3 & Out - Jim Irsay passes away, latest around the NFL, College Football Playoff news - 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody, John millcop three
and our podcast? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone had

(00:21):
a good Memorial Day weekend. I haven't talked into this
mic here in about four or five days. Excited, a
little recharge, spent the weekend Lake Tahelle. But I'm back
better than ever. I mean, no better than ever, but excited.
I'm fired up. So we got some football to talk about,
a lot of news and notes going on around the league.

(00:42):
I haven't spoke since Ersa died. A couple of quick
thoughts there, league lost a big, big personality obviously, and
a couple of college football things USC Notre Dame. Is
that coming to an end? Receding no longer? Just gonna
see it straight in the college football playoffs and then
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wanted to start with Jim Ursay, who passed away last
week at sixty five years old. Obviously, when you looked

(02:32):
at him, I was honestly blown away that he was
that young. I mean, sixty five is not old. In
twenty twenty five, he I think had been really struggling.
There were some pictures not this owner's meetings, but a
previous one with him on a wheelchair. He'd clearly been
pretty sick over recent times, and his daughters have taken

(02:54):
over the team. But I can't speak to him as
an individual. I never met the guy, but I do
think he represented a group of people that just aren't
gonna be around very soon in the near future. And
you could argue they're not really around anymore. We have
a couple, really, we just have one big personality left.

(03:15):
And whenever Jerry goes, there is going to be an
identity in the NFL that I just gonna be missing. Now,
maybe it won't matter because the league is so popular,
but you guys know where I stand when it comes
to professional sports. First and foremost, it's an entertainment product,
and it's become reality television, and for most of my life,

(03:37):
especially when I was growing up. Owners were massive characters
in the reality show that was Pro Sports, And you know,
if you grew up Eddie de barbelow Al Davis, I'd
say the biggest one of my lifetime was George Steinbrenner
owning the Yankees, and these guys were just massive personalities.

(03:59):
They were as famous as the coach, as the GM
sometimes they were the GM, and as equals to the players,
and they let you be known. They basically did what
Jerry Jones does, gives his opinion on anything at all times.
Not afraid zero f's given twenty four to seven, three
sixty five. But in twenty twenty five, with the evaluations

(04:20):
of these teams, think about some of the big personalities
we have in the NFL. Now, you don't really hear
from them, Like it's like, well, the Brown's doing crazy shit.
With Jimmy Haslin, I never hear him talk. I never
hear him say a peep. I mean, honestly, if I
had to guess how many times he like addresses the
media year, I'd say it's under three. David Tepper, who

(04:41):
has led a pretty crazy first several years as the
owner of the Panthers, firing people left and right, crazy
articles coming out about him all the time. If I
want to hear David Tepper talk, I am more likely
to watch him on CNBC than I am to see
him do a sit down with like Adam Schefter. Like
those days are these guys don't speak, you know why,

(05:02):
because there's too much online. It doesn't even behoove them
to say a peep. Jerry Jones is a complete outlier.
And to me, Jim Irsay and Pat McAfee gave a good,
kind of a good talk on Friday about the impact
that Ersay had on him and how when Pac first
got on Twitter, how Ersay was so intrigued and he

(05:23):
got on and it's just like we don't really get
that anymore, and that makes me sad. Also some reading,
I didn't know that much about him that he became
the general manager of the team at twenty four years old.
There really was something special about pro sports in like
the seventies and the eighties. It was nowhere near the

(05:44):
business vehicle that it was now. Can you imagine if
in the NFL an owner just made his son the
GM at twenty four years old. Even if behind the
scenes some of this stuff is kind of going on.
Kids have a lot of pull. Kids impact their father
and tell them who to draft. You know, the kid

(06:05):
has a huge influence on the coach and the GM.
I'm sure it happens. You would be naive to think
it doesn't. But none of these owners are just being like, yeah,
my son is going to be the GM of the team.
And that's what happened with jim Irsay in the early eighties,
and that there was just something, I don't know, kind
of chaotic but also very very interesting. Now, Luckily, I

(06:28):
think because we have so many young gms and the
money so big that we get way more transactions and
crazy trades. That has kind of been an additive to
the sport. But the day and age of Al Davis
getting in front of the media with an overhead projector
reading him the letter that he sent Lane Kiffen why

(06:50):
he fired him for cause are just done, like, we
don't get that anymore. And I think jim Irsay was
kind of viewed as a crazy character. Obviously, he did
a lot of good things behind the scenes in terms
of giving back, and that's been well documented over the
last four or five years. But when you just said
the words Jim ersay to me, I thought, like big

(07:10):
personality and a guy who you know, when he really
had his fastball, didn't give a shit and just wasn't
afraid to just say what was on his mind, right
or wrong. And you don't have to agree with everything
that is that he did over the years when it
came to his football team if you're a Colts fan,
but at least you appreciate it like he wasn't scared.
It didn't ever felt like he was really hiding. Maybe

(07:32):
it felt like that over the last couple of years
as he got I would say old fast. But I
think we just miss these type guys that were part
of a league. And I read a good article like
this guy came up with his dad in a league
that does not parallel what we are going through right

(07:53):
now with salary cap of almost three hundred million dollars,
with these crazy television deals. Like these owners did not
have close to the money and definitely not the revenue
streams back in the day, and that led to them
I think not really give it a shit, and I'm
gonna miss that. I'm a sucker for that. Like Jerry Jones,

(08:13):
who knows how much longer we have of him. Now
you could argue he's a little overkilled because he talks
so much. But at least he's willing to say some shit,
you know, because most of these owners do not say
a peep, no matter how crazy the stuff they do.
So you know, I'll think of Jim Irsay, listen, when
Peyton Manning went there, I became a big Colts fan.

(08:36):
I rooted for them. I really wanted them to beat
the Patriots when I was in high school and in college,
and they never could until finally that game in six.
He does have to get credit because for a guy
that became the GM hired Bill Pollian, who's a Hall
of Fame GM who obviously went on to draft Peyton
Manning and build the team that was in the two

(08:56):
thousands easily I would say, the second best team of
that decade. And if it wasn't for Belichick and Brady,
who knows, maybe they have three or four rings during
that time. But yeah, rip did Jim Mersey. So NFL
news and notes from the day, A lot of stuff
going on, like some stuff not that crazy Joey Bosa injured. Shocker,

(09:22):
didn't see that one coming. Now, the reality with the Bills.
He has a calf injury. He's not going to participate
this offseason, should be ready for training camp. Is the
offseason training camp. You could argue even early in the
season doesn't matter for Joey Bosa at all. The Bills
signed Joey Bosa for November December in the playoffs. Now

(09:42):
can he stay healthy? I would say being injured in
otas's ideal, But this is part of, you know, the
package when you signed Joey. I think they're gonna have
to treat him with kid gloves and really just try
to keep him healthy for the games, because that's why
they signed him, to get some sacks down the stretch

(10:02):
and make plays in some big games in December in
the playoffs. Speaking of the Bills, James Cook absent. You know,
he sees these running backs getting a lot of money.
He's a really good player. I would say he's changed
the identity of the Bills these last couple of years.
I would imagine that the front office with the Bills
isn't like very comfortable giving a running back forty fifty

