July 22, 2021 • 45 mins
On today’s episode of the 'Boys and Girl Podcast, Jane and Bobby discuss the Cowboys’ “State of the Team” address at the opening of training camp in Oxnard, CA. Follow Jane and Bobby on Twitter and subscribe to get all the latest inside information from two of the most connected people in the Cowboys’ community.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, boys and girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys, NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Belt. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
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from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. Well,
after what was a longer hiatus than Bobby Belt and
I expected it, we are back and excited to be
talking to you about training camp and I am literally
coming right off of the practice build here in Oxnard.
And Bobby we talked a lot about vaccinations today and
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vaccinations are what held you up from being my right
hand man? Yea For those wondering, yes, yeah, no, it
wasn't a decision not to get it. I'm still just
waiting on the second. I got held up logistically and
so it didn't time out right, and I'm frustrating did
but uh, you know, Jane's they're kicking ass and beautiful
mood lighting there. I don't know what you're doing with
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the lighting in that room, but it looks great. You've
really got it set up good. You know. It's my
days and local TV Bobby. For those that aren't watching
on YouTube. I've got us backlit back here and you know,
trying to do the best I can to make my
uh my hotel here in ox Nard feel like a
video set. But as I said to you, we haven't
done a podcast in awhile quite frankly, we didn't have
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a lot to talk about. I think you and I
felt the same way a lot of people felt after
last season, just sort of exhausted, uh the way we
do business, the way they do business that you know,
the countless amount of injuries and setbacks and the death
of Marcus Paul. I mean, it just seems like, and
I've said this over and over Murphy's Law, anything that
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could go wrong did, and so I think you and
I just felt like we needed to walk away a bit,
come back fresh. And today at the presser, running into
the media, Jerry Stephen, Mike McCarthy showing up with shades
and a fresh, fresh beard cut, it almost felt like
they cleaned him up for a second year, like he
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felt like he was a Dallas Cowboys head coach. So
it look, you never know what the season is gonna
look like. I mean, we were talking about this team
last year. They were poised to make a run super
Bowl winning coach Dak Prescott, this offensive line, and they've
got Ceedee Lamb and all the spoils and these all
these free agents that gave the Dallas because of Mike McCarthy,
and it blew up in their face. And I think
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I appreciate, uh, the honesty. They weren't exactly selling us
rainbows this year. I think they wanted to manage expectations.
And I think that's good. Even Jerry admitted he's naive,
he's got to be got emotional as he talked about that. Uh,
but Mike McCarthy was almost level setting when he said, look,
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it takes time to build this thing. And he did say,
and I agree. They finally have a defensive line that
matches their offensive line in terms of how big they
are and how strong they are up front. Yeah, and
that'll be one of the things I'm really interested to
see about camp. As you know, we we heard about
how much Dan Quinn and we all know this, how
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much he likes length, and that's a big thing that
they talked about leading up to the draft, and then
here in training camp, parties well have gotten so much
longer on defense, and particularly on the defensive line, And
so I just wonder how that maybe is going to
work for a guy who's a little bit of a
shorter player and who struggled last year like Neville Gallimore,
Like as Nevill Gallimore, a guy that's going to be
on the bubble even though he's a you know, two
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years removed from being a third round pick or a
year removed from being a third round pick. Um, he
wasn't necessarily dan Quinn's pick, and he doesn't necessarily fit
dan Quinn's measurables. And and how does Tristan Hill fit
into this? And H Bradley and I a guy who
um a lot of fans were excited to see last year,
who got picked in the fifth round and was somebody
that people thought could impact the game. He's on the
smaller side. So I just wonder how some of these
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smaller defensive lineman if they're gonna survive this camp with
dan Quinn. But uh, there there were certainly was a
lot that they touched on. And you know, specifically when
we talk about the changes on defense, Stephen even acknowledging
at one point saying that you know this is you'd
be naive to say it was just injuries, and and
you can't just say it was injuries last year, otherwise
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you wouldn't have make changes to the defensive coaching staff
and basically drafted it and you know, all defensive players.
So I thought it was a you know, at times
an optimistic press conference, as Jerry tends to be. But
I mean I feel like it was a much more
sobering and realistic one with Mike McCarthy talking about last
year we was really difficult, and uh, you know, everybody's
talking about the challenges that they faced, and so I
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do think that there was a lot more realism at
this year's State of the Union address than there typically
is from the Cowboys. And there has to be, right
when you go six and ten, uh, and you've had
the myriad amount of injuries, and you had this new
coach that you're supposed to win in spite of these things.
I mean, we certainly saw teams to do it last
year when you look at Cleveland, when you look at
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you know, even the Saints times when they didn't have
Drew Brees and they had to put in you know,
Taysom Hill. And so when I look at some of
those other teams, I don't think they're necessarily looking for excuses,
which I appreciate. Uh, you know, I asked, so, you know,
I kind of touched with Mike McCarthy on you know,
he said, you know, we reached a lot of the
targets that we were looking for. When I asked him
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to explain what those targets were, Bobby, you know, we
talked about the buy in of this team, this buy
in this offseason and having those guys there, and he
said some of his targets were, you know, participation, and
he said, the last five weeks, since they broke many
camps and o t a s, the buying has been incredible. Uh.
They did a significantly better job virtually, it felt like,
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and even Mike McCarthy admitted at points last year it
was something he absolutely hated. And so I think when
you were trying to change that defensive scheme, a lot
of the players, we heard Laton vander Esch say it
h during many camps and tis. It wasn't that the
scheme was hard, it was implementing the scheme and even
they said they tried to do too much too soon
on that front. Mike McCarthy all touched on the fact
that they were able to get in all of their installs,
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and I couldn't figure out if he's I want to say,
said virtually all eighty installs? Does that make sense? Is
that I don't remember that reference specifically. I'd have to
go back and listen to it. But I mean, I
was like, are we talking eight or eight? Here? Here's
the thing. As much as we always used to complain
about Jason Garrett being KG and like short on details,
Mike McCarthy has taken that to a whole new level.
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So I'm not certain that even whatever he said, even
if we could go back and listen to exactly it said,
it probably wouldn't make a ton of sense. And I
think that's on purpose. Well listen, I do think you know,
when I talked to some of these other teams that
didn't have you know, the total buying for some of
the O T A s. You know, I was even questioning, Okay,
you're getting the opportunity to get back around each other,
why not sees it? Well? The Cowboys certainly did. I mean,
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we talked to a a lot of these players and I
had asked at one point did anyone push back? And
I was told the participation was everyone was on board.
They're trying to build something here, and as a result
of that, I was told training camp is going to
be about reviewing those installs. It's going to be about
game management, you know is Mike McCarthy said, In a
lot of ways, this feels like the first year and
will certainly be that way for guys like Ceedee Lamb
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who didn't get to come to training camp in Oxnard
and have the experience that say, the rookies like Micah
Parsons and those guys will. So we said, those are
gonna be the things that they're gonna focus on. And
then the biggest thing I thought that stood out to me,
he said, even with the young quarterback when you had
Aaron Rodgers, was situational football and also the fact that
they needed to work on complimentary, complimentary football. They weren't
playing that last year, so I got the sense that
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it was a tough season for Mike McCarthy. But they
went back to the drawing board pretty quick. They made
immediate and swift changes on defense. We talked about this
when the season was over. I can't remember a time
where they literally said goodbye to defensive coordinator or an
offensive coordinator for that matter, after one season, they might
have been demoted. I mean, you and I kicked around
Mondie Kiffin, but we haven't seen them say goodbye. And
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the thing that stood out the most to meet about
dan quinn hiring. You don't have to ask these players
to tell you about dan Quinn. They tell you about
dan Quinn. There seems to be a genuine excitement around
what he is bringing to the table, the way that
he gets these guys going, the way he gets them
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to buy in, moving guys like Late and Vanderess, who
seemed hyper excited about the fact that he's moving back
to that will position that he felt more natural that
the fact that you've got a guy like Micah Parsons
who we might see involved in some of the pass
rush um and then seeing guys like George Edwards working
out with the linebackers more when I talked to Harrison
Smith that Pro Bowl about George Edwards, those guys felt
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his loss, and if you looked at the defense last year,
they felt lost without George Edwards. So I think there's
some signs of life. But I'm gonna be like Jerry
and Mike McCarthy and Steven here I'm going to manage
my expectations because even if they were to make a run,
there's still that team in the NFC Seal who didn't
lose one piece. They just added through the draft, and
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that's Tom Brady and of Bucks, and you're gonna have
to get through them. As long as Tom Brady sides
to keep playing football, you're gonna have to get through
them in week one, right out of the gate. You're
gonna have to a test yourself against the I do
think it's funny you kind of reference this. There was
the you know, Mike McCarthy talking about, well, this is
kind of like year one actually, because you know we're
doing all the virtual stuff. This is kind of the
first year for us to do this. And you know,
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he made the point and saying like, well, you know,
when we get out there to those practices, I don't
expect them to look perfect. It's almost like there's kind
of this little couching like McCarthy saying like, hey, y'all
need to just forget about last year. I deserve I
should get a reset over here. I thought that was funny.
