April 2, 2025 • 63 mins
John opens the podcast talking about the comments made by Jerry Jones regarding the Cowboys approach to giving Micah Parsons an extension, the QB situation in Atlanta with Kirk Cousins, and the latest with the 49ers and Brock Purdy. Later, John dives into the Eagles off-season, and the rules changes in the NFL.
Lastly, John answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment.
4:38 - Jerry is getting old
11:29 - Kirk Cousins
14:00 - Latest with Brock Purdy
16:27 - Holiday games
23:56 - Rule changes
35:41 - Mailbag
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that were from Jerry Jones to Purty to Cousins, a
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I turned forty couple months ago, you start, I don't
want to say you go through a midlife crisis, but
over the course of your late thirties, at anyone listening
to this that's older than me, you start comparing life
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moments to like when individuals die or when you start
seeing someone on their child is twenty five and in
the NFL, or in the NBA. Hell, I was watching
the Final four and watching Jace Richardson, Jason Richardson's son
star for Michigan State. I remember being at a Kings game,
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sneaking up to basically courtside a couple rows behind with
my buddy Mike Ewing that I grew up with watching
a Warriors Kings game and Jason Richardson, who at the
time felt like he was a first or second year
player I was in high school and him doing a
breakaway three sixty and I'm watching his son. It's like God,
I feel old, and part of life is aging, and
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as you get older, you know, these people that have
been in your life kind of come down the home stretch.
And if you love sports, and especially where I grew up,
forty nine, Ers and Cowboys were a really big deal.
And I Jerry Jones has been in my life like
most people that fallow football for a long time now.
And I watched a clip of the kind of quote
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that went viral that discussing Micah Parsons, and you know,
the main part of the quote was like I'd rather
pay more and get it right, which I want to
dive into that quote, but watching Jerry is like, God,
he's he's aging, and he's aging. Of course he's he's
in his eighties, and I think the Cowboys right now,
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it's just going to be a weird little stretch in
Jerry's older years. There is no disputing it's not apples
to apples, but there does feel a little bit like
Al Davis Jerry Jones, two of the biggest names in
the history of the league, guys that own the team
and ram the team. The end got a little weird,
and that's what it feels like right now with Jerry.
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Even if you listen to him talk and go, yeah,
I'm just going right to Micah Parsons. I'm the guy
cutting the check. He's the guy that has to accept
the deal. Why am I wasting time talking to anyone
else that's not that abnormal? It feels kind of weird
because Jerry saying it. TJ. Watt did this a couple
of years ago when he held in and went right
to Art Rooney's office. Last year, when the negotiations were
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going on with Brandon Ayuke, it was constantly Kyle John
and Brandon Ayuke dealing with each other on top of
the agent. Now, when you make the quote, I'd rather
pay more and get it right, I think there's a
lot of validity to that statement. In any walk of life,
you were better off paying a little bit more and
being happy with your purchase. I mean, think how many
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things in life that if you go cheap on, end
up costing you more money in the long run. It
happens constantly with you know, purchases under one hundred bucks
to purchase his like cars and homes that you're like, God, damn,
I should not have done this, and it backfires. I
would say Jerry has a point when you'd rather pay
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more and get it right. When it comes to free agents,
right when you are shopping with NFL for agents, you
would rather pay a guy twenty million dollars a year
and feel very good about him either become being a
Pro Bowl player, a high end starter and feeling good
about it, even if you are making him the highest
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paid player at his position, then pay an average guy
sixteen million dollars a year and go, we're just filling
a need here. This I'm not comfortable with it. Totally
understand that, and I completely agree. But when you are
extending your own players, especially superstar players who are going
to make an astronomical amount of money, the Miles Garretts,
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you know, the Justin Jeffersons, obviously, the quarterbacks, a guy
like Micah Parsons, the difference of ten fifteen million dollars
on the total guarantee could be the difference of an
extra starter or two. So when Jerry the last couple
of deals he's had with Ceedee Lamb with Dak Prescott
has cost him starting players, they don't have the wiggle
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room because of the way that he does deals. And
then his arch rival, the Eagles are known for doing
deals early and saving money over the course of a
couple seasons. Like, it's not like the Eagles don't have
a lot of high priced players. They've extended a lot
of them early. It's saved them money a year or
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two later, and it enables them to basically have an
offense that has like nine of their eleven starters are
MAX players. And the Cowboys like, well, we can only
have three MAX players on the whole fucking team. Like
that's not normal, Like that's just bad business. And I
would imagine, you know, Steven's in a tough spot. I've
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always I've never met him, but I've known people that
have negotiated with him, not even for player stuff, but
in other walks of life, that speak really highly of them.
And to say he's pretty level headed guy to do
business with. I think sometimes when you're eighty plus years old,
you're as richest guy. Again, I like Jerry, and this
would be true in any walk of life. You know,
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it's hard to maintain your fastball. Usually the guy that
throws one hundred miles an hour at twenty eight at
thirty years old is not doing it at forty five
years old. Dan Marino can throw a tight spiral, but
his arm strength probably isn't the same at sixty years old.
And you're watching Jerry now, one of the true mavericks
and great businessmen in the history of the NFL, has
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been a huge part of the growth and the explosion
of the marketing and the popularity of football in terms
of the mindset on the business side of the league office.
He deserves a lot of credit for that. But the
guy we're seeing now, and it pains me to say,
this feels like a shell of himself, and you know,
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it goes with the Brian Schottenheimer higher. It's just a
bizarre place right now. And ultimately he'll pay Michael Parsons
and he'll give him one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed,
where you know, if he would have done this early,
he probably could have got him for twenty percent cheaper,
but that's not the way Jerry does business. And then
he'll just complain like, we got three guys making max money,
and it's like, yeah, probably could have saved done all
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three of them, and they still could have been incredibly
wealthy and you would have had a better team. But
that's not what happens when you got a guy like
Jerry running the team as a GM in his eighties, Like,
how is he going to compete against Howie Roseman and
Adam Peters in his own division? News flash, he can't
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Kirk Cousins. This situation is just weird, man, I think,
and we've talked about this before. I get when you
make such an aggretch of aggressive purchase. If you're Arthur Blank,
another guy in his eighties, and you give a quarterback
essentially one hundred million dollars over a couple of years,
that you just like, I'm not letting this guy control
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his own destiny when I paid him all this money
and I'm not just cutting him and allowing him to
go to another team. Well, I give him twenty seven
and a half million dollars this y year and then
I guarantee ten million dollars for twenty twenty six fu bs.
That's not happening. And Arthur Blank essentially told him that
right when they met, like, we paid you all this money,
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we plan on you being here. I do think this
situation is gonna get weird now. Raheem Morris said at
the owner's meetings he does not expect her Cousins to
be at Minichamp news flag shocker. I mean, okay, I
do just wonder if and I think the hard part
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is is Cousins is in line to make twenty seven
point five million dollars this year based on the way
he played last year. I don't think he would make
twenty seven point five million dollars had he been a
free agent in March. I think he would have got
like a Russell Wilson type deal. Here's ten or twelve
million dollars and will incentivize you up to thirty. But
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how bad that was, given his age and given the
injury he just had. I think that would scared off
a lot of people. And I do think if they
are going to trade him, especially if I trade for him.
I also take in that roster bonus that's owned in
twenty twenty six if anyone were to sign him, if
he had been a free agent, no one would have
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guaranteed him anything past twenty twenty five. So I think
the Falcons are just operating out of spite and we're
just going to keep you around. Don't love that. Once
training campits now, we got a long way to go
till then. And maybe teams. We'll find out after the
draft who really needs an extra veteran quarterback. But this
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situation went from pretty normal when they signed him in March,
to then very weird with Kirk Cousins to now being
pretty petty, and it's going to be fascinating. I don't
know how this thing's going to play itself out, but
there is a lot of money on the line with
a quarterback that is not worth that type money based
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on the way he played. Talking about guy who is
worth a lot of money would be Brock Purty and
Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch and Jed York all spoke about
his situation, and the owner, who also talked about this
last year, expects a deal to get done now. I listen,
I've said over the course of the last month, I'm
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done arguing like whether they should or shouldn't pay them.
They've already told you they're going to pay them. So
I will react when we see the amount of money
they gave him relative to these other quarterback contracts. But
we already know that he's not a top five quarterback.
Even in the best moments of his career. He's not
as good as the Mahomes, the Josh Allens, the Lamar Jackson's.
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He's not on that level Joe Burrow, but he's proven
if your team is good enough around him, you can win.
And two of the best teams in the NFC are
proving that you can have a high priced quarterback and
build a loaded team with a lot of high priced
guys around him. So it is on John Lynch and
Kyle Shanahan to figure this that you know what out,
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because the Eagles have a quarterback making a ton of
money and they have a loaded offense. The Lions are
paying Jared Goff a ton of money and they have
extremely high priced offense. So it's on the forty nine
ers to figure this out because we saw down the
stretch of last season. He can't turn chicken shit into
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chicken salad. That's not Brock purty, just like it's not
Jared Goff or Jalen Hurts. If I put Jared Goff
or Jalen Hurts or Brock Party on the Chiefs last year,
they're not the number one seed. So like these guys,
and there's nothing wrong with it. Luckily for Brock in
the forty nine ers, he doesn't have to go through
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Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. They got
the NFC, but like the teams at the top of
the NFC are pretty loaded around the quarterback. Hell, look
at what the Washington Commanders just did. They added a
starting left tackle. I would imagine they add more offensive
weapons come the draft. So you got the eleventh pick.
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When you have the eleventh pick, that means you have
high picks in every round. You better get it right
because if the forty nine ers just have an average draft,
they're screwed. They need a draft that's like a moment
that changes the franchise. If not, given how much they
I'm sure plan on paying this guy, it could set
the franchise, you know, into just mediocrity for a while. Obviously,
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the NFL doesn't control what they Holidays fall on. Last
year they got ultra aggressive with a Wednesday Christmas and
they said, screw it, We're gonna give Netflix a package
out of thin air. And they did, and they gave
the teams the ability to play on Saturday, so a
Thursday schedule Wednesday, and then clearly they got a long break.
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But it was pretty unfair to force teams to play
that or to week that late in the season, like,
it's not an ideal thing for these teams. This year,
they get a little reprieve because they announced they're gonna
do a triple header on Christmas because Christmas is on Thursday,
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so you will have two Netflix games and then an
Amazon night game. Sign me up, I'm in. But I
also think it works out because you could have probably
three games on Saturday. So basically all these teams play
on Sunday the previous week, and then they just get
one less day. They play on Saturday, and then you
just rotate them all and they play on Thursday. So
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instead of a short week, instead of four days, you
get five days. Still not ideal, but much better than
last year. And that's what I would imagine happens, is
we get three games the Saturday before Christmas, and then
Christmas on Thursday, you get those same three teams or
same three games, and just rotate the teams, just like
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Dallas goddter he's getting traded. It's pretty clear. Nick Sirianni
says he's on the team as of now, and essentially like,
we can't. This is the NFL. It sucks. I watched
this thing on YouTube. It was Tannembaum interview, John Schneider
and Jason Light. It was like a very real setting out.
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I don't know, maybe they did this at the combine,
maybe they did at the owners meetings. I'm not exactly
sure where it took place, but it was like the
three of them in a room, and it was just
refreshing to watch two guys that are gms now say,
most of the time when we let good players go,
we get crushed locally, you know, by our fans and
everyone's pissed off. We never want to let these guys go.