(10:25):
million dollars guaranteed. But I would imagine James Cook's gonna
want seventeen eighteen million dollars a year and I don't
know at minimum forty million dollars guaranteed. So it's gonna
be interesting how this shakes out. Probably be a staring
contest for a while off season for a guy that
knows your scheme whatever. But like, come training camp, you've
seen this before. You want a guy, especially at running

(10:47):
back the reps being in the mode, like you don't
want him just to show up week one. You know,
I have not practiced with you. So it's gonna be
interesting to watch how that shakes out. A couple things
with the Falcons, you know, I think Cousins was there
earlier during some of the early phases working out now
that they're actually doing more football related activities. Rahie Morris

(11:09):
said he did not see Cousins today, Aka he's not there,
And this was kind of reported that if he was
still on the team during OTAs that he wasn't going
to be around. Like, totally understand it. Don't even think
it's that weird. I think they're kind of in a
staring contest. Who really needs them at this point in time.
I don't think the Browns are going to trade for
him if we assume that Aaron Rodgers one day, maybe

(11:33):
this year, in the near future, we'll sign with the
Pittsburgh Steelers. They won't trade for him, So what is
the Cousins market? If I was going to sit here
on May twenty seventh, then guess what happens. I think
the Falcons are just going to play this into training
camp and hope that someone gets injured and they could
make a trade. But right now, I don't really know

(11:54):
if there's a lot of destinations for him to go.
I always hesitate with the because it's just day one.
Maybe a report comes out, But as of the day,
there was a report that Kyle Pitts did not show up,
and the way that it was reported, it's not like
you know something's going on in his personal life. It
said he's not that comfortable playing on the fifty year

(12:16):
option for almost eleven million dollars. If that is the case,
that's fucking insane. The guy got forty seven balls in
six hundred yards and four touchdowns last year. Like, I
don't know if that's really the year to try to
have like a hardcore negotiation, especially when you're on the
books for almost eleven million dollars. Which seems more than

(12:39):
fair given your production. And I think he's a guy
that a lot of people have argued, like what's going on.
Sometimes maybe he's just not that good, or maybe he
is just such a unique player. He can only do
one thing, and the Falcons have never been able to
maximize that. And he's destined to fall in, you know,
to another team. But even if they were to trade

(13:00):
him over the next couple months before the start of
the season, I have a hard time seeing any team
giving him a contract extension. So hey, it's twenty twenty
five player empowerment. If you think got forty seven catches,
you're getting screwed at ten point eight million dollars. I
don't know what to tell you. I love this line
from Todd Bowles. Now, listen, like you get in business

(13:25):
with certain people. If you get in business with someone
that your entire town tells you, man, this guy's shady,
bro be very very careful. I would recommend you not
do business with this guy and then that guy screws
you financially. You only have yourself to blame, right If
everyone of your friends is like man, I'm not one

(13:47):
to tell you about your relationship, but I think she's
not right for you, and then you get into a
bad breakup, like it's kind of on you. I get
asan Reddick has some talent and some speed coming off
the edge, and in the business of football, that position
and that skill is valued highly. I totally get it.

(14:10):
I think he's a talented player. I do think the
last year's been a little weird, like when the Eagles
are like, yeah, we're out, and then the Jets are like,
what the fuck's going on? And then it takes the
general manager getting fired and the owner being terrified that
you know a season was going to be lost it
ended up being lost, and giving the guy a raise
to get him just to show up, like I'm sorry,

(14:31):
it's a bizarre situation. Jason Light gives him fourteen million
dollars off what happened. It's like, okay, but time to play.
And if you're a Son Reddick and everything that happened
and you've willingly, willingly signed this contract, you'd think, I
get it's voluntary, and voluntary means I can't force you
to do anything. It's got to be on you. But

(14:54):
based on the perception and everything that's gone on, you
think you show up Todd Bowles had an incredible line.
I didn't see it. I just read it, so I
can only imagine in his kind of like relaxed tone.
I'm sure we'll see him one of these days. I mean,
that's that's a direct shot, like, what the fuck are
we doing? Of all the people like, hey, Levante, David,

(15:16):
he's doing his own thing for a couple more weeks.
Totally get Vita Vea hanging out with fam in Hawaii. Cool.
Mike Evans is in the you know, some Italian villa.
Still vacationing train, Totally cool. Hell Baker Mayfield still hanging
out in Austin with his wife and his family. I
can live with that. This guy, I just gave you

(15:37):
forty million dollars after everything that happened, and you just
don't show up again. This is Tampa. We're not in Antarctica. Here.
It's not the worst place to be. The thing I
don't understand about stuff like this. These practices, now in
twenty twenty five, have never been easier. It's basically like

(15:58):
a solid cardio workout. You're on the field at most
a couple days a week for about an hour and
a half. You are doing some film study, and if
you're a defensive end, what are you really implementing in
terms of a scheme, Like I'm either playing the run
here getting up the field. Obviously it's more complicated than that.
But this is not a strenuous time for players. It's

(16:20):
an incredible time for players, just kind of hanging chilling,
getting free breakfast, free food, hanging out with your teammates
on the field a little bit, getting a sweat, you're
working out. Would you'd be doing anyway? It is very,
very relaxed. Not a great look for the player. I mean,
what kind of embarrassing To be honest with you, If

(16:40):
I'm Jason Light, I'm not happy today, Like, come on, man,
Jake Moody who Jim Harbaugh once said death taxes and
Moody turns out the forty nine ers have not gotten
that sort of guarantees because Jake Moody's been I would say,
pretty bad for them. It came out that he has

(17:04):
changed his motion and he's going to It's like off
the tee, you're like, I'm not going to swing as hard.
I just want to hit the fairway. He has changed
his motion to try to be more accurate. I'm sorry.
I don't pretend to be a kicking or punting specialist,
but if you have to change your motion a couple

(17:24):
of years into your career when you were a quote
unquote blue chip kicker from Michigan who was drafted in
the third round, I think we have to kind of
acknowledge this is a disaster. And I am always supportive
if you take a kicker or a punter. Second round
is a little high. But i'd even say at the
end of the third round, the comp picks which the
Niners used picking the hundreds, obviously the fourth, fifth round.

(17:49):
It's not an ideal situation because we have a long
history of finding guys undrafted free agents. But if I
draft a guy in the third or the fourth round
and he's my starting kicker, if I end up drafting
Butcker or whoever the best punter is, and he's on
my team for a decade, that's a fantastic pick. I
think how often at the end of the third round
of the fourth round you take some guard linebacker that

(18:11):
never plays a snap for you. So I defend people
taking kickers or punters, but they better be the guy
and they better go on to be a starting player.
For you and get a second contract. So I would
say all signs point to this being a disaster. And
this is where people argue against taking these you know,
these kickers and these punters, because it's like the hit

(18:36):
rate on drafting guys is no different than just finding
them on the street. And how often do you see
guys that are drafted that get cut, that go somewhere
else and then play for a long time. Hell is
the Cowboys kicker who didn't even play in college, who's
a soccer player, went to the UFL. Now he's I
don't know statistically where he ended up. I don't know
my kicker breakdown readily available, but like he's a good player. Meanwhile,

(18:59):
using a third round to pick on this guy from
Michigan who buy all accounts on paper, it's gonna work.
Two years in you're like, this is a problem. One
thing where players can get some leverage is after the draft.
You know, I assumed, and again I'm guilty of just
it felt like all the wind and all the buzz,
it was like, you know, the Packers are gonna trade

