Doug continues his conversation with Green Bay Assistant Coach - and former West Virginia and UNLV Point Guard - Jordan McCabe to discuss Team USA taking home the gold medal in Paris, Steph’s epic gold medal close out game against France, Jordan’s experience attending Steph’s camp, what blew him away during a workout with Curry, defining ‘aura’, when it became clear to him that choosing to play at West Virginia was a mistake, and why he still has a good relationship with Bob Huggins despite eventually transferring to UNLV.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottie.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is all fall got a lot to get you
in this All Ball episode, including my lasting thoughts on
USA basketball and I just I don't know. Let's you
know what, Let's let's cut to the chase. Let's welcome
in my assistant coach, my man man, Jordan McCabe, Part
two of of J five and the dissertation of his
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life that you can you recall a championship game where
a dude hits four threes to win the game.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I cannot. I cannot, but I can tell you are
our financial guy down the hall, Steve Millard definitely could.
He's he's a data analytical genius. But I can't. I
don't have that in the roller decks. That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
What like as a what what amazes you about?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think because what happens is what happens to a
lot of people is they don't know how to contextualize stuff, right,
And it's really hard to contextualize stuff, even for those
of us who've kind of lived our whole life in basketball.
But everybody has something different inside basketball that impresses you
about Steph, what is it for you?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We could do an entire episode on the things I
love about Steph Curry. No, just that topic itself right now.
My fiance can attest to this. She's also asked me, like,
you love me right, like more than you love Steph Curry.
She's asked that before. It's been a question in our household.
I watched everything, all the documentaries, everything right, just love
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him as a human being and a basketball player. But
I think what impresses me the most is the still shot,
and I think somebody else I don't want to take
credit for it, but the still shot of him shooting
it over Dolbert and the other guy from France, and
from one angle, the picture shows Lebron and KD hands ready,
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shot ready, nobody else within the frame, and Steph's fading
back to the sideline, the only player maybe in the
history of basketball, to where they're like, yeah, you know,
that's a good shot, especially when those two guys are
standing on the left wing wide open. But I mean,
other than that, Steph Curry just as a human being,
that's what That's what I love so much. I don't
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think you can radiate more confidence. I know, aura like
aura is a big thing in my generation. Right now,
everybody talks about or is that a Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. There's a lot of different levels.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He's hitting me with that last night and he's like, Dad,
I think you have you have positive aura.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's good, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Do, I have negative What is negative aura?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's like, Oh, that's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You don't want that. That's like that's like, uh, I
think swag is another another Like, you know, I think
Coach Archibald would just be like he's got swag, which
would translate directly to he's got some good aura about him.
You know, he just walks like he's got his stuff together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it's it's really weird you brought that word
aura because it's literally was that. We were driving to uh,
you know, our favorite place to Aaron Duck last night
and they were discussing aura and I was like.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What's or is like a dad?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Or is everything?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Aura?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Aura's everything? And for him he's starting to enter into
the dating game, it's huge for him. Hayes has to
have big time aura when he walks into school in Oklahoma. Yeah,
on Thursday, he's got to walk in with you can't
think about it either or you just got it or
you don't. And he's got it. He's got to just
let it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, well he does, I said. But that's why I
said it, Like, you can't force it, no, you when you, uh, when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You try too hard, it just kind of back by.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's a lot like golf, you know, like when you
swing too hard that that sucker is going right, you know, yep,
I think the thing that and you know, like Twitter
freaked out because he was he wasn't playing well in
the second half.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It felt like he was a little out of it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I was just sitting there and this is a
real hard thing, you know, when we start coaching our guys,
is like, at what point, no matter how much faith
you having, a kid like you go like this is
not his night tonight, you know?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Or do you?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And And I think I wonder if anyone other than
Steve Kerr was the coach, if they would have left
him in the game. I mean probably probably because of
Steph Curry, probably, but I can't say definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Right, No, I think somebody somebody else would have buckled.
And it's funny because it's like Steph's entire career, right,
Like you look back all the way to Davidson in
his first game against Michigan when he did struggle, Like,
there is no quicker way to, you know, just just
kill somebody's confidence. Then as soon as they struggle or
make a mistakes, yank them out of the game. Now
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there's a caveat to that. And it's like, if the
kid doesn't work hard and he's not Steph Curry level
character and competitiveness, then you don't get that same leash.
And if you mess up, I'm probably yanking you. But
Steph Curry has just built up this equity among like
the entire basketball community. I don't know. I think even
if it wasn't Steve Curry stays in the game.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's I think that's the hardest thing that I am.
I'm working through is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I completely understand as to you, and I think this
is where from my generation towards yours how important confidence is.
And you know what happened, you know when I was
in school was everybody was about breaking people down and
building the back.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Up, right, And the couple issues with that are.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You can break a guy down and you don't get
him back. And then now you don't have him long enough, right,
like he used to You do that as a freshman
and then you know, you go kind of grow through it.
You don't have them long enough. The big thing is
like just kids, and I don't know necessarily if it's fragility,
but yeah, I mean we look you and I we
know we have a couple of kids like that now
that you're just like they come to us as almost
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like and forgive the term if people are offended by it,
but almost like batter women, where they're just they're just
so hesitant to try things because they have no personal
self confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Right, and it really it really limits them, so.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They start to overthink everything. Right. You see this a
lot in college basketball now. And I can speak on
this because I feel like I was one of them
and I'm not the victim, like whatever, I made the
wrong choice and style of play. We've talked about it,
but once I left West Virginia, I can honestly say say,
without a shadow of a doubt, I was no longer
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the same player from a confidence level that I was
going in. And I don't think that's a surprise. Everybody
watching it could see it. No big deal, But there
is that thing. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah so, And I think you have to manage each
kid because some kids you can pull them out whenever,
and they don't. It doesn't bother them at all. Right,
some kids you can motherfuck them up and down and
they nothing, nothing changes, nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Affects step Right, let's go back to your story.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And by the way, can I tell you that the
thing that the confidence thing, is what impressing me about Steph.
