Go Low - Justin Rose’s DRAMATIC Win, Scheffler’s “Clockwork” Dominance, LIV Chicago, Fleetwood Melts Down

John begins with Scottie Scheffler’s “clockwork” dominance on a tournament to tournament basis despite not winning the FedEx St. Jude Championship, and Justin Rose’s dramatic win in the playoff. He still maintains faith that Tommy Fleetwood will finally get a win despite another meltdown, and reacts to Bryson DeChambeau’s comments about struggling with his distances in windy conditions.He recaps his experience at the LIV Tour event in Chicago, and wraps up the episode with a mailbag.

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pod dive into Tommy Fleetwood, which is just kind of
unexplainable at this point, and I think it touches though
on something powerful about the sport and some gambling thoughts
headed into this weekend. They're playing in Maryland. Colin and
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single week, even if I'm not getting that aggressive, I'll
take a couple hundred bucks and throw some fifty dollars parlays.
It had a pretty good one. I felt pretty good
going into Sunday with Scotty Scheffler winning, Tommy Fleetwood and
Ben Griffin do top ten. I just needed Ben Griffin

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to basically hold serve. He handled business T nine. I
had nothing but faith in Tommy Fleetwood even with a
two shot lead going in, and Scotty Scheffler was going
to win the tournament. Obviously that's not how it played out.
Tommy Fleetwood did implode somehow, justin Rose JJ spond end
up in the playoffs and Scotty's on the outside looking in.
I was texting with someone, we'll dive into Tommy Fleetwood

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here in one second. From a gambling perspective, I do
like my chances every single tournament, taking Scotty Scheffler, who
is such a heavy favorite in golf to win, and
parlaying with some other guys like Tommy Fleetwood, like Ben Griffin.
Cam Young is read hot right now to top ten,
and I just like my chances. Because I was telling

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a buddy the other day that the crazy part and
obviously the drama didn't really include Scotti Scheffler. He was
one miss putt on like a whole fourteen from being
in that playoff against Justin Rose and JAJ Spawn, And
I would say, if Scotti Scheffler is in a playoff,
you're gonna like his chances versus those guys. I also
think there's a big picture conversation over the last twenty

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four months, but maybe even smaller sample size than that,
maybe eighteen sixteen months that despite all the wins Scotty has,
I think he could easily have seven or eight more.
I mean, I think there is probably if you really
talked to Scotty Scheffler, Ted Scott had to leave because
he's got a family emergency, but like if Ted Scott

(05:48):
was there the whole time, they're probably like, honestly, we're
a better Thursday from winning this tournament by four or
five shots. I mean, it is insane, Like what Justin
Rose did was awesome. A J. Spawn has turned into
one of the best American players. The Tommy Fleetwood story,
I mean, honestly, it's riveting human drama that draws us

(06:09):
to sports. But the dominance of this guy, it's like clockwork.
I mean clockwork. He's a Birdie putt away on eighteen
from like being in the playoff It is crazy how
good his floor is right now. Right obviously he doesn't
win every week, but like there's just never a week
where it's like, oh, yes, Scotty, you know, finished seventeenth,

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Scotty finished twenty fourth. I was like tied for third
or only because there's two guys tied going into a
playoff and I'm one shot off, Like they finished sixteen,
I finished fifteen. It's it's insane how high his floor is.
That's why I just think you got a hammer gamble
on him and then parleym with guys you really like too,
top ten or top twenty to kind of boost the

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odds because you know, the plus two twenty I like
a little more in golf. But as we just learned,
like I almost just put one hundred dollar on Tommy
Fleetwood before the tournament at thirty to one. I mean,
this week, obviously it's a shorter field. It's also why
the odds are a little off, you know, on a
guy like Fleetwood yz twenty to one and he's never won.
It's because there's only fifty guys in this field. It

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is pretty insane what is going on with Tommy Fleetwood.
But I was thinking about this, and it gets back
to Colin Morikawa when he got into the tiff with
the media back and forth, and like drew the line
of I don't owe you guys anything, and it's one
of the most laughable, out of touch, moronic, fucking statements
I've ever heard, especially from a golfer. The whole business

(07:39):
model in this sport is really built on the drama
of Sunday. Obviously a golf tournament there's a build up Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
but non majors, the peak of any tournament is on Sunday.
And like any sport, right it's the drama and the

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of the triumph and the thrill of victory is cool
to watch. Justin Rose talked about I watched his press
conference after he won because I think he's you know,
he's the oldest guy to win over the last five years,
not named Phil Mickelson, who was fifty one when he
won the PGA Championship. But we don't see that many
guys in their mid forties late forties winning anymore on

(08:21):
the PGA Tour, because I mean, the talent of guys
from like twenty two to thirty years old is insane.
And we got some guys in the thirties, they're like
all time great players, so it's really really hard for
older guys to win, especially now with the distance boom.
But Rose was saying, you know, typically when you have
like a walk off putt to win a tournament, the
emotional high is unlike anything you feel in golf. You

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just lose it. And there remember the viral moment a
couple of years ago for those of you golf sikos
that in the Ryder Cup, Justin Rose hit that long
putt on eighteen and pointed at every dude on the
team that was sitting on the green. It was a
badass moment, even if you're rooting for America, and there
was nothing like. I mean, no one became more famous
for his antics after game winning putts or tournament winning

(09:07):
putts than Eldrick tiger Woods. Right, there's a thrill of
that JJ Spawd did in the US Open. Nothing is better.
I mean, it is the best moment in golf. But
unlike like in football, if I'm down one point and
I have a forty yard field goal to win the
game with two seconds left, so it's I'm either gonna
win the game in a walk off or lose the game.

