November 24, 2025 • 50 mins
Former NFL scout John Middlekauff is reacting LIVE immediately following the Week 12 Sunday Night Football matchup between Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams. John kicks things off by reacting to the Rams blowout win on SNF vs. the Buccaneers in which Baker Mayfield was injured before halftime and did not return to the game. John speaks about how the Rams should be in the driver's seat in the NFC as they look like the most complete team in the conference. John speculates if the Bucs are in danger of losing the NFC South to the surging Carolina Panthers, who play the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football in Week 12.
John then reacts to the Las Vegas Raiders firing their offensive coordinator Chip Kelly after the team lost to the Cleveland Browns. John also speaks on the starting debut of Shedeur Sanders as well as the historic performance from star edge rusher Myles Garrett.
John then dives into the Philadelphia Eagles epic collapse on the road against the Dallas Cowboys as well as the New York Giants collapse on the road against the Detrot Lions. John then discusses how bad Minnesota Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy has looked under center in a loss to the Green Bay Packers. John gives flowers to Caleb WIlliams and the Chicago Bears who are in first place in the NFC North after a big time win vs. the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Next, John reacts to reports that 49ers wide reciever Brandon Aiyuk will be getting his guarantees voided in his contract due to a contentious season on injured reserve.
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03:17 - Bucs-Rams reaction
15:12 - Bucs are trending in wrong direction
17:40 - Browns-Raiders
21:41 - Shedeur Sanders
22:38 - Myles Garrett
24:59 - Eagles-Cowboys
31:09 - GameTime
31:56 - Giants-Lions
35:27 - Vikings-Packers
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The volume What is going on Everybody, John Middlecoff three
and Out podcast. A lot going on. We had a long,
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long football day, the Rams destroy Tampa. Probably the craziest
moment of the day though, is the Eagles falling apart
and the Cowboys winning. We also just had a firing.
Chip Kelly is no longer the Eagles offensive coordinator, so
we'll dive into that as well. Packers ruined JJ McCarthy's career.
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The Lions barely win their defenses in shambles. Jamis is
just a roller coaster. We got a big Monday night
football game forty nine Ers, some thoughts on Brandon Iyut.
That story went viral. We will chime in on that obviously.
Thanksgiving week, so we got a lot to be thankful
for and we're gonna talk a lot of football. But
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nine Ers Panthers, which actually has a lot of playoff implications.
But let's just dive right into what we just witness
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on Sunday Night football. We will start with the Rams.
I do think you know, after the Eagles fell apart
and lost a just an awful game. I mean, you're
up twenty one nothing killing the Cowboys, that there's not
any part of any human being alive, including Jerry Jones,
Dak Prescott, Brian Schottenheimer. When they're up twenty one nothing,
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you think the Eagles were gonna lose, and then they did,
and then the Rams come out like that. You got
to say, the two best teams right now in the
NFC still are the Los Angeles Rams in Seattle, but
the Rams ceiling right now. You know the DeVante Adams move.
I mean you could argue two of the best offseason
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moves were Devonte Adams and George Pickens. I mean, both
guys are completely dominant now. The difference is, you know,
George was a very polarizing player. Davante was at least,
in my opinion, a first bout Hall of Fame level guy.
And I think this little run with Stafford is going
to really help solidify that because the way he looks
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with Matt looks like he did in the prime of
Aaron Rodgers' career. He is just a dominant force. I
think he has ten touchdowns on the year. He's uncoverable.
You put him with Puka, especially in the red zone.
Their offense looks incredible, their defense looks awesome. They're coaching
as elite. This is a team to me that just
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looks poised to compete, slash win a Super Bowl and
now that they you know, gain control of the conference,
like they can get home field advantage. And anytime you
give Sean McVay, I mean, this is a team you
give him a buye especially bat Stafford, they are going
to be extremely dangerous offensively, they have a potent passing game.
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You put him indoors hell, I mean, we saw him
last year in the playoff game in the snow go
toe to toe with the Eagles, who clearly then were
better than they are now. But you put this guy indoors.
You know what the weapons he has, how good their
defense is playing. I mean, I did not know this
Landman character from Colorado was essentially Ray Lewis reincarnated. They
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just extended him within the last forty eight hours. He's
hitting people today like he's Roquan Smith or Fred Warner.
I mean, I mean he's an elite player. Then Forbes,
the guy they traded for from Washington. I'll be honest,
I didn't know that much about him. It's like, yeah,
this guy was a first round pick, and even collins Worth,
It's like, you can't argue with the physical characteristics, and
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they've immediately flipped that guy overnight into a high end
contributing player. Like you speak about coaching, you speak about culture.
You know, if I'm a Commander fan, it's like, dan Quinn,
you're a defensive guy. We just had this guy. Our
secondary sucks. You couldn't make this work, Like what's going on?
He comes with Shula and McVeigh. Within a couple of weeks,
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he's making huge plays at night on Chris Godwin, Like god,
this guy's moving, He's mirroring the guy across the field
making plays on the ball, Like damn. Now, listen, Tampa
is really banged up obviously Bakers and shambles, but like
their back was kind of against the wall, and to
get curb stomped like they did tonight was to me
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much more of a reflection on the Rams than it
is on them. I mean, their seasons kind of spiraling
in the wrong direction. But the Rams are humming. You know.
You get the momentum last week from that Seattle game,
and they look like a team like right now. To me,
if I had to say, hey, who's gonna win a
Super Bowl? I would take them over Seattle just because
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I trust Matt Stafford a lot more than I trust
Sam Darnald. Now, you know, every time now I get
there playing the Titans, like Sam Donald is playing really
really well, but he is going to be under a
magnifying glass as we come down the home stretch and
obviously in the playoff game. But there is no disputing
something pretty special is going on with Matt Stafford. He's
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clearly going to be the betting favorite over the next
twenty four hours in the race to win the MVP.
He's playing as well as he ever has in his career.
That the back injury, which was a real thing he
could not practice in training camp, feels like something that
happened seven years ago. And I had someone actually send
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me a direct message and it kind of got me thinking.
And the gist of it was this guy was having
a conversation about quarterback legacies, and I brought up how
Matt Stafford is already a Hall of Famer, which I agree,
but if he wins and also wins the Super Bowl MVP,
that would put have been rarefied air because listen, some
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people have come, you know, kind of prisoner of the
moment comparing his career to Rogers' career. It's not even fair.
Aaron got to go to Green Bay, a place that
is called like quarterback Heaven. It's an incredible place to go.
And listen, I have always defended Rogers career in the
prime of his career in Green Bay, it didn't get
any better. Matt Safford played for the Lions, Right, You're
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gonna do a lot better in life when you go
to a place that knows what they're doing when you're
young than a place that had no clue. And when
he went to the Lions, it was a joke. But
what we have seen of him with Sean McVay over
these last four or five years, like he's already checked off.
If he had good coaching, no one could argue he
would have been considered one of the greatest players of
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all time. It's like, well, look at his record with
the Lions. Everyone's record before Dan Campbell got there, my
entire life was awful. They're two best players at thirty
years old quit Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson. Literally they said,
I'm done playing football at thirty years old. It's like unprecedented.
It never happens. He comes to the Rams, he's now
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taken them to the playoffs basically every year. Obviously he
won the Super Bowl and now he's gonna win an MVP.
So like he will never have the longevity of some
of these guys that are quote unquote his peers, obviously Rogers, Breeze, Roethlisberger,
those type players, because when they got and you see
it now with you know, Mahomes or Lamar, those guys
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got to the league and they immediately started winning. But
like if I put Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson on
the two thousand and eight Detroit Lions, I'm pretty confident
it wouldn't have gone that well. Why because it hadn't
gone well for literally everyone that went to that franchise.
And now I'm watching him with the Rams. I do
think it's whether they win the super Bowl this year
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or not. If he wins the MVP, like it's really
gonna be a validate for his career. And I also
think he'd have to start asking himself because the quarterback
draft this year is atrocious. It is not good. Beside
Fernando Mendoza, who's probably gonna go number one overall, there
is not another player that most people in the NFL
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feel comfortable that you would take in the top twenty picks. Well,
his franchise, the Rams, they have the Falcons first round pick,
so they're going to get a pick within the probably
the top fifteen, and then they're also going to have
their pick. Well, they have a young like DeVante Adams
is under contract for multiple years. Pukah's going nowhere, Karen
Williams is under contract, Lambman's under contract. All their defensive
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linemen are young and under contract. So this nucleus of
the team isn't going anywhere. So if you're Stafford, even
if you won an MVP and the Super Bowl doesn't
get much better, I know he's made a lot of money.
He literally has. I think he's one of, if not
the highest paid quarterbacks, or because most quarterbacks are the
highest paid players of all time. I think he's either
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three or two maybe Brady was one, or maybe Rogers
is one. I forget. I haven't looked at the list recently,
but he's definitely in the top five of all time
career earnings for an NFL player, and he's making forty
million dollars this year. But why not run it back
and make forty five million dollars again next year? If
this how good your team is? This how good you're playing?
Especially physically, he looks to be in great condition. The
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league has never been more conducive about extending your career
as a quarterback because they can't touch you. They literally
can't hit you. So if you're Matt Stafford and you
feel good, you clearly like living in Los Angeles. Your
head coach is also your offensive coordinator. You have this
great rapport. Now with these two wide receivers, your team's
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going to be in position to potentially draft some sweet
offensive lineman high. I don't think he's going anywhere. He
could only just start kind of gaining this legacy, which
is kind of cool. Every once in a while, you
get a guy that kind of becomes this legendary player
in his mid to late thirties, and some guys have
a stronger case than others. Right when I was in
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high school is rich Gannon who was kind of this afterthought.