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If you know the guys good. We definitely know the
guy's good, we want to keep them, but that's not
the way the league works. And John Snyder was like Mike,
I watched all these shows you're on on ESPN and
every former player is like, just pay them. He's like, well, yeah,
no shit. If we could just pay everybody and there
was no salary cap, most of the big time teams,
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their salary you know they're setling for salaries would be
much higher. They would be spending way more money keeping players,
but you're not allowed to do that. Like, do I
think the Eagles want to get rid of Dallas Goddard? No?
Do I think that they have to make some sort
of financial move, Yes, And I also think he's got
value because we know a team like the Chargers they
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need an offensive weapon. I think teams like I think
you're gonna see teams what about the Chiefs, they got
an aging tight end. Now again, financially does it work?
This stuff is not easy? And then they're gonna be
teams that missed the playoffs last year who are bullish
on their chances moving forward, And we'll sniff around. Now,
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are they getting much of value for god Her? I
think they would be lucky to get a third round
pick given that. I'm sure he's gonna want a contract
extension in the next year or two and he's already
an expensive player. But I do think he's gonna have
a market based on the teams that hopefully draft the
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tight end in this draft aren't able to because when
they picked the guys off the board, So Dallas Goddard
will be on another team pretty soon. Some rule changes
in the NFL over time, which you know Andy Reid's
been beating this drum forever, will change for moving forward
that in the regular season, like the playoffs, both teams
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will get the opportunity to possess the ball. Cool, I'm in.
I think we all agree that's fair. You either got
to do sudden death or you got to go all in.
They can both get to touch it. You can't do
well if we kick a field goal, then you get
a chance. But if we score a touchdown like that
that they were trying to have their cake and eat
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it too. That was kind of bullshit. Like to me,
if you're gonna have you either do sudden death, it's
kind of like the luck of the coin flip, and
then if you score a field goal, touchdown, whatever safety,
game's over or both teams get to touch the ball.
And that's the way moving forward, which I'm cool with.
If you go on the internet, a piece of wisdom
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the older folks often give is learn to code kids,
because technology has taken out all of our jobs. AI
is coming well. The NFL will no longer be dependent
on the chain gang. They will use a camera technology
to now determine first downs. But the chain gang crew
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who stands there with the first down marker and that
the other you know, part of the chain will still
be on the sideline. So no one, this isn't Woody Johnson.
We're not giving golden parachutes here. We're not firing the
chain gang all over the NFL. But they will no
longer be in charge of determining first downs, second downs,
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down in distance throughout the game. So we have camera
technology now coming into play. This is what Belichick's and
banging the drum forever, you know, camera technology, goal line technology.
The NFL is like, okay, we're making some profits. We'll
start paying a little money here, and the touchback as
well will go from the thirty to the thirty five
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yard line. It feels like they're very bullish and feeling
themselves on this new off rule, which again I'm not
opposed to it. Don't love it, but definitely don't hate it.
Kind of just like, yeah, it's cool, like it's in theory.
It should have given a lot more action. They love
saying like way less injuries, Like I don't know if
the consumer cares that much. I just want action, and
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we definitely got a little bit more of it. But
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Tush push. Every single person has a strong opinion it
should be banned, we should keep it. It's a football play.
I saw Matt Lafleur hates the play, wants it gone.
And then there are people like Jim Harbaugh and Mike
Vrabel that are like, I'm for it. If you can
run it and execute it. It's on the other team
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to stop it. Howie Roseman got up in the meeting
today and said, can you show me the data where
there are more injuries because of this play? And there
was no data because there haven't been any more injuries.
Now there's a tough spot for the NFL because I
think ideally they would not want to play that is
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just automatic. And for the most part, I know they've
been stopped by Vitavea once or twice, but when they
line up in the toush push, unlike every play in
the NFL, it feels like a guarantee that it's either
gonna be a first down or a touchdown. And I think,
in its heart of hearts, from an entertainment perspective, the
NFL like if they could just choose and no one
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would be pissed off. They would just make the play disappear.
But like Howie and the Eagles have a fair point. Look,
anyone else can do this. You just don't happen to
have a quarterback that squats six hundred pounds and because
of his body type, is lower to the ground and
can get low and disappears in the play and forever.
It was like, Wow, you just got the best center.
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Then he fucking retired and the play didn't skip a beat.
I watched Josh Allen in the playoffs against the Chiefs
running short yardage quarterback sneaks. He's one of the biggest, strongest,
most athletic quarterbacks we've ever seen. He got stuff like
four to five times. So, like I lean, like I understand,
But this is clearly of all the controversies in the
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NFL right now, and there's a lot of them constantly,
this feels like one that a lot of people are
very emotional about. And I don't think this would be
a big deal if this was the Jags or the
Miami Dolphins or the Arizona Cardinals. But it's a team
that's been in the Super Bowl two of the last
three years and just kick the Chiefs ass on Super Sunday.
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So the Eagles are finding out when you're the big dog,
everyone comes at you. We saw it forever with the Patriots.
People are just gunning for you, and they're gonna be
teams like the Packers. Well, what do they have in
common with the Eagles? They played them and what happened?
They lost in the playoffs, they can't stop the play
So I think there's a tough one for Roger because
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he's just letting the teams decide and they get to
vote on it. But it's like a lot of people
are up in arms. And my ultimate take is anyone
can do it and do I like watching it just
as an independent fan of football, Like if it disappeared tomorrow,
I wouldn't think about it again the rest of my life.
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But from just what's fair is fair? Anyone could do it.
No one steals plays and steals information like football people,
especially coaches that's constantly stealing other people's stuff off. Philm
and the Eagles have been putting this on film now
for three plus years. So if you want to do it,
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you could just do every cutup of every time they
run it and install it with your own team. And
I would imagine some teas have tried and they don't
feel comfortable doing it. Their guy's not good enough doing it.
Hel Patrick Mahomes one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time,
after he hurt his knee on a quarterback sneak like
they don't love quarterbacks sneak in him. So now on
short yarded situations like they do rollouts and stuff because
they don't want to put him in a compromise situation.
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But I just think this situation is not going away.
And this is when you have this multi billion dollar
league with a lot of big egos and a lot
of big personalities. These are the type problems when you
rog in the league office that you got to deal
with and clearly they just tabled it. It's not gonna
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We will start with Matt All. This talk about the
tush push brings me back to Brady in the Quarterback Sneak.
We hear how the Eagles and Hurts are uniquely built
for this play, But how was a quarterback so automatic
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like Brady, he isn't uniquely strong, fast or tall. Brady's
six huge, But I hear what you're saying. Maybe the
better question is why do other quarterbacks? Why are they
so bad at it? I saw Vrabel came into my
YouTube algorithm. He was on like a you know, one
(28:27):
of the local shows on Boston radio, The Big the
Sports Hub or whatever, ninety eight five, and I watched
his interview and he mentioned that one thing that Tom
was so good at is like he could hit like
three or four gaps. You know, he would see wherever
you weren't and he would attack that gap. Like the
touch push is the same every time. Right, they are
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just shoving you forward and he's going I think it's
fair to say. I mean, I've never broken it down
on the All twenty two, but just in a vertical
straight line forward. Maybe he moves a little bit left
or right, but it's just it's a push forward Tom,
like Josh Allen tried to do in the AFC Championship game,
is like picking lanes, and historically that's kind of what
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you did. Like if a dude was shaded over the
center and shaded over the right guard, and you had
a little angle to the left guard, you would fire
to the left side or vice versa. I don't know.
I mean Tom was just a lead at it. Some
people just have certain skills and are comfortable doing it.
Maybe it's there's a push off element. Tom is also
Tom is tall, I mean Tom is six'. Five SO
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i think some People, MAHOMES i, mean they just don't
even run. It SO i don't have a great answer for. You,
beside LIKE i do think the reason people don't just
one copy the push, Push like IF i Have Jared
goff Or Patrick mahomes or some of these quarterbacks who
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Like Jared goff is not you're not gonna want to
put him like that low. One he. Can't he's tall as,
well but like he might be liable to get. Hurt you.
Know part of what Makes jalen unique is kind of
his body. Type he's like the Bigger he's a little
bigger version of Like Russell. Wilson Russell wilson in his
heyday would have been good at the toush. PUSH i would.
Guess so's it's harder For Peyton manning Or Philip rivers
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to get that. Low it's crazy how big of a
topic The toush pushes has. Become And i'll keep saying.
This the torpedo. Bats someone hit me Like judge isn't using?
Them like, Listen I'M i enjoy The. Yankees i'm not
anti The. Yankees i'm. Entertained, honestly like two baseball teams
like kind of loosely followed The yankees And dodgers just
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because you just want to see the best. Teams. Uh
BUT i guess he's not using the torpedo. Bat but
the dude on the On cincinnati used the torpedo bat
On monday night had like seven RBIs and went four for.
Five i'm pro the torpedo. Bat i'm not anti the torpedo. Bat.
YEAH i don't even know what WHY i brought the torpedo.
Back but question for the. Bag THE nc DOUBLE a
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is so opposed to having student athletes be, employees even
though every university employee employees students for several non athletic campus.
Functions why doesn't THE NC doublea allow college athletes to
be employees of the university with contracts that stipulate classroom
attendance and other specific. Terms is it simply because THE
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NC doublea doesn't want universities to provide health insurance and other.
Benefits seems like most of the nil sketchiness we're seeing
is because there are no. Rules but in my, opinion
having contracts would solve the vast majority of the. ISSUES
i don't pretend to be LIKE ncublea revenue share like
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a master on this, topic but health. Insurance IF i
shatter my leg playing For wisconsin or playing FOR ucla or,
whatever ruined my, shoulder ruin my, ELBOW i get surgery
on their. Dime so the program ensures. Me let's assume
like MY, I i don't even have. Parents my grandparents raise,
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me and they don't have health insurance. Either the school
covers me as a collegiate. ATHLETE i think their, issue
the schools, issue like the title nine, thing is kind
of the elephant in the. Room you, know you couldn't
just employ the football players and not employ the soccer
players and the softball. PLAYERS i, mean it's just it
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becomes this weird situation of, legalities which, again LIKE i
don't feel that comfortable talking, about BUT i know they.
EXIST i saw them At President, state the softball coach
WHEN i was there in two thousand and eight and
two thousand and nine had sued the school and was one,
of if not the highest paid softball coaches in the
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country at the. Time she's making like four hundred, grand
like eight because she had sued the school For title nine.
Violations the basketball Coach Stacy Johnson, clin who was a
good looking woman she actually had been, fired had sued
the school because she claimed like the ad had like
touched her in a car wash and had got like
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ten plus million. Dollars so The title nine situation can
be very financially limiting if you screw something up like
you can be forced to pay a lot of money
in situations that you don't don't like the softball coach
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making four hundred grand At President state in two thousand and,
NINE i mean it's, insane but Like title, nine she got.
It The Stacy Johnson, clin the basketball. Coach you, know
there were a lot of different opinions on what actually,
Happened but what did happen is she won a lawsuit
for a lot of. Money Is Matt ryan A hall Of?
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QUARTERBACK i think anyone who says no is. Crazy Pro
Football focus. Agrees if you look at Their hall Of fame,
rating but here's, why and then he just rattles OFF mvp,
award has ONE Mvp award equal To, Lway brito And Terry.
