ninety. Wow, you play,

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ask you to start good protection.Here's it out for Collins, He's
got it one play touchdown Texans.Nico got busy on the coast. CJ.
Stroud, Nico Collins, tug y'allremember the game, yeah up in
Indianapolis and I think that was thegame for me. If I'm recalling my

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social media correctly, that I posted, Gordon Texans, you have a number
one ride receiver. I should haveput a qualifier for this year for him
to be in the class with allthose other dudes that we know are legit
number ones, all those dudes thatare playing in championship games and Super Bowls.

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I need to see him do itagain. Now. I need to
see something different from Tankdale. Tankdaleis not just health like some people are
ready to just call Tank a onebecause we like Tank well Stan, He's
not just a slot. You don'tknow what the formation is that the coach
has dialed up. You don't knowwhat the sight adjustment is. You can

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be the X in motion in andnow you do become the slot. You
can line up as the Z andbased on the route formation and adjustments by
the defense, now he's the thirdoption. You don't know. We're not
in a meeting room. And Ido see some of the numbers about Tank
Dell in the slide and his productionactually is bet on the outside in certain
games. I'm not getting all that. The bottom line is for me,

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which is why being so hell beengiven the free agent class of wide receivers
that may be available, go spendsome money and get you a dude that
we know. Get him the ballso we can avoid what the hell happened
in Baltimore in the playoffs. That'swhy, man, I want to get
to the college game, Gordon withyou. I want to take two calls
because your buyou Bengals popped up onsomething that impacts the Texans. Let's go

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back to the phones if we could. Michael and Heights appreciate your patience.
Man, good morning. What up? Dude? Hey man, I think
a number one wide receiver for me, he's got to be a diva.
I hate that term, but Iunderstand what I'm kidding. No, no,
no, I think a number oneour receiver. I think if you're

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covering him and when you slip halfa inch, she's gone to the house.
You know, he's like a playmaker. That's what I think. A
number one are wide receiver. Anddo you think is going to be that
guy in twenty twenty four? Idon't know. I mean, I think
he's going to be like a oneA or like a you know what I
mean. I don't know if he'sgonna be number one, So I mean
he's I don't want him off theteam. No, actually thought there,

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Yeah, I actually thought because hewas his his production was so poor,
I thought they were going to cuthim, you know, because like he
was a late round pick whatever,he never really produced, Like, okay,
move on. But yeah, Imean, but he's awesome. But
oh, man, I think inthe draft free agency you get as many
weapons as you can. Man.Actually, hey, I got a question

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for you guys. Guess how manyone thousand wide receives, one thousand yard
receivers the Chiefs had this year?How many thousand yard receivers the chief had
the Chiefs didn't have him, Yeah, exactly. They averaged four yards four
and a half yards of carry andten yards per catch like Travis Kelsey average
almost eleven yards per catch. Sothat tells me they're getting five yards on

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a run, and their defense wasawesome, so they were getting short fields
and you know, they were winning. So that's the formula average yards per
rush, per carry. I thinkwe could run the ball, that'll kind
of because we could not run theball. I mean, there's no way
to slice it any other way,no doubt. Gordy I did hear something
that compliments what Michael and the Heightsis saying. And I'm sure Michael is

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not alone. I said when Iopened up the show, Gordion, you
weren't here yet. I opened upthe show with unless you've got a historically
great quarterback, defense, or headcoach, or some combination of those three,
then you probably better go get yousome guys. And so yes,

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the way Kansas City went about theirbusiness, Travis Kelsey is a Hall of
Fame tight end. He's gonna befirst ballot. We all know that he's
their number one receiving threat. Butmy home in the way they go about
their business. I saw graphic,Gordy. It tracked the actual yards that
the ball that Mahomes throw in theair, the air yards they've come down

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for Mahomes every year the last fouryears, he was towards the bottom in
the NFL. The average time theball was in there, the average yards
Gordon was like under four yards.But yet, because he's him, because
Andy Reida's him, they have thattype of productivity, so you can do
it some different ways. They've gota Hall of Fame tight end. If
the Texans had one, I mightbe having a different segment. Well,

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doesn't feel like they ran the footballbetter this year than other years. I
mean they finally kind of figured out, Yeah, Pachecko was running angry.
P Checko kind of took over thatrole at clyde Erward Zeeler. They down
all the bass a couple of yearsago, So maybe that's the reason why
they didn't have to be high flying. You can do it different way.

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I just think you have more FLEXIbit like we've seen Brady win different ways.
We've seen Peyton Manning win different ways. Those are the all time great
dudes. Until you get there,you better go get you some guys.
And hell, even Brady and Manningthey had number ones when they were getting
it done the majority of the time, or a good portion of the time

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in the case of Peyton Manning.Let's grab one more Gordon, then we'll
talk about the LSU football program.Steve on the Northwest side what I hey,
guys, Well, my opinion isis that I think Nico became the
number one receiver when Dell went downbecause after Dell went down, everybody knew

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where the ball was going and Nicostill got opened. Still they exceptional plays,
no question, My thing is Iwould like to get in Evans.
I mean, Evans would be idealfor this team, but he's up there.
I think he's what twenty eight tothirty something like that. Evans is

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twenty nine ish, I forget hisexact age, but he's knocking them or
thirty. Yes, so yeah,maybe a two year contract. But I
think we need to go through thedraft. I know Harrison, Marvin Harrison
Junior is going to be gone,obviously, but there there are some good
receivers out there. I think weneed to go through the draft and draft

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somebody so that this team, thisteam can build together and and and become
well one of the top defense ouroffenses in in the league. I agree
with Steve on the northwest side.Gordy Matt Miller is an NFL draft nick
scout officionado for ESPN. This morning, he put out an article a write
up on here are the actual guysthat would have a first round grade and

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damn near any draft. Here arethe true dudes And how many guys did
he say? Did he say sixteen? Well, I'm trying to pull it
up here pretty quick. He hadfirst round a more realistically around fifteen per
class earn real first round grades.Da da da da da, So I
can't add them all up. Iended up with sixteen names Matt Miller did

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in this year's class, and thenhe breaks him down by position. Sixteen
players he thinks should be locked.Sixteen players have a first round grade now
whether they whether they fall to thesecond round correct. And that's what he's
saying. He's saying in most drafts. And I heard that when I was
a scout, in most draft classes, you got about a dozen fifteen dudes,
no more than, not even twentydudes that are actually should be in

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that class. All right. Thefour receivers, Marma Harrison Junior, your
guy Malik Neighbors, Roma Doonze,who I have a man crushed on at
Washington. He would be perfect forCJ. Stroud and Nico and Tang deal
perfect. And then he also addsBrian Thomas Jr. Out of LSU.