But the other part too, It is he's in such
unbelievable shape, unbelievable shape.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's one of the craziest things in your It's great
because nobody talks about it enough, Like A, can't imagine
having a guard that dude. And B when I started
to like really fall in love with him was when
I went to his camp. I got selected to go
to Steph Curry's camp, which is funny because I was
an alternate. Some kid got sick. I was in northern
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Wisconsin with all my uncles and family having a good
old Wisconsin time by a bonfire. I get a call saying, Hey,
You're going to San Frand tomorrow. I'm in the middle
of absolute nowhere. Got to get to an airport, go
out to Steph Curry's camp, I get lucky enough to
perform well, and then I'm staying a day after and
my coach, Mike Weinstein, who you know knows Brandon Payne,
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Steph's trainer. The day after camp, I asked, can I
please work out with Steph? And that's what I picked up.
The dude was in the craziest shape I've ever experienced
in my entire life, and I could not keep up
in you know, in the slightest it was wild. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The other guy who's like that, honestly is Lebron Right, Like,
it's I feel like the one thing that yeah, again
it gets doesn't get discussed enough about. Like all of
these things are only possible because those two dudes are
in ridiculous to good shape and different, right, Like Steph's
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is part of it is you know, he's constantly in motion,
but he also he's taken a little bit of a
beating because guys were super physical with him, right, and
you know he has the ball, he doesn't have the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
He's never really stopping.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then you know, as much as you want to
catch your breath on defense, know that people are coming
at him for Lebron he's just a gigantic human being
and to be able to move that body at this age,
even though he really has a good economy of movement,
Like you watch him defensively, he's smart. He's not very
good defensively anymore, but he knows where to be and
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when to extend his energy. But I just I am
a bit of a conditioning fanatic, and those two are
not only two of the all time great players, but
to the all time great like physical specimens from a
conditioning conditioning standpoint. But I thought the other part too,
which is really cool, was like here you have the
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end of a gold medal game, and I think Lebron knows,
like I can't get my own shot really anymore, like anything.
But even Durant had a layup and he kicked out,
Like they were all going like this is like STEP's
gonna end the ship for us. Like that was crazy
to see all of those guys drive in or give
it right back to him and let him end the thing.
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And then he sure enough did that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right there is the definition of aura for any generation
out there that doesn't understand aura. That's aura right there. There.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You go, positive aura, positive positive.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, so you get to West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What was your what are your initial memories of getting
to West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This place is fun as hell. This is the most
fun place on earth. Morgantown, West Virginia. If you are
you know, eighteen nineteen years old, the most fun place
you can be. Man, the people are great. It's like
I grew up in Wisconsin. I bounced around, though I
lived in Seattle for a little bit or just on
the east side of it. I lived in North Augusta,
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and we moved around, but I was pretty much raised
in a small town. And then to go to Morgantown,
it just felt like a small town plus sixty thousand,
you know, sports crazed undergrads and it was the most
fun ever. Our team, you know, got there in the summertime,
like we do. We get there in June and we
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get rolling. You're kind of the only people on campus.
And the people in Morgantown are amazing, like in terms
of how they treat you as an athlete. You'll walk
through Kroger and they'll stop you and they're you know,
their kids decked out mountaineer gear because they say it
all the time. You're the West Virginia Lakers. There's only
us in that state, right, the Mountaineers. Excuse me, Marshall,
(11:45):
I'm sorry, different conversation, but it's really only West Virginia,
and they'll stop being Kroger. They're taking pictures with their kids.
It was an amazing just welcoming from the people. That
town is different.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Alright, what about the basketbrook On?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Was that like.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Basketball part of it was the hardest thing I've ever done.
I was just telling one of our guys, actually, like
the hardest thing I've ever done physically and mentally was
playing for Bob Huggins. And that's a tremendous compliment because
what he does is he does prepare young men for life.
I think that's what Bob Huggins does better than maybe
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anybody else. Very cut from the same cloth as Bob Knight.
I think a lot of his his players would say
the same. Some would it, some most would right, Eddie
Sutton sing sing Eddie Sutton, the same thing. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
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Speaker 3 (12:41):
To Marshall, not the guy you want to talk shit
on is the producer. He can make you look better.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
As a fresh street what's your first bake?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Okay, this this Bob Huggins moment.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I got trapped there. We were working on a one
to three one and a half court. I got trapped
on the on the top left corner and I ball
faked across the floor and I saw my shooter running baseline,
the baseline to my same side, So I ball faked
across the floor through a behind the back pass, behind
the back pass down the sideline, one dribble into my
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shooter's pocket. He shot it and before the ball was
in the air, I heard Hugs scream stop stop, stop stop.
I thought it was a great pass and maybe my
memory is failing me. Maybe it went out of bounce.
I'm pretty sure I hit the shooter in the pocket
and he cussed me up and down, was like, we're
not starting this ship right now. He knew what was
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going to go on, like he wanted to get me
into what he wanted from a point guard. And that's
what a coach, you know, a coach will do. That
was one of my first experiences like, okay, a little
bit different than high school. Don't have the leeway in
the least that I did have to build equity. And
that's just hitting singles, which I was like terrified of
because my whole career everybody told me hit singles, hit singles,
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and to be honest, I was like, oh that I'm not.
I'm going for a grand sla.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My dad's thing.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
My dad's thing. I was, uh, I'll never forget. It's
played about the singles. I played in the CIF semi
finals against Stan Margarita High School. We played it Edison
High School and hunting the beach, and I had done
i think the previous year and that year in the
first round of yeah, like we were a top seed,
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so I had thrown up between the legs past both years.
So it's kind of my thing, like you can you
can kind of clown these dudes because you win by forty, right,
she come down a three on, turned your last through
your legs note in the busket and then you're running
down the court and kind of almost doing the three,
but as a pass, you know, and they lay it
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in or they don't it. So I had done that
in the first round. So here we are in the
semi finals and I jump in the air and throw
it over my head. It was one of my favorite
pasts I ever. Threw it to my boy David Laasarian,
who played for Archi at Pepperdine, and he lays it in,
and I remember watching the tape of my dad. My
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dad's like, how many assists did you get for that one?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
H huh?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He's like, no, how many? How many assists did they
give you for that one? I was like, what are
you talking about? Did they give you like one? He's like, okay,
so they give you one for that one, and then
the same number if you just make a no look
chess pass right, He's like so and then the other
here's here's go ahead. But it doesn't it's not as cool.
