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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, Boys and Girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
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from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. We'll
after taking a little bit of a hiatus after what
was a particularly challenging season, not only for the Cowboys,
but I think a lot of us covering this team
in the media, we needed a bit of a reset.
But we do this because we love football and it
is so awesome to be able to have some some
access here at Excess Performance Center, especially given the fact
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that a lot of these guys are going to have
scouts and GMS calling performance centers like this, Bobby to
get a handle these guys because they're not allowed on
the college campuses or the access that we've had guys
like Daniel Jeremiah tell us about in the past. Yeah,
it's a it's a brave new world for scout to GMS,
coaches everybody else. This is as limited of access you
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talk to people around the league, this is the most
limited access they've ever had. Leading up to a draft.
So yeah, places like this and and the access that
they afford and and some of the things that you know,
the insights that they can offer. It's it's really valuable,
not just two teams obviously, but to us to be
able to come up here and chat with them and
hopefully we can pass on some of that insight with
the people that we chat with up here. And not
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only that, we're seeing guys like Gerald McCoy, who I
know a lot of questions about what this Cowboys defense
is going to look like next year. We'll start digging
into some of the challenges that were in that locker
room as we get closer to the season and we
start talking about the sort of guys that Dan Quinn
and this new coaching staff are going to be looking for.
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But I truly believe Bobby, and again we'll get into
this at a later date, that this team is going
to be a lot more responsive to what this coaching
staff brings the locker room. But with that being said,
I think there are questions who's going to be back.
Is this going to be a four three or three
four scheme? Well, we've seen Gerald McCoy every time we've
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been up here putting in the work. Uh, maybe Gerald
to jump on and talk to us at some point.
But a guy that I think a lot of people
in that locker room valued for what he did for guys,
even like Neville Gallimore. Um though he wasn't a part
of this team, he was still there in spirit, and
I think that's some sort of veteran leadership that this
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locker room could certainly use. Absolutely mean true to his
word he said after his injury and after the release,
he he spoke about how he still wanted to be
a mentor and help people out. And that's exactly what
he did. You talk to people up here, and you
see him up here. But guys that aren't even his
teammates necessarily, just rookies that are up here that he's
he's talking to and trying to coach up and and
teach them things about the game. And so there's a
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lot of interesting stuff here. We've got a lot of
interesting people that we're gonna be talking with over the
next few episodes. Um, today we're gonna be talking to
Stanford Corner Pulse and a debot who's from Mansfield, loved him,
opted out, he's great. Um, We're also gonna be talking
to TCU safety tray Von Merrick, who could play corner.
To be honest, that dude's incredible, and uh, he'll he'll
likely be a first round pick. He's a guy that
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I think everybody's gonna like a lot. And uh, then
we're also gonna be talking with Mississippi State running back
Kyle and Hill, who has a lot of connections actually
to the Cowboys, you'd be surprised. And he's another guy
who uh announced who's going to the draft last year,
decided to come back to school and then ultimately opted out.
But a lot of people talk to in this episode
and a lot of people in the coming episodes. And
so if you notice, by the way we've done this
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over a couple of them, if you notice wardrobe changes,
don't worry about the continuity. That was just separate days.
So so don't worry about it. And I think what
I love the most about this is, well, you and
I may not be able to be a fly on
the wall at Senior Bowl or Pro Days or uh
some of these virtual combines. We're getting to ask questions
that we're genuinely interested in knowing about some of these guys. In.
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Two of the individuals in this episode did not shy away, well,
actually all three of them didn't shy away from waiting
into what some would consider in the past controversial topics.
But this has been a year that has shaped the
league as it relates to social justice, as it related
to this virus. We've got guys that have opted out.
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What is their day to day look like? How did
they stay engaged? Did they miss a beat by not
having live game action? Was that better for their bodies?
But again, I just genuinely love when they come into
the league and they're sort of bright eyed and bushy
t helled, and they're not jaded by people like you
and I. Body there is there's to this point, and
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there's a lot of guys here at the facility. That year,
there's like fifty of them. I have not run into
a big ego here, not one, and uh that's not
always been the case. You'll usually run into one or two.
But that they've got a really good group of guys
that here this year, Guys with really high football character,
the right kind of guys, as Jason Garrett would call them,
passion and purpose. The two p's have really kind of
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stood out for me as we've talked to some of
these guys. So I hope you've enjoyed or we'll enjoy
rather some of the interviews that we're going to bring
you over the next couple of weeks. I've certainly enjoyed it.
Like I said, this is the part of my job
that I absolutely love. And I always go back to
my man Bobby Belt. He does a lot of the
framework for this, a lot of the groundwork he helps
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to build develop some of these relationships and the access
that we've had, so I'm in debt to them, but also,
like I said, to the Excess Performance Center for allowing
us this opportunity to not only come up here and
get to know the guys, but just for me in
my career continuing to be a sponge and learn more
and more about the game. I think that makes me
more valuable to you. Out to Brent Callaway, the performance
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director here, who is awesome, is one of the best
people you'll ever meet and has been really helpful and
helping us bring this stuff to you because there's not
a lot of this access and then I'll not a
lot of these people that we're hearing from with uh,
you know, the socially distanced senior bowls and combines and
everything else. And so, UH really appreciate Brent giving us
some axis here to to bring these guys to you.
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Joining us now is Stanford cornerback Paulson Adibo, also a
Mansfield High School alum from the df W area. Df
W kid, Uh and uh, we're glad that he's joining
us today out here at Exos and Frisco where we're
talking to a few people. Uh, pauls And how you doing?
I'm good? Absolutely? Uh So, first question, I know you
were one of the I want to say you were
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one of the first like five or ten guys I
remember opting out of the CFB season this year. Um,
what went into the decision? Because I know there was
people wondering if you were gonna come out last year
you chose to go back to school. Um, so what
went into your decision to opt out? And do you
have anything any regrets in retrospect you wish you would
have stayed around or do you feel like you made
the right decision. I feel like I made the right decision.
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I don't think it's one of those things to look
back and try to do it along UM what could
have been. I think the decision to opt out kind
of starts with my decision to come back last year,
I mean January, so obviously, UM, last year I had
an opportunity to kind of test the water and see
if I wanted to declare for the NFL Drive. UM.
After getting like my scouting results back and stuff, I
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felt like I had more to put on the table. UM.
So that was kind of the main reason for coming back, UM,
to get an opportunity to up my draft stock, but
also to compete one more time with my teammates and
try to play for championship. UM. And then as the
season started approaching, the way things were moving, UM, just
so much uncertainty from the coaches from UM pretty much everywhere,
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kind of nobody really giving us a clear picture of
what a season would look like. And for me, somebody
who wanted to come back to kind of put my
best foot forward, it just didn't make sense to kind
of play a season where at any moment, you know,
I can be suspended or have to miss two three games.
Not only that people forget, I mean the Pack twelve
was one of the last conferences to start up, and
actually at the time that I opted out. We had
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already canceled our season, so we were planning on doing
a spring season, and for me, it didn't make sense
to to play a spring season, so I kind of
opted out that way. UM. So a bunch of different
things that kind of played into it, and then obviously
they ended up playing at the end, but even that
looked a little a little rough. UM So I think
it's not necessarily a thing to kind of look back
and say I said the good it would have for me,
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I'd made a decision and went with it. So I've
been training since October. I feel like I'm in the
best lape shape that I've been in, um physically mentally.
So I'm really excited. You were one of the players
that I was fascinated in talking to because you know,
we've sort of jokingly phrased you guys have forgotten because
so many guys were putting out tape. You were one
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of the guys that was out here grinding day in
and day out, And as you illustrate it to me,
I can see how it would make more sense to
sort of approach this the way a minor league baseball
player would, or you know, preparing as if you're going
to get the call up, what does your day look
like starting in October? What is your weeks look like?