(09:28):
It sucks to miss the kick, but it's like did
he choke or he just missed the kick. And a
lot of times in team sports, right like oh I
just I lost Game seven of the World Series and
I was up four runs. Well, my bullpen just imploded.
Two guys gave up two run home runs and they
just got back in like an inning and a half,

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and all of a sudden, we were down, right, we
just lost. We just made some bad plays. Weren't golf.
It's like Tommy Fleetwood had a lead on eighteen earlier
this season against Kegan Bradley and then he hit the fairway.
He is one of the best players on the PGA Tour.
He is a world class player and if you watch
him the majority of tournaments Thursday, Friday, Saturday, he's fucking

(10:10):
unreal and he's made a career off Sundays being way
back shooting like sixty five, sixty six, sixty. He's an
elite player. He's one of the best European players. He's
a big reason a guy like him who's like not
even the third or fourth best player in his own
Ryder Cup team, why a lot of people are gonna
pick Europe to come into New York and beat us
in the Ryder Cup. Yet when that moment happens with

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Keegan Bradley, he hits a terrible approach shot and then
he essentially three putts and Keegan makes a birdie and
he loses. You're like that was kind of a choke job,
but you're like, hey, it's like, how often does this happen?
And then he started looking at the stats, You're like,
Tommy Fleetwood has made over thirty million dollars and never
won a tournament. It was pretty crazy. When Cam Young
a couple of weeks ago won and I was looking

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at his career earnings, I'm like, this guy had made
nineteen million dollars he never won. That's crazy. That had
to be a record. And then you're watching this turn
is a two shot lead going into Sunday, You're like,
Tommy Fleetwood is about to shatter that record because now
he's got some scar tissue of what happened earlier this year.
Even if he doesn't play his best golf, he's gonna
win this tournament. He's got a comfy pairing with his
buddy Justin Rose. And then you watch him sixteen, seventeen,

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and eighteen, and honestly, my first reaction was kind of
to make fun of him, and then he gave an
interview and we talk about, you know, kind of the
agony defeat. There's nothing like in golf because we can
relate to this, right, anyone that shoots ninety, that shoots
eighty five, that shoots is a scratch golfer that shoots
one hundred knows that, like if you have a little

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pressure that you can just unravel. In golf, you're never
gonna throw an important pick against them all pro right,
You're never gonna have to try to get air and
judge out. But you can kind of relate to playing
someone else having a one or two shot lead, again,
regardless what your scores are, playing for ten bucks, one
hundred bucks, whatever, in a moment where you're like, I

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feel a little tight. And we have seen this open
twice to Tommy Fleetwood, and the stats were flying that
Tommy Fleetwood has twenty nine career top fives on the
PGA Tour. The statistical anomaly, now, some of those top
fives clearly are him firing back from starting the day
at seventeenth or fifteenth or tenth and then shooting a

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ground But we have seen twice in the last couple
months Tommy fleet would not just have a good chance
to win legitimately had the lead. He had the lead
on Hoole eighteen of whole seventy two against Kegan Bradley,
and this year he had the lead on Whole sixteen
with three remaining and he can't win. And then he
gave it an interview with tears in his eyes, and

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you went, that's what the business is built on, watching
guys win and watching guys crumble. But then getting this
is all reality television, and whether you're a Tommy Fleetwood fan,
whether you don't really care if you watched him talk
with tears in his eyes after blowing his second fucking
tournament over the course of the last couple of months.

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When we all agree in the rankings and the stats,
he's one of the best players in the world, and
it's like all these random guys have won the last
couple of years, and this guy can just not win
a tournament when it just feels like it's there for
him on a silver platter, and it's not like he
just loses like he's chipping over the green, it runs
off fifty yards hole eighteen, he pumps it into the bunker.

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It's like, what is going on this world class striker
of the golf ball who just Pepper's fairways? Who Pepper's greens?
Is like all over the map? Like how is this
happening to this guy? But in a weird way, It's
like when Jordan Speith became a star. His style was
like he just blasted all over the place. Like basically
everyone I've ever known playing golf can kind of relate

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to that style. He's a very relatable player. Phil Mickelson
same thing, blasted all over the place in the peak
of his career. Now he was incredible at making crazy shots,
but it was a relatable experience. The most relatable moment
for Rory's life was the way he played Sunday at Augusta,
just all over the place. It's like it's like every

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guy I've ever played with, it's like Birdie's one hole doubles,
the next, HiT's in the water, the next It's like
you never know what you're gonna get, Like that is
what we gravitate to. But Tommy Fleetwood giving that interview
was like Colin Moore Kowa wouldn't in a million years
have stood there. He's already told you I don't know
you anything, but he literally owes. All the money that
has provided is because of those moments. All this money

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is from the TV and the sponsors to get to
feel these guys and get us in front of a
couch because they resonate. Tiger Woods is an outlier, even
if we knew nothing about him, right, he was so
great all of us were sitting on our couch even
back then when golf was way less popular to watch
that guy play golf. Most people are not that like

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Phil Mickelson struggles, his inability to win a major, his
inability to win a US Open like that drew us
to Phil. And then obviously you know his wife having cancer,
him flying back to see his daughter like the human
element of Phil Mickelson is what really drew us to Phil.
Unlike Tiger, who's just basically Michael Jordan on a golf course.
And if you watch Tommy Fleet would talk after that

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round where you could see the tears in his eyes.
This is a guy, multi millionaire, who flies on private jets,
who lives i'm sure in a big ass house, who
lives a great life, who is brought to tears because
he literally just choked in front of millions of people,
away his best chance to win a tournament, probably of
his career, right in front of one of his good buddies.

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I can't even imagine what that felt like, but that
made me feel more for Tommy Fleetwood, and I'm more
invested now in Tommy Fleetwood. And this gets back to
Morikawa and kind of that mindset of some of the
players on the American side. I immediately tweeted out, I'm like,
you couldn't have paid a lot of Americans that just
had that moment, especially with his history, to face the

(15:53):
music like that. I mean, listen, like Rory's done enough
to get away with it, but like there was a
moment last year that would I even drawn us more
to Rory after he lost to Bryson d. Chambeau at Pinehurst.
And I think those are the type moments. And this
is the thing with Brian Rollapp, the new CEO of
the PGA tour that comes from the NFL. Do you
think Cam Newton wanted to give a press conference after

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he lost the Super Bowl and everyone is shitting on
him for not jumping on the fumble, of course not.
Do you think if it wasn't contractually obligated he would
have done it? No, But he is, and everyone in
the NFL is, And that's part of the business model.
That's the industry therein. We all have things in whatever
business we're in, whether it's podcasting, whether it's insurance, whether

