3 & Out - Mike McCarthy won't coach, Super Bowl ad costs, Joe Schoen and the Giants - 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we
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well be zero. Wherever you live probably cold as well.
So hopefully everyone's having a warm day, not freezing your
you know what off, smile on your face. Trucking through
twenty twenty five and today we will talk a little football.
Mike McCarthy tells the Saints or do the Saints tell him, No, Mike,

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We're not gonna hire you. So Mike McCarthy will not
coach this year. I think the question now is is
Mike McCarthy ever gonna coach in the NFL again? Some
other stuff going wrong around football from Fox getting eight
million dollars an ad for the Super Bowl. Greg Olsen
had some comments the Giants. Is Brian Schottenheimer already on
the hot seat. He hasn't even cooked, He hasn't even
had the job for a week, and it feels like, guys,

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it's gonna be a tough sledding for the man. We
also will have a Middlecoff mail bag today at John Middlecoff.
At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those d ms,
and I think there will be no Fugazi Friday podcast tomorrow.
We're just gonna take a little bit of a breather
for a couple of days. Obviously, you know the football world,
we've been grinding, you know, playoffs and college football playoffs,

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and we basically do a podcast, you know, six to
seven days a week lately. So just wanted to give
everybody just a couple of days to just decompress. Myself included.
I feel like I just need it. I need a breather.
Let my brain, which there's not much capacity in there,
just just have a moment. So this, you know, Pro
Bowl week, which is pretty irrelevant, thought would be a

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last night that Mike McCarthy had removed himself from the

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Saints AKA. He knew he wasn't going to get the
job and said, I'm gonna sit this year out. And
do you know what's crazy about Mike is And I
would say this about any football coach is the power
of perception. And once perception becomes your reality, it is
really really hard to shake that. And the NFL has

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a lot of parallels like with high school in terms
of the drama and how everyone kind of knows each other,
everyone talks, and things make the rounds very very quickly.
This is not like some gigantic city where one guy
on one side of the city has no clue what's
going on seven blocks away. Everyone in the NFL, whether

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they actually know the truth or not, believes they have
a pretty good idea of what's going on. I can
text probably three or four gms or a ton of
college scouting directors with different takes going on around the NFL,
and all of them would give me their angle, their opinion,
which would be based on what they're hearing. And that's
the way the NFL works. Like why is Bill Belichick

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last year get shut out with Atlanta and this year
it looked pretty clear like, yeah, teams aren't going to
be that interested because this negative perception surrounding him that
he's just a big curmudgeon and a power hunger guy. Now,
in fairness, he went to college partly because he loves
having power and he gets to be the boss, So
he kind of validated what everyone thought. Look at Cliff
Kingsbury a couple years ago, and I feel like I'm

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always beaten up on Cliff. I do respect the hell
out of Cliff in terms of work ethic for how
much player like him and how much people in the
league like him. But you know, from a coaching standpoint,
I saw him be a head coach and it wasn't
really his cup of tea, just like it's like a
lot of guys could be over there, Dennis Allen, excellent
defensive coordinator, awful head coach, Eva Flus no business being

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a head coach, good defensive coach. Robert sala I would
put in that bucket as well. And We've talked about
this forever. There's nothing wrong with being a number two
in the NFL. It pays a lot. I mean, on
the low end, you're a W two employee making like
two million dollars, and if you get enough buzz, if
you get enough momentum, you can make like four and
a half five million dollars. I mean Liam Cohen five

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years ago was an assistant wide receiver coach, an assistant
wide receiver coach. It'd be like, yeah, I'm an assistant
assistant sales manager that just does some administrative work. And
then five years later it's like, yeah, I'm the CEO.
I was making a seventy grand Now I make three
million dollars. That's Liam Cohen a couple of years ago
was probably making under one hundred thousand dollars and now

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he's making eleven twelve million dollars. This league is crazy.
It's wild. But Mike McCarthy, the perception and part of
it is like Liam Collins is bright, offensive mind, super
sharp guy, and listen, I'm not trying to overreact to
a press conference. But yeah, also kind of weird guy,
kind of a weird cat. But you look at Mike McCarthy,
he's pretty good at offense, Like he understands how to

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coach the quarterbacks. It's like, well, he coach Aaron Rodgers
and then I watched some coach Dak and Cooper Rush.
How many games over the last three years did he win?
With Cooper Rush, with that guy making plays, I promise
you Cooper Rush probably not that good. And it's when
I saw that he's out of the league. Like, I
don't know if he's ever getting back in as a
head coach. I do think he has a lot of

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value as an offensive coordinator, but this perception around him,
and let's face that, listen, I'm someone my weight can fluctuate.
Right now, I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm not as
fat as I was, not as skinny as I would
like to be. But he's kind of viewed as like
this jolly fat guy and this kind of just football guy,
not super bright. Like I watched my McCarthy. I think
he knows what he I watch a lot of coaches

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in the NFL that are completely over his head that
is not Mike, and he has got this I would
say situation around him now where I think it's gonna
be really hard to shake. And if I was a
betting man, I don't think he's ever going to be
a head coach in the NFL. Again, I really don't. Now,
you can say time sometimes helps you gain momentum, especially

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in the business of football. Head coach, you step away.
I saw Mike do that, and then he got the
Cowboys job, and it turned out he was immediately lying
like he had made up that he had watched all
members of the Cowboys tapes. And you watch some of
these guys, like I think being fat and chubby hurts them.
Because Cliff Kingsbury looks really, really good, also good at
coaching quarterbacks. Has never proven that he can be a

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head coach like Mike now is a long resume. It's like, well,
he failed in Dallas. He went three straight years winning
twelve games. He you know, he won a playoff game.
Now he lost a couple of home playoff games. I agree,
a lot of people lose a lot of playoff games.
When's the last time Mike Tomlin won a playoff game?
You know? John Harbaugh lost of the fucking Bills this year,
Like it happens. Playoff games are hard. But I believe

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and if I was Mike McCarthy and he still wanted
to coach, because I do believe he he views himself
and rightfully so like I can be a head coach
in the NFL. Do you know what I would do?
There are so many Big ten and SEC teams who
would die to have Mike McCarthy be their offensive coordinator.
I would take what Ryan Day did with Chip Kelly.

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We will pay you two and a half three million dollars.
You do not need to recruit. We are not asking
you to go sit in people's living rooms, break bread
with people's parents and grandparents. You are not going to
hit the high school circuit. We want you to do
one thing, and one thing only. Coach offense, specifically or
quarterbacks and score points. I'm watching Wisconsin, an area where

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he used to live for a long time. That offense
is a joke. If I was Luke Fickle, the first
phone call I would have made when I saw that
headline is, Hey, Mike, you want to be my offensive coordinator?
All you got to do coach ball because like Belichick
try to change the perception that he's not just grumpy
and he's not super angry, and it's true, like he's not,

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but when he coaches, like that's that's who he is.
Our personalities, once we get to a certain point in life,
are kind of our personalities. I think you see it,
like I don't have kids yet, but my brother has
two young boys, one just turn five, the others two, Like,
I think you kind of get a feel for their personality.
And whenever I'm around like my parents or my mom
or you know, older people, they say, like you can

(09:27):
kind of tell early the way they're gonna be, if
they're stubborn, if they're super happy, if they're angry, Like
you get a vibe for that, And I think that's
no different than our personalities as older human beings. Like
Belichick isn't just going to be a completely different guy
at North Carolina. He has different tasks, like he has
to recruit now and talk to high school coaches, which
before he did not. But like his personality in season,

(09:50):
like don't expect him to get in front of a
mic week four when he's playing Florida State and give
incredible answers about stuff that he wouldn't do in the en.
It's probably not gonna change. And Mike's look like he's
never gonna be some skinny looking sexy guy. But like, listen,
I feel like I have to defend him. Is like,
he's not that bad and you could do way worse,

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but he's gonna have to try to do a little
reboot here, and to me, I would be all over
college and luckily, right now, college pays a lot, and
all signs point to Kellen Moore being the next coach
for the Saints. My first reaction was like, seems kind
of crazy, Like, if you're Kellen Moore, you're one of
the highest paid coordinators in the NFL, you're with the