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Brian Thomas Junior comps to T Higgins. I also saw Pro Football Focus did
a mock draft where they had BrianThomas Jr. To the Texans at pick
twenty three. Because of where weare with the clock, Gordon, I'm
gonna just set it up this way. If what Matt Miller tells us is
true and there are only four receiversavailable that have a first round grade,

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are we cool with the Texans takingBrian Thomas Jr. Or do we need
to be having some conversation potentially aboutCasario trading up to go grab neighbors or
or doomsay or something like that.On the other side, we'll continue taking
phone calls seven one, three,two point two five seven ninety. Gordon
gives us his expert opinion on thesebyou Bengals at wide receiver. The legendary

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KB and me next self continues,it was not having next Okay, here's
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So we're coming off of we're pivotingoff of the wide receiver one conversation.

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We all agree that Nico had awide receiver one season. Pro Football Focus
said, including the postseason, Nicowas ranked third at the position. Respect
The question now is do you havelike, is he a one? When
you start talking about CD Lamb andChase and Jefferson and those dudes, do

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we now start saying Nico. IfNico were on the open market, would
he command and that type of doughSo that's one conversation. I then pivoting,
Go, y'all know me. Iwant to load up on offense.
We got a defensive mind to headcoach. I want to put the salary
cap in the offense and put thedraft picks in the defense. Now,

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let's see what happens once we getinto free agency. But that's the way
I think about it. Nico finishedeighth in the league of receiving yards and
he only played in fifteen games,whereas many of the guys who had been
played in seventeen. So if hehad played in all seventeen games this year,
he'd have been top five in theNFL and receiving yards. That's a
wide receiver one. He's a hell. It's a hell of a year.

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Do your Tyreek Hill is getting thirtymillion a year right now? Everybody knows
he's a number one. Do youbelieve Nico Collins will get thirty millions a
year? Thirty million year millions?Do you think you can get thirty million
a year? I mean, heain't gonna get that much, but he'll
hope get paid wide receiver one money. He's never been to a Pro Bowl,
never been off pro never, neverled the league in catches, touchdown
yards, nothing, and you're gonnagive him twenty eight just got a quarter

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from just Tyreek Hill made his breadwith freakin Patrick mahone. He was a
Super Bowl champion, but and heled the league and stuff explosive supposed to
win a Super Bowl with Tyrod Taylorand h Davis Miller. The conversation is
simple. Tyreek Hill got paid becausehe had proven he was a wide receiver

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with one stud quarterback Nicole as astud quarter he finally got one this year.
Look what he did. I'm notbagging on Nico. We're having the
conversation about are you betting and youknow what, It ties perfectly in what
we're saying. An article this morning, Matt Miller ESPN dot com. It's
one of their exclusive content ESPN plussites. He's a draft analyst. He
says, stand in America, theworld. There are sixteen first round graded

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players in a round that has thirtytwo picks. The Texans have picked twenty
three. We've been talking about widereceiver, and I'm open to talking about
other positions, Matt Miller, saysNick Cassario, Demiko, there's only four
us that you should be considering thatthe wide receiver position at pick twenty three.
Those are Marvin Harrison junior, MalikNeighbors out of your LSU, Roman

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Dunza out of Washington, who wesaw here in the National Championship in n
RG, and Michael Thomas Junior outof LSU, who he comps as T
Higgins. What I'm saying to you, and I'm curious what you all think,
is, I'm totally fine. IfCasario's board say that they have a

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first round grade on Michael Thomas Junior, then you take him, and fine.
Cool if they decide they're going toput that draft capital into the defensive
player, because they spent free agencyand winning got a guy, then I'm
okay with that too. I continueto be uncomfortable with the thought that I'm
just going to go with Nico Tankand draft somebody in the third round and

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that's gonna be my That's no.The problem with this conversation is we haven't
had free agency yet, so wedon't know what needs are addressed. They
have holes. There's a lot ofholes. Let me talk for damn second,
just let me talk. They gota lot of holes on the depth
chart, so you gotta address needs. And so if they go get them
Mike Evans, then that wide receiverholes filled. My problem, though,

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is on my depth chart right now? I think this is nick A Sario
how he's listening. Nico Collins isWR one, Tank Dell's WR two,
WR three is what Robert Woods,who I could move on from, I
could not. I could consider bringingback Noah Brown like so I like Brian
Thomas still get me wrong, butwhat is his role? He's a deep,
dark guy. He was the guyto take the top off the defense.

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My Laku Nabors was the possession,but I mean could also make big
plays as well. But when JaneDaniels wanted to throw deep. He went
up top to Brian Thomas. Canhe fill that role? Here is whyde
receiver three, wide receiver four.I think so, But I just I
look at going if Steven Nelson walks, who's my opposite starting corner opposite Derek
Stingley. You just answered you onquestion it's in free agency and or pick

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fifty nine in the second round.The bottom couldn't be twenty three. It
could be. The bottom line iswe are in agreement that the Texans have
holes. Because we're not in thebuilding with Caserio. None of us know
where they put the premium and evaluationon at what position other than what Demko
said, Dimico may tell me andyou both both of y'all are full of

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bleep because I'm gonna use my capmoney and a first round pick and I'm
going to get an edge defender anda big butt dtackle to go next to
Malie Cottin and they may just gobest player available on their board. You
know, they at least the battlebetween do I dress an obvious hole on
my roster or do I just takeand you know that's player on the board,
and the difference between you and Iis there is a hole in Houston

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at wide receiver. That's where Ithink my conversation is different from anybody else
that I've heard on this station andin the market. Everybody seems to be
content with Nico and Tank, andI keep bringing data day after day on
why we should not be thinking that. Now. I'm not saying that Nico
and Tank. More so Nico forthis conversation. If he has another year

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like that, cool, he hada wide receiver one year. Hell of
a year. He kicked the ass. Give him his money when it's time.
He's in no position to be leveragingand negotiating money right now. What
I'm saying to Miko is, gotake advantage and Cassario of the rookie contract.
CJ is on and go get himweapons. If they were to take
Michael Thomas junr Brian Thomson, excuseme, if they were to take Brian

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Thomas Junior at twenty three, He'sstarting for the Houston Texans day one the
period. The tough part, though, is with Matt Miller's argument is the
other wide receivers he lists is mockdraft. He has him going four to
five to six. Marvin Harrison Junior, Elie Neighbors, and Roma Dudens.
They are all off the yes,four, five, and six in the
draft. So thus when we getdown to twenty three again, and I
like Brian Thomas Jenner, I justdon't think for a first round pick for