I don't know if i'd say damage control, but I
do think that he was owning up to there were
a lot of challenges for me through that way of
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of of operating and that way of coaching, and this
is more You're going to finally see me like the
way I can coach is through this way. This isn't
the way that I do. And so I do feel
like Mike McCarthy took this as an opportunity, which this
is only the what third or fourth time he's sat
in front of the media face to face ace I mean,
I mean, it's not been many times. So I feel
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like this was his chance to kind of speak directly
to some of the criticism that came last year and
not you know, totally brush it off, but say, look,
those are different circumstances. I think you need to judge
me now based off of how I coach, and in
this setting here, I'm hoping he gives me a reset
today to uh, you know, I had asked him about
a postmortem with Ezekie Elliott given last season, you know,
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and he didn't like post more m he wanted me
to use exit interviews. So here's what I'll give Mike
McCarthy on his exit interview after last season. I do
believe you've got to give him another year to give
a full analysis of what he is capable of. Of course,
he's got Green Bay staring at him in the back.
That didn't end well. Last year was a disaster. I mean,
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it was a disaster anyway you want to look at it. Um.
But I do think like jobs that I've had, you know,
when I joined Longhorn Network, I started after this season
had already gotten underway, and it's like, you think you
know what you're getting into at ESPN, and I went
up there for rookie Minicamp and it was so exciting,
but no one really told me what I was expecting
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from what I had done on the sidelines locally to
what's expected at that level. And it wasn't my best season.
In fact, at the end of that season, I'll never forget.
We had a consultant at ESPN that came in and
questioned whether I even knew sports sort of guy. And
the consultant was from Dallas and said he was shocked
when he was asked to come in and talk with
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me about my sports knowledge because he listened to my
sports talk show when I was in Dallas, and so
I had a little bit of a chip on my
shoulder after that year, and so I just felt like,
you know, I'm gonna give him them an the doubt.
He deserves a reset, and he's added you know, some
other piece you bought Scott McCarley with them from the
Green Bay Packers to help with the linebacker group. And
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ran into Ben Macado. Today. Every wants to know what beca.
How's his hair these days? He's he's trimmed up. At
the first I didn't recognize Hi, Bobby. He'd is he
still have the light like the parted down the middle look?
Or he looked clean. He looked like he had just
gotten done working out. And it's my understanding he's going
to help Mike out, you know, with the offense and
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being an extra set of eyes, so to speak. Um,
we didn't get into any real football talk, but he
did remind me that these two have worked together in
several spots and so you know, Mike, I think, is
finally getting a team around him because he keep in mind,
he had a lot of staff holdover, at least a
few guys from Jason Garrett's. But he's slowly but surely
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can bring in more guys around him, and I think
this draft was a lot more reflective of both what
he and Dan quinn want from this roster. Yeah, and
I you know, you just hope that and this is
not something that we can do. You know, you've got
to give him a fair chance, but you just hope
that these the Ben McAdoo type of higher, the Scott
McCarley higher where it's it's not something where a lot
of people were critical of the Mike Nolan higher, where
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it's you went out and hired your buddy and you
didn't get the best man for the job. And and
so I think that it's fair to wonder if you know,
Ben McAdoo is somebody that can come in and help
and and be helpers. It an issue of surrounding with yesman,
And I think that it's fair to ask that of
Mike McCarthy as are you actually putting the right people
in place or are you doing favors where you out
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of the league for that gap and you lost too
much time to know who are the good up and
coming coaches that you can go out there and hire.
Um Ben mcabew obviously somebody who was a you know,
desired coach at one point and was hired by the
Giants to be a head coach, so he's got a
track record as a good assistant. Um, you just hope
that they don't make the same sort of mistakes that
they did with Mike Nolan lest year. And I think
that Mike McCarthy even kind of tacitly acknowledged today that
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you know, we had to make some changes in the
coaching staff and Mike Nolan's a good friend of his,
somebody who gave him a job when he was a
head coach, and so UM, I think that it's it's
big that Mike McCarthy was able to recognize that, and
you hope that he's going forward with that same sort
of mindset about these other hires. And let's be honest, Well,
I haven't impact everything that I was told about, Uh
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what happened last season. There were a lot of players
to blame too, for a lot of like locker room fighting.
I think it it hurt they weren't able to build
the chemistry that they typically will you know at camp
or participating in O t s and training camp. You've
got a new staff, so there's gonna be teacher's pets
for the guys that have brought them in. And when
you've got a nuke list in in Dallas that a
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lot of them are homegrown, they typically don't bring in
a lot of impactful outside free agents. I think it
was all just trying to do too much. Again, I've
equated this to like the pH balance in the pool.
It just was off. So I think for Cowboy fans,
for those of us in the media, you know, we're
looking forward to you know, hitting the reset button. And
for Jerry being one of five teams that decided to
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take you know, this show on the road and go
to training camp, it comes with scrutiny, it comes with challenges. Uh,
we've even been told like things are going to evolve
as we're here. The way we operate here is so different. Um.
But kudos to Jerry because I gotta tell. And when
we did the pressor with Dak Prescott, Jerry Jones and
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the Cowboys were one of the first to put the
media altogether, albeit socially distanced, in a room for that presser.
And it was then that he told us he's going
to train a camp. We're gonna have fans in the
stands this year, And I I loved the optimism and
I've seen him, you know, we've talked about this for
Starr in Frisco. It was an idea that he had
and from idea to conception took him three years. I
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mean he's almost like Walt Disney in that sense, like
he's a true imagineer. And when I used to have
him on the fan on one on one oh three,
you know, he talked about, you know, having a notepad
by his bed at night in his truck, like the
guy is always thinking moving, what can we do next?
And so love him or hate him? I know so
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many fans today when he said I would do anything,
you know, to win a Super Bowl, and I believe
that short of naming a GM something that he has
not done since he has been the owner of this team,
this is a guy that wants to win. This is
a guy that's hyper focused on winning a super Bowl
and bringing the championship back to Dallas. I think that's
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something you have to respect about Derry. Yeah. And I
think one benefit that they have heading into this year
that isn't talked about. You know, David Hellman had a
tweet today that I don't remember the exact specifics of.
Everybody said no DAK contract question. Nothing else. This is
about the most boring state of the union we've ever
walked into and in a long time. And when you
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think back on it, you know, there was the DAK
question heading into last year, like Dave references, there was
the Zeke holdout heading into the off seat or the
training camp before that, Um, there's been questions about you know,
you know, was the first UH training camp without Dez
Bryant and and des had you know, tweeted out some
stuff that then Travis Frederick and Shawn Lee were having
to answer after like the first practice, and that was
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when the Steven Jones quote got a little taken out
of context from the serious x M interview. And so
you go into all these things, or you have the
all these issues that have been going on heading into
these off seasons or heading into these training camps, that
this they do have the benefit of the least amount
of questions they've ever faced heading into camp. I feel
it in terms of off the field questions or peripheral issues,
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there there is no head coaching question in terms of
new guy in here or is this guy getting fired?
I don't think anybody feels like McCarthy's on the hot
seat the way Garrett was heading into his last couple
of training camps. UM, And there's none of these lingering
contract questions anymore. They've pretty much got everybody sewn up
that they need to and so this is the first
camp that can kind of I disagree. It's almost like
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we've gotten so greedy here in Dallas that you need
those flashy headlines. But I feel like there's more questions
than answers heading into the season. Do they have the
right head coach in Mike McCarthy. I absolutely believe they've
given him all the staff that they want around him,
all these extra consultants that we haven't typically seen with
other head coaches. UM. I feel like they protect him
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in a lot of ways last year. They didn't throw
him under the bus. Um. When we look at this
draft and some of the players and the departure system,
the free agents, that's also got his footprint on it.
So that's one question I had. My other question is
what's the future look like for Late and Vanderess and
Jalen Smith. What does the future look like for Zeke?
What does the future look like from Mari Cooper. A
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lot of those questions are going to be addressed this year. Um,
I mean, when I looked at the list of all
these injured players last year, Dak Prescott went down tied
and Blake Jarwin, your guard, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith Collins,
your defensive tackle, Tristan Hill linebacker late and vandersh and
then your two quarters Traybond Days and Anthony Brown. That's
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just oh yeah, that's not even that's not even including
the long stretches, vander sh Shawn Lee, Tyrone Crawford. All
those guys were missing, and so um that they certainly were.
And I don't mean the sense that, yeah, of course
everybody's wondering, is Mike McCarthy the right guy? But I
mean it's not the same question as you know, the
j scartt iss she was when it was like you're
heading into the last year your contract and and then
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those sorts of questions, And I mean there's more stability
in terms of on the offensive coaching group that Dac
is heading into this offseason. I mean, I think I
have to go back. I think this is the first
time since his second year that he hasn't that he's
going into the training camp a consecutive training camp with
the same quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, and head coach Um
because there were all those changes of Lenahan and Kittna
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and Wade Wilson and and Kelen Moore, and so these
changes have been going on for Dak, and so this
is the most stability he's had, um And And so
I do know that you know, we've always heard Jerry
talking about continuity and how big continuity is to him. UM.
I think that there is a stronger amount of continuity
heading into this offseason, and there is not the big
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question of contract that there has been with Zeke and
Dak that seemed to distract so many people and so
many players that I just not that they have no questions,
but I think some of those big overarching questions that
seemed to be distracted and at times are now out
of the way. At least there there are different questions,
but it's it's not the same intensity, and you know,
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white hot spotlight on some of these contract questions. One look,
the Cowboys have to be very careful here. Uh. I
think growing up in the nineties, when you looked at,
you know, the options you had to catch games, America's
team was always on We didn't have Fantasy football, but
there have been plenty of other teams that have emerged
in recent years. And then when you look at this
team who hasn't seen uh the division championship since nine,
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there's only the two other teams in the NFC who
have also not made a return. You've got to be
careful about how relevant are you as an organization. I
think they're always going to be relevant because the star,
it's iconic, the brand, but in terms of wanting people,
and we talked about, like, who are the big names
on this team anymore? You know, who are the bright stars.
