John is joined by Colin Cowherd (Host of The Herd and Colin Cowherd Podcast) to discuss his first interview with Tom Brady, and if he’s leaving the window open for another return, and if Sean Payton can turn the Broncos into a playoff team in his first year . They also look ahead to the Chiefs/Eagles Super Bowl LVII matchup, including where a second Super Bowl win would put Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes’ in the hierarchy of all-time NFL greats, if Jalen Hurts health is still a major factor. They also touch on the breakdown of contract negotiations between Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, if he could force a trade elsewhere, which teams are the best fit for Derek Carr, and how much the Raiders should give up to get Aaron Rodgers.
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I was at the gym today and I had FS
one on the television, and all of a sudden, I
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look up and I see this beautiful man next to
Colin Coward, and it's no other than Tom Brady, who
looked tanner than you. Colin. He looks fantastic. He's he's
a good looking guy. He is, he is, I said
during the interview, never try to limit your appearances on
a TV screen. Next to Tom Brady, he and Jesse
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Palmer make even a moderately you know, redeemable guy. And
I think moderately redeemables where I classify you look like
you're out bailing. Hey, you've been in a You've been
in a ditch for six hours. Next to Brady, you
did a thing a long time ago on year Old.
You're the old place that when you walked in the
hallways you crossed Jesse Palmer. You just realized it. It
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wasn't a fair game for all of us, right, I mean,
he's I would take an exit. I just jumped into
an office, didn't even I didn't want to be seen
in the same space. So but Brady was in New York.
They want something with the sun and uh yeah, I
mean he's Uh. I tried to Butter. I had a
joke to start because I know, you know, there's Tom
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on that podcast kind of has control of it. So
I wanted to lighten up the mood with a Mike
Rabel thought, because I know he's close with Rabel, and
it got Tom in a good mood and we were
off and rolling for about twelve fifteen minutes. But you know,
I was very gracious. I've you know, I've interviewed almost
I think everybody, you know, Tiger Woods, Barack, Obama, Trump, Uh,
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you know, every coach, anybody I've wanted. He was one
of the last ones. So it was great. Well, I
got two things on it. To me. One thing that
stood out. You asked him a very direct question, is
there a one percent chance of you coming back? And
the thing I noticed, and I understand it's, you know,
this game is meant the light. It's his life, it's
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his identity. He refused to use the word retirement, and
I mean he kind of beat around the bush, but
he did not say like It's not like he easily
could have said, Colin, under no chance, I'm taking this
year off. Next year be a Fox, but I am
not coming back under any circumstances. He kind of went
the BELICHICKI and worked around it. What would your take
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on that? Well, you know, now his business is on
the East coast, right, so I mean Tom will be
able to throw the football. He set two NFL records
this year, So Tom will be able to throw the
football in ten years from now. As Drew Bledsoe always says,
you don't lose the arm, you'll lose the legs, You'll
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lose the desire. So Tom. If Tom stays in shape,
I don't doubt. And let's say the Niner things just
implodes totally and they can call him in August and
say can you play October first? I think you take
the phone call. You know, the Niners one, even though
it's cross country. The roster is so good, you know,
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there's just there's part of me that thinks, how would
he not take the call? Because it's not a quarterback
demanding job, it's a quarterback friendly job. Now, when I
watched Brady at the Beach, I thought it was over.
And his answer today, though he didn't give a definitive
I still think it's over. But I let's say I
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retired and I meant it. What if a year later,
like the greatest job ever is offered, I'd probably pick
the phone up. You know. I mean it's like Tom
looks great, still has a great arm, just was in
an offense that completely utterly depended on him and got
them to win the division. So I think he's done.
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But just because you're done doesn't mean you know, he's
not only a football player, he's an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs always
picked the phone up. You know, obviously I lived in
Northern California a long time, and you know, you're a
fan of your team, but as you grow older, whether
you play or whether you just do different things, that separates.
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But there is an element of one, the guy loves
to win and the team is set up to win.
And two, like I lost my dad a couple of
years ago, and you know you've lost parents, there is
a unique part as your parents' age if you do
have the opportunity to do something special with them. So
that's I'd be shocked if not just Kyl, but I've
bet Josh McDaniels as well. Those two teams, to me,
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are going to have a conversation with this man. Now,
whether Tom comes back, but those conversations are going to
be had. Yeah, just because you retire doesn't mean people
can't read out exactly. So I think Tom has retired.
It felt authentic to me, But you know, let's and
Troy Aikman got phone calls Drew Brees has gotten phone calls.
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That's the way the game is. Like when you retire
and you're great, you know this, Three to four teams
every year get trapped every year. Happens in training camp.
So yeah, I mean it's like Tom's going to get calls.
I think he's gonna say no to all of them,
but the Niners because of the roster. You at least
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take the call. Poor yourself, Poor yourself a pint and
sit and talk for thirty minutes and laugh, you know.
I mean, you have to take the call, you know.
And last thing on Tom. One thing I found funny
is a lot of people, you know, the media, critics
and Twitter or whatever, think, you know, it's Greg Olsen
has done a great job, and listen, he's good and
he seems like a fantastic guy. But it's crazy that
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Tom Brady just gets to come in and take the
job no experience. The reality is there's a small percentage
of people Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady if they
want the number one gig. I don't care who it
is they're getting replaced, unless it is John Madden Tom
Brady sitting in that seat. Regardless who's there. It's just
there's a level of fame that Tom has a massed.
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I would say the last five or six years take
them to another stratosphere that it's just great, great, But
Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I stay out of those conversations. Greg is fantastic, And
now Tom announced that Greg's going to do it again
with Kevin Burkhart. Yeah, because I think Tom really a
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needs the ex hail and b wants to figure out
how to do this to be great at it. So
that'll be something. But my bosses figure out, you know,
they don't include me in those conversations, like right, So
I don't know. I'm glad that I'm a broadcaster and
I don't really have to do that because the one
thing Fox does a remarkable job at they're really good
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at it is production. When I worked at ESPN, there
were there were tons of talented people, but I didn't
think we were overly creative some of I mean, ESPN's
had that NBA pregame show for twenty years. I still
don't think they ever get it perfectly right. Fox figured
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out soccer quickly. Took him about two years to figure
out golf, their World Series coverage, their college football Big Ten,
the show they did with Urban Meyer. From a production standpoint,
Fox does TV really well. Everything feels big, and so
Brady feels huge. So he's a natural choice for Fox.
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I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do
in a year. I just know, you know, Tom signed
on as the number one guy, Greg Olson, and this
doesn't surprise me at all. Is amazing. I've known Greg
for over ten years, so I'm glad somebody else does that.
But you know, I thought, you know, today, I because
I had thought about it. I thought I'm gonna asked Tom, Dude, Okay,
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you just I mean, wouldn't you want to He's been
playing football for forty years, probably thirty eight. It's like,
I don't want to take a big long exhale, and
he did. You know. I hadn't read the story, but
I saw your take and then I googled it, The
Tony Romo Intervention, and I think one underrated part. I
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remember getting hired in the NFL and just thinking, like
I know football and just realizing how many players were
in the league, how many moving parts, how much is
going on, how much work it takes, whether you're a coach,
whether you're a GM, whether you call games to follow
the league. I mean truly know it, like who is
the fourth wide receiver on the Jacks and you know
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you saw Romo taking a lot of shit. Well part
of it the amount of effort it takes to truly
be all in and football is very difficult. Just as
far as the most amount of players, it has the
most inventory every year of new guys coming in. Guys
get cut all the time, random guys. You can watch
any game, whether it's the Niners or the worst team
in the league, and they got a random dude that
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was in the XFL a year ago. It is time consuming.
This is not the NBA where seven people play. Yeah,
that's what I said about Romo is that the league
turns over every three years now. I joked about golf
as an aside. I said, I think Tony wants to
play on the tour? Does he does? He does? He hits.
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You know people A lot of people tag me and
said John, I said, why I found a way to
monetize golf. Big difference. Yeah, bring the revenue stream to
the volume the people you do. Golf is addictive and
I've known a lot of people that go down it
and they fall in love with golf and fall out
of love with their job. But you know the one
thing with Tony Romo is that Tony's always had Even
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as a player, his style was sort of winging it.
I mean, he winged it. That's what it always felt like.
So that's what he's like as a broadcaster. By the way,
Peyton Manning was surgical in his preparation. Well, if you
watch the Mannings on Monday night, Peyton Manning's got so
much information. So you become Aikman. Aikman's another guy very
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prepared as a player, very prepared as a broadcaster. So
I think you become what you were as a player.
So Brady, Brady will be fantastic. And again, however that
whatever happens happens, it's none of my business. But the
question with Tom, Yeah, it's that's why when he said
I want to take a year off, I think Tom
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just he'll do a deep dive on everything, and you know,
I can't wait to hear him. I well, you know
I heard I forget who it was. You'll see a
lot of people have predicted, well, you know, I don't
know how he'll be. He's not a guy that fails
a ton. Peyton Manning's not a guy that fails a ton.