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And how have you stayed focused and locked in as
you watched teammates guys that you knew growing up actually
playing on Saturdays. It was definitely really weird watching football
and not being out there is probably the first time
not playing a football season since like seventh grade or something,
so definitely weird. But I think coming here to Exos
in Dallas, UM, working with Brent, the whole staff, UM,
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they kind of just really did a good job of
they helping me stay prepared, to helping me stay focused
on so basically since October, UM, maybe like twenty one
or something. When I first got here, UM pretty much
Monday through Friday. We we lift, uh three times a week,
run two times a week, UM, and then I'd come
here in the Now that the the schedule has kind
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of changed because we added some more players, But earlier
I'd come in at one or I'd come in at leven,
do physical therapy, go back, maybe take a nap, come
back at one, run, then lift, go back, do whatever
I wanted to do. UM. Usually I end up watching
film or watching sometimes my team what they're doing, but
also just watching other players in general, and is catching
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up on college football, watching league film, stuff like that. UM. Recently,
as we've added more players, the day has kind of changed,
but the same kind of philosophy. Monday through Friday, actually
Monday through Saturday. UM, So eight eight am, I do
speed work and then go back home, come back at
around eleven thirty do position work, go back home, come
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back into like one lift. So it's kind of a
field day, UM, but breaks in between so allows me
to eat and recover in between their fetus breakfast, lunch,
and dinner. So it's really a good setup. It feels
sort of like he's already an O T A S
training camp mode, which I would imagine is hard for
college guys to make that transition. Have you had access
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to even players in the area, you know, free agents
and guys sort of training that you've been able. Do
you think benefit from the experience of being around guys
like this right, definitely kind of. I think in college
we're worried about a couple of different things and worrying
about classes. I got an exams basically going to Stanford,
it was a little tough to juggle both things. So
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now just totally being locked in on football is definitely
kind of a weight off your shoulders and really allows
you to really focus in on what you need to
So I definitely appreciate that aspect of it. I know
when you talk about getting in that position work, I
know you've been working with Clay Mack, who you know
we've had on the show. He's a friend of ours,
and it has a great reputation of of helping guys
kind of perfect their craft a little bit. Um, do
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you think there's I guess an argument to be made
that you know, you you hear from some people that, well,
they missed the college football season, they didn't put film
out like we were talking about. Would you say there's
potentially a bigger benefit for you personally that you're not,
you know, focusing on weekly game prep and other things
like that and instead of just focusing on polishing up
your skills and working with Clay every day to get
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those right right. I think there's a give and take. Obviously,
I missed getting game experience this year, so I'm not
gonna count that off as being trivial. That's obviously important. Um,
But on the back end, I have been able to
get a lot our technique work, a lot more mobility work,
a lot more just strengthening. So physically I feel like
I'm in the best position that I've been in. Um
a game like eight pounds, So physically, I feel like
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there's definitely something that's something to be said there. Um
having been here for two or three months working with
Clay and kind of fine tuning the technique and stuff
like that that you normally wouldn't be able to end
the season. You probably banged up dealing with injuries. You
can't really get in the extraor um that you want
to to kind of perfect your crap. You're kind of
just holding on as a season goes on. So I
think in that aspect it definitely does help. They've been
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here working with Clay and working with brand you know,
at to his point, because it was such a stop
start season and it was so hard for players to
get the games in and probably to be around a
facility and exactly you know, the fact that you're sort
of removed from consistent workouts. I would imagine getting tested
here wearing the mask working out, it was a little
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bit easier just to to stay focused, um, and keep
your body right, because even if you had been able
to put out tape, how much quality tape are you
putting out exactly? I mean, we had an abbreviated season. Um.
At a certain point, our guys were traveling on the
road because they couldn't practice in their county, Santa Clair County,
So just just a lot of different obstacles, um. You know.
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For for them, I think it was it was great
that they found a way to do it with all
the adversity, they found a way to have a season.
So I was really happy to see that for them. UM.
But at the same time, I don't know that would
have been the best situation for me. UM. But again,
I don't want to kind of dwell in chat um.
I just kind of made a decision. They went with it. Now.
I remember a couple of years ago there was a
guy coming out of Notre Dame named Jerry Tillery, and
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Jerry was considered like first round type of talent UM,
And there was this chatter you kept hearing about and
when you talk to people in NFL circles, they were like,
he likes He's got a lot of varied interests. It
was kind of like, Okay, it's like, what's the problem.
It's like, you know, well, you just you wonder how
much do they love football? Because they're into they're interested
in a lot of other things. Are they completely focused
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on football? So, I mean, anybody who follows you on
social media, what you can for them on Twitter at
pauls in a seventeen and on Instagram. I'm gonna try
to remember it was at p A U one one
s O N underscore understand what close? Okay? Uh, but
anybody falls you sees you've got a lot of varied interests,
including football. Do you think that's anything that you will
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have to talk about with teams or answers? Is that like, look,
I'm gonna need to sell you guys, I guess on
on my level football or do you think that's unquestioned
by by teams at this point? Um? I think it
should be unquestion But if that's something that if they
have questions or whatever, like I'm more than happy to
answer them. I don't think that there's guys been here
every day week you are going to get that question though. Yeah,
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for sure, Um, I think that especially, I mean, there's
just so much going on right and I'm working out
and I'm seeing a bunch of different things going on,
whether it's social justice, whether it's COVID nineteen, where it's
a lot of different things that people really don't have
the answers to, and for me just kind of felt
disingenuous to kind of just sit back and not say anything. Um.
And I think that for athletes, you know, there's a
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level humility that we need to approach things with that says,
you know, I don't have the answers, not like I'm
sitting up here and telling you that, Like you know,
I'm the end all be all, I'm an expert on this,
like not at all, Like I think something's going on.
I don't really know, but I think it's super interesting
and I feel like, especially in today's climate, it's important
to kind of have that kind of conversation. Um, but
don't get a twisted like I love all Like that's
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that's what I want to do well. And I know
that is a that is a popular question from NFL
scouts to the sounds like a basic one, but they
like it because it flushes things out a little bit,
which is an ask you here is why do you
love football? Why do you love the game, right, I
mean for me personally, that's what I've been doing my
whole life, right. I remember being I grew up in
like in an apartment complex. So what that kind of
did for me was like being able to interact with
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a lot of different kids as opposed to like living
in the neighborhood where it's like you have two neighbors
and men so you hang out with. So I saw
a lot of different people come in and the common
thing for us was football. You know, some people from
all different backgrounds. One of my best friends, you know,
I still know it from kindergarten. We still live in
the same apartment complex, and we would just play football
every day. So just having that, you know, the kind
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of draw draw me into things, um from an early age.
I've just kept that all the way. And obviously my
brothers played football and basketball, and I pretty much played
everything growing up, so football was was kind of mostly
the main sport for me growing up. But I just
love playing sports and being competitive. To be honest, I
love that you have a voice because I think what
we saw from the NFL something that I hadn't seen
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covering this league for you know, the last six years
with just the NFL network doing it for years before
that was the NFL is allowing you the latitude to
do that. So when you look at guys like Malcolm
Jenkins and Richard Sherman, is that one of your pushbacks
that you can love football and have varied interests? And UM,
for sure, I don't think I try to like emulate
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what people are doing. To be honest, I don't think
I'm like I'm not uh. I'm very much like UH.
I don't necessarily like the spotlight on me, to be honest. UM.
But if there's something that I'm you know, super passionate
about it, I think it's very important, I'll say something
about it. But it's not like I'm setting out to
be uh per personality or something like that. I don't think.
I don't view it that way. What are some of
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your other interests? Um? The interests I love watching just
football highlights when i'm bored, um Netflix. UM. Playing the
guitar a little bit kind of wanted to. I saw
I think I saw a video like Christian McCaffrey playing
the harmonica when I was coming out of high school.
I was like, man, that's just cool. I need to
learn something. So I started picking up the guitar a
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little bit, So I do that a little bit. I'd
say I'm like a campfire guitarist level. I can play
a couple of things, um, but then just hanging out
with friends. Yeah, I think I really love watching like
interviews of like people I think are inspirational. So you know,
whether it's like Will Smith or anybody who's done anything
super big, I feel like it's always good to kind
of see where their minds at and kind of get
the competitive edge from watching how they like take care
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of themselves. Why Stanford, white kid from Mansfield thinking Stanford.
You know, there's a lot of Big twelve schools, but
I'm sure would have loved to avenge you. There's a
lot of North tex And I'm excited to hear what
you're gonna say because I know for there's a lot
of North Texas kids that this state has lost out
on the Stanford. In the last few years we got
we got a couple of guys from Dallas. We always Smith. Yeah,
we always kind of have that, like whenever we get
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a Texas guy, we're always kind of proud of it.
But for me, Stanford was just just a different place. Um,
coming out of high school, obviously I couldn't win anywhere.
I had offers from Georgia, Uh, you know, a Notre Dame.
I was committed to Notre Dame for a really a
really long time actually, and I really liked it up there,
and I really wanted to to kind of go up there.
But when when Stanford came, that was right around the
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time Christian McCaffrey was there and they had all the
hype and just seeing that, you know, you can go
to a place like that and compete at the highest level, uh,
guy was super important for me. Um. But then going
there and meeting the guys in the locker room, uh,
just a good group of guys, to be honest, And
then knowing that I would still have the opportunity to
compete for PAC twelve champions Championships. So for me, it
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was it was like, uh, kind of a little bit
of a no brainer. So you're from DFW, You're training
out here in Frisco, near the home of the Dallas Cowboys.
Have you at any about Hey, what if I end
up with star on my helmet? Yeah, that would be cool,
that would be that would be really cool. I mean
I never I didn't grow up like having a team
or anything. I kind of just liked UH teams that
were exciting so back and then like the Saint so like,
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you know, I'm gonna say, if it's exciting and giving
your age, there wasn't a lot of cowboy fantom, I
would guess. Well, I think fantasy football has had a
lot to do with this. I've argued that fantasy football
has sort of taken away that the kids that grew
up are you only you follow players instead of teams.
The city you lived in would get blocked out of
certain you know, teams that you were a fan of.
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Now you have access to I mean NFL game Pass,
there's your plug. Um obviously fantasy football. So I think
you follow players, right, Yeah, exactly. I think just any
any team that was exciting for me. I kind of
followed growing up. Um, so I never had like a
specific team, but it would be cool to play at
home for sure. What type of locker room culture would
make sense for you? Um, Honestly, I think that I
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can fit in any any locker room. I never even here,
you know, obviously around you know, there's there's different kind
of guys from uh, you know from sec from the
Big Twelve. I think one of my stone suit is,
like I've I've had the opportunity to interact with a
lot of different people, and that's one thing that Stanford
did do for me. I think um was having you know,
one of my best friends from New Hampshire, one of
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my other friends from Arizona, like Florida, just got from everywhere.