Then Gruden convinces al Davis to bring him to the
Raiders and he resurrects his career for a four or
five year run, wins an MVP, takes a team to
a super Bowl. Now what Stafford's doing is more impressive,
and Stafford is a better player. But my point is
that sometimes you get in these situations. Did you get
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some like late life? Now, Stafford led a good life
in Detroit in terms of he was always making one of,
if not the highest paid players in the league, made
a ton of money. Clearly was a good player, but
was just in a dysfunctional place. Then he goes to
a place that just knows what they're doing, and you
watch him and now he's excelling and their franchise is
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thriving what they did a couple of years ago when
they pivoted and Sean clearly had to You know, listen,
he didn't handle losing well. All he had done his
win and he flirted with Amazon. Don't blame them. They
were gonna pay him fifteen plus million dollars to call
Thursday Night Football with Al Michaels. You work one day
a week, you fly everywhere in a private jet with Al.
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It's pretty good life, Like it's what I personally would
have chose. But you know, I'm a media talking guy.
You know, Sean mcvay's a football coach, and he realized, like, yeah,
my life's pretty good. And just because I'm a dad,
looked around a lot of football coaches have kids, and
he's meant to coach football and him staying him making
the move with his his college roommate Shula to be
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his defensive coordinator. That has been an incredible hire. And clearly,
I don't know if insecure is the right word, but
he was just hesitant to do it just the way
it would be looked upon, probably not even from the outside,
more internally guys on the staff. And he'd had a
bunch of good defensive coordinators. I mean, the moment he
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got there, Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley ran one of the
great scams of all time in twenty twenty. Obviously Raheem
was a stud for him, but Shula has been every
bit as good as all those guys. And if you
think about some of the teams that are probably gonna
have to beat you know, to win the NFC Seattle.
They're clearly pretty comfortable playing Sam Darnold. If they match
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up with the forty nine ers early, they're pretty comfortable
playing you know, that operation as a franchise, the Eagles.
They've played them really really well, despite losing the last
two times when they've played them this year and last
year in the playoffs. You know, the Lions are extremely flawed.
I feel really really good. Obviously, health can change anything
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at a moment's notice. But if you're a Rams fan
right now, I mean tonight, that that game was over
after the first quarter. That was a glorified training camp,
joint practice, you know for the Rams, and they're ride
and high, they look they look fantastic, and Matt Stafford
feels like he's kind of solidifying his legacy on a
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completely different level, which is cool because I think he
always had a lot of support orders in the NFL,
a lot of people that you thought that he was
better than he ever got credit for. And it's hard.
You don't get that much credit when you lose a lot.
You just don't fair not you can be a good
coach on a losing team. Because you're in a dysfunctional organization. Right,
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you can be a good player on a losing team
because you have a bad GM, a bad coach. And
when you see Matt Stafford with the Rams, it has
been impressive to watch. On the flip side, I'm a
big Jason White guy. I think he's one of the
best gms in the league. And their team, fully healthy,
is really good. But they are not only not fully healthy,
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they are trending in the wrong direction. And I get
asked a lot of questions about Todd Bowles, and even
Collinsworth mentioned it tonight. Like those two coaches tonight couldn't
be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Right. McVeigh
looks like a Hollywood actor. Todd looks like this old, grumpy,
kind of quiet guy. I like Todd. He was always
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cool to me when I worked with Philly. I think
he's an excellent defensive mind. But clearly the team is
really off kilter. If Baker is seriously injured, they are
just completely fucked. There really is no way around it.
They would have no chance to compete. I mean, Teddy
is an awesome guy, but I mean he was coaching
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high school two months ago. He was not planning on
being in the situation, so you throw him out there
out of desperation. The injuries on this team have continued
to mount. Obviously, the you know, Todd is a defensive
guy right now, and their defense looks atrocious. So even
if you go listen, you got some injuries, we don't
expect you to be the eighty five Bears. Can we
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just at least neutralize opponents a little bit? And the
answer right now is no. I mean, it felt like
they could have thrown to DeVante every single play and
there's nothing they could do. So I think Tampa right now.
A couple of weeks ago, it felt like they would
have been a shoe win to win this division. I
had the Panthers are coming, and they still play the
Panthers twice. Baker's health. If you told me Baker has
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a serious injury, he's gonna miss a lot of time,
I would say the Panthers could not only win this division.
You could convince me Tampa's not gonna win many games
moving forward. They can't stop a soul on defense. Their
offense without Mayfield is going to be in shambles, and
it just feels like the momentum that they had early
in the season, winning all those close games. I think
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you feel like you watch the Rams. You know, you
watch Seattle, you watch you know, some of these teams, Denvers,
some of these teams have a lot of momentum this year.
It feels like the Bucks had it and now they're
rolling back down the hill going in the wrong direction.
So I don't really know what else to say beside
it's not looking pretty at all, you know, for Tampa Bay.
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other stuff, there was just some breaking news about Chip
Kelly getting fired, and we'll we can talk a little
too about Shador and Miles Garrett. I never understood the
hire for the Raiders when it came to Chip Kelly.
This was a guy over the course of his last
couple of years at UCLA. Even they're good teams, they
were dominated by the defensive side of the ball. The
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offense was not good. Dante Moore, who's you know, become
a collegiate scar Star and was one of the I
don't know if he was second or third overall recruit.
He was supposed to go to Oregon, flip last second
went to chip They started him as a as a freshman,
and he looked atrocious. And you watch him with Oregon,
Dan Lanning and Will Stein, he looks fantastic. This notion
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that Chip Kelly is some dominant offensive mine in twenty
twenty five is laughable. Listen. I don't know if it's
Pete Carroll, if it was Tom Brady, but to give
Chip Kelly three years, eighteen million dollars in twenty twenty
five is one of the more crazy financial investments in
recent memory. It really is insane. Obviously, the Pete Carroll
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situation is not going well. It's it's safe to say
I think we overuse this term. We just use it
for anything right now, like is your dog just washed? No,
my dog's old. He can't walk that fast. But anything
that we see that's slowing downs goas washed. Pete Carroll
might legitimately be over the hill. It might be over
same thing for Belichick. Like sometimes you get in your
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mid seventies, no matter how much you love football, no
matter how much you think about football, no matter how
much just a football lifer, you just lose your fastball.
I mean, we saw that video of Nick Saban on
the Lazy Boy watching Bill's Chiefs when Miss Terry screams
at him to sit up, like he kind of looked
like a grandpa similar age to those guys. He just
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didn't have his fastball anymore. Doesn't mean he doesn't love football,
doesn't mean he doesn't think about football all the time.
But it was just over. And I respect him for
just saying I'm out. Pete Carroll just just couldn't live
without it. He's richer than he ever could have imagined
his wildest dreams, if you would ask him at thirty
or forty years old. But there's just some like I
don't know if he's got to scratch his itch with
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the ego, but watching him today, I mean, people talk
a lot of shit about Stefanski myself included a little bit.
They were just running circles around the Raiders. But like
part of Chip Kelly, once you get like an innovative
offensive guy, you should watch something. Go God, I see
some stuff like I'm watching Stefanski today. He called some
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just deeper breaking routes for Shador. Why he's got a
bigger arm than Dylan Gabriel. And then they got in
the goal line and they like Ransom Wildcat, just direct
snap to Junkins. You can't stop this guy because he's
one of the well, Miles Garretts the best player on
the field, Max Cross about the second best player on
the field. But this guy's might be the third best
player in the field. We're gonna direct snap into him.
You watch Chip Kelly, he's just running a normal offense.
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It's like I thought this guy was like this innovative guy. No,
what he is is he's running an all time scam
and he got eighteen million dollars. More power to him,
But that is gonna go down as one of the
most insane hires in recent memory, especially when you factor
and he got that much money, because who were you
bidding against? What was he making at Ohio State two
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and a half million dollars. You had to almost three
x his money. The guy went from this kind of
legendary person to just turned into this mercenary chasing cash
and he was good at it. But left UCLA a
couple of years ago, high and dry went to Ohio State.
You know, it was a huge reason that they lost
to Michigan for the four straight year as a twenty
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point favorite last year, running one of the worst game
plans you've ever seen. Obviously got hot in the playoffs
and parlayed that into getting fired before Thanksgiving. And listen,
Pete Carroll's fired a lot of coaches, and typically when
you fire a coordinator in a situation that's getting really ugly,
you're next. So I think at this point in time,
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if I was a betting man, I would say Pete
Carroll's going to be one and done. And you know,
speaking of that game, obviously, Chador just gave the Browns
a little life. I mean, Dyal Gabrils is not good.
You know, I'm not going to act like Shador is
the second coming here of Patrick Mahomes. Let's see him
play a real team, because right now the Raiders are
not a team that's you know, that's like a minor
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league operation. Pretty embarrassing, honestly. And that's back to Pete Carroll, like,
I don't know what's going on, but you only play
who's on the schedule. Chadour had a couple just explosive
plays down the field, kind of refreshing if you're a
Browns fan, and I think he showed enough like he's
starting the rest of the year. And if I'm Jimmy
Haslam and they showed the picture of like the GM
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with his laptop and Jimmy behind him on his phone,
like scrolling Twitter or looking at babes on Instagram or something,
I think Jimmy just just playing. I appreciate the Browns too,
bringing Deshaun Watson to mentor Chador quite the combination. But
to me, the story for the Browns is I've been
watching football a long time, Miles Garrett, and I wasn't
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old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor beside the highlights on
YouTube and obviously the way people talk about him, and
you just watch the highlights, I mean, show up benders
on crack and then get three sacks against Joe Montana
bellishe and parcels, you know, will go to their grave
calling him the greatest defensive player of all time. The
greatest defensive players I've seen will probably like Reggie White,
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ray Lewis, ed Reid. There's a short list of guys.
Miles Garrett is every bit as good as any of
those guys. And today he was just a man amongst boys.
And I get the Raiders offensive line is in shambles,
but they might as well have had me out there.
They might as well have had a cone out there,
because it did not matter. He had three sacks. You know,
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he has eighteen now in the season. I think my
producer Shane was telling me he's got like thirteen in
this month. He is just an absolute wrecking ball of
domination coming off the edge. I mean he looks like
a Greek god his ability to bend an explosion and tenacity.