I mean, that's an example. Charles Barkley was known as
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a bad practice player, and he doesn't do a ton
of prep on TNT. Now he's just naturally funny and
that's what comes off. But they joke that he doesn't
follow a lot of the teams. Well, he wasn't a
great practice player. He struggled with his weight, he wasn't
really great in terms of nutrition and commitment. So that's
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what he is as a broadcaster. He just is so
naturally funny and likable that he pulls it off. You know,
my first reaction last week when Sean Payton took the
job was one, if you're Denver, no brain or hiring him.
If you're a Denver Broncos fan, they got a lot
of them, I'd be fired up. And my first reaction
was like, God, that's pretty risky, you know, the quarterback situation.
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And then I realized like part of what you know, ambitious, confident,
Like it was risky for you to start the volume,
it was risky when you moved companies to come to
FS one like part of getting the reaping big time
rewards is taking Andy Reid went to the Chiefs. They
had the number one overall pick. They did not have
a quarterback at the time. So confident, talented people take
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big risk because typically they know deep down the percentage
and the chances of them succeeding at that are relatively higher.
You see today there was a story already changed out
the towels like he's on everything. This guy is going
in there like a bull in a china shot. That
thing is gonna it's gonna be hard for him to fail.
Now the quarterback situation, Russell's got to be better, and
if he's just shot, then that's gonna be a problem.
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But so now they have a last place schedule, so
that's it. Secondly, they at the end of the year
they actually played Kansas City tight. They played better. So
when Hackett left the building about two weeks later, they
got competent. So I said this today, it's not like
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you're going from a solid coach who got fired. Vic
Fangio absolutely excellent. One side of the ball. You're not
going from Vic Fangio to Sean Payton. You're going from
Freddie Kitchens to Sean Payton. You're going from somebody that
just isn't a head coach to Sean Payton. And how
many games do they win? Three or four or five?
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Now I saw their schedule, the schedules easier, and now
you have a world class coach instead of a coordinator.
So and by the way, Derek Carr is out of
the division. Tom Brady's retired, So what if the Raiders
are less competent. The over under I had guessed it
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would be eight and a half it was. I got
lucky on that with the staff. I said in the
morning meeting the day it was announced, I said, they've
got to be eight and a half, and that's what
it was. I would bet the over. I think it's
a nine to a ten win team, schedules easier, the
defense still good. You know this. The cat flexibility is
a problem, But what's not is getting draft picks. You
can get draft picks very quickly in this league by
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moving people. The Rams could trade Jalen Rampsy and get
a first and a four and suddenly they have all
their picks. You can make moves. If you have elite players,
you would never want to move Patrick Surtan. But if
you had to move with Jerry Judy or you had
to move somebody, you can get second, third, fourth round
picks real quick. The other thing is having a powerful
offensive coach. You can draft and hit on good players
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or turn them into good players in the fourth, fifth, sixth,
seventh round. He had a lot of guys over his
tenure that impacted their teams that were not second round picks.
You know, Marcus Colson, Jimmy Graham, I wasn't a top
first round pick. You can get really good players when
you have an offensive coach who's also the play caller
in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And that to me
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is where he comes through. We're when you're paying a
guy seventeen million dollars Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan that that's
where it impacts you. Yeah, he Sean told me off
the air. He said, basically, we want to make our
offense basketball on grass. He goes, if you look at
what Russell does well, And by the way, when Hackett
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left last couple of weeks, Sean Russell Wilson moved more
and the offense was more successful. They want to play
to Russell strain, which is elusiveness, mobility, the soft deep ball.
You know what I think happened is that Hackett had
an offense went to Denver. It was Aaron's offense, and
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it wasn't built for Russell, and he just didn't have
a second offense, whereas Peyton has had a Taysom Hill offense,
Drew Breeze offense, Adulton offense. So Sean has been doing
this a long long time. I just don't think Hackett
had an offense in his repertoire for Russell. And that's
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why they when we kept screaming change the offense, he
didn't have it. You're asking somebody to throw Kershaw's curve
and they don't the curve. So that's why it was
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the Super Bowl. You know, I was looking a couple
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of days ago. When you the coach and the quarterback
to win two Super Bowls together, it's a pretty short list,
especially in modern day. I would say, like starting Walsh
Montana on a lot of teams that won multiple Super
Bowls did it with multiple, you know, multiple quarterbacks and
Andy and Mahomes. Obviously Belichick and Brady have six, Montana
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and Walsh have three. Shanahan and Elway have the two,
but it happened at the end of Elway's career, so
it didn't get to happen over a long period of time,
which who knows they maybe they had more. I would
say the outlier is Kaflin and Eli that had these
two unique runs, but it wasn't like a prolonged success.
I don't know if anyone's ever catching Belichick and Brady,
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you would bet against it winning six Super Bowls together
as a head coach in the quarterback. But I think
Andy Mahomes, if they knocked this thing out Sunday, do
have an opportunity one day to kind of be right
there as the modern day version of Walsh and Montana. Well,
when Belichick ran the league for twenty years, most of
twenty years, there was certainly an argument. In the last
fifteen of those years, Andy Reid was the second best coach.
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He was getting to the NFC championship four or five
times at a Super Bowl, and he was one of
the coaches that gave Belichick problems. Then he goes to
Kansas City two wins to I think eleven overnight, and
then he's at the end of Bill's great New England
days and he was beating him with Mahomes. And so
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I argued this when Bill was running the league and
he was arguably the second best coach. With Andy now
running the league, Bill's not second. He's struggling to get
into the playoffs. We view like Shanny or McVeigh or Peyton,
And so my takeaway is Andy is sixty four If
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he coached his sixty eight and won two to three
of these things. I think we would look at it differently,
which would be when the rules leaned to Bill, he won,
Andy was second. When the rules leaned Andy, he was one.
Bill wasn't second. So that I think it's going to
even things out and fair historians will say Andy and
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Bill are way closer by the way Bill got fired
in Cleveland. Can't win big without Tom, and he's one
with a lot of people. I would say this for
Coach Read. I remember being at the combine in two
thousand night, right after they hadn't won the Super Bowl,
and a buddy of mine on the staff was like,
you know what's crazy is we had a we had
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a week or two off after we won the super Bowl.
You know, everyone celebrated, and I drove by the facility
and I looked and Coach Read's car was there, and
I had the opportunity worked in the office for company.
I've never I've been around a lot of successful I've
never seen a work ethic like this. To me, the
only thing that's gonna stop this man from coaching, he's
a bigger guy. It would be health, his love and
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passion for the game. And obviously with Mahomes, like he's
gonna coach until he can't coach, you know, coach read
he's in this for the long haul. So I think
the Chiefs, I mean, they've already built like they're kind
of the they win this, they're the dynasty of kind
of this air, but they're not going away. I mean,
they got all these young defensive backs, but Jaco's a
young player. They got all these draft picks, they got
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a dynamic GM. I think the Chiefs are kind of
in this thing for the long haul. Like this ain't
just a cute little five year run. I mean this
is a much more sustainable like holmegrenn and farf Well
then Holmegren left to Seattle and far of kind of
like this thing's gonna go for a while. Oh, I think. So.
I think the only thing that is in the way
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of it is Andy Reid retiring. Yeah, that would be
a problem. So and I said this today, Andy retires.
Let's say they win and he retires, who do you hire?
Eric the Enemy? No, I mean Eric the Enemy didn't
get a job interview in Chicago and the GM was
formerly in Kansas City. He didn't get an interview. I
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think it'd be Matt Naggy. You know, I know he
struggled in Chicago, but him and Veach played college football together.
Him and Mahomes are tight. Again. I don't I don't know,
I don't know anything. I would be stunned if Andy
retires in the near future. Hell again, he's family stuff.
But I think the Chiefs and I think he knows.
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I mean, obviously he was there with young Farv. He's
seen McNabb a little vic. This is as special as again.
I mean that quarterback a couple of weeks ago. That
was a legendary performance on a bum ankle in a
game against an all time Joe Burrow is gonna be
an all time great player. That's gonna go down as
one of his defining moments, even if he goes on
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to win four more Super Bowls. I was actually blown
away by Steve Spagnola because Burrow has really evened out
his game. So his first year he gets hurt. His
second year he was mostly good, but he had some stinkers.