So I don't think that I have a problem interacting
with anybody, to be honest. Okay, so, uh, because I
know that you're you're such an intriguing guy away from
the football field. There's a few get to know your
questions that I got for you. You're ready, alright, cool?
So I know you played basketball growing up, including a
high school. So I love his confidence. He's got the
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striker uh so rank Kobe Lebron. I'm just you're asking
him this questions. That's wrong, man. I asked this to everybody.
This is you can't ask this question today. They're all great,
They're all on their own kind of little league there.
They're They're easily the top three all time, I think.
But personally, I didn't really watch MJ, so I can
only speak from what other people say he was aising
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and all that things. So I don't think they're really
qualified to answer the question. Okay, Kobe Lebron, Kobe Lebron
always like Lebron over Kobe, to be honest him, I
feel like just the amount of things that he can
do on the court. Um, but obviously Kobe just to
kill the mentalities. It's a different vibe. But I like
the problem. So you say, you say you're you're a
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Netflix guy, So what's your biggest streaming recommendation to anybody?
I haven't been watching too anything really recently. I like
All American, but they're not on that. You're like a
documentary guy, or you like movie? What do you? What
do you go for? Usually many series and I've been
a rom calm guy. Com I love when we get
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one of these guys. What was your favorite? Um? I
like Hitch, all right, it's a good one. Hitch, he's friends,
he plays basketball, look at him, He's there's some commonalities there.
He's a he's a renaissance man. Uh. One of my
favorite questions that I stole from a friend of mine,
r g oh show Uh is um so like, let's
pretend next year you're playing mad in twenty two and
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whoever you're playing against has taken the team that you're on,
whoever ends up drafting you. So if when you're playing
that game, you accidentally throw an interception to yourself, are
you going to be the competitor and tackle yourself? Or
you're gonna give digital you a little shine and let
him score now and definitely talk to myself. Look at that.
I I'm finding more and more guys I'd say it's
probably about seventy thirties say they're going to let their
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guys score. I'm hit sticking myself. You're gonna hit stick yourself? Wow,
we don't do that? What would if it wasn't football?
What would your profession? But what's your mayor? I know
your major is something that I hadn't. I don't think
I've ever seen a football player having before. Yeah, product design?
So what would you be doing if it wasn't football? Honestly,
I don't know. I don't know. Like product design is
like Nike UM, it kind of depends UM. It's a
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little bit of like a little bit of mechanical engineer
and also working with like UM on the marketing side,
dealing with like user consumers, that type of deal, identifying
target market audience. It's kind of smart if you think
about in sports, yeah, I think, yeah, I think going
to Stanford UM. But also playing sports, I think that
the network that I have now, especially becoming a professional athlete,
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like it'll it'll give me a lot of leeway to
kind of interact and contact a lot of different people.
So honestly, I don't really know what I want to do,
but I know that UM like giving this platform, I
I really want to help people. I don't know exactly how,
but growing up I didn't have too much. So I
feel like, you know, it's it's only right for me
now having the success. I mean, there's nothing really I
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mean like I've had success, you know, and that's not
really what's gonna do it right as far as making
you feel a certain way. So I feel like finding
a way to help people out, whether it's people that
look like me, whether it's UM kids that grow up
impoverished or don't really have much. I think I would
end up doing something in that REALM greatest strength, greatest
weakness UM as a player, as a person, as a person,
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M my greatest strength, I think my greatest strength is
my greatest weakness. Um, like I'm a little stubborn. Yeah,
it's a double edged sword. Yeah, I'm a little stubborn,
but I think it. You know, it's kind of helped
me because I go a little harder than I should
or something like that. But you know sometimes I probably
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need to pull back. Probably probably a little stubborn. Yeah. An,
How how do you want people to remember you outside
of football? Um? Yeah, again, I think just somebody who
you know, one stood for something too, was willing to
help a lot of people. Um. And and that's kind
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of the big thing for me, especially as I'm getting older,
that's seeming like that's the the path to go on,
to be honest. Um. And again it's like everybody moves
at their own pace. But after having success on a
on a couple of different levels, you start to realize
what really matters. So I think just just having a
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positive impact on people. When did you know you were
special at this particular sport? Mm hmmm, let me see.
I think I had a couple of moments. I think
in high school, like my sophomore year playing in South
Lake Carroll Cowboy Stadium, first game playing cornerback, went off,
had a pick had a touchdown, I was like, I
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feel good in that building. Huh. Yeah, well I always
felt like I was super good. Like my brothers would
tell you, like I always grew up, uh talking trash
to him, like I'm gonna be a freshman on varsity.
I'm gonna be the number one corner and nation I'm
gonna be. So I always had that kind of mentality
of of just over a teaming um. But obviously as
it starts getting closer and you kind of start knocking
down those milestones, you get your first offer, you get
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the third offer, the tenth offer, and then you kind
of start to see it, you know, all your dreams
kind of realized themselves. Like I definitely had a had
a sense of like, yeah I can I can really
do some damage. You're stubborn and you know you're good.
Are you coachable? Of course yeah, I think you know,
I'm stubborn with myself. But when it comes to, you know, coaching,
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I'm definitely willing to accept coaching, especially you know, I
never had any problems with my dB coach, my head coach,
or anything like that. So I think there's there's a
there's a balance between being stubborn and kind of wanted
to wanting to do things your own way and also
understanding that it's a team sport and you know you
have to buy in, you know, completely completely buying and
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do what's best for the team. Is as well. Favorite
coach and why uh Coach King was my favorite coach. Yeah, because, um,
he doesn't baby you like he'll He'll give it to
you how how it is. Um, you know, I had
a couple of games where I just wasn't performing at
the level that I'm supposed to, and you know, he's
all in my grill like giving it to me. And
a lot of coaches, especially now with with where we are, UM,
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today's environment is a little softer. So to have that
kind of like gritty, hard nosed kind of approach, Um,
that was that was really appreciated by me. Paulson the
debo is a cornerback from Stanford, a local kid and
somebody who realistically with as soon as the Cowboys are
cornerback couldn't up with a star on his helmet. And uh,
Paul said, we appreciate you man. Thank You're going to
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do very well. Thank you so much, thanks for having
joining us. Now. Is TCU defensive back Trayvon marrig He
is the recipient of the Jim Thorpe Award, named to
seven All American teams. Just an all around stud and
he is out here training at Exos in Frisco, and
we are glad to be joined with him today. Trayvon,
how you doing, I'm good? And how you doing? I'm
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doing good. I'm curious. We were here talking about the
the COVID scare and everything else and how different everything's
been before we got started here. A lot of guys
chose to opt out, Um, a few of them you're
training with here. Why did you decide to play this season? Um? Really,
I just did it from my family and my teammates. Um,
you know, coming into this season, we weren't, you know,
expecting to play a game or having a season or
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anything like that. So um, we just continue to push forward.
And and you know, I did it from my mom, my,
my teammates, and uh, we were fortunate to go out
there and have a season. So I think we put
on a show. What did this season teach you about adversity, liability, adaptability? Definitely,
just you know, pushing pushing through whatever, you know, not
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knowing a lot of things this this year, what was
going on. It just kept us on our toes and
kept us hungry for for more, wanting to play games
and you know, try to yo to a playoff game.
But um, you know, just taught us to to push
through adversity and and you know, lean on one another.
You know, I think it's well known at this point.
I'm sure you've heard it, the cliches about the Big
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Twelve about nobody plays defense in the Big Twelve. It's
all offense. It's the Kingsbury and the Lincoln Riley style
of offenses over there. One of the teams that does
play defense a little bit is TCU the last couple
of years, Jeff Gladney, Ross Blacklock, yourself, are Darius Washington,
A lot of really good players on that defense. Do
you think you're you're better prepared for what the NFL
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is gonna have to offer going up against these Lincoln
Riley type teams in these Texas tech offenses. Do you
think you're prepared for where the NFL is going because
you play in the Big Twelve? Definitely? Um, I think
you know, just TCU in general, their coach and staff coach,
p coach Gonzalez they did a good job just you know,
preparing us for whatever whatever it may be. I think
they the way they coach is unmatched. I've said that before,
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and um, just the way they handle things on the field.
They get you ready for for anything, whether whether it
be certain teams, certain formations, it could be whatever. But um,
they always make sure you're ready. And I feel like
they've got me me ready and I'm not gonna understand
a lot of things that maybe if I didn't go
to TCU, I wouldn't be able to. You know, one
of the challenges that we saw with so many teams
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this years. We were speaking to it earlier, the adaptability
and appliability. You guys are so used to being in
a group setting, so used to being in the locker
room and working out together. You were able to play
this season and obviously saw the shutdowns and the COVID
testing and doing these interviews virtually we're probably gonna see
a little bit more of that heading into this season.
What was the greatest thing you learned about yourself and
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the way you approach your game this profession through of that. UM,
I think you know, one thing I prided myself on
was just being a leader through this time. Um, you know,
trying to get my guys wherever they needed to be wherever. Um,
you know, seeing fit, I just tried to be a
vocal leader and let them know like we're gonna get
through this. You know, we're gonna make it, and we're
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gonna play games and have fun no matter the outcome.
And you were a team captain for every single game.
Does that mean to you what goes into being the
team captain? It was? It was on Um. You know,
coach p just goes in and picks four guys that
he thinks or you know, like you said, great leaders
on and off the field. Um. So I was very
really bilessed and fortunate to be picked as one, um
you know, as me while I Ta Barbera and Max Duggan.
