3 & Out - Who is on the trading block, where will Shedeur Sanders land, Go Low

John dives into how teams approach the NFL Draft from a trading perspective and how the way the draft plays out, plays a major role into teams starting to trade for players. Next, John discusses the latest with Derek Carr and the very odd situation surrounding his "injury".  Next, he talks about the upcoming draft and where he thinks Shedeur Sanders could get drafted and what might happen if he slips.

Lastly, John talks some golf with a 3&Out-Go Low combo podcast and also answers your questions during this episode's Go Low mailbag segment.

5:38 - Who could be on the trading block

12:11 - What's the deal with Carr

15:40 - Draft talk

21:43 - Where will Shedeur go

29:17 - Go Low

41:19 - Mailbag

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume What is going on everybody, John Middlecoff three
and out podcast, How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is

(00:21):
doing great? And today we're gonna split up the podcast.
We're gonna start What's in Football because the draft's ride
around the corner. Some guys that are clearly on the
trading block, some gms admitted as much, and other stories
coming out about a quarterback that is essentially trying to
force his way out of town. And then some other

(00:43):
draft talk about something the Rams do that the new
Jags GM will also implement in Jacksonville that I find
pretty fascinating when it comes to draft time the lead
up to the draft, at least how they approach player
visits and player workouts and Sanders Shadour that is not
Dion or Shiloh. We'll be working out for the Giants

(01:05):
and clearly trying to impress and hopefully get drafted number
three overall. Here in the next I don't know if
it's today or tomorrow, but that workout is going on.
So we'll talk some football and then we're going to
talk I'm just gonna do a little go lo podcast
and we'll just combine the two. But football for the
first twenty twenty five minutes, and I did want to

(01:26):
talk a little bit more about Rory winning the Masters.
Some bets for this weekend, the RBC Heritage, and I'm
gonna answer a bunch of your questions. So no football
mail bag today. We will save that for Thursday show,
which we are having Jake Dickert, who is now the
coach at wake Forest, but coach Washington State forever so

(01:47):
coach cam Ward for a couple of years. He also
coached against shad Or Sanders, so he'll be on tomorrow
and I'll do a big mail bag with that as well.
But today we're gonna do a bunch of golf stuff.
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get your question answered here on the show, and that's

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last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. One thing that happens
during this time is you have players on your roster
that you clearly would have traded around the combine and
around free agency, but you weren't able to get anything
done because a lot of these teams hope to fill
those needs with the position that you're willing to trade

(03:58):
if it's not some super prominent guy that everyone's interested
in during the draft. And then what happens during the
draft is, let's say you need a tight end and
you're drafting in the low twenties, and you have two
guys that you would have no problem taking, and obviously,
if you draft a guy at pick twenty or pick
eighteen or twenty two, you expect that guy to become

(04:19):
your starting tight end and at worst play a lot
as a rookie. Well, if the draft comes and goes
on Thursday night and both those guys are gone before
you pick, and you don't have anyone else at that
position graded higher than like in the third round, you
are much more interested in trading for guys like Dallas
Goddard and Mark Andrews. Now we've known for a while

(04:42):
Dallas Goddard is on the trade block and I fully
expect him to be traded either Thursday, Friday, or Saturday.
During the NFL Draft today we learned when the Ravens
GM was, Eric ta Costa was being asked about Mark Andrews,
and it's one of those like do you expect Mark

(05:03):
Andrews to be on the team? Trade? It's an easy
answer when some guy goes, we're not trading this player.
He's gonna be on our team this year. Nothing else
anyone can say. But when you go with the you
know he's a warrior, he's been one of the great players. Like, no,
you're just beating around the bush. This guy is now
on the trading block. And Mark Andrews. I had to
immediately look it up, and I think the initial hot

(05:25):
take reaction would be welch because he dropped balls. It
has nothing to do with that. Players Jerice drops some balls.
Trell Owan's had questionable hands, like players drop balls, shitty
time to do that. But that is not the reason
they've soured on the player. The reason they've soured on
this player is financially he's going to be a free
agent after twenty twenty five. They have to pay him

(05:45):
eleven million dollars cash, and I think it's safe to
say if you look at the Ravens history, they're probably
not going to give him a third contract. So right now,
when he still has value, couldn't they trade him to
a team that misses out on one of the top
tight ends in this draft and potentially get like a
third round pick, and instead of having to wait for
the comp picks for another year and just play it out,

(06:08):
they can pivot right now and who knows, maybe use
one of their high picks on a tight end. But
whenever you are asked about the status of a player
and you can't directly say yeah, that is not happening,
you're open to it. Help. We saw it for a
month and a half with John Lynch in the forty
nine ers, with Brandon Ayyuk. It's like, you just gave

(06:28):
this guy a contract. It's like, yeah, we really like him.
But listen, you never say never. No, you never say
never two players that you know are going to be
on your team. It's one thing to be like if
I ask Andy Reid, like, is Chris Jones going to
be on your team and twenty twenty five you'd be like, listen,
Chris has done a lot of good things. We really
like him. But you could never no, he would never
say that. He said, yes, of course, Chris Jones is
going to be on the roster twenty twenty five. And

(06:51):
when asked about Mark Andrews, can't say that. Now. Howie
isn't even hiding it. He said that the draft plans
will have no impact on Dallas Guy situation. But I
think it's fair to say that the plan is. It
doesn't mean that it will happen. Things are fluid. Takes
two to tango. While you can dance by yourself, ideally

(07:13):
you need a partner. And I think in any trade situation,
you can want to trade Dallas Godder, you can want
to trade Mark Andrews. You need someone to trade for them.
But the Ravens and the Eagles are ready to trade
their tight ends. And I think you look at a
team like the Denver Broncos. I know they signed a
tight end, but they could use multiple. You look at
the Los Angeles Chargers when it comes to a tight

(07:35):
end situation, where's their general manager from the Ravens. Would
they be interested with the Ravens trade him within the conference.
I don't know, but there are going to be landing
spots depending on if the teams that are interested don't
land said player in the draft. The Miami Dolphins general
manager admitted today that Jalen Ramsey has not asked for

(07:56):
a trade. That it is the Dolphins, and I go
back to the end of the year when the Dolphins
missed the playoffs and Mike McDaniel and in fairness shame
Steiken did too, said that players are constantly showing up late,
and that finds when guys are super rich have little impact,
no shit. It's like Adam Silver, He's like John Morant, Walt,
listen to me. Here's seventy five thousand dollars. Cha's like

(08:18):
I have a two hundred million dollar contract. I don't
even notice that. And when it comes to finding a
guy that makes twenty twenty five to thirty million dollars
a year a couple grand, they don't care. If they
don't respect you, that money is going to be very
meaningless to them. And I remember thinking those two coaches,
like if you're a practice squad, guy or a fringe

(08:41):
you know, fifth, sixth, seventh round guy from previous years
that's you know, a borderline starter or a guy fighting
for your career. Under no circumstances are you going to
consistently show up late. The only guy who's gonna consistently
show up late is a super rich player that knows
he's kind of on scholarship. So when I see the
Miami Dolphins out and say, like, yeah, Jalen plan on