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pick twenty three for this team,I need a starting corner. I need
a starting linebacker. I need astarting detackle. I need these things more
than I need you know, thirdwide receiver, which again I could you
keep calling him at the third,But why is he a third? Because
it's the third he would be thethird option? Why because Nico Collins at
Tank Dell are the top two options? They just are? Why So why

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can't a guy picked at twenty threecome in and be better than both Nico?
Like, that's not in a subjectiveHe's not gonna catch, he's not
gonna get the targets that those guys. He's not that kind of white.
I don't need him to get targets. I need him to score touchdowns.
You said he takes the top off, and if he can do that in
Baton Rouge, he can do thatat NRG. So I'm not understanding this
notion, like he just just becausehe's taking twenty third that he can't come

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be number one. That doesn't makesense for the Fay side of Mike Evans.
That addresses it. Yes, yougonna get Mike Evans, then you're
moving on that twenty third pig on. I just I just think that's a
luxury pick. For instance, likethe Kansas City Chiefs. You could take
her, or she writes, becauseyou just won the Super Bowl, Like
you know you could take her,she writes, because you got Pat Mahomes
Andy Reid. Yeah, I'm justsaying, like, I don't I think
that's a that's a luxury pick,taking your third wide receiver in the first

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round. We got so many otherholes you gotta address. All Right,
we'll get Gordon to calm down duringthe break. On the other side,
let's go to the phone lines andwrap up this segment. Who is that
Donald out in the hobby somewhere?What up? Donald? Okay, I'll
make it as quick as I can. Your first two collars touched on it
this morning. You know, wealways talk about wide receivers and their status

(42:21):
yards after catch, you know howmany catches they have, But you never
hear about wide receivers and their blockingskills never. So my question do you
is put on your scout hat forme? What does it do in the
draft. If a wide receiver hasevery other box check for you, but

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it's not much of a blocker,do you tell a team we're not taking
him, or what do you doto me? How well he blocks a
doesn't block? If he's talking specificallygoing there pick twenty three, that has
no bearing on it. If I'mbringing him in, I'm not bringing him
here with the primary fe is beingblocking. If a dude has ten touchdowns
on Saturday in the SEC and he'splaying in real football games and he gets

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up here to Indianapolis on Monday startingMonday at next week and he starts doing
the measurables and he's testing well,then I'm very excited about adding him to
my roster. We will teach himhow to block. We'll do all of
us. I'm not worried about that. That was one of the gripes on
Brevin Jordan when they drafted him.Was good pass catcher, but not a
great run blocker. And you know, maybe that's why they signed to Dalton

(43:27):
Schultz and Dalphin ain't greater that either. But I'm saying, like his maybe
he's been hampered not being able tosee the field as much because that now.
I think he was decent this year, but probably something they had to
teach him in Baltimore. Dalton showstruggle, but a lot of guys struggle
against that Baltimore defense. All Right, we wanna pivot heit Gordon. We
talked about college fotball. We wantto do some college football at eleven.
You want to do astros? Whatdid you want to go? I'm excited

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about the College for EA sports announcementthis morning. All right, so Gordon
wants to talk some college football,Let's do that. I also will get
into Johnny Manziel and there up withother college tidbitt nuggets. There are some
false information idea about Adrian Peterson.We kick off the eleven o'clock out with
There will be strolls and rockets tocome. Gordy, I'm going over to
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the next step, next step,next stop, next next up? This

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team, this is Next Up withTad Northfleet and Chris Gordy. Let's see
what's next next our two final hourof the program here on Sports Talk seven
ninety your home in Houston. Sportsthank you so much for kicking it.
Stan Fleet would be me as standsportsman on social To my left, my

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radio partner and the program director aroundthese parts, that is Chris Gordy.
He is at Chris Gordy at Connord McGovern. He's on social media,
our production extraordinaire and of course atSports Talk seven ninety where we are your
home of Houston Sports is draft time, free agency period. I should say
drafts, draft prep time, andfree agency period gets people emotional around here,

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as does the college game. Ifyou don't know, you're new to
the station, new to the show. As a former Power five lineback at
the University of Virginia, Gordy isan sec OUR resident expert. Man did
is collegiate studying at Louisiana State University, the Nola native that he is,
and so there's a lot of conversationabout what Nick Casario and Domico will do

(46:05):
in the upcoming draft and free agency. We spent the entire first hour on
that. I'll take the final callhere, Gordon, and then I want
to pivot to the college games,as there was a game announcement of sorts
this morning. Biscuit and Richmond getin here, brother, hey Man,
stand Gordy and I think you guysare someone hitting on it that the Texas

(46:27):
need to add a few pieces toget to another level. But stand,
I would have propose to you andGordy, there are five guys on their
roster right now that if the Texaswant to be a legitimate Sue Bowl contender,
those guys have to go to anotherlevel. Okay, you know they're
playing. Well, give me saynumber one, all right, number one
CJ. Stroud because he had arecord breaking hear you, but guess what

(46:52):
he chasing mahomes lamar Borough. Hegotta take I see the brother at the
Texas Rockets. Uh the oh histravel yeah he all over all this stuffs
going. Hey man, keep themain thing, the main thing. Yeah.
We just letting him breathe a littlebit right now. But I with
you. Give me the other fourplayers for the second number two, number
two, I would say your cornerStemley. Okay, man, we you

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know you did a good job ofit. But man, we need you
to dress out fifteen out at leastseventeen games. We need you to be
more available. Okay, we needyou to take it to another level.
Number three Will Anderson Jr. HeyMan, defensive rookie of the year.
Yeah, but we need you toget to a Michael Parson Boasa level.
We need you to get more sacks, be more disruptive. Okay, number

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number number four, now that wasfour and number five this is the one
it Gordy. If I let meask you this, Gordy, if that
what's the number one far as positiongroup on the team that has more assets
and money been put into by theTexans. If somebody pose that question the
offensive line, I'm sorry, heasked, officer line. So we need

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we need the officer line to bea strength, not a borderline weakness.
And the guy that is leading itoffic the line, the highest played player
on the team. We need thisguy to be the man, not just
a good guy, not just apro bowler. We need him to set
the tone we need. When Isee Fritz Scoal coming out of the tunnel,
I see up there. I seehim up there setting the tone.

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What'd you hang up on that?Man? It was actually quick. I
was trying to get ready. Ithought he was wrapping up my bad best.
Getting no disrespect, brother. Buttwo hours ago Pro Football focused on
the Houston Texans account, Laramie Tonzosurprised. The highest graded offensive lineman on
the Texans, Shaq Mason came inat number two. George Fant was three,

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and then Juice Scrugs and Deeter didn'tgrade well, but they were uh
Deeter it was four. Scruggs wasfive, respectively. All right, So
he says the Biscus point was Stroud, Stingley, Will Anderson Jr. And
the entire old line live by larryTonzo. They all need to take their
games to the next level and simultaneouslyNick and Demico Filly in the roster.