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So um, all of those guys you know are a
great leaders, great teammates. Okay, but I do have to
ask you how hard was it too? I think it
was a little bit easier for the NFL athlete, right,
some of them have their families there, you're getting paid
to approach this, you're in college. You know you're not
gonna get to do this thing again. How hard was
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it to be responsible on campus and still recognize that
this is the last year. I mean, look, I went
to college, went to the University of Texas. It's the
best four years of my life. But how were you
able to balance that while also being responsible and to
your point, making sure you guys had a season? I
would say, just like leaning on people, leaning on my mom,
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my family, my teammates, my coaches, just getting advice from
them or or whatever it may maybe, um, you know,
just leaning on other people for advice and and um
just kind of not doing it along by myself. And
so it was hard. It wasn't that hard for you
to stay out of the front. It was definitely a
little hard at the beginning. But as as you know,
time went on, we started picking up on things and
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and just learning, you know, the new protocols and swings
of things. So I think as the time went on,
we we learned. Um, you know, like I said, to
push forward and I persevere. We mentioned you're here in Frisco,
so you know, you're two miles away from the Dallas
Cowboys training facility. You're a Texas kid. You play it
here at TCU two. Have you thought about what it
might be like to wear the star. That would be
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a blessing. That would be so cool. You know, I
grew up watching Dallas Cowboys on my life, so um,
you know, to be to be uh you know, seeing
things said about Dallas Cowboys is is definitely exciting. So
we'll see where that where that goes. But that would
be cool to wear a star. Now we got you
just for a couple more minutes here because we're keeping
you from training, but we'll do a couple of get
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to know you questions because I know people always like those.
So if you weren't pursuing football, what would you be
going after for a career. I probably I probably try
to be like an analyst, sports reporter kind of thing
like that. Um, that's kind of something I want to
do after I played football, or maybe coach or something
like that. See, we're getting your experience right here that
they're getting me ready, so preparing me. What's on like
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your pregame high plus if you're really trying to get
in his own probably some young boy. I know that's
probably a little cool, you know cliche. We got basic
trainmrrk here, but on a little R and B. Still
one of my favorite answers to this was Randall Cobb
kissed from a rose seal, wasn't one of his pregame
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bizarre remember I remember it. I think it was Devin
ASSISI from uh U c l A last year. I
think his answer was, he's like, he doesn't want to
listen to anything too aggressive because he didn't he didn't
want to get too hyped up, out of control. He
wanted to kind of be called and everything. Yeah. Yeah,
So let's imagine you're playing Madden twenty two here in
a couple of months, which you'll be on the roster.
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You'll you'll be on there somewhere. So you're on there.
Let's see whoever you're playing against takes your team before
you can pick him. So you're you're on offense and
you throw and digital Trayvon Marrig intercepts the pass. So
are you gonna let him score or you're gonna be
ultra competitive and tackle yourself. I might let him score
just just to boost the stats up a little bit
on the game, you know, might make it look good.
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I remember Caleb and Jason said if he was playing
against himself that he said he'd get twelve acts that game.
He's like, I wouldn't even block the guy ahead. Yeah, no, no,
tight end over there. He's like, I want to let
myself shine. Oh yeah, let him. He's trying to have
fun with you. But of course I'm a hard nosed reporter.
So but there's gonna be all sorts of questions that
are come up for you at combine, and I imagine
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they're gonna be a little tougher because they're gonna be virtual,
so it's not like you're in the same room with
some of these guys. One of the situations that came
up with TCU obviously was, you know, during Black Lives Matters, uh,
the allegations against coach p and what was said in
the locker room. Being a team leader, without getting into
the weeds on it, how was that to navigate and
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keep that group together with heightened emotions because you're gonna
have that during a football season. A coach is going
to fall out of favor with the players somethings. I mean,
we've seen it happen in the league. How what did
you learn from that situation to navigate that where you're
not isolating teammates, You're trying to understand where they're where
they're coming from but also trying to keep that locker
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room together. I would say it was definitely hard at
for you know, um, like you said, emotions were raised,
everything like that. But um, you know, we kind of
came together as a team, came together as a senior
leadership councils many times and and just talked about the issue,
um and and kind of we just kind of came
out with we know where coach p is hard at.
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We know what kind of guy is. You know, was
he wrong? Yes, UM, not taking that away, But I
know the kind of person he is. I know, I know,
you know what he's about. I know how much he's
invested in all of us. So for for that to
happen and and for his reputation to go down the drain,
I just didn't think it was you know, the right time.
So we we met as a team. You know, we
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handled it and and you know, just left it in
the past. Some we do. You know, we're gonna remember
and we're not gonna forget. But we moved on as
a team and continue to play this season. How hard
is that as a young man, know that's getting ready
to go off to the draft. I think a lot
of guys worry about, well, if you say the wrong
thing or you rattle this coach, how's that going to
affect me in the draft? And you're talking to a
guy who's been in the league forever or has contacts
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the leak forever and has been a head coach. How
hard was that to go to a man and say, listen,
as a locker room we feel like you're wrong, but
this is our moment to give you a teachable moment,
very similar to things that you've done for us as
a coach. Definitely tough, um, but like I said, I
think it just comes down to being an honest and
you know, good person, genuine person um, you know, because
we're all learning and and it's not just you know,
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one side or the other. You know, everybody's learning every day.
So that's kind of the approach we took towards him,
was like, you know, we we understand you. We messed up,
but you know, we're all learning. We're gonna get you,
you know, back on your feet and and try to
play a good season. One more for you, because you
do seem like you have a real level head on
you and like I said, you're gonna get far harder
questions than that one. But I wanted to get you
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warmed up, you know, being the reporter that I am,
Bobby wants to ask you some of these fun questions,
and I love them. But what do you bring to
a locker room? You're not gonna be able to get
into a room shake a lot of these guys hands,
and I think a lot can be said about You've
got this energy in this light about you that I
think would serve you well if you had scouts and
GMS in the room. Since you can't do that, how
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what are you going to convey to them virtually about
what they're getting from you in their locker room? Probably
just you know, like you said, just a level minded
kind of UM player, just not real um, too big
into the high too big into social media. Just wanted
to get down and work and and play for someone
bigger than itself, play for my mom, my family, my teammates, um,
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you know, and just being an honest, genuine person. Um.
That's kind of what I probably myself on is just
being a good person to whoever it may be. So well,
I think you're likely to hear the name trayvon Marrig
on Thursday night of the draft because he is for
sure in that first round conversation. And you can follow
him on social media both Twitter and Instagram. Are at
the Real Underscore Tray seven, Trayvon, thanks so much for
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joining us, Thank you for having me. It's been a
blessed joining us. Now out here at Exos in Frisco
is Mississippi State running back Kyle and Hill. You can
follow him on Twitter. Are at h Underscore Kaylan and
Kylan as k y l I n Kylan. How you doing, man,
I'm doing pretty good. You know, I'm just blessed to
be right here, be here right now. Yes, sir, Now,
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I know you just came out of a Senior Bowl.
It was a i know, a big week for you,
a good week for you. A lot of people. Uh
there's that one clip going around social media that was
going on viral. You just locking up everybody in pass
pro looking good. How was that experience just in general
of the Senior Bowl? And talk about how you think
it benefited you, especially in a time where this uh
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you know, you know we're not gonna have the combine
the normal way that we would. How do you think
it was beneficial to you? Yeah? Like you said with
the combine, and I feel like we got a lot
of benefit through it, you know, especially when I wanted
the coaches learning experience, no preparing us for the next
step that most guys won't have the opportunity to the experience. Also,
so UM extremely blessed to being situation to solve my skills.
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And from a lot of coaches, you debated opting out
last year, decided to finish up at Mississippi State Mike
Leach shaking over the head coach, and then opted out
of three games. Why really basically a lot during during
the flag situation with my family being too harassed over
the situation, so they were really a family decision. Also
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for fans that aren't familiar with the flag situation, walked
them through that. UM basically Um misically been known for
having a Confederate flag over our his for generation even
beyond my generation. So me and a couple of guys
and coaching and stuff, we got together as a family
and just came together, and his family thought it was
time for it to come down. How hard was that
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on your family and was that kind of your first
foray in seeing how how tough it can be out there?
When you put yourself in that that public eye. Yeah,
it were real tough. You know, I had a lot
of back lass. You know, lass to come to me
also comes to my family being an athlete, so I
had a lot of the take up on had the
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material or early. But I have no regrets at all.
You're proud of the outcome? Yeah course, you know. I
feel like I did a good d so it would
be very proud of him. Do you think that's something
that you know, even though as you mentioned it was
it was tough on your family, and it was tough
on you, and it caused missages, it's still something that
you look back on, um, really proudly and fondly and say,
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you know, I made a real difference. And and do
you think it's something that NFL teams can look at
and go, Okay, there's a guy who shows leadership traits.
There's a guy who who's comfortable in his own skin
and isn't afraid to to do what he believes is right. Yeah,
you know what I did. I feel like a lot
of younger players under me, uh can look up to
what I did. You know, don't be afraid, don't be
afraid of the outcome. So I wasn't scared at all.
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You know, sometimes people always ask me, did I regret it?
Um not at all. I feel like got me no mistakes.