(19:19):
JayR Alexander. Ever since that moment, now he's been injured
off and on, but when he went out, he's from Carolina.
They're playing the Panthers a couple of years ago, and
he just made himself the captain. He ended up getting
suspended kind of. I mean, I think, pretty funny move,
but it just felt like break up. Time to go.
And then all of a sudden, the Packers look around
their depth chart after the draft, like, we don't really

(19:40):
have any dbs, and now they offer him like a
rework contract and all reports are Jaya Alexander's gonna show
back up. So it shows you you can mend fences
by just having your team realize that we kind of
need this guy. And now Jaya Alexander has some leverage,
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Speaker 1 (22:02):
A couple quick things in college football last year, a
very controversial moment in the playoffs was that some of
the teams that won their conference were going to get buys,
and it turned out that Boise State and Arizona State
got first round bys, and people thought that was kind

(22:23):
of crazy. It's like, you're telling me that Boise State,
who I have a lot of respect for the program,
is better than like Ohio State and Texas. Come on, Georgia,
we all know that's not true. And they announced which
we saw coming, which is the nice part about this
playoffs is that you can change at a moment's notice,

(22:44):
and now they are going to just seed it one
through twelve, which it was clear when they listen. Arizona
State almost pulled a miraculous upset against Texas, but if anything,
you know, they shouldn't have been the higher seed in
the tournament, and I think that will get taken. I
still think there are gonna be some controversies with who
gets in who doesn't get in, but that's that's gonna

(23:05):
happen with any sort of playoff bracket where a committee
is picking the team. But this was an easy decision,
especially based on the information we had last year. Another
topic which has come up now twice over the last
six months is USC trying to get out of a game.

(23:26):
And last year when they tried to get out of
the LSU game, I thought it was pretty embarrassing because
the game had been set for a while. It's your
classic non conference. It was not even at sc or
at LSU, it was in Vegas. Lincoln Riley tried to
get out, Brian Kelly refused to pull out, and it
turned out USC ended up winning the game anyway, but

(23:49):
I hated that for Yese. I just thought it was
a bad look, especially for Lincoln, and it's kind of
materialized once the season started. It's like, got don't be
a pussy. Well, USC clearly wants out of this Notre
Dame rivalry, and here is something where I do kind
of support this USC goes. We're in the Big Ten
and depending on the year, we might be playing Oregon,
we might be playing Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. Who knows.

(24:12):
Like we have a set group of teams, and if
the conference has a good couple of years, our schedule
is going to be really really difficult on top of
having to travel really far even though we created this,
but hey, we are in the Big Ten. Meanwhile, Notre
Dame is the last of a dying breed. They're this
just independent team that can do whatever they want now.

(24:33):
Unlike last year, where, let's face it, their schedule was
a joke, their schedule was an embarrassment. This year, their
schedule is not bad. I think they open up in Miami. Obviously,
they play see they play Boise, they play Texas, A
and M Like. Their schedule is pretty hard. They go
on the road a couple times to like Power four teams.
Their schedule is way more difficult this year than last year.

(24:55):
But it varies year to year because it's like, oh,
they got Navy, they got Army, which I have a
lot of respect for those programs, but we saw what
they did do on last year. It was a bloodbath.
And like going on the road to Wisconsin or to Iowa,
if that's like my easy game, if I'm sc like,
I do kind of get it. And this is where
I think we need to head. So we have to
stop having these arguments like I'm just so tired of

(25:18):
reading this team wants out, this team doesn't. How about
we do this? And this is where I think it's
inevitably gonna happen. Who knows how much longer? Can we
all just be under the same umbrella? Can we all
just be under the same rules and regulations because so
many teams like the reason Lincoln Riley wants out of
the LSU game because like, why do I need to
play that game? I'm already in a real conference where

(25:40):
if I'm like Indiana and I have an easy schedule
and I win ten to eleven games, I'm gonna get
a playoff berth. So the college football to get to
the seating part, I saw a lot of people yesterday, like,
I bet there are still people that believe that Alabama
should have got into over Indiana, Like, yeah, maybe it
should have been some other But here's what I know,

(26:01):
A one loss Indiana team, just if you are in
the Big Ten, but your schedule's are no different than
like Notre Dame, that schedule was a joke. There has
to be some sort of uniformity and right now there
just isn't any. So while I did not support USC
wanting out of the LSU game, I thought that was
an awful look and just just a pansy way to
try to crawl out of playing a real opponent. This

(26:23):
is a historic rivalry, but given the changing landscape of
college football and given the Notre Dame, like, let's face it,
it makes a lot of sense for Notre Dame to
join the Big Ten in terms of football now, in
terms of money the NBC deal. Totally get it. But
I understand USC going like it benefits you more than

(26:44):
it benefits us. And this is the problem in the
world we're in with all this consolidation and conference realignment.
So don't get me wrong, I would love if Notre
Dame and USC just played together or played each other forever,
but like, based on the rules and where we're at,
like that might not be that likely anymore. So, I

(27:07):
just I think the whole thing is kind of bullshit
with some of these teams playing these random like D
one double a's. I want that to start to stop,
and can't we just all play each other? But we're
still a little far away from that. A couple other
I went to Tahoe this weekend. It was awesome. Just
I mean, I say it every year if you ever
have the opportunity to go to Lake Tahoe, if you're

(27:29):
from the Northeast, if you're from the Midwest, if you're
from the South, I cannot recommend it enough. You can
fly into Reno, or you can fly into Sack a
little longer drive, but it's got to be one of
the most beautiful places on earth. I'm pretty spoiled. I
grew up probably less than two hours away. I had
one of my best friends was his dad was from there,

(27:49):
and he did well in life and built a pad
up there. And I went there a lot growing up,
and I've gone back a lot because Maria's family goes
up a lot and a brother lives in Reno now.
Her mom a couple of years ago bought a little
townhouse right by the water, which is which is really cool,
but just a beautiful place. I want to say two
things really quick. It is remarkable what technology has done.

(28:11):
I'm sure a lot of you listening have used this app,
like most people most of my life, if my adult life.
If you need and I did this a lot when
I was in scouting, Like you need to run a car,
so you go through avis, you go through hurts, and
it can be kind of a pain in the ass.
Then they created this thing called Turo, and I remember
a couple of years ago using it for the first
time on like a guy's trip. This might have been

(28:34):
like four years ago, and I asked my buddy Brian,
I'm like, where did you get this car? It's like, Bro,
it's nap It's called Turo, and they just deliver it
to you at the airport. You're like, wait, you don't
need to wait in line or anything. No, you just
walk out and it's usually sitting there in the parking
lot and they either can manually open or like I
did this weekend with a Tesla. The dude just I
just press a button, Boom, It's We're off and running.

