Coach Gottlieb gives his assessment of his head coaching debut against his alma mater Oklahoma State, lessons learned in the loss, what he liked from his team’s performance, where he needs tro get better, adjustments he’ll make as his Green Bay squad plays their first home game, and the significance of getting his first win as a college head coach.
Doug continues his discussion with former Canisius star Billy Baron, including what his plans for life after basketball, why he doesn’t have any desire to follow in his father’s footsteps into coaching,
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is
All Ball. There's a lot of things normally that we
get to an All Ball and usually I'll do interviews
and we'll start to crank out more of them and
you'll have a denser variety in your queue. But I'm
recording this and I think we're gonna try and put
(00:27):
this out shortly before my first home game at Green Bay.
This is after our first road game, first basketball game,
which we played at Oklahoma State, and I just I
kind of wanted to use this also a little bit
as a bit of a diary of things that have
been going on and so quickly to catch you up
(00:47):
to date. Okay, we we played pretty well in our
scrimmage where we scored over one hundred points and we
won won the game, you know, whether or not the
team other team was at full full strength or not.
We weren't technically a full strength, but that's okay, just
kind of learning a lot, and I felt like that
(01:09):
game exposed what we knew was our weakness, which was
when we play small, our defense and rebounding at the
five and really at ancillary positions. I've always balanced the
weakness on defense with the strength on offense. And the
strength on offense is Marcosol and Anthony Roy playing kind
of the four and the five to start, both have
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mismatches when they're on the offensive end. Fast forward to
the Saint Norbert game. That was St. Norbert's, a really
well coached, talented Division III team which is also in
Green Bay, and we won that game handling. Now the
secrets sort of out now that people saw the Oaklham
State game. Anthony Roy, who's a transfer from Langstein's to
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ANIL American. Last year, he had twelve threes in the
exhibition game. Twelve made twelve in a row forty six
points to twenty sixpence. I've seen a lot of shit.
I haven't seen anything like that ever. And maybe the
last two were just heat checks that he could make anything.
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But the rest was right within the flow of our offense.
And and I'll even tell you we don't run a
ton for him because he doesn't not great at running plays,
but you don't need to. You just give him the
ball in space and let him kind of figure it out.
But I was pleased with how we played there. But
(02:35):
I was also I know we're just not a great
rebounding team, and I'm trying to figure out how we
can do all the things we want to do and
rebound within it. Fast forward to playing Oklahoma State and
they kick the shit out of us on the boards.
Nineteen offensive boards, nineteen turnovers, which is really I thought,
that's the part that was most disappointing and got us speak.
But I'd credit see lots in his staff. They made
(02:56):
some adjustments at half. They continue to kind of fake
pressure us a little bit to take us out of
our secondary game, which is a good portion of how
we like to trigger our offense get it moving quickly.
I thought they made some adjustments putting three at the
back end against our press and really drove off their center,
who runs to the nail. It's a little bit of
a unique style. They're very, very physical, they're older, they're
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more athletic, you know, top to bottom than we are.
And they hit some shots as well. But the big
thing was the offensive rebound of the turnovers. And I
learned a lot as a coach. I learned that I
need to burn a time out when we clearly weren't
ready coming out at halftime. I thought, hey, I just
kept watching the score thing and will get a bucket here,
stabilize it, get a bucket there, stabilize it. And we
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could just never really get it to where we wanted
to get it to. But the positives were I thought
the guys played exceptionally hard and played to the final buzzer.
That's how we got to thirteen. We were just trying
to get it into single digits. Make him think about it,
for I can start bowling early length in the game,
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and we could just never get it to that place
because it couldn't get enough stops, can get enough rebounds.
And I played twelve guys, which is more than I'll
probably play the rest of the year, and I got
to figure out how to shorten my bench and tighten
my I'm not a pure rotation guy. It's just whatever
that game needs. But I do need to see it
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through with a couple of these guys and give them
a couple more minutes to really figure out who can
bring it who can't. Some of it is going to
be a lot of it's term and based upon practice,
because we scrimmage a lot in practice. Some will be
turned on the games, but you know, guys got to
be able to play through some mistakes, play through some adversity,
show they belong so that as we get deeper in
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the season, you know, the sticks through ninth man knows
that they'll have a little bit more leeway, a little
bit more of a role instead of just playing five
or six that the majority of the minutes. So you know,
it's one of those things when you get done with
a game, you write down notes, and my notes are
you know, really to step back, I have my play sheet.
(05:09):
There's a couple that I missed that I think could
have created some advantageous situations for us. The use of timeouts,
I gotta be better, the timing of substitutions. We even
cleaned up some of the bench stuff where I kind
of established to the coaches my thought process with two fouls,
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which we talked about leading up to the season. But
I think they freaked out a little bit because a
couple of our best players got two fouls in the
first half. And I'm not somebody who gives a shit. Now,
that doesn't mean I don't care, but a smart player
gets a second foul, that's not an auto bench in
my world. You just have to be thoughtful about it, understand, Okay,
how much time are they attacking him. Is he smart
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enough to avoid fouls and yet still play quality defense
and still rebound therein kind of lies the rub. But
all in all, I mean, I thought, my guys battle,
I thought we showed what we can do offensively when
the ball moves, how we can create advantageous situations where
we need to get better not just in rebounding, but
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also in our deral penetration and our cuts and our spacing,
understanding reading not just where the dribble drive comes from,
but also reading how the defense plays it, where those
forty five and ninety cuts for filled behinds, where they're available.
When we played within ourselves, we're fine, We're fine. We
can absolutely play against that level of competition playing five out.
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We've got to get tougher and better on the boards,
got to get into better shape. And that one's hard
because you get into this part of the season and
we're playing That was Monday, Now we play Friday, then
we play Wednesday, then we play Saturday, and now we're
on the road for a longer stretch of the time.
So you're already worn down. So you got to be
careful about Yeah, we want to condition, but does it
actually help us get into shape or does it wear
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our legs out because we're on the road for such
longer stretches. But I'm enjoying the hell ot of the experience.
And now we play Saint Thomas tonight. Saint Thomas is
and they're gonna play Oklahoma State. I guess Sunday, which
good for oklahom State. You get them on you know,
one day turnaround, they're a beast to guard. I mean,
they really run a lot of John B. Line stuff.
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They read and react. I do think Oklahoma State is
athletic enough to take them out of what they want
to do, and they'll beat Oklahoma State up on the
boards a ton, but their actions are really difficult to cover.
They teach it very well, they shoot it very well,
and they're confident that they're able to absorb a lot
of pressure. And if you overplay, there's some back debt
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doors there, there's some cuts there, there's a lot of
pressure releases there. So not deterred, but I learned a lot,
and you know, it's it's interesting. I think immediately after
the game people are asking me, like, what if you
like to coach? A Galler must have felt incredible. Were
you nervous whatever? You know, like when you get into it,
you're just excited because you think you can win, and
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then you're disappointing because you thought you could have won,
or you thought you could have been more competitive, and
you don't have time to process it. Now I have.
That's the great thing about all balls. I get to
process shit and say what I processed. It was an
amazing experience. Amazing coach your first game, to have your
kids there. My kids mean everything to me, and I
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scheduled the game so my daughters and son could come
watch the game, and they did. My son got a
chance to hang out with the team, right on the team, beus,
you know, be the ball boy for the night, you know,
give me suggestions at halftime. Suggestions were actually pretty good.
It's like, I don't think you can last go in
small this long. He's right. I tried to try to
go small the whole second half didn't really work. Needed that,
(08:47):
you said, my big guys, But that part of the experience,
coaching on that floor, coaching that arena, the love and
respect that I got from so many in attendance. Uh,
there's there's no words other than thank you. To be said.
Now we have Saint Thomas and we play at home
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in the Crest. The Crest is are on campus facility.
See it's about four thousand. The Rush is downtown, so
it's about ten thousand people, and we play there. We
have one more game of the Crest the rest of
the year, we play down there in the Rush. But
the ability to come out and play a team that
we're an underdog against. We're an underdog against Saint Thomas,
three and a half point underdog, and so that way
(09:30):
I understand when you listen to the spot, if we
won that game, we pull off an upset, doesn't matter.
We're home does not matter. So you know, you learn
a lot. And then my my high school coach, Andy
Ground called me. He gave me some tips. Couple of
college head coaches, i'll leave their names out of it,
gave me some tips. One of my best friends, as
(09:51):
people know, is Miles Simon. He's a scout now with
the Atlanta Hawks. He watched the game. He gave me
some tips, and I just it's interesting to me. I
don't know how every coach does it, but I do
know how I want to do it, which is we
watch film with players all the time right and show
them things they could have done better. Why I hope
(10:12):
all coaches do what I'm doing, which is ask people
you respect, take their feedback, write it down, absorb it,
and see if you can put it in the use.
Why can only players get feedback and use it. Why
can't coaches? That's my question. So we'll see. But this
game's very different from Oklahoma State. We're not at an
(10:32):
athletic mismatch. We are at, I think a program disparity
in terms of the amount of time they've had to
put in what they've done, do what they do, and
to show these kids how to execute it, whereas everybody's
learning something for the first time in my program. But
we'll see. We're going to try and put pressure on
the basketball, or try to be physical off the ball,
(10:55):
and then really get the ball moving and a humming
at the offensive end. We can do those things. We
can score a lot of points and run them off
the three point line, but do so without jumping, without
leaving the air, and playing more on balance inside. And
that's really where oaklhom States screws me up is they're
so physical that when you drive, they put their hands
on you, and it can cause you to miss a
(11:16):
shot or have a pass go astray, and those things
affected us so to fatigue to anybody who asks, awesome,
but it's daunting because as much as everybody you got
to I can't wait to get your first win, I
can't wait either. But you know the other guy is
trying to get his win too. You know it's their
(11:37):
job to win games as well. Not like Johnny's going
to come in today everything Thomas going like, yeah, I
know we're pretty good and we're really trying to get
the visual on wins. But Dottley needs a win, so
we're going to help him out. Not the way. There's
no brother in law ball here. So that's the basic
state of the union. My next pot, I'll record another
one tomorrow that's Saturday, where he can give you kind
(11:58):
of a recap of the first two. I'll introduce you
to all my players, uh and tell you kind of
where we are and and what's in front of us.
In the meantime, let's get This is part three of
Billy Baron, What Now, Why Retire? What's next? What's the dream?
Here's Billy Baron Part three on All Ball, What's gonna
fill up your cap.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Man, you're asking some really good questions. I don't, Man,
I always gotta stay busy, like I got a couple
other businesses going to Like I I gotta stay busy.
I want to stay in basketball some capacity. I don't
want to coach like I just I don't have such
a coaching such a grind. It's such a it's such
a grind. I want to my goals. I want to
(12:40):
coach my kids growing up like I want to coach.