So I just go by day by days, stay blessed.
Do you have any regrets about not that situation specifically,
but do you have any regrets about going back to school?
Do you, I mean, do you just wish you would have, uh,
potentially just stay you know, stayed in the draft last year,
or had you know, decided to opt out of this year.
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Once you've gone back and seeing the COVID situation, do
you wish you had done anything differently with that process? Um? No,
not at all. I came back, you know, to show
scouts that also kissed the ball and not just the
pounding ground running back. So even though I played through games,
I feel like in the games I did play, I
played it twenty three kids close to three hunding yards,
So I did what I could. Confidence look at the
stats that opener, it was it was something like ninety
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four catches for you know seven, I mean, it was
it was obscene because some Mississippi state records there. Now
it's interesting you talked there about showing your different skills
that we talked about, how you had looked really good
in past protection that the Senior Bowl, and how you
already everybody knew you were a prolific runner at Mississippi State,
and then you went back and showed that you could
do in the receiving game. There's this chatter a little
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bit with the game is so pass heavy now that
running backs are kind of becoming obsolete. People seem to think, Um,
what would you say in reply to that thought that
that the running back position is becoming obsolete? And how
valuable do you think your skill set is being that
you are so multifaceted when teams are looking they want
a different type of back these days. Um, I feel
like me, Jasie, I'm just right now. I'm just feeling
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in all the blanks that people said that what I
can't do. So like they said, it's all just a
ground of power runner and can kids I did that? Uh?
People said, I come pass block, so the same ball
I focused on pass block. Can approve that, you know,
Just like I said, I was just trying to fill
in all the blanks that all my Dada said I
can't do, and so far looking very positive. There's a
fearlessness about you that stands out to me. Where does
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that come from? That just boring to me? That had
my dad raised me like my dad about eight years old.
My dad with me a five hour come morning we
go job, just me and told me always attacked the
game with a uh with feious to be fierce seven.
I love it. You said. One of the guys you
stay in touch with is a guy we know pretty
well here in Dallas, Dak Prescott. Yeah, what's that relationship like?
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And not just football? What is he meant to you?
As as having a guy that's played at Mississippi State,
who's been in the league and for that matter, has
found himself and the news a lot, and and how
he handles it has always been so graceful with that.
You know, when you couldn't miss him to state a
Dak Chris got like, I would take nothing away from God.
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Incredible player. Uh, just beside the player, he's an incredible person.
You know what he did, especially just he played the
game for his mom, arresting peace to his mom. Uh.
Tremendous guy, charitable guy. He always come back and I
tried my best to work here. Events He just a
guy that young kids should look up to just outside
of football, just as a person. How much would you
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like to, uh, potentially share the backfield with him? I mean,
you're hearing Fristco, You're you're near Cowboys headquarters. How cool
would it be to the Cowboys? That would be a blessing?
You know. I feel like missip State fans would go crazy.
They love it. They're they're rabbit over there. Now, did
you get it? Did you get a chance to talk
to the Cowboys a Senior Bowl? And if so, how
to that out? It went very well. Um, we had
tremendous talk. You know, it's just it's something that I
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can't say, but they just told me I had great,
tremendous talent and look forward to saying me and singing bowl.
I also loved that everyone thinks that just because the
Cowboys talked to Kylan he's a running back to that
means there's no room for Zeki Elliott. Yeah, exactly, That's
where I wanted to go there. Sometimes I feel like
there is a misperception of Zeke because he isn't He's
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not consistently as personable as Dak is sometimes. But if
you get Zeke away from the media. He's actually a
great guy. So what's been your takeaway? Because you know,
even with like Tony Pollard and some of those guys,
you know, his former coach, Gary Brown would tell me,
you know, he'd be there at the you know, dinners
at Gary's house and and how much he brought the
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guys up and even when he wasn't playing, encouraging guys
to go out there and be their best. What have
you taken away from a guy like Zeko, especially because
he's such good friends with Dac. I would imagine that
by extension you get some of that friendship. Yeah, man, Zeke,
we've been trade in numbers, you know, communicate, you know
it basically just guys like him a care and basically
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told me this stay, stay grinding the process, to go
by fad you know on the blink of an eye,
gonna be draft day. You know, like they just kept
the real me, real blint. You know, they told me
to work my butt off and just take care of everything. Everything.
Gona heap him for yourself. I love that you're in
touch with Alvin Kimara because you know, Sean Payton new
Orlen Saints loves to say that he stood on the
table and being to sup for Alvin. Alvin obviously was
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a guy that was a little bit overlooked. You talk
about filling in the blanks and not wanting to be
pigeonholed in one particular area, and he's certainly shown you
that with his game. What is Alvin taught you about
being more of a multidimensional running back, especially in today's
game and the way that position has been undervalued. Yeah,
I feel like Alvin changed the game for running bad,
just like being straight up. You know Alvin, you don't know,
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he can be a guy. He can go between the
hole and here to line up wide into here too
for eight yards. He did basically changed the game for
running bad to what it is today. Put back on
the market, you know. Tremendous guy, tremendous talent. What did
you think of a six touchdown game on Christmas? Oh,
he was going I was kind of man kind of
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you know, he got an end zone. He was counting out,
counting right with him. You're sitting they're really cheering on
the number six and everything. You know. Yeah, I feel
like he was doing it for the running backs. Yeah,
you're going in for the running it. He was doing
it for the culture. That's what That's what it was
all about. Now you you mentioned filling in all the blanks? Uh,
what is it you think is the most outstanding question?
You think teams are gonna want to know about you?
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Since you are trying to answer as many questions, what
do you think is remaining for you to to sell
teams on? Um? Basically, I don't know, So I just
just wait the next chime whatever whatever dready want me
to do. I'm just trying to master it. Now, let's
do some get to know you stuff. I do want
to ask him. One other thing. I love this notion
that your dad was getting you up at such a
young age to run it five in the morning, because,
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like I said, I'm sitting here and we talked to
a lot of guys. I've talked a lot of guys
of the years, but there's this fearlessness about you, and
there was also this it seemed very intentional. Are you
into certain books? Are there are certain guys that you
are documentaries that you're into? Like where else do you
get some of your inspiration basically being being from MISSI
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being underrated my life? So the fields to the fire
love it now if you weren't, as we ask some
of these kids to know your questions, if you weren't
pursuing football, what would you be going after? You're a
psychology major, right, yeah, I'll be what you're doing there?
You go? All right? All right? Well, and I want
to ask you about that too, because I do think
that if you're into psychology, it helps you a lot
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as a reporter. I highly recommend the book that I've
been reading is The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green.
It's Bible thick, but it really helps you understand people
in their motivations. And so I think if you obviously
pursue psychology, you're interested in that stuff. We've watched Calvin,
I mean, Cameron Jordan's and mark Ingram do their podcast
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during the season. Is that something you'd be interested in doing?
Is because we've seen so many players that are able
to sort of start writing their media were early. Could
you see yourself doing that? And who would be your
ideal co host? Um? I've seen myself doing I feel
like communicate very well, Um co host, I don't know.
It can be let's do a current player and a
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past player or somebody you're training with. Maybe you got
you got here? Is there anybody here who would be
real dynamic with you here that you're training with? I
had to say, Jay Adams, there you go, Jay Adams
in Jama Chase, there you go, Jamal, people named Jamal Quab,
Jamal class. Who is your who is your ideal interview?
Like for us, we got Teo. I mean I grew
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up the biggest Teo fans, so did that was like?
That was for us like our biggest get on this show.
And we've inter read a lot of people, um, but
TiO was huge for us because I had so many questions,
who's your one person that you would absolutely have to
book on your your podcast Today's NFL right now? Just
it could be otherwise. Oh that's a good one. I
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had to say. I had to go for today. I
had to go on my former teammate Janet Able. Oh there,
John is John John is one of I remember interview
Jonathan over at m JP two years ago and it
was the It was the funniest thing. I remember talking
to everybody to ask about like, you know, hey, what
do you think about the Dallas there? Because they're here training,
It's like, what do you think about it? They're like, oh,
it'd be great to play for the Cowboys. When I
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asked them, what do you think about playing for the Cowboys,
He's like, well, I really like the schools out here. Um,
you know, I got I got a kid, and so like,
you know, it would be a good place to raise it.
Like he didn't have anything to say about football. It
was all about like, oh, yeah, you know, the school
systems are good over here, and there's a lot of parks.
It's approaching like a job, like he's going to sign
with Amazon, great school district for the kids. I remember
Dane Brugler from the Athletics said that teammate and you
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maybe be able to speak to this. He said, teammates
used to kind of joke with him that he was
the grandpa on the team. Today, I feel like he
was forty years old. Almost team you know, uh energy,
Oh yeah, yeah, and nfor sir. That's a guy who
that's a guy who's got some attitude. Now when you
look at uh in terms of like you you're you're
a Madden guy. You play all right, so next year
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you'll be in the game. If somebody happened to grab
the team that you play on before you could get
to it and you you've digitally, you've got this crease
where he's about to go for eight yards? Are you
tackling yourself or you're gonna let yourself get some shine?
You're just gonna score. Yeah, I don't care when my
overallly is. I'm I'm putting myself in a game. It's
the started point bank. Just go stack at it. You're
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gonna go for the seven touchdowns. You're gonna pass Alvin? Okay,
And where's the where's the tat over there? The egg?
