February 10, 2021 • 49 mins
On today’s episode of the 'Boys and Girl Podcast, Jane and Bobby broadcast from EXOS in Frisco, where several players are preparing for the draft. Baylor defensive end William Bradley-King, Houston defensive end Payton Turner, and defensive line trainer Brandon Tucker all stop by. Follow Jane and Bobby on Twitter and subscribe to get all the latest inside information from two of the most connected people in the Cowboys’ community.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, Boys and girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys, NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
(00:22):
from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. All Right,
I'm sort of loving that while people are focused on
the Super Bowl and last season, Bobby, you and I
are now focused towards the new season. We're turning the page.
We're excited about the new guys that are entering the
league and doing so once again in a sort of
different world as it relates to the combine and access
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to players, and shout out to you, Shout out to
EXOS for laying the groundwork for some of this. The
access that we've received up here and the ability to
talk to so many of these guys that you're going
to hear their names in the first and second rounds
of the draft has been remarkable, and you're gonna start
hearing a lot of their names a lot more in
the coming weeks as other reporters sort of get their
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hands on them in virtuals. But we are getting sort
of this um again while everyone's sort of focused over there,
We've got them here. It's like my wife does these
Divine consign those uh those mommy sales on a weekend
and grape Vine and if you if you work it,
you get the like the pre sale and the workers
get to go in and shop like three hours before.
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We're basically, uh, the the pre sale shoppers at the
Divine Consign here and at Exos and Frisco. And I'm
obsessed with it because what I love the most about
my job is a few things, developing relationships to the players,
getting to know their why and what's their purpose. And
I've had so many questions, and we talked about this
in last episode. How did these guys stay engaged? How
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hard was it to watch football at the college level
getting played while some of them decided to stay in
Frisco and and approach this like it was a career. Um,
How how did they handle some of the challenges that
came with this year? And I've walked away so far
legitimately impressed with some of these guys. And I think
more importantly, we're getting little nuggets about who the Cowboys
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are sort of talking to and are interested. I think
that's fascinating. Again, it's early on and as we've talked
to these players, especially with the Senior Bowl, they've talked
to all thirty two teams. I think in the past
it might be ten teams, twelve teams. Do you're consolidating
a little bit more, You're you're trying to delegate your
but yeah, this year, they they got to talk to everybody.
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You've got to gather as much intel as possible. So
we're not gonna ask all the questions that the gms
and the coaches are. Bobby always does a really good
job of finding out with some of them them have
asked and so we'll sprinkle them in, uh to our interview,
so you can kind of feel like you're a fly
on the wall there. But really interesting guys, and like
I said, we've got one of them in this episode.
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Peyton Turner's just wingspan. I know, it's it's insane the
way he I mean, he looks as big as an airplane. Yeah.
Today it's it's as we mentioned, Peyton Turner from Houston,
William Bradley King from Baylor, and Brandon Tucker from Trench
Warfare Training. So we can jump into all that and
you guys can get a look at some of the
prospects the Cowboys might be considering and to what the
palettes too of the Cowboys fans. Like I said I've
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been talking about, at some point we'll deep dive into
some of the complexities as it related to why that
defense played as poorly as they did. And I think
when we kind of opened it up at some point,
the fans are going to be I think encouraged by
the mental makeup of this team and how they played
through a lot of the things that I think that
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if other coaching staffs around the league knew what was
going on would be shocking to them as well. And
again we'll get into that a little bit further down
the line. As we talked about this new coaching sound,
we'll get into some of it today. Brandon Tuckers got
some good insight on how those guys fought and so
so that'll be some good information and he works with
some of those guys. Get a point and bring that
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up is there is a reason to be enthusiastic Cowboys
fans about this defense despite what we saw from it
last year. So stay tuned for this episode. A lot
of good, a lot of good information here. Joining us
now is Baylor defensive end William Bradley King goes by
b K. Actually it's much easier, uh, and you can
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follow him on Twitter at will got the sack? Uh
b K. How you doing, man, I'm doing good. Thanks
for having me. Absolutely so. You're one of the guys
that we talked to a few guys last week, but
it was a little more empty here at Exos because
of course Senior Bowl, and you were one of the
guys who was out there. How did that experience go?
How was how is everything that came out of that?
It's it's a difficult ear with the combine being canceled
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being a little different. So what kind of benefit do
you think you got out of that and how you performed? Yeah?
I loved I loved it. Um. I feel like the
opportunity was one of con especially with COVID, you know, uh,
it messes with players mentally and uh you know, of
course physically, but you know, was mentally and physically prepared
for the Ford and I gave it all I got. Now,
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you're somebody who you started out your career over at
Arkansas State and then transferred over the Taylor Why did
you choose to go with Baylor? Baylor just because Dave A.
Randa his defensive mind. Um, what Baylor did this season before, Um,
the scheme he was bringing over. You know, I wanted
to prove the NFL teams that I was a valuable
football player. And you know that's what David Randa let
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let me do. I played outside linebacker, you know, dropping
covers sometimes, put my hand in the dirt, played off
the edge, and uh rushed out of a four eye
and a three technique. Where did you start to see
your game really improved? Though? Um? Just just well David
Ranna he was more like a mentally challenging coach, So
I feel like he he helped me become even more
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mental tougher. And then uh, just seeing the game from
his point of view, because he teaches the game like
you're pro. So you know, he just helped me understand
football even more and help my football. IQ. Who were
some of the teams that you talked to a Senior Bowl?
I talked to a two teams. Oh you did, No,
that's impressive. Do you think it was? Again? You don't
have anything to gauge this against because it's such a
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different year. With COVID. Do you think that that would
have happened in years past? Was it was a more
intimate environment there, Yeah, it was. It was very intimate. UM.
We had we had like pods set up, so we
had like twenty minute sessions with East team. UM interviews
last hit almost four hours, but you know it was
worth it. Now one of those we know you're training
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out here obviously in the Dallas area. So how did
your conversation with the count And obviously we don't want
you to give away too much or whatever, but how
did that conversation go? And how did you feel about
the Cowboys? Yeah, I want to play in the NFL.
That that's been my dream since I was six years old.
But you know, the conversation it went really well. UM,
any NFL team that wants to pay me, you know,
I but yeah, it was. It was a great conversation.
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What is it that most teams were without scuse obviously,
who was wanting to know what? But I mean, what
is it? Most teams were we're wanting to know about you?
That they were saying, Hey, we we got this question
about you, and this is what we'd like to We'd
like to get your perspective on what was it that
you think teams most wanted to know about you? Um,
they really wanted to know why I transferred, you know, um,
you know I was playing I was playing chess, not checkers.
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They wanted to know, you know, just my football que
They wanted to know what type of person I was,
and they really wanted to, you know, see if I
could pass rush, if I could if I could get
home to the quarterback. Now, you mentioned that you kind
of bounced around, you did some four iy, you were
outside and playing all over the place. Where do you
feel your best fit is at the next level on
the edge. That's where you want to be. Just pin
your ears back, go wide nine, hyde nine, loose six there.
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Would you feel comfortable standing up though and rushing in
the three four? But just in general, you want to
you want to rush off the edge, whether that's standing
up in a three four or hand in the ground
in a four three. Yes, so I can do both,
all right? Because we are the Boys and Girls podcast
and we covered the Cowboys again. I don't want to
ask you what questions they asked you, But who did
you talk to from the Cowboys staff? Was it Dan Quinn?
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Was stand there. Yeah, I don't recall you saw you
saw he was a large man with a bald head. Yeah.
I talked to so many people like I couldn't tell
you who I talked to it I'm not gonna lie.
But I did talk to the Dallas Cowboys. That's great. Now,
the Cowboys do need defensive help, as you know. Oh gosh, yeah,
I know they're They're in a great deal, but especially
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coming off the edge there. Now, when you look at
one of the things that I know, I'm just talking
to scouts and you talked to coaches and stuff. One
of your favorite questions ask guys is like, why do
you love ball? And at sounds like a simple question,
but to them tells them so much about a guy
and what it is that drives him. So if teams
ask you that question, they say, you know, b K,
why do you love ball? What's your answer to them?
I mean, I'm driven because of my mother. Um, you
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know she's going through some personal issues. But you know
I love ball just because, Um you know, I love competing.
You know, I love that one on one battle. Um,
you know I'm a competitor. I don't I don't let
my sister when anything, you know, that's what I love
to do. Where did your love of the game come from?
And when did you know you were special? Um? My
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love of the game came from I think the camaraderie. Um,
all my friends played football, so you know, I just
love being around all my friends. At one point, I
was kind of the only child, so you know, it's
just me, so you know, just being around the guys competing,
you know, seeing that I could I could be better. Um,
it just it just intrigued me. And I always loved
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the game. I always knew I loved the game. And yeah,
was there a signature game for you in high school
or college where you're like I think everyone at some
point knows when they're uniquely suited for certain loftier goals,
right like Elon Musk. I love when his mother said
I knew he was a genius. I just didn't know
if that genius was going to translate to Tesla and
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what he does now or if he was gonna end
up in the basement. There's a lot of really gifted
football players that come through high school and college. But
when was this signature moment for you that you thought
I'm gonna make it there one day, I'm gonna be something. Yeah,
I don't know. I really think it was just my
worth etic Um. You know, I kind of figured out that.
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You know, it wasn't a secret recipe to being a
good football players, just hard work. So you know I
always worked hard. You know, I always like whenever I
had a goal, I always would figure out a way
to get to it. So you know, it's just always
been my goal. Um. You know, I was always confident. Uh,
Arkansas State, I had a I had a really good
game against you NLV. I had two sacks. You know,
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I thought I was a big time You know I wasn't,
but you know that was probably a highlight of my career.
And then, um, I played. I played really well against
West Virginia, great, played really good against Texas, really good
against US. Really I got the long hard shirt on Oklahoma,
and you know, I just I just always believed in
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myself and just always felt like I was him. Now,
before we hit you some rapid fire, get to now
your questions. I know, your guy who who wants to
take his platform and do bigger things with it at
the next level. What are some of your plans to
to kind of give back and and make a difference
once you get to the next level. Yeah, um, I
already have like non for profit UM ideas, um operation,
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don't hold back, like don't hold back to help. You know,
it's still it's still in a U in a in
a running right now in the making. And um, you know,
I just want to I want to give back, you know,
I want to give have school drives, you know, just
mentor kids, you know, stuff like that, people that um,
you know was kind of raised like me without a
father figure and stuff. So you know, I want to
just really help help younger kids. Give me a little
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insight into that, because you don't have to share what
your mother is going through through if you don't want.
But I love that your wise is your mom. Yeah
what was it like growing up for you? And how
did that shape you? Yeah, I'm adopted by my aunt,
by my great great aunt, so she's kind of like
a grandmother. But um, you know that's my mom now.
She adopted me and my younger sister. I just had
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to like, you know, grow up early, you know, and
they helped me realize, you know, what I wanted in life.
And um, you know, I just always attack what I wanted.
I love that. I know they're very, very proud of you.