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it's construction that we fucking hate that we don't want
to do. My wife is literally doing one of those
as I speak, texting me about it in her business.
It's like, welcome to being a grownup. And no one
and this is why Marikow got so crushed, because, like bro,
some stuff is kind of stupid, But we feel for

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a guy who's like this guy can barely make ends meeting.
No one has any sympathy for multimillionaires. That's just the
way the world works, let alone a professional golfer. And
I got a lot of respect for Tommy fleet Wood,
who did this the last time against Keigan Bradley talked
and this time, which I think, for as bad as
that moment was against Keegan Bradley, this felt like five

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times worse. I mean it really did. I mean, one
of his best friends is sitting right there as he's imploding.
He has the tournament by the balls and it just
completely unwraps. Like in fairness against Keigan Bradley, he just
hit one bad shot and then for whatever reason, he
looks like me when a tournament's online with around the

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green right or a putter in his hand, it just
looks terrible. But I just got a lot of respect
for doing that. I really do, because he didn't have
to do it. And I think there's something. I think
there's something really likable about the Europeans. I mean, Justin
Rose is forty five years old. He has made seventy
plus million dollars on the PGA Tour. Who knows how

(18:04):
much he's made off it. I mean, no one. He's
not quite Phil or Tiger, but he drafted off that
area era financially and earned it with the elite plays.
He's one of the best players of his era. But
like at this point in time, if he was just
kind of hanging out, it's like, how is he grinding
this hard? And he even mentioned earlier in the week
he's sick. He has to pull out of the pro am.

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It's like, this is what my advice always is in
the young people. Find what you like to do. Now,
some things that you like to do aren'ting to be
as lucrative as some industries, like Justin Rose playing professional golf.
But when you find whatever you like to do, it
is so much easier to work hard because it doesn't
always feel like work, even though certain things inevitably do right.

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But when you enjoy what you're doing or passionate about
what you're doing, it is so much easier to be
Justin Rose is. I mean, sure there are guys on
the golf on the PGA that don't love golf. Justin
Rose is addicted to playing golf like it is a
passion of his Because at this point in time, why
would he still do it. It's like you hear these
stories about like why is so and so, you know

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still working to run this company? Why is he retires?
It's like he loves it. This is what kind of
gets his juices won. And at forty five years old
and listen, Jj Spond has been a revelation. He looked
he might as well have been like Xander or Scottie.
The way he carried himself. He look confident. I mean,
I thought like Jay Spond's gonna win this thing. But
that was a fantastic, in riveting and explosive ending. But

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there is for as cool as it is to watch
guys have incredible victories, And that's the best part I
would say of sports in general, but specifically golf. What
you know Xander a couple of years ago when he
finally wins his first major in the PGA, that moment
where Bryson hits that bunker shot at Pinehurst, you know,
Rory finally hitting that shot in extra holes of the Masters.

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There's just something special about knocking it in, putting your
arms up. But there's also something really really engaging about
watching someone implode. I mean that there's it's just like
you can't you can't look away, and when that person
is willing to immediately after, at the level in which

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these guys are at talk about it and be candid
and open about it, it's something that I think takes
the game of golf to the next level. And so
props to Tommy Fleetwood for just being a classy individual
but also kind of understanding like where his bread's buttered.
And I think sometimes I always struggle with this when

(20:37):
I hear professional athletes complain it's like you think the
money just comes from the fucking sky. Do you think
it just appears in these massive wires to your account. No,
it's because of the television product. So you got to
give back to the people paying you. It's a give
and take, you know. It's part of being your in
business partnerships. All these things are now revenue new sharing agreements. Right,

(21:02):
We're all have our hands in the cookie jar of
the revenue. And when that's the case, it's one thing.
If hey, I'm just paying you X amount of dollars,
then yeah, it's like you can kind of do what
you want. But like when you're all part of the
revenue agreement, you gotta be good partners. And the NFL,
the players and the teams are great partners to the networks.
There's a give and take back and forth and everyone
profits sometimes in these individual sports. And I don't fall

(21:24):
tennis as much as golf, but in golf they love
pushing back against it. It's like, guys, do you not
understand what's going on here? And sometimes it pains me
as an American. It's like sometimes our guys feels like
don't and sometimes they do, Like justin Thomas is really
good at it. Scotty's been great at it. It's obviously
it's easier when you're kicking everyone's ass, you know. I

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think Bryson is kind of really embraced it and understands
is now that's that's key, Like when you talk about
growing the game, that you gotta play that game because
most human beings, whatever sport they love, are not going
to the games. So that experience that they're going to
their experiences through watching you on TV, is through watching

(22:05):
your interviews on YouTube to watching you know the good
and the bad, and that's what draws human beings to
other human beings. So props to Tommy Fleetwood. I thought

(22:28):
Bryson today was you know, I'll get into Live in
a second, because me and Colin went but that Bryson,
because they're playing in Indianapolis, went to McAfee's show and
he said, you know the thing that he's struggling with
right now, and he said this. When we were in
Chicago last week, the wind was howling. Obviously it's the
windy city, but the wind, specifically at Bowling Brook was

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was pumping and it would have been one of those
where if you were a little off I didn't walk
the course clearly was not easy. I mean guys were
shooting over par that it would eat your life. And
even Bryson admitted today to McAfee, it's like, you know,
one area that Scotty has me by by a wide
gap right now and he's the number one player in
the world and I'm not is his ability to control distances,

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and that's working the ball into the wind. And he's like,
it's one reason I struggled, you know, last week on
Sunday and across the pond at the British Open is
because it gets windy. I'm not great at flighting my eyrons,
and let's face it, a lot of guys are not.
And Scotty's distance control. It's one thing. I like, there's
no wind and you're one hundred and fifty seven yards

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and that's just a full nine iron. Well, that's distance,
You're just hitting a full shot. It's another thing when
the wind's blown twenty three yards and the pin is
tucked to one of the corners of the green and
you got to flight the ball and work the ball
with a wind going the other way. And that's where
you know, Tiger was so much better than everyone else.
He hit every shot in the book. I mean, if