I want to coach their AAU teams like I can't.
I'm so hands on that I can't have someone else
coach my kids, like if I was at if I
was at college, if I'm at if I'm coaching some
college and I'm having practice and some other guys coaching
my kids, like I couldn't listen.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Here's my son was in or fourth grade and we
played played against he was playing for some other guys team.
And guy's a nice guy. He's like he's a good
little high school coach and he runs a good A
year program. And they got b by Matt Barnes's Kids team.
Matt Barnes Kids team like forever has been the best
at that at that age, it's twins and they had
just add dude.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They got to be like seventy four to fourteen. And
we go and we're at this gym where it's now
open gym premieres in Anaheim.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
If you ever played in the West Coast circuit, like
everybody's played there. We're in the parking lot. He's crying
and it was hard to watch because it's like the
kids never had a chance because they had no press preak.
They couldn't even get the ball and bounce right. And
I just said, okay, so there's like two choices. He's like,
(13:46):
what are the choices? Like, will you quit? Like quit
like you're a good baseball player, play football whatever you want, like,
or you can tell me you want to get better
and I'll build your team and we'll get I was like,
I don't know if you ever beat those guys, but
we'll get we'll get close, and we will not get
embarrassed ever. And he's like this, what don't want to do? Right?
(14:08):
So then I that's what I did. I built like
and you know a lot of reasons I got a divorce,
but a big one was there's other ones that were bigger,
but that. I just said, like I want to coach
my kid, Like this is kind of all I got,
and uh, there was a lot of it was you
know there's some some tough times whatever, but I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Like watching somebody else coach your kid is so hard.
You know, like, look, if they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If it's a former player, that's one thing. Yes, If
it's not, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So am I my guys like super late Bloomer. So
you know, she would always say like, well, you're putting
him in and he doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I was like, look, first of all, coaching my
kids team for the most part, like I'm not playing
daddy ball, but like why would I coach him not
play him?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right, So, but like I'm going to put him in
a situation to succeed, right, I like talk to I
talked to three Young's dad and three Young's dad's like, dude,
when Trey was little, he's not very good, but he
could shoot.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So like he just I just let him shoot, like
don't handle the ball. But it's a it. It'll be hardest,
but it'll be super awarding.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Like how did you handle the moments when he did cry,
when he did get frustrated, Like I have an idea
of how handle him, but like, how did you handle
those moments when they hit?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I would I would say the first couple of years
really not good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But why.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Just because my thing was just like what the fuck?
What are you fucking crying over? Like let's you know,
like get better, don't get bad? Right, Like I don't know,
I just I don't remember like those moments. It was
just like I also, I'm somebody who you know, look
if you put the time in and you're not making
shots by all means, you know, but if you're not
(15:56):
putting the time in, you know, like I have a
doctor dish, I knew how many shots you're taken, right,
like you know, by the time and like don't get back,
you know, make them like the deal, just be happy,
like I let you take him. But so there's some
of that. There was some of just the I just
I just I was big on I didn't give a
shit how good he was. It was just about how
(16:17):
hard he worked and was he a good teammate and
did he try? Did he like try? And like he
struggles with physicality he doesn't have a big brother, so
he didn't get the shit kicked out of him, like
like you and I did right by our big brother.
So I just you know, like I struggle with it.
But I will tell you that by the end this
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last year, we had like the best eighth grade team
in the West Coast, and there was a game in
which some of the other really good players, like we
thought we were gonna win by a bunch, so they
all like went home. It was like on a circuit.
It was a fourth game in the weekend or whatever.
And I was cool with it because I was like, cool,
I get to pay my kid, like the whole game,
you know. And so we had like maybe six or
(16:59):
seven guys and you know, like we're down at the half,
and he was like like he came. I took him
out of the games, like crying. He's like, we can lose.
They don't even care. Like I get like, they don't
give a shit. Why doesn't emmy fucking give a shit?
I fucking give a shit? Right, So I go, okay.
I was like take your breath. I was like, look, dude,
(17:21):
you got some fucking anxiety work. And I got it.
I was like you're right, okay, but there was a
loose ball that you didn't go after, so boy couldn't
have got I was like, h it's like, you know,
when you don't go after loose ball, you're telling people
you don't give a shit. Right If you're not want
to do the hard things, like everybody wants to make shots,
(17:41):
like that's the fun shit. You want to do other stuff.
Go back out there and fucking play like you give
a shit. Don't say you give a shit, and like
he got him together, and I was like so proud
of him. So some of it was my own kind
of personal evolution where you know, like part of me
wanted to just go like, you know, shut the fuck up,
go back out there and stop being a pussy, right,
(18:02):
So I do have that very much in me. But
someone was just like processing, like, dude, this is just
fucking anxiety. Like if you don't, if you're not, if
you can't handle your emotions, like just don't go back
in the game.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But if you can take a breath, but I can
get your shit together, go back out you know how
to play.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
If I don't have all the answers, I can only
tell you. I'm way better at it now than I
ever was. And the truth is, like I mean, God
is my witness. All of that stuff prepared me for
this job. It's it's way more like au than it.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Is like when your dad coached in college.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You know, And I have way more patients, Like if
you can coach twelve year olds, you know, Like I
started my program, I've taken over a fourth grade B
team that got b by forty every day, right, So
like if I can handle that shit, I can handle
college kids, you know. So, and you know, there were
times in which I had I started multi level teams
(19:00):
to play him up some so that he would get challenged,
you know, and then and then we held him back.
So there were times in which like I was coaching games,
is fucking miserable, like he wasn't playing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I'm like, what am I doing? But again, now I.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Look at it as it was just like all preparation
for this moment where I've coached a ton of games
with different styles and different teams, And I don't know
if it helps me, but I do think it helps
me process way quicker. But it's it's the hardest coaching
your kid, and I'm sure, your dad would say this
the hardest thing and what, without any question, the most
(19:33):
rewarding thing you're ever going to do, right, because like
my dream is now to do it. You and your
dad did, like fucking coach my kid and then go
have a fucking beer after the game and talk about it,
you know, Like, I'm my first game is at Oklahoma State,
and I told him. He's like, first he was like,
I'm mowre ingreading like I'm an oklah mistake guy. Like, dude,
(19:55):
your dad coach.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
The team, so it's your school to I was like,
I'm coaching the other team. Gets so anyway, Then he's like,
well can I come? Yeah, you gotta fucking come be
all in we're green. Like yeah, Like so now I'm
almost hit his ass right on the bench on my feet.
I fuck it right, my first game, I want my
kid there. I want him to hear everything he knows
(20:18):
all like, I've run all the same play. Is that
just a little bit more intricate way of getting into it.
So I'm gonna let him call some fucking plays and
help me coach.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's awesome. That's awesome.
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Speaker 1 (20:39):
I don't know, dude, like I would tell you I
wish I had like perfect advice.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean there's no perfect advice.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean there's no I just wouldn't say, like, I
definitely don't want to coach because I think you can.
Anything you're gonna do is gonna be fucking hard and
it's not gonna be fast fun as like broadcasting games
is really fun.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I say, yeah, it's fucking amazing. Yeah, here's the problem. Okay,
when you first broadcast the game, like ESPN hires you,
why wouldn't they hire you? Right, So they'll put you
on the Mac and they'll put you on like the
low level I major games, and you're gonna be working
with somebody else is trying to prove themselves and not
(21:20):
all of them are very good, and you know, it's
a little bit of a shitch. Like when you get
to the high level.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Of doing game like an you NCA tournament like for
CBS's I did that for four years.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Like, dude, those producers are fucking amazing. You're like you
just think of a video to bring up, like, hey,
do we have that that video of Rhode Island when
they beat Kansas and Oklahoma City and Termin're like, yeah,
we got that there.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It is like roll it up, Like when you're doing
like your first couple of years, you're like, hey, can
I get a replay? Like yeah, we don't know how
to do that, like what you know? So and but
the bigger thing is like you have to you gotta
let it go, and that's a hard one. So my
first year doing game games, I had played two years overseas.
(22:02):
I played in Russia my first year, as year on
my second, and then it was great for me because
it was that time away and I just like was.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Way smart as the basketball player, totally understood things.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm watching college basketball, like these guys are doing the
most rudimentary shit, whereas I was playing at a high
level in Russia and our offense was way better. And
then I went back and played at France at the
end of the year and it was just I was
so calm because like I was, I was, I was good.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But the problem is like when you go if you
go in broadcast games, you're gonna want to play.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Again, Okay, okay, Like I started when I.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Was twenty six, Okay, I didn't achieve what you achieved,
you gonna want to play again now. I also went
through when I stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I went to ESPN the next year, Like I went
six months and like didn't touch a basketball, Like I
went through and like I had that like fuck, I
hate you fucking basketball thing, you know, and then I
was kind of good, and then I you know, I
think the other thing is, you know, we were talking
about the big school deal. I think if you play
one of those big schools, unless you get to playing
(23:09):
at Red Star, you can't survive overseas because you walk
into some of those gyms and their fifteen hundred seats
and you're like, what the fuck is this right? You're
not like motivated to go kill when you're playing in
a high school gym. So yeah, I don't know if
I have the answer for you. I mean, like, if
it's the NBA, then go to the video room. And
(23:30):
the NBA is such a different animal.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think you'll fucking love it. It's just all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But there's also going to be some guys that you're like, Okay,
you went to mit, why are you ahead of me
in line? Like yeah, because they've been grinding and doing
that shit for like eight years.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
If you do go do broadcasting, it's super fun. But
again there's some low level stuff, and broadcasting is very
much a perception based business. There's no scoreboard, so you
may go like, fuck, I'm good, I killed and your
boss might go.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Like, eh, yeah, or maybe you have a boss who's
like a fucking big Baron family fan and then they
elevate you and they're like what you said, Like, you
gotta find people that you gotta find people that buy
into you.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Know, you know, the AAU thing and telling pharmaceuticals is cool, and.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You know, I don't know, take care of your kids.
Whatever fucking fills up your cap. And the great thing
about what you got is you got a little bankroll there.
So if you don't like what you're doing, do something else,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, yeah, the as and side I think of things
is so interesting. Man, Like I walked into the gym,
so I'm in the line, I'm recar, I'm rehab. I'm
walking to the gym and there's a kid playing for
our youth teams, like seven one going through the legs,
through legs, step back three and I walked right up
to them from like, my man, come here, what are
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you doing? Like what's your plan? Don't I don't have planned? Okay,
Like do you want to go to college? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes? Someone coach? Okay, has anyone contacted you? No, no
one's contacting me. Okay, all right, Like, well, like let's
do this. So like I actually spoke to some people.