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That's why the Deck signing was so important. And I
do believe what you get with Dak is he feels
respected thanks to the contract, and I do feel like
he authentically thinks this is his team. And I think
you're gonna see a couple of other guys feeling like
they can now step up, you know, as leaders, because
remember this was an aging team and then in when
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I came in, that's when you saw the departures of
all those guys to Marcot, Murray, Tony, Tony Ran, they
were out. And then when we finally saw Jason Witten
and now Sean leeg On. This is now them turning
the page. This is a different iteration. This is a
different decade sort of team, and you sort of feel
like it's finally jelling together. Some of these veteran leaders.
Will Randy Gregory step up and be more vocal the
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way that he said he would during minicamp and O
t A. So look, I agree with them when they
think that there's reasons to be optimistic, but I do
believe it all begins with the health of deck I mean,
he started sixty nine games prior to that injury. I mean,
even this team before he got hurt. When I was
looking at you know, some of the numbers, they had
one of the top five offenses. I mean it's second.
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Let's see, he was averaging seventy one point to passing
yards per game, was the highest in NFL history, I
mean nine point six passer rating before the jury, and
he was averaging forty four point four points per game.
And then when you look at what all your wide
receivers were accomplishing amongst the three and then if you
get Ezekiel Elliott back to the for me was two
seasons ago. This could be something special. But you just
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can't go through the onslaught of injuries that you deal
with last year. Well, and the defense has to be better,
and then they cannot be worse. They were the worst
defense in franchise history last year. They were terrible. Um.
But to that point, you're talking about all this changeover
that's taken place, and you see all these long tenured
guys going out, I've I've got a trivia question for you.
Do you know who is the second longest tenured member
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of the Cowboys defense right now? Oh? Second longest Anthony Brown,
Randy Gregory. Well, and what's crazy, Marcus Lawrence is the longest,
So Tyron Crawford, Shawn Lee, Barry Church. These guys have
exited over the lastewo years. It's now DeMarcus Lawrence and
Randy Gregor are the old vets on that defense. Which
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is crazy to me too, because he said, uh, you know,
right as we were wrapping up Mini camp, this is
only his second mini was only a second mini camp,
his second off season with this TAM since his rookie year.
I even asked Jerry about Randy Grey, this might be
an interesting time to play that clip about Randy Gregory,
and he brought up a really great point as we
talked about Randy Gregory not ever a distraction for them
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off the field, and there is absolutely an upside to
him if he can get this thing altogether this year
and then your investment in him over the last couple
of years. Does he seem a little bit before he
fought in this off season, he felt a little bit
more clear of fine in mini camp. Let's stands out
about him? Well, Um, Randy, Uh, I have been really
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impressed by the way he's uh stayed the course with legitimate,
live challenges and uh he uh addresses them exemplary. Uh.
He has to fight the kinds of things that make
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those challenges for people. He has to fight that and
the I'm seeing him take the logic and the mentality
of using what he's been through there and I'm seeing
it bring it over to his game and bring it
over to his being the professional that he potentially might
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have a chance to be. He's got a lot of
tread left on his tire. He hasn't. He really hasn't
if you think about it, he hadn't had a lot
of wear and tear relative to as many years as
he's now been with the Cowboys that I like that
that's always excited me. That it's even as we speak today,
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it's the what's out ahead of him that excites me
the most. Uh. Uh. I believe that the structure that
we now have in the NFL as a part of
this new our new labor agreement, relative to how we
handle with players, we being the teams in the league,
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how we handle the players, it really helps Randy and
so that that helps him have a plan that is
realistic for him and will be realistic for others too.
It's not called the Randy Gregory plan at all, but
it is absolutely uh compliments what Randy needs to be
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operating in. And of course, uh he has a great
way with his teammates. He's not an issue. Uh he
as far as issues as a teammate or a player,
he would be at the top five percent of not
having issues. So all of those things give me a
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lot of optimism. And then we've never questioned his talent
and his uniqueness, and so I look forward to of
him booed by his confidence level. I look forward to
him really having a big year. Thought it may not
work with Brandy, and he showed you throughout time periods. Well,
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we kept talking and we kept trying, and uh that's
of it in my mind, almost about most things. We
just didn't quit. And uh he had. When I say we,
I'm talking about Randy, and uh, we just we just
didn't quit. He's always been worth in terms of just
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being a person. He's been worth the extra uh, if
you will invest and of time, interests, everything it comes
with building a roster. The next question is, I've never
seen any time when he was a takeaway from being
involved with the team. Not one time. Now you say, well, boy,
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you'd like to have him out there sacking somebody right
uh in the fourth quarter. If that's a takeaway, that
is a takeaway. But uh, certainly he kept it at
a level that frankly, he had a lot of experts
that would basically attest to, uh, Randy needs a different system,
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and so he's uh, he's he's uh, he's all right.
I'm just telling you when I listened to Randy Gregory
and I know you've got a great relationship with him
as well. The thing that used to just I felt
for him. He once said to me, people just want
to see me fill and I just couldn't understand that
negative thinking, right, like I don't deal with the demons
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that he deals with. He was of such clear mind,
of such clear focus, and he said to us he
doesn't want us talking about that narrative anymore. He wants
to move on from that. I want to move on
from it too, and I'm sure Jerry does and everyone else,
and I'm sure he'd like to have a real contract finally. Yeah,
and you know he's got bills to pay. I think
that what you saw that mini camp press conference, when
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you know, he was so charismatic and people could see
what a great guy is. You see what the Cowboys
have seen behind the scenes and why they've stayed invested
in I'm outside of just the talent, why they're willing
to put up with some of the growing pains that
they weren't willing to put up with David Irving, even
though they're both massively talented. I didn't always buy in
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just being candid here to what David would describe as
his problems. It felt very calculated. There there were people
in the organization who didn't buy in either. You're not
alone in that, right, and so with Randy Gregory, I
do feel like it's all then Dick, I do feel
like he's done the work. And look again, going back
to Jerry, say what you want about him. He's loyal
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to people to a fault. In fact, today sort of
taking you behind the scenes. Clarence Hill and I were
kind of in the doghouse with Jerry last year, no secret.
I think everybody on Twitter knew you were in the doghouse.
I'm hoping to get out of there, you know. Like
I read this interview once. It was Jennifer Garner talking
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about Ben Affleck and her and the head of their divorce,
and she talked about him being the most charismatic guy
in the room and when he when he when he
shines on you brightly, it feels great, but when he
turns cold on you, it's tough in the shadows. I mean,
it's kind of how it felt last year with Jerry.
But today there was like a spring and his step
like he wanted to turn the page too, And I
thought there was this really great moment. Clarence Hill, before
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Star Telegram lost his mother and this guy last year
was taking care of his dad, his mother, his two daughters.
Broke my heart for him and Jerry apparently Clarence told
me this. I don't think he'll mind me sharing this.
If you're watching the presser some people saw before Jerry
goes up the stage. He walks up, he says, I
to Christie, h makes note of Mike Doocey, and he
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hugs Clarence and apparently he sent flowers to Clarence his
mom's funeral and basically send him his condolences. And so
Jerry's always watching, he's always reading. He's tapped into people
like that, and I think that's what you have to
appreciate about him. And I gotta tell you I've seen
him get emotional. I mean every time we do what
is it? The cowboys are gonna kill me if I
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misquote this? What is it? There something farms deal that
they do have held farms. Jerry has literally told the
story about how he acquired the team and Jean letting
him sell the Cadillac, and gets emotional when he thinks
her and you know, bless the matriarch, Gene. But it's
always like the tears on you and I'm always like
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a here it comes today it felt if kay And
I want you to listen to one of these. I
want you to listen to one of these clips uh
of him sort of talking about the season, and you'll
get what I'm talking about. I've had a lot of
people tell me your naive and or say that he's naive. Well,
it's a beautiful world. It's a better world to be
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naive than to be uh skeptical and be negative all
the time. And so I do my best work, I
think when it's more positive, and so I need it
to be promising, and I need us to have a
way to go that causes me to do stupid things
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or it causes me to do excessive things that sometimes
really work. And that's been the way I played the
cards the past that you think he steals with the
double to when these Super Bowls, when things just kept
working against you, guys last year you feel like he
was catching in and how anxious for are you to
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get to Thursday night football and foot last year? By well,
I found that uh that uh, he's not quite as
responsive to one's individual asks as you might think. And
I'm not trying to be sacrilegious here, but the facts
are that I would right now if I could and
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I knew had a good chance to do it, I'd
do anything known to man to get in a super Bowl.
That's a fact. And uh, there's uh, there's nothing in
my mind that can uh have a prior higher priority
than that. You know, people always ask he's the window
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closing for this team. Of course, it's the windows closing
every year for this team. But you know, Jerry's turning
seventy nine in October. He's not getting any younger. And
I hate to say that. You know, nobody wants to
talk about father time. I certainly don't like to be
undered in my age, Bobby, But exactly we're gonna stay
with that. You tend to forget Jerry's age because he
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has the energy and enthusiasm, uh of a person half
his age. Stories that I can't share on air, but
I'm fascinated with it. This felt very reflective. It was
almost like the hourglass. He felt like the sand was
running out. I don't know how else to describe it. Again,
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I'm not trying to be dramatic here. I was second row.
I saw the tears, I saw him getting choked up it.