Remember the game against Chicago, he had like three picks
and three passes, so he was uneven. This year, he
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didn't have a bad Sunday. Now week one, first game
off surgery, he struggled. He didn't have another bad Sunday
until the Chiefs, and it was like, we didn't we
don't view Kansas City as a great defense. So Spag
got half for him in the first half, gave him
some problems with rookies in the back end in the
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second half. So are we watching are we watching a
defense of the Chiefs? That situationally is just better than
we think. Because Burrow this year just did not have
bad Sundays. I mean he went about sixteen he went
at fifteen to sixteen weeks. He was good every Sunday. Well,
that to me, Sunday is the Niners for about a
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quarter and a half until that thing fell apart. Had
a game plan against Jalen pick us apart, bro pick
us apart. We don't think you're missing throws. We are
not going to just rush up the field. We're gonna
make you beat us with your arm. And he couldn't
do it. And I heard Greg Cosell. He did not
He did not look good. He didn't really have to
do anything for the game. And to me, that's the
game plan is make him beat you with his arm,
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do not over rush him. I think that's the most
fascinating part about this game. The Jalen hurts early in
the season was so dynamic it didn't matter, like he
could make place because he can turn into a running back.
This version, it's hard to quantify because you don't see
him limp in, you don't see him holding a short
but something is off. Who knows. Maybe now we've had
two weeks, maybe he's healthier. But if the version that
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we saw Jalen against the forty nine ers, I mean,
I like the Chiefs in this game. If that's the
guy playing, yeah, he just didn't have any touch, so
and you're gonna have to have touch. And then, let's
be fair. Super Bowls are different. It's different playing at
home against the Giants or brock Purty goes out and
(27:27):
he looked a little off against brock Purdy. Now you're
facing Mahomes neutral field, a lot of Chiefs fans. That's
a totally different ball game. And again, although there's rookies
everywhere in the back end, I hope Snead concussion protocol
can play for the Chiefs. He fortunately gets a long break,
but I can see scenarios where Andy Reid dials it up.
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Chiefs take a lead, a lot of you know, multiple sets,
a lot of stuff they haven't seen. All of a sudden,
phil Delphia gets down. Jalen is a little tight for
a series, Kansas City gets it again, goes up ten
nothing or fourteen nothing, all of a sudden, Hurts Now
is really tight. I can see that scenario. I mean
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Kansas City. You know, early in mahomes career he'd fall
in of these huge deficits and come roaring back. Yeah,
the new Patrick Mahomes has taken leads, so he's obviously
better at staying on the script early, not veering from it,
taking leads. So I can absolutely see Kansas City winning
the coin toss, taking it, taking a lead and thinking,
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and Andy thinking, guys, let's make Jalen Hurts play from
behind neutral field. You know Super Bowls are different. Everybody's
a little tight, No, I know. I mean, I heard
you on the show today you leaning Eagles a little bit.
It's assuming Jalen's health. I said this today. I know
the chin will be available. Will Jalen land the punch?
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There are matchup advantages for Philly, they have better roster,
But I want to see him. He didn't land, He
couldn't land against San Francisco. They just basically fell apart.
So I know Mahomes will land his opportunities. I don't
think he'll have as many. So my initial, my gut feeling,
was the matchup really favors Philadelphia. If you told me
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Jalen Hurts, If you told me Jalen Hurt's first half
line and said, okay, he's you know, he's seven for twelve,
I'd be like, they're a little bit of trouble. I
think it's very obvious what Kansas City and Spags want
to do. It's exactly what Damiko Ryans wanted to do.
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Make Jalen beat us, and he didn't look good. I
saw this story. Jeremy Fowler wrote that there's a chance
that the Ravens and Lamar are more than one hundred
or potentially one hundred million dollars apart. And you've talked
for a long time about like Iyrie's a bad business partner,
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Like it's just bad to be in business with him. Well,
part of just doing a deal with the player, Like
it's one thing if I think you're a ten million
dollars player and you think you're a twelve and we
can bridge. If you're trying to sell me a home
and your home's worth two million and I offer one
point eight, we can figure it out. But if your
home's were two and I'm offering six hundred thousand, we
ain't going to get a deal done. So it's starting
to get to the point like one hundred millions. These
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aren't eight hundred million dollar contracts. That's what are we
talking about here, Like, listen, I understand this outlier contract
of Deshaun Watson, but it feels like Lamar is starting
to be in la la land a little bit about
what's going on. Because one hundred million dollars this is
the NFL. That is most contracts ninety nine percent of players.
So I'm saying, a hundred million dollar contracts, what are
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we doing? Well? We know by watching Lamar Jackson. He's
wildly emotional. He gets so mad at Lamar. Right, So
he's young, he's a motion So when he has his
mom as an agent and not somebody who does this professionally,
that means the reason I have an agent just to
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keep me out of it. Yeah, he feels very much
in it. So you're talking about a young man who's
highly emotional, probably feels slighted, disrespected, and there's probably a
lot of you know, there's probably a little bit of
turbulence in this thing. And and so I could see,
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you know, they have offered him a cond I think
they offered him one hundred and thirty three millions. So
if they're one hundred off, he wants two thirty three.
What I wonder is this is if he's not going
to use an agent, it's just going to be an
emotional relationship, would you move him because you could get
with somebody with picks. I mean, Seattle has two ones,
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two twos, two fours. If you're Baltimore and it's like,
we'll give you Lamar today, give us one of your ones,
one of your two's, one of your fours, and a one.
Next year, Baltimore drafts John and develops really, really well,
we'll take Gino and we'll draft another quarterback. The Jets
would also they're an emotional franchise that are desperate. I
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think when you look at Lamar, that word emotion is
a good one because it goes back to the combine.
One guy said you should play receiver. They got all
up in their emotions. They refused to run. It's like, Lamar,
if you had just ran the forty, you would have
ran like a four to two eight or a four
three one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you're
lasting to pick thirty two. When you run that fast,
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you would have gone way higher and said you've fallen.
You need to somehow separate this because this is a
disaster right now. You don't have anyone who can go
shop you around right now because everything is so close
to the vest. This is starting to fall apart. I
used to be on his side, like listen, they are
so they're you know, his success and their success are
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clearly tied. John Harbow is gonna get fired before he
came around. But now this is going like, Lamar, your
guys aren't getting some bad advice and you're gonna get traded.
I'm with you. I think I do wonder with Seattle,
they feel like this is they're shot to like assuming
they love one of these quarterbacks to kind of John
Snyder loved Russell Wilson, was big on Josh Allen, and
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I could see him having one of these three guys
at the top really love and go all in for him.
You know he's you gotta give him this credit. Like
when it comes to quarterbacks, they've had a pretty keynote,
even Gino, like they were proven to be pretty right
on that one. Well again, Seattle has so it's part
of trading for Lamar Colin. You'd have been have to
give him one hundred and ninety million dollars or whatever
he wants, right, So double whammy. You gotta trade and
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then pay well. Seattle though, not only do they have
draft capital, They're gonna move off Jamal Adams here pretty quick. Yeah.
They both tackles, free running back Kenneth Walker, both corners.
They hit the draft out of the park. John. They
got six draft fees that are starting. That's six starters.
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You're not paying anything too, so Seattle, and by the way,
they have I think they need another receiver. But if
you bring Lamar in, dk Metcalfine Lockett are more than
enough and Noah Fan and Will Disley. So Seattle's got
draft capital. They're gonna move off Jamal Adams, I think
because I think they like their other safeties. And my
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takeaway with Seattle is they're not paying a lot of people.
They're not and Lamar though expensive would not be Mahomes
expensive would not be Josh Allen expensive. I mean, I
could see Seattle giving them a one to two to
four and you still have a one, two and a four,
you know on another quarterback, Derek, Listen, there's unless you
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got Josh Allen, Mahomes, borrow potentially Herbert and we'll see
on Lawrence. Like most of these guys under thirty, you're
not gonna You're not winning Super Bowl, you know, unless
your team is stacked like the Eagles. But you have
Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Derek Carr. Do I love
paying those guys thirty five forty million dollars? No, But
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if your team, if you're a well run operation, you're
gonna make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs,
that means all season long, your team matters, and that's
worth a lot. Like ultimately the Vikings this year thirteen wins,
Jerry twelve wins. They were never winning the Super Bowl
to begin with, but go into the second round. How
hosting a playoff game is worth a lot to the owner.
To meet Derek has a lot of value if you
just get him in a stable organization. You put him
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with the Saints, maybe you get him with Frank in
the Carolina If that gets you ten win in the playoffs,
that is well worth thirty two million dollars, is it not.
I think this one seems obvious. He's gonna get cut.
He's gonna get cut here, I think in a week,
because he's not gonna get traded. So if you're cut, Like,
if you're Carolina and you want him, wouldn't you give
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somebody a pick to secure him? Would you? If if
it's if he's cut, what's the order in which you
have to buy to get him? But I would just
tell his agent we will give him like a three
year contract. You know, I'll give you three years, ninety
million dollars and guarantee US sixty of it. Like I
will give you way more money than what we trade
for you. But we want to give you a multi
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year deal, not even just some one thirty. We will
give you several years. And he can still draft a
guy in the second or third round and figure it
out as you go. But you get someone who comes
in and can play. Say what you want about Cousins.