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I stand by what I said. I do believe that
they should have traded him just because their team is
so bad. I mean, they're gonna win four games with
a guy that's gonna end up with like twenty five
twenty eight sacks. But I also can understand if you're
the owner, are we ever gonna have a player this
good again. But if you just go who the best
players in the history of the Browns, you'd be like
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Jim Brown, Miles Garrett, Like that's kind of Joe Thomas.
Like it's a pretty short list of like all time
great players, and like I do get it, Like we
just need someone that some of our fans can be
proud of. And you know, when Schador hit the big
bomb early in the game, you saw his excitement. So
if you're gonna motivate him just with a little more juice,
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the Browns just today became a little more interesting while
the Raiders all time circle the drain moment, I mean, god,
that was that was embarrassing. The stat stuck he had
given me is the Browns since two thousand have started,
seventeen guys have made their debut for the Cleveland Browns,
and they were zero to seventeen. Well, Chador ended that
today speaking of streaks that ended. I can't imagine how
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often you're up twenty one nothing in the first half
and you lose a game. Right, Nick Sirianni was fifty
five and twenty two coming into this game, and I
would imagine anytime he's at a twenty plus point lead
in a game he's won the majority of them. There's
not at one point time in that first half that
I think the Cowboys could win. And then it just
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started getting weird. Me and Colin were gonna go early,
and it's like God, and now it's twenty one fourteen,
and I just I can't even describe what I witnessed,
an all time meltdown of just doing nothing. What I
don't get is they come out the Eagles and they're
just slicing and dicing the Cowboys and Aj Brown looks fantastic,
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He's into it, Davante's making plays, Jalen's got a rhythm.
And then the second half starts and it's just like
punt punt, punt, punt, miss field goal punt. It's like, how,
I don't get it. And I saw say One have
some comments after the game, trying to put it on himself,
saying that he's been a non factor all season. I
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do think there's some truth to that. I don't know
if he's had a huge year, maybe feel himself a
little bit in the offseason, but like their offensive line
clearly is nowhere near what it was last year, but
a huge reason that they were such a dominant team
last year. Is he had like seven or eight runs
of over fifty yards. Obviously he had whatever, he had
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two thousand rushing yards on the season. He had one
of the truly great you know, just years for a
running back that you will ever see. But there is
no explosive big play capability from their running game. And
clearly when they just have to depend on the pass
throughout the entire game that they can't maintain it. And
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I've had people DM and me and texting me. I
know a lot of Eagle fans in my life, like
how can this guy who is right now, I don't
know how many touchdowns he's thrown on the season, but
he only has thrown one interception, like Jalen does not
turn it over. You can go through these stretches where
it just looks like he is like there is no
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nothing happens. It's like, what did I just witness out
of those three plays. And the knock on him has
been that when you play zone, he will just din conduct.
He will not press the envelope down the field. And
I do think that's indicative of the number of he
hasn't thrown any picks because he's not willing to take chances.
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And you watch as this game now, granted, their backs
against the wall, they need to push the ball, but
like Dak consistently you know in moments now. Granted, sometimes
where Dak does his scariest work is when he's down,
like twenty one, twenty four, twenty eight, nothing, That's where
Dak can put up some hollostats. But today he played legitimate,
high level football and George Pickens has thoroughly outplayed Ceedee
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lamp I will take a huge out. Jalen has seventeen touchdowns,
but when you watch him play, especially when they go
through these ruts, he does not feel like a guy
with a seventeen to one touchdown to interception ratio because
he's not willing to take chances. And clearly, looking back
on that game, it's like, well, they had a game
plan and he felt comfortable with the first ten to
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fifteen plays, but as the game goes on, it just
kind of gets bogged down in the mud and it
just goes nowhere. And then their running game doesn't exist
because their interior offensive lines in shambles. Obviously, Lane Johnson's injured,
Saquon I don't know if he's lost a step, he
just doesn't have the same burst, And all of a sudden,
George Pickens looks like, I don't know. Terrell Owens meets
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Randy Moss and he's been he's been elite. He's outplayed
Ceedee Lamb. He simply has. And he had some comments
last week. Clearly matured. Now you could argue some guys,
you gotta be careful about people in contract years, but
he is a dominant, dominant player and let's face it,
like Ceedee Lamb has had stretches this year where it's
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like kind of underwhelming, had a lot of big drops.
I mean one of the reasons that they lost. They
easily could be six' four and one if it wasn't
For Ceedee lamb's big Drops week one Against. Philadelphia he
had more, Today But George picken's, like don't, WORRY i got,
you and he, does and he did. Today he had
a massive. GAME i mean the last two weeks he
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has twenty, catches three hundred yards and two. Touchdowns he
has been as good of a player as anyone in THE.
Nfl And jerry deserves a lot of credit because everyone
was shitting on. Him you can't Trade Micah. Parsons, well he,
did and they've been, fine and, honestly Adding Quinn, williams
their defense looks dramatically better because you put him next To,
clark they just feel much more of like a solidified.
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Unit and then, offensively the other thing Is Javonte williams
was a. Guy he's, like oh this guy, shot don't
mess with. Him he runs his ass, off so you
put Him. Ferguson even THOUGH cd has kind of hit
or missed this, year the threat of him takes so
much pressure Off. GEORGE i, Mean george is every bit
as good as a number two wide receiver as there
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has been in THE nfl in twenty twenty. Five and
now there's gonna be a lot of pressure on The
cowboys that Even dak said, LIKE i can't imagine like
him going. ANYWHERE i want him, Here so you would
Imagine jerry's gonna pay, him and there's gonna be a
lot of pressure on their draft picks this. Offseason but
that was a fantastic. Win Brian schottenheimer deserves a lot of.
Credit another guy that everyone shit. On everyone just took
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a pulled their pants down and took a dump on
the Higher i'm probably guilty as. Well there is no
disputing that he's excellent With dak and the offense throughout
the majority of the season has been. AWESOME i also
THOUGHT i was, like you're gonna put a wild card
human Like George pickens On Brian schottenheimer feels a little,
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unfair and he's, thrived so he deserves credit for that as.
Well he can handle. Personalities he's getting the best out
of his. Players so If I'm, Jerry i'm taking a
pretty big victory lap all week long leading right Into
thanksgiving WHEN i host The. Chiefs, okay before we dive
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of giants fans in my. Life and the one THING
i will, say And i've always said this us on
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The West coast when AND i having been in radio
and just a lot of my friends are big niner.
People when they, suck no one pays, attention people stop watching. Them,
yet having lived In philly knowing all these giants People
New england that in The northeast it's kind of like
THE sec even when you, suck they're still going to consume.
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It they kind of need, it and they try to
find positive little elements to the team and to the,
operation little things they can hold on to for the,
future WHICH i, Appreciate LIKE i love. THIS i do
this for a. LIVING i can talk football any team with,
anybody AND i do, wonder AND i mentioned this To
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coward today that they if The giants would have Made
Jameis winston the backup from the jump and honestly even
made him the starting quarterback from the, jump and then
when they went To, Jackson dart just Turned jamis into the,
backup Would brian Dave ill still have a job because
Clearly jamis is a lot better Than Russell. Wilson now
he's clearly a wild. Card and The lions defenses in,
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shambles like they have issues they can't. Stop anybody, say
it looks like the same exact thing from last. Year explosive,
plays guys wide. Open and this is Not Mario, Manningham
Odell beckham And Malik neighbors running around out. There It's Wandale,
robinson a bunch of. Randos you, Know cam scattaboo's getting
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into it with people On twitter because he has a
cast on his, leg bitch and moan about him going
To Monday Night. Raw so the Players jamis is throwing
to will probably not be on the team in a
couple of. Years you look, up he's thrown for over
three hundred fifty, yards he catches a, touchdown breaks. TACKLES
i Respect Dan campbell a, lot and him making The
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lions respectable is as impressive as anything you'll ever. See
like it should not, happen and it. Happened it's like
When Jim harbough showed up At stanford and they were
one to. ELEVEN a couple of years, later they're in
A bcs. Game it's, like how'd you do? This it's
like will determination? Heart but once you get to the highest,
level you kind of need some. Players like that's the
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thing with The. Eagles it's gonna be impossible to quit
The eagles going into the playoffs because you're, like they
could beat. Anybody they have the players, right they have the,
elite blue chip guys at different. Positions you look around The,
Lions you're, like are they good? Enough like are They
they Got Aiden, hutchinson but you Know arnold's. Hurt who
are These? LIKE i don't think they. Are and what
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we also know about The lions they gotta go on the.
Road if you tell me they're the wild card and
they're going To, Philly they're going To Green, bay guess
what we're all gonna? Do AND i Love Jared. Goff
i've watched his entire, career going back from when he
was a freshman on a one win team At. Cal
i'm a huge golf, fan but he's got serious limitations,
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outdoors and if it's freezing cold and he's got the two,
gloves none of us are gonna believe in. Him SO
i do, believe AND i think The lions are gonna
be one and done here come to the playoffs and
the team that's trending a little, bit just because at,
home if they can win the, division they control. It
they still play The bears. Twice that defense is. Fantastic
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and listen the stats ON jj. McCarthy i saw something
THAT i put in our group chat that he was as.
Bad basically the only guy worse through a certain amount
of games Was JaMarcus. Russell WHERE i put, IT i
won't even be able to find, it but it was.
Essential here it. IS jj McCarthy now ranks eight hundred
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and fifty first out of eight hundred and fifty two
and expected AN epa per dropback among qualified passers since two,
thousand so basically The internet. Era the only player below
McCarthy is a man Named JaMarcus. Russell but oh, wait
it gets worse when eliminating dropbacks with quick pressures under
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two point five. SECONDS jj McCarthy's performance against The packers
ranked three hundred and forty fourth of three hundred and
forty six quarterback performances this year IN epa per. Dropback
when he dropped backs today and really in the entire,
season it is stunning when something good. Happens, obviously The
packers are eligue, defense they were flying. Around it was
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my favorite bet on the. BOARD jj McCarthy going Into.
LAMBEAU i don't know what that number would have had
to be to put some money on The, vikings but
for me probably would have had to been at minimum
fifteen plus. Points and that game went about AS i.