I got him a solid deal. I think I got
him a scholarship and Brewster. I'm like, you know, this
is what you should do. I think you should go
to Brewster Academy. Go there for a year. The guy
Jason Smith's gonna take care of you, and then you're
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gonna go find a deal in college. You're seven two
like step back threes. I'm like, this is what you
gotta do. You're gonna go par five and nowadays you're
gonna make lots of money. So I hear back. The
kids actually got like seven figure offers stuff now, so
I'm like, oh, there you go. There that was just.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
H what's the kids name?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Luigi Swego.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
There was a kid who was like Italian, who is
like seven feet like point guard. I don't know if
that was him.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't know, he's not really.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And this this guy was like it was really a point,
but he brought it up and I was like, what
the fuck am I watching? And it was out of
our it was out of our price point. But I
was like, are you guys watching this? Like like that's's
kind of fun. I'm not gonna lie to you, right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's what I want to, Like, I want to take
those kids and advise them and be like, listen, I've
been through it. Hell, I'll even train you, like I
will break down film with you. You guys need assistance,
Like I had an older brother who like showed me
the way. I can like be an advisor for you.
I will show you the way. Because these guys they
don't really know what's going on, Like they like no
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offense to Green Bay. They would think I could tell
them Green Bays of blue Blood and they're like, oh,
oh okay, okay, Like they might think it's up there
with Kentucky, you do, like they.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The Kentucky did. They don't have like division.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
A man like they and I. I just there's a
need there for for a guy who can bridge that gap,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think, I think, I love that. I have a
couple other friends and we'll like not in the recording thing,
I'll tell you kind of who they are or whatever
that are doing that exact same thing that they and like, look,
that's how honestly like my dad, that's what he would
be doing if he was alive, because what he used
to do was he started this. He used to place
all the guys on the day you team in college, right,
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And that's like what he that was this thing like
I want all my guys to play in college.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And then he started like helping some other kids out.
And then somebody's like, hey, you know, you can make
some money doing this, like really, And so he would
put together people's tapes and then he would call the
people he thought the level. He would give him an
EVL of you can play this level, and eventually he
turned it into like a business. Well now that would
be fucking nil, right, he'd just be evaluating whatever. So yeah,
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and and the other thing is and like, look, the
guys that I've dealt with are good dudes.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're like, hey, man, like I'm not going to gouge
this kid. Just here's about three. But there's a lot
of bad actors out there there, and you know, like
all this other stuff you still have to do with
parents because there's still kids and there's still gonna be
other people with their hands handouts. But I think the
foreign players mets. Honestly, the best thing.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That comes from this nil thing is that we've reinvigorated
the foreign market.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Because there were so many rules that are so restrictive.
You know, I have one from Israel, one from Senegal,
one from Australia, and I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
at least one from likely from New Zealand upcoming, maybe two.
And then I turned out a Polish kid who I loved.
Was like the hardest part of this job was like
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I had two point guards. One was like a six
six Polish kid and one was a six to Australian kid.
I took the Australian kid like I hung up with
the Polish kid, and I was like, oh my god,
that just like hurt my heart because I love both
these kids, but I can only take one. You know,
that's just fun, Like I wouldn't hate it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And then you could travel still, you go travel overseas
and take your wife.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, yeah, not bad still be.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Around it and know. Yeah, by the way, if you decided, hey,
I want to coach, you'll have all the connections with
coaching right now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
If you want to go to the front office in Europe,
you'll have all the connections there.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like rap Polinka, Bob Myers, they all were agents and
they all I think I know Rapinka.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Was and yeah, so what's his name? Run? The next
was an agent, huge agent, right.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What is this? Le Rose?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Len Rose? Yes, yes, y, And.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I was getting all his clients back.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So you know, how has the n I l Like,
my dad coached mid major basketball and I love mid
major basketball. Well, how has it really impacted you? Some?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I mean some like like there's there's just kids that
like we can't get Yeah, you know, like if you
sit there and go like, hey the price is one
hundred and fifty, like good luck, you know, but like
we have some And my thing is, I think at
this level, your best chance of winning is to have
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a high retention rate. All right, bring back as many
dudes as you can that you want back.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So with our nil like, that's our main focus is Okay,
we got to raise a bunch of money and find
the kids that we think are the best fit and
get those guys and then you know, maybe one in
the portal. I love junior college kids because they here's
the thing with junior college kids. You get the age
of some of the portal kids. But the portal kids again, remember,
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if you're coming to my level, unless you're going from
D two or Naia and I have one Ania kid
who's awesome, But unless you're coming from you're stepping down level.
So a lot of times they're arrogant because they think
they're better than the level, and they're kind of broken
because the higher level they didn't play that much. That's
why they're at your level, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So I tell the younger guys that we recruit, like, look, dude,
here's the deal. You could go to pick your big
school and then you don't play, and then you're in
the portal and then you come back to me, which
are not as valuable to me because you don't have
any confidence even though you've been in a college basketball program.
You're why don't you come to me? Play for me
right away? And then two years in if you say, hey, coach,
I want to go make like serious money, I'll pick
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up the phone and call myself.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's hard to keep kids for four years. You are
going to get priced out, and there's insanity.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I got the job.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I got the latest job in the country. So there's
a ton of kids available, a ton ton. So part
of me is like, dude, maybe we shouldn't do anything
TI late, because there's always going to be guys that
thought they were going to get paid and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know, they have no sense of how it really works.
But yeah, there's some money, and like, if you find
the right kid who's about the right things, you give
them a little money and you feel fucking really good
about it. You like call a kid and like, I
have a couple of guys that we called them in
and they never asked us for a penny. I'm like, hey,
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we're going to give you this because we think and
then we're trying to do things a little differently here.
I don't know how much I should share, but I
got all my guys new mattresses. I did a deal
with with a with a mattress company that I haven't sponsored.
I did. We have a a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Meats is the biggest meat distributor in Wisconsin and the
northern Midwest.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
They have all this grass fed beef from Colorado. Hey go.
So they're a big donor of minds. So I at
wholesale price, I raised money while like five grand of meat.
All their freezers are filled with chicken and the best beef.
So my thing is like, look, I can't take care
of you and give you one hundred or two hundred grand,
but you're gonna have fucking fun playing for me. You
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know you're gonna get better because I got a great
developmental staff.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're gonna do the absolute best to make you feel
like you're special. You know, and feel like you're special.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Is like we got our guys in the best departments
in town, and we got our guys. Their fridges are full. Hey,
we got awesome coaches, like all of them like played,
and we want to be kind of a tenant to them.
You know. I have one that had like I just said, hey,
what do you need And he's like, coach, my teeth
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haven't been fixed, Like I got dental problems. He had
like two root canals, got new contacts. So thankful, you know.
So I do think there's a way in which and
again I may get bit. I may have fifteen in
the portal. I may be a complete idiot, don't know,
but at least we're trying to do a little different.
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While we're trying to build support for the community, for
the team, try and get them, you know, as many
little things as we can that make sense, because we're
not going to be able to just shell out cash
and then make it so that, you know, they have
a little bit of cash in their pockets, so that
they don't feel like nobody gives a shit about.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Them, right and within reason, they are like, we've been
We've done pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And then you know, pick the kids you want, and
those are the kids you go after, and those, by
the way, are the ones that donors have. A lot.
Where you lose donors is where you.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Go after a kid and you're like, hey, I need
like five rand a month of this kid, and like
how good he's like, why, he's really good. Then you
get him and the kid's a turd or it's not
that good and he's not playing, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What the fuck am I giving this money for this kid?
Whereas if you have him for a year and they
see him, they're like, I'll do anything if you can
keep that kid like, Okay, here's how much it costs, right,
and then you have to be willing at some point
to go like like, the best player here last year
was a kid named Noah Reynolds. Noah came, his brother
was an assistant. He came with Sun Dance Wicks from Wyoming,
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the player of the year in the league. And now
he's a TCU and you know it's a six figure deal.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't know how, Like there's all kinds of rumors
if it starts with the three or four or five,
I don't know, God bless them.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
And then you just got a champion that is like
that's the success story. Like his first job was for
say three hundred grand. Good for him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It sucks because you want to recruit a kid and
you want to keep him forever, but you have to
be realistic about it.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So and then every kid you recruit differently, Like my
Australian kid, I was like, look, dude, I'm gonnaf your scholarship,
but you're staying the whole time with me. Okay, couch
whatever you need, couch, no problem, you know. So some
of these kids you gotta recruit and going like look, dude,
I know you got to get paid. I know your
family doesn't that much like Tom Hoop, and then we'll
call around. We'll see where he gets you some money.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So right, right right, pull up my phone. I'm gonna
pull up my iPads because my phone, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, give me one second too, I want to I'm
actually flipping.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Something recording in the progress.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
What's up? Wait?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Hold mad, I got I gotta switch this.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Em on a second?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Is what?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
H full time out? Are you ready? All right? I
got a couple questions for you.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The the coolest place you can remember eating overseas.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Probably eating when my wife were like staring right, We're
like sitting like this balcony, staring right at the Acropolis
and assens like it's one of those not only like
was it view good? It was like the food was
like elite. So it was like a mixture of both,
Like I've had good views, but it's like a mixture.
Like you know when you go to some places, like
if you go to Rome and you go to some
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of these places where you can sit there and eat,
it's like very touristy. I hate the touristy spots. Totally,
absolutely hate the touristy spots, so I'd say probably that one.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, where is home?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Rhode Island's home still, yeah, yeah, we're building the house
in Florida right now though, so that might be come home.
We'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Me hire from Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I fucking I can't take the cold, like, oh here,
but I'm here in Buffalo now is at forty degrees today.
I'm like, there's just no way I could not do this.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
There's no way, yeah, no way, Yeah, I hear you.
I'm just just it all has just hit northern Wisconsin,
released in Wisconsin, and yeah, I was like, I'm okay
with cold or whatever. And so I live on Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So the backside of my house unbelievab layout, unbelievable sunset.
But the wind is easily like fifteen knots more in
the back of my house in the front of my house,
and I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
And when that hits, it's right through the jacket.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Right, it doesn't matter what you got on. And I'm like, I'
mean in southern California. So I'm already a pussy. You know.
It's just the worst. If you could live anywhere that
you played, where would.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It be it's a toss up between Milan and Belgrade. Belgrade.
I think for the people, great city, like a small
it's kind of like a college town. Like it's like
you're Charlottesville, It's like you're Durham. It's because everything is
revolved around the team. Like there's two teams there and
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everything revolves around them. Like when those teams are playing,
like the city stops. So like the vibe there was
great Milans. You know, fashion, you got soccer, basketball, culture
is great rising like I probably say Belgrade. Plus your
dollar was a lot further there than it does anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So you get home every year, like what is your
thing that like signific I'm at home that I did,
Like as soon as I get home, I do this,
like a.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Fat rebbi steak, just a huge bone in rebbi steak.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
That the cowboy cut tomahawk. Yeah yeah, no, the tomak,
the big long one. Yeah yeah, that cowboy is just
the bone in rebbi.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah that that that's gotta be it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's got to be because the beef is not nearly
as good anywhere else. No, Argentina maybe, but like this
is the yeah yeah, uh that teammate you ever had overseas.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jeez, it's like I don't want to say one, because
there's been some good ones who have helped me out
through some ship like James Gist. I always think like
James Gist, like talk about soldier, like brought the energy
every single day. And it's like as a shooter, like
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when I went to a swamp, when I hit like
one shot, He's just like Billy barn in the house.