(09:01):
getting rid of the guy, pretty clear. Going back to
Mike McDaniel in his comments that Jalen was showing up late, like,
it's not hard to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
And if you think about last year when they got
rid of Fangio kind of randomly or let him out
of his contract, and that thing kind of, you know,
fell apart. I don't want to stay out of nowhere,

(09:22):
but what was kind of a bizarre situation. There were
some weird comments about Fangio being too mean and Fangio
not really liking it. They're like, I think it's safe
to say that the Jalen Ramsey Miami Dolphins experiment has
been a little bumpy, and clearly the Dolphins won out
of that business. The problem is, if I can figure
this out, you better freaking believe that people around the

(09:44):
NFL know that too. It's like, wait, you want me
to trade for a guy who missed the Pro Ball
for the first time since his rookie year, who makes
a ton of money, and clearly I don't want to
call him malcontent, but someone that is hasn't been a
great business partner for you, especially this last year. I
think he's got little to no value. So I wonder
if Miami Dolphins end up trading him. The other story

(10:06):
that did not see coming is the Derek Carr New
Orleans Saint situation. There was a story last week about
he needs shoulder surgery and might miss the year. Came
out of nowhere in the middle of April. I think
a lot of people are scratching their heads. You're like,
is this real? Well, it is rap Sheet, who obviously
is a very reputable reporter, and I don't think just

(10:27):
makes things up, but pretty clear that over time and
a lot of people, the big Jay's that have been
reporting on this, it has come from the Derek Carr
camp and they're using this to try to get the
Saints to either trade them or cut them, and I
started thinking, like, if I'm a Saints fan, or hell,
if I'm Mickey Loomis, I think the Derek Carr experience

(10:49):
has been really underwhelming. I don't think on the totality
of it, he's played that well. He's had individual good games,
but overall, I think they expected, they expected him to
be another a better player. And then I started thinking,
if I'm Derek Carr, I go, well, I came to
this chaotic organization. I think I did the math in

(11:10):
his two years starting there. Now he's missed some games
with injury, so he hasn't played, you know, thirty four games,
but he has forty touchdowns. I would have guessed, like,
what are his stats in the two years as the
Saints starting quarterback. I would have guessed, I don't know,
thirty touchdowns and twenty two interceptions. He has easily a

(11:31):
two to one ratio. Forty touchdowns, thirteen picks. I bet
in his mind he goes, I'm still a good player.
It's not me, which I don't totally agree with, but
by all accounts is like Kellen Moore and the Saints
aren't that into Derek Carr. Somehow, they I'm not quite
sure how this works, but they restructured his contract without
his blessing, which is a little weird. You know, there

(11:54):
are reports that he doesn't want a Kirk Cousin situation
where he's just the placeholder while they draft let's say
Shador Sanders in the first round or Jackson.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Dart or whoever.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Now my ultimate take, and the same thing with Cousins,
I feel little to no sympathy when you take all
the money, and when you take all the money, like
you don't get to then just dictate all the terms
when you're not Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lebron, James, Steph Curry like,
I'm sorry, No one's gonna cry foul for Kirk Cousins,

(12:25):
for Derek Carr, but this situation is getting messy, and
I think if you are the Saints and you end
up drafting a quarterback with your top ten pick, I
do think it would be beneficial to either find a
trade partner or just get rid of this guy, because
you don't want not that Derek's a bad guy at all.

(12:45):
And I would say the same thing with Kirk Cousins.
You don't want to put your young quarterback in.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Just a bizarre, weird situation.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It is easy to just pivot, and that's what I
would expect to happen. Now. I don't think you would
have much of a trademarket in the sense of they're
not getting some high pickback for him. But when you
look at Mark Andrews, when you look at Dallas goddor
when you look at Jalen Ramsey, when you look at
Derek Carr, the two tight ends have value. I mean,
the two tight ends are getting traded for I would

(13:15):
say probably like a third round pick to me, Jalen Ramsey.
A lot of teams are like, yeah, we're not messing
with that. The car thing is going to be interesting. Obviously,
we have to see how Rogers plays out. There's still
some teams that are quarterback less. Would the Steelers be
interested in that if they realize that Aaron's not gonna come.
I don't know, but yeah, that's I think it's safe

(13:36):
to say that's a failed experiment, that the Derek Carr signing.
Let's go into some draft talk, and I found this fascinating.
I'm sure I knew this, but reading this Pro Football talk,
I almost said, article blog, whatever you consider it to
be about the Rams former assistant GM and James Gladstone
the New Jags. GM is that the Rams do not

(14:01):
bring in players for their visit, and I saw someone
Benjamin Albright, who lives in Denver and covers the NFL
and covers the Broncos as a radio show on the
Broncos station, said that he's heard of teams using thirty
visits in all sorts of different ways. Some of them
don't utilize them all, Some teams bring in teammates of

(14:23):
guys they're interested in to not only throw people off
the scent but also just gain extra information. And then
some teams utilize it as a complete smoke screen bring
in guys they're not interested in. So the visits, I
find that they have some value having the coach and
just spending more time around a human being, because ultimately

(14:44):
you're drafting the human being, right, So the more and
more time you spend around them, in my opinion, the
more beneficial. Now the Gladstone Rams view on it is
it creates bias because if you have a good interaction
with the guy for a couple hours around lunch, it

(15:05):
might pivot your former beliefs, Like I didn't really love
this player, but now I really like the guy. And
I've learned this when I was scouting, and I tried
to carry this in through all walks of life, that
you have to be very careful about information you hear
secondhand because it can really skew the way you view someone. Right,

(15:27):
How often have you been told yeah, I know, I
know that, dude, whether it's professionally, personally through someone you
got to do business with, or a guy that you're
eventually going to go to dinner with, through your wife
or your girlfriend or whoever, scumbag loser, hate them, can't
I can't trust them. Maybe that would be extreme, but
just negative things about the guy or vice versa, really

(15:49):
positive things about an individual. Then you meet the guy,
you spend time with them, and you have the opposite
interaction positively or negatively. Then that shapes the way you
view something. And maybe, and this happens a lot you
hear something negative about a guy, especially, it happens all

(16:10):
the time. I know a lot of you listening that
are in countless different industries, have people in your industries
in the city town area you live in. I don't
like doing business with this guy, can't trust this guy,
he has a bad reputation. Yet someone meets that same
individual and goes, good, I'm really likable. I had a

(16:30):
bunch of cocktails with them. Seemed pretty cool. We got
along pretty well. And I think that's one thing that
Gladstone talked about is they try to remove that because
they go Listen, We're secure in our scouting staff that
over the last six eight two years of being around
scouting this individual, getting to know them, the person to

(16:52):
the player, we created a profile on them. We didn't
spend all this money to travel around and gather all
this information to then change it dramatically over interaction, which,
let's face it can happen because there's one thing to
scout a guy on the outside. Talk to his coaches,
talk to his counselors, talk to his high school coaches,

(17:15):
talk to his teammates, talk to everyone that you would
need you to feel good about the guy, and then
scout the player good enough, bad enough, in the middle,
has some upside, has some downside, whatever, and go I
feel really good about this now. Me personally, if I
was going to give someone I don't know, millions of dollars,
I would like to meet them first. But you could

(17:38):
convince me that maybe they're onto something. And the one
thing the RAMS would say is we've drafted pretty well.
We kind of know what we're doing, and this strategy
has worked for us. Now, what I think is different
about going to a new team is these scouts aren't yours.
So the people giving you the information, you don't know
how good or bad they are. So there is a

(18:01):
lot of trusting individuals who aren't your people. You didn't
hire these guys. It doesn't mean they're not good at
their job, and it doesn't mean that you won't continue
to employ them, but you're taking a pretty big leap
of faith. The one thing with less sneed when the
rams are doing it, in Sean McVay, like they've all
kind of been together a while, right, they kind of
have a structure in place with some consistency of human beings.