He's always an emotional guy, but this it felt different.
Maybe it's because he got the ball taken away from
last year, he wasn't talked to the media like he
used to. I feel like he gets it. He's like Tinkerbell,
like he lives for the applause, right, Like he gets
his superpower is his charisma and his energy. But it
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felt not even urgent. It was almost like reflective but
or sweet. And then here's another story to support that
argument where he talks about Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer
and almost regrets Bobby. When I look back at the
time that we got to enjoy and what happened to
us during that time, I go back to, uh, what
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Barry Switzer said. Barry Switcher came in. They all the office,
and Jimmy had just left, and so Barry came down
from Norman, Oklahoma to talk about getting the job. And
he comes in and he said, where's Jimmy. Now Barry
had coached us both. He said where's Jimmy, And I said,
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Jimmy's gone. He said, well, that's not right, get get
him in here. Said where's Jimmy. I said, Barry, Jimmy's gone.
We're sitting here talking about you being the coach. I said,
what in the world are you so anxious to talk
to Jimmy about He said, I just wanted to get
both of you the last holes on this couch and
asked you both, how could you this up? I was
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a Switzer. I don't the way you think how you
could do that now? I mean, well, I just think
of those great times and Jimmy's great coach, great coach,
and uh ridiculous uh that. Uh my role here was
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my job to keep it together. It was my job
and should have efforts, should have had deference to something
that was working good. So those are the things that
come to my mind. We had a great run of it. Uh.
He's a great coach, and I'm proud to have him
as a friend and proud to have had the times
that we had. We we uh, we just had a
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great experience. Question if the questions, I never I've never
been able to know why, Uh I sucked it up?
That not just that, but anything. No, I can't answer
those questions. What are you going to year? Would Jimmy
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want to ring an the year? You know, I don't
want to do anything that takes away from this year.
You know, he'll have a year, provided everything goes good,
He'll have a year. Uh that we also honor his
Hall of Fame and it will be this year in
the in during the season, at some time David Baker
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will come down. So we don't want to do anything
uh that uh makes that happen. I'm excited actually, uh.
I UH was the one that uh with David Baker
when Jimmy was put in the hall there two years
ago or last year, not this year, but a year ago.
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I said, look, the Cowboys and to play in the
Hall of Fame game, and he agreed, and he wanted
that to be done. That was a condition Well, when
they canceled the game last year, David said, the first
thing he did was call and say before not that
it's a conditioned because we need to cancel it anyway,
but will you commit to play the next year. So
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really we've been standing there waiting to play this game
relative to this time when they come into the Ring
of Honor. And of course we've got two other absolutely
great Dallas Cowboy players going in up there too, So
it's really propitious that we've got that, uh, that we've
got that game before you. Let's don't let knock all
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the fun off out of it. Of course he's not
talking about the Ring of Honor. I respected because he
says he doesn't want to take away from, you know,
the Hall of Fame. But to admit that he left up.
I loved that he dropped the F bombs is one
of my favorite words. I mean, I literally could use
it as a verb odjective now, and I have to
catch myself so I don't say it on on air.
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But I don't think there's any fan from the nineties
that would disagree with them. But for him to admit
that and to be able to say like he still
can't figure out why he left it up, I thought
it was fascinating. I feel like that's the most direct
responsibility he's taken for the breakup. I mean, not that
he hasn't taken any of the past, but I think
he's always UM. I remember him giving an interview I
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think it was to Fox a couple of years ago
where he had reference that you know, it was about
respect and and and loyalty and being disloyal and you
just can't let disloyalty go by. And there was just
still some pushing off of responsibility. And I think that
it's not fair to say it was all Jerry Um.
There were you talked to a lot of people who
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are around the organization at that time who are not
Jerry loyalists or anythink they're just neutral parties, and they'll
tell you that Jimmy had a big hand in that
divorce and how ugly it got. Um. But I do
think that, yeah, you're you're starting to see a more
reflective of Jerry Jones here and and it's getting so
far away um from those memories being a a day
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to day reality for him that I think he's you know,
as as people tend to do as they as they
age a little bit, they start doing a lot more
looking on the inside and what their responsibility is and
feeling remorse for that. Not necessarily that remorse is the
best word, but he definitely seems to take a lot
(39:28):
of the the blame for that breaking up. I'm gonna
tell you, I actually found myself at one point during
the Presster thinking to myself, I don't want to envision
covering this team when Jerry's not leading that stay of
the Cowboys address. It'll be different when I think of
this league. I don't think we'd be traveling on the
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road or necessarily have fans in the stance. If it
wasn't for Jerry, I don't think so Fi Stadium would
be here in l A and there will be two
teams if it wasn't for Jerry. I don't think the
contracts the Cowboys, Uh, Jerry Jones rather was one thousand percent.
I'm sure a part of would be doled out the
way that he has literally made this league profitable. You
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don't have the Nike partnerships that they have without Jerry,
you don't have UH. You probably if you may not
have a season at all last year without Jerry, you
definitely don't have a sixteen game season last year without Jerry.
Jerry did a lot of the work behind the scenes
to make sure there was a football season last year.
And I think that's also why the time between the
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brand endorsements, the Star and First. We've talked about this
before in the show. When he goes to events, he
knows the names of people, and sure Rich Dowrand Bull,
I'm sure helps him and preps him on some level,
But hell, I can't remember half people's names that I've met.
Last week. I literally find him fast. I bet I
bet he does similar tricks to UH. I think I've
told you this if the year before. Don't think I
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told you on here. Have you ever heard Ronald Reagan's
old chocolate cake trick? Ronald Reagan used to tell his
staff anytime they were traveling on Air Force one to
have a chocolate cake on there, so they would have
a chocolate cake. And for a long time people just
thought like, he just brings a chocolate cake and then
he doesn't eat it. Why is that? The reason why
he did that is because when they would land in
another country they were talking to foreign leader. If he
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found out from somebody, oh, it's the foreign leader's birthday today,
he'll go, oh, yeah, you think I forgot about you?
Go get the cake, and he'd bring the cake out
and he didn't remember it was their birthday, but he'd
always had the chocolate. I feel like that's how Jerry
kind of operates in his space, because he just he
must have several tricks up his sleeve to to stay abreast. Because,
as you mentioned, the the thing with Clarence and and
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you hear so many stories from people who not even
just players and staff or you hear stories, you know,
from people who have worked at the stadium for years
about Jerry being nice to them and doing things for
them and knowing what's going on in their world. Um,
and it's it's gonna be as reflective as he's getting
um and not necessarily like a father times drawing out
on thinking maybe a thing where he's just realizing it's
(41:58):
about time to step away from a to day operations
or something. It's not We've talked about succession the show.
It's good, it's gonna be a much more depressing. It's
gonna be a less fun NFL. It's gonna be a
less fun Dallas Cowboys when Jerry Jones is not involved
in the day to day operations anymore. I agree. I
don't want to think about it. And literally today I
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found myself sort of thinking about that. And look, I'm
not trying to put you in the ground, Jerry, or
or write your eulogy, because there's anyone that I'm not
counting out. It is certainly that guy. It's just I
found myself thinking, Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be different. Uh.
And then we'll see as it's Steven Jones or Charlotte
Jones who takes the reins, that will be the next
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interesting thing. Uh. Just going back to this podcast. We
know that we have been sort of taking time off.
We're excited to be getting more regular again. We're excited
for a new season. So we appreciate those of you
that have hung out with us, who have stayed loyal
to us. In fact, my producer today said he went
to go down unload one of our episodes to prep
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for camp and they weren't there. We haven't had him
for a while. We hope you know that when we
come to you, we want to make sure that we've
got good content, we've got good analysis, we've got good insight.
And it's been a hot minute since I've seen you. Bobby,
are you channeling Pat McAfee again? For those of you
that are not watching on our YouTube channel, he's literally
gone Bill Belichick's leaveless. He's wearing this really, I mean,
(43:27):
I kind of love it. It's like your rocket, like California,
like flat Bill. Shout out to our long time buddies
Ben Rogers and Jeff skin Wade. This is their brewery
they open in Salina, Texas, Rollertown Brewery. So that's just
supporting the fan there um, which I guess I'll tell
you now. I may have said, Uh, told Ben and
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Skin like, hey, well, we'll make sure to record one
of our podcasts out there sometimes, so you may have
to drive to s Line at some point. Uh. And
then this is this has just been my go to.
I'm trying to do a lot more than you know,
cardio and stuff like that, so I've been doing a
lot of like morning running, and so this has been
the go to for it. And that's why that tan
line is so aggressive. There is because it is because
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this is what I've been wearing when I go out,
and it helps. It's got pockets and it's been too
hot to wear a long sleeve hoodie, so I gotta
cut off hoodie so that I could carry sunglasses. If
I knew the glare, I know, I'm pasty white right there. Yeah,
it's aggressive. It's usually worse. It's usually up to here,
but this year we're actually getting you know, sort of
the tricept covered with sign So that's good. Well listen,
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if anything I learned today a cautionary tale from Jerry Jones.
When you've got a dream team and you're winning with somebody,
don't f it up. So I'm not trying to f
up our relationship here on this show, Bobby, you are
my m VB that will never ever change. And I
am excited for a new season, excited to be hanging
out with you again. And thank you so much to
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our loyal fans. You continue to tune in, and you know,
feel free to tweet at as you've got questions you
want to answer. We will get to the bottom with them.
Mmmm how could you pump this up?