EXPECTED jj McCarthy looks. Atrocious and The packers, defense, listen
they're really, good and if they are able to get
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home games At, lambeau they're going to be extremely tough
because we know how, naturally like a lot of their,
games if it's ten degrees in the middle Of january
and you can't feel your, hands you can't feel your,
feet it's hard to sling it. Around so, naturally sometimes
in those. MOMENTS i remember when The niners went in
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there a couple of years ago Against. Rogers it was awful.
Weather there aren't going to be many points to be,
scored so you have a huge advantage if you have
an elite. Defense and historically The, packers especially many years With,
rogers didn't have a good. Defense well now they got
a dominant defense with an awesome pass. Rush so if
i'm The, packers like, listen our offense is going to
be a little hit or, miss but if we can
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get home games At, lambeau we are going to be
tough to. Beat so clearly got to win the. Division
and who. Knows With, philly, right you couldn't start rooting
for The. Bears you want The bears to beat The,
eagles and then you beat The. Bears and speaking of The,
bears it's been pretty cool if you're A bears fan
because of how shitty you have. Been it'd be like
if next year The New York giants are eight and
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three or eight and, four it's, like well you've. Played
nobody'd be, LIKE i don't. Care have you watched us
play for the last? Decade we are apologizing to. Nobody
AND i mentioned this To coward once he got sacked BY.
Tj watt and the play in the end zone where
the Uh pittsburgh fell on it and The steelers went
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up fourteen to, SEVEN i, WENT i could kind of
see them implode in this. Game and not only did
they not, IMPLODE i Thought caleb showed a lot of mental.
FORTITUDE i thought he showed a lot of mental. Toughness
AND i thought he played the best second half he
has all, season given how it kind of, started how
it could have got away from, him and he was
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getting rid of the ball. Fast he makes explosive. Plays
obviously as a, scrambler he's. Excellent and the other thing
was for the first time in a, while and The
bears are one of the better rushing attacks in THE.
NFL i think technically their number, TWO i don't know
what they. Are after a day they were not running
the ball well at, all so a lot of pressure and,
listen their defense isn't any. Good so the pressure was
On caleb and he came. Through like Comparing Caleb williams
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AND jj, McCarthy Caleb williams Like Joe montana Or Tom
brady compared TO jj McCarthy like there is no arguing
that if you're A vikings, fan like this guy stinks
and it doesn't bring me. Joy i'm not rooting against,
him but you can't wear that war. Paint you can't
look like A viking going out to battle and then
play like. That if you're gonna wear that war, paint
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you gotta be good at. Football it works in college
if you're on the number one team in the. Country
it does not work in the pros if you're throwing
two or three interceptions a. Game so props To caleb
and luckily for if you're A bears, fan The vikings
are an absolute shambles and The lions are kind of
leaking oil as. Well i've said this for a. While
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The steelers are in full implosion. Mode they're just not that.
Good and if it's not FOR. Tj watt making some incredible,
play they're just not very good their. OFFENSE i, Mean
Mason rudolph was dinking and dunking my eyes to death.
Today it's, like can you push the ball down the?
Field and then you try and it wasn't even. Close
AND Jj, watt who has a fantastic head of hair
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as a bald, man who is pretty good judge of
other people's. LETTUCE Jj. WATT i don't know if he's
a ten out of, ten that'd be Like Brad, pitt
but he's like a. Nine just a remarkable head of
lettuce on that man's, head but his brother and that
team is gonna circle the. Drain. Now The ravens are
not very good. Either Lamar jackson looks like he's like
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seventy percent right. Now he's clearly banged, up doesn't quite
have the same. Juice they were just kind of playing
with their food today against The. Jets they still won the,
Game henriette a couple of, touchdowns but they look kind
of like a one and done team as. Well, obviously
The bengals, stink and The browns have three, wins but
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at least they're somewhat interesting because they Got Miles garrett Now.
Shadoor but they're not any good as a team. Either
so THE Afc north went from was it a couple
of years ago where like that's the best division in
football to now being like that division. Stinks So i'd be.
Stunned it's a one playoff bid. Division whoever wins the
division will be the four, seed AND i think depending
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on who they, play more than likely they are a
one and done. TEAM a couple things Now Monday Night.
Football one story that went pretty viral over the, weekend
This BRANDON I yuk, situation AND i Read Mike silver
And diana's. ARTICLE i Watched Kyle shanahan's press, CONFERENCE i
saw rap sheet And Gara folo and some of those
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guys ON Nfl network chime. In AND i gotta be
honest as we head To Monday Night football and all
this team as, close if not closer than any other
team in the. League i'm really. CONFUSED i do not
quite understand what's going. On because the story broke that
I uke is going to give up twenty five million
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dollars and not even fight, it AND i want in
one you cannot do that as a human being unless
you're like, bezos LIKE i, mean super super. Rich no
one ever just willingly gives up twenty five million. Dollars
and he'd be Like, john what if something egregious happens
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and he doesn't want it to get? Out, Well Kyle
shanahan mentioned yesterday this situation all started In. July, well
training camp kind of starts In july what's the worst
thing that could. Happen he doesn't show up day one In,
july that doesn't get twenty five million dollars. Voided there
are still more holes in this story than there are.
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ANSWERS i do not quite understand what is, happening and
we don't have enough details because it does not make.
Sense it does not pass the sniff, test especially When
Kyle shanahan, goes, YEAH i take it. Back if he's,
healthy he'll play by no. Means is it over? Now
maybe he's saying that because some team lawyers tell him
to say, That but Then Gara folo and Rap sheet
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are saying, like, yeah it's not out of the realm
possibility that he still plays this season for the forty nine.
Ers i'm, like, what what the fuck are we talking about?
This this is a story that is typically made for
those type teams that win like two or three. Games
underrated part about the forty Nine ers of The shanahan,
era they've won a lot of, games but they've had
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some weird stuff going. On, now clearly this. Situation they
regretted this. CONTRACT i feel like the moment the ink
dried the day he signed. It if they could have
a do over over any contract or any, situation probably
Be Trey lance because they want the first rounders, back
but in terms of a veteran player that they, resigned
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it would be this because this has just been a disastrous.
Situation honestly pretty embarrassing for everyone involved that you're avoiding
guarantees and clearly something weird enough happened that just the
guy is not gonna fight. It John lynch's agent is
Also Brandon ayuk's. AGENT i just know. This there are
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things that do not add. Up they do not pass
the smell. Test that is this. Situation i'm still waiting
for more shoes to drop BEFORE i like just crush
or take a. Position because Even kyle, Said i've never
had this. Happen what? Happened what did he? Do not show?
Up not show? Up gets twenty five million dollars voided
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in what fucking? World that's why you have a player's.
Union and then then he's, like, nah just don't even fight.
It what agent and what union representative allows that to?
Happen most times in, situations it could be like three hundred,
Grand it could be like an eight hundred thousand dollars
bonus in your, agent the union would fight for, it
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let alone twenty five million. DOLLARS i just, Honestly i'm
at a LONG i felt more, Confused LIKE i felt
like reading that, Article i'm, like this is. Weird and
THEN i Watched kyle talk And he's, like, oh this
happened In. July happened In. July not enough could happen
In july to make this. Happen and THEN i started, thinking,
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like Is kyle trying to be careful about saying something
that he'll? Regret and then obviously people chimed in today
saying that he could come. Back i'm, like, WHAT i
found myself more confused at the end of the weekend
THAN i did at the beginning WHEN i first read the.
Article but just the classic situation of what a. Disaster you,
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KNOW i think the forty nine, ers if they are
able to truly void this, money they got pretty lucky
to get out of this situation because they do not
want any part of the brand AND i us business
now Speaking monday night, football you, know think about, it The,
rams The, eagles The, lions The, packers The. BEARS i,
mean this is the, playoffs the forty Nine ers and The.
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Panthers this is a pseudo playoff game as, Well like
there is a lot on the line in this. Game
the one THING i will, say BECAUSE i think a
lot of people myself included right, now the line seven
and a, HALF i do think taking The panthers plus
seven and a half is the right. Pick two, things,
though make me a little nervous If i'm taking that.
Bet one from the forty nine ers, perspective their Bright lights,
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Team Kyle shanahan has coached a lot of These monday
And sunday night. Games last TIME i, checked he's won
a lot of. Them think about this Year Sunday night
when he had a bunch of injuries against The Atlanta,
falcons dominated. Them Thursday night With Mac jones against The La,
rams what happened? There won it in. Overtime now you're
playing The. Panthers Bryce young's never played a big game
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in the. Pros he just. Hasn't, NOW i do give him.
Credit he showed some metal. Toughness he's hung in. There.
Clearly ted McMillan looks like an excellent draft. Pick but
what have The panthers been in this? Environment? Now if
you're gonna go into this, environment it's kind of like shador,
listen making your first start a lot of, pressure even he,
admitted felt like everyone's looking at. Me people are rooting
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for me to. Fail it's much easier to go up
against The raiders than like The, Packers so it's much
easier for, you the forty Nine, ers to play a
team with just a lot of unknowns than The rams
Or seattle in this. Spot BUT i just have a
hard time seeing The panthers winning On Monday night football
At Levi. STADIUM i think the forty Nine ers, Offense, kittle,
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McCaffrey piersoll's back, Now Juwan, jennings you know pretty obviously
was really good against The arizona a week. AGO i
think they're scoring thirty. Plus and to, me the question
is obviously The niners, defense, beside Like, lenore is a
bunch of guys you've never heard. Of it's a lot
of random. Players and no matter how good your defensive
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coordinator is in the highest levels of college and the
highest obviously THE, nfl you gotta have Some jimmies And
joe's to go with the x's nose on. DEFENSE i
can scheme guys open on. Offense great offensive coordinators have
made random guys look good on. Offense it's hard to
make random guys look good playing defensive. End you can
either bend the, edge have a bull, rush you, know
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overwhelm a, guard or you. Can't you can either make
an open field tackle or you. Can't and that's the
question mark with the forty nine. Ers do they have
the jimmies and The joe's that at least can make
a couple. Stops now you're playing a quarterback That Monday night,
football a lot of hype like, This bucks And. Shambles
you're in position to win the. DIVISION i, mean If
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carolina wins this, GAME i have a hard, time especially
depending on What baker's injury, Is they're gonna be division
champs more and, likely as crazy as that, sounds they
lose this. Game who. Knows AND i JUST i have
a hard time closing my eyes just Seeing Bryce young
dominated On Monday night. Football Maybe i'm. Wrong he obviously
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was good last week Against Atlanta. Tech McMillan's been a.