So yeah, he's got the egg. There we go. That's perfect.
Now when it comes to would you rather this is
one of the things that I always like to ask people.
Would you rather live without music for the rest of
your life? Or TV movies? Streaming service type things? TV movies?
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You'd rather keep the music? What's what's like the big game?
I don't I don't know who's theme hype artist, not
a particular song, who who's like, what's an artist? We're
definitely gonna Chicago, so I gotta go a little dirt, okay, alright,
not not like old school Chicago to say literally Chico.
But I was like, oh my gosh, she's an eight
save I've now become your biggest advocate. I'm still going
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to be one of your big advocates. But she was
expecting Peter Sater. I was like, have you watched the
YouTube channel where it's the young guys that listen to
the eighties music and they throw backs and they're like,
they're like teenagers, they've never heard it before. Like, oh man,
it's like man that hits. That's It's one of my
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favorite YouTube channels. On the podcast, you can do that
like Kylan reacts to seventies. We see, we see where
you you'd fall down on that now because you are
We've talked about such a outspoken guy and somebody who
cares a lot about how things go off the field.
How would you like people to remember you outside of
the game of football? Um? Just a guy who then
back down for anything. You know, a guy it spoke
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his mind. You know, I got it the truthful about
a lot of things. Uh, some people may not like it,
but approach the game very hard working guy. Do you
think it's important then that you go to a locker
room that lets you be you? In other words, I
cover a lot of teams where the coaches themselves say
we just want our guys to be our guys. And
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then there's other locker rooms where sort of tow the
line where do you where would you? I feel like
I've got an idea of it, but what would be
most natural for you? I mean, I get it. Look,
wherever you get the call is where you fall. But
locker room a lot of fun guys and there he'll be,
He'll be, he'll be amazing. But then again, I know
that it's a business also, So we want to go
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on a locker room with the doll series and everything.
I'm gonna do my job. There's my job. Also, I
see him in New Orleans. I feel like he's got
like a whole New Orleans. But he'd be perfect there, Kyla.
You can follow him on Twitter and then look for
that podcast where he reacts to Peter Stara Chicago Queen
all the seventies music. You're gonna love the way he
hits those power and telling it's great. He's smooth. Yeah,
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you can follow Kayland on Twitter at h Underscore Kayland, Kyla,
appreciate you, my no problem man, Thank you all right. So,
like I said, I love getting to know these guys.
I hope you learned as much as we learned from them,
and we'll continue to learn about them in the coming weeks.
We're trying to get ahead of this before we start
seeing the news articles come out and more and more
teams start talking about their interests. We're sort of getting
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to know them in the early stages, which is what
I love. I loved this part. It's good. They're still
enthusiasm from them. They haven't been over interviewed yet. They're excited.
It's like last year when we saw it Des Bryant
working out and you saw the draft picks, like just
you know, going gaga watching that. You see that with
like a Gerald McCoy being up here somebody else to
see them just kind of like staring and ah, my goodness,
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look at steer up McCoy. So yeah, no no ego yet.
Next episode, we've got some good interviews for you. We're
gonna be talking with Peyton Turner from Houston has the
wing span of a car with its doors open um.
And then we'll also be talking to William Bradley King
or b K the Bailor defensive end, and then our
friend Brandon Tucker from Trench warfare training, about all these
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guys and then also about some of the cowboys that
he's been training. Where Tristan Hill's at with his recovery, Um,
you know how Neville Gallamore is progressing, so lots of
good information on that next episode. I's like, man, it
is cool. I need to learn something
Hello, Boys and Girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys Community with the inside
scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to you
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from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby. We'll
after taking a little bit of a hiatus after what
was a particularly challenging season, not only for the Cowboys,
but I think a lot of us covering this team
in the media, we needed a bit of a reset.
But we do this because we love football and it
is so awesome to be able to have some some
access here at Excess Performance Center, especially given the fact
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that a lot of these guys are going to have
scouts and GMS calling performance centers like this, Bobby to
get a handle these guys because they're not allowed on
the college campuses or the access that we've had guys
like Daniel Jeremiah tell us about in the past. Yeah,
it's a it's a brave new world for scout to GMS,
coaches everybody else. This is as limited of access you
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talk to people around the league, this is the most
limited access they've ever had. Leading up to a draft.
So yeah, places like this and and the access that
they afford and and some of the things that you know,
the insights that they can offer. It's it's really valuable,
not just two teams obviously, but to us to be
able to come up here and chat with them and
hopefully we can pass on some of that insight with
the people that we chat with up here. And not
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only that, we're seeing guys like Gerald McCoy, who I
know a lot of questions about what this Cowboys defense
is going to look like next year. We'll start digging
into some of the challenges that were in that locker
room as we get closer to the season and we
start talking about the sort of guys that Dan Quinn
and this new coaching staff are going to be looking for.
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But I truly believe Bobby, and again we'll get into
this at a later date, that this team is going
to be a lot more responsive to what this coaching
staff brings the locker room. But with that being said,
I think there are questions who's going to be back.
Is this going to be a four three or three
four scheme? Well, we've seen Gerald McCoy every time we've
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been up here putting in the work. Uh, maybe Gerald
to jump on and talk to us at some point.
But a guy that I think a lot of people
in that locker room valued for what he did for guys,
even like Neville Gallimore. Um though he wasn't a part
of this team, he was still there in spirit, and
I think that's some sort of veteran leadership that this
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locker room could certainly use. Absolutely mean true to his
word he said after his injury and after the release,
he he spoke about how he still wanted to be
a mentor and help people out. And that's exactly what
he did. You talk to people up here, and you
see him up here. But guys that aren't even his
teammates necessarily, just rookies that are up here that he's
he's talking to and trying to coach up and and
teach them things about the game. And so there's a
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lot of interesting stuff here. We've got a lot of
interesting people that we're gonna be talking with over the
next few episodes. Um, today we're gonna be talking to
Stanford Corner Pulse and a debot who's from Mansfield, loved him,
opted out, he's great. Um, We're also gonna be talking
to TCU safety tray Von Merrick, who could play corner.
To be honest, that dude's incredible, and uh, he'll he'll
likely be a first round pick. He's a guy that
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I think everybody's gonna like a lot. And uh, then
we're also gonna be talking with Mississippi State running back
Kyle and Hill, who has a lot of connections actually
to the Cowboys, you'd be surprised. And he's another guy
who uh announced who's going to the draft last year,
decided to come back to school and then ultimately opted out.
But a lot of people talk to in this episode
and a lot of people in the coming episodes. And
so if you notice, by the way we've done this
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over a couple of them, if you notice wardrobe changes,
don't worry about the continuity. That was just separate days.
So so don't worry about it. And I think what
I love the most about this is, well, you and
I may not be able to be a fly on
the wall at Senior Bowl or Pro Days or uh
some of these virtual combines. We're getting to ask questions
that we're genuinely interested in knowing about some of these guys. In.
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Two of the individuals in this episode did not shy away, well,
actually all three of them didn't shy away from waiting
into what some would consider in the past controversial topics.
But this has been a year that has shaped the
league as it relates to social justice, as it related
to this virus. We've got guys that have opted out.
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What is their day to day look like? How did
they stay engaged? Did they miss a beat by not
having live game action? Was that better for their bodies?
But again, I just genuinely love when they come into
the league and they're sort of bright eyed and bushy
t helled, and they're not jaded by people like you
and I. Body there is there's to this point, and
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there's a lot of guys here at the facility. That year,
there's like fifty of them. I have not run into
a big ego here, not one, and uh that's not
always been the case. You'll usually run into one or two.
But that they've got a really good group of guys
that here this year, Guys with really high football character,
the right kind of guys, as Jason Garrett would call them,
passion and purpose. The two p's have really kind of
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stood out for me as we've talked to some of
these guys. So I hope you've enjoyed or we'll enjoy
rather some of the interviews that we're going to bring
you over the next couple of weeks. I've certainly enjoyed it.
Like I said, this is the part of my job
that I absolutely love. And I always go back to
my man Bobby Belt. He does a lot of the
framework for this, a lot of the groundwork he helps
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to build develop some of these relationships and the access
that we've had, so I'm in debt to them, but also,
like I said, to the Excess Performance Center for allowing
us this opportunity to not only come up here and
get to know the guys, but just for me in
my career continuing to be a sponge and learn more
and more about the game. I think that makes me
more valuable to you. Out to Brent Callaway, the performance
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director here, who is awesome, is one of the best
people you'll ever meet and has been really helpful and
helping us bring this stuff to you because there's not
a lot of this access and then I'll not a
lot of these people that we're hearing from with uh,
you know, the socially distanced senior bowls and combines and
everything else. And so, UH really appreciate Brent giving us
some axis here to to bring these guys to you.
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Joining us now is Stanford cornerback Paulson Adibo, also a
Mansfield High School alum from the df W area. Df
W kid, Uh and uh, we're glad that he's joining
us today out here at Exos and Frisco where we're
talking to a few people. Uh, pauls And how you doing?
I'm good? Absolutely? Uh So, first question, I know you
were one of the I want to say you were
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one of the first like five or ten guys I
remember opting out of the CFB season this year. Um,
what went into the decision? Because I know there was
people wondering if you were gonna come out last year
you chose to go back to school. Um, so what
went into your decision to opt out? And do you
have anything any regrets in retrospect you wish you would
have stayed around or do you feel like you made
the right decision. I feel like I made the right decision.