(28:56):
And I it's so easy to talk about technology and
drives us crazy, and I want to spend less time
on my phone. I think we all aspire to do that.
But the power of if you were ever on a
road trip and you have not used it yet, I
cannot recommend Turo enough Now. I would say, over the

(29:16):
course of the last several years, I've ridden in a
lot of Ubers or Tesla's for Uber, and whenever you
get in the back, you're like, God, this is just
a really, really clean car. So I was like, you
know what, I'm going to rent from Turo a Tesla
and I got the model why it's like the small
little suv. What's funny is like when you first I'd

(29:38):
never driven one in my life. You first show up,
it's not like any car. If you've never driven in
an electric battery powered car, you know you got keys,
you turn it on. I sat there for like ten
minutes youtubing, like, how do I fucking start this thing?
This is insane? What do I even do? And like
most people that has never driven one, the break you

(29:58):
don't need to hit the brake, You just take the
pedal when your foot comes off the pedal. It's got
a name. I forget it off the top of my head.
But it like automatically breaks and slows down or just stops.
It doesn't come to a full stop, but I can.
I was blown away by how awesome the car was,
and I think I'm gonna get one. Now. I'm just

(30:19):
gonna buy one just like have essentially be like a
golf cart version of a car to drive around town.
Here it's like, well, why didn't I have? Like why
am I paying for gas when I don't really drive
that many places. We're gonna have a gas car for
you know, her and I can use whenever I need to,
if we need to go on a road trip. But
it was an incredible experience. And the other thing is

(30:41):
not been I'm not a huge car guy, but I
have been in some fast cars over the years. Like
you know, I was in this twin charged turbo Corvette
one time, probably the most powerful car I've ever been in.
But just some other cars that haul ass. But an engine,
you know, it sucks in and then it fires out.

(31:01):
These things the moment you hit the pedal, they haul ass.
It's like you're in a little spaceship. Anyone listening to the
driver test is like cat Jo. I mean fucking They've
been around for a little while now, but it's like
you're like in a spaceship in like a video game
meets like a race car. It's crazy how fast they are.
So I had a really good time just mobbing around

(31:25):
in the Tesla around Tahoe all weekend.

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Okay, let's do a little middle Coff mail bag at
John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff, firing those dms, get your
questions answered here on the show. We got a lot.
I'm gonna try to power through this week. A ton
of questions because my inbox is loaded, we will start
with Thomas. Thanks for taking my question. I know you
do a little gambling that I do. And after my

(32:25):
Scottish Scheffler and Bryson d. Chambeau top five PGA championship
the forty five hundred, I'm just handing it right back
to DraftKings after I bet on the Minnesota Timberwolves. Thanks
for your effort, Anthony Edwards, just not quite good enough.
Do you believe the Travis Hunter ken of clips twelve
hundred receiving yards with Trevor Lawrence Bryant Thomas Junior had

(32:47):
twelve eighty two receiving yards last year. Thank you again.
I don't think you could bet on that, especially if
he's gonna kind of do this hybrid to me the
number of receiving yards. I mean, I would imagine Brian
Thomas Junior is gonna have as equal, if not better
of a season. I mean, he's the number one target,
So let's say he gets thirteen hundred yards. I would

(33:09):
say anything around nine hundred if he's playing a little
defense too, would be an awesome season for Travis Hunter.
Twelve hundred feels like a lot. If we assume Brian
Thomas Junior who is. I mean, if you did a
draft of wide receivers under like twenty five, twenty six
years old, he'd go pretty high. So I that feels high.

(33:32):
I think Brian Thomas Junior is a better wide receiver.
I'm a Saints fan and we're currently having a quarterback
competition this offseason between Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shuck. Has
any name ever looked different than it sounds as much
as Tyler Shuck? You would think it was Tyler Show.

(33:56):
I watch a lot of media covering the team and
appreciate their enthusiasm, but they all see I'm really excited
about having a real competition. Is it just me? Or
isn't that just handicapping whoever ends up starting Week one?
I mean, if you think Shuck is the guy, the
most important thing for development is snaps with the first
team offense. I can't think of any competition that ever

(34:16):
worked other than Russell Wilson, but he was also on
a stacked team. Maybe it's just me, but it seems
like splitting snaps all off season just means neither guy
will be prepared as the quarterback they're playing against. I
think you owe it to the team early on to

(34:37):
at least make it feel fair. But in what world
is this going to be a fair competition? The coach
inherited Rattler, who a lot of people were interested in
last year, and then once he played, he looked awful.
He used a high second round pick to draft this guy,
who's twenty five years old, in a lot like Michael

(34:59):
Pennock's last year old plug and play guy. Now is
he gonna be good or not? I don't know. I
would I like Michael Pennix a lot more than this guy,
but unless he's terrible in camp and you just can't
look the team in the face and make Rattler the quarterback.
I would be stunned if Tyler Shuck is in your

(35:20):
starting quarterback. Stunned. Someone sent me this. Jeff sent me
this visual of most playoff wins since twenty ten. Obviously,
the Chiefs lead the NFL with eighteen, the Patriots writing
a great decade sixteen. The Niners are third with thirteen,

(35:41):
But this illustration. The Packers, the Eagles, the Ravens, Seattle,
the Rams, all of them have Super Bowl trophies. They
all want to ring some multiple Yet the Niners with
thirteen playoff victories the last fourteen years have not Yeah,
I got close a lot a lifelong Packer fan, I

(36:06):
have two questions. Who do you feel the Packers were
gonna draft based on needs? Who do you feel the Packers?
Do you feel the Packers drafting a receiver in the
first round and third round puts guys like Watson? Dobbs
on notice. Appreciate the feedback and congrats on your marriage.
Thank you. I would say Christian Watson is a torn

(36:31):
ACL torn acl and I mean interesting player. Obviously can
fly in a couple of years ago, had like eight touchdowns.
But I don't know if Christian Watson's really I didn't
know he's from Phoenix. He is career crazy. Thing is

(36:52):
Christian Watson now granted North Dakota State. I mean he
has breakout year senior year at forty three catches. I
mean his breakout year in the NFL was his rookie
or forty one catches, seven touchdowns, twenty three played nine games,
five touchdowns, twenty eight catches. I mean just last year

(37:14):
he had twenty nine catches. I guess he tours ACL late,
so he played in fifteen games. He had twenty nine
catches last year, twenty nine. Do I put a guy
on notice that it's twenty nine catches. I think they
draft Golden in the first round because they're like, these
guys just aren't good enough, and one guy's got torn ACL.
So I think they draft Golden because they think he's

(37:36):
gonna play and start immediately. If you would bet on
any sport non football, to overtake all other sports in
popularity revenue, what would it be. I saw your comment
about how hockey only being popular in cold regions. I disagree.
Being from Vegas, the Knights have loved them or hate them,

(37:59):
added to the sport. They're more popular than the Raiders
in Vegas. Literally everyone is a diehard Knights fan. Look
at the remaining playoff teams in hockey, it's Florida, Dallas,
Carolina in Vegas. Uh in Vegas last round hockey easily
is the most in I'm not denying I watched the
Carolina Florida game last night or some of it with

(38:23):
the with the t Wolves game. I'm not denying that
Florida Panthers aren't popular in like the Miami area or
the Vegas isn't really popular or when the LA Kings
were good, they didn't have a big I'm not talking
about like local fan bases. I'm talking about the amount
of people playing the sport. Are there more people in Vegas,
more high school and junior high kids playing hockey or football?