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It doesn't have Laura.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It doesn't have aura, and okay, that's kind of like
joking about it, but I'm here's what I'm being serious about.
Like if my if my player, if I have you know,
Doug Gottlieb on my team and he's that good of
a passer and he makes that pass. The traditional question
is how many assists do you give for that? Right?
Like your dad said, what I would say is, hey,
I'd say nothing, you'd come back to the huddle. I'd
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say nothing to you, because I think it's actually like
one point five. It's like a game boost because now
everybody sees it on your team, the confidence level it
takes to make that pass instead of the simple one
we get a lay up. The crowds now involved the
kid who's semi confidence shooting threes on the next possession
on your team up, fake sidestep, one, dribble three, because
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he's just rolling off the momentum that you just created.
So I think it's like one point five assists is
what I would have told them. It's like a it's
like a.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Multi I agree, I agree, you can you can kill.
And then it reminds me of like John McCleod. He
he used to say, like, no one hand passes, and
then by the end of my freshman year, Yeah, he
was like that doesn't apply to you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I like, no shit, right now?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right was there was there a like everybody has the
freshman moment? Of like what the fuck did I do?
But was there a this is not a great fit moment?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Early? I would say I would say when we opened
up our first like week of official practices and we
got three hours a day on the floor and we
did three and a half hours of defense, I was like,
uh oh, like this is real. I've never been known
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as this, And I really started to think back, like why, okay,
why did you make the decision to come here? And
I tell people this now, but I think at that
time I started reflecting, like shit, I might have made
the wrong decision based on pride, and like pride alone.
You know, everybody was like he's five to ten, you know,
unathletic white kid, Like he's not playing an NBA. Let's
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all get over ourselves here. And the big thing would
be like you can't guard anybody. So what I did
was allowed all that outside noise to be like, I'll
go play for the best defensive coach in the country.
How about that, and then we'll figure out if I
can guard. Well, the answer is no, like I couldn't
guard to his level, right, And that's when I really
started to think, like I probably made the wrong decision.
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We were just so defensive oriented, and what was being
asked of you as a defender took like incredible just
motor stamina, athleticism, laterally just stuff I didn't have. And like, truthfully,
if you're being honest, like you can make a kid
a better defender, and effort can really kind of take
a step on defense. But once you get him at
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eighteen or nineteen, defensively, they kind of are what they are, right,
you can just now increase the effort.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Ish disagree. I'm a disagree from the standpoint of and like, look,
you and I had a healthy disagreement over diet, you know,
and some of this stuff is about what I know.
I think in training you can you can really change
your body. You can really change your body, you know.
It's like the story you asked the Saint Mary's guys
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about Delhi, And I remember I did a I did
their kickoff dinner or whatever. I am seated and it
was right after Patty Mills had left, and I was like,
Omar Stanahan was their best player. And I remember asking
Randy Bennett like who's your who's your who's your next,
like next Australian He's like that guy, and Delhi had thick,
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fucking hairy legs and like looked unathletic as shit, and
he was his freshman year and then they basically told
him like, look, your future is going to be based
upon can you move louderly? And he became like a
slide board king. So I agree with you on some level, like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's hard to make.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Kids tough that aren't tough, guys that don't guard, they
don't just start to guard. But I do think that
if if the effort and toughness is there, I think
you can change somebody's body somewhat. Right, You're not gonna
make somebody a freak.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think you change it somewhat, but it takes time
and now we have no patience for it. And then
the other part to it, and I think this is
the real thing is coaches you have to do a
really good job of not putting a kid in a
box and saying this is who you are and who
you're always going to be. You know, that's a really
hard one, which is like, well, because a lot of
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guys come in and oftentimes they don't do shit, but
you can rewire them some and you can get them.
And again it's a process, and just the question is
how long do you have them in the process.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
How good were you your guys freshman year as a.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Team really bad. We were horrible and it blew up.
We had guys kicked off the team. It was just
a complete light disaster. And this is coming off multiple
sweet sixteens. I believe you have multiple from Javon Carter
da Smiles, that area, that area, that era of press
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Virginia basketball, and then we were horrible. It was my
first year and I'm like, ah, ship like not good, right,
but yeah, we were bad.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Who started?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
James Beatle Bolden started at point guard, really shifty, fast
guard out of Kentucky. Who else? Did we have Isa
Mode from Ohio? Really skilled, you know, kind of power
forward still playing now, Wes Harris was playing. I believe
Segma Cannat was was playing, and then you know, I
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think he got got injured. So SAgs was there, and
I forget who was kind of starting on the wing.
But yeah, we just kind of had a complete collapse
that year.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Did you see Kevin?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Truthfully, I didn't know what to expect him, Like I
you know, I saw practices and they were hectic and
crazy and like there's you know, guys fighting and and
you know, coaches going back. But I thought that was
pretty I had never been around this level of basketball, right,
I'll tell you what though, it was different. I had
never been on a losing basketball team before, and we
were a losing team, so learned a ton and then
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you know, guys get kicked off the team. I don't
play for the first like seven, eight, maybe nine games,
and then guys get kicked off the team. And I
finished the year like the last eight games, I'm starting
and playing like, you know, twenty five thirty plus minutes
in the Big Twelve. I thought I played well, Like
I mean, I can go back maybe once again. My
memory's fading, but those last eight games, statistically, I felt
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like I was you know, I felt like I was proven,
at least in terms of being able to play at
that level and have a positive impact on the game.