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Can CJ get better? Yes,I've said that statistically he can get better,
and his numbers not look better thanlast year. I'll have to do
that another time. Stingley's durability similarto Nico, similar to Tankdlle. We
all are Kenyan Green pick On,like the Texans have had guys out that
have been draft picks. We knowMechi situation. He's another one. We

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talked about Will Anderson Jr. Andthis is part of the reason, Gordon,
that I'm willing to move on fromJonathan Garnard. I don't want to,
but in terms of the pecking orderand what Jonathan Garnard may or may
not command on the market, Iexpect Will Anderson Jr. To have a
year next year that was similar towhat Jonathan Garnard did this year. So

(50:00):
then I gotta go get the nextWill Anderson Junior. Now, whether that's
number three overall or one second roundpick or free agency. You see my
dynamic, like you're constantly doing anefficiency model based on the position. Well,
something to keep in mind too,it's what if he goes down,
what he missed a game or twoankle? Yeah, two games, I
think. Say he goes down forseven games next year? Who do you

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have? That's what I'm saying foranybody else. If you move on from
Gernad, you have to pick.We said it yesterday. The franchise tag
for Gernard is twenty million. Attwenty million, that's a first round picksft,
that's its entire contract at pick twentythree, Roan Moore. I need
depth there. I mean no doubtthey have to draft that drusher. I

(50:43):
would sign in that rusher too.You know, not don't have to be
a high ticket item, but youknow, middle tiers something like that.
I gotta add depth there. Andwe talk about obvious holes, and maybe
it's not an obvious hole, butlook at my safeties. Jalen Petrie fantastic
rookie year, a little bit ofsophomore sump this past year, and that

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Jimmy Ward who you went and paidbig money for, he only played tech
games last year. So if there'sa safety, that's staring me in the
eye at twenty three that I love. I'm not afraid to pull the trigger.
I've said it before. There's nota single position other than quarterback that
the Texans couldn't use a first orsecond or a third round pick, Like
they're gonna have to go put somebodythat they're taking in the first or second

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round is gonna play somewhere. Thisis your point. Jimmy Ward's his availability
and his age and the way heplays. And Jaln Petrie didn't have his
best ball. Maybe he'll have abounce back second year in Demico and Matt
Burgs defense. To your point,I'm okay adding the safety. I probably
would shy away from adding that guyat twenty three. Well, this,

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this whole secondary needs to be reworked, to be honest, I mean again,
you got one more year of Ward, you got two more years of
Petrio on his rookie deal. ButEric, you know, Steven Nelson's a
free agent. Eric Murray becomes afree agent, Kareem Jackson you brought into
the free agent Tavir Thomas. Imean, these are all guys you leaned
on for much of the king Inthe second you the only guy in your

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secondary you can really trust his thirtyand that's said he's the one that's been
injured. So you got you gottaadd some dogs back, No question,
there's not a position group outside ofquarterback that I wouldn't add that I wouldn't
be okay adding a guy in thefirst round, depending on who the guy
is and or free agency. Sowe are in agreement there now. Derek
Stingly played his college ball at LSU, obviously your alma MATERA. There are

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gonna be some gentlemen in Baton Rougethat are very excited about this news.
Gordon as. Earlier this morning itwas announced I'm looking at a post from
Front Office Sports. Starting today,eleven thousand college football players from all one
hundred and thirty four FBS teams canopt into The players have the choice to

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opt into EA Sports College Football twentyfive. Each of those players will receive
at minimum six hundred dollars and acopy a complimentary copy of the game itself.
I'm not a gamer. This doesn'tmuch matter to me, but many
of you play the games. Yougot kids that play the games. I

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think is good for college football,but it doesn't matter what it was.
I mean, since six hundred dollarsis not enough. It's a store,
because it's been gone for over adecade. A big reason was the Edo
Bannon case. You know, theworkarounds they were able to do with the
video game for years was they don'tput the players on the rosters. They
would just put out the generic rostersand then you know, kids in their

(53:31):
nerds in their basement would stay upall night and and create the rosters and
put on the file share and thenyou would go on there and download and
you play. You play with theTexas ago ONTs with Vince Young on your
roster and all and all that.Right, it is an interesting time because
yes nil is now legal now,so ea sports, can you know,
give the players the option, Hey, you want to be in the video
game, we'll get we'll compensate you. The problem becomes it's just it's so

(53:55):
many kids. It's so many schools. They're having to now pay the school
licensing to be able to put all. The good news is they got uh
they announced all one hundred and thirtyfour FPS schools in there. I even
saw Rice and Sam Houston Stater arein there. So that's cool. If
you're in the FBS, You're init, bomb, go ahead. The
problem becomes, you know, andthis is where we're getting the issues with

(54:15):
that IL two is like for themto be able to do this, to
put the players in the game,they've got to just make one generic.
Hey, it's six hundred bucks anda free copy of the game, no
matter who it is. And that'swhat different Now does this? Does Quinn
yours deserve more than the third stringtight end at Sacramento State? Yes?
The problem is it's just got tobe it doesn't It doesn't have to be

(54:35):
uniform. That's where I think that'sthat. But but you're you're pushing back
is why the game's been gone forthe last decade plus and Blimple won the
game back. So let me adddata. And I trust this man as
he is an attorney. I don'talways agree with his pigs in his selection.
But when it gets to this typeof stuff, Uh, Mike Florio

(54:59):
Pro Football to OH wants us allto know. EA Sports is worth more
than thirty seven billion dollars as acorporate entity, right, not the NCAA
football game, just EA overall isworth thirty seven billion. They have budgeted
six point six million to try andsecure the l nil rights of these eleven

(55:22):
thousand players. That's a problem forme. Well it's a problem, but
it's also doesn't tell the full story. Thirty seven billions the value of their
assets. That's Madden. I understand, that's the soccer. You can take
Madden money to pay college players,but they're also paying the Madden players.
It's a tough conversation. I thinkthey I think they looked at everything.