Stud Even laguett started showing a little. Bit dwaddle's. Good
they got some good offensive, pieces they got a good offensive,
line went. Healthy Dave canalis has clearly been pretty. Solid
like he's a good offensive. COORDINATOR i know he's the head,
coach but he calls the. Place But i'm TAKING i
like the forty nine ers to. WIN i Like carolina to,
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cover So i'm Taking carolina plus seven and a. HALF
i Like Ricky piersoll score. TOUCHDOWN i Like George kittle
to score, touchdown AND i Like tech McMillan to score.
Touchdown that plays over twenty to. One SO i put
that little parlay together on hard rock. Bets SO i
do think seven and a half with the forty nine ers,
defense especially with a backdoor, cover like the forty nine
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ers to win. Outright but that's a lot of points
for a defense that's rolling out a practice, squad a.
Roster have a great, night see you. Later the volume
The volume What is going on Everybody, John Middlecoff three
and Out podcast. A lot going on. We had a long,
(00:22):
long football day, the Rams destroy Tampa. Probably the craziest
moment of the day though, is the Eagles falling apart
and the Cowboys winning. We also just had a firing.
Chip Kelly is no longer the Eagles offensive coordinator, so
we'll dive into that as well. Packers ruined JJ McCarthy's career.
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The Lions barely win their defenses in shambles. Jamis is
just a roller coaster. We got a big Monday night
football game forty nine Ers, some thoughts on Brandon Iyut.
That story went viral. We will chime in on that obviously.
Thanksgiving week, so we got a lot to be thankful
for and we're gonna talk a lot of football. But
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nine Ers Panthers, which actually has a lot of playoff implications.
But let's just dive right into what we just witness
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on Sunday Night football. We will start with the Rams.
I do think you know, after the Eagles fell apart
and lost a just an awful game. I mean, you're
up twenty one nothing killing the Cowboys, that there's not
any part of any human being alive, including Jerry Jones,
Dak Prescott, Brian Schottenheimer. When they're up twenty one nothing,
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you think the Eagles were gonna lose, and then they did,
and then the Rams come out like that. You got
to say, the two best teams right now in the
NFC still are the Los Angeles Rams in Seattle, but
the Rams ceiling right now. You know the DeVante Adams move.
I mean you could argue two of the best offseason
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moves were Devonte Adams and George Pickens. I mean, both
guys are completely dominant now. The difference is, you know,
George was a very polarizing player. Davante was at least,
in my opinion, a first bout Hall of Fame level guy.
And I think this little run with Stafford is going
to really help solidify that because the way he looks
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with Matt looks like he did in the prime of
Aaron Rodgers' career. He is just a dominant force. I
think he has ten touchdowns on the year. He's uncoverable.
You put him with Puka, especially in the red zone.
Their offense looks incredible, their defense looks awesome. They're coaching
as elite. This is a team to me that just
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looks poised to compete, slash win a Super Bowl and
now that they you know, gain control of the conference,
like they can get home field advantage. And anytime you
give Sean McVay, I mean, this is a team you
give him a buye especially bat Stafford, they are going
to be extremely dangerous offensively, they have a potent passing game.
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You put him indoors hell, I mean, we saw him
last year in the playoff game in the snow go
toe to toe with the Eagles, who clearly then were
better than they are now. But you put this guy indoors.
You know what the weapons he has, how good their
defense is playing. I mean, I did not know this
Landman character from Colorado was essentially Ray Lewis reincarnated. They
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just extended him within the last forty eight hours. He's
hitting people today like he's Roquan Smith or Fred Warner.
I mean, I mean he's an elite player. Then Forbes,
the guy they traded for from Washington. I'll be honest,
I didn't know that much about him. It's like, yeah,
this guy was a first round pick, and even collins Worth,
It's like, you can't argue with the physical characteristics, and
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they've immediately flipped that guy overnight into a high end
contributing player. Like you speak about coaching, you speak about culture.
You know, if I'm a Commander fan, it's like, dan Quinn,
you're a defensive guy. We just had this guy. Our
secondary sucks. You couldn't make this work, Like what's going on?
He comes with Shula and McVeigh. Within a couple of weeks,
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he's making huge plays at night on Chris Godwin, Like god,
this guy's moving, He's mirroring the guy across the field
making plays on the ball, Like damn. Now, listen, Tampa
is really banged up obviously Bakers and shambles, but like
their back was kind of against the wall, and to
get curb stomped like they did tonight was to me
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much more of a reflection on the Rams than it
is on them. I mean, their seasons kind of spiraling
in the wrong direction. But the Rams are humming. You know.
You get the momentum last week from that Seattle game,
and they look like a team like right now. To me,
if I had to say, hey, who's gonna win a
Super Bowl? I would take them over Seattle just because
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I trust Matt Stafford a lot more than I trust
Sam Darnald. Now, you know, every time now I get
there playing the Titans, like Sam Donald is playing really
really well, but he is going to be under a
magnifying glass as we come down the home stretch and
obviously in the playoff game. But there is no disputing
something pretty special is going on with Matt Stafford. He's
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clearly going to be the betting favorite over the next
twenty four hours in the race to win the MVP.
He's playing as well as he ever has in his career.
That the back injury, which was a real thing he
could not practice in training camp, feels like something that
happened seven years ago. And I had someone actually send
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me a direct message and it kind of got me thinking.
And the gist of it was this guy was having
a conversation about quarterback legacies, and I brought up how
Matt Stafford is already a Hall of Famer, which I agree,
but if he wins and also wins the Super Bowl MVP,
that would put have been rarefied air because listen, some
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people have come, you know, kind of prisoner of the
moment comparing his career to Rogers' career. It's not even fair.
Aaron got to go to Green Bay, a place that
is called like quarterback Heaven. It's an incredible place to go.
And listen, I have always defended Rogers career in the
prime of his career in Green Bay, it didn't get
any better. Matt Safford played for the Lions, Right, You're
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gonna do a lot better in life when you go
to a place that knows what they're doing when you're
young than a place that had no clue. And when
he went to the Lions, it was a joke. But
what we have seen of him with Sean McVay over
these last four or five years, like he's already checked off.
If he had good coaching, no one could argue he
would have been considered one of the greatest players of
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all time. It's like, well, look at his record with
the Lions. Everyone's record before Dan Campbell got there, my
entire life was awful. They're two best players at thirty
years old quit Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson. Literally they said,
I'm done playing football at thirty years old. It's like unprecedented.
It never happens. He comes to the Rams, he's now
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taken them to the playoffs basically every year. Obviously he
won the Super Bowl and now he's gonna win an MVP.
So like he will never have the longevity of some
of these guys that are quote unquote his peers, obviously Rogers, Breeze, Roethlisberger,
those type players, because when they got and you see
it now with you know, Mahomes or Lamar, those guys
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got to the league and they immediately started winning. But
like if I put Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson on
the two thousand and eight Detroit Lions, I'm pretty confident
it wouldn't have gone that well. Why because it hadn't
gone well for literally everyone that went to that franchise.
And now I'm watching him with the Rams. I do
think it's whether they win the super Bowl this year
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or not. If he wins the MVP, like it's really
gonna be a validate for his career. And I also
think he'd have to start asking himself because the quarterback
draft this year is atrocious. It is not good. Beside
Fernando Mendoza, who's probably gonna go number one overall, there
is not another player that most people in the NFL
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feel comfortable that you would take in the top twenty picks. Well,
his franchise, the Rams, they have the Falcons first round pick,
so they're going to get a pick within the probably
the top fifteen, and then they're also going to have
their pick. Well, they have a young like DeVante Adams
is under contract for multiple years. Pukah's going nowhere, Karen
Williams is under contract, Lambman's under contract. All their defensive
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linemen are young and under contract. So this nucleus of
the team isn't going anywhere. So if you're Stafford, even
if you won an MVP and the Super Bowl doesn't
get much better, I know he's made a lot of money.
He literally has. I think he's one of, if not
the highest paid quarterbacks, or because most quarterbacks are the
highest paid players of all time. I think he's either
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three or two maybe Brady was one, or maybe Rogers
is one. I forget. I haven't looked at the list recently,
but he's definitely in the top five of all time
career earnings for an NFL player, and he's making forty
million dollars this year. But why not run it back
and make forty five million dollars again next year? If
this how good your team is? This how good you're playing?
Especially physically, he looks to be in great condition. The
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league has never been more conducive about extending your career
as a quarterback because they can't touch you. They literally
can't hit you. So if you're Matt Stafford and you
feel good, you clearly like living in Los Angeles. Your
head coach is also your offensive coordinator. You have this
great rapport. Now with these two wide receivers, your team's
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going to be in position to potentially draft some sweet
offensive lineman high. I don't think he's going anywhere. He
could only just start kind of gaining this legacy, which
is kind of cool. Every once in a while, you
get a guy that kind of becomes this legendary player
in his mid to late thirties, and some guys have
a stronger case than others. Right when I was in
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high school is rich Gannon who was kind of this afterthought.
Then Gruden convinces al Davis to bring him to the
Raiders and he resurrects his career for a four or
five year run, wins an MVP, takes a team to
a super Bowl. Now what Stafford's doing is more impressive,
and Stafford is a better player. But my point is
that sometimes you get in these situations. Did you get
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some like late life? Now, Stafford led a good life
in Detroit in terms of he was always making one of,
if not the highest paid players in the league, made
a ton of money. Clearly was a good player, but
was just in a dysfunctional place. Then he goes to
a place that just knows what they're doing, and you
watch him and now he's excelling and their franchise is
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thriving what they did a couple of years ago when
they pivoted and Sean clearly had to You know, listen,
he didn't handle losing well. All he had done his
win and he flirted with Amazon. Don't blame them. They
were gonna pay him fifteen plus million dollars to call
Thursday Night Football with Al Michaels. You work one day
a week, you fly everywhere in a private jet with Al.