(18:24):
And whenever you go to a new place and totally
understand I would take what I learned that worked at
a successful place with me as well. But that first
couple months of making that transition, and listen, Gladstone, he's
got great hair, and I one thing, and I made
this mistake a long time ago. When I'm like Sean
mcvay's not gonna work. And my take was simply like,

(18:45):
I'm basically Sean mcvay's age and being a head coach
of thirty years old in the NFL felt impossible. I'm like,
I don't think it's I don't think it's possible, and
he proved me wrong. So I feel like I'm going
the other way. I'm rooting for this young guy. It
feels really dynamic. I hope it goes well, but this
situation's gonna be fascinating. I mean, part of the reason

(19:08):
stuff works. With the Jackson, I would say any team
is coaching right. Obviously you need the good people. Culture
is created by those individuals. But a huge reason the
Rams won with Jared Goff now with Stafford, have had
good defenses.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
They got good coaches.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
They have a great head coach. So this guy could
be one of the up and coming geniuses in the league.
If Liam Cohen is below average as a head coach,
none of it matters, period, point blank, end of story.
And last but not least, Shador Sanders, who's, let's face it,
gonna be the most polarizing guy in this draft, and

(19:47):
if he's not drafted in the top ten. It'll just
be Shador Sanders' content slipping falling quote DMX and I
can't get up, but just plummeting down the draft like
it'll be. I think it'll be one of the bigger
stories on Draft Night in a long time, the way
the network's forcing onto us, which I think some teams

(20:08):
would say, Yeah, I don't view him as a high prospect. Listen,
I like the guy. Do I have any confidence that
he's gonna go high?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
I don't do.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I think he's gonna fall. I guess I would bet
on that. I don't even think he's a lock to
be the second quarterback off the board, not that I
even agree with that, but let's face it, like, anytime
you have this many prospects in a draft that are
viewed as pretty interchangeable, anything's possible. They're gonna be guys
drafted in this top ten. Do you go, who did

(20:37):
they just draft? Because usually the casual fan besides super
famous college players kind of learn about these guys in
mock drafts, and then through mock drafts or through the
television shows, you go, oh, they've been talking about this
guy's like a late first round pick, A second round pick.
Then all of a sudden he gets drafted eighth. You're like,
what just happened? Get ready for that?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Buckle up?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
And the same thing with these quarterbacks, Like if one
of these other quarterbacks gets drafted above Shador Sanders, I
can see that coming is gonna happen. I don't know,
but it's definitely possibility. So he is going to work
out a private workout, which again the Rams and Gladstone,
now with the Jacks, do not do. They don't do
any of these private workouts, which I'm sorry. I value

(21:19):
my private workouts. I do like my position coaches that
I trust. If I got Jeff Stoutlin, I like Jeff
Stotland to work out these offensive linemen and say I
like this guy, I don't like this guy.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I can work with this guy.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now. I don't want any position coach just going to
work them out. But if Douce Staley's my running back coach,
he can work out as many running backs as he
wants because I feel comfortable with his ability to to
translate who's going to be a good and bad player. Now,
not every coach knows what the fuck they're talking about,
so I'm not sending out everybody. So I would pick
and choose the position coaches that I trust as a

(21:53):
GM and as a head coach. But every staff is
going to have some of them, and the good ones
are gonna have more than others. But this workout is
pretty important for Shador Sanders because if it does go well,
two things. One, maybe he could convince them let's just
take this guy at three, or like, hey, listen, if
this guy starts slipping a little bit and he's there
in I would say the mid teens, would we trade

(22:16):
back up into the first round and give a following
year's first round pick to move up and get Shador Sanders.
Because if you're a team, especially like somewhere between fifteen
in the early twenties, and the Giants are willing to
come up from the second round and they will give
you a twenty six first rounder, you go, there's a
decent chance the Giants suck. So if their quarterback room

(22:40):
is Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, and Shador Sanders, it's probably
more likely they win five or six games than ten
or eleven games. So I would do that deal all
day long in a draft that's not viewed as great.
But if you're Shador, I mean, this is a great
moment like this is. There's not a better job interview
if you are a player than a private world out
with the head coach and the play callers. I mean,

(23:03):
I guess he's the same, well kind of he goes
back and forth calling plays. But you know what I mean,
the coaching staff, the GM standing right there watching you.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Work out, so hopefully it goes well.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
And you know, the Sanders there are no dummies that
they know the power of the New York market. A
lot of money to be made getting drafted the Giants.
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Okay, that'll end the football portion of the podcast, and
we're going to do a little go low on the
second part of this little show, talk some masters with Rory,
a little gambling about this upcoming event, the Arbace Heritage,
and as well as take your guys questions. So at

(25:38):
golopod as the Instagram, We're going to answer a bunch
of mailbag questions that I've got over the last seven
ten plus days. So this will be golf moving forward.
But I did want to start with this because I've
thought about this for a long time. You know, football basically,
I mean, there are a couple examples, and now with
the international program, teams are allowed a lot of extra

(26:00):
spot but basically everyone that plays in the NFL is
born in America, plays college football, and I would say large,
large percentage, close to like ninety nine percent. Their families
live in this area too, so they get to stay here,
they get to make money, here. It's a pretty easy
transition where in basketball and in baseball. To make the

(26:24):
most money possible, if you are a great player, you
have to come from Cuba, from the Dominican, from Japan,
from wherever, and come to America in baseball. Or look
at Eastern Europe, Djokich, Luka. All the international players who
have become stars have to come to America to play.

(26:46):
It's why Djokich takes a bunch of shit for I
don't know why I'm saying Jokich Jokic to leave in
the offseason and he goes immediately right when the season
ends to go hang out at home and races horses,
enjoys it.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, yeah, I would too.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
He did not choose, like if all things were equal, right,
he would have just stayed in his home country and
made fifty million dollars a year and played in the
best league possible. But that doesn't exist. Think how many
of us are so lucky that we can excel in
our profession, help in the town we grew up in,

(27:24):
let alone, the choice to kind of move wherever we
want to do in this country and make money. That
is not the case if you're a professional athlete in
baseball or basketball internationally, you got to come to America
because that's where the cash is. And it's no different
in golf the PGA Tour. While it is a worldwide sport,
the majority of the money on that tour beside a

(27:44):
couple events a year, and they don't own the Open
is played here. So guys like Rory and Shane Lowry
and Tommy Fleetwood and the list goes on and on,
back to when I was a kid. Guys like Ernie
Els or Ratief Goosen or Padrick Harrington. We're not born here,
but they were some of the best players and they
moved here to play on the PGA Tour. And it