Bradshaw First Team All pro selection achieved in, sixteen surpassed
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legends Like, Elway, aikman And Warn moon career passer rating
higher than far Of, Montana, Roethlisberger, warner And aikman touchdown
to interception rationing and just rattles. Off WHEN i close
my eyes AND i Think Matt, ryan DO i Think
hall Of? Fame and, again my standards are really, high
like WHEN i Think hall Of, Fame Brady, Manning, Rogers Ray,
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lewis Ed, Reid Adrian, peterson like the greatest players of all,
Time Trent, williams La Danian, townlinson like Just Dion, Sanders Reggie,
White Lawrence, Taylor Joe, Montana Jerry, rice like those are
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the type GUYS i think. About and MAYBE i have
too high of a of kind of like my threshold
is way higher than. Some Matt ryan is a phenomenal,
player and like he falls under the you, Know Cam
newton's one year was more of an outlier relative to
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most of his. Career BUT i do Think Matt ryan
And Cam newton both like they had this REMARKABLE mvp
season and they led a team to a Super bowl
and then they. LOST i do think if they had
won the Super, bowl like won THE mvp and then
won the Super, bowl it's like you do stuff like,
that it's, like, Yeah hall Of. FAMER i think when
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you lose that, game fair or, not it can kind
of rattle your. Candidacy it's hard to Do Pro bowls
and he, played you, know in an arrow with in
THE Nfc rogers really his entire, time And breeze and
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Then Russell. Wilson SO I i just have high. Standards
i'm not Anti Mount, ryan AND i Respect Mount ryan's,
game but my first reaction is. No BUT i think
the same for a lot of players in his. Era Philip,
rivers you, Know eli's tough because he did have those two.
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Seasons AND i just used the, example BUT eli wasn't
winning THE. Mvp to, me IF eli had AN mvp
be a no. Brainer BUT i understand the arguments on both.
Sides longtime coffee, amember everyone says That Josh allen is
an all time, talent no. Argument people also claim that
Day ball is the one who Fixed. Josh what are
the chances the majority of people are incorrect in their
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assessment Of Brian. Dabole i'm not saying he's necessarily a bad,
coach but it seems to me that he got more
good coach credits transferred from working with an all time
talent In Josh allen than the bad coach credits for
sucking consistently with The. Giants josh likely would have figured it,
out it just happened to be With, daball and the
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year Day ball went to the, playoffs dj had fifteen,
touchdowns five, interceptions and seven rushing, touchdowns not exactly killing.
IT i do understand that he Maximized Daniel, jones BUT
i can't help but Think allen Saved, daball and not
sure the other way. AROUND i think the reason he
gets a lot of credit With Josh allen is because
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when The bills Drafted Josh, allen it was an extremely controversial.
Pick he was not very good in. College, now, granted
he played At wyoming and his last year there they
had lost a bunch of skill, guys so his team
wasn't as. Good but coming out of college he was
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his two seasons starting At wyoming fifty six percent fifty six.
Percent he had a pretty solid twenty sixteen season with
twenty eight, touchdowns but he threw fifteen, interceptions and then
his senior year he threw sixteen. Touchdowns SO i just
think it's not it looked like he got a. Project
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and this is the best part or the most fascinating
part about arguing this. Stuff we'll never, know like Is
Patrick Mahomes Patrick mahomes if some random, coach If Todd
bowles gets, HIM i Don't Robert sali gets. HIM i don't.
KNOW i think it's fair to say he would not
have won't rattled off all The Super. Bowls but does
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he win A Super? Bowl Would Josh allen been great
no matter where he? GOES i don't know the answer to.
That could you make the argument That Josh allen Made
brian Da ball BECAUSE i Saw brian Day ball coach
a lot of offenses before he got To buffalo and
it was not. Pretty, now maybe he learned in his
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one stint From, Saban BUT i don't have a great
answer for. You, besides, LIKE i don't, know one thing's.
Clear Josh allen is now a dominant, player and anyone
who coaches him is going to get a lot of.
Credit But brian day ball IS i think he was
asked today On tuesday that if he'll call plays and
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he still didn't have an. Answer he's just the. Giant
situation has just been. Weird it really has Huge charger
FAN a lot of people talk about The chargers need. Weapons,
WELL i. AGREE i look at the new regime as
building through their, identity build inside. OUT i see you
Say jim was never going to pay thirty million dollars
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for a. Receiver my question is what is your viewpoint
on the value of weapon Pieces after the interior is,
built can a lesser of talented player be evaluated to
a superstar level with strong foundation built? First the most
popular example is The. Lions, WELL i do believe, that
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like when you build a great offensive, line if you
hit on a solid running, back he's gonna look way.
BETTER i would have. BET i would Imagine Najie harris
has a good. SEASON i would guess they draft a
running back with their first three or four. Picks i'd
be a little shocked if that guy's not. Good so
it's much easier to be a running back behind a
good offensive line than a bad. One look At saquan
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BUT i would say, that you, know part of having
great wide receivers is like if you don't throw it
all the, time who really? Cares Like Jim harbone wants
to run the. Ball he wants to run the, ball
slow down the, game and play defense what he's been
doing for fifteen plus years At stanford forty Nine ers In.
Michigan so like having Dk metcalf and allocating that much
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money to one player feels like a misuse of funds
and misuse of. Resources it's why he doesn't usually do.
It like to, me The chargers need tight end running.
Back question for the, mailback what are your thoughts On
shrager leaving THE nfl? Network are you? FRIENDS i wouldn't
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call him a, friend BUT i know. HIM i think
THE nfl network is just not going to. EXIST i
don't know when or how or when you turn on
television it won't be, there or it'll be morphed INTO.
Espn but THE nfl network that we knew a decade
ago or five years ago is not going to exist
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over the next three or four. Years they have been
trying to sell it. Forever SO i Think schrager is
very very tight in with THE, nfl you, know in
terms of coaches and just he's, good he's. ENTERTAINING i enjoy.
Him got off a sinking, chip like THE nfl network.
Is it's just not gonna be around over the next several.
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YEARS i don't know, when but as it's as we know,
it it's it's really just not gonna be near the.
Same and you, know he's A New york. Guy they
Move Good Morning football TO la you, KNOW i Think jason,
mccordy who was part of that, show Or devin one
of the. TWO i think it Was. Jason mike refused to.
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Go he's, like, NO i Think Kyle brandt's really, talented
kind of in a tough. SPOT i don't. KNOW i,
mean it's just you're part of these shows and you're
you're one of the. Talents, well this is the thing
of like you, know quote unquote legacy old school. Media
you're you're if they want to move studios to a different,
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state what are you gonna. Do it's in the podcast.
Business you can't just do it from your, house even
though he kind of did at, Times BUT i mean
it was clear that that show is coming down the home.
STRETCH i don't watch, it but it gets good. Reviews
people enjoy, it so it's just an easy show to
consume WHEN i have seen. It how much stock do
you put in cold WEATHER nfl, Teams, Bill's, Pats, packers.
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Etc put into players that came from cold weather. Schools
it's a good. QUESTION i think it matters at. Quarterback you,
know if you take a guy To New, england or
you take a guy To philly and they don't have
a strong arm and don't function well in inclement weather
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Or New york Or, pittsburgh it's gonna be. Difficult it
is dramatically easier to play your home games In Los
angeles Or San francisco or a dome than it is
in freezing cold. Conditions can you imagine Playing Kansas city
home games In. December it's gonna be hard to have
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a week arm. Now Alex smith like they could kind
of manage, it but it was difficult and they had.
LIMITATIONS i think when it comes to other, positions like
tough guys, Translate like if you're a, tough physical linebacker
and you played AT usc Or, texas you're gonna be, okay,
right same with guards and d tackles and. Corners that's
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where the scouting aspect of your, football character of your
personality come into. Play like it's not it's not anyone's.
Fault you play At. ALABAMA a lot of guys From
alabama have gone on to cold weather cities have been
just fine Or georgia Or. FLORIDA i think it's much
more difficult for, quarterbacks especially arm. STRENGTH i, mean if
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you play like it's hard to play In chicago if
you have a weak. Arm part of the reason they
Love caleb he has a. Hose it gets fucking windy
and cold. There you're not gonna be throwing eighty miles
an hour In. Excel you've got to have a. FASTBALL i,
mean who's look at The. Packers there's a reason the
last three quarterbacks big. Arms you need, It Josh Allen
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baltimore Or, buffaloe cold inclement. Weather lamar has a pretty good.
Arm SO i think it's more personality for most, positions you, know,
receivers if you get a little bit of a. Diva but,
again Like Deshaun jackson was From la played a cow
and went To philly and was just. FINE i think
for most, positions it's a pretty easy. Transition plus your.
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Body you, Know i've been living In arizona for a.
While The barrier is just much. Colder people Say california great.
Weather The barry does not have great. Weather they talk
about Northern california like it's Southern. California it is. Not
San francisco's freezing. COLD i Think Mark twain said the
coldest day of the year is a summer In San.
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Francisco summer night In San. Francisco it's a cold. Place
so like you kind of adapt your surroundings Because i've been,
Here like it's sixty degrees or, UNDER i get really.
Cold not THAT i ever truly embraced, it but when
you live In philly you kind of get a little
more used to the. Cold but if you have small,
hands a weak, ARM i don't care how mentally and
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physically tough you, are they're just. Limitations Lifelong bears, FAN
i know you've gotten a lot of mailback questions About,
kalb but here's one. MORE i completely agree with your
outlook on. Him next year will be a big tale
about his. Future last year is tough to. Judge him
and how he'll be as AN nfl quarterback because of
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the lack of the team's competitiveness and maybe the worst
coaching staff of all. Time i've seen a few, worse
but it's. Bad i've heard you say he was getting
all his stats in the second half of games that
were already. Over it's definitely. True but on multiple, occasions
during one score games against The, commanders The packers and
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The vikings forced, overtime and The thanksgiving game against The,
lions he was able to drive the ball down the
field in the fourth quarter and fell short due to
his team or coaching staff letting him. Down can we
start being fair when talking about the guy who has
shown flashes of a late game clutch. GENE i don't
think anyone's shitting on. Him i'm just the guy presented
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his stats of his touchdowns in his yards AND i
just said a lot of those who were accumulated down
a lot of. SCORES i mean That lions game when
Eber flues fucked him by not calling the time. OUT
i forget the exact, score BUT i, mean was it
like twenty four to nothing and a half twenty eight?
NOTHING i mean it was a. Blowout SO i think
when you're in those, moments you get to accumulate a
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lot of. Stats because the team, loses the other team loses.
Focus especially by, then everyone viewed The bears as. Terrible
Now i'm with. You once the game becomes, tight you
either got to make the plays or you. Don't he
made a lot of. Plays i'm not acting Like caleb's some.
Scrub no one's saying. That it just we'll see what
it looks. LIKE i don't know the. ANSWER i would.
Not all these guys are gonna hit and who knows
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from year to, Year like we SAW. Cj, stroud it
looked like he was top five. Quarterback then he had
a bad second, year so things changed really. Quickly all
of a, Sudden caleb can become a. STAR i don't. Know,
everyone as the kids, say love Glazing Ben, Johnson well
see how he is a head. COACH i don't. Know
everyone Thought Dan campbell is gonna Be jim Tom, sula
and it's Like Dan campbe's one of the best coaches
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in the league right. Now ben listening to pods is
my h since my brother who's a fanatic, fan send
it to me mid. SEASON i love your. Takes i'm
in the process of building a team for a company
to launch a new. Product some DAYS i feel like
A gm trying to bring in all types, internal, external
outside the box. Thinkers my non negotiable QUALITIES i look
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for in each person are, vision, consistency and. Humility they
can all show in different ways and they don't have
to be strong at, all but need to show. Potential
if you are picking a team for, business what are
some non negotiable qualities you would look for in each
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individual team. Member obviously there are certain, industries like you
can't make THE nfl without meeting certain, requirements like there
is no mere use in THE. Nfl you can't just
show up Like i'm gonna make THE, nfl, Right so
you need to have, size physical. Characteristics you have to
have played football in. College Jordan mylotta withstanding like and
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even he was like probably one of the great rugby
players In. Australia you can't just normal people can't play
same thing with, basketball same thing with. Baseball you have
to possess certain. Skills so not knowing your, industry there
are certain like you can't just be an architect without
a background in, it, right you could do What i'm,
doing just with a big. PERSONALITY i guess even if
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you didn't have a background working in sports or, journalism
you could just be a commentator or a. Broadcaster you
could just. Learn you could learn that vocation. There you
can't just show up and just like learn how to
become a doctor without the schooling, Right, so not knowing your,
industry clearly there might be a box you have to
check to understand IF i need an engineer or a.