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I don't think it's one of those things to look
back and try to do it along UM what could
have been. I think the decision to opt out kind
of starts with my decision to come back last year,
I mean January, so obviously, UM, last year I had
an opportunity to kind of test the water and see
if I wanted to declare for the NFL Drive. UM.
After getting like my scouting results back and stuff, I
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felt like I had more to put on the table. UM.
So that was kind of the main reason for coming back, UM,
to get an opportunity to up my draft stock, but
also to compete one more time with my teammates and
try to play for championship. UM. And then as the
season started approaching, the way things were moving, UM, just
so much uncertainty from the coaches from UM pretty much everywhere,
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kind of nobody really giving us a clear picture of
what a season would look like. And for me, somebody
who wanted to come back to kind of put my
best foot forward, it just didn't make sense to kind
of play a season where at any moment, you know,
I can be suspended or have to miss two three games.
Not only that people forget, I mean the Pack twelve
was one of the last conferences to start up, and
actually at the time that I opted out. We had
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already canceled our season, so we were planning on doing
a spring season, and for me, it didn't make sense
to to play a spring season, so I kind of
opted out that way. UM. So a bunch of different
things that kind of played into it, and then obviously
they ended up playing at the end, but even that
looked a little a little rough. UM So I think
it's not necessarily a thing to kind of look back
and say I said the good it would have for me,
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I'd made a decision and went with it. So I've
been training since October. I feel like I'm in the
best lape shape that I've been in, um physically mentally.
So I'm really excited. You were one of the players
that I was fascinated in talking to because you know,
we've sort of jokingly phrased you guys have forgotten because
so many guys were putting out tape. You were one
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of the guys that was out here grinding day in
and day out, And as you illustrate it to me,
I can see how it would make more sense to
sort of approach this the way a minor league baseball
player would, or you know, preparing as if you're going
to get the call up, what does your day look
like starting in October? What is your weeks look like?
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And how have you stayed focused and locked in as
you watched teammates guys that you knew growing up actually
playing on Saturdays. It was definitely really weird watching football
and not being out there is probably the first time
not playing a football season since like seventh grade or something,
so definitely weird. But I think coming here to Exos
in Dallas, UM, working with Brent, the whole staff, UM,
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they kind of just really did a good job of
they helping me stay prepared, to helping me stay focused
on so basically since October, UM, maybe like twenty one
or something. When I first got here, UM pretty much
Monday through Friday. We we lift, uh three times a week,
run two times a week, UM, and then I'd come
here in the Now that the the schedule has kind
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of changed because we added some more players, But earlier
I'd come in at one or I'd come in at leven,
do physical therapy, go back, maybe take a nap, come
back at one, run, then lift, go back, do whatever
I wanted to do. UM. Usually I end up watching
film or watching sometimes my team what they're doing, but
also just watching other players in general, and is catching
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up on college football, watching league film, stuff like that. UM. Recently,
as we've added more players, the day has kind of changed,
but the same kind of philosophy. Monday through Friday, actually
Monday through Saturday. UM, So eight eight am, I do
speed work and then go back home, come back at
around eleven thirty do position work, go back home, come
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back into like one lift. So it's kind of a
field day, UM, but breaks in between so allows me
to eat and recover in between their fetus breakfast, lunch,
and dinner. So it's really a good setup. It feels
sort of like he's already an O T A S
training camp mode, which I would imagine is hard for
college guys to make that transition. Have you had access
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to even players in the area, you know, free agents
and guys sort of training that you've been able. Do
you think benefit from the experience of being around guys
like this right, definitely kind of. I think in college
we're worried about a couple of different things and worrying
about classes. I got an exams basically going to Stanford,
it was a little tough to juggle both things. So
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now just totally being locked in on football is definitely
kind of a weight off your shoulders and really allows
you to really focus in on what you need to
So I definitely appreciate that aspect of it. I know
when you talk about getting in that position work, I
know you've been working with Clay Mack, who you know
we've had on the show. He's a friend of ours,
and it has a great reputation of of helping guys
kind of perfect their craft a little bit. Um, do
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you think there's I guess an argument to be made
that you know, you you hear from some people that, well,
they missed the college football season, they didn't put film
out like we were talking about. Would you say there's
potentially a bigger benefit for you personally that you're not,
you know, focusing on weekly game prep and other things
like that and instead of just focusing on polishing up
your skills and working with Clay every day to get
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those right right. I think there's a give and take. Obviously,
I missed getting game experience this year, so I'm not
gonna count that off as being trivial. That's obviously important. Um,
But on the back end, I have been able to
get a lot our technique work, a lot more mobility work,
a lot more just strengthening. So physically I feel like
I'm in the best position that I've been in. Um
a game like eight pounds, So physically, I feel like
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there's definitely something that's something to be said there. Um
having been here for two or three months working with
Clay and kind of fine tuning the technique and stuff
like that that you normally wouldn't be able to end
the season. You probably banged up dealing with injuries. You
can't really get in the extraor um that you want
to to kind of perfect your crap. You're kind of
just holding on as a season goes on. So I
think in that aspect it definitely does help. They've been
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here working with Clay and working with brand you know,
at to his point, because it was such a stop
start season and it was so hard for players to
get the games in and probably to be around a
facility and exactly you know, the fact that you're sort
of removed from consistent workouts. I would imagine getting tested
here wearing the mask working out, it was a little
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bit easier just to to stay focused, um, and keep
your body right, because even if you had been able
to put out tape, how much quality tape are you
putting out exactly? I mean, we had an abbreviated season. Um.
At a certain point, our guys were traveling on the
road because they couldn't practice in their county, Santa Clair County,
So just just a lot of different obstacles, um. You know.
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For for them, I think it was it was great
that they found a way to do it with all
the adversity, they found a way to have a season.
So I was really happy to see that for them. UM.
But at the same time, I don't know that would
have been the best situation for me. UM. But again,
I don't want to kind of dwell in chat um.
I just kind of made a decision. They went with it. Now.
I remember a couple of years ago there was a
guy coming out of Notre Dame named Jerry Tillery, and
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Jerry was considered like first round type of talent UM,
And there was this chatter you kept hearing about and
when you talk to people in NFL circles, they were like,
he likes He's got a lot of varied interests. It
was kind of like, Okay, it's like, what's the problem.
It's like, you know, well, you just you wonder how
much do they love football? Because they're into they're interested
in a lot of other things. Are they completely focused
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on football? So, I mean, anybody who follows you on
social media, what you can for them on Twitter at
pauls in a seventeen and on Instagram. I'm gonna try
to remember it was at p A U one one
s O N underscore understand what close? Okay? Uh, but
anybody falls you sees you've got a lot of varied interests,
including football. Do you think that's anything that you will
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have to talk about with teams or answers? Is that like, look,
I'm gonna need to sell you guys, I guess on
on my level football or do you think that's unquestioned
by by teams at this point? Um? I think it
should be unquestion But if that's something that if they
have questions or whatever, like I'm more than happy to
answer them. I don't think that there's guys been here
every day week you are going to get that question though. Yeah,
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for sure, Um, I think that especially, I mean, there's
just so much going on right and I'm working out
and I'm seeing a bunch of different things going on,
whether it's social justice, whether it's COVID nineteen, where it's
a lot of different things that people really don't have
the answers to, and for me just kind of felt
disingenuous to kind of just sit back and not say anything. Um.
And I think that for athletes, you know, there's a
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level humility that we need to approach things with that says,
you know, I don't have the answers, not like I'm
sitting up here and telling you that, Like you know,
I'm the end all be all, I'm an expert on this,
like not at all, Like I think something's going on.
I don't really know, but I think it's super interesting
and I feel like, especially in today's climate, it's important
to kind of have that kind of conversation. Um, but
don't get a twisted like I love all Like that's
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that's what I want to do well. And I know
that is a that is a popular question from NFL
scouts to the sounds like a basic one, but they
like it because it flushes things out a little bit,
which is an ask you here is why do you
love football? Why do you love the game, right, I
mean for me personally, that's what I've been doing my
whole life, right. I remember being I grew up in
like in an apartment complex. So what that kind of
did for me was like being able to interact with
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a lot of different kids as opposed to like living
in the neighborhood where it's like you have two neighbors
and men so you hang out with. So I saw
a lot of different people come in and the common
thing for us was football. You know, some people from
all different backgrounds. One of my best friends, you know,
I still know it from kindergarten. We still live in
the same apartment complex, and we would just play football
every day. So just having that, you know, the kind
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of draw draw me into things, um from an early age.
I've just kept that all the way. And obviously my
brothers played football and basketball, and I pretty much played
everything growing up, so football was was kind of mostly
the main sport for me growing up. But I just
love playing sports and being competitive. To be honest, I
love that you have a voice because I think what
we saw from the NFL something that I hadn't seen
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covering this league for you know, the last six years
with just the NFL network doing it for years before
that was the NFL is allowing you the latitude to
do that. So when you look at guys like Malcolm
Jenkins and Richard Sherman, is that one of your pushbacks
that you can love football and have varied interests? And UM,
for sure, I don't think I try to like emulate
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what people are doing. To be honest, I don't think
I'm like I'm not uh. I'm very much like UH.
I don't necessarily like the spotlight on me, to be honest. UM.