He would just hype me up so much. And dude,
that's just that's all I need, you know what I mean,
Like he just always put me on. He's one of
them for sure. Oh that's a great.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Question, all right, worst teammate you ever had.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I can't say his name is due to my Spanish team.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'll just say him that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
What he did I got. I'll stare here. Okay.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
There's a guy named Guy Contour when I played in Israel,
I was playing in Israeli, but I was the bosman
or whatever, and they had like an unwritten rule like
always trying to have an Israeli on the floor, you know,
And he was.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
The best one. Right. We had to get named Guy Panini,
who I think he just finished playing Okay, my guy
was like eighteen of the time, so he was a
dip shit. You know.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
We had some good Israelis, but they were young. So
guy Guy Contour was like my age, maybe a little
bit older, combo guard and like I'd be hooping in
the first half and I come in and they'd be
arguing all of a sudden, like they'd be arguing in
Hebrew and I don't speak Hebrew.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And we'd come out of the second half and I
would not play nearly as much. What the fuck? And
like the other Americans, like Corey Carr was like, dude,
come on, you know they're fucking talking about you. And
I know if he was just trying to piss me
off or whatever, just get me, get me into it.
But like Guy would do shitty stuff, like I would
do something and he would he would like he would,
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I would. He knew that I was a passer, right, so.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
I drive and I'd kick out to him and he
like hold the ball a second and then make an
extra pass him.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Then I didn't have to kill my assist. Just little
fucking things that that drove me crazy. I would say
Guy Contours easily easily on that. On that left like.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I had a big that like every out that I
totally he Throughtaly Shugar get the ball and like that's
my pet peeve. It's like dude, like like every guy
and I'm not the guy that's like jacket every single shot.
Like I actually think privately, I think I actually can
come off a screen and like make the right pocket
pass at the very last second. I actually think like
I can do that very well. So like I'm not
the guy. It's just like that's a black hole. He's
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just come off that screen to shoot it off the floppy. No,
I'll curl it and I'll hit the guy the big
for a dunk. I'll do that all day long. So
when when I got that, I'm like come on, man,
like come on stop, so.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Say Spanish, Spanish guy, huh Brazilian Brazilian guy. Yeah, my
only my only, My only memory Brazil was I just
first started doing NBA Draft ESPN and Leandro Barbosa is
coming out and I got a tape from his agent
of like a Brazilian league game and I watched it
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and they were like what do you think. I was like,
I don't even know what I just saw, Like nobody
played in a Yes, they were all super and it
was just it was greeny like an FT and it
was the shots collection was crazy, like everything about it
was not.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, I think it was a fight in the game.
There was stuff that are on the court, like a
little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, okay, outstarted outside of Red Star, outside of the
Madison Square Garden of Europe. Coolest place you played in
the rug is nice? Did they did they open the news?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
We did it. They read all the seats. They put
together like a new like L E. B floor whatever
it's called. There, everyone's doing that. Now, that's nice. When
it's rocking and they're winning, the supporters are crazy. Probably
them are like the other team in Serbia when you
play them, even though it's in the same gym, it's insane,
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Like it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
But you guys played the same game.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So partisan and Red Stars share the same gym.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay, I've been to the I've been by.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It, so so now like when I was there, they're
playing in that gym. That's see it. Like let's say,
like I see like eight to ten thousand, which was
perfect right on top of you, like you couldn't mean
you could be right here and you couldn't hear me,
you know. But now they play at this gym on
the other side of town, like twenty two thousand. Yeah,
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but when you have like thirteen thousand in there, it's
not it's not a whole court advantage. But when that
place is going like no, like this is this is
you haven't seen this, Like you know what I mean,
Like in America. I'm talking to an American who hasn't
been over there. You haven't seen this doesn't exist in America.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So coaching your kids having played in Europe, what will
you develop differently than you developed playing the United States.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I haven't played more one on one growing up, I said,
I have him try and figure out different ways to score,
use their bodies, stuff like that. I haven't in better
shape than me, Like I didn't I didn't make the
I'm so critical myself. I didn't make the NBA because
I couldn't move my feet fast enough, and I didn't
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I wasn't in the best condition. Like if I can
go back, I would have trained so hard and just
been in the best shape because I wasn't there to
prove I can make shots. I was there to prove
that I'm gonna guard ninety four fifty and I'm gonna
do it every single time. I'm gonna advance the ball
as fast as I can. I'm gonna get everyone in
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their spots, and I'm just gonna be like a pest.
That's all I'm gonna be. And so I'll teach me
how to do that. And I'm definitely teaching pick and
roll stuff. Like I know, pick and roll here is
a bit different than Europe, but I love the teaching
the pick and roll. The reads, you know, look for
the which guy is gonna bump, who's gonna be open?
Like that stuff that I learned later from a couple
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of coaches I had in Europe. You know, little details
of the pick and roll that I was like, man,
this is awesome, Like I just love How can.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
You imagine how easy college basketballall be right now for you?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's just it would be crazy. But I would need
to like I would need to grab my big like, hey,
you're not gonna slip, You're gonna set this screen. You're
gonna crack them. Problem is, I don't know if they
would let him crack them, but you're gonna sit there
and you're gonna hit him all right. If he hard hedges,
you open up and you just look right over your head,
it's gonna come right here. And then you look opposite.
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You look to the corners, or you look to the
big duck in it one or the other. All right,
if they you gotta said it. If they're going flat
roll for me, just wait a little bit, stay in
that pocket, right. Like little things like that, I would
need to teach them, but it would be so easy
because the weak side defense is just there's no bump,
there's no nothing. But it's also like, okay, I want
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to talk to you about this because you brought it
up earlier. You brought up the twenty four second clock.
It makes the game way more enjoyable. It also puts
pressure pure It puts when I was playing the couch,
it's still thirty five seconds, it's thirty now. It puts
pressure on the coaches to be like, hey, listen, I
got a call set. That's gonna work because right now,
if you call set, you got twelve seconds to figure
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fifteen seconds. I'll call another set, or I'll play it
like in Europe, every little thing matters because that twenty
four seconds goes quick, right And then I like, at
least on the offensive rebound, they don't set the shot
clock back all the way fourteen. But that's a good
that's that's great.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's like there's a rhyme or reasons every single thing
you're doing on the court. And I think that's what
we miss as Americans growing up, is to understand team
basketball on how I like play pick and rolls. Everything's
very one on one, and that's the NBA. It's it's
one on one, you know. But that's where you see
how we struggled in the Olympics, how we almost lost
in the Olympics. I mean, those are my teammates on
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Serbia who were up by eighteen in the third quarter
of Like, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Okay, honest question. You're watching the game, who are you
rooting for?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I just wanted I wanted obviously I want USA to win.
But I'm glad that other countries were heard because I
feel like for some Europeans, it's like when people were
asking me, like, hey, did you know one in the
Serbian team, I'm like, yeah, like those guys, A lot
of those guys my teammates, Like those are the guys
I play against. It's nice that. I feel like they
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garnered a good amount of respect from that, you know,
and it's nice to mind though, mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
They're like they were hitting shots like Serbius hitting shots.
It was nice though to see, like, all right, who
who's America gonna go to? And it's like really digging
down deep and like there couldn't have been more pressure
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on those guys in that moment, like the Steph Curry Lebron,
like that had to be the ultimate pressure for them.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Bro. Steph Curry hits four threes in a row and
the last one was a fucking joke, true, And the
thing about it was he wasn't playing well. No, it
wasn't playing well. And like you hit on two things
which are the secrets of Steph Curry. Okay, One, he's
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in better shape than anybody.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
He fucking never gets tired, right, which is Lebron's kind
of similar, just obviously different body type. And then two
he has that irrational self confidence where like, who thinks
I'm gonna just take some fucking fade away throw up
three over Victor webbin Yama to win the Olympics, Curry.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
And then he does like he's unbelievable in the fact
that Kevin Durant got the ball, it just went right
back too. It's just Kevin Durant top five score ever
and he goes, I got the ball. Here you go
take him right back through the hot hand. That's insane.
Steven looks Lebron's wife. They even look even.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Looked at Lebron like Kevin rrobably thought about it like nah,
and I don't back to it.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Did Steph get doubled from from Katy's man? Was that
Kat's man who helped and helped because there's two guys
that can test this, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and then they rotated and they rotated to kat and.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Then he who came over to contestant. Yeah, which is wild,
wild wild, But it was I mean, it was nice
to see those guys, Like I get where they come
from now, Like I I like, it's not glamorous over there.
They don't have the facilities, all the facilities that we
have they don't have, Like it was nice to see
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them on that stage doing what they're doing because like
that country, like that's literally like they got bit so
oh my gosh, Like I cannot imagine if they won
the gold medal like they came back with whatever the bronze.
It was like they got celebrated like they won the gold,
but hundreds of thousands of people parade, Like I just
know that country was going absolutely bananas.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Hey, even more than Jennifer your time. Take care of
those kiddos. I can't wait to see a coaching au
and like, listen, dude, you want to come stay for
a week and just get your basketball fixed, You're welcome.
And if you do the agent thing, I expect a
player down right, because I'm gonna low mid major. But
(52:02):
in the meantime, like uh believe or not, I kind
of idolize you and your brother being able to play
for your dad and you guys still have it having
a great relationship through it all, and then obviously what
you're able to accomplish overseas is fucking big time. And
unlike people at that at the bar in Buffalo who
(52:23):
go like, oh, did you play in the NBA? Like
you and I know, like what you did was way
harder than getting a ten day in the league. Way hard,
thanks very hard.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Uh sorry, it had to end at thirty three. It
ends for everybody at some point in time. But you
made some money. You kicked some ass, he made some cash,
and now whatever you need, if you can, if I
can ever help you, you just ask and I will
fucking pick up the phone and call.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Appreciate it, man, Thanks a lot, seriously.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Have a great night. I truly appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thanks man, Thanks man too.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
All Right, my thanks to Billy Baron all three parts
to our fantastic You can go back and let's listen
to them in their queue. Be rooting for the Phoenix tonight.