(55:43):
I don't think this is a greedmove. I think this is what's realistic
for us to still pay the gamedesigners and everything else and manufacture the product
and put it all out there.I have to think they came to this
evaluation saying this is this is agood evaluation. It's still worth did you
this just worth the squeeze on ourpart? You say it all the time,
this is a business decision. We'rewilling to pay these six hundred or

(56:06):
these eleven thousand kids six hundred dollarsbecause we can still make money. If
we have to pay them twelve hundreddollars, then we don't make as much
money. And then we hope thekids are willing to take the six hundred
EA kids, you need to godo your homework and find out kids playing
the game. When I was inthe first rendition of this game, or
you know, back in the day, I think I got to check for

(56:28):
like a couple hundred bucks. Wehad no wherewithal of what the actual property
of gaming in college football is worth. I hope with the emergence of NIL
that these kids have the right resourcesand these schools and programs provide these kids
with the right resources to go negotiateand either opt in or don't. But

(56:49):
I'm not going to be upset ifEA Sports doesn't make this game, and
I don't give a damn. Mybuddy, Nick DELATORI say, here's the
thing, please don't. People don'tcare if the players don't opt them,
they're just gonna be on official rostersdownload. So in another world, I
think HE Sports is kind of doingthem a favor saying, look, we're
gonna pay you cool because for yearsthey did it just generic rosster and you
don't get a die. If youwant to go do the generic thing,
then there's a reason EA isn't goingto continue to do that. This isn't

(57:14):
because EA knows we make more moneywhen we actually do the licensee as the
federal government has outlined, we areable and capable to do. They're doing
it this way because this is wherethe money is. We're way over on
the other side, a guy thatwould have made a lot of money in
nil has been in the news.Johnny Football sat down with Shannon Shaw.
What the hell is this about?We unpack a little bit. On the

(57:35):
other side. Sports Talk seven ninetytouchdown Texas coach Stark. Here you're next
up with Stan Northfleet and Chris Gordyof Sports Talk seven ninety, Houston's home
of Longhorn Football. Oh my goodness, let's get back into it. Man,
Gordon and I. We're gonna endup wrestling in this studio at some
point, will beg I thought someof my closest friends before. It'll be

(57:57):
fine. I haven't picked up away in a while. Gonna opt that
Where were you at when you didyou? Where were you at? You
at min and Ma Park running aroundthe bases and got scuffed up? Man,
the way I feel right now,still not feeling great. Stan Fleet
hanging out with Gordon. We hadabout forty more minutes. We'll get you
over to Matt Thomas and Rossburry aalband uh. We continue talking college football
here, and we're gonna play asomewhat lengthy soundby from you if you hadn't

(58:22):
heard this already yesterday. Shannon Sharp, who he's killing it right now.
You're talking about somebody business wise thatwish they could go back and do it
again. Fox Sports one is losinga ton of money by not having Shannon
Sharp in their lineup. He's killingit right now. He has surpassed Over
the last thirty days, he hadsurpassed Pat McAfee as the most visible popular

(58:46):
sports figure in what we do inthis media. Want to be honest,
nobody watched Nobody watches FS one.Nobody watched FS WAT. The ratings have
been garbage since. And the bigproblem is it's hard to find when you
get home, you know where tofight a ESPN on your dial. How
many people, off the top oftheir head can tell you where FS one
is on their cable dial. Don'tknow people in our business know where it

(59:07):
is. I'm happy for Shannon Sharpand he's doing a great job, and
he's intersecting entertainment with sports as well. He's not the first one to do
that he's just doing it that Icould, but I dream how many people
watched on a daily or even aweekly basis. Did you check in to
the Skip Baler Show. I watchedit every day. I thought undisputed it
was a better program than First Takewhen it was Shannon and Skip Agram.

(59:30):
Most of us who ever caught itcaught the clips on Twitter or watch the
YouTube. I'm adding all that up. I'm just saying I watched it on
television. I watched the clips.I thought it was better content than talking
about Lebron James and is he theKing? Is he not? On First
Take? And the eight thousand gueststhat they rotate through the desk, that
just doesn't work for me. Nothate number brother steven A. Steven A

(59:51):
has been really good to me.I support him. I watched the show
when I can, But there's justI don't want to hear mad Dog screaming
at me. It doesn't I don'tcare that JJ Reddick is sitting up there.
Although JJ is really good. Ithink Skip and Shannon and they are
willing to have conversations about other aspectsof life that touch Spoil. Now stephen
A does too, So anyway,I just preferred, but you are right,

(01:00:14):
and the numbers were still with firsttake now that Shannon is doing Club
Shayshay, which is the podcast thatJohnny Manziel was on as we get back
in today. But that's what wasgonna say too. I think a big
part of this has been the guestseas had on. You have on Kat
Williams, you have on Johnny Manziel, Show Me a week where Shannon host
solo on this podcast, and seewhat thenother numbers are stupid his subscribers,
He's passed on. That's what I'msaying. It's because the largely because of

(01:00:35):
the guest seas happened. Yes,I'm agreeing with you. What I'm saying
is there are other shows that alsodo the guest thing, Like Steven A.
Smith has a show. He's notdoing numbers. I'm not talking about
first tape. Steven A has thesteven A. Smith Show. It ain't
doing those numbers. I mean,Shan is killing so anyway, Johnny Manziel's
on here and some of you,I imagine. I was not here during
the Menzie mania. Obviously I waswatching. I thought that Manzill acted like

(01:01:05):
a spoiled bratt I did not havehim on my draft board. Had I
been sitting in the room in Washingtonas a former scout and they'd asked me
what you thought, out have said, here's the player. I wouldn't draft
him. Collegiately, he kicked assfits for Nick Saban and everybody else in
the SEC. He had some issuesthat I could say, I saw this

(01:01:27):
coming. Let me hear this isthe club Chayhay podcast. Let us hear.
Menzel spoke specifically about the financial dynamicas well as the family dynamic he
had going on the college station.We'll get Gordon. You guys react on
the other side. I'm leaving togo the draft, and I'll paint a
picture for you. It's two thousand, the spring of two thy fourteen,

(01:01:49):
December twenty thirteen, right in thereabout December January. I'm getting ready to
make this decision on if I'm goingto the NFL Draft or I'm going to
stay. And I found this outfive years later for my dad. But
my dad went and had a meetingwith Kevin someone and pretty much went to
him Amanda Man and was like,we'll take three million bucks and we'll stay
for the next two years. Andmy dad says, this is true,

(01:02:12):
is today as he did when hetold me, he laughed. He did
the same thing that he did whenCliff Kingsbury asked him to be the highest
paid offensive coordinator of the year before. And Cliff would have stayed with me
another year and we would have ranit back. We've gone for another one,
right, But he comes to someone, he asked him for X amount.
Someone he had this ego about himthat what we built, we was

(01:02:37):
all him. Johnny Manziel on theClub Say podcast with Shannon shawp My first
reaction to that is and he says, his dad laughed at the earth at
his dad's offer of Hey, hepaced three million dollars, We'll come back
for two more years. Had thatgotten out to the AGGI boosters, they

(01:03:00):
would have absolute. They would havethe money together by five o'clock. Yeah,
I heard Kyle Field and all ofthe renovations that commenced in the aftermath
of Johnny Menziel. I've heard Aand M people tell me this is the
house that Johnny Manziel. Now,he didn't do it single handedly. You
go look at the amount of draftpicks that they pumped out of A and
M but there are other guys.But clearly Johnny was the most notable player.