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place that's winning a lot, Is this the job you
want to take? And then I just kind of default
back to most of these coaches are really ambitious and
when they get the opportunity to become a head coach,
they usually say yes. And this is not college football,
where certain jobs are way better than other jobs. Most
NFL jobs suck, right There are only so many like

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Matt Lafleur's you get to take over with Aaron Rodgers.
Most of these jobs, the Jets, the Jags, the Raiders,
the Saints, like, all these jobs are pretty shitty and
they're available for a reason. There's not you know, Kenny
Stabler wasn't waiting for Pete Carroll Drew Brees, and you
know Marcus Coltson and Jimmy Graham aren't waiting for whoever

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in New Orleans. But if you're Kellen Moore, You're like,
I'll take my shot. I think I'm gonna be pretty
good at this. This division is not that great. And listen,
that's how most coaches are wired. When they get the
opportunity to become a head coach, they usually say yes,
not no. So when you see these stories of Mike
McCarthy or even Cliff Kingsbury, it's like, no, Cliff wasn't
gonna get the job, and there's nothing wrong with that. Like,

(11:40):
these people are so obsessed with pr It's like, guys,
you can't tell me it's sonny outside and when I'm
getting when it's pouring rain, like we understand what's going
on here. There's nothing wrong with not getting the job right.
And so to me, Kellen Moore good luck. All signs
points to that obviously the Eagles will not an ideal

(12:01):
situation for them, that if this comes to fruition that
they have to replace Kellen Moore with a bunch of
guys like their corps, their core, like their offense is
not going to change. Next year. Jalen Hurts will be
the quarterback, Mulatt will be the left tackle. Lan Johnson
will be the right tackle, assuming he doesn't retire. You know,
Landon Dickerson Cam Jurgens, AJ Brown, DeVante Smith, Dallas Goddard,

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Sekwon Barkley like their teams are team. So you talk
about if I was an offensive coordinator and Kellen does
take this job, or you know, an ambitious quarterback coach
or run game coordinator, I would be begging Howie for
that job because you talk about that would be the
second coordinator now in three years to become a head
coach from that operation. And I would say a fifty

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to fifty chance. If you take over the Kellen Moore
and you have similar success next year, you win twelve
thirteen games, you're in the playoffs, and your offense is
scoring some points, you will be interviewing everywhere. Some other
NFL stories, Fox said that they are getting eight million
dollars for Super Bowl ads that are thirty seconds long,

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so it is very very expensive to buy a Super
Bowl ad. I think last year it was close to
seven million dollars, so you factor in inflation. My overall
take with this is if I was now, I think
one thing you've noticed the Super Bowl ads the last
I would say, I don't know half decade. It's a

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lot of tech companies and some companies you have never
heard of the day and age of just now when
I was a kid, the Budweiser's, the McDonald's, the traditional
advertising companies on television have been dwarfed by these some
of these companies that you've never even heard of, that
have way more money than quote unquote the traditional nineteen

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nineties Fortune five hundred companies. I understand some of these
companies have so much money it doesn't matter. I don't think,
like if I was in the room, I'd go, hey, listen,
I'm a consumer first. I don't think we need to
waste eight million dollars on a commercial because the consumer
now when it goes off, when the game goes to commercial,
we no longer wait and go I wonder what the

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commercials are going to be. During the super Bowl, that
was a huge deal. Anyone my age or older knows
that if you watched the Super Bowl in the nineties, uh,
waiting for the commercials was equally as big as the game.
Like I wonder what Dorito's is going to do. I
wonder what Budweiser is going to do, And when they
did something, it really mattered. Nowadays it doesn't because you

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know what the consumer does on his couch. Even if
he's watching with twenty other people, fifteen of them grab
their phone and go right to it. Go to Twitter,
go to Instagram, go to whatever app you're using, TikTok.
I think you are better off spending some money if
you do want to go viral and try to go
viral that way through retweets, through reposts, because I just
don't see, Like if I was a company that was

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on the fence, like we don't just have eight million
dollars to throw away, is this worth it? I would
say one hundred percent, no, no chance that we don't
consume the product the same way. Like when I was
at Michael Ewing's house in nineteen ninety six watching Cowboys
Steelers or watching Brett Favre take on the Denver Broncos.

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We had like four straight years. I remember being at
you know, in like Junior High, having Super Bowl parties,
and we were glued when it went to commercial that
there is no chance you could find a fifteen year old,
a twenty five year old, a forty year old that
when the game, you know, when they go for three
minutes of commercials, doesn't immediately grab their iPhone. I promise you,

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I mean, just think how we all act right now.
Greg Olsen said that not being part of the Super
Bowl broadcast and not calling Super Bowls sucks, and that
you know, he aspires and plans on doing the big
games again. And listen, if you were in his shoes,
clearly you were pretty good at your job and you

(15:56):
were making ten million dollars and then you got demoted
to the second chair. Not the second chair, but like
the second game, right, Tom got elevated to the number
one game, and you went from ten million dollars to
three million dollars. So any human being would be pretty
rattled with that. My take has always been one most
of these broadcasters like it's clear when a guy really sucks.

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Remember Monday Night Football three or four years ago is
like unwatchable. You're like, this cannot continue. So having Aikman
at Collinsworth Tony, I think has gotten back to being
good again. It makes for an easy watch. But we're
watching these games, whether basically I'm calling them, whether you're
calling them, whether Troy Aikman's calling them. This is not
a podcast, right If you just threw for the next month.

(16:43):
Joe Rogan's like, I'm taking a vacation middle Cough, this guy,
this other bald guy, John Middlecoff is going to fill
in for me, and I just filled in. There is
no way the listens would be the same. They would
diminish greatly, Like is this middle cough guy talking to Elon?
Who's this guy talking to Theobon? Who's this guy pretended
he knows Mma. It would not work because when you

(17:06):
listen to Joe Rogan, when you listen to this podcast,
you come for me. I come for him, I come
from whatever I listen to. And in these games like
I'm there because the Eagles are taking on the commanders,
whether it's Tom Brady, whether it's Greg Olsen, whether it's whoever.
And obviously these guys, like you want someone to be

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good at the job. Most of these people that run
these companies are obsessed with the Internet, so they're always
reading like, you know, what's some overweight, losing loser critic
is saying with some newspaper And listen, we're all critics
in a certain uh to a certain extent. When we're
watching something, we all have opinions. But ultimately, whether I

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think Tom Brady's overrated or not, and I just I
don't even think, Yeah, probably properly rated. He's not very good.
I'm watching his games no matter what, because he's typically
calling the best game. So I think Greg Olsen's kind
of in a tough spot. Like in these positions, a
lot of times it has to do with fame. And
you know, in Tom Brady's position, he's not bad enough

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where he's going to get fired. They're paying him a
ton of money for a reason. And Coward said this,
you know, a lot of it has to do with
like the marketing tool. You know when Fox holds these
advertising you know, huge conventions or when they're pitching people
like they can have Tom on the phone, they can
bring Tom to the event, and that value is something

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that Greg Olsen just doesn't bring to the table. Chris
collins Worth, like most people that watch Sunday Night Football,
which is our biggest show, especially if you're twenty in
your twenties, you're in your thirties, have no clue that
Chris collins Worth was a good wide receiver in the eighties.
They could never tell you that he went to the
University of Florida. His playing career actually is pretty irrelevant

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at this point in time. He's just entertaining. He's just good.
I'd venture to go Like even Troy Aikman, like people
aren't like banging out his stats, like I remember when
he played that game in nineteen ninety four. Now it's
like Dragan's is good. And I think part of you know,
with Brady and Greg Ols, these guys that have recently retired,
I mean the reason they got hired is because they
just finished playing and they're famous. But Tom Brady is

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the most famous player in the history of the sport.
And it's no different than if you just went around
Like if Lebron James went to ESPN and said, hey,
I'm interested in colling games, he would make twenty million
dollars a year. If Tiger Woods went to CBS, like, guys,
I think I'm going to retire, I just want to
call like ten tournaments a year, they'd be like, name
your price. I mean that's kind of the way this