Now as as people come to get to know a
little bit about you, we like to always finish if
ask a couple of different, like a little more lighthearted questions.
So when it comes to your pregame hype list and
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you're trying to get in the zone, what's gonna be?
What are you gonna be listening to the people I name?
You're probably not gonna come on? Randall Cap told me
literally Batman's Kiss from a Rose Seal was his pregame. See,
I'm gonna listen to like some Detroit music, like some
Soide of Baby, some Srio, the Young o G guys
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like that. That's going why Detroit specific. It's like you
got a family connection there or something. No, they just
do something called spice talking, so they like they just
talk any kind of way. So like that really just
give me going now? I feel like is this uh
it kind of what is the song where it's like
you can't star with the Eagles? I don't know if
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you if you're if you're hanging out with chickens and
he's like talking about it, Well, there's like also this
like awesome track Beneath that. I'm my girlfriend. I love this,
like we want to get hype. We listen. It's not
Paul Wall it's a I'm just sitting here surprised that
at the fact that, like, you know, you're talking about Detroit,
but now I'm going to go there's been this chat
lately about Detroit style pizza now taking It's not like
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I don't know what it is about Detroit. They're doing
great things since Dan Campbell got to the Lions. I
guess it's it's somehow credited to him. What did you
did you watch Dan Campbell's press conference when he talked
about like them off their kneecap its little intense. He
was a little intense. There is that? Is that a
guy that you're like, oh, I could go play for
that time like that? Yeah, you like that energy. That's
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that's good. Now, since you are a big music guy. Uh.
We asked this of a couple of people, what would
you rather live without music or like television, movies, streaming
service stop stuff. So if you have to live with
out one for the rest of your life. See, that's
kind of hard because I'm a music guy that's gonna
get my day started. And then I like I like
the Netflix andce you. I like to watch movies. So
favorite movie on Netflix recently? Um, well, my favorite movie
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on Netflix is probably the movie Impossible. I don't watch
that one yet. Who's in it? It's uh, well, I
think it's about the tsunami that that happened. Okay, there
you go. So yeah, that was a crazy movie. Had
my my blood pressure out of the the roof. I want
to watch that. I'm I've I've been on a documentary
ly HBO Max has this really good one on the
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Heaven's Gate cult, which I think was a thing before
you were even born. I started a little bit. I
liked it. I liked it, but I mean, that's just
the crazier one was the guy that was carving his
initials into women, which now apparently staking headlines these days.
I digress. That's a little disturbing. H Now, are you
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a basketball guy? No, I'm not. I'm not at all.
I'm really a football guy. Football. Okay, with that all,
I'll throw a football. I'll throw a football game at
a football. Question at you and it's you may or
may not play Madden, but if you if you were
to hop on Matt a little bit. If you were
to hop on Madden next year and the guy that
you're playing happens to take the team that you play for,
and so you've got digital, you know b K. And
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he scoops up a fumble. Are you gonna tackle him
and and try and be competitive and win the game.
Are you gonna let yourself get some shine and let
him score? I think I'm gonna let b K get
because let him get there. But I want to see him.
I want to see him do good. You'll try the
other fifty nine minutes. There you go? Well, uh well,
William Bradley King you can follow him on Twitter. It's
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it's the best handle on Twitter. I think it's at
will got the sack and you can follow the p K.
We appreciate you, man, Thank you so much. Joining us
now is Houston defensive end Peyton Turner. You can follow
him on Twitter at pt underscore Turner nine eight. Peyton,
thanks so much for joining us for sure. Thanks for
having me now. You are. I think the chatter about
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you right now is you're considered a bit of a
riser that that people are like, Okay, this guy where
he burst onto the scene from and you had it.
You had a strong senior season, You came in at
the Senior Bowl, measured really well, had good days of practice. Um,
talk about that experience at the Senior Bowl. How do
you think it helped you and and you know, just
in general, how that went, dealing with all the teams
and going through the practices. Yeah, the I mean, the
whole Senior Bowl experience this year was really unique, especially
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in the fact that there's not an NFL combine really
this year, just medical So I mean, you know, getting
to talk to all the teams, scouts, GMS, coaches, it
was really nice. You know, put a put a face
to the name and you know, talk to him and
give talk to them about my family and my experience,
why I've had such a good season, you know, just
my whole career. It was really nice. Uh. You know,
and then you get to make some new friends, best
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college football players in the country at the Senior Bowl.
So you know, it's nice. It's always It was really
really a great opportunity. How many interviews did you do
average time of each interview, Uh, I talked to all
thirty two. I think it's probably like growing sixty in
fifteen fifteen minutes something like that. So I got talking
to all of them. Though I feel like in the
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past there wasn't all thirty two teams talking to some
of these guys. It feels like because they haven't been
able to come to the campuses or whatnot, they're all
trying to let's let's zoom the whole profile and everybody
exactly now. Now. It does help though that again, you know,
you come in there, you measure with you know, seventy
two inch arms and uh and that's not even the wingspan.
Wingspans like two thirty or something. We took pictures of
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it here. But you know, you have the measurables. You're
somebody who had a good senior season or somebody who's
played kind of all around. You were all over the
defensive line there at Houston. UM, how do you think
you best project at the NFL? Where do you feel
most comfortable playing on defense? Uh? Yeah, I mean I'm
two seventy right now. I played to seventy this past season.
I dropped from to ninety from my sophomore season when
I was playing for But I mean I'm most comfortable
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on that right now. Really, UM like to seventy, so
I know, I know the in the league, like what
I've heard from scouts, gyms, coaches is all over like
outside back or just straight defensive end and and be
like a sub rusher at three tech. But um, you
know it's it's it's whatever they want me that really
I think I can. I'm pretty diverse versutil so it's
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just wherever they want me. Now, is it? Is it correct?
You talked about your two nineties sophomore season. Did I
do I have it correct? From seven sports that you
ate to seventeen when you got to Houston, Yeah, no,
I'll ate just under two forties. So but even still
had to explode from that to too. Was it just
growth spurt or were you just like pounding all the
carbohydrates for for a semester or what was that? I
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didn't really have an off season in high school, so
I finally got off season lifting, eating, got some nutrition this.
Uh so you know my off season in high school
is always basketball or baseball, so I never really had one.
When you go to something like the Senior Bowl, and
like you said, you haven't necessarily done the Combine or
the Pro Days yet, what was like the singular moment
where you're like, wow, I'm this close to following my
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my big dream of playing the NFL. Was there a
coach or coordinator that really stood out to you? And why,
you know, I heard I heard about you know, the
potential to be in the NFL someday coming out of
high school, just because like you know, the intangibles and stuff, um,
and then you know, you put the measurements on top
of it. So I think, but it really hit me
this past season senior year, like after I got COVID
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and I was just sitting just contemplating everything coming back
or leaving. But yeah, I think that's when it really
hit me was this past year and COVID, and then
I got to this point like every day it's just
you know, more closer and closer. So it's it's it's
it's a pretty crazy realization to come to. But was
there a coach or a coordinator that stood out to
your like, I am sitting this close to this person
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in the league. Yeah, Mike Mayock was with the with
the Raiders. It it's pretty cool. Yeah, So it was
pretty cool. Um, you know, just seeing them talking to everybody.
You know, you see GMS and stuff, and they're actually
interested in you and hearing from you. So, like I said,
this is a unique experience. I was just taking it
all in. Did you get to see Green while you're there?
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I didn't know. I didn't see didn't Mayok is equally intense.
Now you are training out here in first Go in
the Dallas area and you're talking about meeting with all
thirty two teams. How did how did your conversations with
Cowboys go? We are at Cowboys Center Trail obviously, but
how did that conversation go? And what would you think
about potentially playing here in the Dallas area. Yeah, I
met with the I met with them a few times.
I was there, Uh a few times. Cowboys fans, Yeah,
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they can't they It was good. It was a good interview.
Talk to them. Um shared everything, Like I said, my
life story. There's asking about me, my career, college career,
it's talking about experiences and uh yeah, so I mean
it's now it's Mike McCarthy, the guy that talked to you,
Will McClay, Dan quinn, the new defensive coordinator. Who would
you talk to? I talked to like all their scouts there,
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I think a few coaches, a lot of them, not
too many of them were talking. I was kind of
just getting riddled with questions and everything, so uh but yeah,
I mean they were there were There's a lot of
guys that are talking to me, so you know, I
was keeping in touch with them too. To go to
the University of Houston. Have the Cowboys talking to you. No,
Granted last season was kind of an outlier for them,
but what was it like to garner that interest where
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you didn't just talk to him? Once you talked to him?
How do you how many times? You say? Three times? Uh? Few?
So yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool, especially this being
Dallas Cowboys, America's team or whatever. But uh yeah, that
was my dad's team growing up, so we had a
bunch of Cowboys stuff in the in the in the alice. Uh.
He hasn't been too too too crazy about, you know,
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flaunting it this year, but uh yeah, I mean he's
a Cowboys fan. I was Cowboys fan growing up, you know,
in Texas, and then came became more of like a
Houston Texas fan as I kind of grew into my own.
But uh yeah, it's pretty unique experience. It's pretty awesome.
But defensive player did you love for the Cowboys growing
up Marcus Lawrence. Oh really yeah, there you go to
him a lot. Uh. Now you think you've talked to
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him a lot? Did d law I have his We
texted a few times as cool back. Yeah, so it's
it's pretty cool hearing from him. Now. You you've mentioned
how much you've grown. We talked about the big growth
spurt you went through. You never really had an off
season until he got to college. So there there's probably
a lot of rooms still to grow that that teams
probably look jingle like. Man, there's a lot of potential
here because you know, even what he is now we've
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got some some room to mold him a little bit.
What do you think it is that you still most
need to improve on as as you enter this next level. Yeah,
I think that a lot of coaches are like high
on me just because I am kind of like Clay. Uh,
you know, I'm kind of kind of raw, you know,
new to especially the position of defensive events. So uh,
just getting better with my technique, um, hand placement, using
my hands more, keep keep working on flexibility, keep getting
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better at bending even though you know I have made
strides there, but just keep getting better. At the small
stuff so I can be successful at the next level.
Have you seen Jerald McCoy up here? Uh? Yeah, I have.
We we talked a little bit too. We were talking
about about some football to aile he's doing is he
was given. I was up here one day when he
was giving some good secret knowledge that I had to
turn the camera off for. But he h yeah, he's
he's dropping the good out. Has that been really beneficial
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to being around to be, you know, be able to
be or not just to Gerald McCoy TX, but these
other big prospects and get to trained with them and
kind of talk ball with them. Yeah, for sure. It's
funny because everybody's saying the same thing. They just speak
different languages. So just chopping it up with them and
and just learning from them and just sharing knowledge and everything.
But it's always not to talk to like, you know,
g Mac or whoever, you know, whether it's a few
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league guys that hit me up or I hit up
and just talk to them, especially guys that came from
you of h. So now we won't keep you. I
do want to ask him one question we just got. Yeah,
we gotta make sure we don't we don't have miss training. Well,
we're talking about the intangibles here, yell at both of us.