(01:03:23):
He's the one with the house man. He was the guy that was
out front by position and his play. Mike Evans had a lot to benefited
a lot from playing with Johnny Manziel, and there were others. So three
million dollars, Yes, that's awin for A and M. What is

(01:03:43):
Johnny's actual so today, what wouldJohnny Manziel's actual value be in NIL?
I don't know what the nil collectiveis in college station, but I'm just
curious could Johnny get and I Laterin this podcast, he says Gordon I
could have got ten million dollars today. Now, he said five million of
that would have been just personal contactsin his phone. Hey, Rockets,

(01:04:06):
I'm coming over. I'll do apost for He said the other five would
have been legitimate on campus NIL activitystuff. He says he could have done
ten mill the three I think thatwould have been the biggest Manzelle Tibo and
Vince Young. Texas fans would havepaid anything. I mean anything that that

(01:04:27):
that game, that moment of VinceYoung winning the championship is the greatest,
is the pinnacle of Texas Sports.They would have paid anything for here v
Y. So he's up there.T Bow clearly is up Yeah, t
bo at Florida. But I wouldadd Cam and Lamar in that mixes well.
Reggie Bush. But it's just crazyto think that that's that. And
let me rewind to the time someonewas a hot name. There was talking

(01:04:50):
the Dallas Cowboys potentially flirting with KevinSummers. I never heard that they were
NFL teams saying we think he couldcome up here now as in OC.
I don't, okay, that makessense, but maybe it was. I
got to remember back at the time. But like someone was the hot name,
and that thing it rose, anda lot of it was with Menzel

(01:05:11):
and then the next year with KennyTrill, and then it started to dip,
and then it started to go down, and then it wasn't as exciting
Menziel again, the Menziel mania onthe field. I just thought he was
an undisciplined football player that just hadI mean, he had playmakers and he
was making plays. And there's awhole bunch of there's a whole bunch of

(01:05:32):
conversation if you go back and lookat the guys that gave saving problems.
It was dudes that were dual threatand I think about I just like that
doesn't translate to Sunday. His personalityas a leader did not translate to Sunday.
I said, I don't give adamn where he gets drafted. That's
not going to work now. Healso in that podcast, added Gordon,

(01:05:56):
he said, you know, itwas difficult to be led by some or
to maintain a relationship with some ofthem later in their professional careers because someone's
saying, hey, you're in Cleveland, like you need to be more of
a professional. Cut out the drugsand the lifestyle and the drinking and the

(01:06:16):
partying and all of that, likefocus on being the leader of a franchise.
Manziell said himself some of the you'rein these same parties with me sometimes
like how were you trying to tellme? I would have told Johnny,
hey, dumbass, someone is notworth forty million dollars and he's not leading
a multi billion dollar corporation. Youare, get your ass out of the

(01:06:41):
club and go home. I willsay, though it is and I'm not
trying to spurge someone at all.But there were stories at the time when
he was there. There were coachingshows we would carry where oh god,
the old play by play voice anyway, Oh, come to me where he
had to kill time thirty minutes becausesomeone was late, and the rumor was

(01:07:02):
he had stopped off for Drake orwhatever and he'd come in there and there's
some slurred words on the coaches showsand things, and so it was like,
but Butohny brought some of that upfrom what I understand, A lot
of that was the environment that wasgoing on with Cliff and Kingsbury and had
nothing to do with the player whathe called Holgerson. No, I'm just
saying like it was kind of theculture of the coaching staff had created,

(01:07:23):
right, And so then when Johnny'sdoing the same again, it's like,
well he's kind of doing the samething the coaches are doing. And Johnny
said, I played better when theyallowed me to play with my hair on
fire. In other words, letme do my party and I'll give you
what you want on Saturday. Thatdynamic does not work on Sunday at that
position. Party quarterbacks don't win superBowls. They just don't. They may

(01:07:46):
have a good year, they mayhave dynamic moments. Oh he thought his
talent was good enough, and that'sinsane, and his dad and whoever else
that was in his camp, theagency and everybody else. And I know
there was a special that was outtoo long ago about the behind the scenes
on that. Let me also endon this for Johnny Manziel, and it's
unfair people taking public shots about people'sprivate life because he mentions the sumbling in

(01:08:12):
and drinking and someone was on staffwith somebody else, and how to do
you why Steve Sarkisian It was justnow today. A little while ago.
Steve Sarkisian is a known When wewere in Atlanta, he would tell the
media I still battle with alcoholism.I didn't make fun of the man.
We just acknowledge he's struggling with thisanyway. He just got a ten million
dollar a year out the border Regehas just voted to give him a contract

(01:08:33):
extension. It's a four year extension. In Sarkisian, he's up to ten
million dollars a year. Good forhim, keep people's private business. But
he police publicly lost his USC jobbecause I understand that help. But what
I'm saying is, Johnny Manziel,you out of bounds for going on the
podcast and doing like, what didyou gain by saying that about someone?
I think you're just being honest.I think it's just because you don't say

(01:08:56):
it doesn't mean it's not true.Yeah, but I mean this is also
the same Kevin Summer just got aDUI. What does that have to do
with Johnny's downfall? He's just sayinghe's telling you what was going on.
I think it's a bad look.I think it's bush league. That's just
me. We can get him andsomeone on the podcast here, they could
hash it out. Let me notsay that. All right, let's come
back on the other side, wayway over. I want to get into

(01:09:19):
email. Udoka, speaking of coaching, has been in the news as the
Rockets are back in action tonight.That game versus New Orleans will be right
here on KB and ME, yourhome of Rockets Basketball. Also, Jordan
Alvarez and some astros are in thenews, Gordia, as we are a
day closer to some spring training baseballfirst game coming up on Saturday. You

(01:09:39):
can also hear that here on SportsTalk seven ninety your Homer, Astros and
Rockets. Who's got next? Here'swhat's coming next? What do we do
next and who's gotta take it tothe next level? Next step to Stanton
Northfleet and Chris Gordy. This nextup on Sports Talk seven ninety. About

(01:10:03):
twenty four minutes from now, we'llget you over to Matt Thomas and rossby
A for the Matt Thomas Show Rocketsin Action tonight. They are in New
Orleans Gordon pre game. You canhear right here Rockets launch Pad. That'll
begin at six tip off and networkaround seven. We also have Rodney Terry's

(01:10:26):
ut Basketball Coaches Show Men's game that'llbe on AM nine fifty KPRC. So
I wanted to get to this becauseI saw a report and I am trying
to locate that now, but weall know the context of the report.
Em Udoka was pissed off at hisRockets going into the All Star break.
They get embarrassed in me at Memphisthe last game before All Star weekend.