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thing works. And you get to a certain level of fame,
whether you're talented or not, Like you jump people in
line and it sucks. Like if I was in Greg's shoes,
I probably wouldn't be happy, but like, welcome to the
business world. Another thing, welcome to the business world. Joe
Shane said he's open to anything. He was interviewed at
the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama, which is just it's

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got to be pretty cool from some of these people
that are coming from freezing cold conditions like Cleveland, Philly.
I guess Philly's probably not really represented there with Howie,
but I mean they got scouts there, but New York,
New England, and it's just kind of sunny outside probably
probably like sixty two degrees got to be pretty refreshing.
But Joe Shane said that he's open to anything. Drafting

(20:18):
number three overall in this upcoming draft, I think the
Giants are in major trouble and they had a good
draft last year. You know, if they had just started
their tenure in twenty twenty four, I think the future
would be pretty bright. But like, once you make a
decision like Daniel Jones, and it was one of those

(20:40):
that's like you didn't just double down on Daniel Jones.
Then when the cameras got behind the curtain, you reiterated
multiple times like we believe in Daniel Jones, we want
to see with Daniel Jones, we want to make this
about Daniel Jones and then we watched him play as
poorly as humanly possible. And I just think if I
was a Giants fan, Unlessen Joe's probably a good guy.

(21:02):
I'm sure he works hard, tries hard. It is very,
very difficult once you completely fuck a fan base, and
whether that's fully justified or not, Like how much John
Mora had to do with the decision when it came
to Daniel Jones and the Saquon Barkley thing, Like, obviously
there are a lot of variables. He would not have

(21:23):
been as good with the Giants as with the Eagles,
wife because we've seen before it's not humanly possible. But
it's just hard to take him seriously. And I understand
where fans goes like, I can this just experiment be over?
Because this guy is going to have the power to
draft a quarterback when next year we probably win at
most six games. It's not out of the realm possibility

(21:45):
we win four or five again, and then everyone's fired
and we're just starting over. That does not feel like
a lot of fun. Let's get to my friends at
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amount of heat. Louisiana, I will see you next week,
But I was thinking about this. I feel bad for
Brian shot him. I think he has been put into
a very very unfair situation. Everyone specifically Cowboy fans, already
does not like him. They don't even know him, but

(22:48):
they are almost rooting for this whole thing to fail,
just so Jerry looks even worse now. Jerry did not
help matters at all with the opening press conference, when,
in very typical Jerry fashion, made it all about Jerry.
But Brian Schottenheimer gets talked about like he just showed
up to a football field six months ago that he

(23:09):
knows nothing about anything. And this guy's been coaching in
the league for a couple decades. His father is a
legendary figure in the history of the NFL. Never won
a Super Bowl, would just had a fantastic career, just
a winning old school coach. And I feel like Brian Schottenheimer,
unless he makes the playoffs year one, I feel like

(23:31):
the conversation about firing him immediately, Jerry, we got to
move on, Steven, tell your dad is just going to
get louder and louder and louder. Now, Jerry did not
help this situation and created it by I think, leaking
the press release that he had hired him on Friday night.
But this is a situation. It's not often like Liam

(23:53):
Cohen had just pretty embarrassing moments when he got hired,
but the way he handled the Buck situation, and like,
no one will care in a couple weeks, right, no
one will care. Pete Carroll, seventy three years old, is
gonna try to win. He's gonna get a couple of years.
This Brian Schottenheimer thing. If it does not go well immediately,
I think it could get really, really, really ugly. From

(24:16):
the Dallas Cowboy fan base. There's just some pent up
anger from the mccarthi era. They're still like lingering Jason
Garrett stuff. Because every time we turn on Sunday Night Football,
there that redhead is just staring at us with a
big smile on his face, saying absolutely nothing. And I
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Okay, let's do a little middle cough mail bag at
John Middlecoff at John middlecoff Is the Instagram, Fire into
the uh the old direct messages and get your questions
answered here on the show. Hello John for the mail bag.
I think a lot of us agree the Pro Bowl
is a disaster and irrelevant. I remember not long ago

(26:59):
and while the NBA played around with the format for
the All Star Game, many outsiders came with very interesting
proposals for how the game could become competitive and interesting
for the players in the NFL. I haven't seen any
sort of interest for the league to keep trying radical
stuff other than mini games around the actual game or

(27:23):
too many outside voices proposing interesting alternatives. Since this is
not going away, I doubt the NFL would want to
sunset this asset. I don't think I've ever heard that
saying before sunset this asset, but I kind of like it.
Where do you think the change will come from? I
think the hard part is in basketball. I saw someone

(27:46):
it was on Instagram put the list of the people
in the Dunk Contest. I had never heard of any
of them, and it's like, we just need to cancel
the dunk contest. Like part of the Dunk Contest was
like really famous people used to participate, some of the
best players in the league. It was a big deal.
It's not anymore so. It's okay, just like, just cancel
it now. The problem is these television networks spend a
lot of money for these properties and would like something

(28:10):
to broadcast on a Saturday night or, in the football situation,
Sunday afternoon. Right, that's usually when the Pro Bowl was.
In basketball, it's simply effort, Like, guys just don't try
at all anymore. But you can play a pickup basketball
game without getting injured, right. They don't need to play
like it's the NBA Finals. They just need to give
a little effort, and it's pretty entertaining. I've watched a

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lot of NBA All Star games in my day that weren't,
you know, playoff level intensity, but it was still a
fun watch. Football, you're either all in or all out
because you can't. Once they got to the point where
it's like this is a joke. No one wants to
get injured, no one wants to get tackled, and do

(28:53):
you blame them? You can't half assed football. It's why
tanking doesn't really exist. It's why bad teams constantly beat
good teams down the stretch. It's why on any given week,
especially the last couple weeks of the season, when teams
should just be playing for draft status they win because
you can't dip your foot in the water. You basically

(29:15):
got to jump into the deep end when you play
the sport. And it's the only sport of all the
major sports where you can't really play a pickup football game, right,
you know, in college or the pros, you're either playing
football or you're not. Like I could do a pickup
basketball game, I can do a simulated at bat. I
can't run O line D line if they're not wearing pats.
I can't run a real football practice and call it

(29:38):
football if they're not wearing pats. And I think the
padded days are done and that that's created. I think
just I don't blame players, right if I am a
guy and I make twenty million dollars a year and
I like I'm playing pretty well, but if I were
to get injured, I'd get cut, Like, I'm not risking

(29:59):
that about of money for Pro Bowl, And you could
argue they were always making a lot of money. I
just think the mindset has shifted, and there's so much
money on the line. I think that just had a huge,
huge impact. What genetically modified fuckery is This sickness. I
know you went through it. I've been on my deathbed

(30:21):
since Saturday. Had a national sales meetings in Miami the
week prior, crazy awful sickness suggestions. I just it was awful.
I got back to back ivs, like I probably spent
four hundred dollars on Lady coming over my house, got
back to back day's ivs. I drank a ton of

(30:42):
gatorade and water. I just slept. I mean it sucked.
I don't get the flu often, but when you get
it like that, man, that was awful. Seeing all the
international locations good luck Buddy announced for the Games next
year in Europe. Do you think the NFL will ever
bring a game to Australia or are we too far away?
There is a massive support for the NFL here and

(31:04):
Ozzie's will get around any sporting event. Do you think
it could happen. I think I've said this before. I
think one obstacle is the time zones and the travel.
So I just think it's a long way to go,
you know, I mean my dad, I went to New
Zealand when I was like thirteen with my dad. He

(31:25):
used to go with his dad for like a week
during Christmas break. You know, my dad was a farmer,
so they didn't have that much to do during the winter.
And my grandpa and my dad loved to fly fish
and they used to go there and they met this
guy and they went years and years and I went.
I just remember the flight was really really long. And

(31:47):
this back in the day. All I had was like
a CD player with like two CDs. So it's probably
an easier travel now if you're sitting on the plane,
but it's a long These NFL teams do not want
to go that long. Name for your fans the Coffins.
Someone asked me if I had a name for the fans.