Since he's been in Minnesota, he has not been their
main problem. Does he have flaws? We dump it down
on fourth down in the playoffs? Yes, but you're in
the playoff game. Think how many think how many teams
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in the league would have died to be in that
spot hosting a playoff game thirteen wins? So yeah, I
think Derek the smart business move no trade clause, cut
me because someone's gonna get I'm too good of a quarterback.
I'm too high level of a guy. I've never been
in trouble. I mean I played for the Raiders. Also,
Derek doesn't want to go to a place that had
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to surrender picks. He wants them to have their draft capital.
So if Derek has a no trade clause, which he does,
Derek can say no, no, no, no, no, no no
to all of them. So Derek control has all the
leverage here for sure. Then he gets cut and then
you know. One of the things I saw a story
about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders today, and my takeaway
(37:19):
is You're gonna have no roster flexibility with Aaron's contract
because they also paid Jacobs, Colton Miller, Max Chandler Waller.
So you have no roster flexibility. You can't give up
that and picks. So when people say, well give give
the Packers two ones and two twos, those are four
starters in two years. On defense, like this is what
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Denver's in. Denver's like, we got no cap roster flexibility
and we don't have any picks. So to me, the
Raiders are in a weird spot. I think, I honestly
think the NFC is so weak John that Derek Carr,
Frank Reich in that defense win that division going away.
(38:02):
I agree, totally agree. I mean they can win. They
can be hosting multiple playoff games next year. Absolutely. You
know this. I forgot about Aaron got it. Can never
let you out here with that in Aaron Rodgers, what's
your How do you think this all plays out? Fifty
one percent? Green Bay? I think green You still you
still think he might stay, yes, because I always come
(38:25):
back to Green Bay. Minnesota's not going to go eleven
and oz in one score games. That doesn't work that way.
The year before they lost them all. This year they
won them all. So you can just take three or
four those because with cousins, you don't blow a lot
of people out. You don't. There's a ceiling. So they're
gonna hire Brian Flores on defense, but it will be
(38:47):
better defensively, so they may be a better overall team,
but they're not going to go eleven and oh and
one score games. If Aaron stayed, they address the tight
end position and an edge rusher. They got all their picks.
I think they're going to win the division. Bear still stink.
I don't trust Detroit, so in Minnesota will come back
down to Earth. I still think that's the place where
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Aaron can host a playoff game. Aaron is being very
casual about his future, and I think it's actually a
brilliant business decision because whoever goes and gets Aaron, you
can't give up a lot of loot to get him.
And so in Aaron's smart remember when Mellow forced his
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way to the Knicks, and the Knicks had no leverage,
had to give a ton up. Mellow arrived in New
York and he was a twenty million dollar chandelier in
an empty house that no players. So by Aaron saying
I may play, I may not. I mean the Raiders
will go, okay, can we get two ones? And you're like,
how about a one and two twos? I'm not sure
you can get more on the market. I know I've
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talked to a gim about this. What are you willing
to give up for a guy that can retire after
a year? Well, to me, think about his contemporaries, right, Obviously,
Brady was like, I'm playing to like I'm fifty. You
know I'm never gonna quit. Manning never would have quit
if his arm didn't fall off, Breeze couldn't throw. If
you traded for those guys when they were still as
(40:10):
good as Aaron, you just knew they were gonna play
until they couldn't play anymore. Aaron has been talking about
retirement now consistently for several years, and he's doing weird stuff.
I think if he operated like Peyton or Breeze, teams
would have no problem. I'll give you two ones for
thirty if a guy for more years. But he's the opposite.
You think he's doing it specifically to limit or that's
(40:31):
actually what he thinks. Well, I said today, I don't know.
It may be an incidental, accidental stroke of genius, but
it does pretty much guarantee that whoever trades for him
won't have to give up as much as if Instead
of saying I'm playing forever, so I mean, I think
I always put myself in the spot. If I'm the
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Raiders GM, I'd be like, all right, oh, I want Aaron,
but I can get Garoppolo and not give up anything.
I'll give you two ones. That's it. No more picks,
no more. I would do two ones for Aaron, but
I wouldn't give you more than that. That's it. And
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when you consider he was an MVP back to back MVP,
you know two years ago, that's not a lot. Go
look what Russell Wilson fetched. I think the way you
have to do it is that second pick is based
on like, if we have success my first year and
he returns that, if we make the AFC Championship game,
I'll give you two ones. If he retires on me,
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that one turns into a four, you know something. But
there has to be some We're taking on some risk
here because this guy could be you know, in the
jungles in South America. You know, I don't know where
he's gonna be, right. I saw your guy Klatt Blast
in the USC recruiting class. I know you got any
any thoughts on the players? Lincoln's he he didn't love,
(41:58):
not enough defense in the class and any Colin Coward
thoughts on that one. Yeah, My thoughts are, when you
have Caleb Williams to eight to eighteen year olds, do
you any good? Next year he's bringing in twenty one
year old players who were like all conference guys. So
he brings in one of the best corners in the
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conference and one of the best receivers from Arizona. He
brings in a top linebacker from Oklahoma State. They're going
for the national championship next year. They're they're not going
for They brought a running back in from South Carolina.
He's a five star guy. So I think the way
Lincoln looks at it is, listen, if we were rebuilding
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at quarterback, it's the long play. It's not. They believe
they were two plays from thirteen wins and they wouldn't
have been blown out if Caleb stayed healthy. So they
believe everybody on their schedule they're going and they will
be a better defensive team. They have better personnel, they're deeper.
But the reason they went light on high schoolers is
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because they're playing for a national title next year. That's
how they view it. A playoff spot. Well, those eighteen
year olds can be five star. They're not gonna play.
They're not gonna get on the field. They had a
kid this year, Relief Brown. He was a running back,
five star kid, clever player, had no real impact, probably
six plays all year because they had like Austin Jones
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and they had Travis Dye. We're like four years older,
so they've been in a college weight room for four years.
They're just they're just men. So I mean, I looked
at USC's recruiting class. They're high school recruiting class. This year.
They brought in about fifteen kids. They have two that
are gonna play. One of them, Za Carrion Branch, is
a wide receiver. He will play. He's Reggie Bush on
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the perimeter. He is a wildly explosive player. He will
play the lineman, won't. They brought in a linebacker from Louisiana.
He'll be a rotational player. But I'm not sure any
of them outside of Branch have a chance to start.
And they're mostly four star kids, so this is not
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Remember when Nick Saban started at Alabama, the transfer portal
didn't exist like this, so he was building for the
long haul. And even Nick brought in multiple junior college
guys those first three years because Nick didn't want to
wait four years to rebuild. He wanted to be a
title contender by year two. And I think he won
it in year three. Yeah, So I think next year
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they'll probably wean off the portal a little. Well, here's
where the portals really effective, John, there's fewer whiffs. You
have tape their division one. You bring in twelve guys.
Eleven can play that day. So even Saban in a
twenty five person class, Saban, eight guys can't play, and
(45:06):
there's another eight that either academically, physically, emotionally they underachieve.
You get about eight guys a class who live up
to the four to five star that's with Saban. So
I think the future is transfers. At least half your
class have to be transfers. So do you think there's
pressure on him to obviously win the conference and just
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a minimum make it to the playoffs when he's got,
you know, maybe the best prospect they've ever had. I
don't even think it's pressure. I think I think he
looks at Caleb is easily the best player in the country.
So and they've asked Caleb to help in recruiting with
these portal transfer kids, so it's like, what do we
So they went to Arizona and they got this kid
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singer or a wide receiver. Well, he's going to be
a late first early second round pick. So if I
get a five star receiver, he's not as good as
that kid. He ate USC's DBS alive last year and
they and Lincoln told people, we gotta get that guy.
By the way, they also had a corner that was
really good. Lincoln's like, we gotta get that guy's guys.
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Jed couldn't have Oh he wasn't. But that's you know,
it's college football in two thousand and twenty three. You
gotta try whatever you gain to keep your guys, and
it's part of the deal. Yeah. I mean, if again,
I think Caleb is the first quarterback. I mean, very
few quarterbacks they put in the Andrew Luck Trevor Lawrence
class where they're gonna succeed regardless of mismanagement. I think
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Caleb maybe the third guy. I think he's that good. Yeah,
I think he's one of the biggest. He'll be one
of the most anticipated college stars in a long time. Yeah,
you know, just Luck was obviously great college player, and
he was fun to watch for the football nerds. But
this guy's running around, he's got a little bit stronger
of an arm, a little more just the casual fan.
You don't need to be Bill Polian to realize that. Jeez,
(46:57):
a little Michael Vick to him. But he also can
kind of throw like luck. It's just this guy might
just be I mean, he's gonna be the number one
overall pick. Yeah he will d yes pretty good quarterback draft.