Where does that come from? Is your dad a large guy? Like? Yeah,
my parents are both big as you can imagine. So
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like when you came out like it was l o
I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. He came out
with a arms locker exactly. Yeah. You know, I'm almost
pushing when I came out. Yeah, I mean my parents
are big, and you know, I was a big athlete
coming coming in um, coming out of like high school,
every every school really, whether it be elementary and middle school,
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high school. So did they meet in college where they
both play sports? Like, give me, give me, give me
the measurements. A matter of fact, my mom's from Montana
and she grew up on a ranch, four sisters, a brother.
My dad's from Marshall, Texas. He played junior college football.
He's a running back, so I can play running back
to can't do it all. Yeah, but my mom played
basketball at Montana State University. Uh. But a matter of fact,
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that they met on a basketball court in Houston on
a blacktop outside one day and they just you know happily.
Ever ever said that is awesome. I love that now
we'll we'll finish up here with a couple just quick
questions because like I said, I know, we gotta get
you to training. We're not trying to get in trouble. Yes,
because like I said, Tuck and I was Jane and
I will off the hill yell at. So if you
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weren't doing football, what would you be pursuing basketball? Basketball?
What about a way from athletics? What would you be doing? Um?
I mean my plan is whenever football is over is
just uh you know, I got my business management degree, um,
graduated with that from you of h but i'd going
to oil and gas and energy management. Hey you wanna
end up with the Cowboys. Just just mentioned to Jerry say, hey,
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I'm an oil man myself. That's that's where I'm at.
Jerry just invested in all that stuff that Jalen Smith,
how's the clear eye view with the sunglasses. But oil
and gas that's where that's where you get to that man,
that's where you get That's where Jerry made of money.
You hit Jerry right there in the heart. You start
there you go. So what are you listening to to
hype yourself up before a game? Uh? Anything? Really I'm
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messing some drakes, some future, some young thugs, you know,
some some some some wrap. But you're trying to you're
trying to get something like hyping you up right, because
like I've talked to a couple of guys who they're like,
they actually want some mellow. They don't want to get
too out of control. I mean, it's kind of a
build up. You don't want to like, you know, come
straight out out the bed and just be jamming chief
key or anything. But yeah, I mean it's a build up.
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You know. I listen to some songs, just enjoy good music,
and then you know, before the game, we try to
get turned cheesiest song on your playlist or most the
one that you would tell somebody went through its are
like like the the one you wouldn't want to own
up to that's on your plane. Growing up in the nineties, LFO,
I'll put when I say handsome too, these guys now
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their moms and dad's know what I'm talking about. Em
I mean Einem. I mean, I mean Eminem has been
embarrassing for about fifty years. But if you're talking about
like slim shady LPM, and there's nothing embarrassing when I
started becoming the same age as some of these prospects mothers,
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that's when I knew, like you know, I had, I
wasn't speaking the same language. Haley Haley Eminem's daughter. She's
turn twenty six this year. That's how That's how much
times going by? Are you at an early birder and idel?
I'm early bird? I mean I can stay over. You're
kind of forced to doing that, Yeah, especially especially when
you're training. I mean I've always been up in the morning.
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I gotta imagine two with the mom that grew up
on the ranch, like she didn't suffer no fools, Like
you're getting up early, You're making bead Like do I
have a good read on that? Yeah, yeah, for sure,
for sure. Well. Peyton Turner is a defense event from Houston.
You will undoubtedly hear his name. They're on Draft weekend
and you can follow him on Twitter at pt Underscore
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Turner Payton. We appreciate you, man, thank you so much.
Joining us now. Is our good friend, our longtime buddy,
Brandon Tucker from Trench Warfare Training. You can follow him
on Twitter at t w F T Training or t
w F Training. I can't ever remember t w F training.
I'm just I'm so used to wanting to go with
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the it's just about t w F T and then
I think there's training on it, but you'll find it.
Just start typing in t w F T and I'm
sure it'll it'll show up. Talk how you doing, I'm well,
how are you? I'm good? Can skip up to the
mike a little bit. I'm gonna be honest every time
I see him. When when he actually sits down with us,
he's like so warm and engaging. But when I walked
out and saw you go into the drills like you
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you are scary man, SMA, I was like, he's not
scared everybody. I'll tell you what may This is a
funny story. I had my son up at Exos back
in October and uh Tuck was coming up here that
day and we were out back with Clay Mac and
uh Tuck came up to the gate and I didn't
see Nobody saw come up to the gate with all
his bags except my son. And my son looks and
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doesn't know who he is. It's just like, oh, there's
somebody there. Then Tuck eventually sets everything down and opens
the gate and here he goes Bobby, who is this man?
I was like, guess, my son, He's like, man, this
this boy just looked at me. It was like, I'm
not helping that man at the gate. I'm like and
he my son just like frozen, was like I didn't know.
It's like he's just screwing with you. Relaxed, He's just
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messing it. But you want your defensive lineman to be
a little scary too, though, with the line of scrimmage, right, sure,
sure you want that, you want that aggression that And
now we've talked to you before. You you've worked with
a ton of guys around the league, a ton of
guys specifically with the Cowboys. UM, we'll talk about some
of these guys that you're working with pre draft. But
I know somebody that everybody got really excited about and
and his growth during the season was Neville Gallup Are
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that Neville felt like I think people thought he was
a little behind the curve when he first started that.
I was like, Okay, what's up with this guy? And
there was some disappointment, but then you saw it. It
was exciting because you got to see it week by
week and starting to really put things together. Um, talk
a little bit about Neville's progress and in general what
you think, uh, they can expect of him, fans can
expect of him heading in the next year. So Neville
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grew tremendously um throughout this season, and it was a
group effort. UM, So myself, all then Smith, and Gerald
McCoy um really really kind of came together independently to
to to shorten that learning curve with with Neville. So
for instance, on Tuesdays I would go sit with all
the and Neville at all this house and we would
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you know, look at film and visit and really talk
to him about what he should be doing versus what
he was doing. Um. And then and then Gerald would
reinforce those same things. And by mid season you saw
the difference. He started to play with his hands. Before
he was he was just running through gaps. First is
being able to play with his hands and then shed
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blockers right. So Um, there was a tremendous growth with
with Neville UM and it was a collective effort. So
he would have been more better like at the beginning
of the season where he was at, he would have
been better prepared if this was still a Rod Marrionelle defense.
Where it's get up, field go. But when it came
down to a more technique and push Pole and two gaping,
that's where he read it a little bit more issue.
So he would have fit perfectly in in Rod's defense.
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Um and in fairness to Neville, this was almost gonna
be like a red shirt year for him. He was
not expected to play as much as he did so
with injuries to Gerald and in Tristan and then Pole
not working out than ever and Griffin getting correction, what
is that four guys are basically in front of him
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and then he's thrust into it. I mean, so yeah,
he baptism by fire for him this year. Were you
disappointed with the play of the defensive line given the talent? Now,
as you said, to be fair Gerald McCoy going down.
I really think even seeing him up here the few
times that I've been here, this is the second time
I've been here, second time i've seen him, and I've
heard he's been up here pretty consistently. The feedback always
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gets he's so good working with other guys, So I
think losing him from a talent standpoint, but also a
locker room standpoint was disappointing. And then as we talked
the injuries and the fluctuation on the defensive line. But
with that being said, were you disappointed that this group
sort of underperformed given that you know some of the
talent of the guys. So that's a really loaded question.
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I don't want to get you in trouble here, but
just knowing the talent as as working with these guys
and being a talent of value. And like I said,
there was injuries, it was a COVID season, But is
there I guess the better let me walk you out
of this one that I walked into. Given the given
the talents of some of these guys, should fans be
optimistic about this group next year? Absolutely? I think guys
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scheme wise, weren't put in position for them to really
play at the level that that they're able to play at.
Um So, I think it had more to do with
scheme then guys not playing well. Um So, they went
from an even front four down to now three down.
Pretty much everyone's alignment changed. They had guys standing up
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that were used to being in three point stances. They
had guys that were used to playing outside playing inside,
and so the scheme with it being COVID with the
lack of preparation no O T A S. I don't
think they were able to just fully grasp the concepts
of what was gonna be asked for them. And so
you saw the injury result um with below average team play.
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And I think that was more scheme than players. So
not really disappointed, um, but kind of like a head
shaking moment, like there was it was like Murphy's law.
But what I used that term a lot last year. Yeah,
I mean you couldn't have predicted. I mean, it's one
thing to lose your quarterback, who literally is the quarterback
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of this team, like both from a coaching standpoint, but
also you know, the leadership standpoint, losing him was big.
And then like I said, we you know, we talked
about some of the stuff defensively which we haven't ever
really sort of marinated in. But there were a lot
If people knew the full complexities of what went on
last year, you'd actually be impressed at this group played
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the way they did. Still towards the end of the
I think it says a lot about their mental makeup,
is my point. Yeah, they the last five or these
games they were playing in spite of right, So it
was you know what I think it was. You know what,
this isn't who we are as individuals and as a team.
You know, so we're gonna do whatever we can, you know,
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to to write the thing. But there was a lot
of things that went on were just amazing last year.
And again, I want to be fair when I'm asking
you certain questions here because obviously you have relationships with
these guys that I don't want to break and ask
you to break or walk you into that. But knowing
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what you know, working with so many guys up here
and over the years, can Cowboy fans feel confident that
there's playmakers on the defensive line without question, without question? Um,
the young talent that they have with with with Neville
in Tristan on the inside, Um, they're they're gonna be
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treated there. Um. If the Cowboys bring Gerald back, now
you're talking about betteran leadership on the inside. Um, if
they bring back Alden you know, you know, so there,
DeMarcus is still there, Randy Gregory. Randy greg Right. So
with the scheme being different, um, and the way the
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season ended last year, the way they played, I think
it'd be eas be very excited and optimisic about how
they'll play as a union. Now. One of the guys
we did mention there was Tristan, hell guy I know
you you worked with and a guy who was playing well.
He was one of the kind of bright spots before
he got hurt. Um. I I know that he's recovering,
hoping to have a big you know, come back here
in one. Are you guys gonna be working together this
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offseason and definitely building on that stuff. Definitely, definitely. I
talked to Tristan last week. Um, he's he's almost ready
to go. Um, it's it's back in the lab, um
and build on what he did last year. What's wild
is that he had the year that he had, given
the struggles that he had with what seemed like this
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cohesive group with Rod Marinelli and and the guys, and
then was able to turn the corner and what was
a more challenging year. Yeah, so I can. I know
Tristan wouldn't mind me sharing. Um. It was a bad
room for him. It was a bad room for him.
He came in with the mindset of, you know, I
was techn lead the cowboy's first round pick, and you
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know I'm the main and he immediately was hit with no,
you're not welcome to the NFL, Phil, And so he
he had some growing and maturing to do. He did,
and then when the coaching staff changed, he had a
fresh start and he took he took advantage of it.