(32:10):
Here's another one. The podcast is called three and Out,
so listeners would be called the fourth Downers. Appreciate all
the hard work the coffins and the fourth Downers. It's
kind of funny the coffers. Filling the coffers means to
add funds or a resource. Your fans are just your
most important resource. You guys have a little creativity to you.

(32:33):
Any explanation why the Ravens again deviated from the offensive
philosophy and the playoffs from what brought them so much
success in the regular season. Well, they clearly like their
offensive coordinator because I just saw a headline he got
a contract extension. Now, I wasn't thinking he was gonna
get fired, but he had a rough little stretch back

(32:56):
to back playoffs. I just think he gets I think
he gets his own way, Like this is not about
style points. No one has any clue how many yards
Patrick Mahomes just threw for. If you put a gun
to my head right now, I could probably get within
twenty yards, one hundred and ninety yards, two hundred and
ten yards. No one cares. Just like the week before

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when the Bills beat the Ravens, no one cared that
Josh didn't throw. He played winning. It's about winning the game.
It's the only thing like style points matter in the
regular season, like to win MVPs, to rush and pass
for a lot of yards, to get ranked high like
that matters to coaches and players. That's how you get
paid as a player. Nothing matters in the playoffs. Just
have more points to the other team when the dust settles.

(33:38):
There's no such thing as style points in the playoffs.
So I don't really know what to say. Beside, I
think he gets caught up and trying to pass the
ball rams Fan. I don't know if I've ever been
thiss gutted after a loss, mainly because of the immense
high with Puka's sideline catch followed by a small mistake
by the center leading to carter act of Stafford out

(34:02):
of a legacy securing second Super Bowl. On top of that,
to see McVeigh crying after the game and the utter
devastation on the players' faces, it has me wondering how
these players and coaches who are ultra competitive deal with
the losses. From your perspective, do these kind of things
follow them throughout the offseason or is it pretty much

(34:24):
cured after a trip to Cabo. I would imagine Kyle,
for instance, still wakes up in the middle of the
night tormented by the Atlanta Falcon Super Bowl loss. Would
love to hear your thoughts. Uh, you know, I think
it depends as a coach or a player, where you're
at in your career. I think, you know, if you

(34:46):
make it to the NFL, let's say as a player,
let's say I'm Matt Stafford, right, I think you have
a pretty good appreciation for winning and losing, Given that
you lost a lot with the Lions. Once you win
the Super Bowl and accomplish the biggest goal, that probably
motivates you to try to do it again. And then

(35:07):
you're in this situation like you've played in the playoffs
enough now you realize what's on the line, and then
you complete that pass. We're all human beings. It can't
help it cross your mind. I even saw Sean McVay,
there was not any thought in his mind that they
weren't going to win that game on that final drive
and then the level of devastation. So I just think

(35:29):
that I don't want to say, guys, get numb to it,
because losing sucks and winning is fucking incredible in any
walk of life. But for most of us, winning and
losing isn't like as finite on a weekly basis, Like
it's just the game ends, you know, and in football,

(35:50):
each playoff game is a game seven. So I just
think it's a complete kick in the nuts and you're
just you're just shell shocked. But like any human being,
after a couple of days, like you eventually got to
pick yourself back up, like you said, go on vacation.
If you're a coach, they usually get a couple weeks off,
go on vacation, hang out with your family, get back

(36:14):
to just getting a sweat in, have some beers, hang
out with some people. I don't think it's that much
different than normal human beings. Right. The difference is they're
used to losing. Like it's you have a great season
in the NFL, you lose five times, right, you go
twelve and five. Like the Rams had a really good season,

(36:34):
they went ten. They lost seven games each regular season
lot the playoffs is worse because there is no next week.
But you see the locker rooms after wins in the
regular season, right, how happy they are. Dan Campbell's gone
viral because of his locker room celebrations. Well, losses are
the same. It's why you know why Andy's such a
good coach, because he's not a big high low guy.

(36:58):
Like you watch some of his post game celebrations. They're
not like ye I watched his postgame celebration for the
Chiefs when they beat the Bills. He's like, uh, everybody, Uh,
meeting tomorrow two o'clock. If you've notice the teammate's not
in here, make sure you tell them again. Meeting two o'clock,

(37:18):
and uh yeah, let's let's say a prayer and enjoy
the night. You know, it's like it's it's not you know,
Sean is very emotional, which I am too. I have
much more in common with a personality with Sean than
coach Reid in terms of high and low. So if
you're a high and low guy, it's it's really really hard,
you know. I think if you're Pooka Nakua, it sucks

(37:40):
to lose. But how could you not think, like, well,
I'm gonna play in this league for right or wrong.
I mean, an injury could end your career, but you're
just young. You're in your second year, Like, I'm playing
this league for another ten years. I'm gonna be back.
That's not necessarily true. I also think that's why it's
so captivating, right, it's so captivating. It's why everyone was

(38:02):
on the edge of their seat and the Bill's chiefs
gam because you knew what was on the line, and
you watch Josh Allen's face in these press it really
really hurts. But I bet if you were I would
assume Josh Allen's playing in at and T Pebble Beach
this weekend, or maybe they are they even doing that anymore?
Maybe they don't even have celebrities anymore. Could be wrong
on that, So maybe he's just who knows hanging out

(38:24):
with his fiance has calmed down a little bit now,
But like you said, there are things that I'm sure
come into his mind throughout the offseason. And then I
also think you use it to your motivation. Right, there's
only gonna be one team and group of players and coaches.
They're gonna be really happy. Every other team is really devastated,
and the teams every other team beside the Eagles are
the Chiefs, and obviously one of those teams would be included.

(38:46):
This is like, is it really that devastating when the
Giant season ends? Like half the players probably checked out, right,
But if you're the Packers and you lose in the
first round, like that's it's pretty cutting. If you're the
Commanders and you're just like you start thinking super and
all of a sudden you lose. So I think you
just you don't get numb to it. I never did,
Like I always was like like the the ebbs and

(39:08):
flows of winning and losing. But I think for players
you just get so used to it. Coaches get kind
of numb to it. It's like, how do coaches handle injuries?
Like to handle it. It's like your best players just
laying there. They're like next man in. It's just part
of the business. You just you know, to be successful,
you want to be on more wins than losses. High

(39:31):
school coach from Hawaii and looking for some insight, I'm
currently making the jump from OC to head coach. What
are some things you've seen in college in the NFL
that have been successful or unsuccessful when making the same
coordinator to head coach jump. I think two keys here.

(39:52):
One is you have to stay true to yourself. I
think be authentically you, so don't try to be Let's
say the guy replacing was your mentor and he did
things a certain way, and if you're gonna do them different,
do them different. Do the things that you do because
you want to do them. That is very very important.

(40:12):
I also think there is a separation, like when you're
a coordinator, it's different than being the head coach. When
you're the head coach, like there are some things like
you're gonna have to balance like you're the boss, so
from your coaching staff and your players, Like there has
to be some sort of authoritarian figure of like the

(40:33):
buck ends with you. You know, if something is not right,
it's on you to fix it, and it's on you
to hold everyone accountable. I'm not saying like you need
to intimidate people, but there is like and you do
it through your actions, not you don't have to be
super big or you know, some raising asshole, but like, hey,
this is this is what my expectations are and anything

(40:54):
else won't be accepted. That's with your coaching staff and
with your players. So to me, community, you're gonna have
to communicate probably five times better than you used to
because now you're talking to everybody, and that's with your
coaches as well. But I would say, don't be fake.
Don't try to act like you know, a coach you
watched on Hard Knocks or you watch you know, act

(41:15):
like Saban because you think that's Saban, acts like he's
saving because that's Saban. I saw a clip the other
day he said, like when he was at Michigan State,
he was getting so frustrated because all the reporters and
everyone that covered the program just said he was the
biggest dick of all time and everyone just said he's
like miserable to be around. And he goes to Miss Terry,

(41:36):
his wife, and goes like, this is crazy. Everyone thinks
I'm just the most miserable human being alive. And Terry
looks back at him and basically goes, have you looked
at pictures of yourself? Have you watched the way you
conduct yourself during press conferences? Why would they think anything else?
And Nick said it like infuriated him, and then like
later that night or the next day, he realized she

(41:58):
was right, and he realized there's a balance, like he started,
you know, trying to communicate better, which is it's different
high school, but like people that cover the team is
his coaching staff, So you just you got to be
very cognizant of like everyone's looking at you even in
high school, like all your players and you know, for
in high school, their parents. So it's a lot of pressure,

(42:20):
like you're gonna have bad days you kind of I
don't want to say fake it and not show it,
but the way you, you know, your mannerisms, that goes
for anyone that's a boss, Like if you're in a
miserable mood, like it impacts everybody. When you're a coordinators,
like whatever I would say, the two coaches that I
was around a lot, they just acted like they normally act.