So you know, if you if you suck this year
your team does, you might as well enjoy it because
it might lead to greatness. Yeah, well, Colin, when you
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head it out to Arizona, I'm doing the Wednesday show
from Los Angeles. I get on a flight to Phoenix,
go to the Volume party. All right, you're gonna be there,
of course, I will see you there yet. Then Thursday
Friday do the shows, and then I fly back Saturday morning,
where I'm gonna hang out and watch the game from
home and take notes as I do every year. That's
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what I do, So I can't wait. I'm excited. We'll
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I was at the gym today and I had FS
one on the television, and all of a sudden, I
(03:20):
look up and I see this beautiful man next to
Colin Coward, and it's no other than Tom Brady, who
looked tanner than you. Colin. He looks fantastic. He's he's
a good looking guy. He is, he is, I said
during the interview, never try to limit your appearances on
a TV screen. Next to Tom Brady, he and Jesse
(03:40):
Palmer make even a moderately you know, redeemable guy. And
I think moderately redeemables where I classify you look like
you're out bailing. Hey, you've been in a You've been
in a ditch for six hours. Next to Brady, you
did a thing a long time ago on year Old.
You're the old place that when you walked in the
hallways you crossed Jesse Palmer. You just realized it. It
(04:03):
wasn't a fair game for all of us, right, I mean,
he's I would take an exit. I just jumped into
an office, didn't even I didn't want to be seen
in the same space. So but Brady was in New York.
They want something with the sun and uh yeah, I
mean he's Uh. I tried to Butter. I had a
joke to start because I know, you know, there's Tom
(04:26):
on that podcast kind of has control of it. So
I wanted to lighten up the mood with a Mike
Rabel thought, because I know he's close with Rabel, and
it got Tom in a good mood and we were
off and rolling for about twelve fifteen minutes. But you know,
I was very gracious. I've you know, I've interviewed almost
I think everybody, you know, Tiger Woods, Barack, Obama, Trump, Uh,
(04:47):
you know, every coach, anybody I've wanted. He was one
of the last ones. So it was great. Well, I
got two things on it. To me. One thing that
stood out. You asked him a very direct question, is
there a one percent chance of you coming back? And
the thing I noticed, and I understand it's, you know,
this game is meant the light. It's his life, it's
(05:08):
his identity. He refused to use the word retirement, and
I mean he kind of beat around the bush, but
he did not say like It's not like he easily
could have said, Colin, under no chance, I'm taking this
year off. Next year be a Fox, but I am
not coming back under any circumstances. He kind of went
the BELICHICKI and worked around it. What would your take
(05:29):
on that? Well, you know, now his business is on
the East coast, right, so I mean Tom will be
able to throw the football. He set two NFL records
this year, So Tom will be able to throw the
football in ten years from now. As Drew Bledsoe always says,
you don't lose the arm, you'll lose the legs, You'll
(05:49):
lose the desire. So Tom. If Tom stays in shape,
I don't doubt. And let's say the Niner things just
implodes totally and they can call him in August and
say can you play October first? I think you take
the phone call. You know, the Niners one, even though
it's cross country. The roster is so good, you know,
(06:13):
there's just there's part of me that thinks, how would
he not take the call? Because it's not a quarterback
demanding job, it's a quarterback friendly job. Now, when I
watched Brady at the Beach, I thought it was over.
And his answer today, though he didn't give a definitive
I still think it's over. But I let's say I
(06:35):
retired and I meant it. What if a year later,
like the greatest job ever is offered, I'd probably pick
the phone up. You know. I mean it's like Tom
looks great, still has a great arm, just was in
an offense that completely utterly depended on him and got
them to win the division. So I think he's done.
(06:58):
But just because you're done doesn't mean you know, he's
not only a football player, he's an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs always
picked the phone up. You know, obviously I lived in
Northern California a long time, and you know, you're a
fan of your team, but as you grow older, whether
you play or whether you just do different things, that separates.
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But there is an element of one, the guy loves
to win and the team is set up to win.
And two, like I lost my dad a couple of
years ago, and you know you've lost parents, there is
a unique part as your parents' age if you do
have the opportunity to do something special with them. So
that's I'd be shocked if not just Kyl, but I've
bet Josh McDaniels as well. Those two teams, to me,
(07:41):
are going to have a conversation with this man. Now,
whether Tom comes back, but those conversations are going to
be had. Yeah, just because you retire doesn't mean people
can't read out exactly. So I think Tom has retired.
It felt authentic to me, But you know, let's and
Troy Aikman got phone calls Drew Brees has gotten phone calls.
(08:05):
That's the way the game is. Like when you retire
and you're great, you know this, Three to four teams
every year get trapped every year. Happens in training camp.
So yeah, I mean it's like Tom's going to get calls.
I think he's gonna say no to all of them,
but the Niners because of the roster. You at least
(08:28):
take the call. Poor yourself, Poor yourself a pint and
sit and talk for thirty minutes and laugh, you know.
I mean, you have to take the call, you know.
And last thing on Tom. One thing I found funny
is a lot of people, you know, the media, critics
and Twitter or whatever, think, you know, it's Greg Olsen
has done a great job, and listen, he's good and
he seems like a fantastic guy. But it's crazy that
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Tom Brady just gets to come in and take the
job no experience. The reality is there's a small percentage
of people Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady if they
want the number one gig. I don't care who it
is they're getting replaced, unless it is John Madden Tom
Brady sitting in that seat. Regardless who's there. It's just
there's a level of fame that Tom has a massed.
(09:10):
I would say the last five or six years take
them to another stratosphere that it's just great, great, But
Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I stay out of those conversations. Greg is fantastic, And
now Tom announced that Greg's going to do it again
with Kevin Burkhart. Yeah, because I think Tom really a
(09:33):
needs the ex hail and b wants to figure out
how to do this to be great at it. So
that'll be something. But my bosses figure out, you know,
they don't include me in those conversations, like right, So
I don't know. I'm glad that I'm a broadcaster and
I don't really have to do that because the one
thing Fox does a remarkable job at they're really good
(09:57):
at it is production. When I worked at ESPN, there
were there were tons of talented people, but I didn't
think we were overly creative some of I mean, ESPN's
had that NBA pregame show for twenty years. I still
don't think they ever get it perfectly right. Fox figured
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out soccer quickly. Took him about two years to figure
out golf, their World Series coverage, their college football Big Ten,
the show they did with Urban Meyer. From a production standpoint,
Fox does TV really well. Everything feels big, and so
Brady feels huge. So he's a natural choice for Fox.
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I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do
in a year. I just know, you know, Tom signed
on as the number one guy, Greg Olson, and this
doesn't surprise me at all. Is amazing. I've known Greg
for over ten years, so I'm glad somebody else does that.
But you know, I thought, you know, today, I because
I had thought about it. I thought I'm gonna asked Tom, Dude, Okay,
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you just I mean, wouldn't you want to He's been
playing football for forty years, probably thirty eight. It's like,
I don't want to take a big long exhale, and
he did. You know. I hadn't read the story, but
I saw your take and then I googled it, The
Tony Romo Intervention, and I think one underrated part. I
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remember getting hired in the NFL and just thinking, like
I know football and just realizing how many players were
in the league, how many moving parts, how much is
going on, how much work it takes, whether you're a coach,
whether you're a GM, whether you call games to follow
the league. I mean truly know it, like who is
the fourth wide receiver on the Jacks and you know
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you saw Romo taking a lot of shit. Well part
of it the amount of effort it takes to truly
be all in and football is very difficult. Just as
far as the most amount of players, it has the
most inventory every year of new guys coming in. Guys
get cut all the time, random guys. You can watch
any game, whether it's the Niners or the worst team
in the league, and they got a random dude that
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was in the XFL a year ago. It is time consuming.
This is not the NBA where seven people play. Yeah,
that's what I said about Romo is that the league
turns over every three years now. I joked about golf
as an aside. I said, I think Tony wants to
play on the tour? Does he does? He does? He hits.
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You know people A lot of people tag me and
said John, I said, why I found a way to
monetize golf. Big difference. Yeah, bring the revenue stream to
the volume the people you do. Golf is addictive and
I've known a lot of people that go down it
and they fall in love with golf and fall out
of love with their job. But you know the one
thing with Tony Romo is that Tony's always had Even
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as a player, his style was sort of winging it.
I mean, he winged it. That's what it always felt like.
So that's what he's like as a broadcaster. By the way,
Peyton Manning was surgical in his preparation. Well, if you
watch the Mannings on Monday night, Peyton Manning's got so
much information. So you become Aikman. Aikman's another guy very
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prepared as a player, very prepared as a broadcaster. So
I think you become what you were as a player.
So Brady, Brady will be fantastic. And again, however that
whatever happens happens, it's none of my business. But the
question with Tom, Yeah, it's that's why when he said
I want to take a year off, I think Tom
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just he'll do a deep dive on everything, and you know,
I can't wait to hear him. I well, you know
I heard I forget who it was. You'll see a
lot of people have predicted, well, you know, I don't
know how he'll be. He's not a guy that fails
a ton. Peyton Manning's not a guy that fails a ton.