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you watch some of Tiger's teach tapes on YouTube that
he used to do before he shattered his ankle with
like I think golf dot com, he would hit like
three shots for like a low high and middle fade
straight low high and middle straight shot and then a
draw with all three. So he'd had nine shots and

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nine different windows and he had them all. It's why
he's considered the greatest ball striker and iron player of
all time. And a lot of guys don't like they
are great players. And this was a knock on Rory
a couple of years ago. It's like the conditions get
a little off, it starts getting rattled. He actually felt
like spent last summer or last winter working on the
wedges and flight in the wedges, and he came back
to Augusta and was awesome. And I think what Scott's

(24:38):
doing right now, it's insane, Like how can he not
just one week just finish like thirtieth. It happened all
the time to fill the Tiger, to Rory, to whoever,
and he just refused, like, yeah, even if I don't win,
I'm gonna be fourth. Even if I don't win, I'm
gonna be third. Even if I don't win, worst case scenario,
I'm gonna be seventh. So I'm gonna beat the shit

(24:59):
out of basically majority of people in this tournament. And
of a couple guys play at their A game and
I have a B minus game, they beat me by
a shot or two. That's the thing. When he's on,
he wins these tournaments by four shots. Obviously the majors,
he won multiple majors by multiple shots, let alone the
regular tournaments that he won by five shots, seven shots.

(25:21):
Yet their A game, like justin Rose over the weekend
was incredible, and on Sunday down the stretch of that tournament,
like that's like twenty eighteen, number one in the world.
Justin ros Just birdie birdie, Birdie, Birdie, parr birdie, you know,
extra holes par birdie Birdie. It's like Jesus, this guy's
a machine. But like that's what it takes to beat Scotty.

(25:41):
You have to have your A or A plus game,
and he's got to have like a C plus game
and beat you beat him by shot. I mean, it's
they are only so many tame, so many ways you
can kind of give Scotty a reach around here, but
it's pretty wild how much better currently today? As we
said here, he is better than everyone else. And you're seeing, like,
I mean, where you won a major this year? Bryson

(26:03):
easily could have won a couple of his irons weren't
shitty over the weekend, and these guys are like all
time great Hall of Fame players, and he's really separated.
As the season's going on live Chicago, listen, a lot
of people are like, why are you talking about this?
Like they bought space. You know, I love golf, and
they gave me access. They took me to a tournament

(26:24):
where I got to meet Brooks Kopka. I don't know
he won five majors. He the course I play at TPC,
he won that tournament twice. Kind of an important figure
in the history of golf. Sergio Garcia masters champ there
starts talking to us, you know what I mean. PGA
Tour has never given me that access. Now at the
end of the day, like I'm not pretending I'm more
into live at my house on the couch than I

(26:45):
am watching the the TPC Memphis, right, But like when
you are at the event. It is pretty sweet. Now
we got access to go on the driving range. And
I've been to a bunch of PGA turns to mens
and majors over the years, so it's not like I've
never seen professionals hit shots, but we got to see

(27:06):
it five feet away and watch these guys just bang balls.
And I've never been to a driving range of a
professional golf tournament. And obviously they got you know, from
Dustin Johnson to Koepka to rom to Joaquin Neeman. I
didn't see Bryson or Phil hit balls, but even they're
random guys in balls. Like it's watching Koepka just stripe
like three irons. You're like, how's this guy off right now?

(27:28):
He looks fantastic. So it was a very very cool
experience being live there and watching these guys. Now a
reason this works in Chicago like a party city. There
was I don't know, twenty five thirty thousand people throughout
the course. I mean it was jammed. The music thing,
which I originally thought was a little weird on TV

(27:50):
and like not really my cup of tea when you're there.
To me, it adds to the experience. The music adds
to the in person experience. Live is a cool in
person experience I personally and listen, we spent all day
with Scott O'Neill. Who if Scott O'Neil was a stock,
I would bet on Scott O'Neil. And I think the

(28:11):
smartest thing that Live did and the PGA Tour did
in hiring guys to run their businesses is not hiring
golf people. Scott O'Neil's not a golf golfer. He's not
some country club guy. Neither is Brian Rolapp, the new
CEO of the PGA Tour commissioner. And here's the thing
they understand, like, how do we figure this out moving

(28:32):
forward together? How do we get our guys in some
of your events? Like you guys completely changed everything. And
role App comes from the NFL. Like he's no dummy.
He's gonna want bryceon d Chambeau in some of his tournaments.
He's gonna want John Rahm at the Waste Management. He's
gonna want Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka to play in
some of the Florida tournaments. This is a fucking business.

(28:53):
This isn't like emotions are high. That was cool. A
couple of years ago. Those days are over. How do
we figure this out moving forward? I think the one
thing Scott O'Neil gets, and this is a guy that
worked for Josh Harris with the Sixers and the and
the Commanders, he worked for David Searn, like he just
kind of gets business. And Greg Norman like put a
stink on this thing, and rightfully so, because everyone thought

(29:14):
he was a dbag. Everyone thought he was a complete
loser and had a vandett against the PGA tour, which
became very obvious Scott O'Neil, doesn't, you know. And one
thing watching Scott operate is I think he kind of
gets where his bread's butter, Like watching him interact with
the players, talking to him about what he's doing to
try to get these guys back in the mix, and

(29:34):
also just understanding like the power of these individuals and
I go right to them, is like, Okay, this guy's
just an impressive businessman. This is just type person you
bet on. You know. It's like I was bissing with
him and he's a Philly guy. He's like, oh, how
he's one of my good buddies. So we took a pick.
I sent it to Howie and how he's like, I
fucking love Scott O'Neil. I mean the type people that

(29:56):
this guy, you know, Greg Norman, was toxic. And sometimes
when you have a toxic person in any different line
of work, like there comes to a point where like
you just got to throw the guy overboard, because whatever
your chances are for success, you have no chance with
that individual. We all know these people in our communities, like,
you can't do business with that guy. I mean I

(30:17):
have a lot of friends that are in some sort
of I would say part of the construction industry, construction
slash real estate. And you hear it all the time,
don't mess with that guy. He's a scumback. That guy's
a bad guy. That guy will totally screw you the
moment you're not paying attention, right, And those type people,