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Coder no matter how BAD i want, IT i would
never be able to figure out how to. Code it's
just not in my. Wheelhouse so if you're looking for younger,
PEOPLE i would, say in my experience in football and
now you, know we Bring jackson on in the fall
AND i want to develop a bigger role for him.
HERE i like young hungry people and you can just
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sense their. ENERGY i once upon a, time twenty plus years,
ago was as hungry and ambitious as like any young
kid that just wants an. INN i VALUE i would say,
hunger willingness to do, whatever and passion very very. Highly
you know when you say humility with a young, PERSON
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i don't want them coming. IN i don't need all their.
IDEAS i do think when you're hiring experience people LIKE
i don't really mind an, Ego like if you're bringing
some to the table and whatever we're gonna, do you're
gonna help us print, money you're gonna help us, Succeed,
like you, know you gotta deal with some. Egos so,
humility there's a difference of like treating people well and
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like assholes and people being you, know treating whoever that
are lower than them on the totem. Pole and especially
if you're in an office, setting you get a pretty
good feel for. That that would be SOMETHING i wouldn't
want to deal with if it's just a bad guy or.
Girl but, uh humility to me is not as big a.
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Deal BUT i would just say, hunger, passion willingness to do.
Whatever and let's face, it some people are just kind
of they just. Produce it's my favorite part about like
the business. World some people just produce more than others
and we all can figure it out pretty quickly who
those individuals. Are in whatever field we're. In some people
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are cash. Cows some people are bring a lot of
added value to whatever you're. Doing and it's. HARD i,
mean it's no different than. Scouting it's no different than hiring.
People you're just taking an educated guess and you can
call a million people to get. Recommendations you never really
know until you start working with. THEM i was driving
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around yesterday listening To Brian callahan talk and he's, like,
Listen i've been around my dad obviously eighteen years growing.
Up he's one of the closest people to my. Life
But i've never worked with with my father until this, year, Right, so,
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Oh Bill, Callahan he's, like this was the first year
we'd ever worked. Together so there is, like, yeah we
know each other really, well he's my, father but like
as the play caller on game, day we had to
figure out how to work with each. OTHER i also
think there, is you, know so much value in you,
know being around the other. Person for those of you
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that have work in office, settings that there's just a
value there that cannot be. Disputed it's much easier to
be productive with ideas to figure, out you, know if
you have people working under, you how good or bad they.
Are SOMETHING i miss. Dearly to be honest with, you
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love the podcast question what do you think the bear
should do with the tenth? PICK i personally think The
bear should be aggressive and move up to Get Abdull. Carter,
OTHERWISE i think they should Draft Tyler warren Or. GENTY
i think draft in a running back tenth overall is.
NUTS i think that's pretty. CRAZY i really. Do people
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Think i'm a hater on the. Guy he's an excellent.
PLAYER i just in a draft where you can get
a running back in the second or third, ROUND i
would take a defensive. Lineman look who you're playing great,
offenses right you have to assume The bear is going
to be much better on. Offense you got to assume
The lions are going to be, explosive and they got
sweet players, everywhere And minnesota has incredible players and a rookie.
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QUARTERBACK i would want to hit the quarterback as many
times as they. Could and if they're a defensive, linemen
like you, Said Abdul carter be. Awesome you're not gonna
get him unless he has major medical issues in he.
Falls but he's going two or, three AND i would
not trade up to two or. THREE i would just take,
Whoever Jalen, walker whoever the best defensive lineman is on the.
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Board that's probably WHAT i would do IF i was The.
Bears you, KNOW i think the thing With Tyler warren
is he obviously is his size is pretty. SPECIAL i
mean he's. Huge let me get his exact. Measurements Tyler,
Warren so he was six five and a half two
hundred and sixty. POUNDS i mean he's. Massive he's not
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the twitchiest. Guy and from a change of direction, FLUIDITY
i mean he's Not Kelsey Mark Andrews. Kittle he's really
just a kind of a jump. Ball he's got great ball.
Skills he's a good. Player you, Know i've talked to
some people in THE. NFL i think the way he's
talked about is a little. STRONG i would say in
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a good, draft guy like him goes in like the,
twenties ten would be there'd be a lot of pressure
on him to become a good. Player you take a
tight end to, ten he better be a pro bowler
because you're paying him a lot of. Money, immediately question
for the. Mailbag heard your topic About hertz First, herbert
AND i think it's a very unique situation when you
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compare them fairly easily because they've shared two. Coordinators herbert
With Shane stiken went forty three hundred yards thirty one
touchdowns and ten, interceptions And jalen went thirty seven hundred,
yards twenty two, touchdowns six. Picks and With Kellen, Moore
herbert went twenty and Seven jalen went eighteen and. Five
they both miss some. Time why do you think people
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Discount herbert's situation and weapons he's had in his, Career
with the exception Of lad, McConkie the only weapon not
A river's leftover Is Quinton Johnson herbert WITH Aj brown
And davante Would. COOK i agree the only people that
hate On herbert are people on the. Internet you won't
find people on the, internet or excuse, me THE nfl executives'
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coaches did talk poorly about the. Guy he's a really,
good talented. Player is he? Perfect? No is he better
than the top? Guys? No would like eighty five ninety
percent of the league take him immediately one hundred. Percent,
also comparing like he doesn't, play he has to Beat Joe,
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Burrow Lamar, JACKSON C. J, Stroud Patrick mahomes like those
are he. Doesn't jalen's in a different. Conference comparing him
To jalen. Stupid jalen's comps are THE nfc Guys Jayden, Purdy,
Dak Jared, Goff Jordan love like. That that's that's who
he has to worry. About THE nfc is a Different
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it's like a different. Neighborhood THE afc is like the
richest neighborhood in the entire. State it doesn't get any.
Better we got all these guys that are going right
to The hall Of, fame especially the top. Three THE
nfc is, like, YEAH i, mean a couple of years,
ago people Thought Jared goff. Sucked Jalen hurts has been
more than up for debate over the last couple of.
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Years party is the number one debated quarterback going right.
Now most people think That Dak prescott's the most overpaid
quarterback in the history of THE. Nfl he's got in
Two max. Contracts H Jordan LOVE i like, Him, yeah
BUT i mean MAYBE i won't by the end of
the next. Season NFC's got a lot of question. Marks
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cars And Bryce YOUNG'S i, Mean, BAKER i forget about.
Him it's not exactly you, know far Of young And.
Aikman let's pretend you AND i are On Shark. Tank
you are one of the. Sharks i'm an, entrepreneur pitching
you a company to invest. In my best friends from
college AND i are building a sports betting app for
(58:23):
the App store that offers a safer and more social
alternative to traditional house. Betting we are calling it league.
Bet it's a tournament, style skill based sports betting app
where players participate by joining a public or private, league
enrolling in low cost buy in which converts to high
ratio virtual, bankroll and you compete head to head against
(58:46):
their peers with the goal of being the top performing
sports Better the player with the most correct sports bets
with the league requirements wins the price. Pool our target
audience at college students twenty one, plus workplace environment, athletes
and traditional sports wagers at. Casinos as a frequent sports better.
Yourself what do you think about the concept and what
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and would you use it? WELL i would be considered
like most people to gamble a. TRADITIONALIST i like betting
one hundred dollars On Joel damon nine to one to
top ten in The. VALERO i like betting on a
three team parlay in The sweet sixteen for teams to
make The final. FOUR i like getting nine to one
(59:31):
odds On arkansas to make The final. Four and putting
a hundred bucks on, Them LIKE i just like me
against the. Game So i've Never i'm not a big
fantasy football, guy So i've never been a part like
where everyone buys in for fifty, bucks a hundred. BUCKS
i Mean i've had friends to buy in for four,
figures like have these huge leagues where the winner gets
(59:54):
ten thousand or you, know you read these stories about
like the celebrities enormous cash. Prizes so clearly there's some
intrigue in. That but like when my friends or people
in my life text about, gambling we text about who
we should bet, On like do you like The chiefs
as an underdog against The bills in the second? Round
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do you like you know usc is getting ten points
At Notre Dame LIKE i don't. Know So i've never
bet beside WHEN i played golf against other, INDIVIDUALS i
bet against a team or in golf on a, player
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And i've been doing, that you know for fifteen plus
years since. College, really BUT i just my gambling habits
as a sports better would never lean to that. NOW
i can't speak if you're twenty years old and, listen
there's something like in college betting some on fifty bucks
(01:01:02):
when your team's plan their team. TOTALLY i Mean i'm
not acting Like i've never done something like, that but
as a consistent, GAMBLER i like gambling on the game
more THAN i do against other. Individuals so, like there's
a reason that you, know The draftking sponsorship that we
have works so well for me. Personally ONE i invested
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in the company in my brokerage. Account, Two I'VE i
gamble heavily on sports just BECAUSE i like. TO i
Mean i've gambled pretty probably put seven eight bets on
The March. Madness AND i don't even watch college, basketball
But i'm a Fucking american AND i like to, gamble
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and it's LIKE i gotta have a little action on
this and it's. Fun but it also for me and
we're all. Different like WHEN i put one hundred bucks
On arkansas to make The Final, FOUR i was on
the edge of my seat Watching arkansas Play Texas. Tech
and while they lost AND i didn't even get the
(01:02:04):
opportunity to see that bet through one more, game that
hundred dollars was worth the. Price it was LIKE i
was at the. Game it was incredible for. ME i
get highs from. Entertainment you, Know i've been watching sports
for so, long beside, football which is extremely intriguing to
me Because i'm going to do podcast topics off. It
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SO i do this for a. Living but it's Just
i'm always, thinking, like how CAN i make something interesting
off What Mike vrabel just said or what the forty
nine ers just did a lot of especially when it
comes to basketball or baseball or even the hockey. Playoffs like,
listen IT'S i do want to pay attention to THE nba. Playoffs,
(01:02:46):
well it's much easier IF i placed a couple bets
on teams to, win like The western And Eastern. Conference
SO i like gambling from an entertainment standpoint BECAUSE i don't.