(42:41):
I mean Coach Hill just acted like Coach Hill at
Presdent State. I mean just he was just himself and
Andy they were very just comfortable in their own skin. Now,
both of them by the time I got around, and
had been doing it for a long time. But I
would say that just just be be yourself. Given your
history cal Pauly Fresas State in Philadelphia and football related roles,
have you ever had an awkward or uncomfortable in person

(43:04):
run ins with people who currently work for college football
or NFL teams because of your takes or opinions as
a podcaster and media personality. If so, have you dealt
with those situations in real life? Yeah, Ryan Grigson got
really mad at me. Thought I was like stonewalling him,
like hurting his chances for a job or something. You know,
people get pissed off. I've had people that I like,

(43:26):
get mad at and what are you gonna do? You?
Just like I just told that guy, you just say
what you think. I'm no different than anyone in the NFL.
They have every coach in GM and assistant GM could
host a podcast with their opinions. They talk and I
don't even feel like I'm talking shit. I'm just saying
what I think, no different than any of them. Everything
I say is public, and like, I don't think I'm

(43:50):
off the beaten path that often. Now, I did say
something that I knew last year got into the Giants
building about like Wink, Martin Dale and Dave Ball and
last year at the Combine, I got on the elevator
and Day bawls right there. He's looking at me, and
I was just like, Yeah, if this guy's gonna yell
at me, I wouldn't. I wouldn't blame him, like he
has the right to be mad. He didn't say anything.

(44:11):
He's like he maybe didn't even realize who I was.
I assume he didn't, or maybe just I don't know.
I didn't want to get into a not like a scuffle,
but I was prepared. It's like, Okay, I'm sure I'm
gonna hear it here because obviously that was a really
public situation. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't
really think about it that often, to be honestly, I
don't really care. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure I've

(44:34):
actually got way more positive, people that I didn't know
in the NFL, that liked the show, that find a
way to reach out and develop, you know, people that
I would not have known without this. More often than
any of that. It's a weird business because you know
we're talking about this stuff. They are human beings. But also,

(44:59):
like I've having worked in the business, like you know,
not everyone. If I don't think you're good, what am
I supposed to pretend I think you're good. It's why
I'm much more comfortable being hard on coaches and front
office people than players, because I have like it is,
I've said this and I will say this till the
day I die. It is infinitely harder to make the

(45:22):
NFL as a player, even if you are quote unquote
you know, like a practice squad. I was gonna say scrub,
but you can't be a scrub to make the NFL.
But when you're scouting, like you get kind of jade
and you're like, this guy sucks, this guy's okay, this
guy's good, like even some of the worst players that
are in the NFL. It is way more difficult to
accomplish that than it is to become a position coach

(45:45):
in the NFL, and there are way, you know, more
people that are coaching in the NFL that should not be.
There aren't many. There's nobody that's playing in the NFL,
you know, on the especially like an initial fifty three
or plays in the game that probably should not be
playing in a game. Obviously they might get replaced or
might be better guys coming up. But there are a
lot of people in NFL circles that are complete frauds,

(46:07):
non player. So it's why I have no hesitation. And
obviously the good coaches are the good coaches for a reason.
But that's like any industry, you know. I mean, there
are talented people and they're less talented people, and there
are people that are just scam artists. Like you can't
scam your way as a player, like I can scam

(46:29):
my way as you know, a team president. I can
scam my way as a coordinator or hell, sometimes a
head coach as you know, the assistant. I hear stories
all the time. Now, this this guy is one of
the biggest frauds. I mean I saw it with my
own two eyes. It's like, this guy's not any good.
And then you watch the guy go on to become
something you're like, what is going on? But like, you

(46:50):
can't fake you know. It's like, hey, I had twelve
sacks at at Old Miss. You either did or you didn't. Right.
You can't bullshit your way to the NFL as a player.
You can in the other positions, especially in coaching, because
you just know the guy. You always say that until

(47:20):
proven otherwise. There are certain organizations like the Jets, the Jags,
the Falcons, and the Dolphins that you will continue to
bet against. I was curious and as someone who has
been part of a successful organization, what do you think
franchises such as these need to do internally to change
your long term outlook on them going into the next

(47:41):
season so that quote unquote will stop betting against them. Ironically,
I bet against the Dolphins this year and I lost money.
I bet against the Falcons and I lost money, Like
whenever I bet against these individual teams, I lost money.
I did bet against the Jets one time, and when
the vividly stands out, I think playing the Colts. It

(48:04):
was the Colts game. It's funny. I could never get
those teams figured out. The Jets, I mean had a
ten lost streak. I would say I saw a quote
I think yesterday or two days ago that Woody Johnson
said that he poo pooed the article that came out
on the athletics, that it was a lot of hyperbolic

(48:27):
headlines in there that were fabricated. But he needs to
be a better owner, that he needs to do a
better job in his role as an owner. And in
my experience, though I wasn't in meetings with like the
owner and the coach and the GM, it was pretty
clear that Howie Andy got to cook right. And if

(48:50):
you watch them now, like Veach and Andy just get
to cook right, and how He gets to cook. I'm
not saying that those two don't de with Clark Hunt
or Howie doesn't deal with Jeffrey Lury, but they are empowered.
So when you hire these people, you have to empower
them and then if they're good, they will take your
franchise to be a consistent winner, even as you hit

(49:13):
rocky times like you don't you're unfaced. I think a
lot of these owners because when they hire, they're constantly
hiring new people. Right, hire this guy, he sucks, Fire
this guy, hire this guy, and they're always very very involved,
and it's hard for them not to micromanage because they go, oh,
this is not working. And I think it's very very
hard to overcome that. It's like when you are a

(49:34):
head coach or a GM and you're constantly having to
deal with the owner's ideas, it can be very very difficult.
And listen, it's unavoidable. And ultimately, if they want to
have an idea or chime in, it's their team. They
can say whatever they want. But I think that's a
huge problem here. So like when I think about the Falcons,
isn't random that Arthur Blank's always on the fucking field
five minutes before the game or I mean at the

(49:56):
end of the game, He's always standing there like he
likes to be a star in this organization. Feels like
he's got a heavy hand. Rich McKay is the executor
of his estate and as the team president. I mean,
it just feels like they're very, very involved. The Dolphins,
I mean, that owner's nuts. I think the Jags just
to have just to hire awful people. I think Woody

(50:17):
Johnson clearly, I think it's an ownership deal. I see
it with the Raiders. I think it's hard for Mark
not to get involved. I think for the first time.
I think he did it with Gruden, and then he
hired these other people, and then he got back involved,
and now I think he's hoping with Tom and Pete
he can just kind of stay out of it. I
think that's the key is like, is your owner constantly
like bugging you with stupid ideas, and if he gives

(50:39):
you an idea, what are you supposed to do? Not
do it? It's like when your boss says something like
kind of insinuates, like, yeah, I should probably do this
because it's pretty clear he wants this done. And in fairness,
like some of those owners metal like they hire, like
the Jets weren't wrong for hiring Robert song hot coaching,