(28:06):
can't be the easiest transition, you don't know. Imagine if,
like John, the only place you can have success podcasting
would be you have to move to Germany. Like that
wouldn't be my first choice. But if I want to
do this and I could have a lucrative career and
this is what I'm good at, it's like, what would
be my other options? And Rory McElroy the moment after

(28:29):
he won the Masters of Walking Up and the hug
he gave with Shane Lowry, which anyone that follows the
sport knows like they've been friends for a long long
time and on full swing. They talked about it, their relationship,
and it was I've only watched like, I think, like
three episodes actually downloaded on.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
The plane when I got married to Nashville.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
But their relationship seems like pretty cool and seems pretty
special and seems kind of important when you're not from
here to have people in your life that can relate
to you and view you not as the multi million
dollar superstar, but as like the guy that Yeah, I
remember when we were fourteen and both of us had

(29:11):
nothing and we were just hitting balls on some crappy
range in Ireland. And obviously the relationship you know, Tommy
Fleetwood or Justin Row, some of these guys he didn't
grow up around. But from an international standpoint, most of
these individuals live in America, and I actually think Tommy
Fleetwood live in Dubai, which maybe it's a different player,

(29:33):
but most of these guys live in Florida, and I
just think we don't talk about that enough of like
that can't be easy, now, I get it.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
These guys.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
It's not like the language barrier like you would have
for Shoheu Tani or you know someone from the Dominican.
But I just think about and listen, I live in
a state that are where people I didn't grow up
are around me. But many of you that listen that
have either in law or your parents, or your brothers

(30:02):
and sisters or even close friends in the vicinity of
where you live.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Like that is.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
It can have its disadvantages, but it definitely can have
its advantages. And at times, especially in your lower moments,
you know you seek some comfort, you need some comfort.
And Rory talked about it with his Caddy, who's one
of his best friends since he was like seven or
eight years old, who's taken a lot of crap over
the years for not being like a good enough caddy.

(30:28):
Even though I think Rory's success kind of speaks for
itself of like, yeah, it's kind of important in a
place where you don't know that many people. I would
probably do the same. And now I think, big picture,
when you look at this player, the best part about
individual sports are where a guy chases greatness. I mean,

(30:51):
the biggest individual of my lifetime would be Tiger Woods.
I would say I don't know a close second because
I think Tiger is a lot bigger than Federer, but
I think Roger Feeder would fall under that as well
of just complete dominance. Yeah, I remember watching the documentary
on Federer when other players were like, Hey, he's the
best player I've ever seen. I mean, he's just like
it just doesn't get any better. He's literally great at everything.

(31:13):
I always thought with Federer it's not shocking that him
and Tiger were really close. Obviously they were Nike guys,
but like, did Roger sweat? You know, Tiger One thing
with Tiger he sweated profusely. It's like, God, Tiger, I
mean you are and I'm a sweater too, so I
can relate. I always thought watching Roger Federer a lot
like Kawhi, It's like, is he even sweating? But we

(31:34):
like in individual sports when a guy just dominates and
wipes the floor with everyone else. And I do think
Rory now has an opportunity. And we talked about this
on the Reaction Pod after he won the Masters, and
no one knows and we won't know until the PGA
Championship at Quail Hollow, a tournament and a course that

(31:54):
he's had a lot of success on that if he
kept the pedal to the medal.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Even if he takes this week to.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Rank, hangout, family, screw around, not touch a golf club, whatever.
He could take a couple weeks off, but if he
gets back on the horse, dials back in.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
No one's playing better.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
He in twenty twenty five not debatable best player in
the world. He's won three times now, He's won the Players,
he's won the Masters, He's beat the best players consistently.
Now it doesn't mean, like I know, on the overall
world rankings, Scotty Scheffler's the best player. That's based on
twenty twenty four. As we sit here in the middle
of April twenty twenty five, he's the best player. And
you could argue there has been a little bit of

(32:28):
a gap now Scotty's starting to get a swag back.
But I do think it would be I don't want
to say an underachievement because winning majors are hard, but
it would feel like a disappointment if Rory doesn't at
least win one more major this year. We saw last
year that's very possible. Xander won two and he had
never even won a major. Hell, for a long time,
Zander didn't even win that much. And I'm not saying

(32:52):
the Grand Slam. I don't even not saying that it's
not attainable, but I think it's a little unrealistic. You
have one terrible round at a major, which if you
play in four, you know at sixteen rounds. So if
one of your sixteen rounds you just miss a ball,
ob hit another ball in the water, all of a
sudden you shoot six seventy six, you're probably out of

(33:14):
the tournament. So you could go three or four. But
I do think chasing like immortality now becomes a lot
more realistic. He had kind of the eight hundred pound
guerrilla on his back and listen, I thought it was
going to break his back. We all did on Sunday.
But now that he got over that hump, some of
the devastating losses of recent memory. The US Open, the

(33:38):
British Open at the Old Course a couple of years
ago to Cam Smith that like, I wonder if he
can just be free because he's one of the most
talented players ever. Now he's playing the best he's ever played,
and it's pretty wide open this year Quail Hollow the
opens basically in his hometown, which last time he played it.
I'm pretty sure the first shot of the tournament he

(34:01):
pumped it out of bounds, which was pretty devastating. I
think he went like seventy eight sixty seven or something.
I have to go back and look at Royal Port Rush.
What was that like six seven years ago? Maybe not
even that five six years ago. But I think the
season becomes a lot more fascinating now simply can Rory
win another major and he's gonna be I think when

(34:24):
the betting shapes itself out. I looked right after the
Masters ended, you know, Scotty was like three to one
to win the PGA Championship. Rory's up to five to one.
Would not shock me at all. If Scotty, you know,
continues to be a little bumpy for his standards based
on last year, they're kind of the same by the
time we get to the PGA Championship, both around four

(34:45):
or five to one. I do think Scotty's a little
inflated right now, given that he hasn't won a tournament
this year. I'm not saying he should be ten to one,
but to me, him and Rory should be at a
dead heap going into the next major, and I'd place
that about five six to one, because even when you're
as great as Rory, being a six to one favorite
against a field of one hundred and fifty people is
pretty insane. But he's earned that, and I'm fascinated to

(35:09):
watch now, Like, can this guy you just go chase it?
You know? Can this guy just find himself in a
sweet spot and just rattle off three or four majors
the next couple of years. I'm not saying it's gonna happen.
I wouldn't even bet on it happening, but I definitely
think he's equipped now if he's kind of shook all
the demons that have been carrying over him and hanging

(35:31):
over him to now just go dominate. And golf was
never bigger than when Tiger just dominated. And I'm not
saying he's gonna do it at that level, but like
if he could have a year where he won two
or three majors and won six seven times. I mean,
part of what made Scotty season last year a little

(35:52):
underwhelming is like there was another guy on tour that
won more majors than him in twenty twenty four. It
was like Scotty Scheffler had a Tiger Woods like season
and one one major, which is unreal, but it was
also a major that he'd already won, so it wasn't
like he accomplished something new. And then Xander went out
and won twice. And I remember Justin Thomas at the
end of the year, He's like, what season would you

(36:14):
rather have? And Justin was like, well, you know, as
a guy that's won a lot on the PGA Tour,
I would take the two majors in all the top
guys and I mean all the top guys would take
the multiple majors. Now, there are countless players on the
PGA Tour that would easily take six to seven wins,
sixty million dollars and a Master's but Jordan Speed, Justin Thomas, Ludwig,