Hello, boys and girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys, NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Belt. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
(00:22):
from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. Well,
after what was a longer hiatus than Bobby Belt and
I expected it, we are back and excited to be
talking to you about training camp and I am literally
coming right off of the practice build here in Oxnard.
And Bobby we talked a lot about vaccinations today and
(00:44):
vaccinations are what held you up from being my right
hand man? Yea For those wondering, yes, yeah, no, it
wasn't a decision not to get it. I'm still just
waiting on the second. I got held up logistically and
so it didn't time out right, and I'm frustrating did
but uh, you know, Jane's they're kicking ass and beautiful
mood lighting there. I don't know what you're doing with
(01:05):
the lighting in that room, but it looks great. You've
really got it set up good. You know. It's my
days and local TV Bobby. For those that aren't watching
on YouTube. I've got us backlit back here and you know,
trying to do the best I can to make my
uh my hotel here in ox Nard feel like a
video set. But as I said to you, we haven't
done a podcast in awhile quite frankly, we didn't have
(01:27):
a lot to talk about. I think you and I
felt the same way a lot of people felt after
last season, just sort of exhausted, uh the way we
do business, the way they do business that you know,
the countless amount of injuries and setbacks and the death
of Marcus Paul. I mean, it just seems like, and
I've said this over and over Murphy's Law, anything that
(01:47):
could go wrong did, and so I think you and
I just felt like we needed to walk away a bit,
come back fresh. And today at the presser, running into
the media, Jerry Stephen, Mike McCarthy showing up with shades
and a fresh, fresh beard cut, it almost felt like
they cleaned him up for a second year, like he
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felt like he was a Dallas Cowboys head coach. So
it look, you never know what the season is gonna
look like. I mean, we were talking about this team
last year. They were poised to make a run super
Bowl winning coach Dak Prescott, this offensive line, and they've
got Ceedee Lamb and all the spoils and these all
these free agents that gave the Dallas because of Mike McCarthy,
and it blew up in their face. And I think
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I appreciate, uh, the honesty. They weren't exactly selling us
rainbows this year. I think they wanted to manage expectations.
And I think that's good. Even Jerry admitted he's naive,
he's got to be got emotional as he talked about that. Uh,
but Mike McCarthy was almost level setting when he said, look,
(02:52):
it takes time to build this thing. And he did say,
and I agree. They finally have a defensive line that
matches their offensive line in terms of how big they
are and how strong they are up front. Yeah, and
that'll be one of the things I'm really interested to
see about camp. As you know, we we heard about
how much Dan Quinn and we all know this, how
(03:13):
much he likes length, and that's a big thing that
they talked about leading up to the draft, and then
here in training camp, parties well have gotten so much
longer on defense, and particularly on the defensive line, And
so I just wonder how that maybe is going to
work for a guy who's a little bit of a
shorter player and who struggled last year like Neville Gallimore,
Like as Nevill Gallimore, a guy that's going to be
on the bubble even though he's a you know, two
(03:34):
years removed from being a third round pick or a
year removed from being a third round pick. Um, he
wasn't necessarily dan Quinn's pick, and he doesn't necessarily fit
dan Quinn's measurables. And and how does Tristan Hill fit
into this? And H Bradley and I a guy who
um a lot of fans were excited to see last year,
who got picked in the fifth round and was somebody
that people thought could impact the game. He's on the
smaller side. So I just wonder how some of these
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smaller defensive lineman if they're gonna survive this camp with
dan Quinn. But uh, there there were certainly was a
lot that they touched on. And you know, specifically when
we talk about the changes on defense, Stephen even acknowledging
at one point saying that you know this is you'd
be naive to say it was just injuries, and and
you can't just say it was injuries last year, otherwise
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you wouldn't have make changes to the defensive coaching staff
and basically drafted it and you know, all defensive players.
So I thought it was a you know, at times
an optimistic press conference, as Jerry tends to be. But
I mean I feel like it was a much more
sobering and realistic one with Mike McCarthy talking about last
year we was really difficult, and uh, you know, everybody's
talking about the challenges that they faced, and so I
(04:37):
do think that there was a lot more realism at
this year's State of the Union address than there typically
is from the Cowboys. And there has to be, right
when you go six and ten, uh, and you've had
the myriad amount of injuries, and you had this new
coach that you're supposed to win in spite of these things.
I mean, we certainly saw teams to do it last
year when you look at Cleveland, when you look at
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you know, even the Saints times when they didn't have
Drew Brees and they had to put in you know,
Taysom Hill. And so when I look at some of
those other teams, I don't think they're necessarily looking for excuses,
which I appreciate. Uh, you know, I asked, so, you know,
I kind of touched with Mike McCarthy on you know,
he said, you know, we reached a lot of the
targets that we were looking for. When I asked him
(05:19):
to explain what those targets were, Bobby, you know, we
talked about the buy in of this team, this buy
in this offseason and having those guys there, and he
said some of his targets were, you know, participation, and
he said, the last five weeks, since they broke many
camps and o t a s, the buying has been incredible. Uh.
They did a significantly better job virtually, it felt like,
(05:39):
and even Mike McCarthy admitted at points last year it
was something he absolutely hated. And so I think when
you were trying to change that defensive scheme, a lot
of the players, we heard Laton vander Esch say it
h during many camps and tis. It wasn't that the
scheme was hard, it was implementing the scheme and even
they said they tried to do too much too soon
on that front. Mike McCarthy all touched on the fact
that they were able to get in all of their installs,
(06:02):
and I couldn't figure out if he's I want to say,
said virtually all eighty installs? Does that make sense? Is
that I don't remember that reference specifically. I'd have to
go back and listen to it. But I mean, I
was like, are we talking eight or eight? Here? Here's
the thing. As much as we always used to complain
about Jason Garrett being KG and like short on details,
Mike McCarthy has taken that to a whole new level.
(06:23):
So I'm not certain that even whatever he said, even
if we could go back and listen to exactly it said,
it probably wouldn't make a ton of sense. And I
think that's on purpose. Well listen, I do think you know,
when I talked to some of these other teams that
didn't have you know, the total buying for some of
the O T A s. You know, I was even questioning, Okay,
you're getting the opportunity to get back around each other,
why not sees it? Well? The Cowboys certainly did. I mean,
(06:44):
we talked to a a lot of these players and I
had asked at one point did anyone push back? And
I was told the participation was everyone was on board.
They're trying to build something here, and as a result
of that, I was told training camp is going to
be about reviewing those installs. It's going to be about
game management, you know is Mike McCarthy said, In a
lot of ways, this feels like the first year and
will certainly be that way for guys like Ceedee Lamb
(07:06):
who didn't get to come to training camp in Oxnard
and have the experience that say, the rookies like Micah
Parsons and those guys will. So we said, those are
gonna be the things that they're gonna focus on. And
then the biggest thing I thought that stood out to me,
he said, even with the young quarterback when you had
Aaron Rodgers, was situational football and also the fact that
they needed to work on complimentary, complimentary football. They weren't
playing that last year, so I got the sense that
(07:29):
it was a tough season for Mike McCarthy. But they
went back to the drawing board pretty quick. They made
immediate and swift changes on defense. We talked about this
when the season was over. I can't remember a time
where they literally said goodbye to defensive coordinator or an
offensive coordinator for that matter, after one season, they might
have been demoted. I mean, you and I kicked around
Mondie Kiffin, but we haven't seen them say goodbye. And
(07:52):
the thing that stood out the most to meet about
dan quinn hiring. You don't have to ask these players
to tell you about dan Quinn. They tell you about
dan Quinn. There seems to be a genuine excitement around
what he is bringing to the table, the way that
he gets these guys going, the way he gets them
(08:13):
to buy in, moving guys like Late and Vanderess, who
seemed hyper excited about the fact that he's moving back
to that will position that he felt more natural that
the fact that you've got a guy like Micah Parsons
who we might see involved in some of the pass
rush um and then seeing guys like George Edwards working
out with the linebackers more when I talked to Harrison
Smith that Pro Bowl about George Edwards, those guys felt
(08:36):
his loss, and if you looked at the defense last year,
they felt lost without George Edwards. So I think there's
some signs of life. But I'm gonna be like Jerry
and Mike McCarthy and Steven here I'm going to manage
my expectations because even if they were to make a run,
there's still that team in the NFC Seal who didn't
lose one piece. They just added through the draft, and
(08:59):
that's Tom Brady and of Bucks, and you're gonna have
to get through them. As long as Tom Brady sides
to keep playing football, you're gonna have to get through
them in week one, right out of the gate. You're
gonna have to a test yourself against the I do
think it's funny you kind of reference this. There was
the you know, Mike McCarthy talking about, well, this is
kind of like year one actually, because you know we're
doing all the virtual stuff. This is kind of the
first year for us to do this. And you know,
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he made the point and saying like, well, you know,
when we get out there to those practices, I don't
expect them to look perfect. It's almost like there's kind
of this little couching like McCarthy saying like, hey, y'all
need to just forget about last year. I deserve I
should get a reset over here. I thought that was funny.
I don't know if i'd say damage control, but I
do think that he was owning up to there were
a lot of challenges for me through that way of
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of of operating and that way of coaching, and this
is more You're going to finally see me like the
way I can coach is through this way. This isn't
the way that I do. And so I do feel
like Mike McCarthy took this as an opportunity, which this
is only the what third or fourth time he's sat
in front of the media face to face ace I mean,
I mean, it's not been many times. So I feel
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like this was his chance to kind of speak directly
to some of the criticism that came last year and
not you know, totally brush it off, but say, look,
those are different circumstances. I think you need to judge
me now based off of how I coach, and in
this setting here, I'm hoping he gives me a reset
today to uh, you know, I had asked him about
a postmortem with Ezekie Elliott given last season, you know,
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and he didn't like post more m he wanted me
to use exit interviews. So here's what I'll give Mike
McCarthy on his exit interview after last season. I do
believe you've got to give him another year to give
a full analysis of what he is capable of. Of course,
he's got Green Bay staring at him in the back.