(38:48):
I think we all know the answer to that. Are
there more people in the Miami Fort Lauderdale area playing hockey?
Carolina Panthers, I would imagine they beat car or excuse me,
the Florida Panthers are going to be Carolina and they're
going to the the Stanley Cup Finals. They won it
last year and they are going to be favored. I

(39:09):
would have guess they're gonna play Edmonton. They're gonna be
favored to win it again. There's a decent chance they
go back to back. The Miami Dolphins. Fuck if they
won a playoff game in like twenty years yet, what's
more popular? I'm not talking about NHL teams like doing well.
If you're a professional team non football, baseball, basketball, or

(39:31):
hockey and your team is awesome, guess what's gonna happen.
People are gonna give a shit. People are going to
care if your team sucks in those sports, Guess what's
gonna happen. People aren't gonna care as much. So I
think you would say hockey is the most niche out
of the those three. When they're good, you don't just

(39:54):
need to be in Montreal or Detroit. Yes, if if
they were in Phoenix and they will win the NHL
the Stanley Cup. There's not team here anymore, but if
there was, it'd be packed. My point was more about
the youth playing it. That creates a fan, right. Most
of us have played some form of basketball, baseball, or
football when we're kids, and that's easier to pay attention

(40:17):
as we get older. It's it's easy for me to like,
I don't watch nearly as much baseball as I used to,
but when the playoffs start, I can dial in and
guess what. Having haven't played baseball since Little League, I
know all the fucking rules you know basketball like I
can watch a basketball game. Haven't played organized basketball and

(40:38):
actually was in a pickup league when I was in
Philly with uh my buddy Mike Bradway works for Beach Now.
I was always a pretty terrible pick up player because
I'm not I don't have a great jump shot, and
I can't drive so I shoot a lot of shots
and I missed. But my point is, like it's easy
to fall basketball. We all kind of know the rules,
you know. That's my point. It's not about like the

(40:59):
Vegas Night aren't a big deal. What is a bigger deal?
The Raiders are, the Knights, the Raiders are. It's the NFL. Yeah,
in Vegas on a given night, like when they're playing,
a lot of people are they're watching. If the Raiders
were half as good as the Knights, it wouldn't even
be close. Who's a bigger Who's a bigger name in Vegas?

(41:21):
Pete Carroll or the dude coaching the Knights. I think
we know the answer to that. I'm not even trying
to talk about hockey. Yeah, I like hockey, but I
think you kind of miss my point. I don't know
the answer. I mean, I don't think. I think they
all do well in their own little world. The thing

(41:42):
with hockey. When I was at this barstool gambling thing
a couple of weeks ago at the Draftking Sportsbook, I
was talking to Commodore, My Commodore, who's been on the
show before, who's one of the greatest interviews of all time.
If you're new to the show, you missed it. But
he's a beauty played in the NHL for a long
time and we were watching it was like Nick Celtics
and there was an NHL playoff game going and I said,

(42:04):
you know what's crazy is there are probably eight guys,
eight out of the ten guys in the NBA game
on the floor that make double the highest paid guy
in the NHL game. I'm like, what does the highest
paid NHL player make on the ice right now? And
he's like, I don't know, like twelve fourteen million dollars,
Like they don't make nearly as much. So it's is
based on revenue, and a huge part of revenue is

(42:28):
like the popularity of the television deals. Question for the
back more of a statement why NFL team should never
allow flag football. I'm an Indian native and a Pacer fan.
Life is great right now, but hadn't paid attention to
the NBA for nearly a decade because of how miserable
being a Pacer fan have been. It all went to
shit when Paul George snapped his leg in a Team

(42:49):
USA scrimmage. Instantly, thirty years of coming up just short
of Michael or Lebron now became a life of complete irrelevance.
It was a sole moment that has taken over a
decade and three miraculous comebacks to begin to heal that
shit storm that Team USA cost. I hate everything about

(43:10):
this AnyWho go Colts and Pacers. I do think the
Paul George injury was when he shattered his leg on
the stanchion. People play in teamuous in basketball games all
the time and don't get injured, so I that was
even relative to NBA injuries. I mean, one of the

(43:31):
worst injuries we've ever seen. His leg shattered. He had
a compound fracture that canceled the game. I think the
game was in Vegas. To me, it's way more dangerous
in flag football than the Paul George situation. Didn't they
officially move the stanchion back a little farther because of
that incident, if I remember correctly. But I hear you,
I mean, I I have no problem if I'm an

(43:53):
NBA team letting. Honestly, you don't let anybody in the NBA.
If Jason Tatum or Anthony Davis or Lebron James they
want to play in Tmosa, they playing TSA and you
just say good luck. But in football, to me, it's
gonna be a little different. I'm gonna let who knows.
I mean, we're four years away, but I'm gonna let

(44:14):
Justin Jefferson play in flag football. A lot of you
guys got to kick out of the Dominican Ronnie Lott,
which it just kind of came to me mid sentence.
But I do think there's some validity to I don't
know any of these guys he's playing against, it is
by far gonna be the biggest moment in their flag
football career as a defensive back going up against these

(44:36):
star NFL wide receivers. I'm I'm gonna let Ashton Genty
hit the open field against Spain like no no chance
question for the bag. One concern I see for the
ANIL and transfer portal is the development of players going
in the NFL. If there's a severe decline in talent

(45:00):
of players going from college to pro, do you see
the NFL intervening on some level. Since the NCAA can't
do shit and has no balls to put any type
of structure of any kind, I think the only way
they would get involved is if the product fell off
a Cliff and they were gonna make less money. Then

(45:21):
the owners would get you know, Washington truly involved. Every
once in a while you see a tweet from a
senator like I think it's time for a hearing. It's like,
shut up. But if you cost them money, which if
you cost owners money, you cost some players money, they're
gonna be problems. And I'll promise you Washington would immediately

(45:42):
get involved. And I do think like no one at
this point in time worth their salt is against any
player getting paid. Honestly, ninety percent of people don't really
give a shit. But I saw Elko to death. It's
like the SEC offseason meetings going on. Was can you
imagine just like changing the rules in the middle of

(46:04):
a season. He's like just telling like Howie Roseman, Hey,
the salary cap is actually different now in like October.
He'd be like, what it is very It's just not
a buttoned up operation. And I'm all for like breaking
rules like welcome to business, but there has to be

(46:28):
some structure in which you get to color outside of
the lines. Like no one's there is no structure in anything.
They're just it's just ruleless. And I don't know, I
get we don't. We have a small sample size, but
I actually think it impacts human beings. Most of these
guys are not gonna go to the NFL. Most of

(46:48):
them are never gonna play a snap in the National
Football League. A small percentage of college football players Division
one power for college football players play for the eg
The Cowboys, the Niners, the Packer Like they never played
in the NFL. Most of them go on to normal
to society like you and me. Yet I remember last
year I played golf with this guy and we were

(47:10):
talking football and then by like the seventh hole, he's like, yeah,
I was the backup running back for mid two thousands
for the USC. I was in the room with Lendale
and Reggie White. Reggie still my good buddy today, Matt Lioner,
we do a bunch of stuff together, and I was
like that relationship he has for his five years at USC.