(30:39):
the faster you learn don't waste your time doing business
with them, the faster it is to be successful in life,
because that person won't just screw you over, but they'll
just derail anything you're trying to do. And I think
Greg Norman became that fixture with you know, anything that
live was attempting to accomplish. And I think Scott again

(31:00):
I'm not just saying this. I've never even met the
guy up until I went there and just talking to
other people that know him and then just spend the
day with them. Like I've been lucky enough and my
short forty years on this planet to just be around
some pretty high level people and some different businesses. And
I was just really really impressed. I really was. And
to me, the thing that was most impressive, and like

(31:21):
I said, the same thing for role app and this
was smart, like you don't like, don't hire these stiff
country club guys to these are businesses the days of
like Jaymon hand you got to do this, like get
the fuck out of here, Greg Norman, like screw you guys.
That's not a way to do business. So I was
blown away by the in person experience which everyone was

(31:42):
having a good time, and I just I've been to
a lot of golf events and that's like sometimes golf
events on TV that can look boring, and then you
go there can be pretty fun. The thing with live
the music, the atmosphere kind of even takes it to
another level. And I I think I saw Bryce until
McAfee today that that was easily Now Chicago's a pretty

(32:05):
special event town A lot of younger people out there
and had a good time. But again, like I'm if
you're good to me and I think you're impressive, like
I'm gonna buy into you. People often say like about
my about football is a good example, like yeah, I
grew up with the forty nine ers, but like, who
am I gonna like? It's not Kyle Shanahan text me
I don't know the guy. I mean, it's if I did,

(32:28):
I would like them even more. But it's like I
can just get on the horn and text Jason Light.
You think I'm not gonna root for the Bucks. John
Schnyder came on my podcast, never even met the guy.
You think I'm not gonna root for the Seattle Seahawks.
I mean Andy Reid essentially and how he hired me
and changed the course of my life. I think I'm
not gonna root for those guys. Right, Life's pretty simple
if I if I meet you, if you impact my life,

(32:48):
if I'm impressed by you, like I'm gonna root for you.
So I think I have not the pretend to be
some lived diehard here, But I was really really impressed
by Scott O'Neill. So I I think that I am
optimistic that things are gonna change. I don't know how,
but I do think that there will be some dramatic

(33:09):
movement over the next eighteen months and get some of
their guys potentially playing in some more tournaments, you know,
live this week as their individual championship. Obviously, the Ryder
Cup is right around the corner. John Rahm easily could
have won in Chicago. He has yet to win this year.
You know. I think ultimately the Ryder Cup we lost

(33:31):
some when Tiger and Field didn't play that well, just
like the last time I think in Rome, Scottie Scheffler
did not play that well. If they go into this
Ryder Cup and John, I mean, I wouldn't shock me
at all if he wins this week in Indianapolis. He's
playing really, really well. If Rory looks good these next
couple of weeks, and all of a sudden, the Ryder
Cup is led by Roy McElroy and John Rohm, like

(33:54):
we're gonna need We're gonna need Scotty to be on
his a game luckily is, and then some other people
to help him out. Because I think I think John
Rahm's got a lot of momentum, and I also think
just big picture for next year, I'll be a little stunned,
you know. This year, for the first time in a
couple of years, he was right there with Scotty with
nine holes to go in the PGA Championship. I would

(34:17):
expect him to be a major major factor in at
Augusta come the spring. You know, it's a course that
he's very comfortable with. He's obviously won there before, He's
played well there many times. It's just kind of an event.
He's a historian of the game, means a lot to him.
So I think rom who kind of dipped once he
left originally for Live, has kind of got a swag back,

(34:38):
you know. And the other thing that you see out
at what I saw Live Chicago and Bryson going on
Pat McAfee, what he's kind of become for the sport.
I was telling this to Colin. I was saying, this
is Scott O'Neill. I think currently Bryson is the Steph
Curry of golf. He's just the guy that every casual
person kind of knows and everyone pays attention to. The YouTube.

(34:59):
Golf changed it, hitting long shots changed it how good
he has changed it. If you just say I'm at
a tournament and every single guy in the world that
matters is at that tournament. Who if you just pull
casual people like, who do you want to see he
hit a shot right now? I think most of them
would say Bryson. And he's another guy that's going to
the Ryder Cup with Rom that you know, he to me,

(35:22):
he was playing excellent early in the season. We'll see
how he is coming to the Ryder Cup. I mean,
he's going to be a major factor at the Ryder
Cup in terms of how many times he plays. But
he brings a buzz there that is really it's really
hard to deny. I mean it's he's he by far.
To me, Rom I might be their best overall player.

(35:44):
Like I think if you just put Rom versus Bryson
and they played at ten different courses in ten different environments,
I think bright I would say Rom's probably just the
has more shit to his game, can just do more.
But I think Bryson is the more just electric the Showmen,
there's the element of like he's kind of like Phil,

(36:07):
you know, and I think he's kind of the modern
day Phil of just shaking hands, kissing babies, kind of
just at this point in time in his life, just
kind of gets it. Okay, let's answer some questions at Golopod.

(36:28):
At Golopod is the instagram firre In those dms, do
you think we'll ever see a fifth major? The logical
choice would be the Players iconic course and always strong
field seems to always generate more buzz than the PGA Championship.
I don't know how you could just start considering something
a major, right, I have to go back in the
history to find out, like when was the fourth major added?