I mean, that's an example. Charles Barkley was known as
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a bad practice player, and he doesn't do a ton
of prep on TNT. Now he's just naturally funny and
that's what comes off. But they joke that he doesn't
follow a lot of the teams. Well, he wasn't a
great practice player. He struggled with his weight, he wasn't
really great in terms of nutrition and commitment. So that's
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what he is as a broadcaster. He just is so
naturally funny and likable that he pulls it off. You know,
my first reaction last week when Sean Payton took the
job was one, if you're Denver, no brain or hiring him.
If you're a Denver Broncos fan, they got a lot
of them, I'd be fired up. And my first reaction
was like, God, that's pretty risky, you know, the quarterback situation.
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And then I realized like part of what you know, ambitious, confident,
Like it was risky for you to start the volume,
it was risky when you moved companies to come to
FS one like part of getting the reaping big time
rewards is taking Andy Reid went to the Chiefs. They
had the number one overall pick. They did not have
a quarterback at the time. So confident, talented people take
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big risk because typically they know deep down the percentage
and the chances of them succeeding at that are relatively higher.
You see today there was a story already changed out
the towels like he's on everything. This guy is going
in there like a bull in a china shot. That
thing is gonna it's gonna be hard for him to fail.
Now the quarterback situation, Russell's got to be better, and
if he's just shot, then that's gonna be a problem.
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But so now they have a last place schedule, so
that's it. Secondly, they at the end of the year
they actually played Kansas City tight. They played better. So
when Hackett left the building about two weeks later, they
got competent. So I said this today, it's not like
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you're going from a solid coach who got fired. Vic
Fangio absolutely excellent. One side of the ball. You're not
going from Vic Fangio to Sean Payton. You're going from
Freddie Kitchens to Sean Payton. You're going from somebody that
just isn't a head coach to Sean Payton. And how
many games do they win? Three or four or five?
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Now I saw their schedule, the schedules easier, and now
you have a world class coach instead of a coordinator.
So and by the way, Derek Carr is out of
the division. Tom Brady's retired, So what if the Raiders
are less competent. The over under I had guessed it
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would be eight and a half it was. I got
lucky on that with the staff. I said in the
morning meeting the day it was announced, I said, they've
got to be eight and a half, and that's what
it was. I would bet the over. I think it's
a nine to a ten win team, schedules easier, the
defense still good. You know this. The cat flexibility is
a problem, But what's not is getting draft picks. You
can get draft picks very quickly in this league by
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moving people. The Rams could trade Jalen Rampsy and get
a first and a four and suddenly they have all
their picks. You can make moves. If you have elite players,
you would never want to move Patrick Surtan. But if
you had to move with Jerry Judy or you had
to move somebody, you can get second, third, fourth round
picks real quick. The other thing is having a powerful
offensive coach. You can draft and hit on good players
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or turn them into good players in the fourth, fifth, sixth,
seventh round. He had a lot of guys over his
tenure that impacted their teams that were not second round picks.
You know, Marcus Colson, Jimmy Graham, I wasn't a top
first round pick. You can get really good players when
you have an offensive coach who's also the play caller
in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And that to me
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is where he comes through. We're when you're paying a
guy seventeen million dollars Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan that that's
where it impacts you. Yeah, he Sean told me off
the air. He said, basically, we want to make our
offense basketball on grass. He goes, if you look at
what Russell does well, And by the way, when Hackett
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left last couple of weeks, Sean Russell Wilson moved more
and the offense was more successful. They want to play
to Russell strain, which is elusiveness, mobility, the soft deep ball.
You know what I think happened is that Hackett had
an offense went to Denver. It was Aaron's offense, and
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it wasn't built for Russell, and he just didn't have
a second offense, whereas Peyton has had a Taysom Hill offense,
Drew Breeze offense, Adulton offense. So Sean has been doing
this a long long time. I just don't think Hackett
had an offense in his repertoire for Russell. And that's
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why they when we kept screaming change the offense, he
didn't have it. You're asking somebody to throw Kershaw's curve
and they don't the curve. So that's why it was
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the Super Bowl. You know, I was looking a couple
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of days ago. When you the coach and the quarterback
to win two Super Bowls together, it's a pretty short list,
especially in modern day. I would say, like starting Walsh
Montana on a lot of teams that won multiple Super
Bowls did it with multiple, you know, multiple quarterbacks and
Andy and Mahomes. Obviously Belichick and Brady have six, Montana
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and Walsh have three. Shanahan and Elway have the two,
but it happened at the end of Elway's career, so
it didn't get to happen over a long period of time,
which who knows they maybe they had more. I would
say the outlier is Kaflin and Eli that had these
two unique runs, but it wasn't like a prolonged success.
I don't know if anyone's ever catching Belichick and Brady,
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you would bet against it winning six Super Bowls together
as a head coach in the quarterback. But I think
Andy Mahomes, if they knocked this thing out Sunday, do
have an opportunity one day to kind of be right
there as the modern day version of Walsh and Montana. Well,
when Belichick ran the league for twenty years, most of
twenty years, there was certainly an argument. In the last
fifteen of those years, Andy Reid was the second best coach.
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He was getting to the NFC championship four or five
times at a Super Bowl, and he was one of
the coaches that gave Belichick problems. Then he goes to
Kansas City two wins to I think eleven overnight, and
then he's at the end of Bill's great New England
days and he was beating him with Mahomes. And so
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I argued this when Bill was running the league and
he was arguably the second best coach. With Andy now
running the league, Bill's not second. He's struggling to get
into the playoffs. We view like Shanny or McVeigh or Peyton,
And so my takeaway is Andy is sixty four If
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he coached his sixty eight and won two to three
of these things. I think we would look at it differently,
which would be when the rules leaned to Bill, he won,
Andy was second. When the rules leaned Andy, he was one.
Bill wasn't second. So that I think it's going to
even things out and fair historians will say Andy and
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Bill are way closer by the way Bill got fired
in Cleveland. Can't win big without Tom, and he's one
with a lot of people. I would say this for
Coach Read. I remember being at the combine in two
thousand night, right after they hadn't won the Super Bowl,
and a buddy of mine on the staff was like,
you know what's crazy is we had a we had
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a week or two off after we won the super Bowl.
You know, everyone celebrated, and I drove by the facility
and I looked and Coach Read's car was there, and
I had the opportunity worked in the office for company.
I've never I've been around a lot of successful I've
never seen a work ethic like this. To me, the
only thing that's gonna stop this man from coaching, he's
a bigger guy. It would be health, his love and
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passion for the game. And obviously with Mahomes, like he's
gonna coach until he can't coach, you know, coach read
he's in this for the long haul. So I think
the Chiefs, I mean, they've already built like they're kind
of the they win this, they're the dynasty of kind
of this air, but they're not going away. I mean,
they got all these young defensive backs, but Jaco's a
young player. They got all these draft picks, they got
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a dynamic GM. I think the Chiefs are kind of
in this thing for the long haul. Like this ain't
just a cute little five year run. I mean this
is a much more sustainable like holmegrenn and farf Well
then Holmegren left to Seattle and far of kind of
like this thing's gonna go for a while. Oh, I think. So.
I think the only thing that is in the way
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of it is Andy Reid retiring. Yeah, that would be
a problem. So and I said this today, Andy retires.
Let's say they win and he retires, who do you hire?
Eric the Enemy? No, I mean Eric the Enemy didn't
get a job interview in Chicago and the GM was
formerly in Kansas City. He didn't get an interview. I
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think it'd be Matt Naggy. You know, I know he
struggled in Chicago, but him and Veach played college football together.
Him and Mahomes are tight. Again. I don't I don't know,
I don't know anything. I would be stunned if Andy
retires in the near future. Hell again, he's family stuff.
But I think the Chiefs and I think he knows.
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I mean, obviously he was there with young Farv. He's
seen McNabb a little vic. This is as special as again.
I mean that quarterback a couple of weeks ago. That
was a legendary performance on a bum ankle in a
game against an all time Joe Burrow is gonna be
an all time great player. That's gonna go down as
one of his defining moments, even if he goes on
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to win four more Super Bowls. I was actually blown
away by Steve Spagnola because Burrow has really evened out
his game. So his first year he gets hurt. His
second year he was mostly good, but he had some stinkers.
Remember the game against Chicago, he had like three picks
and three passes, so he was uneven. This year, he
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didn't have a bad Sunday. Now week one, first game
off surgery, he struggled. He didn't have another bad Sunday
until the Chiefs, and it was like, we didn't we
don't view Kansas City as a great defense. So Spag
got half for him in the first half, gave him
some problems with rookies in the back end in the
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second half. So are we watching are we watching a
defense of the Chiefs? That situationally is just better than
we think. Because Burrow this year just did not have
bad Sundays. I mean he went about sixteen he went
at fifteen to sixteen weeks. He was good every Sunday. Well,
that to me, Sunday is the Niners for about a
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quarter and a half until that thing fell apart. Had
a game plan against Jalen pick us apart, bro pick
us apart. We don't think you're missing throws. We are
not going to just rush up the field. We're gonna
make you beat us with your arm. And he couldn't
do it. And I heard Greg Cosell. He did not
He did not look good. He didn't really have to
do anything for the game. And to me, that's the
game plan is make him beat you with his arm,
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do not over rush him. I think that's the most
fascinating part about this game. The Jalen hurts early in
the season was so dynamic it didn't matter, like he
could make place because he can turn into a running back.