(47:32):
That individual now not in a million years. He was
a huge recruit. I remember, I forget his name, but
he was like a role player kickoff return. You know,
he's like the four string running back who dressed on
game day and played a little and he has friends
for life in this group and his experience like he
won multiple national titles and changed his life set him
up once he got in the real world. That individual,

(47:56):
that four or five star recruit that went to Alabama,
that went to USC, that went to Oregon, he would
have transferred within a year or two and potentially when
he looked back at four or five years, been at
like three different schools. He was never gonna play in
the NFL, no matter what. But is he better off? Like, yeah,
I played, ended up playing at Boise State and then
utep I started at USC, or the crew of guys

(48:17):
that were like, yeah, I just played my whole career
at Oregon. Was never a starter, but some of my
friends for life. These guys are going to be in
my wedding. It's just an incredible experience like that part
of it. And I don't blame a guy. If I
was a backup and I was nineteen years old, I'd
be like, hey, Boise just called, they'll give me two
under grand I'll be there, starting running back or starting linebacker. Well,

(48:40):
then what if you get there, because football, at the
end of the day, like the paths fucking come on.
The chin straps, get buckled, and you practice and you
got to win a job, right, no matter what star
you are, no matter even how much money I give you,
If you can't get it done, you are not going
to play at the sport, in the NFL or college.
I can sign a huge free agent. If Milton Williams,

(49:03):
I'm just using this an example. I like the guy.
I'm not trying to He's the first guy that popped
in my head. The Patriots gave him all that money.
If Milton Williams, for whatever reasons, doesn't transition to their
scheme and doesn't play well and sucks, he will not play, period,
point blank, end of story. He'll get paid, but he
won't play. And like that's part of the sport. So yeah,

(49:29):
I mean, I think it has a lot more impacts
of like, there just needs to be some structure. Unlimited
transfer portal feels kind of ridiculous, honestly, what isn't The
first thing is like, hey, if your coach leaves, he
either takes a job or gets fired, you should be
able to transfer. Everyone's cool with that. Now, it's like

(49:50):
if coach leaves, stays, doesn't go, whatever, you can transfer
whenever you feel like it. My question is, what is
your ranking of offensive minds in the NFL. I always
hear all these names of hotshot coordinators, coach wizards who
come from one good coaching tree. In our top five
or top ten. I probably heard fifteen to twenty guys

(50:12):
be called top ten, which obviously cannot be true. Could
you give me a ranking of your top ten offensive
minds in the league. Well, I think there's just a
clear like top four or five guys. I mean Andy
Reid is the king of the castle, just an offensive genius,
been doing it for decades on decades. I think then
it's kind of the Shanahan crew, McVeigh, Kyle, you know, Lafloor, O'Connell,

(50:42):
kind of that group on a yearly basis. You could
change the ordering. You know, two years ago, Kyle would
have been first out of that group. Right now it's
O'Connell or McVeigh. I think Lafour is pretty good. I mean,
she started winning games with Malik Willis, O'Connell got Sam
Darnold to throw thirty five touchdowns. They're all really good.

(51:06):
I think that crew of guys, and they've all been
head coaches and done it. The best offensive coordinator the
last couple of years that wasn't a head coach I
think was clearly Ben Johnson, who was unreal. Now can
he do that? Can he be the same level offensive
coordinator as the head coach? I posted on my Instagram.
But there was a clip. You know, the Bears voted

(51:27):
against the tush push right, they wanted to ban it,
And then he was asked about it, why you wanted
to ban it? And he gave this answer about, like,
I like explosive plays. I don't want that play out.
It's like Ben, he's a great offensive coordinator and he
was fucking awesome in Detroit. His answer was a joke.

(51:49):
Just say, listen, I was told to vote against it.
It's not explosively, it's a short yardage goal line play.
What were you talking about? People like middle God, if
you just hate the Bears, I do not. I think
their roster's excellent. I think they had a great offseason.
I think Ben Johnson easily the best offensive coordinator in
the league the last couple of years. You could even

(52:11):
argue head coach too, you're like, you know, against McVeigh,
Kyle and all those guys. But that answer was a joke.
I mean, it was embarrassing. It had Brandon Staley vibes.
I don't blame him for having to answer because Caleb
doesn't want to talk about his dad shitting on the
organization Like that's not Ben Johnson had nothing to do
with that, and he had to answer for it. Kind
of weird spot, even though his answer was kind of funny.

(52:31):
But the toast push, It's like, bro, it's not an
explosive play. It's fourth and one at the fifty yard line,
trying to get a first down. You know what you're saying.
You're trying to be like, just say hey, Kevin Warren one,
I was told by the ownership to vote against it
or just say no comment, to say yeah, I just
I don't really want to talk about that. I thought
his answer was pretty cheesy. Uh hey, man, love the pod.

(52:55):
What's your take on the Saints. I'm twenty six, been
fans and so forth. I fell in love with the Kellers.
I hate Mickey Looms how he kicks the can down
the road and mortgages the future year after year and
the only thing saving us is raising the rising cap.
I think this new era of Saints football under Kellen
Moore could be great. Our quarterback coach is the dad

(53:15):
of a college quarterback thoughts, Well, you know, Doug nuss
Meyer actually was drafted by you guys. I think back
in the nineties. He can sling it lefty from Ido. Yeah.
I mean, I like, I don't know Kellen, but I
like Doug Nussmeyer a lot. Root for Kellen. I've watched
him since a player at Boise State. I would be

(53:37):
excited if I were you guys. I do think this
season could be pretty ugly. I do think this season
could just be weird, especially if Tyler Shuck is your
starting quarterback. Maybe I'm proven wrong. Maybe it just Tyler
Shuck is like Dak Prescott in twenty sixteen, and he's
just solid and your team solid around him. Because I
actually do think you have some solid players. Your offensive

(53:59):
lines be pretty good. You definitely have some good players
on defense. You know, if everyone's healthy. On offense, You've
got Kamara tight end. I forget the name solid. You
got twenty two who can you got injured late in
the season, but he can fly. Sheen I think his
name is Chris Lovey is a good player. I mean,
you've got some pieces, but I don't know about Tyler Shuck.

(54:22):
I'm a Lions fan, and I think losing both coordinators
isn't that positive. Their heads got too big and interfered
with our playoff game. So glad the Bears are the
team that fell for it. Can't wait to beat his
ass twice a year. In two years, both Glenn and
Johnson will be begging Dan for their jobs back. Uh.

(54:48):
I think a couple of things can be true. I
get why you're mad about the playoff situation. Losing to
the Commanders. You guys got to buy so it's like,
what were they really gonna do over the bye? Your
team on defense was depleted? So, like Aaron Glenn, I

(55:09):
do think those guys tried really hard to win that game.
I don't think they just mailed it in. I really don't.
And the Chicago Bears would have sold their left nut
to get Ben Johnson. Is it gonna work out? I
have no clue. You would say based on history, probably not,
but one million percent they had to hire. Now, Aaron Glenn,

(55:30):
the Jets I not an easy place to win, especially
if justin fields your quarterback could be tough. But I
can't hate on Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn. I like
them both. I just think it's gonna be It's gonna
be there. I mean, there's a lot of pressure on Ben,
who a couple of years ago was like scared to
become a head coach. Aaron Glenn's wanted to become a

(55:52):
head coach for a while. I think Aaron Glenn is
the right. I don't think he even mailed it in
Love the Show Your Football. Now, that's great, But questioning
your sense of humor. When Ben Johnson says it's come
to my attention, he's obviously talking tongue in cheek. He
lives in Chicago, he coaches the Bears. Therefore, everyone and
his dog knows. The guy has heard all about Caleb