(36:50):
And how long we had the four majors. But we've
had four majors like my whole life. So if you
just name the Players the fifth major, right, let's just
say two thousand in twenty let's just pick any twenty thirty.
They're like, the Players is now the fifth Major? Well,
if I won the Players in like nineteen eighty eight
or two thousand and two, do I get to consider

(37:11):
myself a major champion? That's where it would get a
little confusing, and I think kind of convoluted in the
history of the sport. So I would lean we don't
see the fifth major, but like being out there, you know,
Scott's dealing with these guys and dealing with the majors.
There's just one thing with golf is I do think

(37:32):
there's a big change happening, you know, forever. And if
you're not a big golf guy, I totally understand that
you just view like country club golf stiff, kind of
just a bunch of assholes. And for a long time,
country club was always viewed as like, you know, it's
just kind of the pressy people that are just kind
of rich guys. Now I think the world's changed. I mean, hell,

(37:54):
some of the most expensive country clubs don't have any rules.
You can wear whatever you want. The nicest country club
or the most expensive country club here in around where
I live is Silver Leaf and that's where John Rahm
plays and a bunch of guys play out there. But
Jude John Rahm's a member out there, there is no
dress code. I had a buddy that played out there
probably like four months ago, and he's like, you know,

(38:16):
after we played, we're gonna go to the bar and
grill to like I think they had played at teetoff
at noon and they were having dinner out there and
he's like, uh, I showered first. I went to shower,
I hit the cold tub, and then I wore basketball
shorts and a T shirt. Dinner in the in the
grill because their thing is like, yeah, we want you
to come enjoy it. I mean the country club where

(38:37):
I grew up playing, which is I mean, if silver
Leaf costs five hundred grand to join, this one costs
about four grand to join. They're like, no jeans in
the clubhouse. It's like, okay, guys, I mean, my fucking
jeans are more than my dockers here. What are we doing?
And they still battle that my brother's a member there now,
and it's just those days are done. You know. It's

(38:59):
like I can't I have my phone out. It's like
I got a business meeting right now. This is where
I come to hang out, but I still got to
do business on the course. You know. It's like, come on, guys,
we've got to adapt question for the bag. Fleetwood just
went in the bunker, assuming he's not gonna make Birdie.
He didn't. Do you think there's a chance we never
see him win on the PGA tour. Huh, I would

(39:19):
say after he lost a Kegan you're like, Okay, some
people think he's he's never gonna win. Then you watch this,
you're like, it's got to be in play. I mean,
there's no disputing. I do think it's at the point
now with like a kicker. You don't when a kicker
just can't make a kick, it's like, well, he knows
how to make kicks, but there's a mental block, right
Chuck Knoblock. When he couldn't throw to first base, there's
like a metal block. I think there's a metal block.

(39:42):
Something gets in his head that he can't shake the
negative thoughts. Because he hit that shot on whole sixteen
the par five honestly, at two hundred and ten yards
in he's one of the best iron players on the planet,
and he flies it into the stands and he chips
it over the green. It's like, Tommy, I've watched you
play the last sixty plus holes. You didn't look anything

(40:03):
like this, what is going on? And then it was
never the same sense, And like you said, eighteen, he
just pumps in the bunker off the tee and blast
the ball over. I mean, it was just it's kind
of rough. Now. If you said, hey, let's say you
gotta you gotta put something on it, like a lot
where you're gonna sweat. Let's say ten thousand dollars. If
you had to bet ten thousand dollars right now that

(40:25):
Tommy Fleetwood is going to win or not win a
PGA tournament the rest of his career, I think he
would have to bet. I mean, twenty nine times he's
finished in the top five, So just statistically, the odds
are on his side that one of these days he's
just gonna instead of totally blow it, he's gonna hit
a couple of good shots. And he honestly started doing that.

(40:46):
Like the last couple holes were like I think it
was like twelve thirteen, he buried a couple holes in
the back nine. You're like, Oh, he's gonna win this thing.
He's kinda he's kind of shook off the cob webs here,
and then he didn't. I've been betting on Fleetwood for
a few years. He is always so close. I thought
I would get all my bets back today. Well, if
you put you might have if he would have won.

(41:08):
Should I give up on him ever winning? I think
Fleetwood more than any guy on the tour because Scotty.
It's like you could bet top five, but his odds
this week are like minus two sixty five, So you're
gonna bet two hundred and sixty five dollars to win
one hundred dollars for Scotty shuffer to top five. Now
you could argue it's like, well, Johnny's probably lock top five,
and like, hey, probably right, but it's like that those

(41:29):
aren't fun bets. I do think Tommy Fleetwood, his odds
to top ten and top five are always really high.
I mean a lot of times you could get Tommy
Fleetwood in the plus money, like plus one ten, plus one,
twenty five to top twenty in golf tournaments. So I
think you just can't bet on him to win, even
though I was looking at it last year at this

(41:51):
tournament at the BMW he finished fifth. I was like,
twenty to one. Should I throw a little money on him?
Is the scar tissue? You know? Strong from last week?
But he's going to win eventually. He's going to win eventually,
you would think, and you know what, that's what I'm
talking about, which when he finally does, hopefully, he just

(42:11):
breaks down in tears and it's like one of the
coolest emotional moments on the PGA Tour in a long
long time, because it would be what's your background in
competitive golf? Did you play competitively growing up? And have
you ever ventured into the tournament scene as an adult.
I played like junior tournaments as a kid. I played
in high school. I was never that good. I mean

(42:34):
I was probably looking back, I was shooting more like
eighty to eighty five. Even in high school. I didn't practice.
I didn't know how to practice. I didn't want to practice.
I actually didn't take it that seriously. I'm a much
better player just in terms of thinking about golf now.
I mean, if I could do it over again, which

(42:55):
I'm not a big fan of do it over again
because it's no, you can't in life, but if I could,
I it's easy to say, but so it's stupid to
be like, well, I just wouldn't have played football in
high school. I would have just focused on golf. But no,
I wouldn't trade that. So I just didn't take it
very seriously when I was young, and then I didn't

(43:16):
play in my twenties when I was just working ninety
nine hours a week. And I've played a lot more
in my thirties. But I've never I mean tournaments. I've
played like member guest tournaments, but I'm not gonna play,
you know, like individual tournaments. I get my juices and
my highes from podcasts into the business and doing this,
the business aspect of all the stuff we got going

(43:38):
on with this. I like playing golf. It's kind of
my release. No, I don't mind, like me and my
brother will play one hundred dollars a whole, right, I mean,
I like gambling. We play I wouldn't say huge money
games with some of the buddet my buddies at TPC,
but you know what, you have a bad day, you'll
give up. You lose one hundred bucks. I like doing that.