(36:37):
all the top guys, John Rahm, you named Bryson would
take two majors in a year, even if it meant totally,
you know, I think when it was all said and done,
Xander made close to thirty and Scottie doubled them. Which again,
all these guys are filthy rich. So is that money
changing his life? Not necessarily, But I really hope for.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
The game of golf.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I think the best case scenario for the sport now
that we're in this kind of world where the tours
are split and we only see these guys, would be
you know, Rory to at least even if he won
this next major and just give the buzz to win
the Grand Slam going into the US Open. But honestly,
if he just had a season where he won like
three or four majors, I think it would immediately validate

(37:19):
him as like we started talking like he was won
the top five players of all time, because how often
I think Jack and Tiger are the are the guys
that went the longest between majors. You know, Jack was
seventy five to eighty six, Tiger was eight to nineteen.
Like eleven years between majors is a long time. If
you look historically, most top players win most of their

(37:41):
majors in a short period of time, in a three
or four year span. Hell, you look at Phil He
won augusta O six, He won the Masters in four
six in twenty ten, so basically in a six year span,
and he threw another PGA championship in there as well.
He won the Open a little bit later, and obviously

(38:03):
out of nowhere won the PGA championship a couple of
years ago at fifty years old, which no one saw coming.
But for the most part, guys take advantage when they're
really hot, is why there was a ton of pressure.
You know, Bryson won a couple of US Opens. John
Rahm won a Master's in the US Open in a
short period of time. You know, Koepka won his two

(38:25):
US Opens and his two PGA championships really really close together.
It was cool about, you know, seeing him win the
PGA a couple of years ago. But I think it's
pretty important right now for Rory to pounce while the
getting is good. On a gambling standpoint to this weekend,
I do think JT is gonna win this year, and

(38:46):
right now, going into the RBC's Heritage he's twenty to one.
I think you remove Rory now. Scotty is the defending
champ and he is basically what he always is three
three plus three fifties. So you gotta bet one hundred
dollars to win three fifth, which is insane in golf.
He easily can win this week, but I think JT
is gonna win now. Is he gonna win this week?

(39:07):
I don't know, but I basically parlayed him. I think
last year he was fourth in this event. So he's
had success and he's playing really well. I'm out on
JT and majors like it's just kind of undeniable in
at the Masters, at the US Open, at the British Open,
you just can't feel great about betting on Justin Thomas.
But in these regular events and in these elevated events,

(39:29):
he has brought a really high level of play. I
think a top ten for JT to me as an
auto bet, and then two other guys. You know, Jordan
Speith has won year before. I think in twenty twenty
two he wanted a playoff against Patrick Cantley. Jason Day
finished top twenty last year. If you parlay JT to
top ten with Speith and Day to top twenty, you

(39:51):
can get a little above ten to one odds. So
I threw that out there on my socials, I'm throwing
that down. I'm also sprinkling a little on Ludwig as well,
but I like JT and I like Ludwig to definitely compete. Now, Scotty,
if you want to take that, I don't blame you.
You would think Scotty's gonna win sooner or later, but
it's just hard for me to hammer Scotty at plus

(40:12):
three fifty. I did want to get to some mail
bag questions at Golopod. At Golopod is the Instagram, So

(40:33):
I'm gonna bang out a bunch right now. Question for
the mail bag watching the Masters and witnessing Dunlop shoot
a ninety. I had this debate all the time with
my buddy, who is a scratch golfer, and I tell
him he wouldn't break ninety there. He disagrees, What do
you think you're shooting from the Master toos? Well, depends
if your buddy's like a scratch and play it at

(40:55):
like USC or the University of Texas, then like, yeah,
he could go there and excel. But if your buddy's
a scratch golfer and just was like I played in
high school, I picked up the game and I'm just
a good player now at my country club or at
where I play, he'd have absolutely no chance in Master's
conditions to shoot ninety none, I think from their te's

(41:18):
I'm not a good putter. I'm a really really bad putter.
So even if my irons and woods were working. There's
no way I could break one hundred. I would never
be able to put on those greens. They're just too fast.
I would three putt in. I would three and four
putt every green. It would be a miracle to two
putt some of those greens. The other thing is, I guess,

(41:40):
depending on how I'm swinging, I don't hit the ball
that high. Well, if you can't hit the ball really
high there, how do you hold the greens? So I'm
like a four or five handicap, I wouldn't. There's no
way i'd break a hundred, especially the first time some
of those lies you got to my ball. I don't
naturally hit a draw. I mean, ideally it's a cut.

(42:03):
You gotta work the ball right to left there. I
don't necessarily know how to do that consistently. And if
I do, sometimes I duck hook it. It'd be in
the trees. I think, your buddy, that's just scratch golf.
For I'd bet a thousand dollars right now from their teas,
their pins, their conditions, no fucking way. Two ninety How
long did it take you to actually feel like you

(42:25):
can confidently swing off the box in the fairway and
on the green. I'm two and a half years into
golf and I'm twenty five. It just seems impossible with
a full time job to become semi good at the game. Yeah,
I mean it's tough. I mean I don't think you
ever feel completely confident. I think you do some rounds
when you're playing well, but half the time you're terrified
over the ball. You're like, I don't know what's gonna happen.

(42:46):
I don't know what's gonna go. I think that's what
makes the game so fun is that even the best
players struggle. So if you have a full time job,
like most humans do that play golf, it's gonna be
very differ. And most of us, including myself, like I
don't really practice that much. I just kind of play.
The only way to get better at golf is practice

(43:06):
and play. So I think you just got to live
with it. One thing I've really tried to do is,
you know, over the last month, I've shot eighty eight
and I've shot seventy six, and I guess there was
one blow up actually in one hole, which I regret
is kind of embarrassing. Now, granted we were gambling, but
through a hat, through a little tantrum. It was kind

(43:27):
of just I've been getting made fun of by the
guys I was playing with since. But it's like, try
to enjoy yourself. Like you get outside, you get some
fresh air. Especially most of us work inside. Right, It's
just it's just an enjoyable experience. So, yeah, you're gonna
suck or not be very good. Plus you're twenty five.
Like the best part about golf is at twenty five

(43:49):
years old, assuming you stay relatively healthy, you're gonna be
able to play potentially for the next fifty plus years.
You're not gonna be able to play tennis that long.
You're not gonna be able to you know, most physical activity, definitely,
even workouts are gonna have to dramatically change as you
get older. So it's probably the only activity you're gonna

(44:09):
be able to do in your seventies potentially eighties. Hell,
Gary Player had the first t shot at the Masters.
He's ninety years old. Uh finished watching Rory put on
the green jet. As I was rooting for Rory during
the playoff, I couldn't help but wonder about his conservative
approach after he had a four shot lead. I remember
Tiger putting a stranglehold on leads, but I don't think

(44:31):
the Tour had the same abundance of talent. Obviously, if
he executes a little better, Rory would have been fine.
But I can't help. But second guess is thinking. My
question is do you agree with a conservative approach? And
if so, how much do you think you need to
have going to the back nine to start playing conservative? Well,
I think that's what makes Augusta unique is starting on

(44:53):
the back nine. I mean, if a guy gets hot,
he can either birdy ten or eleven, which by no
means or a lock. It's probably easier to birdy ten
than eleven. But you can birdy ten. You can birdy
your egle thirteen, you can birdy your egle fifteen, you
can you can birdy fourteen. You definitely can birdy sixteen.