If you listen to this, and we'll be back with
you tomorrow for another pod telling you how it all went,
the mistakes that I made, the things that we got
to clean up, and hopefully we're discussing our first win
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of the season in the meantime. Thanks for listening. I'm
Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball
Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is
All Ball. There's a lot of things normally that we
get to an All Ball and usually I'll do interviews
and we'll start to crank out more of them and
you'll have a denser variety in your queue. But I'm
recording this and I think we're gonna try and put
(00:27):
this out shortly before my first home game at Green Bay.
This is after our first road game, first basketball game,
which we played at Oklahoma State, and I just I
kind of wanted to use this also a little bit
as a bit of a diary of things that have
been going on and so quickly to catch you up
(00:47):
to date. Okay, we we played pretty well in our
scrimmage where we scored over one hundred points and we
won won the game, you know, whether or not the
team other team was at full full strength or not.
We weren't technically a full strength, but that's okay, just
kind of learning a lot, and I felt like that
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game exposed what we knew was our weakness, which was
when we play small, our defense and rebounding at the
five and really at ancillary positions. I've always balanced the
weakness on defense with the strength on offense. And the
strength on offense is Marcosol and Anthony Roy playing kind
of the four and the five to start, both have
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mismatches when they're on the offensive end. Fast forward to
the Saint Norbert game. That was St. Norbert's, a really
well coached, talented Division III team which is also in
Green Bay, and we won that game handling. Now the
secrets sort of out now that people saw the Oaklham
State game. Anthony Roy, who's a transfer from Langstein's to
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ANIL American. Last year, he had twelve threes in the
exhibition game. Twelve made twelve in a row forty six
points to twenty sixpence. I've seen a lot of shit.
I haven't seen anything like that ever. And maybe the
last two were just heat checks that he could make anything.
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But the rest was right within the flow of our offense.
And and I'll even tell you we don't run a
ton for him because he doesn't not great at running plays,
but you don't need to. You just give him the
ball in space and let him kind of figure it out.
But I was pleased with how we played there. But
(02:35):
I was also I know we're just not a great
rebounding team, and I'm trying to figure out how we
can do all the things we want to do and
rebound within it. Fast forward to playing Oklahoma State and
they kick the shit out of us on the boards.
Nineteen offensive boards, nineteen turnovers, which is really I thought,
that's the part that was most disappointing and got us speak.
But I'd credit see lots in his staff. They made
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some adjustments at half. They continue to kind of fake
pressure us a little bit to take us out of
our secondary game, which is a good portion of how
we like to trigger our offense get it moving quickly.
I thought they made some adjustments putting three at the
back end against our press and really drove off their center,
who runs to the nail. It's a little bit of
a unique style. They're very, very physical, they're older, they're
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more athletic, you know, top to bottom than we are.
And they hit some shots as well. But the big
thing was the offensive rebound of the turnovers. And I
learned a lot as a coach. I learned that I
need to burn a time out when we clearly weren't
ready coming out at halftime. I thought, hey, I just
kept watching the score thing and will get a bucket here,
stabilize it, get a bucket there, stabilize it. And we
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could just never really get it to where we wanted
to get it to. But the positives were I thought
the guys played exceptionally hard and played to the final buzzer.
That's how we got to thirteen. We were just trying
to get it into single digits. Make him think about it,
for I can start bowling early length in the game,
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and we could just never get it to that place
because it couldn't get enough stops, can get enough rebounds.
And I played twelve guys, which is more than I'll
probably play the rest of the year, and I got
to figure out how to shorten my bench and tighten
my I'm not a pure rotation guy. It's just whatever
that game needs. But I do need to see it
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through with a couple of these guys and give them
a couple more minutes to really figure out who can
bring it who can't. Some of it is going to
be a lot of it's term and based upon practice,
because we scrimmage a lot in practice. Some will be
turned on the games, but you know, guys got to
be able to play through some mistakes, play through some adversity,
show they belong so that as we get deeper in
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the season, you know, the sticks through ninth man knows
that they'll have a little bit more leeway, a little
bit more of a role instead of just playing five
or six that the majority of the minutes. So you know,
it's one of those things when you get done with
a game, you write down notes, and my notes are
you know, really to step back, I have my play sheet.
(05:09):
There's a couple that I missed that I think could
have created some advantageous situations for us. The use of timeouts,
I gotta be better, the timing of substitutions. We even
cleaned up some of the bench stuff where I kind
of established to the coaches my thought process with two fouls,
(05:32):
which we talked about leading up to the season. But
I think they freaked out a little bit because a
couple of our best players got two fouls in the
first half. And I'm not somebody who gives a shit. Now,
that doesn't mean I don't care, but a smart player
gets a second foul, that's not an auto bench in
my world. You just have to be thoughtful about it, understand, Okay,
how much time are they attacking him. Is he smart
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enough to avoid fouls and yet still play quality defense
and still rebound therein kind of lies the rub. But
all in all, I mean, I thought, my guys battle,
I thought we showed what we can do offensively when
the ball moves, how we can create advantageous situations where
we need to get better not just in rebounding, but
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also in our deral penetration and our cuts and our spacing,
understanding reading not just where the dribble drive comes from,
but also reading how the defense plays it, where those
forty five and ninety cuts for filled behinds, where they're available.
When we played within ourselves, we're fine, We're fine. We
can absolutely play against that level of competition playing five out.
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We've got to get tougher and better on the boards,
got to get into better shape. And that one's hard
because you get into this part of the season and
we're playing That was Monday, Now we play Friday, then
we play Wednesday, then we play Saturday, and now we're
on the road for a longer stretch of the time.
So you're already worn down. So you got to be
careful about Yeah, we want to condition, but does it
actually help us get into shape or does it wear
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our legs out because we're on the road for such
longer stretches. But I'm enjoying the hell ot of the experience.
And now we play Saint Thomas tonight. Saint Thomas is
and they're gonna play Oklahoma State. I guess Sunday, which
good for oklahom State. You get them on you know,
one day turnaround, they're a beast to guard. I mean,
they really run a lot of John B. Line stuff.
(07:20):
They read and react. I do think Oklahoma State is
athletic enough to take them out of what they want
to do, and they'll beat Oklahoma State up on the
boards a ton, but their actions are really difficult to cover.
They teach it very well, they shoot it very well,
and they're confident that they're able to absorb a lot
of pressure. And if you overplay, there's some back debt
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doors there, there's some cuts there, there's a lot of
pressure releases there. So not deterred, but I learned a lot,
and you know, it's it's interesting. I think immediately after
the game people are asking me, like, what if you
like to coach? A Galler must have felt incredible. Were
you nervous whatever? You know, like when you get into it,
you're just excited because you think you can win, and
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then you're disappointing because you thought you could have won,
or you thought you could have been more competitive, and
you don't have time to process it. Now I have.
That's the great thing about all balls. I get to
process shit and say what I processed. It was an
amazing experience. Amazing coach your first game, to have your
kids there. My kids mean everything to me, and I
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scheduled the game so my daughters and son could come
watch the game, and they did. My son got a
chance to hang out with the team, right on the team, beus,
you know, be the ball boy for the night, you know,
give me suggestions at halftime. Suggestions were actually pretty good.
It's like, I don't think you can last go in
small this long. He's right. I tried to try to
go small the whole second half didn't really work. Needed that,
(08:47):
you said, my big guys, But that part of the experience,
coaching on that floor, coaching that arena, the love and
respect that I got from so many in attendance. Uh,
there's there's no words other than thank you. To be said.
Now we have Saint Thomas and we play at home
(09:07):
in the Crest. The Crest is are on campus facility.
See it's about four thousand. The Rush is downtown, so
it's about ten thousand people, and we play there. We
have one more game of the Crest the rest of
the year, we play down there in the Rush. But
the ability to come out and play a team that
we're an underdog against. We're an underdog against Saint Thomas,
three and a half point underdog, and so that way
(09:30):
I understand when you listen to the spot, if we
won that game, we pull off an upset, doesn't matter.
We're home does not matter. So you know, you learn
a lot. And then my my high school coach, Andy
Ground called me. He gave me some tips. Couple of
college head coaches, i'll leave their names out of it,
gave me some tips. One of my best friends, as
(09:51):
people know, is Miles Simon. He's a scout now with
the Atlanta Hawks. He watched the game. He gave me
some tips, and I just it's interesting to me. I
don't know how every coach does it, but I do
know how I want to do it, which is we
watch film with players all the time right and show
them things they could have done better. Why I hope
(10:12):
all coaches do what I'm doing, which is ask people
you respect, take their feedback, write it down, absorb it,
and see if you can put it in the use.
Why can only players get feedback and use it. Why
can't coaches? That's my question. So we'll see. But this
game's very different from Oklahoma State. We're not at an
(10:32):
athletic mismatch. We are at, I think a program disparity
in terms of the amount of time they've had to
put in what they've done, do what they do, and
to show these kids how to execute it, whereas everybody's
learning something for the first time in my program. But
we'll see. We're going to try and put pressure on
the basketball, or try to be physical off the ball,
(10:55):
and then really get the ball moving and a humming
at the offensive end. We can do those things. We
can score a lot of points and run them off
the three point line, but do so without jumping, without
leaving the air, and playing more on balance inside. And
that's really where oaklhom States screws me up is they're
so physical that when you drive, they put their hands
on you, and it can cause you to miss a
(11:16):
shot or have a pass go astray, and those things
affected us so to fatigue to anybody who asks, awesome,
but it's daunting because as much as everybody you got
to I can't wait to get your first win, I
can't wait either. But you know the other guy is
trying to get his win too. You know it's their
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job to win games as well. Not like Johnny's going
to come in today everything Thomas going like, yeah, I
know we're pretty good and we're really trying to get
the visual on wins. But Dottley needs a win, so
we're going to help him out. Not the way. There's
no brother in law ball here. So that's the basic
state of the union. My next pot, I'll record another
one tomorrow that's Saturday, where he can give you kind
(11:58):
of a recap of the first two. I'll introduce you
to all my players, uh and tell you kind of
where we are and and what's in front of us.
In the meantime, let's get This is part three of
Billy Baron, What Now, Why Retire? What's next? What's the dream?
Here's Billy Baron Part three on All Ball, What's gonna
fill up your cap.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Man, you're asking some really good questions. I don't, Man,
I always gotta stay busy, like I got a couple
other businesses going to Like I I gotta stay busy.
I want to stay in basketball some capacity. I don't
want to coach like I just I don't have such
a coaching such a grind. It's such a it's such
a grind. I want to my goals. I want to
(12:40):
coach my kids growing up like I want to coach.
I want to coach their AAU teams like I can't.
I'm so hands on that I can't have someone else
coach my kids, like if I was at if I
was at college, if I'm at if I'm coaching some
college and I'm having practice and some other guys coaching
my kids, like I couldn't listen.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Here's my son was in or fourth grade and we
played played against he was playing for some other guys team.