That's what I thought. Then Duce McBride shows up to
campus and everything changes that way from my career.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Did he show up in the spring or did he
show up in the summer?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Is show uping the fall?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Uh? He showed up in the like spring summer? I
think I think summer June June.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
He got there, So you get done, You get done
with your freshman year. Did you guys have exited interviews
did you talk about.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Not really, you knew where you were at with hugs,
you know what I'm saying. Like there was there was
kind of an exit interview every day after practice. You
knew where you stood, whether you were in the doghouse,
whether you know, he loved it. He loved everybody right,
even guys who didn't always deserve it. He loved him
like he brought those guys in. He brought us guys
in and unconditionally loved us. Didn't always look like love,
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but he did. But yeah, no exit interviews. We roll
right in the year two. I have a small like
knee operation, nothing crazy, and I think I'm going to
hit the ground running off the last eight games.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So there was no talk of like, hey, I'm a transfer,
I'm to get the fuck.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Out of here.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No, not after, not after my freshman year. I was,
you know, coming off a year where I'm like, all right,
everything went to shit and somehow I got an opportunity
and I think I did really well with it. So
now we're rolling. That's what That's what the mindset I'm
in extremely comp in At this point.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Deduce McBride gets there and like, what's what's that like
when you go out, like first day you're working out
and you see this other dude Who're like, ooh, he's
really good.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah. I noticed when we went to Spain, because we
went to Spain that year in the summertime, and he
played phenomenally. And I'm like, there's no like real holes
in this kid's game at all. And he's a freshman.
And I looked at he's like, wasn't recruited out of
high school? Really, he was kind of highly recruited. And
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then he got hurt, broke his foot, whatever. And it
wasn't until and I tell this story a lot, Deuce
McBride watched me have to be the hardest worker in
our program once again, being the undersized white guy you
got you have to be if you want to play,
you're the hardest worker. It's not freaking close. He came
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in and if I worked out at six, by week two,
he was working out at five point thirty. I'm like,
all right, well he's in here before me. That's impressive.
Good for him, But you know, I'm gonna keep working
out at six, and then I'd show up to practice.
Remember these are three hour practices. He'd show up if
we went one to four at twelve, and he would
shoot at high speeds, like almost game speed shooting. I'm like,
(25:20):
he's gonna kill him. It is bad and he's gonna
just fall off a cliff, and he didn't. He went
all the way through practice, and then I walked to
the ice tub and I'm just gassed. He stays and
he shoots for another half hour once again game speed,
hitting pads, like working on contact finishing. I'm like, this
dude's insane. Whatever. So then I go home and I
(25:40):
play Fortnite. I got a girlfriend and I'm cozy. I'm
going to sleep right and I wake up in the
morning and Deuce is finishing his workout once again at
like six, you know, six fifteen, and the managers are
dead tired, and they're normally not these managers at the
big twelve level. They run on straight caffeine and they're
good to go and they're gass. I'm like, what's the
(26:03):
deal with you guys? Like long night party whatever, and
they're like no. Like Duce came back at nine and
worked out till ten and I'm like, that's not sustainable,
and I would fight internally like there's no way he's
going to keep doing it, and he did. Duce McBride
is the hardest worker I've ever been around in my
entire life. We talked about a dude who's in crazy shape.
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He demolished us. Since sprints, you could watch just win
sprints and know who the best player in the gym was.
Branfordschilla came in and watched one practice and was like, Yeah,
this kid as a freshman, this is their next guy
at West Virginia. So I knew like he would right
fit at West Virginia, you know perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well pause there, Okay, that's part two of Jordan mckab
we gotta do. We gotta do a podcast too on
how we built our schedule. I think that shit would
be really interesting for people, right, Like I just I
think that's what to provide is not just insight into
who we are, but also kind of what we go
through on a on a daily basis. It is interesting though,
(27:08):
right because a little teaser as to our schedule, which
is kind of leaking out. West Regina did call and
we're like, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, I think the way it happened was we were
trying to find dames that had guarantee money attached to it.
And I was just coming from West Virginia called our
dobo and I said to you, like, hey, I called
West Virginia and you're like, I don't know, I'm good.
So so yeah, scheduling is uh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Gonna wait till I'm wait till coaches son graduates. I
know they'll probably be like this is this is the
real thing. It's like you try and let's just we'll
just have this this part of the conversation, which is like, look,
you realize when you're in our position, we got the
job late. Yeah, we have a ton of inexperience. So
you're trying to go like, okay, you got to play
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guarantee games. You have to have a for it. And
the purpose can't just be to collective check, right, because
you wanted to collect a check, like you know who
to call Yukon, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky. They'll give you the
biggest check and they will give you the biggest ass
whooping of your life. Right And so, my so I
do like the idea. Obviously, if you look at our guarantees,
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one to three of the four big bye games are
guys in the first year at their program, right, because
I have respect for all those dudes, But I also
know that first years, just like ours, like you're still
kind of trying to figure it out and ruling the season,
like might not be as bad when like you catch
(28:43):
if I catch Steve Lutz at Oklahoma State and year three,
that shit's going to get ugly, right, Like, they're going
to be good. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So the West Virginia thing was a little bit of
a violation.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But also I we had known who they had a
little bit and we're like, yeah, and you know, Tucker
coming over with his dad, like he's really good. Just
and I do think like, and I know that people
will say the opposite because we're playing Oklhoma State.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
There's actually no ego involved in that one.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
That was the big thing, Like, I don't want to
play one just to say f you and go play
somebody who we think, you know, we could bet with
that one. I just thought it was cool thing for
a first time head coach, you know, to go and
play against mild and matter and then Oh yeah. By
the way, my daughter goes to school there, so I'll
good to see her. Albeit we still having to term
without Harper's gonna or orange or green. I'm pretty sure
it's gonna be orange. Hayes. We got to get him
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green because he spent way too much time up here.
But he shared with me last night that he like,
he doesn't actually like orange that much, so I'm selling
him out. I love it anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Uh so we'll do that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So part three will do schedule, and we'll do year
two years and then get to year three, year four
and then everything else coming up. Is that cool?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Sounds great?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
All right, so you thought you'd just come and have
a meeting to day?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
That's it for this edition of All Ball.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Check out The Doug Gotlieb Show every day three to
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for Jordan mcab I'm Doug gotlib This is All Ball.