(56:13):
Williams and Seth Wickersham. He is probably sick of it already.
That's why it's comes to my attention. Is actually pretty funny.
Ben Johnson has a sense of humor. Cut it some slack,
don't be so serious. All the time I was joking,
bro it was. I was being tongue in cheek with
my reaction to it. Just the way he said it.
He talks. He's pretty cheesy when he speaks, like he

(56:37):
just is like when you watch some of these guys,
I would say that Ben Johnson when he speaks, isn't
the most confident guy up there? Right. You watch Sean McVay,
you watch you know the Tom you watch these guys
have been doing it for a while. You watch Dan Camp,
you watch Aaron Glenn. Like I would say, Ben Johnson
is I don't want to say uncomfortable, but it's come
to my attention the whole Bears thing, like I put

(57:00):
this more on Caleb. It's like, Bro, you got to
answer these questions anyway. You shit on the Bears before
it came out. Who cares eighteen months ago putting your
coach out there to take all these bow and arrow
these arrows for you when it's like he had nothing
to do with it. I'm not that serious all the time.
It was a fucking joke, Bro, you need to relax.
I'm sorry your team always sucks. That was a joke

(57:23):
as well. I'm from Philly, but your team always does
kind of suck. I'm from Philly and lived in the
Bar area, so we have something in common and makes
your podcast easy relate to. My question is after the draft,
is there a player you think landed in a great
situation that if he had gone somewhere else, his chances
would not be as high. Purty is a great example

(57:45):
of this that I had heard you mentioned. Who is
that guy this year? Uh, that's a good question. I
would say, I have to think about that. I would

(58:08):
say I would say this about Travis Hunter just because
of his situation. It's probably easier to go to the Jags,
just a little less going on there than if he
had gone to the Browns. He goes to the Jags
with an with Liam Cohen, this Steve Jobs Junior, the GM.

(58:31):
It's just kind of an just an ease in period,
and you know the franchise, there's not this like microscope
over it. He would have gone to the Browns with
the with the quarterback situation, it just it would have
been messy. I actually think it worked out for him
to just kind of because this year is gonna be
a feeling out process. The more and more I think

(58:52):
about it, I think it's pretty fucking insane if he
actually thinks not the heat I unders staying why he
thinks is he's twenty twenty one years old. If they're
actually going to attempt to have him played both ways.
I was thinking about this the other day if I
was like, he's gonna be a starting receiver and he
plays some at dB. If he ever came in on

(59:16):
dB at dB, some of these teams are gonna call, like,
have you seen him? He weigs one hundred and eighty
five pounds. You're gonna like pull the tackle out to
get him. You're gonna have you know, a blocking tight
end or some version of your why fullback go out
and try to hit the guy. The teams are gonnattack him.
And then if you're a wide receiver like I'm Ceedee Lamb,

(59:37):
I'm justin Jefferson, I'm Jamar Chase. I do this for
a living. You're gonna put this guy off the bench,
come out and try to cover me on second and
third and long. Godspeed, homie. It's just back to the Bears.
Fans are so sensitive, they really are. They're just I
get so many dms of like middle God. If you
hate the Bears, like bro, I don't have it. I

(01:00:00):
hate the Lakers. It's honestly the only team that I hate.
I have nothing against the Bears. Honestly, I watched way
too much of the Bears last year when they were awful.
It was like a beautiful train wreck. But there's just
this sensitivity and I get it. Like when I lived
in the Bay Area, there was a very there was
a lot of sensitivity around like Raider fans and anytime

(01:00:21):
that you kind of get shunned in the conversation and
people talk about you, it can scar you as a fan.
And I get it, But I honestly have no personal
animosity or really care, Like it'd be cool if you
guys are good, have everay been to the city? Hurt
us great? Take a chill pill, like everything's gonna be okay.

(01:00:46):
Why doesn't the NBA have a similar to the NFL
Honors where they hold a big event to announce Player
of the Year awards instead of just unceremoniously announcing the
awards individually throughout the playoffs. It feels like a misopportunity
to make a lot of money and PoTA actually boost
viewership well most you know, when the NFL does it,
they do it the night before the two nights Friday

(01:01:08):
Night and Super Bowl Sunday. Most of the guys and
the coaches who win those awards can attend the event,
you know, in basketball, as they announce in the playoffs,
a lot of the guys are playing the MVP, the
six man, the Defensive Player of the Year, the All
NBA teams. It'd be a little more complicated. I guess

(01:01:32):
maybe you could do it during the NBA Finals. I
don't know, it's I don't think it's apples to apples.
I hear what you're saying, but I don't know if
it quite works the same. You know, think about like
the NFL, their Hall of Fame is a really big deal.

(01:01:55):
Like the week to make the Hall of Fame. They
have a Hall of Fame game, which is awful, but
it's just the broadcast is like NBC, they take it
really really seriously. You know, the NBA, It's just it's
that level of an event. It's just it's not the same. Plus,
they don't need like the NFL needs inventory. You only

(01:02:16):
play so many games, so some of these events are
a really, really big deal. I love Tyler Warren watching
him dominate in college with something else. He reminded me

(01:02:39):
of Gronk type player with the size, blocking in hands,
and versatility playing running back in quarterback. What do you
think of his impact will be for the Colts? Specifically,
will he help Richardson? I would say his ball skills
are beyond elite, so you throw it in his vicinity.

(01:03:00):
He has pretty special I would say spatial awareness, ability
to track the football in the air, on top of
him being massive like Gronkowski, which he's gonna be taller
than anyone covering him and if you put it up high,
which Anthony Richarson will sold Daniel Jones. He can make
plays on the ball and toughness is great. I think

(01:03:22):
the one knock on him where people thought that he
was you know, in like a normal draft year, is
he like really, he was clearly one of the better
players in this draft. Now this draft was not viewed
as great. You know, he's not I would call he's
not the most fluid athlete in space. That's why the
Bears took the dude from Michigan who's much more I

(01:03:44):
would say, just in terms of like change of direction
and fluidity making a guy miss, and just just fluidity
to his movement. You know, Tyler Warren. I don't want
to call him stiff, but in part of it, he's
just I mean, Loveland's actually pretty big too. But yeah,
I think he's gonna be a good player. I thought

(01:04:07):
about this. I don't know if it was yesterday, maybe
a couple of days ago, because I saw something on
TV that, like, think about the Colts basically have two
guys competing for their career in Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.
If Daniel Jones doesn't win the job, he's gonna be
a backup for the rest of his career. If anything,

(01:04:29):
Richard doesn't win the job, like his starting career with
the Colts doesn't mean he won't start again because Daniel
Jones can get injured, but he's done. And I was
watching Schrager was on McAfee today and he's like maybe
Pat said this, and he's right. The locker room's gonna
know before it ever gets announced, like they'll just know.