(51:00):
it just turns out like a little over said being
a head coach. And back to the guy asked me
about the head coach, I can't speak. I mean, I
haven't been around high school football since I was in
high school in two thousand and two. But I think
in college football in the NFL, as a head coach,
you're doing so many tasks that don't revolve necessarily around

(51:21):
like a football play or coaching a guy's like foot
work up. You spend a lot of your time as
like a guidance counselor helping young people out. Guy having
a bad day, just talking to him, a guy struggling
in football, building his confidence back up, a young coach
like kind of riding him, trying to push him to
be better. You spend a lot of your time doing

(51:43):
that type stuff, and obviously in college in the pros.
Then there's the media stuff. There's the promotion for your program.
You know, I saw Andy on McAfee today. There's there's
a lot of other things that you have to do
that if you're just a linebacker coach or're the offensive coordinator,
that you don't have to really worry about, so you
kind of it's a lot of these guys get put
in these positions like it's It's why a opening press conference,

(52:06):
if you're opening press conference, is not a home run,
it's a red flag because nothing after that opening press
conference is easy. The entire offseason's hard. You now run
free agency, the draft, like everyone's asking you questions like
what do you think about this coach? What do you
like about this coach? You like this player? Coach? Hey, coach,
we got this guy wants to play with you. Hey, coach,

(52:26):
the offensive coordinator as a question, Hey, coach, the special
teams coach wants to run a couple of things by you,
Like it's just it's just constant. Hey, the owner needs
to talk to you. Hey the ad he needs talk
to you. You just got to be able to balance
your time and not get too stressed out, which I
think is why older coaches, you know, there's a reason

(52:47):
like you you look around, you know, I mean, look
at the Eagles hired Fangio and their defense is dramatically better. Well,
Vic Fangiel is like sixty plus years old, He's been
coaching for a long time. He kind of knows what
he's doing. So guess who no longer has to think
it all about the defense? Nick Sirianni. So what does
Nick have to worry about, Like keep an eye on
the offense, deal with Kellen and you know Jalen and

(53:09):
just kind of the team messages. He does not need
to worry about the defense. That's nice to have. Hell
and Andy is one of the greatest coaches of all time.
Like he talks to Spags a lot, but it's not
like he's telling him what to do, Like he doesn't
if I told Andy on a given week, Like, you're
just not allowed to say a word a game week

(53:32):
starting on Monday through the end of the game. You
can't say anything to Spags all week long. Can't even
ask him what they're doing you beside the team meeting
or whatever. You're not even allowed. This is an experiment
to talk to the defensive players. He'd probably sleep well
at night. Some coaches would have a heart attack. So
it's like, who are your assistant coaches really really matter?

(53:56):
I've been twenty five, been a bear stand in my
whole life, and never have been more excited about our
offensive chances for the next season. With that said, our
offensive line needs a major overhaul. How would you begin
architecting a line that could protect Kleb Williams and run
Ben Johnson's offense. What traits do you look for in

(54:18):
an O lineman when you're scouting, Well, I think it
depends what kind of offense you're running. Right, if you run
the Shanahan zone scheme, I can get by with less
talented guys that are more athletic. Right, everyone would want
the same star alignment like they would play in any scheme.
Pina Sewel the Niners would take them, The Lions would

(54:40):
take them, the Chiefs would take them, the Giants would
take He'd start for every team league, right, Tristan Wurf's
Lane Johnson, Trent Williams. Those guys have it all size, strength,
athletic ability, power, smarts, just feet. I mean, they got
it all most guys though. It's like some guys are
not is good of athletes, but they're very very powerful,

(55:03):
and other guys are much better athletes than they are strong.
So how do we want to play? Right? You know,
when I watched the Lions, they could kind of do
it all. Why because they had an elite offensive line.
Their guys were athletic, they were strong, they could run
zone schemes, they could shove you off the line of scrimmage.
The Eagles can do the same thing like Lane Johnson,

(55:23):
Jordan Mylatta, Landon Dickerson. Like, these guys can play in
any scheme. So do you you know it's Ben Johnson
scheme dependent, like because if I'm going to run more
zone scheme, then I kind of emphasize more athleticism. If
I'm going to run more of like a gap power scheme,
which I think most teams do, hybrids of them both.
I think you just need to get guys that start right.

(55:46):
So I need guys that are just solid starters. I
think that's the key when you look at personnel, So
you go, how many solid starters do we have on
our offensive line? Do we got one? So do we
need four guys? Can we upgrade four guys in offseas?
Probably not? But can we add like two solid starters
Let's say it's like a center and a guard or
a right tackle and a guard potentially three? Do we

(56:09):
sign a couple guys in free agency and draft two?
It's hard? And then you also, I haven't seen who
their offensive line coach is, but you know that hire
for a young coach is huge. Do you know one
of the biggest benefits that the Eagles have is they've
had Jeff Stotlin since I was there, Jeff Stotlin, when

(56:30):
Chip Kelly came on, it's twenty twenty five. Jeff Stotlin
has been there with Chip Kelly, He's been there with
Doug Peterson, and he's been there with Nick Sirianni. And
guess who's had consistently one of the best offensive linemen
or a line line. Zah Jeff Stallin and the Eagles.
So it's like when you get a really really good
offensive line coach, that guy can make Jordan my Latta

(56:51):
in the seventh round into a Pro Bowl left tackle.
That guy can take young players and immediately plug and
play him as starters. So it's like, you know Ryan Wendell,
who was the assistant coach for the Bills, who when
I was at President of State, he had just went
to the NFL. He played for a long time for
the Patriots for Dante Scarnekia, and you know, was like

(57:15):
a fringe starter, started some games. Now he's become an
no line coach. McVeigh hired him. Look how much better
the Rams offensive line is the last couple of years.
It's like Andy Reid has a good offensive line coach.
But Andy Reid is also an offensive line guy, Like
that's what he played, So he's very comfortable coaching that
hardball loves offensive lineman. So it's like he emphasizes drafting

(57:37):
those guys, recruiting those guys, but he also likes talking
to those guys, hyping them up, and coaching those guys
and being around those guys. So you kind of get
what you emphasize and if I'm if I am Ben Johnson,
I do exactly what we just did in Detroit. And
luckily they already have some skill guys on the roster, right,

(57:57):
you got a quarterback, you got a tight end, you
got a couple receivers. It's just all about investing in
that spot. And I'm pretty sure like when they got
there in Detroit, rag Now was already there. Weird he
get drafted, Yeah, he got drafted. Matt Patricians he got
drafted in eighteen. But and Decker was there as well.

(58:19):
But they drafted in a sewel and that was that
was a game changing move. Now this Bears team's not drafting.
I don't even know what's their pick eight, nine, ten.
I was just drafted offensive lineman. It wouldn't even be
a question offensive lineman. If you had to pinpoint, why
do you think defensive coordinators taking head jobs and instance

(58:41):
instantaneously become ceo head coaches they give up play calling,
opposed to ocs who turned into head coaches that say
they will call plays. It's so interesting to me because
they are hired upon the fact that their defenses are good.
That's a good question. I think part of it is
part of being an offensive coordinator and becoming a star

(59:02):
offensive coordinator is you're kind of like the orchestrator. You know,
you're you're the director of a movie. You just you
are orchestrating these eleven guys, like you're running the place
that the defense has to react to. As the defensive coordinator, ultimately,
your job is like half motivation and obviously half scheming,

(59:22):
but a lot of your scheme is taking educated guesses
what they're gonna do. As an offensive coordinator, I'm creating
something that they don't know is coming. So my skill,
like part of why it's so hard to find a
good defensive coordinator is they got to obviously really understand scheme,
but they also have to have like this pretty special

(59:42):
motivational presence. Like you just watch Vic Fangio around dudes,
like he's this old, chubby, kind of smaller white guy,
and ask any human being that's ever been in a
meeting room with him, like he commands respect one. He's
just kind of an old school curmudgeon until he really
knows what he's talking about. So it's like when you

(01:00:03):
watch Aaron Glenn, like a huge part of his thing
is not just calling like corner blitzes or you know,
teaching guys how to tackle. It's like leadership, right, it's
motivation and as an offensive coordinator, like is Ben Johnson
quote unquote motivating people? No, he's fucking calling incredible routes

(01:00:24):
for Saint Brown and Laporta and working on Jared Goff's
footwork so he gets the ball out of his hands
on time and running plays that are gonna work. So
I understand why coaches do it because they go I
can find someone who knows a decent amount as the
same level of schematically as I do, Like we're on

(01:00:45):
the same level. But like my motivation, then it's on
me to also motivate the offense, right, and just motivate
the team, like I'm a motivator. But that's why Aaron
Glenn got hired. He's motivator. Pete Carroll's a leader motivator. Right,
Clearly they have to know football in no schemes against offense.
But like Pete Carroll's job is to like lead the troops.