Hey want to welcome in. I'm Doug Gottie.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is all fall got a lot to get you
in this All Ball episode, including my lasting thoughts on
USA basketball and I just I don't know. Let's you
know what, Let's let's cut to the chase. Let's welcome
in my assistant coach, my man man, Jordan McCabe, Part
two of of J five and the dissertation of his
(00:31):
life that you can you recall a championship game where
a dude hits four threes to win the game.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I cannot. I cannot, but I can tell you are
our financial guy down the hall, Steve Millard definitely could.
He's he's a data analytical genius. But I can't. I
don't have that in the roller decks. That was incredible.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
What like as a what what amazes you about?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think because what happens is what happens to a
lot of people is they don't know how to contextualize stuff, right,
And it's really hard to contextualize stuff, even for those
of us who've kind of lived our whole life in basketball.
But everybody has something different inside basketball that impresses you
about Steph, what is it for you?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
We could do an entire episode on the things I
love about Steph Curry. No, just that topic itself right now.
My fiance can attest to this. She's also asked me, like,
you love me right, like more than you love Steph Curry.
She's asked that before. It's been a question in our household.
I watched everything, all the documentaries, everything right, just love
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him as a human being and a basketball player. But
I think what impresses me the most is the still shot,
and I think somebody else I don't want to take
credit for it, but the still shot of him shooting
it over Dolbert and the other guy from France, and
from one angle, the picture shows Lebron and KD hands ready,
(02:06):
shot ready, nobody else within the frame, and Steph's fading
back to the sideline, the only player maybe in the
history of basketball, to where they're like, yeah, you know,
that's a good shot, especially when those two guys are
standing on the left wing wide open. But I mean,
other than that, Steph Curry just as a human being,
that's what That's what I love so much. I don't
(02:28):
think you can radiate more confidence. I know, aura like
aura is a big thing in my generation. Right now,
everybody talks about or is that a Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. There's a lot of different levels.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
He's hitting me with that last night and he's like, Dad,
I think you have you have positive aura.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
That's good, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Do, I have negative What is negative aura?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He's like, Oh, that's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You don't want that. That's like that's like, uh, I
think swag is another another Like, you know, I think
Coach Archibald would just be like he's got swag, which
would translate directly to he's got some good aura about him.
You know, he just walks like he's got his stuff together. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think it's it's really weird you brought that word
aura because it's literally was that. We were driving to uh,
you know, our favorite place to Aaron Duck last night
and they were discussing aura and I was like.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What's or is like a dad?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Or is everything?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Aura?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Aura's everything? And for him he's starting to enter into
the dating game, it's huge for him. Hayes has to
have big time aura when he walks into school in Oklahoma. Yeah,
on Thursday, he's got to walk in with you can't
think about it either or you just got it or
you don't. And he's got it. He's got to just
let it happen.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, well he does, I said. But that's why I
said it, Like, you can't force it, no, you when you, uh, when.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You try too hard, it just kind of back by.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It's a lot like golf, you know, like when you
swing too hard that that sucker is going right, you know, yep,
I think the thing that and you know, like Twitter
freaked out because he was he wasn't playing well in
the second half.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It felt like he was a little out of it.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I was just sitting there and this is a
real hard thing, you know, when we start coaching our guys,
is like, at what point, no matter how much faith
you having, a kid like you go like this is
not his night tonight, you know?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Or do you?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And And I think I wonder if anyone other than
Steve Kerr was the coach, if they would have left
him in the game. I mean probably probably because of
Steph Curry, probably, but I can't say definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Right, No, I think somebody somebody else would have buckled.
And it's funny because it's like Steph's entire career, right,
Like you look back all the way to Davidson in
his first game against Michigan when he did struggle, Like,
there is no quicker way to, you know, just just
kill somebody's confidence. Then as soon as they struggle or
make a mistakes, yank them out of the game. Now
(05:06):
there's a caveat to that. And it's like, if the
kid doesn't work hard and he's not Steph Curry level
character and competitiveness, then you don't get that same leash.
And if you mess up, I'm probably yanking you. But
Steph Curry has just built up this equity among like
the entire basketball community. I don't know. I think even
if it wasn't Steve Curry stays in the game.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's I think that's the hardest thing that I am.
I'm working through is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I completely understand as to you, and I think this
is where from my generation towards yours how important confidence is.
And you know what happened, you know when I was
in school was everybody was about breaking people down and
building the back.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Up, right, And the couple issues with that are.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You can break a guy down and you don't get
him back. And then now you don't have him long enough, right,
like he used to You do that as a freshman
and then you know, you go kind of grow through it.
You don't have them long enough. The big thing is
like just kids, and I don't know necessarily if it's fragility,
but yeah, I mean we look you and I we
know we have a couple of kids like that now
that you're just like they come to us as almost
(06:15):
like and forgive the term if people are offended by it,
but almost like batter women, where they're just they're just
so hesitant to try things because they have no personal
self confidence.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Right, and it really it really limits them, so.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They start to overthink everything. Right. You see this a
lot in college basketball now. And I can speak on
this because I feel like I was one of them
and I'm not the victim, like whatever, I made the
wrong choice and style of play. We've talked about it,
but once I left West Virginia, I can honestly say say,
without a shadow of a doubt, I was no longer
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the same player from a confidence level that I was
going in. And I don't think that's a surprise. Everybody
watching it could see it. No big deal, But there
is that thing. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah so, And I think you have to manage each
kid because some kids you can pull them out whenever,
and they don't. It doesn't bother them at all. Right,
some kids you can motherfuck them up and down and
they nothing, nothing changes, nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Affects step Right, let's go back to your story.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And by the way, can I tell you that the
thing that the confidence thing, is what impressing me about Steph.