(01:04:50):
But like it's a true like one of these guys
is gonna win the job. And it's clearly like Anthony Richardson,
you're not getting the benefit of doubt with your OW
with your GM and your coach, and Dan Jones really
has nothing to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
You know, it's not the ideal spot for Tyler Warren
to go. It's not exactly quarterback friendly, like you put
Tyler Warren on the Chiefs if you told me Tyler Warren,
like the Colts have a rough year because the quarterback play,
and Tyler Warren doesn't have a very productive year, it
might not be his fault if you put Tyler Warren
on the Chiefs or the Bills like i'd expect like
sixty five seventy catches. Do you think these highly competitive

(01:05:32):
billionaire owners would send in mercenaries at the Olympics from
random countries to target and injure division rival star players.
Sounds wild, but Jerry Jones paying some poor athlete from
Russia two hundred k to take out the knees of
aj Brown seems believable, considering the money and reputation on

(01:05:53):
the line. For as crazy and believable as most stories
would potentially be when it came to the NFL, Like,
you could give me some hypothetical and it could be
the most far out thing you've ever said, and it'd
be pretty easy to kind of come to grips like, yeah,

(01:06:14):
I can see that happening. I think this is I
see what you're saying. If you got kind of think
you get a kick out of league, so you would
be risking your franchise. Now again, it's like sometimes I
have buddies in business. It's like they could force us
to sell. Well, if like your business is worth a
lot of money, yeah, it sucks to have to sell

(01:06:35):
your business, but if you're selling it for millions of dollars,
it's not like they're just seizing your assets. So even
if they force an owner to say sell, I mean, hell,
Donald Sterling got two billion dollars, but I think it
would be immediate expulsion from the league. I also think,
for as cutthroat as some of these guys are, that

(01:06:58):
feels pretty egregious. The other thing is, how would you
let's say you're the owner in this situation and you
want to take out a division rivals wide receiver. How
do I get in contact with the Ronnie Lot of Spain?
And how can I trust that he won't say a word.

(01:07:19):
It's always my issue, like and I listen. I'm a
conspiracy theory guy. I believe or think things are believable.
But also sometimes it's like, wouldn't enough people have information
that some of this stuff would leak out? I'm like, well,
they'll kill you, They will kill you and your family

(01:07:40):
will it? Maybe maybe they will, I don't know. I
think it'd be hard to get to a circle of
trust even if you because to me, if you would
be willing to do this, I mean it would be
the most scumbag move in the history of moves. How
would you feel comfortable that it would never get out?
Because if it ever got out, I think it would

(01:08:00):
be hard to ever because ultimately, like kill the head,
the body will die. The Saints bounty, like welcome to
the football. It's like, wait, he's got a hit, hurt ankle,
go after the ankle. It's like part of sports.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
You could argue they crossed the line. I think that
was a little overblown. But if you paid some dude
from like Russia to take out your rival's player, be
a tough look if you got caught. Question for the back,

(01:08:38):
what's the ceiling for Drake Man and the Patriots? I mean,
I think he's really talented and vrabel is a good coach,
But are we sure McDaniels is the OC for him?
In a skill set? They always wanted a mobile quarterback.
You know. Part of what they tried to get with
Jimmy Garoppolo in twenty fourteen was a guy that had

(01:08:58):
just more This is a much better foot athlete that
you could get on the move like that just wasn't
part of Tom's game the last ten plus years. I mean,
he never was a great athlete relative to NFL standards.
But you see some clips of Tom and like, oh six,
like he could move around much better. He was not
doing any of that from like fourteen fifteen on right.

(01:09:20):
He was true pocket quarterback. If he had the move,
he's hitting the ground. So I think they aspired to
get that and they never did well. Part of aspiring
to do that, I bet Josh was like, well, I
got a bunch of plays that I can run with him.
So I don't know. I do think that marriage something
to keep an eye on. I think a lot of

(01:09:41):
people around the Patriots felt like he wanted a couple
guys couldn't get them, wanted Tommy Reese. He couldn't get
them from Cleveland obviously, Arthur Smith not available. Was this
forced on him by Craft because they've never worked together?
You know, just is was it his first choice? Was
it one of those like you know, it's one of

(01:10:02):
those things that either with a parent or a boss
like is this really worth fighting? This guy's good? But
would he be my first choice? Is gonna be weird.
Josh is desperate to get back involved. Crafts love Josh Josh,
and in fairness, Josh is incredible offensive coordinator for them.
But you know, I don't want to compare. I think

(01:10:26):
Herbert has a better arm, but just in terms of
what kind of that type skill set, I wouldn't call
him like Josh Allen running, but he definitely can move
and run. He's got an above average arm, so I
think he'd be like a hybrid quarterback. But he's like
the modern day version of what pocket quarterbacks are because

(01:10:48):
they don't exist anymore. So he is just the modern
day quarterback. Six', four can, move big. Arm is he good?
ENOUGH i don't. KNOW i Mean Nick saban a couple
years ago wanted to give him a couple million dollars
to transfer At North caroline and he turned it. Down
hard to judge him last year Like caleb because it
was such a shit. Show, okay last. Question we'd love

(01:11:10):
to hear your answer on this THAT i sometimes stay
up at night thinking about who is the biggest what
if THROUGHOUT nfl. History WHAT i mean by that is
who had a terrible injury or got, drafted, traded to
a career destroying franchise that you think would have Been
hall Of fame player, OTHERWISE i appreciate your. Time, well

(01:11:33):
it's a good. QUESTION i would say that this guy's
in The hall Of. Fame But Terrell davis's career was
basically three seasons, long and as a rookie in the
sixth round he had eleven hundred yards seven. Touchdowns for
the next three seasons and they win Two Super. Bowls
he has fifteen hundred, yards seventeen hundred, yards two thousand,

(01:11:56):
yards thirteen, touchdowns fifteen, touchdowns twenty one. Touchdowns he also
could catch forty nine, catches thirty six, catches forty two,
catches twenty five. Catches usually at running, back you're not
gonna play fifteen. Years but let's just say he stays
healthy for. EIGHT i, mean do we look at him
LIKE i don't, Know Adrian. Peterson does he go on

(01:12:17):
to be one of the best running backs in the history?
LEAGUE i mean he. Was he had probably one of
the better three, game three year stretches IN nfl. History
so what was? That where's touchdowns twenty one, Thirteen so
that's forty thirty four forty four almost fifty touchdowns through three.

(01:12:41):
YEARS i, mean he's a. Monster SO i would say
the other one would Be Kurt. Warner this is a,
positive but what If Trent green doesn't get, Injured like
If Trent green doesn't get injured And Kurt warner he
never gets to. Play Kurt warns was in The hall Of,

(01:13:03):
fame won AN, mvp he won A Super, bowl went
to Another Super? Bowl does that ever? Happen So i'm
actually kind of thinking on the inverse Of Trent green's
injury changed this dude that was bagging groceries, life who
would then go on to have periods where he's like
one of the best quarterbacks in the. League so what

(01:13:26):
If Trent green doesn't tear his tear his? KNEE i
think TOWARDS acl in nineteen ninety, nine think about. This
Kurt warner ninety Four Green Bay packers undrafted free. Agent
from ninety five to ninety, seven he played for The Iowa.

(01:13:48):
Barnstormers within a couple of, years he won two. MVPs
i forget he won in two thousand and, one the
year they Lost Greatest show On turf to The New England.
Patriots you could argue that's one of the. Craziest this,
dude undrafted free AGENT ufl guy OR afl, Guy Arena,
league all of a, sudden starting quarterback Who i'm pretty

(01:14:11):
sure they had paid a lot of money to tears his.
Knee Kurt. Warner dick For, Meal kurt, warners our, quarterback
and we will win With Kurt. WARNER i forget the
exact however he set up his, statement but basically, said
we're gonna win With Kurt, warner and he. Did fuck
won The Super. Bowl so and then For meal cried

(01:14:31):
as he always did like some of The bears. Fans,
audios have a great. Day the volume

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