CARE i do not care who. WINS i have no
oh horse in the. Race when it came To March,
MADNESS i didn't give a shit who won beside the
teams THAT i bet. On so that's HOW i gamble
(01:03:09):
when it comes to. Sports IS i gambled less to
like OH i beat my, buddy and more LIKE i
just won. Money it's honestly one of the last things
in this in my life that kind of gets my juices,
Flowing LIKE i would not having just. ONE i THINK
i put one hundred and fifty bucks On arkansas would
have paid like fifteen hundred. Dollars it was. RIVETING i
(01:03:34):
can't still can't believe they blew, it but it's like
that's HOW i get my, entertainment and as you get,
older LIKE i, don't not many things entertainment. Anymore that'll
do a good question the volume
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I turned forty couple months ago, you start, I don't
want to say you go through a midlife crisis, but
over the course of your late thirties, at anyone listening
to this that's older than me, you start comparing life
(02:54):
moments to like when individuals die or when you start
seeing someone on their child is twenty five and in
the NFL, or in the NBA. Hell, I was watching
the Final four and watching Jace Richardson, Jason Richardson's son
star for Michigan State. I remember being at a Kings game,
(03:17):
sneaking up to basically courtside a couple rows behind with
my buddy Mike Ewing that I grew up with watching
a Warriors Kings game and Jason Richardson, who at the
time felt like he was a first or second year
player I was in high school and him doing a
breakaway three sixty and I'm watching his son. It's like God,
I feel old, and part of life is aging, and
(03:40):
as you get older, you know, these people that have
been in your life kind of come down the home stretch.
And if you love sports, and especially where I grew up,
forty nine, Ers and Cowboys were a really big deal.
And I Jerry Jones has been in my life like
most people that fallow football for a long time now.
And I watched a clip of the kind of quote
(04:02):
that went viral that discussing Micah Parsons, and you know,
the main part of the quote was like I'd rather
pay more and get it right, which I want to
dive into that quote, but watching Jerry is like, God,
he's he's aging, and he's aging. Of course he's he's
in his eighties, and I think the Cowboys right now,
(04:25):
it's just going to be a weird little stretch in
Jerry's older years. There is no disputing it's not apples
to apples, but there does feel a little bit like
Al Davis Jerry Jones, two of the biggest names in
the history of the league, guys that own the team
and ram the team. The end got a little weird,
and that's what it feels like right now with Jerry.
(04:47):
Even if you listen to him talk and go, yeah,
I'm just going right to Micah Parsons. I'm the guy
cutting the check. He's the guy that has to accept
the deal. Why am I wasting time talking to anyone
else that's not that abnormal? It feels kind of weird
because Jerry saying it. TJ. Watt did this a couple
of years ago when he held in and went right
to Art Rooney's office. Last year, when the negotiations were
(05:09):
going on with Brandon Ayuke, it was constantly Kyle John
and Brandon Ayuke dealing with each other on top of
the agent. Now, when you make the quote, I'd rather
pay more and get it right, I think there's a
lot of validity to that statement. In any walk of life,
you were better off paying a little bit more and
being happy with your purchase. I mean, think how many
(05:31):
things in life that if you go cheap on, end
up costing you more money in the long run. It
happens constantly with you know, purchases under one hundred bucks
to purchase his like cars and homes that you're like, God, damn,
I should not have done this, and it backfires. I
would say Jerry has a point when you'd rather pay
(05:53):
more and get it right. When it comes to free agents,
right when you are shopping with NFL for agents, you
would rather pay a guy twenty million dollars a year
and feel very good about him either become being a
Pro Bowl player, a high end starter and feeling good
about it, even if you are making him the highest
(06:13):
paid player at his position, then pay an average guy
sixteen million dollars a year and go, we're just filling
a need here. This I'm not comfortable with it. Totally
understand that, and I completely agree. But when you are
extending your own players, especially superstar players who are going
to make an astronomical amount of money, the Miles Garretts,
(06:37):
you know, the Justin Jeffersons, obviously, the quarterbacks, a guy
like Micah Parsons, the difference of ten fifteen million dollars
on the total guarantee could be the difference of an
extra starter or two. So when Jerry the last couple
of deals he's had with Ceedee Lamb with Dak Prescott
has cost him starting players, they don't have the wiggle
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room because of the way that he does deals. And
then his arch rival, the Eagles are known for doing
deals early and saving money over the course of a
couple seasons. Like, it's not like the Eagles don't have
a lot of high priced players. They've extended a lot
of them early. It's saved them money a year or
(07:21):
two later, and it enables them to basically have an
offense that has like nine of their eleven starters are
MAX players. And the Cowboys like, well, we can only
have three MAX players on the whole fucking team. Like
that's not normal, Like that's just bad business. And I
would imagine, you know, Steven's in a tough spot. I've
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always I've never met him, but I've known people that
have negotiated with him, not even for player stuff, but
in other walks of life, that speak really highly of them.
And to say he's pretty level headed guy to do
business with. I think sometimes when you're eighty plus years old,
you're as richest guy. Again, I like Jerry, and this
would be true in any walk of life. You know,
(08:04):
it's hard to maintain your fastball. Usually the guy that
throws one hundred miles an hour at twenty eight at
thirty years old is not doing it at forty five
years old. Dan Marino can throw a tight spiral, but
his arm strength probably isn't the same at sixty years old.
And you're watching Jerry now, one of the true mavericks
and great businessmen in the history of the NFL, has
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been a huge part of the growth and the explosion
of the marketing and the popularity of football in terms
of the mindset on the business side of the league office.
He deserves a lot of credit for that. But the
guy we're seeing now, and it pains me to say,
this feels like a shell of himself, and you know,
(08:47):
it goes with the Brian Schottenheimer higher. It's just a
bizarre place right now. And ultimately he'll pay Michael Parsons
and he'll give him one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed,
where you know, if he would have done this early,
he probably could have got him for twenty percent cheaper,
but that's not the way Jerry does business. And then
he'll just complain like, we got three guys making max money,
and it's like, yeah, probably could have saved done all
(09:08):
three of them, and they still could have been incredibly
wealthy and you would have had a better team. But
that's not what happens when you got a guy like
Jerry running the team as a GM in his eighties, Like,
how is he going to compete against Howie Roseman and
Adam Peters in his own division? News flash, he can't
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Kirk Cousins. This situation is just weird, man, I think,
and we've talked about this before. I get when you
make such an aggretch of aggressive purchase. If you're Arthur Blank,
another guy in his eighties, and you give a quarterback
essentially one hundred million dollars over a couple of years,
that you just like, I'm not letting this guy control
(09:50):
his own destiny when I paid him all this money
and I'm not just cutting him and allowing him to
go to another team. Well, I give him twenty seven
and a half million dollars this y year and then
I guarantee ten million dollars for twenty twenty six fu bs.
That's not happening. And Arthur Blank essentially told him that
right when they met, like, we paid you all this money,
(10:11):
we plan on you being here. I do think this
situation is gonna get weird now. Raheem Morris said at
the owner's meetings he does not expect her Cousins to
be at Minichamp news flag shocker. I mean, okay, I
do just wonder if and I think the hard part
(10:32):
is is Cousins is in line to make twenty seven
point five million dollars this year based on the way
he played last year. I don't think he would make
twenty seven point five million dollars had he been a
free agent in March. I think he would have got
like a Russell Wilson type deal. Here's ten or twelve
million dollars and will incentivize you up to thirty. But
(10:54):
how bad that was, given his age and given the
injury he just had. I think that would scared off
a lot of people. And I do think if they
are going to trade him, especially if I trade for him.
I also take in that roster bonus that's owned in
twenty twenty six if anyone were to sign him, if
he had been a free agent, no one would have
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guaranteed him anything past twenty twenty five. So I think
the Falcons are just operating out of spite and we're
just going to keep you around. Don't love that. Once
training campits now, we got a long way to go
till then. And maybe teams. We'll find out after the
draft who really needs an extra veteran quarterback. But this
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situation went from pretty normal when they signed him in March,
to then very weird with Kirk Cousins to now being
pretty petty, and it's going to be fascinating. I don't
know how this thing's going to play itself out, but
there is a lot of money on the line with
a quarterback that is not worth that type money based
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on the way he played. Talking about guy who is
worth a lot of money would be Brock Purty and
Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch and Jed York all spoke about
his situation, and the owner, who also talked about this
last year, expects a deal to get done now. I listen,
I've said over the course of the last month, I'm
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done arguing like whether they should or shouldn't pay them.
They've already told you they're going to pay them. So
I will react when we see the amount of money
they gave him relative to these other quarterback contracts. But
we already know that he's not a top five quarterback.
Even in the best moments of his career. He's not
as good as the Mahomes, the Josh Allens, the Lamar Jackson's.
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He's not on that level Joe Burrow, but he's proven
if your team is good enough around him, you can win.
And two of the best teams in the NFC are
proving that you can have a high priced quarterback and
build a loaded team with a lot of high priced
guys around him. So it is on John Lynch and
Kyle Shanahan to figure this that you know what out,
(13:04):
because the Eagles have a quarterback making a ton of
money and they have a loaded offense. The Lions are
paying Jared Goff a ton of money and they have
extremely high priced offense. So it's on the forty nine
ers to figure this out because we saw down the
stretch of last season. He can't turn chicken shit into
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chicken salad. That's not Brock purty, just like it's not
Jared Goff or Jalen Hurts. If I put Jared Goff
or Jalen Hurts or Brock Party on the Chiefs last year,
they're not the number one seed. So like these guys,
and there's nothing wrong with it. Luckily for Brock in
the forty nine ers, he doesn't have to go through
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Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. They got
the NFC, but like the teams at the top of
the NFC are pretty loaded around the quarterback. Hell, look
at what the Washington Commanders just did. They added a
starting left tackle. I would imagine they add more offensive
weapons come the draft. So you got the eleventh pick.
(14:06):
When you have the eleventh pick, that means you have
high picks in every round. You better get it right
because if the forty nine ers just have an average draft,
they're screwed. They need a draft that's like a moment
that changes the franchise. If not, given how much they
I'm sure plan on paying this guy, it could set
the franchise, you know, into just mediocrity for a while. Obviously,
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the NFL doesn't control what they Holidays fall on. Last
year they got ultra aggressive with a Wednesday Christmas and
they said, screw it, We're gonna give Netflix a package
out of thin air. And they did, and they gave
the teams the ability to play on Saturday, so a
Thursday schedule Wednesday, and then clearly they got a long break.
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But it was pretty unfair to force teams to play
that or to week that late in the season, like,
it's not an ideal thing for these teams. This year,
they get a little reprieve because they announced they're gonna
do a triple header on Christmas because Christmas is on Thursday,
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so you will have two Netflix games and then an
Amazon night game. Sign me up, I'm in. But I
also think it works out because you could have probably
three games on Saturday. So basically all these teams play
on Sunday the previous week, and then they just get
one less day. They play on Saturday, and then you
just rotate them all and they play on Thursday. So
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instead of a short week, instead of four days, you
get five days. Still not ideal, but much better than
last year. And that's what I would imagine happens, is
we get three games the Saturday before Christmas, and then
Christmas on Thursday, you get those same three teams or
same three games, and just rotate the teams, just like
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the Steelers, the Texans, and the Ravens. And that's what
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Dallas goddter he's getting traded. It's pretty clear. Nick Sirianni
says he's on the team as of now, and essentially like,
we can't. This is the NFL. It sucks. I watched
this thing on YouTube. It was Tannembaum interview, John Schneider
and Jason Light. It was like a very real setting out.
(18:00):
I don't know, maybe they did this at the combine,
maybe they did at the owners meetings. I'm not exactly
sure where it took place, but it was like the
three of them in a room, and it was just
refreshing to watch two guys that are gms now say,
most of the time when we let good players go,
we get crushed locally, you know, by our fans and
everyone's pissed off. We never want to let these guys go.
(18:23):
If you know the guys good. We definitely know the
guy's good, we want to keep them, but that's not
the way the league works. And John Snyder was like Mike,
I watched all these shows you're on on ESPN and
every former player is like, just pay them. He's like, well, yeah,
no shit. If we could just pay everybody and there
was no salary cap, most of the big time teams,
(18:44):
their salary you know they're setling for salaries would be
much higher. They would be spending way more money keeping players,
but you're not allowed to do that. Like, do I
think the Eagles want to get rid of Dallas Goddard? No?