But the other part too, It is he's in such
unbelievable shape, unbelievable shape.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's one of the craziest things in your It's great
because nobody talks about it enough, Like A, can't imagine
having a guard that dude. And B when I started
to like really fall in love with him was when
I went to his camp. I got selected to go
to Steph Curry's camp, which is funny because I was
an alternate. Some kid got sick. I was in northern
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Wisconsin with all my uncles and family having a good
old Wisconsin time by a bonfire. I get a call saying, Hey,
You're going to San Frand tomorrow. I'm in the middle
of absolute nowhere. Got to get to an airport, go
out to Steph Curry's camp, I get lucky enough to
perform well, and then I'm staying a day after and
my coach, Mike Weinstein, who you know knows Brandon Payne,
(08:16):
Steph's trainer. The day after camp, I asked, can I
please work out with Steph? And that's what I picked up.
The dude was in the craziest shape I've ever experienced
in my entire life, and I could not keep up
in you know, in the slightest it was wild. Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
The other guy who's like that, honestly is Lebron Right, Like,
it's I feel like the one thing that yeah, again
it gets doesn't get discussed enough about. Like all of
these things are only possible because those two dudes are
in ridiculous to good shape and different, right, Like Steph's
(08:56):
is part of it is you know, he's constantly in motion,
but he also he's taken a little bit of a
beating because guys were super physical with him, right, and
you know he has the ball, he doesn't have the ball.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
He's never really stopping.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And then you know, as much as you want to
catch your breath on defense, know that people are coming
at him for Lebron he's just a gigantic human being
and to be able to move that body at this age,
even though he really has a good economy of movement,
Like you watch him defensively, he's smart. He's not very
good defensively anymore, but he knows where to be and
(09:28):
when to extend his energy. But I just I am
a bit of a conditioning fanatic, and those two are
not only two of the all time great players, but
to the all time great like physical specimens from a
conditioning conditioning standpoint. But I thought the other part too,
which is really cool, was like here you have the
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end of a gold medal game, and I think Lebron knows,
like I can't get my own shot really anymore, like anything.
But even Durant had a layup and he kicked out,
Like they were all going like this is like STEP's
gonna end the ship for us. Like that was crazy
to see all of those guys drive in or give
it right back to him and let him end the thing.
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And then he sure enough did that.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right there is the definition of aura for any generation
out there that doesn't understand aura. That's aura right there. There.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
You go, positive aura, positive positive.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, so you get to West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What was your what are your initial memories of getting
to West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This place is fun as hell. This is the most
fun place on earth. Morgantown, West Virginia. If you are
you know, eighteen nineteen years old, the most fun place
you can be. Man, the people are great. It's like
I grew up in Wisconsin. I bounced around, though I
lived in Seattle for a little bit or just on
the east side of it. I lived in North Augusta,
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and we moved around, but I was pretty much raised
in a small town. And then to go to Morgantown,
it just felt like a small town plus sixty thousand,
you know, sports crazed undergrads and it was the most
fun ever. Our team, you know, got there in the summertime,
like we do. We get there in June and we
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get rolling. You're kind of the only people on campus.
And the people in Morgantown are amazing, like in terms
of how they treat you as an athlete. You'll walk
through Kroger and they'll stop you and they're you know,
their kids decked out mountaineer gear because they say it
all the time. You're the West Virginia Lakers. There's only
us in that state, right, the Mountaineers. Excuse me, Marshall,
(11:45):
I'm sorry, different conversation, but it's really only West Virginia,
and they'll stop being Kroger. They're taking pictures with their kids.
It was an amazing just welcoming from the people. That
town is different.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Alright, what about the basketbrook On?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Was that like.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Basketball part of it was the hardest thing I've ever done.
I was just telling one of our guys, actually, like
the hardest thing I've ever done physically and mentally was
playing for Bob Huggins. And that's a tremendous compliment because
what he does is he does prepare young men for life.
I think that's what Bob Huggins does better than maybe
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anybody else. Very cut from the same cloth as Bob Knight.
I think a lot of his his players would say
the same. Some would it, some most would right, Eddie
Sutton sing sing Eddie Sutton, the same thing. Right.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So, by the way Mike Holts to produces this, here
is just a time and he went.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
To Marshall, not the guy you want to talk shit
on is the producer. He can make you look better.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
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Speaker 1 (13:05):
As a fresh street what's your first bake?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Okay, this this Bob Huggins moment.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I got trapped there. We were working on a one
to three one and a half court. I got trapped
on the on the top left corner and I ball
faked across the floor and I saw my shooter running baseline,
the baseline to my same side, So I ball faked
across the floor through a behind the back pass, behind
the back pass down the sideline, one dribble into my
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shooter's pocket. He shot it and before the ball was
in the air, I heard Hugs scream stop stop, stop stop.
I thought it was a great pass and maybe my
memory is failing me. Maybe it went out of bounce.
I'm pretty sure I hit the shooter in the pocket
and he cussed me up and down, was like, we're
not starting this ship right now. He knew what was
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going to go on, like he wanted to get me
into what he wanted from a point guard. And that's
what a coach, you know, a coach will do. That
was one of my first experiences like, okay, a little
bit different than high school. Don't have the leeway in
the least that I did have to build equity. And
that's just hitting singles, which I was like terrified of
because my whole career everybody told me hit singles, hit singles,
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and to be honest, I was like, oh that I'm not.
I'm going for a grand sla.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
My dad's thing.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
My dad's thing. I was, uh, I'll never forget. It's
played about the singles. I played in the CIF semi
finals against Stan Margarita High School. We played it Edison
High School and hunting the beach, and I had done
i think the previous year and that year in the
first round of yeah, like we were a top seed,
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so I had thrown up between the legs past both years.
So it's kind of my thing, like you can you
can kind of clown these dudes because you win by forty, right,
she come down a three on, turned your last through
your legs note in the busket and then you're running
down the court and kind of almost doing the three,
but as a pass, you know, and they lay it
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in or they don't it. So I had done that
in the first round. So here we are in the
semi finals and I jump in the air and throw
it over my head. It was one of my favorite
pasts I ever. Threw it to my boy David Laasarian,
who played for Archi at Pepperdine, and he lays it in,
and I remember watching the tape of my dad. My
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dad's like, how many assists did you get for that one?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
H huh?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
He's like, no, how many? How many assists did they
give you for that one? I was like, what are
you talking about? Did they give you like one? He's like, okay,
so they give you one for that one, and then
the same number if you just make a no look
chess pass right, He's like so and then the other
here's here's go ahead. But it doesn't it's not as cool.