(45:14):
You know eighteen on Sunday, like, if you hit a
good drive, very vertiable, so you can have huge swings
on the back nine at Augusta. And I think if
you're Rory, like, you play a draw, so it's pretty
easy to just play your draw and then go for it. Okay,
you hit it in the drink the water. A red

(45:35):
steak penalty is not out a bounce, you can drop
the ball. You're chipping four and worst case scenario you
get a bogie. But when you lay up and something
disastrous happens, as did to Rory, double comes into play.
So I think I've heard some people argue is like,
the chances of him messing up that chip in that

(45:57):
situation are slim to none. And I would say, yeah,
except he did. So you hit it in the you
hit it in Ray's Creek, which the dude from Asu
took a leak in who called it a river, it
would be the smallest river in the history of rivers.
That I just think on that whole, whether you're up
ten or whether you're even par with someone, I think

(46:19):
that I think it's just an auto go for these guys,
especially Rory, who works the ball right to left like
that's his shot. Just let it rip, and worst case
scenario for him, like the chance of him going to
his w in the water on a second shot probably
not that high. Now, he could he could pull it
to the left part of the green, to the sand,

(46:40):
to the left side of the operation, but he's flying
the water. So I think if he'd have that back,
I don't think we'll ever see him lay up again
like that, And I don't think there's a number where
you lay up. Maybe if you're up like ten, but
three or four. One thing we've seen proven is you
can have three four shots swings in a couple holes
at the back nine there. My question is, do you

(47:02):
think we'll ever see anyone win four Majors in a
single season, Excluding Bobby Jones obviously, Tiger won three in
two thousand and there have been multiple double major winners
in a season. I don't think it'll ever be done.
But at the same time, I'm sure people in their
seventies and eighties thought Jack Nicholas would record would be
broken when Tiger came along. Yeah, I think it's probably

(47:23):
pretty unlikely. I think the best case scenario we could
see would be Tiger, you know, three Majors in a year.
I mean Xander won two. I think Scotty definitely could
do it. I think Rory it's definitely possible this year.
I mean, he's gonna be assuming everything, he stays healthy
and his game stays in form I mean he is

(47:43):
going to be heavily favored and bet on to win
the PGA Championship and the British Open now the US
Opens at Oakmont. I have a good family friend and
good buddies, Tyler and Scottie. Tyler played at UC Davis,
really good player, and in twenty sixteen he qualified. He

(48:05):
Monday qualified, played in the US Open. His brother Scotty
caddied for them for him then and I text him
the other day Scotty.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I said, how hard is this course?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Like, would Bryson have any chance hitting his irons like
he did at the US Open?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
He said, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
You bogie any hole.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Humit.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
It is a I think some people consider it one of,
if not the hardest major course in the country. So
in that scenario, it you know, Rory could be play
okay and good and loose. It's just the US Opens
a really weird Pinehurst's a unique setup, So was lacc
this one?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Like, I don't know. I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I don't feel confident gambling on Rory to win that,
but I think the PGA Championship and the Open. I
think if he doesn't win one of those two, it's
going to be disappointing. So I'd say threes on the table.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I'm with you for.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
That'd be insane if Rory were to do it, though,
it would uh, it would take him to legendary status
pretty quick. Have you ever taken Maria golfing with you?
If so, does she like it? And how do you
like it? You know, I try to separate church from state,
but I've taken her a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
She has clubs.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I've played with her. One time she had a friend
who who brought another dude and we played who was
actually a good player. We had a good time, had
some beers. It's pretty pretty lax. She's, you know, play
a couple holes and then kind of get bored. It's
hard because, like we talked about her, she's she never plays,
so she it's very challenging.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
It's hard to hit the ball.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It becomes if you never play and then go try
to play. And I like take her to TPC Scottsdale.
The holes really long. The desert, especially here in Arizona.
It's like if you crank one, you're in a cactus.
It's just not a fun activity if you don't play
and you suck. So she'd rather just have a cocktail

(49:56):
and hang out. If you could play one round with
any current top pro, who would it be and why, uh, well,
could I shoot it for the YouTube page? Because if
I could do that, I would probably I would even
do Bryson as a little collab. I mean, you take
his couple million followers, or I do someone that doesn't
typically do that type stuff. You know, Rory took a

(50:18):
shot at the YouTubers, And if you told me I
could do it like this Friday, play with someone, it'd
be a no BRAINERD be Rory McElroy. But I think
Bryson'd be pretty high up there. I think Scotty would
be big. But yeah, I think I think Rory or
Bryson is the choice. What's your two cents on why

(50:39):
live guys fell off their game when they switched, thinking
of Rom and Koepka. Do they not have enough competition
to keep them motivated? Do they have enough money and
they don't see the reason to pursue greatness anymore? I
think Rom showed signs of life after the first round,
which he basically shot himself out of the tournament on
the first round. I do think it's hard when you're

(51:00):
playing in events that don't matter, like all these guys, Rom, Koepka, DJ,
They've won the biggest events in America, They've won the
biggest PGA tournaments from the waste Management to Memorial to
Rive to Torrey Pines to Majors, and then they go
to live and they were really like, none of it matters.

(51:22):
And they also got hundreds of millions of dollars. So
think about yourself. If you have a job that takes
a lot of energy and a lot of focus, and
I pay you fifty x whatever you're making to do
the same job somewhere else, but also the outcome of
whatever you're doing, whether it does is a good job

(51:44):
or bat doesn't matter. You would just like Iron shirpens Iron.
So like, look at the major champions over the last
four majors, Bryson, who is very driven right now, clearly,
I mean Bryson is just a driven guy. But you
remove Bryson, the last five majors are Xander, Shoffley's one two,
Scotty's one another, and Rory. So it's like those guys

(52:09):
are playing against each other constantly, where yeah, Rom and
Koepka DJ are playing against each other, but it's like,
how do they take it seriously? Shotgun starts three rounds.
I don't even blame them if I was Keopka, How
could I possibly be as dialed you couldn't. DJ clearly
doesn't even give a shit, which again I don't blame him.

(52:31):
I think it's probably bothering rom a lot. But like,
how does he dial in? Like what's he supposed to do?
He's used to? Like? How do I get ready? Well?
I play Tory Pines, I play riv I play the
Waste Management, I play the Players, and then going into
the Masters, I'm pretty dialed in. And then I just
go on the rotation of the top tournaments. I play
the RBC Tritage, I play the Memorial. Well, now it's

(52:53):
like I'm playing some random course in Chicago. Again, that's
what the money was for. Though, would it be possible
to get daily round recaps for all the majors from you?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
This year?