(43:59):
I like enjoying it. I don't want to play like
serious rounds. That's not those days. It's not really for me.
I actually live about fifteen minutes from Bowling Brook Country Club.
So I hope you enjoyed Chicago Land cool. One thing
about Chicago, the suburbs are just pretty beautiful. They're green.

(44:20):
Where Colin lived, Downtown was awesome. It's like god, I
mean this is this is a pretty sweet town. The
other thing we went to dinner on Friday night. I mean,
it was a pretty sweet weekend. Flew in. I was
just going to stay at a hotel and someone from
the volume was like, Colin, want you stay at his house?
So then I texted him. He's like, yeah, just stay
at my house. So I just his wife was in

(44:43):
Rhode Island, so it's just me and him. So I
fly in. I just go to his house. Like you
want to go dinner. I'm like, yeah, let's go to dinner.
So we go to steakhouse. He's like, watch the price
points of food here, because, like you know, La obviously
is really expensive. Scottsdale is probably the most over place
in the country. At most restaurants, we have cocktails, we

(45:04):
have oysters, We get a couple of steaks and French fries.
He shows me the bill. It's one hundred and forty bucks.
I'm like, the equivalent of this restaurant in Scottsdale would
have been like three hundred bucks for what we just bought.
I'm like, I really appreciate the price points in the Midwest.
I mean, that was how nice it is, how beautiful

(45:24):
the suburbs are. Went to his gym before Saturday. You
might have been fucking nicest three story gym I've ever
seen in my life. So I was blown away by Chicago.
The question is, I'm trying to argue Phil just simply
isn't a top ten golfer. I'm trying. I have someone
trying to argue that Phil simply isn't a top ten
golfer and proceeded to just count trophies instead of getting

(45:46):
into actual golf. I think Phil is I mean, think
about this post Jack and Arnold and Lee Trevino. I
guess you would say Tom Watson like the sventies and eighties,
but over the last thirty five years he's clearly the
second best player. And I would say the last seventy

(46:08):
eighty years. I mean, how many guys you got Ben Hogan,
you got Jack, you got Tiger. I mean, I'm just
throwing out names Arnold Palmer, Tom Watson, Gary Player, And
I think when you factor in the importance of the
way Phil, you know, interacted with the crowd, his personality,

(46:30):
I think he's one of the most important guys in
the history of the game. To me, he's a top
ten player for sure. I have a mile take here
and wanted to gather your thoughts. Scheffler borderline saved the
PGA Tour with the live versus PGA rivalry. Beside Rory,
there has not been much star power over the last
few years winning big time tournaments. Guys like Xander, JJ

(46:52):
Spond and Brian Harmon don't move the needle for the
common fan. If Scotty wasn't so dominant right now, I
think the PGA would have been in trouble. Thoughts. I
would say Rory as well. I mean, Rory could have
won four Majors over the last four years. Scotty's obviously
won three, Rory's won the one. But those guys, those

(47:13):
two specifically, I mean Rory was a household, a big
star and started playing at an elite level these last
couple of years, and then winning the Master I mean
the Master's won the highest rated golf tournaments of the
last like ten fifteen years, not named Tiger Phil. So
I would put Rory and Scotty in there as well.
But that's golf, you know, I mean, that's tennis is

(47:35):
the same way. If they don't have a start, no
one cares, So golf is not. I've said this forever.
Golf's not strong enough and this is what I was talking
Scott O'Neal about. It's like, you guys have Bryson like
that's he's a pretty valuable property, right you know, Phil's
fifty five. So while Phil's a legendary individual, and he
got a huge standing ovation out there when I was
there because he was in the lead, I mean just

(47:57):
the PGA Tour doesn't need him, right uh, but they
need Bryson, and golf needs It's why these majors have
been so big, because you know, Koepka last year winning
the PGA two years ago. It's not strong enough to
just split up this tournament. So you need the top guys.
And I think there are three guys who are head

(48:19):
and shoulders in terms of fame and needle moving above
everyone else right now, Scotty, Rory and Bryson. I'd even
you know, Rom I would put on their level as
a player when he's on, but I don't know, he's
quite the needle mover. So yeah, I mean I think
Scotty's Scotty's rise has been very important. Xander just I mean,

(48:41):
Xander seems like a good guy when he's on, like
Bob the Sports He's funny, but it's not a big
personality when it comes to the media. Scotty's actually sneaky,
pretty good to the media. If you were a tour
pro who hit sixty percent of fairways on average, would
you rather be on the sixty percent fairways hit train
or take one hundred percent? If your drives landing in
the first cut, assume average tour distance off the tee,

(49:05):
this means no fairways, but no thick roff. Also, cut
usually is good enough to generate spin. I think most
of the PGA golf tournaments you play the rough. Isn't
that crazy? Like even walking around at Bowling Brook. The
one thing they've done the last couple of tournaments that
live is like grown out the rough. There is a

(49:25):
big difference in some courses if they grow out the rough. Right,
Being in the rough and being in the first cut
is night and day difference. Right, It's like the difference
between like a ten yard first down like a fifty
yard bomb. I mean, it is devastating, but I think
on the aggregate on the PGA Tour, I wouldn't mind
being in the rough if I was a PGA Tour player,

(49:47):
so I would take the fairways hit because you'd be
playing a lot of tournaments like the one thing on
the PGA Tour. You play a lot of tournaments where
you got a birdie a lot and you have a
big advantage playing from the fairway. And I think some
of these tournaments from the rough aren't that. I mean,
how many half the tournaments you're in the rough? It's
like not that big a deal. Now some of the

(50:07):
ones you are, it's like, okay, you might be screwed.
But how many guys are hidden eighty percent of the fairways?
So I would choose if you're long, it's a no.
Like Bryson or Xander or Rory, they would go. They
would choose the sixty in the fairway all day long.
If you're short, like if you're like Brian Harmon, maybe

(50:30):
you would choose the first cut. But that would be
an unreal question to like ask a PGA Tour player
because they would have like a legitimate answer based on
their experience. You can't say they need to slowly integrate
live players of the PGA. As commissioner, the message that
sends the PGA guys is that you s took pad,

(50:52):
stayed with us, and bent us over. After all that
holding out. The PGA has turned. They've shifted from the
the UH tax exempt entity, the charity element to a
for profit business. That's where role app comes in. And
they gave players equity in the business. If you give

(51:12):
me equity in a business, I want to make that
business as big and profitable as possible. Why because that's
where I profit. So if I'm justin Thomas and I
stayed and I was probably mad a couple of years ago,
Jordan Speed, Well, now if I own some of this,
I want Bryson to be part of the thing I own.