(01:10:53):
I believe that to be a Wednesday. And then I saw a quote from
Udoka who says, essentially, andI pay a phrase, the energy,
the lack of effort is concerning.Perhaps I'll look at the rotation, the
starting rotation that is, and we'llmake some adjustments to avoid poor starts like
that, he says, I lookin the mirror at myself and figure out

(01:11:15):
the best way for it to getus off to better starts, all right.
So then it comes out here overthe last day or so, that
it is believed Emi Udoka will notbe messing with the starting lineup. Fred
van Vliet, who had been outwith an adductor injury, is now healthy

(01:11:35):
enough to get back on the floor. So they somebody and I forget the
exact number of games, but somebodylooked at the and it may pop up
on our social media. Here Gordonthe actual Rockets starting five of Van Vliet,
Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, Barrand Alprin shing Gun. There's only
like, there's a very small amountof games. Remember last year we said

(01:11:58):
the same thing about the Astros.How many games has it been? Al
Tuo ve Jordan and like the fullcast of characters, same thing here,
And so there is a twenty sevengame split where you look at the difference
in especially defensive metrics, and theRockets have just been awful as of late.
It sounds like Udoka has pivoted andhe's like, all right, for

(01:12:20):
the first little bit. I'll letit ride. I'll stick with my lineup.
Let's see how we respawn healthy.I'm looking at Danielle Lerner, of
the staff writer for the Chronicle.She's got a couple quotes up here,
and they are the twenty seven gamesplits we were talking about. So the

(01:12:40):
Rockets are eighteen and seventeen when startingthe lineup Van Vliet, Jalen, Jabbari,
shing Gun and Dylan, but thatgroup has not started since February fourth,
after Van Vliet strained the left adductor. The Rockets are six and thirteen
with all other starting lineups this season, including just one and six in games

(01:13:02):
that Fred van Vliet does not play. Excuse me, so obviously the Rockets
don't make a major move at thetrade deadline. They make a move to
go get Steven Adams, a bigfor next year. It's not gonna plays.
Is this wise for Udoka? Imean, should Udoka have shaken up

(01:13:23):
the lineup? No? I meanthey look, they just got to win
games. It's the bottom line.I mean, we're into people were excited
right out of the gates because theygot offsto such a hot start. The
addition of Dylan Brooks at Fred vanVliet were awesome. We're above five hundred.
We're rocking and rolling. We're whatthirteen and ten by mid December,

(01:13:44):
and then kind of into January,it's still teetering around five hundred, but
hey, okay, we're still competitive, we're still fighting for a playing spot.
And then really the month of Januaryis as January went along, all
losses started to pile on, andgranted you started to get a tougher schedule,
some tough road trips in there,you know what's weird, But go
ahead, the last week plus priorto the All Star Break, I mean
you played Atlanta, you played theKnicks, you played at Memphis. I

(01:14:06):
mean you played games that were verywinnable, and you come into this All
Star break. I've lost five year, last six y'all start final wins.
Because you've lost, you've lost interestfrom people who were aboard. But then
kind of you start losing, Ilose interest. See I would ask those
people, though, what were yourexpectations, because right now the Rockets have

(01:14:28):
already won two more games than theydid all of last season. They got
that dumb before the All Star break. Yeah, it is embarrassing that they've
only won five of twenty six roadgames. Sure, but here are the
Rockets currently sitting in the twelfth placein the West. They are essentially three
and a half games out from theplay in tournament, so they're directly behind.

(01:14:50):
Golden State is at ten spot.Utah is in eleven spot. So
my point is, I think forthis team to be in the playing tournament
contention, I would consider that progressin a win thus far? Do I
like how it looks? No,they got it, But again, when

(01:15:12):
those five are healthy on the floor. Dylan Brooks has missed some time,
Jabari has missed some time, sowe've seen dudes get nicked up. I'm
not gonna bag on Jalen Green rightnow because that's easy to do and we
do that all the time. Thereis another nugget I also want to add
for tonight forward Cam Whitmore, rookiein his own right, missed the last
three games with a spring ankle practiceand is expected to return this week.

(01:15:39):
Not so much as being saying saidfor Tarry Eason, who's one of the
energy off the bench for the team. He was being seen by a doctor
on Wednesday to determine what this lowerleg injury is about. He's already missed
Tar easton thirty two games. Rocketshave just banged up. Yeah, so
you got a talent deficiency and yourbang up so emay and scream and slam

(01:16:02):
his hand and the gavel and doall the things, but at some point
you just don't have Now. Emais saying, guys, I understand the
talent discrepancy, but we got alegitimate effort problem. Like when you're losing
on the road at Memphis by whateverit was, twenty some odd points,
Like that's a bad Memphis team withoutJohn mo Rent, without desmen Bane and

(01:16:24):
the wrist. So I understand,Udokho. The only thing I'll say,
though, is you say there's atalent deficiency. Yes, when James Harden
demanded the trade out of town,there was a talent deficiency on this team
in the last two years, andthey sucked and they tanked and they got
high draft picks, but they've addedI mean, then what you're telling me
is this, these high draft picksare not developing like we need them to.

(01:16:45):
Jale Green's the top five pick,Jabarti Smith's the top five pick,
Like, uh, you know,I'm in Thompson's the top five pick.
He's a rookie, I get it. But like these dudes with all the
that on top of the free agethat you've invested in in Dylan Brooks and
uh Fred fan Vleet and all this, like, and these guys are playing
at the level they should be playingat full strength. Golden State roster better,

(01:17:09):
Lakers roster better, Sacramento roster better. What Luca and Kyrie have going
in Dallas better to be in thetop six seed right now. But we're
asking you to at least be somewherebetween seven and ten, and they are
in striking distance to do that whenhealthy, I'm saying at the same time,
when healthy, for like, sendn'teverybody deal with injuries, Like It's

(01:17:31):
not like you're just the rare team. The other people are dealing with injuries
and their players are better. Likethis team doesn't have an all star on
the roster. Well, shouting Gooon'sborderline, he's still not averaging. He's
having it hell of a yet stillnot an all star. So Rockets and
Action tonight we'll see should Udoka haveput a foot to somebody's but and then