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Also sad to see Rory's day fall apart. Would anyone
have expected Justin Rose to have the day he had? No,
they wouldn't. I think the problem for what I do is,
you know, from a podcast standpoint, it would kint. For
a video standpoint, it's not a terrible idea. Maybe I

(53:28):
could do like a ten minute recap, but I usually
try to you know, we Lully snoring right there. For
those of you watching, you can see her. For those
of you listening, dogs on the on the couch. Just
saw on logs it's a birthday tomorrow. So I brought
her into the office and sat her on the couch

(53:50):
and she just fell asleep. But everything we do gets
double distributed on one on video and one on audio,
and there's a lot of work. The other thing is
on Thursday, you know, we tend to do a Friday
podcast that's revolving around football. But yeah, I mean I've

(54:10):
thought about it. I obviously like the No Laying Up
guys do it, the Shotgun Stark guys do it. I
follow a lot of their content, but I also have
you know, I do a unlike that these other people
in golf, like I do football year round. So I'm
constantly podcasting NonStop. If I don't want to get a divorce,
I have to kind of give some time to my

(54:33):
ever growing family. Whose bag do you think would be
the most fun to caddy for on the Live Tour
or on the tour or live what guys? The perfect
mix of fun but would also win big and make
you a lot of cash. Phil Bryce and Aberg and
Homa pre this season, all seemed to be awesome, big
winners and would totally grab a beer with you after,
whereas Marikawa, Rory, J. T. Speith would be too stressful

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and Scotty wins a ton but seems too vanilla of
a guy. I think you're underestimating the stress level would.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Be high on any of these guys.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
You know, Phil is fifty years old, but I think
Phil would have been fun in twenty years ago. Let's
face it, if you were going to do it, you
would go all the way in the last twenty five.
It'd be no doubt you would want him do Tiger Woods.
I mean, it wouldn't even be a question. I would
say the next guy. I think it'd be like Rory

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or Phil. You would just you would choose the top guys.
It's why a couple of years ago the dude left
Ricky Fowler went to Tom Kim. It was like, oh,
this guy's you know, upgrading a new younger guy. And
then Ludvig became available and Joe left Tom Kim immediately
went to Ludvig. So I think as a caddy, none

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of these guys, you know, I listened to a lot
of PGA tour radio, like when I'm driving around and
listen to like Rocko and guys like that have shows
Lucas Glover. The day and age of these guys, like
going out for beers on Wednesday and Thursdays and Friday
like does not exist. So if you became a caddie,

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you would just want the best player possible. Like you,
you're not. You might hang out with them sometimes on
like Monday or Tuesday during the round and you're cool.
But I just think you would want the best talent.
I think it's just that simple. I don't even I
think you're overthinking a little bit. You kind of want
the perfect world. It's like you want her to be hot,
you want her to be skinny, you want her to

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cook clean, You wanted to make a lot of money
as well, great mother. It's like that, that's not really
the way it works. I think you would just choose
best player possible. So to me, in twenty twenty five,
if Rory's not available, who would be here? I think
Ludwig be the next choice. Young long future career. Now.
I think guys like like Jordan Spieth, he actually seems

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pretty cool and pretty fun, but like you said very stressful.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And too not that good anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Scotty, I probly che Scotty, like, yeah, Scotty hit a
iron here and then he hits at five feet. I
would just I wouldn't overthink any of the other stuff.
I would just choose who are my best players. I
would just choose the best player because I think the
way that historically we looked at it, like you get
to play with those guys, it's or hang out with

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those guys doesn't exist. Why did the Masters coverage not
put Bryson in a feature group last year? Brooks was
in one after winning the PGA Championship. Bryceon is the
reigning US Open champion, easily a top five player in
the world and probably the third most popular player behind
Rory and Tiger. Is it that he went to live?
Is he he is more entertaining to watch? And why
doesn't the broadcast start earlier? Well, the broadcast doesn't start

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earlier because the Masters dictates the terms. I do think
a couple of years ago, Bryson took some shots at
Augusta called it a par sixty seven, and like, these guys,
don't forget that. You know, there are rumors that They
basically told the kid that pissed in the creek, like,
you're never coming back here. You're done. You're done here, buddy.
Now if he gets so good and starts to win tournaments,

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that they're not gonna be able to do it. But
like it is a very and listen, I mean this
with all due respect. If there are any Green Jackets listening,
I love your club. I view it like heaven, and
if it's ever available, I would love to come play.
But it is by far. You know, it's as stiff
as it gets. And I've heard stories about former athletes.

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One that might be a member. There are kind of
a famous quarterback that's got a tongue lashing, like they
don't give a shit. It has nothing. It's one of
the rare super exclusive clubs that, in a weird way,
money doesn't mean shit. The hardest part is getting in
and it has nothing to do. Obviously, you got to
be rich and famous or whatever or powerful to be

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in the mix. But it's not like the dues and
the down payment to get in. It's not like it's
ten million to join. I've heard it's like, yeah, it
doesn't even matter. We might not even have to cut
a check and there aren't really dues there. I think
it's complicated how that works. It's not like your typical club.
But they do not screw around. They just do not.

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And I think the phone policy speaks for itself. In
what world can you not have phones? Think about that? So,
I just think that Bryson's pissed him off years ago
and they don't forget and his comments regardless of how
well he did last year. You think those guys care
that he has two million followers on YouTube? Like they

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just do not care at all? What is on the
notepad for the players that they bust out? What do
they have on the notepad? Would love to know more.
What sport do you think is more mentally focused than golf?
So much time with your thoughts, how do these players
prepare for that? And what's a good type of golf? Bet?
I think top tens and top twenties are always easy.

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I think the only way you mentally prepare for anything
is to practice as hard as possible. No different than football.
It's why you go full go in practice. You know
in basketball they don't practice anymore, but historically, like practice
and scrimmages were pretty intense you know, in baseball, getting ready,
you do live VP and stuff like that. In golf,
the only way you can prepare is to actually play

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and put pressure. It's why these guys gamble. It's not
necessarily to like bet other guys. It's like put pressure
on putts and put pressure on shots. So I think
you just build up mental reps on like I would
imagine when you're young in pro golf, when you first
get out to the PGA Tour, having thousands of people
watch you is pretty nerve wracking. Well, one thing you notice,

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like after a while, all these guys, whether you're Rory
or whether you're the random guy in the tournament, are
unfazed by the crowd that they are because you become
you become used to it. And I think the mental
focus you become at least understand what you have to
do to dial in. And some of that's pre shot routine,
some of that's keeping the same tendencies. Some of that's breathing.