Do I think that they have to make some sort
of financial move, Yes, And I also think he's got
value because we know a team like the Chargers they
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need an offensive weapon. I think teams like I think
you're gonna see teams what about the Chiefs, they got
an aging tight end. Now again, financially does it work?
This stuff is not easy? And then they're gonna be
teams that missed the playoffs last year who are bullish
on their chances moving forward, And we'll sniff around. Now,
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are they getting much of value for god Her? I
think they would be lucky to get a third round
pick given that. I'm sure he's gonna want a contract
extension in the next year or two and he's already
an expensive player. But I do think he's gonna have
a market based on the teams that hopefully draft the
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tight end in this draft aren't able to because when
they picked the guys off the board, So Dallas Goddard
will be on another team pretty soon. Some rule changes
in the NFL over time, which you know Andy Reid's
been beating this drum forever, will change for moving forward
that in the regular season, like the playoffs, both teams
(20:08):
will get the opportunity to possess the ball. Cool, I'm in.
I think we all agree that's fair. You either got
to do sudden death or you got to go all in.
They can both get to touch it. You can't do
well if we kick a field goal, then you get
a chance. But if we score a touchdown like that
that they were trying to have their cake and eat
(20:28):
it too. That was kind of bullshit. Like to me,
if you're gonna have you either do sudden death, it's
kind of like the luck of the coin flip, and
then if you score a field goal, touchdown, whatever safety,
game's over or both teams get to touch the ball.
And that's the way moving forward, which I'm cool with.
If you go on the internet, a piece of wisdom
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the older folks often give is learn to code kids,
because technology has taken out all of our jobs. AI
is coming well. The NFL will no longer be dependent
on the chain gang. They will use a camera technology
to now determine first downs. But the chain gang crew
(21:14):
who stands there with the first down marker and that
the other you know, part of the chain will still
be on the sideline. So no one, this isn't Woody Johnson.
We're not giving golden parachutes here. We're not firing the
chain gang all over the NFL. But they will no
longer be in charge of determining first downs, second downs,
(21:35):
down in distance throughout the game. So we have camera
technology now coming into play. This is what Belichick's and
banging the drum forever, you know, camera technology, goal line technology.
The NFL is like, okay, we're making some profits. We'll
start paying a little money here, and the touchback as
well will go from the thirty to the thirty five
(21:55):
yard line. It feels like they're very bullish and feeling
themselves on this new off rule, which again I'm not
opposed to it. Don't love it, but definitely don't hate it.
Kind of just like, yeah, it's cool, like it's in theory.
It should have given a lot more action. They love
saying like way less injuries, Like I don't know if
the consumer cares that much. I just want action, and
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Tush push. Every single person has a strong opinion it
should be banned, we should keep it. It's a football play.
I saw Matt Lafleur hates the play, wants it gone.
And then there are people like Jim Harbaugh and Mike
Vrabel that are like, I'm for it. If you can
run it and execute it. It's on the other team
(23:27):
to stop it. Howie Roseman got up in the meeting
today and said, can you show me the data where
there are more injuries because of this play? And there
was no data because there haven't been any more injuries.
Now there's a tough spot for the NFL because I
think ideally they would not want to play that is
(23:48):
just automatic. And for the most part, I know they've
been stopped by Vitavea once or twice, but when they
line up in the toush push, unlike every play in
the NFL, it feels like a guarantee that it's either
gonna be a first down or a touchdown. And I think,
in its heart of hearts, from an entertainment perspective, the
NFL like if they could just choose and no one
(24:10):
would be pissed off. They would just make the play disappear.
But like Howie and the Eagles have a fair point. Look,
anyone else can do this. You just don't happen to
have a quarterback that squats six hundred pounds and because
of his body type, is lower to the ground and
can get low and disappears in the play and forever.
It was like, Wow, you just got the best center.
(24:30):
Then he fucking retired and the play didn't skip a beat.
I watched Josh Allen in the playoffs against the Chiefs
running short yardage quarterback sneaks. He's one of the biggest, strongest,
most athletic quarterbacks we've ever seen. He got stuff like
four to five times. So, like I lean, like I understand,
But this is clearly of all the controversies in the
(24:52):
NFL right now, and there's a lot of them constantly,
this feels like one that a lot of people are
very emotional about. And I don't think this would be
a big deal if this was the Jags or the
Miami Dolphins or the Arizona Cardinals. But it's a team
that's been in the Super Bowl two of the last
three years and just kick the Chiefs ass on Super Sunday.
(25:14):
So the Eagles are finding out when you're the big dog,
everyone comes at you. We saw it forever with the Patriots.
People are just gunning for you, and they're gonna be
teams like the Packers. Well, what do they have in
common with the Eagles? They played them and what happened?
They lost in the playoffs, they can't stop the play
So I think there's a tough one for Roger because
(25:37):
he's just letting the teams decide and they get to
vote on it. But it's like a lot of people
are up in arms. And my ultimate take is anyone
can do it and do I like watching it just
as an independent fan of football, Like if it disappeared tomorrow,
I wouldn't think about it again the rest of my life.
(25:58):
But from just what's fair is fair? Anyone could do it.
No one steals plays and steals information like football people,
especially coaches that's constantly stealing other people's stuff off. Philm
and the Eagles have been putting this on film now
for three plus years. So if you want to do it,
(26:21):
you could just do every cutup of every time they
run it and install it with your own team. And
I would imagine some teas have tried and they don't
feel comfortable doing it. Their guy's not good enough doing it.
Hel Patrick Mahomes one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time,
after he hurt his knee on a quarterback sneak like
they don't love quarterbacks sneak in him. So now on
short yarded situations like they do rollouts and stuff because
they don't want to put him in a compromise situation.
(26:44):
But I just think this situation is not going away.
And this is when you have this multi billion dollar
league with a lot of big egos and a lot
of big personalities. These are the type problems when you
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a little mailbag at John Middlecoff is the Instagram firing
those dms. Get your questions answered right here on the podcast.
We will start with Matt All. This talk about the
tush push brings me back to Brady in the Quarterback Sneak.
We hear how the Eagles and Hurts are uniquely built
for this play, But how was a quarterback so automatic
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like Brady, he isn't uniquely strong, fast or tall. Brady's
six huge, But I hear what you're saying. Maybe the
better question is why do other quarterbacks? Why are they
so bad at it? I saw Vrabel came into my
YouTube algorithm. He was on like a you know, one
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of the local shows on Boston radio, The Big the
Sports Hub or whatever, ninety eight five, and I watched
his interview and he mentioned that one thing that Tom
was so good at is like he could hit like
three or four gaps. You know, he would see wherever
you weren't and he would attack that gap. Like the
touch push is the same every time. Right, they are
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just shoving you forward and he's going I think it's
fair to say. I mean, I've never broken it down
on the All twenty two, but just in a vertical
straight line forward. Maybe he moves a little bit left
or right, but it's just it's a push forward Tom,
like Josh Allen tried to do in the AFC Championship game,
is like picking lanes, and historically that's kind of what
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you did. Like if a dude was shaded over the
center and shaded over the right guard, and you had
a little angle to the left guard, you would fire
to the left side or vice versa. I don't know.
I mean Tom was just a lead at it. Some
people just have certain skills and are comfortable doing it.
Maybe it's there's a push off element. Tom is also
Tom is tall, I mean Tom is six'. Five SO
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i think some People, MAHOMES i, mean they just don't
even run. It SO i don't have a great answer for. You,
beside LIKE i do think the reason people don't just
one copy the push, Push like IF i Have Jared
goff Or Patrick mahomes or some of these quarterbacks who
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Like Jared goff is not you're not gonna want to
put him like that low. One he. Can't he's tall as,
well but like he might be liable to get. Hurt you.
Know part of what Makes jalen unique is kind of
his body. Type he's like the Bigger he's a little
bigger version of Like Russell. Wilson Russell wilson in his
heyday would have been good at the toush. PUSH i would.
Guess so's it's harder For Peyton manning Or Philip rivers
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to get that. Low it's crazy how big of a
topic The toush pushes has. Become And i'll keep saying.
This the torpedo. Bats someone hit me Like judge isn't using?
Them like, Listen I'M i enjoy The. Yankees i'm not
anti The. Yankees i'm. Entertained, honestly like two baseball teams
like kind of loosely followed The yankees And dodgers just
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because you just want to see the best. Teams. Uh
BUT i guess he's not using the torpedo. Bat but
the dude on the On cincinnati used the torpedo bat
On monday night had like seven RBIs and went four for.
Five i'm pro the torpedo. Bat i'm not anti the torpedo. Bat.
YEAH i don't even know what WHY i brought the torpedo.
Back but question for the. Bag THE nc DOUBLE a
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is so opposed to having student athletes be, employees even
though every university employee employees students for several non athletic campus.
Functions why doesn't THE NC doublea allow college athletes to
be employees of the university with contracts that stipulate classroom
attendance and other specific. Terms is it simply because THE
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NC doublea doesn't want universities to provide health insurance and other.
Benefits seems like most of the nil sketchiness we're seeing
is because there are no. Rules but in my, opinion
having contracts would solve the vast majority of the. ISSUES
i don't pretend to be LIKE ncublea revenue share like
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a master on this, topic but health. Insurance IF i
shatter my leg playing For wisconsin or playing FOR ucla or,
whatever ruined my, shoulder ruin my, ELBOW i get surgery
on their. Dime so the program ensures. Me let's assume
like MY, I i don't even have. Parents my grandparents raise,
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me and they don't have health insurance. Either the school
covers me as a collegiate. ATHLETE i think their, issue
the schools, issue like the title nine, thing is kind
of the elephant in the. Room you, know you couldn't
just employ the football players and not employ the soccer
players and the softball. PLAYERS i, mean it's just it
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becomes this weird situation of, legalities which, again LIKE i
don't feel that comfortable talking, about BUT i know they.
EXIST i saw them At President, state the softball coach
WHEN i was there in two thousand and eight and
two thousand and nine had sued the school and was one,
of if not the highest paid softball coaches in the
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country at the. Time she's making like four hundred, grand
like eight because she had sued the school For title nine.
Violations the basketball Coach Stacy Johnson, clin who was a
good looking woman she actually had been, fired had sued
the school because she claimed like the ad had like
touched her in a car wash and had got like
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ten plus million. Dollars so The title nine situation can
be very financially limiting if you screw something up like
you can be forced to pay a lot of money
in situations that you don't don't like the softball coach
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making four hundred grand At President state in two thousand and,
NINE i mean it's, insane but Like title, nine she got.
It The Stacy Johnson, clin the basketball. Coach you, know
there were a lot of different opinions on what actually,
Happened but what did happen is she won a lawsuit
for a lot of. Money Is Matt ryan A hall Of?
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QUARTERBACK i think anyone who says no is. Crazy Pro
Football focus. Agrees if you look at Their hall Of fame,
rating but here's, why and then he just rattles OFF mvp,
award has ONE Mvp award equal To, Lway brito And Terry.