And guy's a nice guy. He's like he's a good
little high school coach and he runs a good A
year program. And they got b by Matt Barnes's Kids team.
Matt Barnes Kids team like forever has been the best
at that at that age, it's twins and they had
just add dude.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They got to be like seventy four to fourteen. And
we go and we're at this gym where it's now
open gym premieres in Anaheim.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
If you ever played in the West Coast circuit, like
everybody's played there. We're in the parking lot. He's crying
and it was hard to watch because it's like the
kids never had a chance because they had no press preak.
They couldn't even get the ball and bounce right. And
I just said, okay, so there's like two choices. He's like,
(13:46):
what are the choices? Like, will you quit? Like quit
like you're a good baseball player, play football whatever you want, like,
or you can tell me you want to get better
and I'll build your team and we'll get I was like,
I don't know if you ever beat those guys, but
we'll get we'll get close, and we will not get
embarrassed ever. And he's like this, what don't want to do? Right?
(14:08):
So then I that's what I did. I built like
and you know a lot of reasons I got a divorce,
but a big one was there's other ones that were bigger,
but that. I just said, like I want to coach
my kid, Like this is kind of all I got,
and uh, there was a lot of it was you
know there's some some tough times whatever, but I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Like watching somebody else coach your kid is so hard.
You know, like, look, if they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
If it's a former player, that's one thing. Yes, If
it's not, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
So am I my guys like super late Bloomer. So
you know, she would always say like, well, you're putting
him in and he doesn't belong.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I was like, look, first of all, coaching my
kids team for the most part, like I'm not playing
daddy ball, but like why would I coach him not
play him?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:56):
That didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right, So, but like I'm going to put him in
a situation to succeed, right, I like talk to I
talked to three Young's dad and three Young's dad's like, dude,
when Trey was little, he's not very good, but he
could shoot.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So like he just I just let him shoot, like
don't handle the ball. But it's a it. It'll be hardest,
but it'll be super awarding.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Like how did you handle the moments when he did cry,
when he did get frustrated, Like I have an idea
of how handle him, but like, how did you handle
those moments when they hit?
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I would I would say the first couple of years
really not good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
But why.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Just because my thing was just like what the fuck?
What are you fucking crying over? Like let's you know,
like get better, don't get bad? Right, Like I don't know,
I just I don't remember like those moments. It was
just like I also, I'm somebody who you know, look
if you put the time in and you're not making
shots by all means, you know, but if you're not
(15:56):
putting the time in, you know, like I have a
doctor dish, I knew how many shots you're taken, right,
like you know, by the time and like don't get back,
you know, make them like the deal, just be happy,
like I let you take him. But so there's some
of that. There was some of just the I just
I just I was big on I didn't give a
shit how good he was. It was just about how
(16:17):
hard he worked and was he a good teammate and
did he try? Did he like try? And like he
struggles with physicality he doesn't have a big brother, so
he didn't get the shit kicked out of him, like
like you and I did right by our big brother.
So I just you know, like I struggle with it.
But I will tell you that by the end this
(16:37):
last year, we had like the best eighth grade team
in the West Coast, and there was a game in
which some of the other really good players, like we
thought we were gonna win by a bunch, so they
all like went home. It was like on a circuit.
It was a fourth game in the weekend or whatever.
And I was cool with it because I was like, cool,
I get to pay my kid, like the whole game,
you know. And so we had like maybe six or
(16:59):
seven guys and you know, like we're down at the half,
and he was like like he came. I took him
out of the games, like crying. He's like, we can lose.
They don't even care. Like I get like, they don't
give a shit. Why doesn't emmy fucking give a shit?
I fucking give a shit? Right, So I go, okay.
I was like take your breath. I was like, look, dude,
(17:21):
you got some fucking anxiety work. And I got it.
I was like you're right, okay, but there was a
loose ball that you didn't go after, so boy couldn't
have got I was like, h it's like, you know,
when you don't go after loose ball, you're telling people
you don't give a shit. Right If you're not want
to do the hard things, like everybody wants to make shots,
(17:41):
like that's the fun shit. You want to do other stuff.
Go back out there and fucking play like you give
a shit. Don't say you give a shit, and like
he got him together, and I was like so proud
of him. So some of it was my own kind
of personal evolution where you know, like part of me
wanted to just go like, you know, shut the fuck up,
go back out there and stop being a pussy, right,
(18:02):
So I do have that very much in me. But
someone was just like processing, like, dude, this is just
fucking anxiety. Like if you don't, if you're not, if
you can't handle your emotions, like just don't go back
in the game.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But if you can take a breath, but I can
get your shit together, go back out you know how
to play.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
If I don't have all the answers, I can only
tell you. I'm way better at it now than I
ever was. And the truth is, like I mean, God
is my witness. All of that stuff prepared me for
this job. It's it's way more like au than it.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Is like when your dad coached in college.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You know, And I have way more patients, Like if
you can coach twelve year olds, you know, Like I
started my program, I've taken over a fourth grade B
team that got b by forty every day, right, So
like if I can handle that shit, I can handle
college kids, you know. So, and you know, there were
times in which I had I started multi level teams
(19:00):
to play him up some so that he would get challenged,
you know, and then and then we held him back.
So there were times in which like I was coaching games,
is fucking miserable, like he wasn't playing.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I'm like, what am I doing? But again, now I.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Look at it as it was just like all preparation
for this moment where I've coached a ton of games
with different styles and different teams, And I don't know
if it helps me, but I do think it helps
me process way quicker. But it's it's the hardest coaching
your kid, and I'm sure, your dad would say this
the hardest thing and what, without any question, the most
(19:33):
rewarding thing you're ever going to do, right, because like
my dream is now to do it. You and your
dad did, like fucking coach my kid and then go
have a fucking beer after the game and talk about it,
you know, Like, I'm my first game is at Oklahoma State,
and I told him. He's like, first he was like,
I'm mowre ingreading like I'm an oklah mistake guy. Like, dude,
(19:55):
your dad coach.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
The team, so it's your school to I was like,
I'm coaching the other team. Gets so anyway, Then he's like,
well can I come? Yeah, you gotta fucking come be
all in we're green. Like yeah, Like so now I'm
almost hit his ass right on the bench on my feet.
I fuck it right, my first game, I want my
kid there. I want him to hear everything he knows
(20:18):
all like, I've run all the same play. Is that
just a little bit more intricate way of getting into it.
So I'm gonna let him call some fucking plays and
help me coach.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's awesome. That's awesome.
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Speaker 1 (20:39):
I don't know, dude, like I would tell you I
wish I had like perfect advice.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I mean there's no perfect advice.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean there's no I just wouldn't say, like, I
definitely don't want to coach because I think you can.
Anything you're gonna do is gonna be fucking hard and
it's not gonna be fast fun as like broadcasting games
is really fun.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I say, yeah, it's fucking amazing. Yeah, here's the problem. Okay,
when you first broadcast the game, like ESPN hires you,
why wouldn't they hire you? Right, So they'll put you
on the Mac and they'll put you on like the
low level I major games, and you're gonna be working
with somebody else is trying to prove themselves and not
(21:20):
all of them are very good, and you know, it's
a little bit of a shitch. Like when you get
to the high level.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Of doing game like an you NCA tournament like for
CBS's I did that for four years.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Like, dude, those producers are fucking amazing. You're like you
just think of a video to bring up, like, hey,
do we have that that video of Rhode Island when
they beat Kansas and Oklahoma City and Termin're like, yeah,
we got that there.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
It is like roll it up, Like when you're doing
like your first couple of years, you're like, hey, can
I get a replay? Like yeah, we don't know how
to do that, like what you know? So and but
the bigger thing is like you have to you gotta
let it go, and that's a hard one. So my
first year doing game games, I had played two years overseas.
(22:02):
I played in Russia my first year, as year on
my second, and then it was great for me because
it was that time away and I just like was.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Way smart as the basketball player, totally understood things.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm watching college basketball, like these guys are doing the
most rudimentary shit, whereas I was playing at a high
level in Russia and our offense was way better. And
then I went back and played at France at the
end of the year and it was just I was
so calm because like I was, I was, I was good.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I was.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But the problem is like when you go if you
go in broadcast games, you're gonna want to play.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Again, Okay, okay, Like I started when I.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Was twenty six, Okay, I didn't achieve what you achieved,
you gonna want to play again now. I also went
through when I stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I went to ESPN the next year, Like I went
six months and like didn't touch a basketball, Like I
went through and like I had that like fuck, I
hate you fucking basketball thing, you know, and then I
was kind of good, and then I you know, I
think the other thing is, you know, we were talking
about the big school deal. I think if you play
one of those big schools, unless you get to playing
(23:09):
at Red Star, you can't survive overseas because you walk
into some of those gyms and their fifteen hundred seats
and you're like, what the fuck is this right? You're
not like motivated to go kill when you're playing in
a high school gym. So yeah, I don't know if
I have the answer for you. I mean, like, if
it's the NBA, then go to the video room. And
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the NBA is such a different animal.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think you'll fucking love it. It's just all about basketball.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But there's also going to be some guys that you're like, Okay,
you went to mit, why are you ahead of me
in line? Like yeah, because they've been grinding and doing
that shit for like eight years.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
If you do go do broadcasting, it's super fun. But
again there's some low level stuff, and broadcasting is very
much a perception based business. There's no scoreboard, so you
may go like, fuck, I'm good, I killed and your
boss might go.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Like, eh, yeah, or maybe you have a boss who's
like a fucking big Baron family fan and then they
elevate you and they're like what you said, Like, you
gotta find people that you gotta find people that buy
into you.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Know, you know, the AAU thing and telling pharmaceuticals is cool, and.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You know, I don't know, take care of your kids.
Whatever fucking fills up your cap. And the great thing
about what you got is you got a little bankroll there.
So if you don't like what you're doing, do something else,
you know.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, yeah, the as and side I think of things
is so interesting. Man, Like I walked into the gym,
so I'm in the line, I'm recar, I'm rehab. I'm
walking to the gym and there's a kid playing for
our youth teams, like seven one going through the legs,
through legs, step back three and I walked right up
to them from like, my man, come here, what are
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you doing? Like what's your plan? Don't I don't have planned? Okay,
Like do you want to go to college? Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yes? Someone coach? Okay, has anyone contacted you? No, no
one's contacting me. Okay, all right, Like, well, like let's
do this. So like I actually spoke to some people.