I think it says something that he was responsive though,
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you know that he was able to look inward and say,
you know, maybe some of the problems here, A lot
of guys don't do that. We've seen that in Dallas. No.
I think there was a lot of growth there. And
ye know that you mentioned that there have been issues
in the past of guys who who didn't take the
responsibility and weren't willing to grow, and that was something
that I thinking. But he was excited about and I
think they could see it. Um. Even Tristan, he'll talk
to the media, he said that he viewed this as
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you know, a fresh start and a chance at ah,
you know, second chance at the first impression essentially. Um,
how much do you think that is a going to
be an additional challenge for him though that we're talking
about three years and three defensive schemes that he's having
to jost too. Now, it's a great point. I didn't
think of it though. Way, that is a great point. Um,
you know what, it's a it's a fresh start again, right.
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So this time though, the expectations are there because he
showed everyone what he was capable of. And so I
think I think the new staff coming in, the new
the new d line coach and and coordinator. Right, they
switched British. That's amazing too, right, Alb and I were
talking about that last night. Um, but he definitely has
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a fresh start, um to be able to come in
and show those guys what he showed the previous staff,
which is extreme athleticism and and burst. I mean he's
his athleticism burst and strength is is incredible. You obviously
this is your specialty. So I love when I can
just ask the questions and and stay in my lane.
So obviously you've worked with a lot of guys different teams,
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you get them ready for the draft. What has been
your impression of Dan Quinn over the years and what
do you think he's going to bring to this cowboyslocker?
Him and Joe specifically energy, right, energy that their defenses
played with with a lot of energy. Um, you know
that that that Atlanta team that they made it to
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the Super Bowl, super energetic on defense, guys flew around. Um.
I think it's gonna be a really good fit, um
for the talent that they have here. Did I answered
the question? No, I was curious about that. You know, again,
I haven't We haven't been able to talk to the guys.
We will, you know obviously as we get closer, you know,
to O, T. A s and things like that, but
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I haven't really gotten a sense of what they even
think of the guys. So I just wanted to be
fair here, given your interactions from Afar or even personally
up dan Quinn, what Cowboy fans can expect from him
and his defense. Yeah, they're they're excited, right, they're excited.
I think everyone has has a point to prove. They
think that they need to show that last year was
an anomaly, right that That's not what Cowboy for about.
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It's about it was a weird one. I mean, you
don't go from middle of the pack defensively to all
time one, all time work. It was. It was pretty
tough along all levels of the defense last year, you know,
kind of putting it together a little bit there at
the end, like you say, taking some I was just
gonna say. I thought what really stood out to me though,
was that Jerry and Stephen say what you will about
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the coaching staff, that they were able to admit that
there was a problem there and make the change immediately.
We've never seen them move on from a coach after
one year, and it felt like they were very receptive
to their locker room and receptive to what was lacking
there and too and what we've been talking about here
going out and getting guys that again, this is just
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my opinion, are going to be more responsive to the
coaching style that comes with Dan Quinn. In that group
that was that was un cowboysque, right, and that happened
that quick. But I think there was there was one voice.
Everyone kept saying the same thing, and when the entire
team is saying the same thing, at some point, as
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as as ownership, you have to say, Okay, what's going on.
So when we look at the next generation of players
here and now you're working with guys that a few
different locations, Michael Johnson performance here at Exos, a Pack
and Fort Worth. One of the guys that I'm really
pumped about that I know you're working with is Marvin Wilson,
Texas boy Florida State. Uh, guy who was at the
Senior Bowl recently. Uh, what do you I mean with
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the Cowboys still looking for d line guys and still
looking for guys potentially in the middle, what would Marvin
bring to to a team. Oh, he'd be he'd fit
here beautifully right. And an interesting story about him. I
got a chance to coach against him in high school. Um,
he was down at Bellary Episcopal and I was coaching
at the Episcopal School of Dallas. And he was the
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number one defensive line in the country. And he didn't
play in the game against us, but looking at him
on film, he would just beat teams up by himself. Um,
went down to Florida State and had, you know, a
really good collegiate career. And when I got him almost
a month ago, now a little longer than a month ago. Um,
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he looks fantastic. You know, he looks fantastic. He moves well,
he's strong, he's an earth mover. He'll said, he'll move
trees for you. And and and he's very athletic and
has a great motor. Uh. And so he's a prototypical
three technique. Uh. In the NFL. As long as he
stays healthy, he should have a ten plus your career tuck.
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How prepared are these guys, like some that haven't had
a you know, a final season or opted out because
of COVID or you know, didn't get that real classroom
and then the field work that they typically get. What
kind of players are you getting and what are these
scouts now dealing? I would imagine your phone is ringing
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off the hook and your are valuable than ever. But
what how raw are these guys? Some of them are
very um, some of them are very especially the guys
that opted out. UM. For instance, I have Tyler self
in here from l s U and he's been here
since October, right, UM, and so keeping him keeping him
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engaged right through this extremely long process at that point,
you know, when he would normally be doing football practice.
You know, obviously we can get him here and and
take care of any ailments that he has, and UM,
make sure that he's in shape and he's doing the
things that he would normally do if he was in
a team setting. UM is one challenge, but again it's
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the it's keeping him engaged right here in a different place.
You're away from home, away from your brothers, your way
from right and so that was the end of its
COVID right. So there was a lot of challenges, but um,
the staff here at at Xos as a fantas ask
job m j P. You do a fantastic job, and
so does so does the APEX staff with this elongated
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uncertain process that we're dealing with right now. But yeah,
it's it's been different, for sure. I gotta think that
these guys are going to be it's there's gonna be
sort of this learning curve, but once they get in
the system, they're gonna be so ahead because they've been
approaching this as if it's their career. You know. I
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think that there's sometimes it's a judgment adjustment from college
and then you know, like December guys think they're typically
immediately training for and it's it's quick training. Before you
get to the combine. You're working on the fundamentals. You're like,
they may not have the live game action. I think
their bodies are a little bit fresher, and again they're
getting they're getting back to technique, which is I feel
like something like with Neville you had to work on
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at an accelerated rate. Especially with COVID coming to the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah,
Neville and I got ran off a couple of fields
to Nevill who also played football and camp of the
high school foot like I mean, there's a whole bunch
of differences for him, right and and and just to
backtrack a little bit, that's why Neville would have fits
so well and Mary Nelly's scheme because at Oh you
go with coach Thibodeau, it was just run through gaps,
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um and then and then and as a as a
position coach, my job is to to close that gap,
right um, and then we have to take in account
the scheme that they're gonna play in. So it's important
is this process is for these guys in pre draft.
Once they get picked up by their respective team and
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they understand what their scheme is gonna be, now it's
time for us to really close the gap and teach
them how to play within their scheam, especially if it's
something they hadn't played in prior to go into the
to the NFL. Well, and I know, uh, we're we're
keeping it from lunch, but I do want one more
thing that Jane brought it up like a second ago
about how they get to focus on the fundamentals. And
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this is just a cool thing that I think people
would want to hear about. The first time I was
out here, uh and Tuck was working with Tyler Shelvin,
that I heard Tuck ask him, Yeah, you wanna get
that ring off hand? Tyler. Tyler Shelvin had when I
when he first walked up to him. Uh, Tuck said,
you know, have you been using your non dominant hand?
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Like what? And so Tuck actually has Tyler shelth to
get him and get guys used to use in their
left hand more than he's got, like Tyler Shelvin eating
dinner with his left hand and brushing his teeth with
his left hand, trying trying to get more used to that.
So if you're if you're in college and you're a stud,
most of the time, your your d line coach is
gonna just let you do what you need to do
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to be successful. And I need for guys to be
ballast and amidextrous. And so if you're right handed and
everything you do is right handed, I need for you
to begin to use your left hand, which is most
people's non dominant and and you know, I asked him
to know which hand do you eat with? And everyone
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and says their right hand, and don't ask a couple
more questions, and I'll come back and I say, well,
when you go to the bathroom, have a bout movement
number two, which hand do you use to send yourself?
And when they say their right hand, and that's the
same hand that they eat with it. And there's there's
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the inset up to go ahead and start eating with
your left hand. Let's let's use our non dominant hand
for some things right And so if you're able to
use your hand, your non dominant hand to eat and
write and brush your teeth, when it's time to work moves,
when it's time to get into a left hand stance,
it's thinking about it. You want to be able to
get into a left hand stance if you're right handed,
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so you're right hand is free and ready to go.
But most guys are gonna put their right hand down
and then come off and then work the move. And
so if you're on the if you're on the right
side of the line, your left hand is down, your
right hands up, and vice versa. You need be able
to be balancing use both parents and future baseball players
go out of their way to make sure their kids
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are left handed because they want to love to hand adventure,
and that's the opposite. So I'm gonna age myself a
little bit. I'm a child to the seventies. Most kids,
if they start to use their left hand, their parents
would stop them and make them use their right hand.
And so now I've got to figure out if they're
left side dominant or right side dominant, because you teach
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those guys different, right, It's just like a visual learner
versus an auditory learner, right, And so that's how we train,
That's how we how we teach guys. And yeah, man, great, great, great,
h great point Bob, that's part of that. That's part
of the process. Though. Do you know what I love though,
not only working with Bobby during this time of the year,
because he is I He's like a simvalant. He's like
(47:46):
a rain man as it relates to these guys. I mean,
he loves it, and I feed off that energy. It's
like you get done with the NFL seas and you
kind of want to take a break, but then I
come up here and you guys are always so accommodating,
and I appreciate the access because even as a reporter,
I'm always looking to be a sponge and learned stuff
and I just love taking in what you guys do.
So as you're teaching them, I feel like I'm learning
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and I appreciate that access. Oh, thank thank you for coming.
I appreciate it and enjoy having you. I mean, this
is and now you unless you eat him with her
right hand. Yeah, now, girls don't do that. Guys, you
know that that's that's right. I forgot that. It doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen. Brandon Tucker from Tread's Warfare Training. As
I said, you can follow them on Twitter at t
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w F Training and U Tuch. We appreciate you man,
thank you for having me. Thank you, Bob, thank you Jane.
We are not done yet. If you can't tell, we
are incredibly enthusiastic about talking to these guys, and we
will continue to talk to these guys. If there's anyone
that you want to hear from, shout out to us.
We'll see if we can't. If they're not here in
the Dallas area, we'll see if we can't get them
(48:48):
on the podcast, especially as we find out who the
Cowboys have taught to and we find that in a
couple of ways, of course, through the players, the agents,
and even the team itself exactly exactly exactly so as
we've find out all that information, I know you guys
are football hungry. I've been football hungry, and we're not
even that far removed from the super Bowl. But stay
with us. We'll keep bringing you the content
Hello, Boys and girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys, NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
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from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. All Right,
I'm sort of loving that while people are focused on
the Super Bowl and last season, Bobby, you and I
are now focused towards the new season. We're turning the page.