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It's pretty good life, Like it's what I personally would
have chose. But you know, I'm a media talking guy.
You know, Sean mcvay's a football coach, and he realized, like, yeah,
my life's pretty good. And just because I'm a dad,
looked around a lot of football coaches have kids, and
he's meant to coach football and him staying him making
the move with his his college roommate Shula to be
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his defensive coordinator. That has been an incredible hire. And clearly,
I don't know if insecure is the right word, but
he was just hesitant to do it just the way
it would be looked upon, probably not even from the outside,
more internally guys on the staff. And he'd had a
bunch of good defensive coordinators. I mean, the moment he
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got there, Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley ran one of the
great scams of all time in twenty twenty. Obviously Raheem
was a stud for him, but Shula has been every
bit as good as all those guys. And if you
think about some of the teams that are probably gonna
have to beat you know, to win the NFC Seattle.
They're clearly pretty comfortable playing Sam Darnold. If they match
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up with the forty nine ers early, they're pretty comfortable
playing you know, that operation as a franchise, the Eagles.
They've played them really really well, despite losing the last
two times when they've played them this year and last
year in the playoffs. You know, the Lions are extremely flawed.
I feel really really good. Obviously, health can change anything
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at a moment's notice. But if you're a Rams fan
right now, I mean tonight, that that game was over
after the first quarter. That was a glorified training camp,
joint practice, you know for the Rams, and they're ride
and high, they look they look fantastic, and Matt Stafford
feels like he's kind of solidifying his legacy on a
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completely different level, which is cool because I think he
always had a lot of support orders in the NFL,
a lot of people that you thought that he was
better than he ever got credit for. And it's hard.
You don't get that much credit when you lose a lot.
You just don't fair not you can be a good
coach on a losing team. Because you're in a dysfunctional organization. Right,
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you can be a good player on a losing team
because you have a bad GM, a bad coach. And
when you see Matt Stafford with the Rams, it has
been impressive to watch. On the flip side, I'm a
big Jason White guy. I think he's one of the
best gms in the league. And their team, fully healthy,
is really good. But they are not only not fully healthy,
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they are trending in the wrong direction. And I get
asked a lot of questions about Todd Bowles, and even
Collinsworth mentioned it tonight. Like those two coaches tonight couldn't
be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Right. McVeigh
looks like a Hollywood actor. Todd looks like this old, grumpy,
kind of quiet guy. I like Todd. He was always
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cool to me when I worked with Philly. I think
he's an excellent defensive mind. But clearly the team is
really off kilter. If Baker is seriously injured, they are
just completely fucked. There really is no way around it.
They would have no chance to compete. I mean, Teddy
is an awesome guy, but I mean he was coaching
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high school two months ago. He was not planning on
being in the situation, so you throw him out there
out of desperation. The injuries on this team have continued
to mount. Obviously, the you know, Todd is a defensive
guy right now, and their defense looks atrocious. So even
if you go listen, you got some injuries, we don't
expect you to be the eighty five Bears. Can we
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just at least neutralize opponents a little bit? And the
answer right now is no. I mean, it felt like
they could have thrown to DeVante every single play and
there's nothing they could do. So I think Tampa right now.
A couple of weeks ago, it felt like they would
have been a shoe win to win this division. I
had the Panthers are coming, and they still play the
Panthers twice. Baker's health. If you told me Baker has
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a serious injury, he's gonna miss a lot of time,
I would say the Panthers could not only win this division.
You could convince me Tampa's not gonna win many games
moving forward. They can't stop a soul on defense. Their
offense without Mayfield is going to be in shambles, and
it just feels like the momentum that they had early
in the season, winning all those close games. I think
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you feel like you watch the Rams. You know, you
watch Seattle, you watch you know, some of these teams, Denvers,
some of these teams have a lot of momentum this year.
It feels like the Bucks had it and now they're
rolling back down the hill going in the wrong direction.
So I don't really know what else to say beside
it's not looking pretty at all, you know, for Tampa Bay.
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other stuff, there was just some breaking news about Chip
Kelly getting fired, and we'll we can talk a little
too about Shador and Miles Garrett. I never understood the
hire for the Raiders when it came to Chip Kelly.
This was a guy over the course of his last
couple of years at UCLA. Even they're good teams, they
were dominated by the defensive side of the ball. The
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offense was not good. Dante Moore, who's you know, become
a collegiate scar Star and was one of the I
don't know if he was second or third overall recruit.
He was supposed to go to Oregon, flip last second
went to chip They started him as a as a freshman,
and he looked atrocious. And you watch him with Oregon,
Dan Lanning and Will Stein, he looks fantastic. This notion
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that Chip Kelly is some dominant offensive mine in twenty
twenty five is laughable. Listen. I don't know if it's
Pete Carroll, if it was Tom Brady, but to give
Chip Kelly three years, eighteen million dollars in twenty twenty
five is one of the more crazy financial investments in
recent memory. It really is insane. Obviously, the Pete Carroll
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situation is not going well. It's it's safe to say
I think we overuse this term. We just use it
for anything right now, like is your dog just washed? No,
my dog's old. He can't walk that fast. But anything
that we see that's slowing downs goas washed. Pete Carroll
might legitimately be over the hill. It might be over
same thing for Belichick. Like sometimes you get in your
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mid seventies, no matter how much you love football, no
matter how much you think about football, no matter how
much just a football lifer, you just lose your fastball.
I mean, we saw that video of Nick Saban on
the Lazy Boy watching Bill's Chiefs when Miss Terry screams
at him to sit up, like he kind of looked
like a grandpa similar age to those guys. He just
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didn't have his fastball anymore. Doesn't mean he doesn't love football,
doesn't mean he doesn't think about football all the time.
But it was just over. And I respect him for
just saying I'm out. Pete Carroll just just couldn't live
without it. He's richer than he ever could have imagined
his wildest dreams, if you would ask him at thirty
or forty years old. But there's just some like I
don't know if he's got to scratch his itch with
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the ego, but watching him today, I mean, people talk
a lot of shit about Stefanski myself included a little bit.
They were just running circles around the Raiders. But like
part of Chip Kelly, once you get like an innovative
offensive guy, you should watch something. Go God, I see
some stuff like I'm watching Stefanski today. He called some
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just deeper breaking routes for Shador. Why he's got a
bigger arm than Dylan Gabriel. And then they got in
the goal line and they like Ransom Wildcat, just direct
snap to Junkins. You can't stop this guy because he's
one of the well, Miles Garretts the best player on
the field, Max Cross about the second best player on
the field. But this guy's might be the third best
player in the field. We're gonna direct snap into him.
You watch Chip Kelly, he's just running a normal offense.
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It's like I thought this guy was like this innovative guy. No,
what he is is he's running an all time scam
and he got eighteen million dollars. More power to him,
But that is gonna go down as one of the
most insane hires in recent memory, especially when you factor
and he got that much money, because who were you
bidding against? What was he making at Ohio State two
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and a half million dollars. You had to almost three
x his money. The guy went from this kind of
legendary person to just turned into this mercenary chasing cash
and he was good at it. But left UCLA a
couple of years ago, high and dry went to Ohio State.
You know, it was a huge reason that they lost
to Michigan for the four straight year as a twenty
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point favorite last year, running one of the worst game
plans you've ever seen. Obviously got hot in the playoffs
and parlayed that into getting fired before Thanksgiving. And listen,
Pete Carroll's fired a lot of coaches, and typically when
you fire a coordinator in a situation that's getting really ugly,
you're next. So I think at this point in time,
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if I was a betting man, I would say Pete
Carroll's going to be one and done. And you know,
speaking of that game, obviously, Chador just gave the Browns
a little life. I mean, Dyal Gabrils is not good.
You know, I'm not going to act like Shador is
the second coming here of Patrick Mahomes. Let's see him
play a real team, because right now the Raiders are
not a team that's you know, that's like a minor
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league operation. Pretty embarrassing, honestly. And that's back to Pete Carroll, like,
I don't know what's going on, but you only play
who's on the schedule. Chadour had a couple just explosive
plays down the field, kind of refreshing if you're a
Browns fan, and I think he showed enough like he's
starting the rest of the year. And if I'm Jimmy
Haslam and they showed the picture of like the GM
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with his laptop and Jimmy behind him on his phone,
like scrolling Twitter or looking at babes on Instagram or something,
I think Jimmy just just playing. I appreciate the Browns too,
bringing Deshaun Watson to mentor Chador quite the combination. But
to me, the story for the Browns is I've been
watching football a long time, Miles Garrett, and I wasn't
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old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor beside the highlights on
YouTube and obviously the way people talk about him, and
you just watch the highlights, I mean, show up benders
on crack and then get three sacks against Joe Montana
bellishe and parcels, you know, will go to their grave
calling him the greatest defensive player of all time. The
greatest defensive players I've seen will probably like Reggie White,
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ray Lewis, ed Reid. There's a short list of guys.
Miles Garrett is every bit as good as any of
those guys. And today he was just a man amongst boys.
And I get the Raiders offensive line is in shambles,
but they might as well have had me out there.
They might as well have had a cone out there,
because it did not matter. He had three sacks. You know,
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he has eighteen now in the season. I think my
producer Shane was telling me he's got like thirteen in
this month. He is just an absolute wrecking ball of
domination coming off the edge. I mean he looks like
a Greek god his ability to bend an explosion and tenacity.
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I stand by what I said. I do believe that
they should have traded him just because their team is
so bad. I mean, they're gonna win four games with
a guy that's gonna end up with like twenty five
twenty eight sacks. But I also can understand if you're
the owner, are we ever gonna have a player this
good again. But if you just go who the best
players in the history of the Browns, you'd be like
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Jim Brown, Miles Garrett, Like that's kind of Joe Thomas.