I got him a solid deal. I think I got
him a scholarship and Brewster. I'm like, you know, this
is what you should do. I think you should go
to Brewster Academy. Go there for a year. The guy
Jason Smith's gonna take care of you, and then you're
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gonna go find a deal in college. You're seven two
like step back threes. I'm like, this is what you
gotta do. You're gonna go par five and nowadays you're
gonna make lots of money. So I hear back. The
kids actually got like seven figure offers stuff now, so
I'm like, oh, there you go. There that was just.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
H what's the kids name?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Luigi Swego.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
There was a kid who was like Italian, who is
like seven feet like point guard. I don't know if
that was him.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't know, he's not really.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And this this guy was like it was really a point,
but he brought it up and I was like, what
the fuck am I watching? And it was out of
our it was out of our price point. But I
was like, are you guys watching this? Like like that's's
kind of fun. I'm not gonna lie to you, right.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's what I want to, Like, I want to take
those kids and advise them and be like, listen, I've
been through it. Hell, I'll even train you, like I
will break down film with you. You guys need assistance,
Like I had an older brother who like showed me
the way. I can like be an advisor for you.
I will show you the way. Because these guys they
don't really know what's going on, Like they like no
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offense to Green Bay. They would think I could tell
them Green Bays of blue Blood and they're like, oh,
oh okay, okay, Like they might think it's up there
with Kentucky, you do, like they.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
The Kentucky did. They don't have like division.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
A man like they and I. I just there's a
need there for for a guy who can bridge that gap,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think, I think, I love that. I have a
couple other friends and we'll like not in the recording thing,
I'll tell you kind of who they are or whatever
that are doing that exact same thing that they and like, look,
that's how honestly like my dad, that's what he would
be doing if he was alive, because what he used
to do was he started this. He used to place
all the guys on the day you team in college, right,
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And that's like what he that was this thing like
I want all my guys to play in college.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And then he started like helping some other kids out.
And then somebody's like, hey, you know, you can make
some money doing this, like really, And so he would
put together people's tapes and then he would call the
people he thought the level. He would give him an
EVL of you can play this level, and eventually he
turned it into like a business. Well now that would
be fucking nil, right, he'd just be evaluating whatever. So yeah,
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and and the other thing is and like, look, the
guys that I've dealt with are good dudes.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're like, hey, man, like I'm not going to gouge
this kid. Just here's about three. But there's a lot
of bad actors out there there, and you know, like
all this other stuff you still have to do with
parents because there's still kids and there's still gonna be
other people with their hands handouts. But I think the
foreign players mets. Honestly, the best thing.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
That comes from this nil thing is that we've reinvigorated
the foreign market.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Because there were so many rules that are so restrictive.
You know, I have one from Israel, one from Senegal,
one from Australia, and I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
at least one from likely from New Zealand upcoming, maybe two.
And then I turned out a Polish kid who I loved.
Was like the hardest part of this job was like
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I had two point guards. One was like a six
six Polish kid and one was a six to Australian kid.
I took the Australian kid like I hung up with
the Polish kid, and I was like, oh my god,
that just like hurt my heart because I love both
these kids, but I can only take one. You know,
that's just fun, Like I wouldn't hate it.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
And then you could travel still, you go travel overseas
and take your wife.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, yeah, not bad still be.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Around it and know. Yeah, by the way, if you decided, hey,
I want to coach, you'll have all the connections with
coaching right now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
If you want to go to the front office in Europe,
you'll have all the connections there.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Like rap Polinka, Bob Myers, they all were agents and
they all I think I know Rapinka.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Was and yeah, so what's his name? Run? The next
was an agent, huge agent, right.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
What's his name?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
What is this? Le Rose?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Len Rose? Yes, yes, y, And.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I was getting all his clients back.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So you know, how has the n I l Like,
my dad coached mid major basketball and I love mid
major basketball. Well, how has it really impacted you? Some?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I mean some like like there's there's just kids that
like we can't get Yeah, you know, like if you
sit there and go like, hey the price is one
hundred and fifty, like good luck, you know, but like
we have some And my thing is, I think at
this level, your best chance of winning is to have
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a high retention rate. All right, bring back as many
dudes as you can that you want back.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
So with our nil like, that's our main focus is Okay,
we got to raise a bunch of money and find
the kids that we think are the best fit and
get those guys and then you know, maybe one in
the portal. I love junior college kids because they here's
the thing with junior college kids. You get the age
of some of the portal kids. But the portal kids again, remember,
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if you're coming to my level, unless you're going from
D two or Naia and I have one Ania kid
who's awesome, But unless you're coming from you're stepping down level.
So a lot of times they're arrogant because they think
they're better than the level, and they're kind of broken
because the higher level they didn't play that much. That's
why they're at your level, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
So I tell the younger guys that we recruit, like, look, dude,
here's the deal. You could go to pick your big
school and then you don't play, and then you're in
the portal and then you come back to me, which
are not as valuable to me because you don't have
any confidence even though you've been in a college basketball program.
You're why don't you come to me? Play for me
right away? And then two years in if you say, hey, coach,
I want to go make like serious money, I'll pick
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up the phone and call myself.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's hard to keep kids for four years. You are
going to get priced out, and there's insanity.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I got the job.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
I got the latest job in the country. So there's
a ton of kids available, a ton ton. So part
of me is like, dude, maybe we shouldn't do anything
TI late, because there's always going to be guys that
thought they were going to get paid and they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know, they have no sense of how it really works.
But yeah, there's some money, and like, if you find
the right kid who's about the right things, you give
them a little money and you feel fucking really good
about it. You like call a kid and like, I
have a couple of guys that we called them in
and they never asked us for a penny. I'm like, hey,
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we're going to give you this because we think and
then we're trying to do things a little differently here.
I don't know how much I should share, but I
got all my guys new mattresses. I did a deal
with with a with a mattress company that I haven't sponsored.
I did. We have a a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Meats is the biggest meat distributor in Wisconsin and the
northern Midwest.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
They have all this grass fed beef from Colorado. Hey go.
So they're a big donor of minds. So I at
wholesale price, I raised money while like five grand of meat.
All their freezers are filled with chicken and the best beef.
So my thing is like, look, I can't take care
of you and give you one hundred or two hundred grand,
but you're gonna have fucking fun playing for me. You
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know you're gonna get better because I got a great
developmental staff.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're gonna do the absolute best to make you feel
like you're special. You know, and feel like you're special.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Is like we got our guys in the best departments
in town, and we got our guys. Their fridges are full. Hey,
we got awesome coaches, like all of them like played,
and we want to be kind of a tenant to them.
You know. I have one that had like I just said, hey,
what do you need And he's like, coach, my teeth
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haven't been fixed, Like I got dental problems. He had
like two root canals, got new contacts. So thankful, you know.
So I do think there's a way in which and
again I may get bit. I may have fifteen in
the portal. I may be a complete idiot, don't know,
but at least we're trying to do a little different.
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While we're trying to build support for the community, for
the team, try and get them, you know, as many
little things as we can that make sense, because we're
not going to be able to just shell out cash
and then make it so that, you know, they have
a little bit of cash in their pockets, so that
they don't feel like nobody gives a shit about.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Them, right and within reason, they are like, we've been
We've done pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And then you know, pick the kids you want, and
those are the kids you go after, and those, by
the way, are the ones that donors have. A lot.
Where you lose donors is where you.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Go after a kid and you're like, hey, I need
like five rand a month of this kid, and like
how good he's like, why, he's really good. Then you
get him and the kid's a turd or it's not
that good and he's not playing, and you're like.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
What the fuck am I giving this money for this kid?
Whereas if you have him for a year and they
see him, they're like, I'll do anything if you can
keep that kid like, Okay, here's how much it costs, right,
and then you have to be willing at some point
to go like like, the best player here last year
was a kid named Noah Reynolds. Noah came, his brother
was an assistant. He came with Sun Dance Wicks from Wyoming,
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the player of the year in the league. And now
he's a TCU and you know it's a six figure deal.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't know how, Like there's all kinds of rumors
if it starts with the three or four or five,
I don't know, God bless them.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
And then you just got a champion that is like
that's the success story. Like his first job was for
say three hundred grand. Good for him.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It sucks because you want to recruit a kid and
you want to keep him forever, but you have to
be realistic about it.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
So and then every kid you recruit differently, Like my
Australian kid, I was like, look, dude, I'm gonnaf your scholarship,
but you're staying the whole time with me. Okay, couch
whatever you need, couch, no problem, you know. So some
of these kids you gotta recruit and going like look, dude,
I know you got to get paid. I know your
family doesn't that much like Tom Hoop, and then we'll
call around. We'll see where he gets you some money.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So right, right right, pull up my phone. I'm gonna
pull up my iPads because my phone, I guess.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, give me one second too, I want to I'm
actually flipping.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Something recording in the progress.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
What's up? Wait?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Hold mad, I got I gotta switch this.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Em on a second?
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Is what?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
H full time out? Are you ready? All right? I
got a couple questions for you.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The the coolest place you can remember eating overseas.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Probably eating when my wife were like staring right, We're
like sitting like this balcony, staring right at the Acropolis
and assens like it's one of those not only like
was it view good? It was like the food was
like elite. So it was like a mixture of both,
Like I've had good views, but it's like a mixture.
Like you know when you go to some places, like
if you go to Rome and you go to some
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of these places where you can sit there and eat,
it's like very touristy. I hate the touristy spots. Totally,
absolutely hate the touristy spots, so I'd say probably that one.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Okay, where is home?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Rhode Island's home still, yeah, yeah, we're building the house
in Florida right now though, so that might be come home.
We'll see, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Me hire from Rhode Island.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
I fucking I can't take the cold, like, oh here,
but I'm here in Buffalo now is at forty degrees today.
I'm like, there's just no way I could not do this.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
There's no way, yeah, no way, Yeah, I hear you.
I'm just just it all has just hit northern Wisconsin,
released in Wisconsin, and yeah, I was like, I'm okay
with cold or whatever. And so I live on Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So the backside of my house unbelievab layout, unbelievable sunset.
But the wind is easily like fifteen knots more in
the back of my house in the front of my house,
and I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
And when that hits, it's right through the jacket.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Right, it doesn't matter what you got on. And I'm like, I'
mean in southern California. So I'm already a pussy. You know.
It's just the worst. If you could live anywhere that
you played, where would.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It be it's a toss up between Milan and Belgrade. Belgrade.
I think for the people, great city, like a small
it's kind of like a college town. Like it's like
you're Charlottesville, It's like you're Durham. It's because everything is
revolved around the team. Like there's two teams there and
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everything revolves around them. Like when those teams are playing,
like the city stops. So like the vibe there was
great Milans. You know, fashion, you got soccer, basketball, culture
is great rising like I probably say Belgrade. Plus your
dollar was a lot further there than it does anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
So you get home every year, like what is your
thing that like signific I'm at home that I did,
Like as soon as I get home, I do this,
like a.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Fat rebbi steak, just a huge bone in rebbi steak.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
That the cowboy cut tomahawk. Yeah yeah, no, the tomak,
the big long one. Yeah yeah, that cowboy is just
the bone in rebbi.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah that that that's gotta be it.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
That's got to be because the beef is not nearly
as good anywhere else. No, Argentina maybe, but like this
is the yeah yeah, uh that teammate you ever had overseas.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Jeez, it's like I don't want to say one, because
there's been some good ones who have helped me out
through some ship like James Gist. I always think like
James Gist, like talk about soldier, like brought the energy
every single day. And it's like as a shooter, like
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when I went to a swamp, when I hit like
one shot, He's just like Billy barn in the house.