We're excited about the new guys that are entering the
league and doing so once again in a sort of
different world as it relates to the combine and access
(00:45):
to players, and shout out to you, Shout out to
EXOS for laying the groundwork for some of this. The
access that we've received up here and the ability to
talk to so many of these guys that you're going
to hear their names in the first and second rounds
of the draft has been remarkable, and you're gonna start
hearing a lot of their names a lot more in
the coming weeks as other reporters sort of get their
(01:07):
hands on them in virtuals. But we are getting sort
of this um again while everyone's sort of focused over there,
We've got them here. It's like my wife does these
Divine consign those uh those mommy sales on a weekend
and grape Vine and if you if you work it,
you get the like the pre sale and the workers
get to go in and shop like three hours before.
(01:28):
We're basically, uh, the the pre sale shoppers at the
Divine Consign here and at Exos and Frisco. And I'm
obsessed with it because what I love the most about
my job is a few things, developing relationships to the players,
getting to know their why and what's their purpose. And
I've had so many questions, and we talked about this
in last episode. How did these guys stay engaged? How
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hard was it to watch football at the college level
getting played while some of them decided to stay in
Frisco and and approach this like it was a career. Um,
How how did they handle some of the challenges that
came with this year? And I've walked away so far
legitimately impressed with some of these guys. And I think
more importantly, we're getting little nuggets about who the Cowboys
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are sort of talking to and are interested. I think
that's fascinating. Again, it's early on and as we've talked
to these players, especially with the Senior Bowl, they've talked
to all thirty two teams. I think in the past
it might be ten teams, twelve teams. Do you're consolidating
a little bit more, You're you're trying to delegate your
but yeah, this year, they they got to talk to everybody.
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You've got to gather as much intel as possible. So
we're not gonna ask all the questions that the gms
and the coaches are. Bobby always does a really good
job of finding out with some of them them have
asked and so we'll sprinkle them in, uh to our interview,
so you can kind of feel like you're a fly
on the wall there. But really interesting guys, and like
I said, we've got one of them in this episode.
(02:56):
Peyton Turner's just wingspan. I know, it's it's insane the
way he I mean, he looks as big as an airplane. Yeah.
Today it's it's as we mentioned, Peyton Turner from Houston,
William Bradley King from Baylor, and Brandon Tucker from Trench
Warfare Training. So we can jump into all that and
you guys can get a look at some of the
prospects the Cowboys might be considering and to what the
palettes too of the Cowboys fans. Like I said I've
(03:17):
been talking about, at some point we'll deep dive into
some of the complexities as it related to why that
defense played as poorly as they did. And I think
when we kind of opened it up at some point,
the fans are going to be I think encouraged by
the mental makeup of this team and how they played
through a lot of the things that I think that
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if other coaching staffs around the league knew what was
going on would be shocking to them as well. And
again we'll get into that a little bit further down
the line. As we talked about this new coaching sound,
we'll get into some of it today. Brandon Tuckers got
some good insight on how those guys fought and so
so that'll be some good information and he works with
some of those guys. Get a point and bring that
(04:00):
up is there is a reason to be enthusiastic Cowboys
fans about this defense despite what we saw from it
last year. So stay tuned for this episode. A lot
of good, a lot of good information here. Joining us
now is Baylor defensive end William Bradley King goes by
b K. Actually it's much easier, uh, and you can
(04:21):
follow him on Twitter at will got the sack? Uh
b K. How you doing, man, I'm doing good. Thanks
for having me. Absolutely so. You're one of the guys
that we talked to a few guys last week, but
it was a little more empty here at Exos because
of course Senior Bowl, and you were one of the
guys who was out there. How did that experience go?
How was how is everything that came out of that?
It's it's a difficult ear with the combine being canceled
(04:41):
being a little different. So what kind of benefit do
you think you got out of that and how you performed? Yeah?
I loved I loved it. Um. I feel like the
opportunity was one of con especially with COVID, you know, uh,
it messes with players mentally and uh you know, of
course physically, but you know, was mentally and physically prepared
for the Ford and I gave it all I got. Now,
(05:06):
you're somebody who you started out your career over at
Arkansas State and then transferred over the Taylor Why did
you choose to go with Baylor? Baylor just because Dave A.
Randa his defensive mind. Um, what Baylor did this season before, Um,
the scheme he was bringing over. You know, I wanted
to prove the NFL teams that I was a valuable
football player. And you know that's what David Randa let
(05:29):
let me do. I played outside linebacker, you know, dropping
covers sometimes, put my hand in the dirt, played off
the edge, and uh rushed out of a four eye
and a three technique. Where did you start to see
your game really improved? Though? Um? Just just well David
Ranna he was more like a mentally challenging coach, So
I feel like he he helped me become even more
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mental tougher. And then uh, just seeing the game from
his point of view, because he teaches the game like
you're pro. So you know, he just helped me understand
football even more and help my football. IQ. Who were
some of the teams that you talked to a Senior Bowl?
I talked to a two teams. Oh you did, No,
that's impressive. Do you think it was? Again? You don't
have anything to gauge this against because it's such a
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different year. With COVID. Do you think that that would
have happened in years past? Was it was a more
intimate environment there, Yeah, it was. It was very intimate. UM.
We had we had like pods set up, so we
had like twenty minute sessions with East team. UM interviews
last hit almost four hours, but you know it was
worth it. Now one of those we know you're training
(06:34):
out here obviously in the Dallas area. So how did
your conversation with the count And obviously we don't want
you to give away too much or whatever, but how
did that conversation go? And how did you feel about
the Cowboys? Yeah, I want to play in the NFL.
That that's been my dream since I was six years old.
But you know, the conversation it went really well. UM,
any NFL team that wants to pay me, you know,
I but yeah, it was. It was a great conversation.
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What is it that most teams were without scuse obviously,
who was wanting to know what? But I mean, what
is it? Most teams were we're wanting to know about you?
That they were saying, Hey, we we got this question
about you, and this is what we'd like to We'd
like to get your perspective on what was it that
you think teams most wanted to know about you? Um,
they really wanted to know why I transferred, you know, um,
you know I was playing I was playing chess, not checkers.
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They wanted to know, you know, just my football que
They wanted to know what type of person I was,
and they really wanted to, you know, see if I
could pass rush, if I could if I could get
home to the quarterback. Now, you mentioned that you kind
of bounced around, you did some four iy, you were
outside and playing all over the place. Where do you
feel your best fit is at the next level on
the edge. That's where you want to be. Just pin
your ears back, go wide nine, hyde nine, loose six there.
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Would you feel comfortable standing up though and rushing in
the three four? But just in general, you want to
you want to rush off the edge, whether that's standing
up in a three four or hand in the ground
in a four three. Yes, so I can do both,
all right? Because we are the Boys and Girls podcast
and we covered the Cowboys again. I don't want to
ask you what questions they asked you, But who did
you talk to from the Cowboys staff? Was it Dan Quinn?
(08:05):
Was stand there. Yeah, I don't recall you saw you
saw he was a large man with a bald head. Yeah.
I talked to so many people like I couldn't tell
you who I talked to it I'm not gonna lie.
But I did talk to the Dallas Cowboys. That's great. Now,
the Cowboys do need defensive help, as you know. Oh gosh, yeah,
I know they're They're in a great deal, but especially
(08:26):
coming off the edge there. Now, when you look at
one of the things that I know, I'm just talking
to scouts and you talked to coaches and stuff. One
of your favorite questions ask guys is like, why do
you love ball? And at sounds like a simple question,
but to them tells them so much about a guy
and what it is that drives him. So if teams
ask you that question, they say, you know, b K,
why do you love ball? What's your answer to them?
I mean, I'm driven because of my mother. Um, you
(08:48):
know she's going through some personal issues. But you know
I love ball just because, Um you know, I love competing.
You know, I love that one on one battle. Um,
you know I'm a competitor. I don't I don't let
my sister when anything, you know, that's what I love
to do. Where did your love of the game come from?
And when did you know you were special? Um? My
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love of the game came from I think the camaraderie. Um,
all my friends played football, so you know, I just
love being around all my friends. At one point, I
was kind of the only child, so you know, it's
just me, so you know, just being around the guys competing,
you know, seeing that I could I could be better. Um,
it just it just intrigued me. And I always loved
(09:31):
the game. I always knew I loved the game. And yeah,
was there a signature game for you in high school
or college where you're like I think everyone at some
point knows when they're uniquely suited for certain loftier goals,
right like Elon Musk. I love when his mother said
I knew he was a genius. I just didn't know
if that genius was going to translate to Tesla and
(09:53):
what he does now or if he was gonna end
up in the basement. There's a lot of really gifted
football players that come through high school and college. But
when was this signature moment for you that you thought
I'm gonna make it there one day, I'm gonna be something. Yeah,
I don't know. I really think it was just my
worth etic Um. You know, I kind of figured out that.
(10:13):
You know, it wasn't a secret recipe to being a
good football players, just hard work. So you know I
always worked hard. You know, I always like whenever I
had a goal, I always would figure out a way
to get to it. So you know, it's just always
been my goal. Um. You know, I was always confident. Uh,
Arkansas State, I had a I had a really good
game against you NLV. I had two sacks. You know,
(10:34):
I thought I was a big time You know I wasn't,
but you know that was probably a highlight of my career.
And then, um, I played. I played really well against
West Virginia, great, played really good against Texas, really good
against US. Really I got the long hard shirt on Oklahoma,
and you know, I just I just always believed in
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myself and just always felt like I was him. Now,
before we hit you some rapid fire, get to now
your questions. I know, your guy who who wants to
take his platform and do bigger things with it at
the next level. What are some of your plans to
to kind of give back and and make a difference
once you get to the next level. Yeah, um, I
already have like non for profit UM ideas, um operation,
(11:16):
don't hold back, like don't hold back to help. You know,
it's still it's still in a U in a in
a running right now in the making. And um, you know,
I just want to I want to give back, you know,
I want to give have school drives, you know, just
mentor kids, you know, stuff like that, people that um,
you know was kind of raised like me without a
father figure and stuff. So you know, I want to
just really help help younger kids. Give me a little
(11:38):
insight into that, because you don't have to share what
your mother is going through through if you don't want.
But I love that your wise is your mom. Yeah
what was it like growing up for you? And how
did that shape you? Yeah, I'm adopted by my aunt,
by my great great aunt, so she's kind of like
a grandmother. But um, you know that's my mom now.
She adopted me and my younger sister. I just had
(12:00):
to like, you know, grow up early, you know, and
they helped me realize, you know, what I wanted in life.
And um, you know, I just always attack what I wanted.
I love that. I know they're very, very proud of you.
Now as as people come to get to know a
little bit about you, we like to always finish if
ask a couple of different, like a little more lighthearted questions.
So when it comes to your pregame hype list and
(12:21):
you're trying to get in the zone, what's gonna be?
What are you gonna be listening to the people I name?