This version, it's hard to quantify because you don't see
him limp in, you don't see him holding a short
but something is off. Who knows. Maybe now we've had
two weeks, maybe he's healthier. But if the version that
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we saw Jalen against the forty nine ers, I mean,
I like the Chiefs in this game. If that's the
guy playing, yeah, he just didn't have any touch, so
and you're gonna have to have touch. And then, let's
be fair. Super Bowls are different. It's different playing at
home against the Giants or brock Purty goes out and
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he looked a little off against brock Purdy. Now you're
facing Mahomes neutral field, a lot of Chiefs fans. That's
a totally different ball game. And again, although there's rookies
everywhere in the back end, I hope Snead concussion protocol
can play for the Chiefs. He fortunately gets a long break,
but I can see scenarios where Andy Reid dials it up.
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Chiefs take a lead, a lot of you know, multiple sets,
a lot of stuff they haven't seen. All of a sudden,
phil Delphia gets down. Jalen is a little tight for
a series, Kansas City gets it again, goes up ten
nothing or fourteen nothing, all of a sudden, Hurts Now
is really tight. I can see that scenario. I mean
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Kansas City. You know, early in mahomes career he'd fall
in of these huge deficits and come roaring back. Yeah,
the new Patrick Mahomes has taken leads, so he's obviously
better at staying on the script early, not veering from it,
taking leads. So I can absolutely see Kansas City winning
the coin toss, taking it, taking a lead and thinking,
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and Andy thinking, guys, let's make Jalen Hurts play from
behind neutral field. You know Super Bowls are different. Everybody's
a little tight, No, I know. I mean, I heard
you on the show today you leaning Eagles a little bit.
It's assuming Jalen's health. I said this today. I know
the chin will be available. Will Jalen land the punch?
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There are matchup advantages for Philly, they have better roster,
But I want to see him. He didn't land, He
couldn't land against San Francisco. They just basically fell apart.
So I know Mahomes will land his opportunities. I don't
think he'll have as many. So my initial, my gut feeling,
was the matchup really favors Philadelphia. If you told me
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Jalen Hurts, If you told me Jalen Hurt's first half
line and said, okay, he's you know, he's seven for twelve,
I'd be like, they're a little bit of trouble. I
think it's very obvious what Kansas City and Spags want
to do. It's exactly what Damiko Ryans wanted to do.
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Make Jalen beat us, and he didn't look good. I
saw this story. Jeremy Fowler wrote that there's a chance
that the Ravens and Lamar are more than one hundred
or potentially one hundred million dollars apart. And you've talked
for a long time about like Iyrie's a bad business partner,
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Like it's just bad to be in business with him. Well,
part of just doing a deal with the player, Like
it's one thing if I think you're a ten million
dollars player and you think you're a twelve and we
can bridge. If you're trying to sell me a home
and your home's worth two million and I offer one
point eight, we can figure it out. But if your
home's were two and I'm offering six hundred thousand, we
ain't going to get a deal done. So it's starting
to get to the point like one hundred millions. These
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aren't eight hundred million dollar contracts. That's what are we
talking about here, Like, listen, I understand this outlier contract
of Deshaun Watson, but it feels like Lamar is starting
to be in la la land a little bit about
what's going on. Because one hundred million dollars this is
the NFL. That is most contracts ninety nine percent of players.
So I'm saying, a hundred million dollar contracts, what are
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we doing? Well? We know by watching Lamar Jackson. He's
wildly emotional. He gets so mad at Lamar. Right, So
he's young, he's a motion So when he has his
mom as an agent and not somebody who does this professionally,
that means the reason I have an agent just to
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keep me out of it. Yeah, he feels very much
in it. So you're talking about a young man who's
highly emotional, probably feels slighted, disrespected, and there's probably a
lot of you know, there's probably a little bit of
turbulence in this thing. And and so I could see,
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you know, they have offered him a cond I think
they offered him one hundred and thirty three millions. So
if they're one hundred off, he wants two thirty three.
What I wonder is this is if he's not going
to use an agent, it's just going to be an
emotional relationship, would you move him because you could get
with somebody with picks. I mean, Seattle has two ones,
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two twos, two fours. If you're Baltimore and it's like,
we'll give you Lamar today, give us one of your ones,
one of your two's, one of your fours, and a one.
Next year, Baltimore drafts John and develops really, really well,
we'll take Gino and we'll draft another quarterback. The Jets
would also they're an emotional franchise that are desperate. I
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think when you look at Lamar, that word emotion is
a good one because it goes back to the combine.
One guy said you should play receiver. They got all
up in their emotions. They refused to run. It's like, Lamar,
if you had just ran the forty, you would have
ran like a four to two eight or a four
three one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you're
lasting to pick thirty two. When you run that fast,
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you would have gone way higher and said you've fallen.
You need to somehow separate this because this is a
disaster right now. You don't have anyone who can go
shop you around right now because everything is so close
to the vest. This is starting to fall apart. I
used to be on his side, like listen, they are
so they're you know, his success and their success are
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clearly tied. John Harbow is gonna get fired before he
came around. But now this is going like, Lamar, your
guys aren't getting some bad advice and you're gonna get traded.
I'm with you. I think I do wonder with Seattle,
they feel like this is they're shot to like assuming
they love one of these quarterbacks to kind of John
Snyder loved Russell Wilson, was big on Josh Allen, and
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I could see him having one of these three guys
at the top really love and go all in for him.
You know he's you gotta give him this credit. Like
when it comes to quarterbacks, they've had a pretty keynote,
even Gino, like they were proven to be pretty right
on that one. Well again, Seattle has so it's part
of trading for Lamar Colin. You'd have been have to
give him one hundred and ninety million dollars or whatever
he wants, right, So double whammy. You gotta trade and
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then pay well. Seattle though, not only do they have
draft capital, They're gonna move off Jamal Adams here pretty quick. Yeah.
They both tackles, free running back Kenneth Walker, both corners.
They hit the draft out of the park. John. They
got six draft fees that are starting. That's six starters.
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You're not paying anything too, so Seattle, and by the way,
they have I think they need another receiver. But if
you bring Lamar in, dk Metcalfine Lockett are more than
enough and Noah Fan and Will Disley. So Seattle's got
draft capital. They're gonna move off Jamal Adams, I think
because I think they like their other safeties. And my
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takeaway with Seattle is they're not paying a lot of people.
They're not and Lamar though expensive would not be Mahomes
expensive would not be Josh Allen expensive. I mean, I
could see Seattle giving them a one to two to
four and you still have a one, two and a four,
you know on another quarterback, Derek, Listen, there's unless you
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got Josh Allen, Mahomes, borrow potentially Herbert and we'll see
on Lawrence. Like most of these guys under thirty, you're
not gonna You're not winning Super Bowl, you know, unless
your team is stacked like the Eagles. But you have
Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Derek Carr. Do I love
paying those guys thirty five forty million dollars? No, But
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if your team, if you're a well run operation, you're
gonna make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs,
that means all season long, your team matters, and that's
worth a lot. Like ultimately the Vikings this year thirteen wins,
Jerry twelve wins. They were never winning the Super Bowl
to begin with, but go into the second round. How
hosting a playoff game is worth a lot to the owner.
To meet Derek has a lot of value if you
just get him in a stable organization. You put him
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with the Saints, maybe you get him with Frank in
the Carolina If that gets you ten win in the playoffs,
that is well worth thirty two million dollars, is it not.
I think this one seems obvious. He's gonna get cut.
He's gonna get cut here, I think in a week,
because he's not gonna get traded. So if you're cut, Like,
if you're Carolina and you want him, wouldn't you give
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somebody a pick to secure him? Would you? If if
it's if he's cut, what's the order in which you
have to buy to get him? But I would just
tell his agent we will give him like a three
year contract. You know, I'll give you three years, ninety
million dollars and guarantee US sixty of it. Like I
will give you way more money than what we trade
for you. But we want to give you a multi
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year deal, not even just some one thirty. We will
give you several years. And he can still draft a
guy in the second or third round and figure it
out as you go. But you get someone who comes
in and can play. Say what you want about Cousins.
Since he's been in Minnesota, he has not been their
main problem. Does he have flaws? We dump it down
on fourth down in the playoffs? Yes, but you're in
the playoff game. Think how many think how many teams
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in the league would have died to be in that
spot hosting a playoff game thirteen wins? So yeah, I
think Derek the smart business move no trade clause, cut
me because someone's gonna get I'm too good of a quarterback.