That didn't end well. Last year was a disaster. I mean,
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it was a disaster anyway you want to look at it. Um.
But I do think like jobs that I've had, you know,
when I joined Longhorn Network, I started after this season
had already gotten underway, and it's like, you think you
know what you're getting into at ESPN, and I went
up there for rookie Minicamp and it was so exciting,
but no one really told me what I was expecting
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from what I had done on the sidelines locally to
what's expected at that level. And it wasn't my best season.
In fact, at the end of that season, I'll never forget.
We had a consultant at ESPN that came in and
questioned whether I even knew sports sort of guy. And
the consultant was from Dallas and said he was shocked
when he was asked to come in and talk with
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me about my sports knowledge because he listened to my
sports talk show when I was in Dallas, and so
I had a little bit of a chip on my
shoulder after that year, and so I just felt like,
you know, I'm gonna give him them an the doubt.
He deserves a reset, and he's added you know, some
other piece you bought Scott McCarley with them from the
Green Bay Packers to help with the linebacker group. And
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ran into Ben Macado. Today. Every wants to know what beca.
How's his hair these days? He's he's trimmed up. At
the first I didn't recognize Hi, Bobby. He'd is he
still have the light like the parted down the middle look?
Or he looked clean. He looked like he had just
gotten done working out. And it's my understanding he's going
to help Mike out, you know, with the offense and
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being an extra set of eyes, so to speak. Um,
we didn't get into any real football talk, but he
did remind me that these two have worked together in
several spots and so you know, Mike, I think, is
finally getting a team around him because he keep in mind,
he had a lot of staff holdover, at least a
few guys from Jason Garrett's. But he's slowly but surely
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can bring in more guys around him, and I think
this draft was a lot more reflective of both what
he and Dan quinn want from this roster. Yeah, and
I you know, you just hope that and this is
not something that we can do. You know, you've got
to give him a fair chance, but you just hope
that these the Ben McAdoo type of higher, the Scott
McCarley higher where it's it's not something where a lot
of people were critical of the Mike Nolan higher, where
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it's you went out and hired your buddy and you
didn't get the best man for the job. And and
so I think that it's fair to wonder if you know,
Ben McAdoo is somebody that can come in and help
and and be helpers. It an issue of surrounding with yesman,
And I think that it's fair to ask that of
Mike McCarthy as are you actually putting the right people
in place or are you doing favors where you out
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of the league for that gap and you lost too
much time to know who are the good up and
coming coaches that you can go out there and hire.
Um Ben mcabew obviously somebody who was a you know,
desired coach at one point and was hired by the
Giants to be a head coach, so he's got a
track record as a good assistant. Um, you just hope
that they don't make the same sort of mistakes that
they did with Mike Nolan lest year. And I think
that Mike McCarthy even kind of tacitly acknowledged today that
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you know, we had to make some changes in the
coaching staff and Mike Nolan's a good friend of his,
somebody who gave him a job when he was a
head coach, and so UM, I think that it's it's
big that Mike McCarthy was able to recognize that, and
you hope that he's going forward with that same sort
of mindset about these other hires. And let's be honest, Well,
I haven't impact everything that I was told about, Uh
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what happened last season. There were a lot of players
to blame too, for a lot of like locker room fighting.
I think it it hurt they weren't able to build
the chemistry that they typically will you know at camp
or participating in O t s and training camp. You've
got a new staff, so there's gonna be teacher's pets
for the guys that have brought them in. And when
you've got a nuke list in in Dallas that a
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lot of them are homegrown, they typically don't bring in
a lot of impactful outside free agents. I think it
was all just trying to do too much. Again, I've
equated this to like the pH balance in the pool.
It just was off. So I think for Cowboy fans,
for those of us in the media, you know, we're
looking forward to you know, hitting the reset button. And
for Jerry being one of five teams that decided to
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take you know, this show on the road and go
to training camp, it comes with scrutiny, it comes with challenges. Uh,
we've even been told like things are going to evolve
as we're here. The way we operate here is so different. Um.
But kudos to Jerry because I gotta tell. And when
we did the pressor with Dak Prescott, Jerry Jones and
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the Cowboys were one of the first to put the
media altogether, albeit socially distanced, in a room for that presser.
And it was then that he told us he's going
to train a camp. We're gonna have fans in the
stands this year, And I I loved the optimism and
I've seen him, you know, we've talked about this for
Starr in Frisco. It was an idea that he had
and from idea to conception took him three years. I
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mean he's almost like Walt Disney in that sense, like
he's a true imagineer. And when I used to have
him on the fan on one on one oh three,
you know, he talked about, you know, having a notepad
by his bed at night in his truck, like the
guy is always thinking moving, what can we do next?
And so love him or hate him? I know so
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many fans today when he said I would do anything,
you know, to win a Super Bowl, and I believe
that short of naming a GM something that he has
not done since he has been the owner of this team,
this is a guy that wants to win. This is
a guy that's hyper focused on winning a super Bowl
and bringing the championship back to Dallas. I think that's
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something you have to respect about Derry. Yeah. And I
think one benefit that they have heading into this year
that isn't talked about. You know, David Hellman had a
tweet today that I don't remember the exact specifics of.
Everybody said no DAK contract question. Nothing else. This is
about the most boring state of the union we've ever
walked into and in a long time. And when you
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think back on it, you know, there was the DAK
question heading into last year, like Dave references, there was
the Zeke holdout heading into the off seat or the
training camp before that, Um, there's been questions about you know,
you know, was the first UH training camp without Dez
Bryant and and des had you know, tweeted out some
stuff that then Travis Frederick and Shawn Lee were having
to answer after like the first practice, and that was
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when the Steven Jones quote got a little taken out
of context from the serious x M interview. And so
you go into all these things, or you have the
all these issues that have been going on heading into
these off seasons or heading into these training camps, that
this they do have the benefit of the least amount
of questions they've ever faced heading into camp. I feel
it in terms of off the field questions or peripheral issues,
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there there is no head coaching question in terms of
new guy in here or is this guy getting fired?
I don't think anybody feels like McCarthy's on the hot
seat the way Garrett was heading into his last couple
of training camps. UM, And there's none of these lingering
contract questions anymore. They've pretty much got everybody sewn up
that they need to and so this is the first
camp that can kind of I disagree. It's almost like
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we've gotten so greedy here in Dallas that you need
those flashy headlines. But I feel like there's more questions
than answers heading into the season. Do they have the
right head coach in Mike McCarthy. I absolutely believe they've
given him all the staff that they want around him,
all these extra consultants that we haven't typically seen with
other head coaches. UM. I feel like they protect him
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in a lot of ways last year. They didn't throw
him under the bus. Um. When we look at this
draft and some of the players and the departure system,
the free agents, that's also got his footprint on it.
So that's one question I had. My other question is
what's the future look like for Late and Vanderess and
Jalen Smith. What does the future look like for Zeke?
What does the future look like from Mari Cooper. A
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lot of those questions are going to be addressed this year. Um,
I mean, when I looked at the list of all
these injured players last year, Dak Prescott went down tied
and Blake Jarwin, your guard, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith Collins,
your defensive tackle, Tristan Hill linebacker late and vandersh and
then your two quarters Traybond Days and Anthony Brown. That's
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just oh yeah, that's not even that's not even including
the long stretches, vander sh Shawn Lee, Tyrone Crawford. All
those guys were missing, and so um that they certainly were.
And I don't mean the sense that, yeah, of course
everybody's wondering, is Mike McCarthy the right guy? But I
mean it's not the same question as you know, the
j scartt iss she was when it was like you're
heading into the last year your contract and and then
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those sorts of questions, And I mean there's more stability
in terms of on the offensive coaching group that Dac
is heading into this offseason. I mean, I think I
have to go back. I think this is the first
time since his second year that he hasn't that he's
going into the training camp a consecutive training camp with
the same quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, and head coach Um
because there were all those changes of Lenahan and Kittna
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and Wade Wilson and and Kelen Moore, and so these
changes have been going on for Dak, and so this
is the most stability he's had, um And And so
I do know that you know, we've always heard Jerry
talking about continuity and how big continuity is to him. UM.
I think that there is a stronger amount of continuity
heading into this offseason, and there is not the big
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question of contract that there has been with Zeke and
Dak that seemed to distract so many people and so
many players that I just not that they have no questions,
but I think some of those big overarching questions that
seemed to be distracted and at times are now out
of the way. At least there there are different questions,
but it's it's not the same intensity, and you know,
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white hot spotlight on some of these contract questions. One look,
the Cowboys have to be very careful here. Uh. I
think growing up in the nineties, when you looked at,
you know, the options you had to catch games, America's
team was always on We didn't have Fantasy football, but
there have been plenty of other teams that have emerged
in recent years. And then when you look at this
team who hasn't seen uh the division championship since nine,
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there's only the two other teams in the NFC who
have also not made a return. You've got to be
careful about how relevant are you as an organization. I
think they're always going to be relevant because the star,
it's iconic, the brand, but in terms of wanting people,
and we talked about, like, who are the big names
on this team anymore? You know, who are the bright stars.