He would just hype me up so much. And dude,
that's just that's all I need, you know what I mean,
Like he just always put me on. He's one of
them for sure. Oh that's a great.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Question, all right, worst teammate you ever had.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I can't say his name is due to my Spanish team.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'll just say him that.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
What he did I got. I'll stare here. Okay.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
There's a guy named Guy Contour when I played in Israel,
I was playing in Israeli, but I was the bosman
or whatever, and they had like an unwritten rule like
always trying to have an Israeli on the floor, you know,
And he was.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
The best one. Right. We had to get named Guy Panini,
who I think he just finished playing Okay, my guy
was like eighteen of the time, so he was a
dip shit. You know.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
We had some good Israelis, but they were young. So
guy Guy Contour was like my age, maybe a little
bit older, combo guard and like I'd be hooping in
the first half and I come in and they'd be
arguing all of a sudden, like they'd be arguing in
Hebrew and I don't speak Hebrew.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
And we'd come out of the second half and I
would not play nearly as much. What the fuck? And
like the other Americans, like Corey Carr was like, dude,
come on, you know they're fucking talking about you. And
I know if he was just trying to piss me
off or whatever, just get me, get me into it.
But like Guy would do shitty stuff, like I would
do something and he would he would like he would,
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I would. He knew that I was a passer, right, so.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
I drive and I'd kick out to him and he
like hold the ball a second and then make an
extra pass him.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Then I didn't have to kill my assist. Just little
fucking things that that drove me crazy. I would say
Guy Contours easily easily on that. On that left like.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I had a big that like every out that I
totally he Throughtaly Shugar get the ball and like that's
my pet peeve. It's like dude, like like every guy
and I'm not the guy that's like jacket every single shot.
Like I actually think privately, I think I actually can
come off a screen and like make the right pocket
pass at the very last second. I actually think like
I can do that very well. So like I'm not
the guy. It's just like that's a black hole. He's
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just come off that screen to shoot it off the floppy. No,
I'll curl it and I'll hit the guy the big
for a dunk. I'll do that all day long. So
when when I got that, I'm like come on, man,
like come on stop, so.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Say Spanish, Spanish guy, huh Brazilian Brazilian guy. Yeah, my
only my only, My only memory Brazil was I just
first started doing NBA Draft ESPN and Leandro Barbosa is
coming out and I got a tape from his agent
of like a Brazilian league game and I watched it
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and they were like what do you think. I was like,
I don't even know what I just saw, Like nobody
played in a Yes, they were all super and it
was just it was greeny like an FT and it
was the shots collection was crazy, like everything about it
was not.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, I think it was a fight in the game.
There was stuff that are on the court, like a
little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, okay, outstarted outside of Red Star, outside of the
Madison Square Garden of Europe. Coolest place you played in
the rug is nice? Did they did they open the news?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
We did it. They read all the seats. They put
together like a new like L E. B floor whatever
it's called. There, everyone's doing that. Now, that's nice. When
it's rocking and they're winning, the supporters are crazy. Probably
them are like the other team in Serbia when you
play them, even though it's in the same gym, it's insane,
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Like it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
But you guys played the same game.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
So partisan and Red Stars share the same gym.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Okay, I've been to the I've been by.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
It, so so now like when I was there, they're
playing in that gym. That's see it. Like let's say,
like I see like eight to ten thousand, which was
perfect right on top of you, like you couldn't mean
you could be right here and you couldn't hear me,
you know. But now they play at this gym on
the other side of town, like twenty two thousand. Yeah,
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but when you have like thirteen thousand in there, it's
not it's not a whole court advantage. But when that
place is going like no, like this is this is
you haven't seen this, Like you know what I mean,
Like in America. I'm talking to an American who hasn't
been over there. You haven't seen this doesn't exist in America.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So coaching your kids having played in Europe, what will
you develop differently than you developed playing the United States.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I haven't played more one on one growing up, I said,
I have him try and figure out different ways to score,
use their bodies, stuff like that. I haven't in better
shape than me, Like I didn't I didn't make the
I'm so critical myself. I didn't make the NBA because
I couldn't move my feet fast enough, and I didn't
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I wasn't in the best condition. Like if I can
go back, I would have trained so hard and just
been in the best shape because I wasn't there to
prove I can make shots. I was there to prove
that I'm gonna guard ninety four fifty and I'm gonna
do it every single time. I'm gonna advance the ball
as fast as I can. I'm gonna get everyone in
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their spots, and I'm just gonna be like a pest.
That's all I'm gonna be. And so I'll teach me
how to do that. And I'm definitely teaching pick and
roll stuff. Like I know, pick and roll here is
a bit different than Europe, but I love the teaching
the pick and roll. The reads, you know, look for
the which guy is gonna bump, who's gonna be open?
Like that stuff that I learned later from a couple
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of coaches I had in Europe. You know, little details
of the pick and roll that I was like, man,
this is awesome, Like I just love How can.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
You imagine how easy college basketballall be right now for you?
Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's just it would be crazy. But I would need
to like I would need to grab my big like, hey,
you're not gonna slip, You're gonna set this screen. You're
gonna crack them. Problem is, I don't know if they
would let him crack them, but you're gonna sit there
and you're gonna hit him all right. If he hard hedges,
you open up and you just look right over your head,
it's gonna come right here. And then you look opposite.
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You look to the corners, or you look to the
big duck in it one or the other. All right,
if they you gotta said it. If they're going flat
roll for me, just wait a little bit, stay in
that pocket, right. Like little things like that, I would
need to teach them, but it would be so easy
because the weak side defense is just there's no bump,
there's no nothing. But it's also like, okay, I want
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to talk to you about this because you brought it
up earlier. You brought up the twenty four second clock.
It makes the game way more enjoyable. It also puts
pressure pure It puts when I was playing the couch,
it's still thirty five seconds, it's thirty now. It puts
pressure on the coaches to be like, hey, listen, I
got a call set. That's gonna work because right now,
if you call set, you got twelve seconds to figure
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fifteen seconds. I'll call another set, or I'll play it
like in Europe, every little thing matters because that twenty
four seconds goes quick, right And then I like, at
least on the offensive rebound, they don't set the shot
clock back all the way fourteen. But that's a good
that's that's great.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
You know.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's like there's a rhyme or reasons every single thing
you're doing on the court. And I think that's what
we miss as Americans growing up, is to understand team
basketball on how I like play pick and rolls. Everything's
very one on one, and that's the NBA. It's it's
one on one, you know. But that's where you see
how we struggled in the Olympics, how we almost lost
in the Olympics. I mean, those are my teammates on
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Serbia who were up by eighteen in the third quarter
of Like, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Okay, honest question. You're watching the game, who are you
rooting for?
Speaker 2 (48:57):
I just wanted I wanted obviously I want USA to win.
But I'm glad that other countries were heard because I
feel like for some Europeans, it's like when people were
asking me, like, hey, did you know one in the
Serbian team, I'm like, yeah, like those guys, A lot
of those guys my teammates, Like those are the guys
I play against. It's nice that. I feel like they
(49:18):
garnered a good amount of respect from that, you know,
and it's nice to mind though, mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
They're like they were hitting shots like Serbius hitting shots.
It was nice though to see, like, all right, who
who's America gonna go to? And it's like really digging
down deep and like there couldn't have been more pressure
(49:40):
on those guys in that moment, like the Steph Curry Lebron,
like that had to be the ultimate pressure for them.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Bro. Steph Curry hits four threes in a row and
the last one was a fucking joke, true, And the
thing about it was he wasn't playing well. No, it
wasn't playing well. And like you hit on two things
which are the secrets of Steph Curry. Okay, One, he's
(50:06):
in better shape than anybody.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
He fucking never gets tired, right, which is Lebron's kind
of similar, just obviously different body type. And then two
he has that irrational self confidence where like, who thinks
I'm gonna just take some fucking fade away throw up
three over Victor webbin Yama to win the Olympics, Curry.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
And then he does like he's unbelievable in the fact
that Kevin Durant got the ball, it just went right
back too. It's just Kevin Durant top five score ever
and he goes, I got the ball. Here you go
take him right back through the hot hand. That's insane.
Steven looks Lebron's wife. They even look even.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Looked at Lebron like Kevin rrobably thought about it like nah,
and I don't back to it.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Did Steph get doubled from from Katy's man? Was that
Kat's man who helped and helped because there's two guys
that can test this, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and then they rotated and they rotated to kat and.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Then he who came over to contestant. Yeah, which is wild,
wild wild, But it was I mean, it was nice
to see those guys, Like I get where they come
from now, Like I I like, it's not glamorous over there.
They don't have the facilities, all the facilities that we
have they don't have, Like it was nice to see
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them on that stage doing what they're doing because like
that country, like that's literally like they got bit so
oh my gosh, Like I cannot imagine if they won
the gold medal like they came back with whatever the bronze.
It was like they got celebrated like they won the gold,
but hundreds of thousands of people parade, Like I just
know that country was going absolutely bananas.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Hey, even more than Jennifer your time. Take care of
those kiddos. I can't wait to see a coaching au
and like, listen, dude, you want to come stay for
a week and just get your basketball fixed, You're welcome.
And if you do the agent thing, I expect a
player down right, because I'm gonna low mid major. But
(52:02):
in the meantime, like uh believe or not, I kind
of idolize you and your brother being able to play
for your dad and you guys still have it having
a great relationship through it all, and then obviously what
you're able to accomplish overseas is fucking big time. And
unlike people at that at the bar in Buffalo who
(52:23):
go like, oh, did you play in the NBA? Like
you and I know, like what you did was way
harder than getting a ten day in the league. Way hard,
thanks very hard.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Uh sorry, it had to end at thirty three. It
ends for everybody at some point in time. But you
made some money. You kicked some ass, he made some cash,
and now whatever you need, if you can, if I
can ever help you, you just ask and I will
fucking pick up the phone and call.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Appreciate it, man, Thanks a lot, seriously.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Have a great night. I truly appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Thanks man, Thanks man too.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
All Right, my thanks to Billy Baron all three parts
to our fantastic You can go back and let's listen
to them in their queue. Be rooting for the Phoenix tonight.
If you listen to this, and we'll be back with
you tomorrow for another pod telling you how it all went,
the mistakes that I made, the things that we got
to clean up, and hopefully we're discussing our first win
(53:19):
of the season in the meantime. Thanks for listening. I'm
Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball
Host
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