Bradshaw First Team All pro selection achieved in, sixteen surpassed
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legends Like, Elway, aikman And Warn moon career passer rating
higher than far Of, Montana, Roethlisberger, warner And aikman touchdown
to interception rationing and just rattles. Off WHEN i close
my eyes AND i Think Matt, ryan DO i Think
hall Of? Fame and, again my standards are really, high
like WHEN i Think hall Of, Fame Brady, Manning, Rogers Ray,
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lewis Ed, Reid Adrian, peterson like the greatest players of all,
Time Trent, williams La Danian, townlinson like Just Dion, Sanders Reggie,
White Lawrence, Taylor Joe, Montana Jerry, rice like those are
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the type GUYS i think. About and MAYBE i have
too high of a of kind of like my threshold
is way higher than. Some Matt ryan is a phenomenal,
player and like he falls under the you, Know Cam
newton's one year was more of an outlier relative to
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most of his. Career BUT i do Think Matt ryan
And Cam newton both like they had this REMARKABLE mvp
season and they led a team to a Super bowl
and then they. LOST i do think if they had
won the Super, bowl like won THE mvp and then
won the Super, bowl it's like you do stuff like,
that it's, like, Yeah hall Of. FAMER i think when
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you lose that, game fair or, not it can kind
of rattle your. Candidacy it's hard to Do Pro bowls
and he, played you, know in an arrow with in
THE Nfc rogers really his entire, time And breeze and
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Then Russell. Wilson SO I i just have high. Standards
i'm not Anti Mount, ryan AND i Respect Mount ryan's,
game but my first reaction is. No BUT i think
the same for a lot of players in his. Era Philip,
rivers you, Know eli's tough because he did have those two.
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Seasons AND i just used the, example BUT eli wasn't
winning THE. Mvp to, me IF eli had AN mvp
be a no. Brainer BUT i understand the arguments on both.
Sides longtime coffee, amember everyone says That Josh allen is
an all time, talent no. Argument people also claim that
Day ball is the one who Fixed. Josh what are
the chances the majority of people are incorrect in their
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assessment Of Brian. Dabole i'm not saying he's necessarily a bad,
coach but it seems to me that he got more
good coach credits transferred from working with an all time
talent In Josh allen than the bad coach credits for
sucking consistently with The. Giants josh likely would have figured it,
out it just happened to be With, daball and the
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year Day ball went to the, playoffs dj had fifteen,
touchdowns five, interceptions and seven rushing, touchdowns not exactly killing.
IT i do understand that he Maximized Daniel, jones BUT
i can't help but Think allen Saved, daball and not
sure the other way. AROUND i think the reason he
gets a lot of credit With Josh allen is because
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when The bills Drafted Josh, allen it was an extremely controversial.
Pick he was not very good in. College, now, granted
he played At wyoming and his last year there they
had lost a bunch of skill, guys so his team
wasn't as. Good but coming out of college he was
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his two seasons starting At wyoming fifty six percent fifty six.
Percent he had a pretty solid twenty sixteen season with
twenty eight, touchdowns but he threw fifteen, interceptions and then
his senior year he threw sixteen. Touchdowns SO i just
think it's not it looked like he got a. Project
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and this is the best part or the most fascinating
part about arguing this. Stuff we'll never, know like Is
Patrick Mahomes Patrick mahomes if some random, coach If Todd
bowles gets, HIM i Don't Robert sali gets. HIM i don't.
KNOW i think it's fair to say he would not
have won't rattled off all The Super. Bowls but does
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he win A Super? Bowl Would Josh allen been great
no matter where he? GOES i don't know the answer to.
That could you make the argument That Josh allen Made
brian Da ball BECAUSE i Saw brian Day ball coach
a lot of offenses before he got To buffalo and
it was not. Pretty, now maybe he learned in his
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one stint From, Saban BUT i don't have a great
answer for. You, besides, LIKE i don't, know one thing's.
Clear Josh allen is now a dominant, player and anyone
who coaches him is going to get a lot of.
Credit But brian day ball IS i think he was
asked today On tuesday that if he'll call plays and
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he still didn't have an. Answer he's just the. Giant
situation has just been. Weird it really has Huge charger
FAN a lot of people talk about The chargers need. Weapons,
WELL i. AGREE i look at the new regime as
building through their, identity build inside. OUT i see you
Say jim was never going to pay thirty million dollars
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for a. Receiver my question is what is your viewpoint
on the value of weapon Pieces after the interior is,
built can a lesser of talented player be evaluated to
a superstar level with strong foundation built? First the most
popular example is The. Lions, WELL i do believe, that
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like when you build a great offensive, line if you
hit on a solid running, back he's gonna look way.
BETTER i would have. BET i would Imagine Najie harris
has a good. SEASON i would guess they draft a
running back with their first three or four. Picks i'd
be a little shocked if that guy's not. Good so
it's much easier to be a running back behind a
good offensive line than a bad. One look At saquan
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BUT i would say, that you, know part of having
great wide receivers is like if you don't throw it
all the, time who really? Cares Like Jim harbone wants
to run the. Ball he wants to run the, ball
slow down the, game and play defense what he's been
doing for fifteen plus years At stanford forty Nine ers In.
Michigan so like having Dk metcalf and allocating that much
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money to one player feels like a misuse of funds
and misuse of. Resources it's why he doesn't usually do.
It like to, me The chargers need tight end running.
Back question for the, mailback what are your thoughts On
shrager leaving THE nfl? Network are you? FRIENDS i wouldn't
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call him a, friend BUT i know. HIM i think
THE nfl network is just not going to. EXIST i
don't know when or how or when you turn on
television it won't be, there or it'll be morphed INTO.
Espn but THE nfl network that we knew a decade
ago or five years ago is not going to exist
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over the next three or four. Years they have been
trying to sell it. Forever SO i Think schrager is
very very tight in with THE, nfl you, know in
terms of coaches and just he's, good he's. ENTERTAINING i enjoy.
Him got off a sinking, chip like THE nfl network.
Is it's just not gonna be around over the next several.
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YEARS i don't know, when but as it's as we know,
it it's it's really just not gonna be near the.
Same and you, know he's A New york. Guy they
Move Good Morning football TO la you, KNOW i Think jason,
mccordy who was part of that, show Or devin one
of the. TWO i think it Was. Jason mike refused to.
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Go he's, like, NO i Think Kyle brandt's really, talented
kind of in a tough. SPOT i don't. KNOW i,
mean it's just you're part of these shows and you're
you're one of the. Talents, well this is the thing
of like you, know quote unquote legacy old school. Media
you're you're if they want to move studios to a different,
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state what are you gonna. Do it's in the podcast.
Business you can't just do it from your, house even
though he kind of did at, Times BUT i mean
it was clear that that show is coming down the home.
STRETCH i don't watch, it but it gets good. Reviews
people enjoy, it so it's just an easy show to
consume WHEN i have seen. It how much stock do
you put in cold WEATHER nfl, Teams, Bill's, Pats, packers.
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Etc put into players that came from cold weather. Schools
it's a good. QUESTION i think it matters at. Quarterback you,
know if you take a guy To New, england or
you take a guy To philly and they don't have
a strong arm and don't function well in inclement weather
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Or New york Or, pittsburgh it's gonna be. Difficult it
is dramatically easier to play your home games In Los
angeles Or San francisco or a dome than it is
in freezing cold. Conditions can you imagine Playing Kansas city
home games In. December it's gonna be hard to have
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a week arm. Now Alex smith like they could kind
of manage, it but it was difficult and they had.
LIMITATIONS i think when it comes to other, positions like
tough guys, Translate like if you're a, tough physical linebacker
and you played AT usc Or, texas you're gonna be, okay,
right same with guards and d tackles and. Corners that's
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where the scouting aspect of your, football character of your
personality come into. Play like it's not it's not anyone's.
Fault you play At. ALABAMA a lot of guys From
alabama have gone on to cold weather cities have been
just fine Or georgia Or. FLORIDA i think it's much
more difficult for, quarterbacks especially arm. STRENGTH i, mean if
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you play like it's hard to play In chicago if
you have a weak. Arm part of the reason they
Love caleb he has a. Hose it gets fucking windy
and cold. There you're not gonna be throwing eighty miles
an hour In. Excel you've got to have a. FASTBALL i,
mean who's look at The. Packers there's a reason the
last three quarterbacks big. Arms you need, It Josh Allen
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baltimore Or, buffaloe cold inclement. Weather lamar has a pretty good.
Arm SO i think it's more personality for most, positions you, know,
receivers if you get a little bit of a. Diva but,
again Like Deshaun jackson was From la played a cow
and went To philly and was just. FINE i think
for most, positions it's a pretty easy. Transition plus your.
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Body you, Know i've been living In arizona for a.
While The barrier is just much. Colder people Say california great.
Weather The barry does not have great. Weather they talk
about Northern california like it's Southern. California it is. Not
San francisco's freezing. COLD i Think Mark twain said the
coldest day of the year is a summer In San.
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Francisco summer night In San. Francisco it's a cold. Place
so like you kind of adapt your surroundings Because i've been,
Here like it's sixty degrees or, UNDER i get really.
Cold not THAT i ever truly embraced, it but when
you live In philly you kind of get a little
more used to the. Cold but if you have small,
hands a weak, ARM i don't care how mentally and
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physically tough you, are they're just. Limitations Lifelong bears, FAN
i know you've gotten a lot of mailback questions About,
kalb but here's one. MORE i completely agree with your
outlook on. Him next year will be a big tale
about his. Future last year is tough to. Judge him
and how he'll be as AN nfl quarterback because of
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the lack of the team's competitiveness and maybe the worst
coaching staff of all. Time i've seen a few, worse
but it's. Bad i've heard you say he was getting
all his stats in the second half of games that
were already. Over it's definitely. True but on multiple, occasions
during one score games against The, commanders The packers and
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The vikings forced, overtime and The thanksgiving game against The,
lions he was able to drive the ball down the
field in the fourth quarter and fell short due to
his team or coaching staff letting him. Down can we
start being fair when talking about the guy who has
shown flashes of a late game clutch. GENE i don't
think anyone's shitting on. Him i'm just the guy presented
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his stats of his touchdowns in his yards AND i
just said a lot of those who were accumulated down
a lot of. SCORES i mean That lions game when
Eber flues fucked him by not calling the time. OUT
i forget the exact, score BUT i, mean was it
like twenty four to nothing and a half twenty eight?
NOTHING i mean it was a. Blowout SO i think
when you're in those, moments you get to accumulate a
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lot of. Stats because the team, loses the other team loses.
Focus especially by, then everyone viewed The bears as. Terrible
Now i'm with. You once the game becomes, tight you
either got to make the plays or you. Don't he
made a lot of. Plays i'm not acting Like caleb's some.
Scrub no one's saying. That it just we'll see what
it looks. LIKE i don't know the. ANSWER i would.
Not all these guys are gonna hit and who knows
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from year to, Year like we SAW. Cj, stroud it
looked like he was top five. Quarterback then he had
a bad second, year so things changed really. Quickly all
of a, Sudden caleb can become a. STAR i don't. Know,
everyone as the kids, say love Glazing Ben, Johnson well
see how he is a head. COACH i don't. Know
everyone Thought Dan campbell is gonna Be jim Tom, sula
and it's Like Dan campbe's one of the best coaches
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in the league right. Now ben listening to pods is
my h since my brother who's a fanatic, fan send
it to me mid. SEASON i love your. Takes i'm
in the process of building a team for a company
to launch a new. Product some DAYS i feel like
A gm trying to bring in all types, internal, external
outside the box. Thinkers my non negotiable QUALITIES i look
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for in each person are, vision, consistency and. Humility they
can all show in different ways and they don't have
to be strong at, all but need to show. Potential
if you are picking a team for, business what are
some non negotiable qualities you would look for in each
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individual team. Member obviously there are certain, industries like you
can't make THE nfl without meeting certain, requirements like there
is no mere use in THE. Nfl you can't just
show up Like i'm gonna make THE, nfl, Right so
you need to have, size physical. Characteristics you have to
have played football in. College Jordan mylotta withstanding like and
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even he was like probably one of the great rugby
players In. Australia you can't just normal people can't play
same thing with, basketball same thing with. Baseball you have
to possess certain. Skills so not knowing your, industry there
are certain like you can't just be an architect without
a background in, it, right you could do What i'm,
doing just with a big. PERSONALITY i guess even if
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you didn't have a background working in sports or, journalism
you could just be a commentator or a. Broadcaster you
could just. Learn you could learn that vocation. There you
can't just show up and just like learn how to
become a doctor without the schooling, Right, so not knowing your,
industry clearly there might be a box you have to
check to understand IF i need an engineer or a.