(51:33):
So I would have no problem extending Hey, you get
you know if I wouldn't do this to every guy,
like I'm not Lee Westwood's not getting invites, but of
the players that matter, starting with Bryson, Kopka, DJ, Phil
would be interesting. Phil probably wouldn't even take it, Joaquin Nieman,

(51:54):
Cam Smith like some famous American and international guys that
live in the States. I'm giving you five options throughout
the season to play in tournaments. I promise you they
would use them and the tour would benefit from the ratings.
It's like, Hey, Rom, Bryson and Kepka are the playing
this week at Pebble Beach. Guess what that is. That's

(52:15):
good for business, And if I own a business, I
want the best for the interest of that thing I own.
And in golf like the more eyeballs the better. You
make a great point about the craziness of the Ryder
Cup clashing with football. My solution, play the Cup Wednesday
through Friday should make no difference to the player schedule
except maybe a positive one, and the fans get to

(52:37):
watch both football and the single greatest mental test in golf.
Why it won't happen, We've never done that before. I
think the reason it won't happen is not that we've
never done that before. I do think the TV execs
would say this. For as shitty as it is on Sunday,
going up having John Rahm going head to head with

(53:00):
Sanders Shoffley and Scotty going head to head with you know,
Rory McElroy and Bryceon going head to head with Tommy Fleetwood,
you know singles matches up against the Giants playing the
Eagles and the Niners playing Seattle. It's still better than
being on TV in the middle of the day on Thursday.
Because even though technology our schedules are a lot different.

(53:23):
There is something powerful about people just not watching TV
at the same rate during the middle of the day
during the week. So I hear what you're saying. I
think that would be the pushback from the networks, because
you're right, it would change the players zero. Whether you're
playing golf on Thursday or with her plans, it doesn't
matter to them, but it matters for the broadcast window.

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And I just don't think anyone would watch. I'm a
golfer in Nairobi, Kenya. God, we got a big ass
audience here. I'm from the Couu tribe and Kenya and
the Couu grass is named after my people. Damn. I
hear about the grass types Couu, Bermuda, Poa, bent grass,

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rye grass. Question is witch grass makes the best and
most challenging greens in fairways and which presents the most
challenging rough I haven't played that much golf in Florida,
which has a lot different grass than we have on
the West coast. You know. I've grown up playing Bermuda
grass and Poa greens, so bumpy greens. And I'm probably

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the wrong guy ask because I don't have a great
understanding of like what bent grass is around the greens
or the rye grass that I think it kind of explodes.
That's another question that like, even if you're a casual guy,
if you've with business, you've flown around and you've just

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taken your clubs. It's like, I've played in Florida, I've
played in Texas, I've played in the Northeast. I mean,
I've played in the Northeast. I've played in Nashville, I've
played in Jersey, I've played in Philly, played in Arizona.
But a lot of times I don't, like I'm not
nerdy enough to quite know unless I'm playing with someone
that's really tied into like, hey, we're playing this level
of grass, and even if we are, that doesn't change

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what I'm doing. So I kept calling it the Couu.
It's a Kakua Cocu youu, the Coku you tribe. That's cool.
It's a good little nugget. Uh. Have you become a
regular listener? Just graduated from cal Poly? Congratulations? Question is
about your warm up? Do you tackle the range, short

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game area and putting green the same way every time
or do you mix it up depending on the day. Uh? Yeah,
I mean there's typically a warm up. Again, I'm on
a casual fore handicap, so it's like, if the game's
cooperating with me, I can shoot seventy five. If it's not,
I can easily shoot eighty five. But I am not

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getting there an hour and a half before and doing
putting green chipping, starting with my wedge, working my way
through the driver. Sometimes I'll show up twenty minutes before
I tee off, grab a wedge or an eight iron,
a three wood in the driver, hit some balls, a
couple of putts, and go. So I do not this
is not I'm not approaching this thing like I'm Scotti
Scheffler or bryceon d Schambeau. I'm going to have a

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good time, hang kind of get loose. If anything, I
if I go to the gym before I play, I
try to do a couple like go to stretches because
my hips are tight, and so I try to stretch out. Honestly,
for me, stretching and hitting some shots are probably more
important than like a consistent warm up. I have to

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be loose. But my warm up no rhyme or reason,
not taking it that seriously. But again then I gotta get.
That's why I don't get as mad at myself. Like
if I when I flop a chip, it's like, well,
I haven't practiced chipping in a month, right, But like
that's if I did practice a little more, I think
I could I get to a scratch. Probably not, but

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I could get to a lower single digit and it's
be a more consistent player. Simple question, what is your
favorite club in the bag? I would say over the
last three or four months, I've really dialed in my driver,
and I actually, over the last month worked on a
draw because I saw tigers like close your feet, close
my feet, take the take my club a little more inside,
and I've been able to play a draw, my go

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to shots, a power cut, you know, two eighty five
to night, I may hit the ball pretty fall off
the and it's been pretty accurate. So I would say
right now my favorite club in my bag is my
callaway Driver, which is just it's been pretty potent. My
putting is probably my it's I love the way it looks.

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My wife got it a Scottie Cameron that's kind of
painted with like Michael Jordan colors, bulls colors, like it
looks like a shoe but it's just I don't. I
don't brax putting, don't really there's an element of luck there,
but it's a driver. Then I'd say like eight iron.
I like a good short iron, especially like a back

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right pin where I can just kind of open that
feet and play a power cut from about you know,
one sixty five. My least favorite club would probably be sandwich.
Not I don't mind a sandwich from like ninety one
hundred yards. I'm hitting a full shot, but you give
me like a thirty yard shot a chip, I'm in
major trouble. Have a great day, See you guys later.

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