Like it's a pretty short list of like all time
great players, and like I do get it, Like we
just need someone that some of our fans can be
proud of. And you know, when Schador hit the big
bomb early in the game, you saw his excitement. So
if you're gonna motivate him just with a little more juice,
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the Browns just today became a little more interesting while
the Raiders all time circle the drain moment, I mean, god,
that was that was embarrassing. The stat stuck he had
given me is the Browns since two thousand have started,
seventeen guys have made their debut for the Cleveland Browns,
and they were zero to seventeen. Well, Chador ended that
today speaking of streaks that ended. I can't imagine how
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often you're up twenty one nothing in the first half
and you lose a game. Right, Nick Sirianni was fifty
five and twenty two coming into this game, and I
would imagine anytime he's at a twenty plus point lead
in a game he's won the majority of them. There's
not at one point time in that first half that
I think the Cowboys could win. And then it just
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started getting weird. Me and Colin were gonna go early,
and it's like God, and now it's twenty one fourteen,
and I just I can't even describe what I witnessed,
an all time meltdown of just doing nothing. What I
don't get is they come out the Eagles and they're
just slicing and dicing the Cowboys and Aj Brown looks fantastic,
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He's into it, Davante's making plays, Jalen's got a rhythm.
And then the second half starts and it's just like
punt punt, punt, punt, miss field goal punt. It's like, how,
I don't get it. And I saw say One have
some comments after the game, trying to put it on himself,
saying that he's been a non factor all season. I
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do think there's some truth to that. I don't know
if he's had a huge year, maybe feel himself a
little bit in the offseason, but like their offensive line
clearly is nowhere near what it was last year, but
a huge reason that they were such a dominant team
last year. Is he had like seven or eight runs
of over fifty yards. Obviously he had whatever, he had
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two thousand rushing yards on the season. He had one
of the truly great you know, just years for a
running back that you will ever see. But there is
no explosive big play capability from their running game. And
clearly when they just have to depend on the pass
throughout the entire game that they can't maintain it. And
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I've had people DM and me and texting me. I
know a lot of Eagle fans in my life, like
how can this guy who is right now, I don't
know how many touchdowns he's thrown on the season, but
he only has thrown one interception, like Jalen does not
turn it over. You can go through these stretches where
it just looks like he is like there is no
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nothing happens. It's like, what did I just witness out
of those three plays. And the knock on him has
been that when you play zone, he will just din conduct.
He will not press the envelope down the field. And
I do think that's indicative of the number of he
hasn't thrown any picks because he's not willing to take chances.
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And you watch as this game now, granted, their backs
against the wall, they need to push the ball, but
like Dak consistently you know in moments now. Granted, sometimes
where Dak does his scariest work is when he's down,
like twenty one, twenty four, twenty eight, nothing, That's where
Dak can put up some hollostats. But today he played legitimate,
high level football and George Pickens has thoroughly outplayed Ceedee
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lamp I will take a huge out. Jalen has seventeen touchdowns,
but when you watch him play, especially when they go
through these ruts, he does not feel like a guy
with a seventeen to one touchdown to interception ratio because
he's not willing to take chances. And clearly, looking back
on that game, it's like, well, they had a game
plan and he felt comfortable with the first ten to
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fifteen plays, but as the game goes on, it just
kind of gets bogged down in the mud and it
just goes nowhere. And then their running game doesn't exist
because their interior offensive lines in shambles. Obviously, Lane Johnson's injured,
Saquon I don't know if he's lost a step, he
just doesn't have the same burst, And all of a sudden,
George Pickens looks like, I don't know. Terrell Owens meets
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Randy Moss and he's been he's been elite. He's outplayed
Ceedee Lamb. He simply has. And he had some comments
last week. Clearly matured. Now you could argue some guys,
you gotta be careful about people in contract years, but
he is a dominant, dominant player and let's face it,
like Ceedee Lamb has had stretches this year where it's
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like kind of underwhelming, had a lot of big drops.
I mean one of the reasons that they lost. They
easily could be six' four and one if it wasn't
For Ceedee lamb's big Drops week one Against. Philadelphia he
had more, Today But George picken's, like don't, WORRY i got,
you and he, does and he did. Today he had
a massive. GAME i mean the last two weeks he
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has twenty, catches three hundred yards and two. Touchdowns he
has been as good of a player as anyone in THE.
Nfl And jerry deserves a lot of credit because everyone
was shitting on. Him you can't Trade Micah. Parsons, well he,
did and they've been, fine and, honestly Adding Quinn, williams
their defense looks dramatically better because you put him next To,
clark they just feel much more of like a solidified.
(29:50):
Unit and then, offensively the other thing Is Javonte williams
was a. Guy he's, like oh this guy, shot don't
mess with. Him he runs his ass, off so you
put Him. Ferguson even THOUGH cd has kind of hit
or missed this, year the threat of him takes so
much pressure Off. GEORGE i, Mean george is every bit
as good as a number two wide receiver as there
(30:11):
has been in THE nfl in twenty twenty. Five and
now there's gonna be a lot of pressure on The
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him going. ANYWHERE i want him, Here so you would
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lot of pressure on their draft picks this. Offseason but
that was a fantastic. Win Brian schottenheimer deserves a lot of.
Credit another guy that everyone shit. On everyone just took
(30:33):
a pulled their pants down and took a dump on
the Higher i'm probably guilty as. Well there is no
disputing that he's excellent With dak and the offense throughout
the majority of the season has been. AWESOME i also
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human Like George pickens On Brian schottenheimer feels a little,
(30:54):
unfair and he's, thrived so he deserves credit for that as.
Well he can handle. Personalities he's getting the best out
of his. Players so If I'm, Jerry i'm taking a
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he's clearly a wild. Card and The lions defenses in,
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shambles like they have issues they can't. Stop anybody, say
it looks like the same exact thing from last. Year explosive,
plays guys wide. Open and this is Not Mario, Manningham
Odell beckham And Malik neighbors running around out. There It's Wandale,
robinson a bunch of. Randos you, Know cam scattaboo's getting
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into it with people On twitter because he has a
cast on his, leg bitch and moan about him going
To Monday Night. Raw so the Players jamis is throwing
to will probably not be on the team in a
couple of. Years you look, up he's thrown for over
three hundred fifty, yards he catches a, touchdown breaks. TACKLES
i Respect Dan campbell a, lot and him making The
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lions respectable is as impressive as anything you'll ever. See
like it should not, happen and it. Happened it's like
When Jim harbough showed up At stanford and they were
one to. ELEVEN a couple of years, later they're in
A bcs. Game it's, like how'd you do? This it's
like will determination? Heart but once you get to the highest,
level you kind of need some. Players like that's the
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thing with The. Eagles it's gonna be impossible to quit
The eagles going into the playoffs because you're, like they
could beat. Anybody they have the players, right they have the,
elite blue chip guys at different. Positions you look around The,
Lions you're, like are they good? Enough like are They
they Got Aiden, hutchinson but you Know arnold's. Hurt who
are These? LIKE i don't think they. Are and what
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we also know about The lions they gotta go on the.
Road if you tell me they're the wild card and
they're going To, Philly they're going To Green, bay guess
what we're all gonna? Do AND i Love Jared. Goff
i've watched his entire, career going back from when he
was a freshman on a one win team At. Cal
i'm a huge golf, fan but he's got serious limitations,
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outdoors and if it's freezing cold and he's got the two,
gloves none of us are gonna believe in. Him SO
i do, believe AND i think The lions are gonna
be one and done here come to the playoffs and
the team that's trending a little, bit just because at,
home if they can win the, division they control. It
they still play The bears. Twice that defense is. Fantastic
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and listen the stats ON jj. McCarthy i saw something
THAT i put in our group chat that he was as.
Bad basically the only guy worse through a certain amount
of games Was JaMarcus. Russell WHERE i put, IT i
won't even be able to find, it but it was.
Essential here it. IS jj McCarthy now ranks eight hundred
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and fifty first out of eight hundred and fifty two
and expected AN epa per dropback among qualified passers since two,
thousand so basically The internet. Era the only player below
McCarthy is a man Named JaMarcus. Russell but oh, wait
it gets worse when eliminating dropbacks with quick pressures under
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two point five. SECONDS jj McCarthy's performance against The packers
ranked three hundred and forty fourth of three hundred and
forty six quarterback performances this year IN epa per. Dropback
when he dropped backs today and really in the entire,
season it is stunning when something good. Happens, obviously The
packers are eligue, defense they were flying. Around it was
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my favorite bet on the. BOARD jj McCarthy going Into.
LAMBEAU i don't know what that number would have had
to be to put some money on The, vikings but
for me probably would have had to been at minimum
fifteen plus. Points and that game went about AS i.
EXPECTED jj McCarthy looks. Atrocious and The packers, defense, listen
they're really, good and if they are able to get
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home games At, lambeau they're going to be extremely tough
because we know how, naturally like a lot of their,
games if it's ten degrees in the middle Of january
and you can't feel your, hands you can't feel your,
feet it's hard to sling it. Around so, naturally sometimes
in those. MOMENTS i remember when The niners went in
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there a couple of years ago Against. Rogers it was awful.
Weather there aren't going to be many points to be,
scored so you have a huge advantage if you have
an elite. Defense and historically The, packers especially many years With,
rogers didn't have a good. Defense well now they got
a dominant defense with an awesome pass. Rush so if
i'm The, packers like, listen our offense is going to
be a little hit or, miss but if we can
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get home games At, lambeau we are going to be
tough to. Beat so clearly got to win the. Division
and who. Knows With, philly, right you couldn't start rooting
for The. Bears you want The bears to beat The,
eagles and then you beat The. Bears and speaking of The,
bears it's been pretty cool if you're A bears fan
because of how shitty you have. Been it'd be like
if next year The New York giants are eight and
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three or eight and, four it's, like well you've. Played
nobody'd be, LIKE i don't. Care have you watched us
play for the last? Decade we are apologizing to. Nobody
AND i mentioned this To coward once he got sacked BY.