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Coder no matter how BAD i want, IT i would
never be able to figure out how to. Code it's
just not in my. Wheelhouse so if you're looking for younger,
PEOPLE i would, say in my experience in football and
now you, know we Bring jackson on in the fall
AND i want to develop a bigger role for him.
HERE i like young hungry people and you can just
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sense their. ENERGY i once upon a, time twenty plus years,
ago was as hungry and ambitious as like any young
kid that just wants an. INN i VALUE i would say,
hunger willingness to do, whatever and passion very very. Highly
you know when you say humility with a young, PERSON
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i don't want them coming. IN i don't need all their.
IDEAS i do think when you're hiring experience people LIKE
i don't really mind an, Ego like if you're bringing
some to the table and whatever we're gonna, do you're
gonna help us print, money you're gonna help us, Succeed,
like you, know you gotta deal with some. Egos so,
humility there's a difference of like treating people well and
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like assholes and people being you, know treating whoever that
are lower than them on the totem. Pole and especially
if you're in an office, setting you get a pretty
good feel for. That that would be SOMETHING i wouldn't
want to deal with if it's just a bad guy or.
Girl but, uh humility to me is not as big a.
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Deal BUT i would just say, hunger, passion willingness to do.
Whatever and let's face, it some people are just kind
of they just. Produce it's my favorite part about like
the business. World some people just produce more than others
and we all can figure it out pretty quickly who
those individuals. Are in whatever field we're. In some people
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are cash. Cows some people are bring a lot of
added value to whatever you're. Doing and it's. HARD i,
mean it's no different than. Scouting it's no different than hiring.
People you're just taking an educated guess and you can
call a million people to get. Recommendations you never really
know until you start working with. THEM i was driving
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around yesterday listening To Brian callahan talk and he's, like,
Listen i've been around my dad obviously eighteen years growing.
Up he's one of the closest people to my. Life
But i've never worked with with my father until this, year, Right, so,
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Oh Bill, Callahan he's, like this was the first year
we'd ever worked. Together so there is, like, yeah we
know each other really, well he's my, father but like
as the play caller on game, day we had to
figure out how to work with each. OTHER i also
think there, is you, know so much value in you,
know being around the other. Person for those of you
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that have work in office, settings that there's just a
value there that cannot be. Disputed it's much easier to
be productive with ideas to figure, out you, know if
you have people working under, you how good or bad they.
Are SOMETHING i miss. Dearly to be honest with, you
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love the podcast question what do you think the bear
should do with the tenth? PICK i personally think The
bear should be aggressive and move up to Get Abdull. Carter,
OTHERWISE i think they should Draft Tyler warren Or. GENTY
i think draft in a running back tenth overall is.
NUTS i think that's pretty. CRAZY i really. Do people
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Think i'm a hater on the. Guy he's an excellent.
PLAYER i just in a draft where you can get
a running back in the second or third, ROUND i
would take a defensive. Lineman look who you're playing great,
offenses right you have to assume The bear is going
to be much better on. Offense you got to assume
The lions are going to be, explosive and they got
sweet players, everywhere And minnesota has incredible players and a rookie.
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QUARTERBACK i would want to hit the quarterback as many
times as they. Could and if they're a defensive, linemen
like you, Said Abdul carter be. Awesome you're not gonna
get him unless he has major medical issues in he.
Falls but he's going two or, three AND i would
not trade up to two or. THREE i would just take,
Whoever Jalen, walker whoever the best defensive lineman is on the.
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Board that's probably WHAT i would do IF i was The.
Bears you, KNOW i think the thing With Tyler warren
is he obviously is his size is pretty. SPECIAL i
mean he's. Huge let me get his exact. Measurements Tyler,
Warren so he was six five and a half two
hundred and sixty. POUNDS i mean he's. Massive he's not
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the twitchiest. Guy and from a change of direction, FLUIDITY
i mean he's Not Kelsey Mark Andrews. Kittle he's really
just a kind of a jump. Ball he's got great ball.
Skills he's a good. Player you, Know i've talked to
some people in THE. NFL i think the way he's
talked about is a little. STRONG i would say in
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a good, draft guy like him goes in like the,
twenties ten would be there'd be a lot of pressure
on him to become a good. Player you take a
tight end to, ten he better be a pro bowler
because you're paying him a lot of. Money, immediately question
for the. Mailbag heard your topic About hertz First, herbert
AND i think it's a very unique situation when you
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compare them fairly easily because they've shared two. Coordinators herbert
With Shane stiken went forty three hundred yards thirty one
touchdowns and ten, interceptions And jalen went thirty seven hundred,
yards twenty two, touchdowns six. Picks and With Kellen, Moore
herbert went twenty and Seven jalen went eighteen and. Five
they both miss some. Time why do you think people
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Discount herbert's situation and weapons he's had in his, Career
with the exception Of lad, McConkie the only weapon not
A river's leftover Is Quinton Johnson herbert WITH Aj brown
And davante Would. COOK i agree the only people that
hate On herbert are people on the. Internet you won't
find people on the, internet or excuse, me THE nfl executives'
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coaches did talk poorly about the. Guy he's a really,
good talented. Player is he? Perfect? No is he better
than the top? Guys? No would like eighty five ninety
percent of the league take him immediately one hundred. Percent,
also comparing like he doesn't, play he has to Beat Joe,
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Burrow Lamar, JACKSON C. J, Stroud Patrick mahomes like those
are he. Doesn't jalen's in a different. Conference comparing him
To jalen. Stupid jalen's comps are THE nfc Guys Jayden, Purdy,
Dak Jared, Goff Jordan love like. That that's that's who
he has to worry. About THE nfc is a Different
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it's like a different. Neighborhood THE afc is like the
richest neighborhood in the entire. State it doesn't get any.
Better we got all these guys that are going right
to The hall Of, fame especially the top. Three THE
nfc is, like, YEAH i, mean a couple of years,
ago people Thought Jared goff. Sucked Jalen hurts has been
more than up for debate over the last couple of.
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Years party is the number one debated quarterback going right.
Now most people think That Dak prescott's the most overpaid
quarterback in the history of THE. Nfl he's got in
Two max. Contracts H Jordan LOVE i like, Him, yeah
BUT i mean MAYBE i won't by the end of
the next. Season NFC's got a lot of question. Marks
(58:00):
cars And Bryce YOUNG'S i, Mean, BAKER i forget about.
Him it's not exactly you, know far Of young And.
Aikman let's pretend you AND i are On Shark. Tank
you are one of the. Sharks i'm an, entrepreneur pitching
you a company to invest. In my best friends from
college AND i are building a sports betting app for
(58:23):
the App store that offers a safer and more social
alternative to traditional house. Betting we are calling it league.
Bet it's a tournament, style skill based sports betting app
where players participate by joining a public or private, league
enrolling in low cost buy in which converts to high
ratio virtual, bankroll and you compete head to head against
(58:46):
their peers with the goal of being the top performing
sports Better the player with the most correct sports bets
with the league requirements wins the price. Pool our target
audience at college students twenty one, plus workplace environment, athletes
and traditional sports wagers at. Casinos as a frequent sports better.
Yourself what do you think about the concept and what
(59:08):
and would you use it? WELL i would be considered
like most people to gamble a. TRADITIONALIST i like betting
one hundred dollars On Joel damon nine to one to
top ten in The. VALERO i like betting on a
three team parlay in The sweet sixteen for teams to
make The final. FOUR i like getting nine to one
(59:31):
odds On arkansas to make The final. Four and putting
a hundred bucks on, Them LIKE i just like me
against the. Game So i've Never i'm not a big
fantasy football, guy So i've never been a part like
where everyone buys in for fifty, bucks a hundred. BUCKS
i Mean i've had friends to buy in for four,
figures like have these huge leagues where the winner gets
(59:54):
ten thousand or you, know you read these stories about
like the celebrities enormous cash. Prizes so clearly there's some
intrigue in. That but like when my friends or people
in my life text about, gambling we text about who
we should bet, On like do you like The chiefs
as an underdog against The bills in the second? Round
(01:00:17):
do you like you know usc is getting ten points
At Notre Dame LIKE i don't. Know So i've never
bet beside WHEN i played golf against other, INDIVIDUALS i
bet against a team or in golf on a, player
(01:00:38):
And i've been doing, that you know for fifteen plus
years since. College, really BUT i just my gambling habits
as a sports better would never lean to that. NOW
i can't speak if you're twenty years old and, listen
there's something like in college betting some on fifty bucks
(01:01:02):
when your team's plan their team. TOTALLY i Mean i'm
not acting Like i've never done something like, that but
as a consistent, GAMBLER i like gambling on the game
more THAN i do against other. Individuals so, like there's
a reason that you, know The draftking sponsorship that we
have works so well for me. Personally ONE i invested
(01:01:22):
in the company in my brokerage. Account, Two I'VE i
gamble heavily on sports just BECAUSE i like. TO i
Mean i've gambled pretty probably put seven eight bets on
The March. Madness AND i don't even watch college, basketball
But i'm a Fucking american AND i like to, gamble
(01:01:43):
and it's LIKE i gotta have a little action on
this and it's. Fun but it also for me and
we're all. Different like WHEN i put one hundred bucks
On arkansas to make The Final, FOUR i was on
the edge of my seat Watching arkansas Play Texas. Tech
and while they lost AND i didn't even get the
(01:02:04):
opportunity to see that bet through one more, game that
hundred dollars was worth the. Price it was LIKE i
was at the. Game it was incredible for. ME i
get highs from. Entertainment you, Know i've been watching sports
for so, long beside, football which is extremely intriguing to
me Because i'm going to do podcast topics off. It
(01:02:26):
SO i do this for a. Living but it's Just
i'm always, thinking, like how CAN i make something interesting
off What Mike vrabel just said or what the forty
nine ers just did a lot of especially when it
comes to basketball or baseball or even the hockey. Playoffs like,
listen IT'S i do want to pay attention to THE nba. Playoffs,
(01:02:46):
well it's much easier IF i placed a couple bets
on teams to, win like The western And Eastern. Conference
SO i like gambling from an entertainment standpoint BECAUSE i don't.
CARE i do not care who. WINS i have no
oh horse in the. Race when it came To March,
MADNESS i didn't give a shit who won beside the
teams THAT i bet. On so that's HOW i gamble
(01:03:09):
when it comes to. Sports IS i gambled less to
like OH i beat my, buddy and more LIKE i
just won. Money it's honestly one of the last things
in this in my life that kind of gets my juices,
Flowing LIKE i would not having just. ONE i THINK
i put one hundred and fifty bucks On arkansas would
have paid like fifteen hundred. Dollars it was. RIVETING i
(01:03:34):
can't still can't believe they blew, it but it's like
that's HOW i get my, entertainment and as you get,
older LIKE i, don't not many things entertainment. Anymore that'll
do a good question the volume
Host
John Middlekauff
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