You're probably not gonna come on? Randall Cap told me
literally Batman's Kiss from a Rose Seal was his pregame. See,
I'm gonna listen to like some Detroit music, like some
Soide of Baby, some Srio, the Young o G guys
(12:42):
like that. That's going why Detroit specific. It's like you
got a family connection there or something. No, they just
do something called spice talking, so they like they just
talk any kind of way. So like that really just
give me going now? I feel like is this uh
it kind of what is the song where it's like
you can't star with the Eagles? I don't know if
(13:04):
you if you're if you're hanging out with chickens and
he's like talking about it, Well, there's like also this
like awesome track Beneath that. I'm my girlfriend. I love this,
like we want to get hype. We listen. It's not
Paul Wall it's a I'm just sitting here surprised that
at the fact that, like, you know, you're talking about Detroit,
but now I'm going to go there's been this chat
lately about Detroit style pizza now taking It's not like
(13:26):
I don't know what it is about Detroit. They're doing
great things since Dan Campbell got to the Lions. I
guess it's it's somehow credited to him. What did you
did you watch Dan Campbell's press conference when he talked
about like them off their kneecap its little intense. He
was a little intense. There is that? Is that a
guy that you're like, oh, I could go play for
that time like that? Yeah, you like that energy. That's
(13:49):
that's good. Now, since you are a big music guy. Uh.
We asked this of a couple of people, what would
you rather live without music or like television, movies, streaming
service stop stuff. So if you have to live with
out one for the rest of your life. See, that's
kind of hard because I'm a music guy that's gonna
get my day started. And then I like I like
the Netflix andce you. I like to watch movies. So
favorite movie on Netflix recently? Um, well, my favorite movie
(14:13):
on Netflix is probably the movie Impossible. I don't watch
that one yet. Who's in it? It's uh, well, I
think it's about the tsunami that that happened. Okay, there
you go. So yeah, that was a crazy movie. Had
my my blood pressure out of the the roof. I want
to watch that. I'm I've I've been on a documentary
ly HBO Max has this really good one on the
(14:34):
Heaven's Gate cult, which I think was a thing before
you were even born. I started a little bit. I
liked it. I liked it, but I mean, that's just
the crazier one was the guy that was carving his
initials into women, which now apparently staking headlines these days.
I digress. That's a little disturbing. H Now, are you
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a basketball guy? No, I'm not. I'm not at all.
I'm really a football guy. Football. Okay, with that all,
I'll throw a football. I'll throw a football game at
a football. Question at you and it's you may or
may not play Madden, but if you if you were
to hop on Matt a little bit. If you were
to hop on Madden next year and the guy that
you're playing happens to take the team that you play for,
and so you've got digital, you know b K. And
(15:15):
he scoops up a fumble. Are you gonna tackle him
and and try and be competitive and win the game.
Are you gonna let yourself get some shine and let
him score? I think I'm gonna let b K get
because let him get there. But I want to see him.
I want to see him do good. You'll try the
other fifty nine minutes. There you go? Well, uh well,
William Bradley King you can follow him on Twitter. It's
(15:37):
it's the best handle on Twitter. I think it's at
will got the sack and you can follow the p K.
We appreciate you, man, Thank you so much. Joining us
now is Houston defensive end Peyton Turner. You can follow
him on Twitter at pt underscore Turner nine eight. Peyton,
thanks so much for joining us for sure. Thanks for
having me now. You are. I think the chatter about
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you right now is you're considered a bit of a
riser that that people are like, Okay, this guy where
he burst onto the scene from and you had it.
You had a strong senior season, You came in at
the Senior Bowl, measured really well, had good days of practice. Um,
talk about that experience at the Senior Bowl. How do
you think it helped you and and you know, just
in general, how that went, dealing with all the teams
and going through the practices. Yeah, the I mean, the
whole Senior Bowl experience this year was really unique, especially
(16:21):
in the fact that there's not an NFL combine really
this year, just medical So I mean, you know, getting
to talk to all the teams, scouts, GMS, coaches, it
was really nice. You know, put a put a face
to the name and you know, talk to him and
give talk to them about my family and my experience,
why I've had such a good season, you know, just
my whole career. It was really nice. Uh. You know,
and then you get to make some new friends, best
(16:43):
college football players in the country at the Senior Bowl.
So you know, it's nice. It's always It was really
really a great opportunity. How many interviews did you do
average time of each interview, Uh, I talked to all
thirty two. I think it's probably like growing sixty in
fifteen fifteen minutes something like that. So I got talking
to all of them. Though I feel like in the
(17:05):
past there wasn't all thirty two teams talking to some
of these guys. It feels like because they haven't been
able to come to the campuses or whatnot, they're all
trying to let's let's zoom the whole profile and everybody
exactly now. Now. It does help though that again, you know,
you come in there, you measure with you know, seventy
two inch arms and uh and that's not even the wingspan.
Wingspans like two thirty or something. We took pictures of
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it here. But you know, you have the measurables. You're
somebody who had a good senior season or somebody who's
played kind of all around. You were all over the
defensive line there at Houston. UM, how do you think
you best project at the NFL? Where do you feel
most comfortable playing on defense? Uh? Yeah, I mean I'm
two seventy right now. I played to seventy this past season.
I dropped from to ninety from my sophomore season when
I was playing for But I mean I'm most comfortable
(17:47):
on that right now. Really, UM like to seventy, so
I know, I know the in the league, like what
I've heard from scouts, gyms, coaches is all over like
outside back or just straight defensive end and and be
like a sub rusher at three tech. But um, you
know it's it's it's whatever they want me that really
I think I can. I'm pretty diverse versutil so it's
(18:08):
just wherever they want me. Now, is it? Is it correct?
You talked about your two nineties sophomore season. Did I
do I have it correct? From seven sports that you
ate to seventeen when you got to Houston, Yeah, no,
I'll ate just under two forties. So but even still
had to explode from that to too. Was it just
growth spurt or were you just like pounding all the
carbohydrates for for a semester or what was that? I
(18:28):
didn't really have an off season in high school, so
I finally got off season lifting, eating, got some nutrition this.
Uh so you know my off season in high school
is always basketball or baseball, so I never really had one.
When you go to something like the Senior Bowl, and
like you said, you haven't necessarily done the Combine or
the Pro Days yet, what was like the singular moment
where you're like, wow, I'm this close to following my
(18:53):
my big dream of playing the NFL. Was there a
coach or coordinator that really stood out to you? And why,
you know, I heard I heard about you know, the
potential to be in the NFL someday coming out of
high school, just because like you know, the intangibles and stuff, um,
and then you know, you put the measurements on top
of it. So I think, but it really hit me
this past season senior year, like after I got COVID
(19:14):
and I was just sitting just contemplating everything coming back
or leaving. But yeah, I think that's when it really
hit me was this past year and COVID, and then
I got to this point like every day it's just
you know, more closer and closer. So it's it's it's
it's a pretty crazy realization to come to. But was
there a coach or a coordinator that stood out to
your like, I am sitting this close to this person
(19:38):
in the league. Yeah, Mike Mayock was with the with
the Raiders. It it's pretty cool. Yeah, So it was
pretty cool. Um, you know, just seeing them talking to everybody.
You know, you see GMS and stuff, and they're actually
interested in you and hearing from you. So, like I said,
this is a unique experience. I was just taking it
all in. Did you get to see Green while you're there?
(19:59):
I didn't know. I didn't see didn't Mayok is equally intense.
Now you are training out here in first Go in
the Dallas area and you're talking about meeting with all
thirty two teams. How did how did your conversations with
Cowboys go? We are at Cowboys Center Trail obviously, but
how did that conversation go? And what would you think
about potentially playing here in the Dallas area. Yeah, I
met with the I met with them a few times.
I was there, Uh a few times. Cowboys fans, Yeah,
(20:21):
they can't they It was good. It was a good interview.
Talk to them. Um shared everything, Like I said, my
life story. There's asking about me, my career, college career,
it's talking about experiences and uh yeah, so I mean
it's now it's Mike McCarthy, the guy that talked to you,
Will McClay, Dan quinn, the new defensive coordinator. Who would
you talk to? I talked to like all their scouts there,
(20:44):
I think a few coaches, a lot of them, not
too many of them were talking. I was kind of
just getting riddled with questions and everything, so uh but yeah,
I mean they were there were There's a lot of
guys that are talking to me, so you know, I
was keeping in touch with them too. To go to
the University of Houston. Have the Cowboys talking to you. No,
Granted last season was kind of an outlier for them,
but what was it like to garner that interest where
(21:05):
you didn't just talk to him? Once you talked to him?
How do you how many times? You say? Three times? Uh? Few?
So yeah, but yeah, it's pretty cool, especially this being
Dallas Cowboys, America's team or whatever. But uh yeah, that
was my dad's team growing up, so we had a
bunch of Cowboys stuff in the in the in the alice. Uh.
He hasn't been too too too crazy about, you know,
(21:26):
flaunting it this year, but uh yeah, I mean he's
a Cowboys fan. I was Cowboys fan growing up, you know,
in Texas, and then came became more of like a
Houston Texas fan as I kind of grew into my own.
But uh yeah, it's pretty unique experience. It's pretty awesome.
But defensive player did you love for the Cowboys growing
up Marcus Lawrence. Oh really yeah, there you go to
him a lot. Uh. Now you think you've talked to
(21:48):
him a lot? Did d law I have his We
texted a few times as cool back. Yeah, so it's
it's pretty cool hearing from him. Now. You you've mentioned
how much you've grown. We talked about the big growth
spurt you went through. You never really had an off
season until he got to college. So there there's probably
a lot of rooms still to grow that that teams
probably look jingle like. Man, there's a lot of potential
here because you know, even what he is now we've
(22:08):
got some some room to mold him a little bit.
What do you think it is that you still most
need to improve on as as you enter this next level. Yeah,
I think that a lot of coaches are like high
on me just because I am kind of like Clay. Uh,
you know, I'm kind of kind of raw, you know,
new to especially the position of defensive events. So uh,
just getting better with my technique, um, hand placement, using
my hands more, keep keep working on flexibility, keep getting
(22:31):
better at bending even though you know I have made
strides there, but just keep getting better. At the small
stuff so I can be successful at the next level.
Have you seen Jerald McCoy up here? Uh? Yeah, I have.
We we talked a little bit too. We were talking
about about some football to aile he's doing is he
was given. I was up here one day when he
was giving some good secret knowledge that I had to
turn the camera off for. But he h yeah, he's
he's dropping the good out. Has that been really beneficial
(22:53):
to being around to be, you know, be able to
be or not just to Gerald McCoy TX, but these
other big prospects and get to trained with them and
kind of talk ball with them. Yeah, for sure. It's
funny because everybody's saying the same thing. They just speak
different languages. So just chopping it up with them and
and just learning from them and just sharing knowledge and everything.
But it's always not to talk to like, you know,
g Mac or whoever, you know, whether it's a few
(23:14):
league guys that hit me up or I hit up
and just talk to them, especially guys that came from
you of h. So now we won't keep you. I
do want to ask him one question we just got. Yeah,
we gotta make sure we don't we don't have miss training. Well,
we're talking about the intangibles here, yell at both of us.