(01:00:58):
You know, Rory's talked a lot of about keeping your
mouth shut in tournaments. Breathing through your nose calms you down.
And those books, you know, the Masters don't allow green
reading books, so it's a lot of just notes from
your practice rounds, yardages. Just I don't know I've better
changes player to player, but it's just notes based on

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playing that hole throughout the week and throughout the years.
I saw a video of Jordan talking about mudballs. He
was saying, you're not allowed to talk about mudballs and

(01:01:43):
how it affects the ball flight contact with the club face.
If that's the case, why aren't more guys that come
out and complain about it. I feel like he's just
complaining because his play is not good recently. I agree
he's not wrong. You're not supposed to use the word mudballs.
A couple of years ago when they had the Masters
in twenty twenty, in the fall obviously was wet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
They called it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Organic matter, I think was the term they used. I
did think he came off pretty bitter. It's like Jordan
does Rory having mudballs is justin Rose having mudballs? Has
Bryson been having mudballs like that's something? Now he's in
a unique position because he's won the tournament and he
owns a green jacket. It's like they don't like that shit,

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and these people have a lot of power. It's like
a secret society, but it's not secret, so I would
imagine he pissed a lot of people off by saying it,
because you're right, it did come off. It didn't impact Rory,
like Rory didn't say, you know, I'm thirteen, why hit
it in the creek mudball. I'm with you there, first
time sending you a note other than I love the

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dabble in my two favorite things other than my wife,
obviously football and golf. I've always loved Rory, certainly because
of his talent, charisma, etc. However, I didn't realize until
the Masters, why you so likable by the masses, at
least in my opinion. I'm a scratch golfer, and I'm
in awe of his prowess with the driver and overall talent.
It's truly something that average golfer can't comprehend. Totally agree

(01:03:11):
Rory's flying the ball three hundred and thirty yards. He's
five to nine. I mean, Bryson's big, DJ's big Kopka
looks like a line by Roy's tiny, But the couple
wedges at thirteen and the other short miss putts make
him seem human, so we admire his superhero talent. Yet
are endured because he is still quote unquote one of

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us other than Phil. Can you think of any other
athlete that is a comp I think in golf, Jordan
Speeth when he's playing well is a lot like that,
because Jordan can have like seven straight birdies and then
he can have two straight triples. So I think Jordan
has always had a Phil like quality too. You didn't

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know what was gonna happen, which anytime you can have
a I don't know what's gonna happen Tiger, you knew
it was inevitable. Even Mahomes and Brady they might not
always win the Super Bowl, but it's like, yeah, they're
gonna win this game.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
It's like inevitable, they're gonna win this game.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
I mean, this Chief season was I guess they threw
the last game, but they went fifteen and two, and
it was like by October you're like, yeah, they're not
gonna lose this. Yeah they're gonna figure it out like
the Broncos miss a kick. And he's like, it's inevitable.
That's the thing with golf. It's just beside Tiger, it's
not inevitable. And you never know Phil Rory anythinking app Jordan.

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Remember last time he won the Open when he beat Coocher,
he pumped it. I forget where they were playing, but
he pumped it like seven holes to the right and
then still knocked it on and then he made the
putt and he pointed at Greller to get the ball
out of the hole. So I think anytime an athlete
is quote unquote relatable, it makes it more powerful. I mean,

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I would say the most powerful or popular and definitely
most lucrative athlete that does like studio television not even close,
is Charles Barkley. And I would say Charles number one
quality is like he feels like a guy easy to
have a conversation with. And whenever he tells the story,

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it's like Charles, where did you get that ring you're wearing?
Or Charles, where did you get that whatever? And he's like,
oh this guy my Jim Sauna Ga. You know, it's
just he can just tell stories. Like Charles Barkley feels
like a human being that if you ran into at
the store at the gas station at the seven to
eleven grabbing some Dorito's and a coke zero, no free ads.

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But that's usually my order if I'm feeling a little frisky.
You could just have a five minute conversation with Charles Barklay,
and I think Rory feels like that. I think Steph
Curry has always had that element. He just seems like
an easy guy to talk to. And you know, some
people can fake it, right. I love Peyton Manning, but

(01:05:53):
some people think, you know, it's like him and Phil
have this quality. Can they fake it a little bit?
I don't know. I mean, I would love to talk
to Peyton or Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I take my chances.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
But depending on who you talk to, you rarely hear
anyone say anything negative, like yeah I met Steph Curry
was a dick. Yeah I met Charles Barkley, total asshole.
It ran into Rory wouldn't talk to me, like that's
that story doesn't exist. Yet. You get Michael Jordan like
most of my which makes him like this legendary figure.
Same with Tiger. It's like Tiger took the Navy seals

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out for cheeseburgers and then made them pick up the check.
So I was like, what, But he's so good. It's
like we overlook it. That's why I was so stupid
about the story that when viral of Bryson going, yeah,
Rory didn't talk to me. Well, yeah, Bryson, it's Sunday
at the Masters and Rory is a two shot lead.
Did you want him to give like a breakdown of

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what he feeds his daughter? Like, what do you think
he was gonna say? It's how Tiger became a legend.
He wouldn't talk to anybody. Tony Fenales talked about this
countless times, Like Tony tried to like say something to
him in twenty nineteen about his kids and Tigers, just like, yeah,
wouldn't knock to him. And obviously in by twenty nineteen
that had been the number one driving like a storyline

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with Tiger most of his career he didn't say anything
to anybody and play dominant mining games. So yeah, yeah, Bryson,
Rory probably doesn't like you that much. One and two,
He's just trying to win this thing. I wouldn't be
talking much either, and I talked for a living. Okay,
last question here, my question in the wake of the Masters,

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in this if peak Tiger was one hundred out of
one hundred, how would you rate peak Rory? How about Bryson,
Scottie and others past or present? I find it fun
to put golfers into context. Well, if Tiger, let's do
this ten out of ten, I would say, and let's

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do the twenty five years. I would say the guy
with the highest rating would be, you know, the peak
of Tiger, perfect golfer. The next would be Phil and
I would say Phil would be like nine point two,
like feels not even, it feels not. It feels getting
a minus, right, If Tiger's in a plus, so then

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you have to base it off that. I would say
Rory's like a nine out of ten. I would put Scotty.
Scotty's had moments last year, but he's won the same
major twice. Again, these are really I mean, if Tiger
is a ten out of ten, that the standard doesn't
get any higher. I would say Scotty eight point six,

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Bryson below him at like eight point two. And again,
these are insane standards, right, you know Bryson. Bryce is
an excellent plutter in obviously distance elite, but he can
get pretty squarely, I mean balls. Even last year at
the US Open, he was pumping balls all over the place. Now,

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at any moment, he can pump it down the fairway
and knock it five feet on a six hundred yard hole,
like that's his superpower, and so can Rory. But I
would say Rory is dramatically straighter than Bryson, and his
wedges have gotten much better. So like we're seeing peak Rory,
Like this is peak Rory, and to me, he this
peak version is close to Phil. Shows you how great

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Tiger was. I would say, Bryson, we haven't seen peak
Bryson yet, potentially, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Mean, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I mean, if this is as good as he gonna be,
this is damn good. But if he is gonna get
a higher number and be close to Rory or Phil,
he can't really work the ball right, which to me
like part of what makes Tiger a ten out of ten.
And I'd say the same with Phil. They had ever
shot in the back from t all the way to
the hole, every single shot left and right, high and low. Like,

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let's face it, Bryson is gonna sound like a shot,
it's not. He's a one trick pony. He plays a
power draw, he hit and cuts right Rory again. Obviously
his go to shot is the draw, but you see
him play the cut off the tee played it on
eighteen in regulation and then again in the playoff. Like

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Bryson doesn't hit that shot, I mean he just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Which is there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
An evolution where Bryson's ever gonna work the ball both ways? Now,
just because you work the ball both ways doesn't mean
you're like some dominant player, right j T has every
shot in the bag, and he's all over the map sometimes.
But I would say Tiger ten out of ten, Phil
probably ninety two out of ten. I'd start Rory in
the nines. I'd give him a nine zero, which I

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mean if he goes on to win like three Majors
this year, maybe we put him right there with Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
But everyone else's start with an eight. For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
The volume