(01:01:06):
That's Aaron Glenn's job, Like that's kind of Dan Campbell's job,
and it's Johnny Morton's job to scheme guys open. If
Johnny Morton in two years gets a job out of
the Lions, like he will call plays and if Shepherd
you know it's It's why I do appreciate Demiko Ryans
like he's calling plays. Ideally, I would like you to

(01:01:27):
do both right, but some guys don't like it. Is
Ben Johnson gonna He's not gonna be some great motivator.
That's not gonna be his thing. So he's gonna be
another other guys on staff that kind of play that role.
And in general you have different guys talk to the team,
but Commander's fan here. Obviously, this team accomplished more than

(01:01:49):
anybody could have imagined at the beginning of the year.
Jaden has implemented himself as our franchise quarterback. But outside
of Jayden and Terry, were an obvious skilled disadvantage at
pretty much every position. When we play good teams this offseason,
what do you think the Commanders need to do? I
would look for two positions. I know you guys have

(01:02:12):
some interesting running backs. I would try to draft like
my Jamier Gibbs, my Alvin Kamara, my Saquon, Mike Christian McCaffrey,
and luckily this draft is loaded. So on the second
day of the draft, either in the second or third round,
I am picking a running back. And with the first
round pick, I think you go any position. You know.
I think you could take a tight end easily. I

(01:02:34):
don't think I would take a wide receiver. In the
first round. I would take offensive lineman, defensive lineman or
tied it. I would take something in the line of scrimmage.
And in the second round, I'm just taking a running
back and ideally like, can we get a dynamic running
back that just takes a little pressure off Jaden because
you just don't want them to be Superman every fucking game.

(01:02:56):
Question for the mailbag, Scotti. Scheffler's twenty twenty fourth season
was the most dominant since Tiger's seven, both winning seven
tournaments in just one year. Do you see Scheffler maintaining
this level of performance this upcoming season? Seems like now
more than ever, golf needs a Tiger Tiger like a
figure to help the decline in ratings and viewership. I

(01:03:17):
would imagine Scotty Scheffer's gonna keep kicking everyone's ass and win.
I don't know if he's gonna win seven times, but
I would put the number at like four or five.
I'd be stunned if he doesn't win a major this year.
But uh, there is no Tiger viewership. You know, those
days are done. It wasn't just that Tiger was such
a transcendent figure. Obviously he you know, won. There wasn't

(01:03:41):
any black golfers his name was Tiger. Technically his name's Eldrick.
But like, he is the most unique figure of my
life in any sport, more than Michael Jordan, more than
Tom Brady, more than Juice Up, Barry Bonds, more than
now Lebron or Steph partly because he took a sport
that is not mainstream, that is extremely Let's face it.

(01:04:06):
I mean, before Tiger Woods, it was just known as
a super rich guy sport. Now golf, you know, I
mean it's still pretty expensive to play, but I mean
it's proven, like you don't need to be a member
at a country club to play golf, but there will.
I feel pretty confident saying this. There's never gonna be
another Tiger Woods in my lifetime. They're just just not

(01:04:26):
He looked different, he played different, and again his name
was fucking Tiger. I don't know if Tiger Woods is
as big, even if he looked the exact same and
his name was Robert Johnson and his dad instead of
Earl Woods was like James, I think there is Scotty's

(01:04:49):
a great player, but there's that ain't happening again. It's
just not that being said, I kind of like Scotty
Scheffer to win this weekend. A Dolphins fan here, my
question is for the mailback, what the hell do the
Dolphins need to actually do to actually become competitive? McDaniel
and Greer are staying at least for this upcoming year
and to his injury prone would love to hear your

(01:05:10):
thoughts on the Dolphins don't really get discussed on the
pod for obvious reasons. I think we kind of see
who Mike is. He's just not a tough guy. And
I don't think you fake toughness when you think about,
like the best teams like the Ravens are tough, not
just because like well we got a long history of
being tough. No, like John Harper is a tough guy

(01:05:31):
and they draft tough players, right, Jim Harboss teams are
always tough. Why Jim's tough? You kind of are what
your head coaches and I think it's very, very difficult
to overcome. Mike McDaniel. He literally went on a rant
at his end of the year press conference saying, fines
don't work, guys are showing up late all the time. Well,

(01:05:53):
he's not talking about the guy in the practice squad,
because a guy in the practice squad would never show
up late. Why he would get cut. He's not showing
talking about backup players because those guys would get cut
as well. Who can afford fines? Look at their roster.
I think it's face fair to assume it's not too
a Tongo bay loa, so is it. Jalen Ramsey is
a Tyreek hill. If these guys, if your best players

(01:06:16):
don't respect you, you have no shot. And I think, like, listen,
he's got this cool look. He's got this one hundred
thousand dollars watch and these thousand dollars sunglasses, and that
shit was cool year one. He's got the curly hair
rocket now with the gel and he kind of looks
like a drug dealer. Like it's just not funny anymore.
Because when your team plays a real game and it's

(01:06:36):
cold outside, we expect you to get your ass kicked
and it's listen. It's one thing for me as a
podcaster you as a fan to say that literally as
players stopped respecting him. And last year when Fangio left
and was like this place is fucked up, and all
the players were like, he's such a dick, asked the Eagles,
is Fangio a dick? Or is he just really good coach?

(01:06:58):
And good defensive coaches are kind of hard ass and
being a hard ass in the sport of football. This
is in basketball kind of matters and kind of works.
I'll promise you this. No one's showing up to Andy
Reid's meetings late over and over and over again, not
tolerated one they respect him. So I think when he
said that, I thought, whoa, they don't respect the coach.

(01:07:22):
And in fairness, he was not alone. Shane Stiken said
the same thing after Pat McAfee called him out. And
I think sometimes with these offensive coaches that are quote
unquote wizards, Okay, you're really smart, but like, are you
a tough guy? Because you know who's not scared of
confrontation Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Mike Rabel,

(01:07:43):
Like eventually you just get into these like, no, this
is not gonna be tolerated. It's listen, this is hard.
I mean you might not tolerate. The guy might be
your starting guard six foot six, three hundred pounds. Mike
McDaniel's gonna tell him something clearly not I'll promise you
who would Belichick, would have Vrabel, would have Pete Carroll
Will Andy ain't scared. I'm not saying they're gonna come

(01:08:07):
to blows, but like there has to be some sort
of intimidation factor aka mental warfare. And I think Mike
and Shane are they kind of getting worked over by players.
That's what it feels like. And that's when you get like,
are you kind of over your head for this job?
I would assume if you got Mike McDaniel or Shane

(01:08:28):
stike In inside a whiteboard and you took all the
top offensive guys starting with Andy to McVeigh to Laflorida,
Kyle to Kevin O'Connell, Shane Stikeen, and Mike McDaniel, could
draw some shit that those guys would steal like that's awesome.
Doesn't matter that their job is not just play designer,

(01:08:48):
it's leader, it's head coach it's disciplinarian in a weird way,
like you're kind of balanced between the play caller slash,
like I'm these guys like father right, Like I'm in charge,
Like you guys look at me. I tell you what
we're having for dinner. You don't. I do. There's a balance.
I'm not saying you just an asshole constantly, but I

(01:09:09):
can't let you guys start pushing me around like that's
kind of we lost the plot here. And I don't
think it's shocking at all that both those organizations kind
of fell apart this year. A pass fan, I'm excited
about Vrabel, especially after the Mayo experiment, which was a disaster.
But I can't help but think that the Pats might
turn into the modern day cowboys, where at one point
they had all this success and then the owner started