(15:55):
It doesn't have Laura.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It doesn't have aura, and okay, that's kind of like
joking about it, but I'm here's what I'm being serious about.
Like if my if my player, if I have you know,
Doug Gottlieb on my team and he's that good of
a passer and he makes that pass. The traditional question
is how many assists do you give for that? Right?
Like your dad said, what I would say is, hey,
I'd say nothing, you'd come back to the huddle. I'd
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say nothing to you, because I think it's actually like
one point five. It's like a game boost because now
everybody sees it on your team, the confidence level it
takes to make that pass instead of the simple one
we get a lay up. The crowds now involved the
kid who's semi confidence shooting threes on the next possession
on your team up, fake sidestep, one, dribble three, because
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he's just rolling off the momentum that you just created.
So I think it's like one point five assists is
what I would have told them. It's like a it's
like a.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Multi I agree, I agree, you can you can kill.
And then it reminds me of like John McCleod. He
he used to say, like, no one hand passes, and
then by the end of my freshman year, Yeah, he
was like that doesn't apply to you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I like, no shit, right now?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Right was there was there a like everybody has the
freshman moment? Of like what the fuck did I do?
But was there a this is not a great fit moment?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Early? I would say I would say when we opened
up our first like week of official practices and we
got three hours a day on the floor and we
did three and a half hours of defense, I was like,
uh oh, like this is real. I've never been known
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as this, And I really started to think back, like why, okay,
why did you make the decision to come here? And
I tell people this now, but I think at that
time I started reflecting, like shit, I might have made
the wrong decision based on pride, and like pride alone.
You know, everybody was like he's five to ten, you know,
unathletic white kid, Like he's not playing an NBA. Let's
(18:00):
all get over ourselves here. And the big thing would
be like you can't guard anybody. So what I did
was allowed all that outside noise to be like, I'll
go play for the best defensive coach in the country.
How about that, and then we'll figure out if I
can guard. Well, the answer is no, like I couldn't
guard to his level, right, And that's when I really
started to think, like I probably made the wrong decision.
(18:20):
We were just so defensive oriented, and what was being
asked of you as a defender took like incredible just
motor stamina, athleticism, laterally just stuff I didn't have. And like, truthfully,
if you're being honest, like you can make a kid
a better defender, and effort can really kind of take
a step on defense. But once you get him at
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eighteen or nineteen, defensively, they kind of are what they are, right,
you can just now increase the effort.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Ish disagree. I'm a disagree from the standpoint of and like, look,
you and I had a healthy disagreement over diet, you know,
and some of this stuff is about what I know.
I think in training you can you can really change
your body. You can really change your body, you know.
It's like the story you asked the Saint Mary's guys
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about Delhi, And I remember I did a I did
their kickoff dinner or whatever. I am seated and it
was right after Patty Mills had left, and I was like,
Omar Stanahan was their best player. And I remember asking
Randy Bennett like who's your who's your who's your next,
like next Australian He's like that guy, and Delhi had thick,
(19:32):
fucking hairy legs and like looked unathletic as shit, and
he was his freshman year and then they basically told
him like, look, your future is going to be based
upon can you move louderly? And he became like a
slide board king. So I agree with you on some level, like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's hard to make.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Kids tough that aren't tough, guys that don't guard, they
don't just start to guard. But I do think that
if if the effort and toughness is there, I think
you can change somebody's body somewhat. Right, You're not gonna
make somebody a freak.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think you change it somewhat, but it takes time
and now we have no patience for it. And then
the other part to it, and I think this is
the real thing is coaches you have to do a
really good job of not putting a kid in a
box and saying this is who you are and who
you're always going to be. You know, that's a really
hard one, which is like, well, because a lot of
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guys come in and oftentimes they don't do shit, but
you can rewire them some and you can get them.
And again it's a process, and just the question is
how long do you have them in the process.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
How good were you your guys freshman year as a.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Team really bad. We were horrible and it blew up.
We had guys kicked off the team. It was just
a complete light disaster. And this is coming off multiple
sweet sixteens. I believe you have multiple from Javon Carter
da Smiles, that area, that area, that era of press
(21:06):
Virginia basketball, and then we were horrible. It was my
first year and I'm like, ah, ship like not good, right,
but yeah, we were bad.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Who started?
Speaker 3 (21:16):
James Beatle Bolden started at point guard, really shifty, fast
guard out of Kentucky. Who else? Did we have Isa
Mode from Ohio? Really skilled, you know, kind of power
forward still playing now, Wes Harris was playing. I believe
Segma Cannat was was playing, and then you know, I
(21:37):
think he got got injured. So SAgs was there, and
I forget who was kind of starting on the wing.
But yeah, we just kind of had a complete collapse
that year.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Did you see Kevin?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Truthfully, I didn't know what to expect him, Like I
you know, I saw practices and they were hectic and
crazy and like there's you know, guys fighting and and
you know, coaches going back. But I thought that was
pretty I had never been around this level of basketball, right,
I'll tell you what though, it was different. I had
never been on a losing basketball team before, and we
were a losing team, so learned a ton and then
(22:15):
you know, guys get kicked off the team. I don't
play for the first like seven, eight, maybe nine games,
and then guys get kicked off the team. And I
finished the year like the last eight games, I'm starting
and playing like, you know, twenty five thirty plus minutes
in the Big Twelve. I thought I played well, Like
I mean, I can go back maybe once again. My
memory's fading, but those last eight games, statistically, I felt
(22:37):
like I was you know, I felt like I was proven,
at least in terms of being able to play at
that level and have a positive impact on the game.
That's what I thought. Then Duce McBride shows up to
campus and everything changes that way from my career.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Did he show up in the spring or did he
show up in the summer?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Is show uping the fall?