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That's why the Deck signing was so important. And I
do believe what you get with Dak is he feels
respected thanks to the contract, and I do feel like
he authentically thinks this is his team. And I think
you're gonna see a couple of other guys feeling like
they can now step up, you know, as leaders, because
remember this was an aging team and then in when
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I came in, that's when you saw the departures of
all those guys to Marcot, Murray, Tony, Tony Ran, they
were out. And then when we finally saw Jason Witten
and now Sean leeg On. This is now them turning
the page. This is a different iteration. This is a
different decade sort of team, and you sort of feel
like it's finally jelling together. Some of these veteran leaders.
Will Randy Gregory step up and be more vocal the
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way that he said he would during minicamp and O
t A. So look, I agree with them when they
think that there's reasons to be optimistic, but I do
believe it all begins with the health of deck I mean,
he started sixty nine games prior to that injury. I mean,
even this team before he got hurt. When I was
looking at you know, some of the numbers, they had
one of the top five offenses. I mean it's second.
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Let's see, he was averaging seventy one point to passing
yards per game, was the highest in NFL history, I
mean nine point six passer rating before the jury, and
he was averaging forty four point four points per game.
And then when you look at what all your wide
receivers were accomplishing amongst the three and then if you
get Ezekiel Elliott back to the for me was two
seasons ago. This could be something special. But you just
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can't go through the onslaught of injuries that you deal
with last year. Well, and the defense has to be better,
and then they cannot be worse. They were the worst
defense in franchise history last year. They were terrible. Um.
But to that point, you're talking about all this changeover
that's taken place, and you see all these long tenured
guys going out, I've I've got a trivia question for you.
Do you know who is the second longest tenured member
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of the Cowboys defense right now? Oh? Second longest Anthony Brown,
Randy Gregory. Well, and what's crazy, Marcus Lawrence is the longest,
So Tyron Crawford, Shawn Lee, Barry Church. These guys have
exited over the lastewo years. It's now DeMarcus Lawrence and
Randy Gregor are the old vets on that defense. Which
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is crazy to me too, because he said, uh, you know,
right as we were wrapping up Mini camp, this is
only his second mini was only a second mini camp,
his second off season with this TAM since his rookie year.
I even asked Jerry about Randy Grey, this might be
an interesting time to play that clip about Randy Gregory,
and he brought up a really great point as we
talked about Randy Gregory not ever a distraction for them
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off the field, and there is absolutely an upside to
him if he can get this thing altogether this year
and then your investment in him over the last couple
of years. Does he seem a little bit before he
fought in this off season, he felt a little bit
more clear of fine in mini camp. Let's stands out
about him? Well, Um, Randy, Uh, I have been really
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impressed by the way he's uh stayed the course with legitimate,
live challenges and uh he uh addresses them exemplary. Uh.
He has to fight the kinds of things that make
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those challenges for people. He has to fight that and
the I'm seeing him take the logic and the mentality
of using what he's been through there and I'm seeing
it bring it over to his game and bring it
over to his being the professional that he potentially might
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have a chance to be. He's got a lot of
tread left on his tire. He hasn't. He really hasn't
if you think about it, he hadn't had a lot
of wear and tear relative to as many years as
he's now been with the Cowboys that I like that
that's always excited me. That it's even as we speak today,
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it's the what's out ahead of him that excites me
the most. Uh. Uh. I believe that the structure that
we now have in the NFL as a part of
this new our new labor agreement, relative to how we
handle with players, we being the teams in the league,
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how we handle the players, it really helps Randy and
so that that helps him have a plan that is
realistic for him and will be realistic for others too.
It's not called the Randy Gregory plan at all, but
it is absolutely uh compliments what Randy needs to be
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operating in. And of course, uh he has a great
way with his teammates. He's not an issue. Uh he
as far as issues as a teammate or a player,
he would be at the top five percent of not
having issues. So all of those things give me a
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lot of optimism. And then we've never questioned his talent
and his uniqueness, and so I look forward to of
him booed by his confidence level. I look forward to
him really having a big year. Thought it may not
work with Brandy, and he showed you throughout time periods. Well,
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we kept talking and we kept trying, and uh that's
of it in my mind, almost about most things. We
just didn't quit. And uh he had. When I say we,
I'm talking about Randy, and uh, we just we just
didn't quit. He's always been worth in terms of just
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being a person. He's been worth the extra uh, if
you will invest and of time, interests, everything it comes
with building a roster. The next question is, I've never
seen any time when he was a takeaway from being
involved with the team. Not one time. Now you say, well, boy,
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you'd like to have him out there sacking somebody right
uh in the fourth quarter. If that's a takeaway, that
is a takeaway. But uh, certainly he kept it at
a level that frankly, he had a lot of experts
that would basically attest to, uh, Randy needs a different system,
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and so he's uh, he's he's uh, he's all right.
I'm just telling you when I listened to Randy Gregory
and I know you've got a great relationship with him
as well. The thing that used to just I felt
for him. He once said to me, people just want
to see me fill and I just couldn't understand that
negative thinking, right, like I don't deal with the demons
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that he deals with. He was of such clear mind,
of such clear focus, and he said to us he
doesn't want us talking about that narrative anymore. He wants
to move on from that. I want to move on
from it too, and I'm sure Jerry does and everyone else,
and I'm sure he'd like to have a real contract finally. Yeah,
and you know he's got bills to pay. I think
that what you saw that mini camp press conference, when
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you know, he was so charismatic and people could see
what a great guy is. You see what the Cowboys
have seen behind the scenes and why they've stayed invested
in I'm outside of just the talent, why they're willing
to put up with some of the growing pains that
they weren't willing to put up with David Irving, even
though they're both massively talented. I didn't always buy in
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just being candid here to what David would describe as
his problems. It felt very calculated. There there were people
in the organization who didn't buy in either. You're not
alone in that, right, and so with Randy Gregory, I
do feel like it's all then Dick, I do feel
like he's done the work. And look again, going back
to Jerry, say what you want about him. He's loyal
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to people to a fault. In fact, today sort of
taking you behind the scenes. Clarence Hill and I were
kind of in the doghouse with Jerry last year, no secret.
I think everybody on Twitter knew you were in the doghouse.
I'm hoping to get out of there, you know. Like
I read this interview once. It was Jennifer Garner talking
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about Ben Affleck and her and the head of their divorce,
and she talked about him being the most charismatic guy
in the room and when he when he when he
shines on you brightly, it feels great, but when he
turns cold on you, it's tough in the shadows. I mean,
it's kind of how it felt last year with Jerry.
But today there was like a spring and his step
like he wanted to turn the page too, And I
thought there was this really great moment. Clarence Hill, before
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Star Telegram lost his mother and this guy last year
was taking care of his dad, his mother, his two daughters.
Broke my heart for him and Jerry apparently Clarence told
me this. I don't think he'll mind me sharing this.
If you're watching the presser some people saw before Jerry
goes up the stage. He walks up, he says, I
to Christie, h makes note of Mike Doocey, and he
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hugs Clarence and apparently he sent flowers to Clarence his
mom's funeral and basically send him his condolences. And so
Jerry's always watching, he's always reading. He's tapped into people
like that, and I think that's what you have to
appreciate about him. And I gotta tell you I've seen
him get emotional. I mean every time we do what
is it? The cowboys are gonna kill me if I
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misquote this? What is it? There something farms deal that
they do have held farms. Jerry has literally told the
story about how he acquired the team and Jean letting
him sell the Cadillac, and gets emotional when he thinks
her and you know, bless the matriarch, Gene. But it's
always like the tears on you and I'm always like
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a here it comes today it felt if kay And
I want you to listen to one of these. I
want you to listen to one of these clips uh
of him sort of talking about the season, and you'll
get what I'm talking about. I've had a lot of
people tell me your naive and or say that he's naive. Well,
it's a beautiful world. It's a better world to be
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naive than to be uh skeptical and be negative all
the time. And so I do my best work, I
think when it's more positive, and so I need it
to be promising, and I need us to have a
way to go that causes me to do stupid things
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or it causes me to do excessive things that sometimes
really work. And that's been the way I played the
cards the past that you think he steals with the
double to when these Super Bowls, when things just kept
working against you, guys last year you feel like he
was catching in and how anxious for are you to
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get to Thursday night football and foot last year? By well,
I found that uh that uh, he's not quite as
responsive to one's individual asks as you might think. And
I'm not trying to be sacrilegious here, but the facts
are that I would right now if I could and
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I knew had a good chance to do it, I'd
do anything known to man to get in a super Bowl.
That's a fact. And uh, there's uh, there's nothing in
my mind that can uh have a prior higher priority
than that. You know, people always ask he's the window
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closing for this team. Of course, it's the windows closing
every year for this team. But you know, Jerry's turning
seventy nine in October. He's not getting any younger. And
I hate to say that. You know, nobody wants to
talk about father time. I certainly don't like to be
undered in my age, Bobby, But exactly we're gonna stay
with that. You tend to forget Jerry's age because he
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has the energy and enthusiasm, uh of a person half
his age. Stories that I can't share on air, but
I'm fascinated with it. This felt very reflective. It was
almost like the hourglass. He felt like the sand was
running out. I don't know how else to describe it. Again,
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I'm not trying to be dramatic here. I was second row.
I saw the tears, I saw him getting choked up it.
He's always an emotional guy, but this it felt different.