(01:17:53):
on another time we'll talk about whatwho in that lineup was gonna he was
gonna pull. The only one youcan really pull is Jalen. And then
what does that do. Are wegonna lose Jayleen? I'm not concerned with
losing Jalen. Hell, Jalen maybe lost and meaning he may never live
up to the potential. Don't know. So we'll be watching the Rockets closely,

(01:18:14):
those of us that are locked inon what the Rockets do. Let's
come back and close out. Thereare Astros nuggets. There's another NFL deal
I'd like to get to. Andthen number one receiver was thrown out in
the first hour. You guys wantto come in on that. We'll open
up the phone lines. One morego round seven one three, two,
one two five seven ninety. Nextup continues on your computer. Listen to

(01:18:39):
Sports Talk seven ninety on any devicewith our free iHeartRadio apps. All right,
let's wrap up things here about nineminutes. We'll get you over to
Matt Thomas and Rossville real standing.North Fleet is me, Chris Gordy is
him thanks to Connedy mcgovernor on theother side, just had a rocket segment.
As they are back in action tonightin New Orleans, and thus Mss
Beverly wants to get in and speakher piece. Miss Beverley, first time

(01:19:01):
talking to you during the day.No, that's not true. You've gotten
on the show, on this showwith us before. Good morning to you.
Yeah, I hi, good morning. Should have called it Earth because
I got so many tron on thetry to go fast. I can't when
I rallied for Cam to play.Yes, it works because I thought other
fans were doing the same thing.Okay, I Jalen has played, even
though he's streaky. But to me, if I was a coach, I

(01:19:24):
would starting Reggie Bullet. I knowthat when they put him in there,
he shoots threes very good. SoJune has played but had played well.
But can you tell me is anyway that we can bring faster and Grimes
from your base that is sent toDetroit and bring the other twin here.
To me, that would help.I don't know whether you have to get

(01:19:46):
rid of some people, but yes, to me, that would help.
I appreciate it, Miss Beverick.Oh did I do it? I think
I just did it the same toMiss Beverley, I'm sorry, don't hold
it against me. Uh trade deadlinehas come and past, so less somebody's
on the street is not happening.Yeah, Marcus Sasser is a piston.
Yeah, so that that that won'tbe happening. I want to add something

(01:20:08):
else. Let's pivot here if Icould. For the remainder of this one,
Gordon I mentioned some Astros I wantto hold a segment for tomorrow about
the area of the Astros bullpen thatis not being discussed enough. We will
first let me say to save thedate is out from the Astros. Single
game tickets are on sale March first, versus the Yankees on stale Go.

(01:20:34):
Yeah, it's a season. Imean, the the home opener always sells
out every year, so it's it'sfun that we get to open at home
again. I mean there's a couplebeen a couple of seasons here in recent
years so where they've opened on theroad and it's not been as much fun.
So but real actual opening day Astrosversus Yankees, three o'clock start in
Sports Sox seven ninety. It's gonnabe huge, speak gonna be awesome.

(01:20:56):
We'll have Matt Thomas, She'll bedown there at street Fest. We'll have
tons of stuff going on. Thatweekend, So it's gonna be a lot
of fun in that same space.A guy that will take the field on
that day are several guys. MLBNetworks Annual's Top one hundred players of twenty
twenty four. How many Astros doyou think are in the top ten?

(01:21:17):
Uh? Probably one or two.Yeah, we talked about one yesterday.
Jordan Alvarez comes in at eight.They have Ronald Acuna Junior at one,
Mookie Betch two, Aaron Judge three, sho Hel Tani at four. So
we got two Dodgers, three Yankees, and then you get one from the
Rangers, one from the Astros,and one from the Mariners. Julio Rodriguez

(01:21:42):
over there and right, I believe. So the question and just thinking about
everything that we said about Jordan,he's embracing being more vocal in the locker
room. Mauricio Dubon has been nurturedby Jordon, which is kind of weird
because Jordan is younger than Mauriceo.Dubon was certainly a much better player.
Are you surprised that only one Astromade it in the top ten? Gordon?

(01:22:08):
Well, I just it's a subjectivelist. I mean, it's funny
because you know they there were somerankings of recent years they didn't have jose
Al TV on any lists. AndI do think some of that thurd some
of the cheating scandal, I thinkplayed in that. People just oh,
I don't hate you, like okaywhatever, But yeah, Jordan's top ten
on the list. I just Ihave a problem with three Dodgers being in
the top five. Mookie's clearly onthat, Mookie Bag, Freddy's clearly on,

(01:22:30):
Joeotani, Frank Joe Haltani's clearly onthat. What was Freddy's numbers last
year? Was he still as productiveas he was had been in Atlanta?
Didn't he still get MLB? Ithink you still gott to not one hundred.
Ribby's twenty nine home runs bat atthree thirty one? Yeah, yeah,
pretty playing like Freddy, I meanyou can play in that lineup.

(01:22:50):
It's yeah. I mean, sohere are the other astros. So Jordon
came in at eight, jose LTuov came in at twenty two, Kyle
Tucker twenty three. So they goback to back there, Bragman at forty
four, Frommer at fifty five,Hater at sixty, Justin Verlander at sixty

(01:23:10):
two. So in all, theAstros have seven in the top sixty two.
That's a problem. I know he'sforty one, but they're not sixty
one better baseball, No Justin?First of all, how is Fromer rated
ahead of Justin? Burlander's crazy?To me? There was a time the
last time I saw JV thrower baseballand I saw Fromer throw baseball, JV
was better. We all agreed onthat, lond y'all fought me on that

(01:23:32):
for a damn half a season,and I end up being right. I'm
remind you that too. The otherone I have an issue it is,
there's no way Josh Hater there arefifty nine other players better than Josh Hader
is absurd. Yeah, I can'tget there, but it's stupid. It's
like, what do you how doyou evaluate? You know, like there's
one Soto more important to the Yankees, you know Josh hater is as a

(01:23:54):
closer? Like how do you evaluate? We got to get into this another
time because we're out of time now. Is your on better than to Va
right now? Today? I don't. I don't know. Clearly he's a
better hitter as a different player.Have to say I would say Al two
Bay is still the best player onthis team now, clutch moment, game
on the line, I'll take youeither one, can't lose with either,
can't lose. When you hang outon Sports Talk seven ninety, thank you

(01:24:16):
for sharing your two hours with us, for calling of Governor Chris Gordon stan
Flee, everybody, including you SI, Miss Beverley, don't be mad at
me. We're gonna talk some rocketstomorrow and through the weekend as well special
guests tomorrow on the Rockets front.Thank you, Houston following us to maintain
our STATEUS as your home for Houstonsports. Y'all be well, enjoy your
lunch, God willing will do itagain tomorrow. Y'all be well. Matt

(01:24:38):
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