Tj watt and the play in the end zone where
the Uh pittsburgh fell on it and The steelers went
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up fourteen to, SEVEN i, WENT i could kind of
see them implode in this. Game and not only did
they not, IMPLODE i Thought caleb showed a lot of mental.
FORTITUDE i thought he showed a lot of mental. Toughness
AND i thought he played the best second half he
has all, season given how it kind of, started how
it could have got away from, him and he was
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getting rid of the ball. Fast he makes explosive. Plays
obviously as a, scrambler he's. Excellent and the other thing
was for the first time in a, while and The
bears are one of the better rushing attacks in THE.
NFL i think technically their number, TWO i don't know
what they. Are after a day they were not running
the ball well at, all so a lot of pressure and,
listen their defense isn't any. Good so the pressure was
On caleb and he came. Through like Comparing Caleb williams
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AND jj, McCarthy Caleb williams Like Joe montana Or Tom
brady compared TO jj McCarthy like there is no arguing
that if you're A vikings, fan like this guy stinks
and it doesn't bring me. Joy i'm not rooting against,
him but you can't wear that war. Paint you can't
look like A viking going out to battle and then
play like. That if you're gonna wear that war, paint
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you gotta be good at. Football it works in college
if you're on the number one team in the. Country
it does not work in the pros if you're throwing
two or three interceptions a. Game so props To caleb
and luckily for if you're A bears, fan The vikings
are an absolute shambles and The lions are kind of
leaking oil as. Well i've said this for a. While
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The steelers are in full implosion. Mode they're just not that.
Good and if it's not FOR. Tj watt making some incredible,
play they're just not very good their. OFFENSE i, Mean
Mason rudolph was dinking and dunking my eyes to death.
Today it's, like can you push the ball down the?
Field and then you try and it wasn't even. Close
AND Jj, watt who has a fantastic head of hair
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as a bald, man who is pretty good judge of
other people's. LETTUCE Jj. WATT i don't know if he's
a ten out of, ten that'd be Like Brad, pitt
but he's like a. Nine just a remarkable head of
lettuce on that man's, head but his brother and that
team is gonna circle the. Drain. Now The ravens are
not very good. Either Lamar jackson looks like he's like
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seventy percent right. Now he's clearly banged, up doesn't quite
have the same. Juice they were just kind of playing
with their food today against The. Jets they still won the,
Game henriette a couple of, touchdowns but they look kind
of like a one and done team as. Well, obviously
The bengals, stink and The browns have three, wins but
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at least they're somewhat interesting because they Got Miles garrett Now.
Shadoor but they're not any good as a team. Either
so THE Afc north went from was it a couple
of years ago where like that's the best division in
football to now being like that division. Stinks So i'd be.
Stunned it's a one playoff bid. Division whoever wins the
division will be the four, seed AND i think depending
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on who they, play more than likely they are a
one and done. TEAM a couple things Now Monday Night.
Football one story that went pretty viral over the, weekend
This BRANDON I yuk, situation AND i Read Mike silver
And diana's. ARTICLE i Watched Kyle shanahan's press, CONFERENCE i
saw rap sheet And Gara folo and some of those
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guys ON Nfl network chime. In AND i gotta be
honest as we head To Monday Night football and all
this team as, close if not closer than any other
team in the. League i'm really. CONFUSED i do not
quite understand what's going. On because the story broke that
I uke is going to give up twenty five million
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dollars and not even fight, it AND i want in
one you cannot do that as a human being unless
you're like, bezos LIKE i, mean super super. Rich no
one ever just willingly gives up twenty five million. Dollars
and he'd be Like, john what if something egregious happens
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and he doesn't want it to get? Out, Well Kyle
shanahan mentioned yesterday this situation all started In. July, well
training camp kind of starts In july what's the worst
thing that could. Happen he doesn't show up day one In,
july that doesn't get twenty five million dollars. Voided there
are still more holes in this story than there are.
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ANSWERS i do not quite understand what is, happening and
we don't have enough details because it does not make.
Sense it does not pass the sniff, test especially When
Kyle shanahan, goes, YEAH i take it. Back if he's,
healthy he'll play by no. Means is it over? Now
maybe he's saying that because some team lawyers tell him
to say, That but Then Gara folo and Rap sheet
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are saying, like, yeah it's not out of the realm
possibility that he still plays this season for the forty nine.
Ers i'm, like, what what the fuck are we talking about?
This this is a story that is typically made for
those type teams that win like two or three. Games
underrated part about the forty Nine ers of The shanahan,
era they've won a lot of, games but they've had
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some weird stuff going. On, now clearly this. Situation they
regretted this. CONTRACT i feel like the moment the ink
dried the day he signed. It if they could have
a do over over any contract or any, situation probably
Be Trey lance because they want the first rounders, back
but in terms of a veteran player that they, resigned
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it would be this because this has just been a disastrous.
Situation honestly pretty embarrassing for everyone involved that you're avoiding
guarantees and clearly something weird enough happened that just the
guy is not gonna fight. It John lynch's agent is
Also Brandon ayuk's. AGENT i just know. This there are
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things that do not add. Up they do not pass
the smell. Test that is this. Situation i'm still waiting
for more shoes to drop BEFORE i like just crush
or take a. Position because Even kyle, Said i've never
had this. Happen what? Happened what did he? Do not show?
Up not show? Up gets twenty five million dollars voided
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in what fucking? World that's why you have a player's.
Union and then then he's, like, nah just don't even fight.
It what agent and what union representative allows that to?
Happen most times in, situations it could be like three hundred,
Grand it could be like an eight hundred thousand dollars
bonus in your, agent the union would fight for, it
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let alone twenty five million. DOLLARS i just, Honestly i'm
at a LONG i felt more, Confused LIKE i felt
like reading that, Article i'm, like this is. Weird and
THEN i Watched kyle talk And he's, like, oh this
happened In. July happened In. July not enough could happen
In july to make this. Happen and THEN i started, thinking,
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like Is kyle trying to be careful about saying something
that he'll? Regret and then obviously people chimed in today
saying that he could come. Back i'm, like, WHAT i
found myself more confused at the end of the weekend
THAN i did at the beginning WHEN i first read the.
Article but just the classic situation of what a. Disaster you,
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KNOW i think the forty nine, ers if they are
able to truly void this, money they got pretty lucky
to get out of this situation because they do not
want any part of the brand AND i us business
now Speaking monday night, football you, know think about, it The,
rams The, eagles The, lions The, packers The. BEARS i,
mean this is the, playoffs the forty Nine ers and The.
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Panthers this is a pseudo playoff game as, Well like
there is a lot on the line in this. Game
the one THING i will, say BECAUSE i think a
lot of people myself included right, now the line seven
and a, HALF i do think taking The panthers plus
seven and a half is the right. Pick two, things,
though make me a little nervous If i'm taking that.
Bet one from the forty nine ers, perspective their Bright lights,
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Team Kyle shanahan has coached a lot of These monday
And sunday night. Games last TIME i, checked he's won
a lot of. Them think about this Year Sunday night
when he had a bunch of injuries against The Atlanta,
falcons dominated. Them Thursday night With Mac jones against The La,
rams what happened? There won it in. Overtime now you're
playing The. Panthers Bryce young's never played a big game
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in the. Pros he just. Hasn't, NOW i do give him.
Credit he showed some metal. Toughness he's hung in. There.
Clearly ted McMillan looks like an excellent draft. Pick but
what have The panthers been in this? Environment? Now if
you're gonna go into this, environment it's kind of like shador,
listen making your first start a lot of, pressure even he,
admitted felt like everyone's looking at. Me people are rooting
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for me to. Fail it's much easier to go up
against The raiders than like The, Packers so it's much
easier for, you the forty Nine, ers to play a
team with just a lot of unknowns than The rams
Or seattle in this. Spot BUT i just have a
hard time seeing The panthers winning On Monday night football
At Levi. STADIUM i think the forty Nine ers, Offense, kittle,
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McCaffrey piersoll's back, Now Juwan, jennings you know pretty obviously
was really good against The arizona a week. AGO i
think they're scoring thirty. Plus and to, me the question
is obviously The niners, defense, beside Like, lenore is a
bunch of guys you've never heard. Of it's a lot
of random. Players and no matter how good your defensive
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coordinator is in the highest levels of college and the
highest obviously THE, nfl you gotta have Some jimmies And
joe's to go with the x's nose on. DEFENSE i
can scheme guys open on. Offense great offensive coordinators have
made random guys look good on. Offense it's hard to
make random guys look good playing defensive. End you can
either bend the, edge have a bull, rush you, know
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overwhelm a, guard or you. Can't you can either make
an open field tackle or you. Can't and that's the
question mark with the forty nine. Ers do they have
the jimmies and The joe's that at least can make
a couple. Stops now you're playing a quarterback That Monday night,
football a lot of hype like, This bucks And. Shambles
you're in position to win the. DIVISION i, mean If
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carolina wins this, GAME i have a hard, time especially
depending on What baker's injury, Is they're gonna be division
champs more and, likely as crazy as that, sounds they
lose this. Game who. Knows AND i JUST i have
a hard time closing my eyes just Seeing Bryce young
dominated On Monday night. Football Maybe i'm. Wrong he obviously
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was good last week Against Atlanta. Tech McMillan's been a.
Stud Even laguett started showing a little. Bit dwaddle's. Good
they got some good offensive, pieces they got a good offensive,
line went. Healthy Dave canalis has clearly been pretty. Solid
like he's a good offensive. COORDINATOR i know he's the head,
coach but he calls the. Place But i'm TAKING i
like the forty nine ers to. WIN i Like carolina to,
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cover So i'm Taking carolina plus seven and a. HALF
i Like Ricky piersoll score. TOUCHDOWN i Like George kittle
to score, touchdown AND i Like tech McMillan to score.
Touchdown that plays over twenty to. One SO i put
that little parlay together on hard rock. Bets SO i
do think seven and a half with the forty nine ers,
defense especially with a backdoor, cover like the forty nine
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ers to win. Outright but that's a lot of points
for a defense that's rolling out a practice, squad a.
Roster have a great, night see you. Later the volume
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John Middlekauff
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