(01:09:32):
to get really in the way, and they fell into
a franchise that hangs its coattails on the old days
with an owner who seems to be too involved. You know.
I saw a clip of Diana Orussini the other day
and she's like, it's funny that you start doing some
reporting and digging over the last month of some of

(01:09:54):
these teams that have job openings and they're a little
insulated from the conversation. Jerry Jones fuse his job as
the Dallas Cowboys as the best job in the league.
You could put a gun to his head and say, Jerry,
tell me this is not the best job in the league,
and he wouldn't be able to do it because, deep
down to his core soul, he believes the Dallas Cowboys

(01:10:17):
the best job in the league. Get that is not
viewed that way anymore. Just like the Jets, Like, what
are Johnson? Like, what the fucking New York Jets? You're
coaching in New York, the brightest lights, the biggest market.
It's like, yeah, what do you got to coach the Jets? Like?
That's not a good thing. And I think sometimes that
these owners, now they've made so much money, I think

(01:10:38):
it's less about like Robert Kraft, like living in the past, right.
I just think he thinks and rightfully so, because he
has this team worth billions of dollars. He's been part
I guess of championships that he knows a lot and
his opinions, and listen, the Patriots are a huge part
of his life. Just like Jerry Jones it's like Woody Johnson,

(01:10:58):
Like these guys are in the building constantly. Your story
is like Shot Conson even around, right, Like Jed York
is not going into Kyle Shanahan's office every single day,
So it's like what type owner is he constantly coming
around telling me what to do? And I think also
the dynamics with the Crafts, it's like Jonathan plays a
big role, and I think put yourself in a position

(01:11:21):
in some of you guys listening are part of family businesses.
You know it's unique. Right, Let's use Robert Craft and
Jerry Jones, who are both over eighty, both billionaires, and
both how could you They're just not as sharp as
they once were, but their kids are kind of circling
like sharks. Like also like I'm kind of the boss,
but I'm not in total control, right, Like Stephen Jones

(01:11:43):
could not fire Brian Schottenneimer today, just like Robert or
Jonathan Craft could not fire one of the assistant coaches.
He has to go through his dad. So there's an
element of still like he's thirteen years old. Even though
Jonathan Craft is I mean lives like a king, right,
I'm sure he's got five homes, member of country clubs.
He's living like he has like he owns the team, right,

(01:12:07):
So there's that dynamic that plays a part in it.
And I think there's just constant kind of back and forth,
just when you disagree with your dad and then like
you kind of can play this role when your dad's
just gone of like I'm the boss, even though you're
technically not. So I just think there's a lot going
on in situations like that. I think this is where
Frable comes in. I don't think he gives a shit.

(01:12:30):
He does not give a shit, Like he's not gonna
be like, okay, he was part of some of those
like he does not care about what happened in two
thousand and four. It doesn't have much relevance to right
now now. I'm sure that comes up, like the championship
culture and that type stuff. But he's not just holding
on to the good old days. It's all about twenty

(01:12:50):
twenty five. How do we improve for Drake May, How
do we play better defense? What kind offense we're gonna
run right? Like what went wrong last year? How do
we change? I think there's always a balance in life
of like using your past experiences and letting those dictate
your life, right, Like as you get older and we

(01:13:11):
all know these people to just hold on and tell
the same stories, Like guys, that was twenty years ago,
that was ten years ago, that was five years ago.
Like we're kind of like, what have you done lately?
Like it's twenty twenty five, right, so like how do
we fix this problem now? And you see that with
teams like, hey, we won the Super Bowl back in
nineteen eighty seven. No one cares if you were thirty

(01:13:34):
years old the last time you won a super Bowl.
You would be seventy now. So it's like there's got
to be some sort of balance. I think it's probably
hard for these super rich guys. Would you take Love

(01:13:59):
or Hurts? I'm curious on your thoughts. I think the Eagles,
if we did this exercise like this, we're starting from scratch.
All of our teams are gonna be equal. On the
Eagles with that offensive line, Jalen's running ability, you would
rather have Jalen Hurts. I do think, like if you
told me I got Andy Reid as my coach, I

(01:14:20):
would like Love as my quarterback. And I might be wrong.
Maybe he'll the best he'll ever pass is that eight
games streak his first year starting. I'm not giving up yet,
not giving up, but I mean Jalen's starting a second
Super Bowl, so I can't. Again. We have to do
the exercise of like I don't have the Eagles personnel.
All teams are the same. Like if you told the

(01:14:42):
if you told a shitty team, let's do that, Pete
Carroll or Brian Daball, what quarterback you'd rather have? And
they might, they might get it wrong. I think most
would choose Jordan Love because the passing element of it.
I'm fairly new business owner. What would be your best
advice getting in to owning your own business? Well, I

(01:15:03):
would say I'm pretty unique here that like, I'm a
partner in this venture, so there are elements of stuff
that I don't have to deal with. And if you
own it a more traditional business, you do have to
deal with everything under that umbrella. So I probably couldn't
give And it depends what you own. And I've you know,
growing up, my dad worked for an independent guy in

(01:15:25):
the farming world. I saw my family run different industries.
Now I get cousins that run a beer business. It's
family owned that I just think it depends on the industry.
I do think this, and having I had another podcast
which I did for like six seven years after I

(01:15:46):
got out of radio. You can only do so much
stuff by yourself. And I used to think this I
could do. And I was talking to someone on the
phone today who's in my industry, and he's we were
just kind of shooting shit talking about some stuff. You
can only go so far by yourself. You need other
people to help you out. I could not my quote

(01:16:09):
unquote career. I'm not a broadcaster, podcast or whatever you
want to consider this, It's not possible. I could only
take myself so far. Collins value of promotion, distribution, even
the partnership with iHeart and the sales guys we have
here at the volume is extremely valuable. Right, So I

(01:16:35):
could attempt if I wanted to do it all on
my own, There's no way I could do it. I
don't have the bandwidth to do everything. On top of
all the technical logistics, I don't know how to do
any of that stuff. Obviously, they are going to be
elements of your business you're just not going to know
how to do right, And the quicker you hire people
to do that, the faster you're able to grow because

(01:16:59):
I think a lot of people and I'm maybe more
guilty of this than most. I just feel I can
do it. I can do it, and then you end
up wasting so much time. I would say the older
I've gotten, the more I try to lean on other
people and even just willing to pay someone else to
do something to help with time efficiency. Obviously there's a

(01:17:19):
balance of wasting money and depending on what your businesses
your resources, but I would say the faster you can
scale is directly correlated with the other people you have,
either depending on you know, partnering with working for you,
however your you know setup is. But you can only
do so much by yourself, no matter even if you're

(01:17:41):
working ninety hundred hour weeks. You need, you know. Football
coaches say this, well, like I'm a product of my staff, right.
I think a lot of people you know CEOs say
like you know whoever they're top four or five people
in their in their corner are CFO, CMO, COO, you
need help, right, and he'd be the first to tell you,
like he's a way better coach with Brett Beach picking

(01:18:01):
the players right. Howie Roseman looks like a lot better
GM now that they got Fangio calling the defense, Sirian,
it looks like a lot better head coach now they
hire Fangio. I just think that, like you know, if
you're watching this on YouTube, I have nothing to do
with that beside recording this. I can do the content, right,
Could I figure it out? Probably? It's probably. I mean,

(01:18:21):
I guess I could, but it would be energy and
time away from doing what I do best. Just like
whatever you do best, you know, figure that out, go
all in on it. It's like the old adage of like,
you know, people that are more successful out of like
ten things, they just like master a couple of them
and just hand off all the other ones. And obviously

(01:18:43):
for you, you pay other people to do it. But
you know, if you try to spread yourself too thin
on whatever you're doing, especially if you're a young person,
it can it can become overwhelming and it can beat
you down. Good luck, man, appreciate everyone listening. Talk to
you soon and ull be back in a couple of days.
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