I'm too high level of a guy. I've never been
in trouble. I mean I played for the Raiders. Also,
Derek doesn't want to go to a place that had
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to surrender picks. He wants them to have their draft capital.
So if Derek has a no trade clause, which he does,
Derek can say no, no, no, no, no, no no
to all of them. So Derek control has all the
leverage here for sure. Then he gets cut and then
you know. One of the things I saw a story
about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders today, and my takeaway
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is You're gonna have no roster flexibility with Aaron's contract
because they also paid Jacobs, Colton Miller, Max Chandler Waller.
So you have no roster flexibility. You can't give up
that and picks. So when people say, well give give
the Packers two ones and two twos, those are four
starters in two years. On defense, like this is what
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Denver's in. Denver's like, we got no cap roster flexibility
and we don't have any picks. So to me, the
Raiders are in a weird spot. I think, I honestly
think the NFC is so weak John that Derek Carr,
Frank Reich in that defense win that division going away.
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I agree, totally agree. I mean they can win. They
can be hosting multiple playoff games next year. Absolutely. You
know this. I forgot about Aaron got it. Can never
let you out here with that in Aaron Rodgers, what's
your How do you think this all plays out? Fifty
one percent? Green Bay? I think green You still you
still think he might stay, yes, because I always come
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back to Green Bay. Minnesota's not going to go eleven
and oz in one score games. That doesn't work that way.
The year before they lost them all. This year they
won them all. So you can just take three or
four those because with cousins, you don't blow a lot
of people out. You don't. There's a ceiling. So they're
gonna hire Brian Flores on defense, but it will be
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better defensively, so they may be a better overall team,
but they're not going to go eleven and oh and
one score games. If Aaron stayed, they address the tight
end position and an edge rusher. They got all their picks.
I think they're going to win the division. Bear still stink.
I don't trust Detroit, so in Minnesota will come back
down to Earth. I still think that's the place where
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Aaron can host a playoff game. Aaron is being very
casual about his future, and I think it's actually a
brilliant business decision because whoever goes and gets Aaron, you
can't give up a lot of loot to get him.
And so in Aaron's smart remember when Mellow forced his
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way to the Knicks, and the Knicks had no leverage,
had to give a ton up. Mellow arrived in New
York and he was a twenty million dollar chandelier in
an empty house that no players. So by Aaron saying
I may play, I may not. I mean the Raiders
will go, okay, can we get two ones? And you're like,
how about a one and two twos? I'm not sure
you can get more on the market. I know I've
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talked to a gim about this. What are you willing
to give up for a guy that can retire after
a year? Well, to me, think about his contemporaries, right, Obviously,
Brady was like, I'm playing to like I'm fifty. You
know I'm never gonna quit. Manning never would have quit
if his arm didn't fall off, Breeze couldn't throw. If
you traded for those guys when they were still as
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good as Aaron, you just knew they were gonna play
until they couldn't play anymore. Aaron has been talking about
retirement now consistently for several years, and he's doing weird stuff.
I think if he operated like Peyton or Breeze, teams
would have no problem. I'll give you two ones for
thirty if a guy for more years. But he's the opposite.
You think he's doing it specifically to limit or that's
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actually what he thinks. Well, I said today, I don't know.
It may be an incidental, accidental stroke of genius, but
it does pretty much guarantee that whoever trades for him
won't have to give up as much as if Instead
of saying I'm playing forever, so I mean, I think
I always put myself in the spot. If I'm the
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Raiders GM, I'd be like, all right, oh, I want Aaron,
but I can get Garoppolo and not give up anything.
I'll give you two ones. That's it. No more picks,
no more. I would do two ones for Aaron, but
I wouldn't give you more than that. That's it. And
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when you consider he was an MVP back to back MVP,
you know two years ago, that's not a lot. Go
look what Russell Wilson fetched. I think the way you
have to do it is that second pick is based
on like, if we have success my first year and
he returns that, if we make the AFC Championship game,
I'll give you two ones. If he retires on me,
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that one turns into a four, you know something. But
there has to be some We're taking on some risk
here because this guy could be you know, in the
jungles in South America. You know, I don't know where
he's gonna be, right. I saw your guy Klatt Blast
in the USC recruiting class. I know you got any
any thoughts on the players? Lincoln's he he didn't love,
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not enough defense in the class and any Colin Coward
thoughts on that one. Yeah, My thoughts are, when you
have Caleb Williams to eight to eighteen year olds, do
you any good? Next year he's bringing in twenty one
year old players who were like all conference guys. So
he brings in one of the best corners in the
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conference and one of the best receivers from Arizona. He
brings in a top linebacker from Oklahoma State. They're going
for the national championship next year. They're they're not going
for They brought a running back in from South Carolina.
He's a five star guy. So I think the way
Lincoln looks at it is, listen, if we were rebuilding
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at quarterback, it's the long play. It's not. They believe
they were two plays from thirteen wins and they wouldn't
have been blown out if Caleb stayed healthy. So they
believe everybody on their schedule they're going and they will
be a better defensive team. They have better personnel, they're deeper.
But the reason they went light on high schoolers is
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because they're playing for a national title next year. That's
how they view it. A playoff spot. Well, those eighteen
year olds can be five star. They're not gonna play.
They're not gonna get on the field. They had a
kid this year, Relief Brown. He was a running back,
five star kid, clever player, had no real impact, probably
six plays all year because they had like Austin Jones
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and they had Travis Dye. We're like four years older,
so they've been in a college weight room for four years.
They're just they're just men. So I mean, I looked
at USC's recruiting class. They're high school recruiting class. This year.
They brought in about fifteen kids. They have two that
are gonna play. One of them, Za Carrion Branch, is
a wide receiver. He will play. He's Reggie Bush on
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the perimeter. He is a wildly explosive player. He will
play the lineman, won't. They brought in a linebacker from Louisiana.
He'll be a rotational player. But I'm not sure any
of them outside of Branch have a chance to start.
And they're mostly four star kids, so this is not
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Remember when Nick Saban started at Alabama, the transfer portal
didn't exist like this, so he was building for the
long haul. And even Nick brought in multiple junior college
guys those first three years because Nick didn't want to
wait four years to rebuild. He wanted to be a
title contender by year two. And I think he won
it in year three. Yeah, So I think next year
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they'll probably wean off the portal a little. Well, here's
where the portals really effective, John, there's fewer whiffs. You
have tape their division one. You bring in twelve guys.
Eleven can play that day. So even Saban in a
twenty five person class, Saban, eight guys can't play, and
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there's another eight that either academically, physically, emotionally they underachieve.
You get about eight guys a class who live up
to the four to five star that's with Saban. So
I think the future is transfers. At least half your
class have to be transfers. So do you think there's
pressure on him to obviously win the conference and just
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a minimum make it to the playoffs when he's got,
you know, maybe the best prospect they've ever had. I
don't even think it's pressure. I think I think he
looks at Caleb is easily the best player in the country.
So and they've asked Caleb to help in recruiting with
these portal transfer kids, so it's like, what do we
So they went to Arizona and they got this kid
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singer or a wide receiver. Well, he's going to be
a late first early second round pick. So if I
get a five star receiver, he's not as good as
that kid. He ate USC's DBS alive last year and
they and Lincoln told people, we gotta get that guy.
By the way, they also had a corner that was
really good. Lincoln's like, we gotta get that guy's guys.
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Jed couldn't have Oh he wasn't. But that's you know,
it's college football in two thousand and twenty three. You
gotta try whatever you gain to keep your guys, and
it's part of the deal. Yeah. I mean, if again,
I think Caleb is the first quarterback. I mean, very
few quarterbacks they put in the Andrew Luck Trevor Lawrence
class where they're gonna succeed regardless of mismanagement. I think
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Caleb maybe the third guy. I think he's that good. Yeah,
I think he's one of the biggest. He'll be one
of the most anticipated college stars in a long time. Yeah,
you know, just Luck was obviously great college player, and
he was fun to watch for the football nerds. But
this guy's running around, he's got a little bit stronger
of an arm, a little more just the casual fan.
You don't need to be Bill Polian to realize that. Jeez,
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a little Michael Vick to him. But he also can
kind of throw like luck. It's just this guy might
just be I mean, he's gonna be the number one
overall pick. Yeah he will d yes pretty good quarterback draft.
So you know, if you if you suck this year
your team does, you might as well enjoy it because
it might lead to greatness. Yeah, well, Colin, when you
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head it out to Arizona, I'm doing the Wednesday show
from Los Angeles. I get on a flight to Phoenix,
go to the Volume party. All right, you're gonna be there,
of course, I will see you there yet. Then Thursday
Friday do the shows, and then I fly back Saturday morning,
where I'm gonna hang out and watch the game from
home and take notes as I do every year. That's
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what I do, So I can't wait. I'm excited. We'll
see a Wednesday and have a good week, all right, Buddy,
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and the Volume
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