Maybe it's because he got the ball taken away from
last year, he wasn't talked to the media like he
used to. I feel like he gets it. He's like Tinkerbell,
like he lives for the applause, right, Like he gets
his superpower is his charisma and his energy. But it
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felt not even urgent. It was almost like reflective but
or sweet. And then here's another story to support that
argument where he talks about Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer
and almost regrets Bobby. When I look back at the
time that we got to enjoy and what happened to
us during that time, I go back to, uh, what
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Barry Switzer said. Barry Switcher came in. They all the office,
and Jimmy had just left, and so Barry came down
from Norman, Oklahoma to talk about getting the job. And
he comes in and he said, where's Jimmy. Now Barry
had coached us both. He said where's Jimmy, And I said,
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Jimmy's gone. He said, well, that's not right, get get
him in here. Said where's Jimmy. I said, Barry, Jimmy's gone.
We're sitting here talking about you being the coach. I said,
what in the world are you so anxious to talk
to Jimmy about He said, I just wanted to get
both of you the last holes on this couch and
asked you both, how could you this up? I was
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a Switzer. I don't the way you think how you
could do that now? I mean, well, I just think
of those great times and Jimmy's great coach, great coach,
and uh ridiculous uh that. Uh my role here was
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my job to keep it together. It was my job
and should have efforts, should have had deference to something
that was working good. So those are the things that
come to my mind. We had a great run of it. Uh.
He's a great coach, and I'm proud to have him
as a friend and proud to have had the times
that we had. We we uh, we just had a
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great experience. Question if the questions, I never I've never
been able to know why, Uh I sucked it up?
That not just that, but anything. No, I can't answer
those questions. What are you going to year? Would Jimmy
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want to ring an the year? You know, I don't
want to do anything that takes away from this year.
You know, he'll have a year, provided everything goes good,
He'll have a year. Uh that we also honor his
Hall of Fame and it will be this year in
the in during the season, at some time David Baker
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will come down. So we don't want to do anything
uh that uh makes that happen. I'm excited actually, uh.
I UH was the one that uh with David Baker
when Jimmy was put in the hall there two years
ago or last year, not this year, but a year ago.
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I said, look, the Cowboys and to play in the
Hall of Fame game, and he agreed, and he wanted
that to be done. That was a condition Well, when
they canceled the game last year, David said, the first
thing he did was call and say before not that
it's a conditioned because we need to cancel it anyway,
but will you commit to play the next year. So
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really we've been standing there waiting to play this game
relative to this time when they come into the Ring
of Honor. And of course we've got two other absolutely
great Dallas Cowboy players going in up there too, So
it's really propitious that we've got that, uh, that we've
got that game before you. Let's don't let knock all
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the fun off out of it. Of course he's not
talking about the Ring of Honor. I respected because he
says he doesn't want to take away from, you know,
the Hall of Fame. But to admit that he left up.
I loved that he dropped the F bombs is one
of my favorite words. I mean, I literally could use
it as a verb odjective now, and I have to
catch myself so I don't say it on on air.
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But I don't think there's any fan from the nineties
that would disagree with them. But for him to admit
that and to be able to say like he still
can't figure out why he left it up, I thought
it was fascinating. I feel like that's the most direct
responsibility he's taken for the breakup. I mean, not that
he hasn't taken any of the past, but I think
he's always UM. I remember him giving an interview I
(38:26):
think it was to Fox a couple of years ago
where he had reference that you know, it was about
respect and and and loyalty and being disloyal and you
just can't let disloyalty go by. And there was just
still some pushing off of responsibility. And I think that
it's not fair to say it was all Jerry Um.
There were you talked to a lot of people who
(38:47):
are around the organization at that time who are not
Jerry loyalists or anythink they're just neutral parties, and they'll
tell you that Jimmy had a big hand in that
divorce and how ugly it got. Um. But I do
think that, yeah, you're you're starting to see a more
reflective of Jerry Jones here and and it's getting so
far away um from those memories being a a day
(39:08):
to day reality for him that I think he's you know,
as as people tend to do as they as they
age a little bit, they start doing a lot more
looking on the inside and what their responsibility is and
feeling remorse for that. Not necessarily that remorse is the
best word, but he definitely seems to take a lot
(39:28):
of the the blame for that breaking up. I'm gonna
tell you, I actually found myself at one point during
the Presster thinking to myself, I don't want to envision
covering this team when Jerry's not leading that stay of
the Cowboys address. It'll be different when I think of
this league. I don't think we'd be traveling on the
(39:51):
road or necessarily have fans in the stance. If it
wasn't for Jerry, I don't think so Fi Stadium would
be here in l A and there will be two
teams if it wasn't for Jerry. I don't think the
contracts the Cowboys, Uh, Jerry Jones rather was one thousand percent.
I'm sure a part of would be doled out the
way that he has literally made this league profitable. You
(40:14):
don't have the Nike partnerships that they have without Jerry,
you don't have UH. You probably if you may not
have a season at all last year without Jerry, you
definitely don't have a sixteen game season last year without Jerry.
Jerry did a lot of the work behind the scenes
to make sure there was a football season last year.
And I think that's also why the time between the
(40:36):
brand endorsements, the Star and First. We've talked about this
before in the show. When he goes to events, he
knows the names of people, and sure Rich Dowrand Bull,
I'm sure helps him and preps him on some level,
But hell, I can't remember half people's names that I've met.
Last week. I literally find him fast. I bet I
bet he does similar tricks to UH. I think I've
told you this if the year before. Don't think I
(40:57):
told you on here. Have you ever heard Ronald Reagan's
old chocolate cake trick? Ronald Reagan used to tell his
staff anytime they were traveling on Air Force one to
have a chocolate cake on there, so they would have
a chocolate cake. And for a long time people just
thought like, he just brings a chocolate cake and then
he doesn't eat it. Why is that? The reason why
he did that is because when they would land in
another country they were talking to foreign leader. If he
(41:18):
found out from somebody, oh, it's the foreign leader's birthday today,
he'll go, oh, yeah, you think I forgot about you?
Go get the cake, and he'd bring the cake out
and he didn't remember it was their birthday, but he'd
always had the chocolate. I feel like that's how Jerry
kind of operates in his space, because he just he
must have several tricks up his sleeve to to stay abreast. Because,
as you mentioned, the the thing with Clarence and and
(41:38):
you hear so many stories from people who not even
just players and staff or you hear stories, you know,
from people who have worked at the stadium for years
about Jerry being nice to them and doing things for
them and knowing what's going on in their world. Um,
and it's it's gonna be as reflective as he's getting
um and not necessarily like a father times drawing out
on thinking maybe a thing where he's just realizing it's
(41:58):
about time to step away from a to day operations
or something. It's not We've talked about succession the show.
It's good, it's gonna be a much more depressing. It's
gonna be a less fun NFL. It's gonna be a
less fun Dallas Cowboys when Jerry Jones is not involved
in the day to day operations anymore. I agree. I
don't want to think about it. And literally today I
(42:19):
found myself sort of thinking about that. And look, I'm
not trying to put you in the ground, Jerry, or
or write your eulogy, because there's anyone that I'm not
counting out. It is certainly that guy. It's just I
found myself thinking, Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be different. Uh.
And then we'll see as it's Steven Jones or Charlotte
Jones who takes the reins, that will be the next
(42:40):
interesting thing. Uh. Just going back to this podcast. We
know that we have been sort of taking time off.
We're excited to be getting more regular again. We're excited
for a new season. So we appreciate those of you
that have hung out with us, who have stayed loyal
to us. In fact, my producer today said he went
to go down unload one of our episodes to prep
(43:02):
for camp and they weren't there. We haven't had him
for a while. We hope you know that when we
come to you, we want to make sure that we've
got good content, we've got good analysis, we've got good insight.
And it's been a hot minute since I've seen you. Bobby,
are you channeling Pat McAfee again? For those of you
that are not watching on our YouTube channel, he's literally
gone Bill Belichick's leaveless. He's wearing this really, I mean,
(43:27):
I kind of love it. It's like your rocket, like California,
like flat Bill. Shout out to our long time buddies
Ben Rogers and Jeff skin Wade. This is their brewery
they open in Salina, Texas, Rollertown Brewery. So that's just
supporting the fan there um, which I guess I'll tell
you now. I may have said, Uh, told Ben and
(43:48):
Skin like, hey, well, we'll make sure to record one
of our podcasts out there sometimes, so you may have
to drive to s Line at some point. Uh. And
then this is this has just been my go to.
I'm trying to do a lot more than you know,
cardio and stuff like that, so I've been doing a
lot of like morning running, and so this has been
the go to for it. And that's why that tan
line is so aggressive. There is because it is because
(44:09):
this is what I've been wearing when I go out,
and it helps. It's got pockets and it's been too
hot to wear a long sleeve hoodie, so I gotta
cut off hoodie so that I could carry sunglasses. If
I knew the glare, I know, I'm pasty white right there. Yeah,
it's aggressive. It's usually worse. It's usually up to here,
but this year we're actually getting you know, sort of
the tricept covered with sign So that's good. Well listen,
(44:31):
if anything I learned today a cautionary tale from Jerry Jones.
When you've got a dream team and you're winning with somebody,
don't f it up. So I'm not trying to f
up our relationship here on this show, Bobby, you are
my m VB that will never ever change. And I
am excited for a new season, excited to be hanging
out with you again. And thank you so much to
(44:52):
our loyal fans. You continue to tune in, and you know,
feel free to tweet at as you've got questions you
want to answer. We will get to the bottom with them.
Mmmm how could you pump this up?
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