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Uh? He showed up in the like spring summer? I
think I think summer June June.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
He got there, So you get done, You get done
with your freshman year. Did you guys have exited interviews
did you talk about.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Not really, you knew where you were at with hugs,
you know what I'm saying. Like there was there was
kind of an exit interview every day after practice. You
knew where you stood, whether you were in the doghouse,
whether you know, he loved it. He loved everybody right,
even guys who didn't always deserve it. He loved him
like he brought those guys in. He brought us guys
in and unconditionally loved us. Didn't always look like love,
(23:31):
but he did. But yeah, no exit interviews. We roll
right in the year two. I have a small like
knee operation, nothing crazy, and I think I'm going to
hit the ground running off the last eight games.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So there was no talk of like, hey, I'm a transfer,
I'm to get the fuck.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Out of here.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
No, not after, not after my freshman year. I was,
you know, coming off a year where I'm like, all right,
everything went to shit and somehow I got an opportunity
and I think I did really well with it. So
now we're rolling. That's what That's what the mindset I'm
in extremely comp in At this point.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Deduce McBride gets there and like, what's what's that like
when you go out, like first day you're working out
and you see this other dude Who're like, ooh, he's
really good.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah. I noticed when we went to Spain, because we
went to Spain that year in the summertime, and he
played phenomenally. And I'm like, there's no like real holes
in this kid's game at all. And he's a freshman.
And I looked at he's like, wasn't recruited out of
high school? Really, he was kind of highly recruited. And
(24:36):
then he got hurt, broke his foot, whatever. And it
wasn't until and I tell this story a lot, Deuce
McBride watched me have to be the hardest worker in
our program once again, being the undersized white guy you
got you have to be if you want to play,
you're the hardest worker. It's not freaking close. He came
(24:57):
in and if I worked out at six, by week two,
he was working out at five point thirty. I'm like,
all right, well he's in here before me. That's impressive.
Good for him, But you know, I'm gonna keep working
out at six, and then I'd show up to practice.
Remember these are three hour practices. He'd show up if
we went one to four at twelve, and he would
shoot at high speeds, like almost game speed shooting. I'm like,
(25:20):
he's gonna kill him. It is bad and he's gonna
just fall off a cliff, and he didn't. He went
all the way through practice, and then I walked to
the ice tub and I'm just gassed. He stays and
he shoots for another half hour once again game speed,
hitting pads, like working on contact finishing. I'm like, this
dude's insane. Whatever. So then I go home and I
(25:40):
play Fortnite. I got a girlfriend and I'm cozy. I'm
going to sleep right and I wake up in the
morning and Deuce is finishing his workout once again at
like six, you know, six fifteen, and the managers are
dead tired, and they're normally not these managers at the
big twelve level. They run on straight caffeine and they're
good to go and they're gass. I'm like, what's the
(26:03):
deal with you guys? Like long night party whatever, and
they're like no. Like Duce came back at nine and
worked out till ten and I'm like, that's not sustainable,
and I would fight internally like there's no way he's
going to keep doing it, and he did. Duce McBride
is the hardest worker I've ever been around in my
entire life. We talked about a dude who's in crazy shape.
(26:23):
He demolished us. Since sprints, you could watch just win
sprints and know who the best player in the gym was.
Branfordschilla came in and watched one practice and was like, Yeah,
this kid as a freshman, this is their next guy
at West Virginia. So I knew like he would right
fit at West Virginia, you know perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well pause there, Okay, that's part two of Jordan mckab
we gotta do. We gotta do a podcast too on
how we built our schedule. I think that shit would
be really interesting for people, right, Like I just I
think that's what to provide is not just insight into
who we are, but also kind of what we go
through on a on a daily basis. It is interesting though,
(27:08):
right because a little teaser as to our schedule, which
is kind of leaking out. West Regina did call and
we're like, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, I think the way it happened was we were
trying to find dames that had guarantee money attached to it.
And I was just coming from West Virginia called our
dobo and I said to you, like, hey, I called
West Virginia and you're like, I don't know, I'm good.
So so yeah, scheduling is uh, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Gonna wait till I'm wait till coaches son graduates. I
know they'll probably be like this is this is the
real thing. It's like you try and let's just we'll
just have this this part of the conversation, which is like, look,
you realize when you're in our position, we got the
job late. Yeah, we have a ton of inexperience. So
you're trying to go like, okay, you got to play
(27:58):
guarantee games. You have to have a for it. And
the purpose can't just be to collective check, right, because
you wanted to collect a check, like you know who
to call Yukon, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky. They'll give you the
biggest check and they will give you the biggest ass
whooping of your life. Right And so, my so I
do like the idea. Obviously, if you look at our guarantees,
(28:22):
one to three of the four big bye games are
guys in the first year at their program, right, because
I have respect for all those dudes, But I also
know that first years, just like ours, like you're still
kind of trying to figure it out and ruling the season,
like might not be as bad when like you catch
(28:43):
if I catch Steve Lutz at Oklahoma State and year three,
that shit's going to get ugly, right, Like, they're going
to be good. He knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So the West Virginia thing was a little bit of
a violation.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
But also I we had known who they had a
little bit and we're like, yeah, and you know, Tucker
coming over with his dad, like he's really good. Just
and I do think like, and I know that people
will say the opposite because we're playing Oklhoma State.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
There's actually no ego involved in that one.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
That was the big thing, Like, I don't want to
play one just to say f you and go play
somebody who we think, you know, we could bet with
that one. I just thought it was cool thing for
a first time head coach, you know, to go and
play against mild and matter and then Oh yeah. By
the way, my daughter goes to school there, so I'll
good to see her. Albeit we still having to term
without Harper's gonna or orange or green. I'm pretty sure
it's gonna be orange. Hayes. We got to get him
(29:39):
green because he spent way too much time up here.
But he shared with me last night that he like,
he doesn't actually like orange that much, so I'm selling
him out. I love it anyway.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Uh so we'll do that.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So part three will do schedule, and we'll do year
two years and then get to year three, year four
and then everything else coming up. Is that cool?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Sounds great?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
All right, so you thought you'd just come and have
a meeting to day?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
That's it for this edition of All Ball.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
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