Where does that come from? Is your dad a large guy? Like? Yeah,
my parents are both big as you can imagine. So
(23:35):
like when you came out like it was l o
I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. He came out
with a arms locker exactly. Yeah. You know, I'm almost
pushing when I came out. Yeah, I mean my parents
are big, and you know, I was a big athlete
coming coming in um, coming out of like high school,
every every school really, whether it be elementary and middle school,
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high school. So did they meet in college where they
both play sports? Like, give me, give me, give me
the measurements. A matter of fact, my mom's from Montana
and she grew up on a ranch, four sisters, a brother.
My dad's from Marshall, Texas. He played junior college football.
He's a running back, so I can play running back
to can't do it all. Yeah, but my mom played
basketball at Montana State University. Uh. But a matter of fact,
(24:19):
that they met on a basketball court in Houston on
a blacktop outside one day and they just you know happily.
Ever ever said that is awesome. I love that now
we'll we'll finish up here with a couple just quick
questions because like I said, I know, we gotta get
you to training. We're not trying to get in trouble. Yes,
because like I said, Tuck and I was Jane and
I will off the hill yell at. So if you
(24:39):
weren't doing football, what would you be pursuing basketball? Basketball?
What about a way from athletics? What would you be doing? Um?
I mean my plan is whenever football is over is
just uh you know, I got my business management degree, um,
graduated with that from you of h but i'd going
to oil and gas and energy management. Hey you wanna
end up with the Cowboys. Just just mentioned to Jerry say, hey,
(25:00):
I'm an oil man myself. That's that's where I'm at.
Jerry just invested in all that stuff that Jalen Smith,
how's the clear eye view with the sunglasses. But oil
and gas that's where that's where you get to that man,
that's where you get That's where Jerry made of money.
You hit Jerry right there in the heart. You start
there you go. So what are you listening to to
hype yourself up before a game? Uh? Anything? Really I'm
(25:24):
messing some drakes, some future, some young thugs, you know,
some some some some wrap. But you're trying to you're
trying to get something like hyping you up right, because
like I've talked to a couple of guys who they're like,
they actually want some mellow. They don't want to get
too out of control. I mean, it's kind of a
build up. You don't want to like, you know, come
straight out out the bed and just be jamming chief
key or anything. But yeah, I mean it's a build up.
(25:45):
You know. I listen to some songs, just enjoy good music,
and then you know, before the game, we try to
get turned cheesiest song on your playlist or most the
one that you would tell somebody went through its are
like like the the one you wouldn't want to own
up to that's on your plane. Growing up in the nineties, LFO,
I'll put when I say handsome too, these guys now
(26:08):
their moms and dad's know what I'm talking about. Em
I mean Einem. I mean, I mean Eminem has been
embarrassing for about fifty years. But if you're talking about
like slim shady LPM, and there's nothing embarrassing when I
started becoming the same age as some of these prospects mothers,
(26:30):
that's when I knew, like you know, I had, I
wasn't speaking the same language. Haley Haley Eminem's daughter. She's
turn twenty six this year. That's how That's how much
times going by? Are you at an early birder and idel?
I'm early bird? I mean I can stay over. You're
kind of forced to doing that, Yeah, especially especially when
you're training. I mean I've always been up in the morning.
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I gotta imagine two with the mom that grew up
on the ranch, like she didn't suffer no fools, Like
you're getting up early, You're making bead Like do I
have a good read on that? Yeah, yeah, for sure,
for sure. Well. Peyton Turner is a defense event from Houston.
You will undoubtedly hear his name. They're on Draft weekend
and you can follow him on Twitter at pt Underscore
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Turner Payton. We appreciate you, man, thank you so much.
Joining us now. Is our good friend, our longtime buddy,
Brandon Tucker from Trench Warfare Training. You can follow him
on Twitter at t w F T Training or t
w F Training. I can't ever remember t w F training.
I'm just I'm so used to wanting to go with
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the it's just about t w F T and then
I think there's training on it, but you'll find it.
Just start typing in t w F T and I'm
sure it'll it'll show up. Talk how you doing, I'm well,
how are you? I'm good? Can skip up to the
mike a little bit. I'm gonna be honest every time
I see him. When when he actually sits down with us,
he's like so warm and engaging. But when I walked
out and saw you go into the drills like you
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you are scary man, SMA, I was like, he's not
scared everybody. I'll tell you what may This is a
funny story. I had my son up at Exos back
in October and uh Tuck was coming up here that
day and we were out back with Clay Mac and
uh Tuck came up to the gate and I didn't
see Nobody saw come up to the gate with all
his bags except my son. And my son looks and
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doesn't know who he is. It's just like, oh, there's
somebody there. Then Tuck eventually sets everything down and opens
the gate and here he goes Bobby, who is this man?
I was like, guess, my son, He's like, man, this
this boy just looked at me. It was like, I'm
not helping that man at the gate. I'm like and
he my son just like frozen, was like I didn't know.
It's like he's just screwing with you. Relaxed, He's just
(28:37):
messing it. But you want your defensive lineman to be
a little scary too, though, with the line of scrimmage, right, sure,
sure you want that, you want that aggression that And
now we've talked to you before. You you've worked with
a ton of guys around the league, a ton of
guys specifically with the Cowboys. UM, we'll talk about some
of these guys that you're working with pre draft. But
I know somebody that everybody got really excited about and
and his growth during the season was Neville Gallup Are
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that Neville felt like I think people thought he was
a little behind the curve when he first started that.
I was like, Okay, what's up with this guy? And
there was some disappointment, but then you saw it. It
was exciting because you got to see it week by
week and starting to really put things together. Um, talk
a little bit about Neville's progress and in general what
you think, uh, they can expect of him, fans can
expect of him heading in the next year. So Neville
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grew tremendously um throughout this season, and it was a
group effort. UM, So myself, all then Smith, and Gerald
McCoy um really really kind of came together independently to
to to shorten that learning curve with with Neville. So
for instance, on Tuesdays I would go sit with all
the and Neville at all this house and we would
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you know, look at film and visit and really talk
to him about what he should be doing versus what
he was doing. Um. And then and then Gerald would
reinforce those same things. And by mid season you saw
the difference. He started to play with his hands. Before
he was he was just running through gaps. First is
being able to play with his hands and then shed
(30:03):
blockers right. So Um, there was a tremendous growth with
with Neville UM and it was a collective effort. So
he would have been more better like at the beginning
of the season where he was at, he would have
been better prepared if this was still a Rod Marrionelle defense.
Where it's get up, field go. But when it came
down to a more technique and push Pole and two gaping,
that's where he read it a little bit more issue.
So he would have fit perfectly in in Rod's defense.
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Um and in fairness to Neville, this was almost gonna
be like a red shirt year for him. He was
not expected to play as much as he did so
with injuries to Gerald and in Tristan and then Pole
not working out than ever and Griffin getting correction, what
is that four guys are basically in front of him
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and then he's thrust into it. I mean, so yeah,
he baptism by fire for him this year. Were you
disappointed with the play of the defensive line given the talent? Now,
as you said, to be fair Gerald McCoy going down.
I really think even seeing him up here the few
times that I've been here, this is the second time
I've been here, second time i've seen him, and I've
heard he's been up here pretty consistently. The feedback always
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gets he's so good working with other guys, So I
think losing him from a talent standpoint, but also a
locker room standpoint was disappointing. And then as we talked
the injuries and the fluctuation on the defensive line. But
with that being said, were you disappointed that this group
sort of underperformed given that you know some of the
talent of the guys. So that's a really loaded question.
(31:33):
I don't want to get you in trouble here, but
just knowing the talent as as working with these guys
and being a talent of value. And like I said,
there was injuries, it was a COVID season, But is
there I guess the better let me walk you out
of this one that I walked into. Given the given
the talents of some of these guys, should fans be
optimistic about this group next year? Absolutely? I think guys
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scheme wise, weren't put in position for them to really
play at the level that that they're able to play at.
Um So, I think it had more to do with
scheme then guys not playing well. Um So, they went
from an even front four down to now three down.
Pretty much everyone's alignment changed. They had guys standing up
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that were used to being in three point stances. They
had guys that were used to playing outside playing inside,
and so the scheme with it being COVID with the
lack of preparation no O T A S. I don't
think they were able to just fully grasp the concepts
of what was gonna be asked for them. And so
you saw the injury result um with below average team play.
(32:45):
And I think that was more scheme than players. So
not really disappointed, um, but kind of like a head
shaking moment, like there was it was like Murphy's law.
But what I used that term a lot last year. Yeah,
I mean you couldn't have predicted. I mean, it's one
thing to lose your quarterback, who literally is the quarterback
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of this team, like both from a coaching standpoint, but
also you know, the leadership standpoint, losing him was big.
And then like I said, we you know, we talked
about some of the stuff defensively which we haven't ever
really sort of marinated in. But there were a lot
If people knew the full complexities of what went on
last year, you'd actually be impressed at this group played
(33:32):
the way they did. Still towards the end of the
I think it says a lot about their mental makeup,
is my point. Yeah, they the last five or these
games they were playing in spite of right, So it
was you know what I think it was. You know what,
this isn't who we are as individuals and as a team.
You know, so we're gonna do whatever we can, you know,
(33:54):
to to write the thing. But there was a lot
of things that went on were just amazing last year.
And again, I want to be fair when I'm asking
you certain questions here because obviously you have relationships with
these guys that I don't want to break and ask
you to break or walk you into that. But knowing
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what you know, working with so many guys up here
and over the years, can Cowboy fans feel confident that
there's playmakers on the defensive line without question, without question? Um,
the young talent that they have with with with Neville
in Tristan on the inside, Um, they're they're gonna be
(34:36):
treated there. Um. If the Cowboys bring Gerald back, now
you're talking about betteran leadership on the inside. Um, if
they bring back Alden you know, you know, so there,
DeMarcus is still there, Randy Gregory. Randy greg Right. So
with the scheme being different, um, and the way the
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season ended last year, the way they played, I think
it'd be eas be very excited and optimisic about how
they'll play as a union. Now. One of the guys
we did mention there was Tristan, hell guy I know
you you worked with and a guy who was playing well.
He was one of the kind of bright spots before
he got hurt. Um. I I know that he's recovering,
hoping to have a big you know, come back here
in one. Are you guys gonna be working together this
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offseason and definitely building on that stuff. Definitely, definitely. I
talked to Tristan last week. Um, he's he's almost ready
to go. Um, it's it's back in the lab, um
and build on what he did last year. What's wild
is that he had the year that he had, given
the struggles that he had with what seemed like this
(35:40):
cohesive group with Rod Marinelli and and the guys, and
then was able to turn the corner and what was
a more challenging year. Yeah, so I can. I know
Tristan wouldn't mind me sharing. Um. It was a bad
room for him. It was a bad room for him.
He came in with the mindset of, you know, I
was techn lead the cowboy's first round pick, and you
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know I'm the main and he immediately was hit with no,
you're not welcome to the NFL, Phil, And so he
he had some growing and maturing to do. He did,
and then when the coaching staff changed, he had a
fresh start and he took he took advantage of it.
I think it says something that he was responsive though,
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you know that he was able to look inward and say,
you know, maybe some of the problems here, A lot
of guys don't do that. We've seen that in Dallas. No.
I think there was a lot of growth there. And
ye know that you mentioned that there have been issues
in the past of guys who who didn't take the
responsibility and weren't willing to grow, and that was something
that I thinking. But he was excited about and I
think they could see it. Um. Even Tristan, he'll talk
to the media, he said that he viewed this as
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you know, a fresh start and a chance at ah,
you know, second chance at the first impression essentially. Um,
how much do you think that is a going to
be an additional challenge for him though that we're talking
about three years and three defensive schemes that he's having
to jost too. Now, it's a great point. I didn't
think of it though. Way, that is a great point. Um,
you know what, it's a it's a fresh start again, right.
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So this time though, the expectations are there because he
showed everyone what he was capable of. And so I
think I think the new staff coming in, the new
the new d line coach and and coordinator. Right, they
switched British. That's amazing too, right, Alb and I were
talking about that last night. Um, but he definitely has
(37:29):
a fresh start, um to be able to come in
and show those guys what he showed the previous staff,
which is extreme athleticism and and burst. I mean he's
his athleticism burst and strength is is incredible. You obviously
this is your specialty. So I love when I can
just ask the questions and and stay in my lane.
So obviously you've worked with a lot of guys different teams,
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you get them ready for the draft. What has been
your impression of Dan Quinn over the years and what
do you think he's going to bring to this cowboyslocker?
Him and Joe specifically energy, right, energy that their defenses
played with with a lot of energy. Um, you know
that that that Atlanta team that they made it to
(38:12):
the Super Bowl, super energetic on defense, guys flew around. Um.
I think it's gonna be a really good fit, um
for the talent that they have here. Did I answered
the question? No, I was curious about that. You know, again,
I haven't We haven't been able to talk to the guys.
We will, you know obviously as we get closer, you know,
to O, T. A s and things like that, but
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I haven't really gotten a sense of what they even
think of the guys. So I just wanted to be
fair here, given your interactions from Afar or even personally
up dan Quinn, what Cowboy fans can expect from him
and his defense. Yeah, they're they're excited, right, they're excited.
I think everyone has has a point to prove. They
think that they need to show that last year was
an anomaly, right that That's not what Cowboy for about.
(38:58):
It's about it was a weird one. I mean, you
don't go from middle of the pack defensively to all
time one, all time work. It was. It was pretty
tough along all levels of the defense last year, you know,
kind of putting it together a little bit there at
the end, like you say, taking some I was just
gonna say. I thought what really stood out to me though,
was that Jerry and Stephen say what you will about
(39:23):
the coaching staff, that they were able to admit that
there was a problem there and make the change immediately.
We've never seen them move on from a coach after
one year, and it felt like they were very receptive
to their locker room and receptive to what was lacking
there and too and what we've been talking about here
going out and getting guys that again, this is just
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my opinion, are going to be more responsive to the
coaching style that comes with Dan Quinn. In that group
that was that was un cowboysque, right, and that happened
that quick. But I think there was there was one voice.
Everyone kept saying the same thing, and when the entire
team is saying the same thing, at some point, as
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as as ownership, you have to say, Okay, what's going on.
So when we look at the next generation of players
here and now you're working with guys that a few
different locations, Michael Johnson performance here at Exos, a Pack
and Fort Worth. One of the guys that I'm really
pumped about that I know you're working with is Marvin Wilson,
Texas boy Florida State. Uh, guy who was at the
Senior Bowl recently. Uh, what do you I mean with
(40:30):
the Cowboys still looking for d line guys and still
looking for guys potentially in the middle, what would Marvin
bring to to a team. Oh, he'd be he'd fit
here beautifully right. And an interesting story about him. I
got a chance to coach against him in high school. Um,
he was down at Bellary Episcopal and I was coaching
at the Episcopal School of Dallas. And he was the
(40:53):
number one defensive line in the country. And he didn't
play in the game against us, but looking at him
on film, he would just beat teams up by himself. Um,
went down to Florida State and had, you know, a
really good collegiate career. And when I got him almost
a month ago, now a little longer than a month ago. Um,
(41:16):
he looks fantastic. You know, he looks fantastic. He moves well,
he's strong, he's an earth mover. He'll said, he'll move
trees for you. And and and he's very athletic and
has a great motor. Uh. And so he's a prototypical
three technique. Uh. In the NFL. As long as he
stays healthy, he should have a ten plus your career tuck.
(41:38):
How prepared are these guys, like some that haven't had
a you know, a final season or opted out because
of COVID or you know, didn't get that real classroom
and then the field work that they typically get. What
kind of players are you getting and what are these
scouts now dealing? I would imagine your phone is ringing
(41:59):
off the hook and your are valuable than ever. But
what how raw are these guys? Some of them are
very um, some of them are very especially the guys
that opted out. UM. For instance, I have Tyler self
in here from l s U and he's been here
since October, right, UM, and so keeping him keeping him
(42:21):
engaged right through this extremely long process at that point,
you know, when he would normally be doing football practice.
You know, obviously we can get him here and and
take care of any ailments that he has, and UM,
make sure that he's in shape and he's doing the
things that he would normally do if he was in
a team setting. UM is one challenge, but again it's
(42:43):
the it's keeping him engaged right here in a different place.
You're away from home, away from your brothers, your way
from right and so that was the end of its
COVID right. So there was a lot of challenges, but um,
the staff here at at Xos as a fantas ask
job m j P. You do a fantastic job, and
so does so does the APEX staff with this elongated
(43:07):
uncertain process that we're dealing with right now. But yeah,
it's it's been different, for sure. I gotta think that
these guys are going to be it's there's gonna be
sort of this learning curve, but once they get in
the system, they're gonna be so ahead because they've been
approaching this as if it's their career. You know. I
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think that there's sometimes it's a judgment adjustment from college
and then you know, like December guys think they're typically
immediately training for and it's it's quick training. Before you
get to the combine. You're working on the fundamentals. You're like,
they may not have the live game action. I think
their bodies are a little bit fresher, and again they're
getting they're getting back to technique, which is I feel
like something like with Neville you had to work on
(43:50):
at an accelerated rate. Especially with COVID coming to the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah,
Neville and I got ran off a couple of fields
to Nevill who also played football and camp of the
high school foot like I mean, there's a whole bunch
of differences for him, right and and and just to
backtrack a little bit, that's why Neville would have fits
so well and Mary Nelly's scheme because at Oh you
go with coach Thibodeau, it was just run through gaps,
(44:13):
um and then and then and as a as a
position coach, my job is to to close that gap,
right um, and then we have to take in account
the scheme that they're gonna play in. So it's important
is this process is for these guys in pre draft.
Once they get picked up by their respective team and
(44:34):
they understand what their scheme is gonna be, now it's
time for us to really close the gap and teach
them how to play within their scheam, especially if it's
something they hadn't played in prior to go into the
to the NFL. Well, and I know, uh, we're we're
keeping it from lunch, but I do want one more
thing that Jane brought it up like a second ago
about how they get to focus on the fundamentals. And
(44:55):
this is just a cool thing that I think people
would want to hear about. The first time I was
out here, uh and Tuck was working with Tyler Shelvin,
that I heard Tuck ask him, Yeah, you wanna get
that ring off hand? Tyler. Tyler Shelvin had when I
when he first walked up to him. Uh, Tuck said,
you know, have you been using your non dominant hand?
(45:16):
Like what? And so Tuck actually has Tyler shelth to
get him and get guys used to use in their
left hand more than he's got, like Tyler Shelvin eating
dinner with his left hand and brushing his teeth with
his left hand, trying trying to get more used to that.
So if you're if you're in college and you're a stud,
most of the time, your your d line coach is
gonna just let you do what you need to do
(45:39):
to be successful. And I need for guys to be
ballast and amidextrous. And so if you're right handed and
everything you do is right handed, I need for you
to begin to use your left hand, which is most
people's non dominant and and you know, I asked him
to know which hand do you eat with? And everyone
(46:00):
and says their right hand, and don't ask a couple
more questions, and I'll come back and I say, well,
when you go to the bathroom, have a bout movement
number two, which hand do you use to send yourself?
And when they say their right hand, and that's the
same hand that they eat with it. And there's there's
(46:21):
the inset up to go ahead and start eating with
your left hand. Let's let's use our non dominant hand
for some things right And so if you're able to
use your hand, your non dominant hand to eat and
write and brush your teeth, when it's time to work moves,
when it's time to get into a left hand stance,
it's thinking about it. You want to be able to
get into a left hand stance if you're right handed,
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so you're right hand is free and ready to go.
But most guys are gonna put their right hand down
and then come off and then work the move. And
so if you're on the if you're on the right
side of the line, your left hand is down, your
right hands up, and vice versa. You need be able
to be balancing use both parents and future baseball players
go out of their way to make sure their kids
(47:04):
are left handed because they want to love to hand adventure,
and that's the opposite. So I'm gonna age myself a
little bit. I'm a child to the seventies. Most kids,
if they start to use their left hand, their parents
would stop them and make them use their right hand.
And so now I've got to figure out if they're
left side dominant or right side dominant, because you teach
(47:24):
those guys different, right, It's just like a visual learner
versus an auditory learner, right, And so that's how we train,
That's how we how we teach guys. And yeah, man, great, great, great,
h great point Bob, that's part of that. That's part
of the process. Though. Do you know what I love though,
not only working with Bobby during this time of the year,
because he is I He's like a simvalant. He's like
(47:46):
a rain man as it relates to these guys. I mean,
he loves it, and I feed off that energy. It's
like you get done with the NFL seas and you
kind of want to take a break, but then I
come up here and you guys are always so accommodating,
and I appreciate the access because even as a reporter,
I'm always looking to be a sponge and learned stuff
and I just love taking in what you guys do.
So as you're teaching them, I feel like I'm learning
(48:07):
and I appreciate that access. Oh, thank thank you for coming.
I appreciate it and enjoy having you. I mean, this
is and now you unless you eat him with her
right hand. Yeah, now, girls don't do that. Guys, you
know that that's that's right. I forgot that. It doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen. Brandon Tucker from Tread's Warfare Training. As
I said, you can follow them on Twitter at t
(48:28):
w F Training and U Tuch. We appreciate you man,
thank you for having me. Thank you, Bob, thank you Jane.
We are not done yet. If you can't tell, we
are incredibly enthusiastic about talking to these guys, and we
will continue to talk to these guys. If there's anyone
that you want to hear from, shout out to us.
We'll see if we can't. If they're not here in
the Dallas area, we'll see if we can't get them
(48:48):
on the podcast, especially as we find out who the
Cowboys have taught to and we find that in a
couple of ways, of course, through the players, the agents,
and even the team itself exactly exactly exactly so as
we've find out all that information, I know you guys
are football hungry. I've been football hungry, and we're not
even that far removed from the super Bowl. But stay
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