But if there's something that I'm you know, super passionate
about it, I think it's very important, I'll say something
about it. But it's not like I'm setting out to
be uh per personality or something like that. I don't think.
I don't view it that way. What are some of
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your other interests? Um? The interests I love watching just
football highlights when i'm bored, um Netflix. UM. Playing the
guitar a little bit kind of wanted to. I saw
I think I saw a video like Christian McCaffrey playing
the harmonica when I was coming out of high school.
I was like, man, that's just cool. I need to
learn something. So I started picking up the guitar a
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little bit, So I do that a little bit. I'd
say I'm like a campfire guitarist level. I can play
a couple of things, um, but then just hanging out
with friends. Yeah, I think I really love watching like
interviews of like people I think are inspirational. So you know,
whether it's like Will Smith or anybody who's done anything
super big, I feel like it's always good to kind
of see where their minds at and kind of get
the competitive edge from watching how they like take care
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of themselves. Why Stanford, white kid from Mansfield thinking Stanford.
You know, there's a lot of Big twelve schools, but
I'm sure would have loved to avenge you. There's a
lot of North tex And I'm excited to hear what
you're gonna say because I know for there's a lot
of North Texas kids that this state has lost out
on the Stanford. In the last few years we got
we got a couple of guys from Dallas. We always Smith. Yeah,
we always kind of have that, like whenever we get
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a Texas guy, we're always kind of proud of it.
But for me, Stanford was just just a different place. Um,
coming out of high school, obviously I couldn't win anywhere.
I had offers from Georgia, Uh, you know, a Notre Dame.
I was committed to Notre Dame for a really a
really long time actually, and I really liked it up there,
and I really wanted to to kind of go up there.
But when when Stanford came, that was right around the
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time Christian McCaffrey was there and they had all the
hype and just seeing that, you know, you can go
to a place like that and compete at the highest level, uh,
guy was super important for me. Um. But then going
there and meeting the guys in the locker room, uh,
just a good group of guys, to be honest, And
then knowing that I would still have the opportunity to
compete for PAC twelve champions Championships. So for me, it
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was it was like, uh, kind of a little bit
of a no brainer. So you're from DFW, You're training
out here in Frisco, near the home of the Dallas Cowboys.
Have you at any about Hey, what if I end
up with star on my helmet? Yeah, that would be cool,
that would be that would be really cool. I mean
I never I didn't grow up like having a team
or anything. I kind of just liked UH teams that
were exciting so back and then like the Saint so like,
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you know, I'm gonna say, if it's exciting and giving
your age, there wasn't a lot of cowboy fantom, I
would guess. Well, I think fantasy football has had a
lot to do with this. I've argued that fantasy football
has sort of taken away that the kids that grew
up are you only you follow players instead of teams.
The city you lived in would get blocked out of
certain you know, teams that you were a fan of.
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Now you have access to I mean NFL game Pass,
there's your plug. Um obviously fantasy football. So I think
you follow players, right, Yeah, exactly. I think just any
any team that was exciting for me. I kind of
followed growing up. Um, so I never had like a
specific team, but it would be cool to play at
home for sure. What type of locker room culture would
make sense for you? Um, Honestly, I think that I
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can fit in any any locker room. I never even here,
you know, obviously around you know, there's there's different kind
of guys from uh, you know from sec from the
Big Twelve. I think one of my stone suit is,
like I've I've had the opportunity to interact with a
lot of different people, and that's one thing that Stanford
did do for me. I think um was having you know,
one of my best friends from New Hampshire, one of
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my other friends from Arizona, like Florida, just got from everywhere.
So I don't think that I have a problem interacting
with anybody, to be honest. Okay, so, uh, because I
know that you're you're such an intriguing guy away from
the football field. There's a few get to know your
questions that I got for you. You're ready, alright, cool?
So I know you played basketball growing up, including a
high school. So I love his confidence. He's got the
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striker uh so rank Kobe Lebron. I'm just you're asking
him this questions. That's wrong, man. I asked this to everybody.
This is you can't ask this question today. They're all great,
They're all on their own kind of little league there.
They're They're easily the top three all time, I think.
But personally, I didn't really watch MJ, so I can
only speak from what other people say he was aising
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and all that things. So I don't think they're really
qualified to answer the question. Okay, Kobe Lebron, Kobe Lebron
always like Lebron over Kobe, to be honest him, I
feel like just the amount of things that he can
do on the court. Um, but obviously Kobe just to
kill the mentalities. It's a different vibe. But I like
the problem. So you say, you say you're you're a
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Netflix guy, So what's your biggest streaming recommendation to anybody?
I haven't been watching too anything really recently. I like
All American, but they're not on that. You're like a
documentary guy, or you like movie? What do you? What
do you go for? Usually many series and I've been
a rom calm guy. Com I love when we get
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one of these guys. What was your favorite? Um? I
like Hitch, all right, it's a good one. Hitch, he's friends,
he plays basketball, look at him, He's there's some commonalities there.
He's a he's a renaissance man. Uh. One of my
favorite questions that I stole from a friend of mine,
r g oh show Uh is um so like, let's
pretend next year you're playing mad in twenty two and
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whoever you're playing against has taken the team that you're on,
whoever ends up drafting you. So if when you're playing
that game, you accidentally throw an interception to yourself, are
you going to be the competitor and tackle yourself? Or
you're gonna give digital you a little shine and let
him score now and definitely talk to myself. Look at that.
I I'm finding more and more guys I'd say it's
probably about seventy thirties say they're going to let their
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guys score. I'm hit sticking myself. You're gonna hit stick yourself? Wow,
we don't do that? What would if it wasn't football?
What would your profession? But what's your mayor? I know
your major is something that I hadn't. I don't think
I've ever seen a football player having before. Yeah, product design?
So what would you be doing if it wasn't football? Honestly,
I don't know. I don't know. Like product design is
like Nike UM, it kind of depends UM. It's a
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little bit of like a little bit of mechanical engineer
and also working with like UM on the marketing side,
dealing with like user consumers, that type of deal, identifying
target market audience. It's kind of smart if you think
about in sports, yeah, I think, yeah, I think going
to Stanford UM. But also playing sports, I think that
the network that I have now, especially becoming a professional athlete,
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like it'll it'll give me a lot of leeway to
kind of interact and contact a lot of different people.
So honestly, I don't really know what I want to do,
but I know that UM like giving this platform, I
I really want to help people. I don't know exactly how,
but growing up I didn't have too much. So I
feel like, you know, it's it's only right for me
now having the success. I mean, there's nothing really I
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mean like I've had success, you know, and that's not
really what's gonna do it right as far as making
you feel a certain way. So I feel like finding
a way to help people out, whether it's people that
look like me, whether it's UM kids that grow up
impoverished or don't really have much. I think I would
end up doing something in that REALM greatest strength, greatest
weakness UM as a player, as a person, as a person,
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M my greatest strength, I think my greatest strength is
my greatest weakness. Um, like I'm a little stubborn. Yeah,
it's a double edged sword. Yeah, I'm a little stubborn,
but I think it. You know, it's kind of helped
me because I go a little harder than I should
or something like that. But you know sometimes I probably
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need to pull back. Probably probably a little stubborn. Yeah. An,
How how do you want people to remember you outside
of football? Um? Yeah, again, I think just somebody who
you know, one stood for something too, was willing to
help a lot of people. Um. And and that's kind
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of the big thing for me, especially as I'm getting older,
that's seeming like that's the the path to go on,
to be honest. Um. And again it's like everybody moves
at their own pace. But after having success on a
on a couple of different levels, you start to realize
what really matters. So I think just just having a
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positive impact on people. When did you know you were
special at this particular sport? Mm hmmm, let me see.
I think I had a couple of moments. I think
in high school, like my sophomore year playing in South
Lake Carroll Cowboy Stadium, first game playing cornerback, went off,
had a pick had a touchdown, I was like, I
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feel good in that building. Huh. Yeah, well I always
felt like I was super good. Like my brothers would
tell you, like I always grew up, uh talking trash
to him, like I'm gonna be a freshman on varsity.
I'm gonna be the number one corner and nation I'm
gonna be. So I always had that kind of mentality
of of just over a teaming um. But obviously as
it starts getting closer and you kind of start knocking
down those milestones, you get your first offer, you get
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the third offer, the tenth offer, and then you kind
of start to see it, you know, all your dreams
kind of realized themselves. Like I definitely had a had
a sense of like, yeah I can I can really
do some damage. You're stubborn and you know you're good.
Are you coachable? Of course yeah, I think you know,
I'm stubborn with myself. But when it comes to, you know, coaching,
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I'm definitely willing to accept coaching, especially you know, I
never had any problems with my dB coach, my head coach,
or anything like that. So I think there's there's a
there's a balance between being stubborn and kind of wanted
to wanting to do things your own way and also
understanding that it's a team sport and you know you
have to buy in, you know, completely completely buying and
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do what's best for the team. Is as well. Favorite
coach and why uh Coach King was my favorite coach. Yeah, because, um,
he doesn't baby you like he'll He'll give it to
you how how it is. Um, you know, I had
a couple of games where I just wasn't performing at
the level that I'm supposed to, and you know, he's
all in my grill like giving it to me. And
a lot of coaches, especially now with with where we are, UM,
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today's environment is a little softer. So to have that
kind of like gritty, hard nosed kind of approach, Um,
that was that was really appreciated by me. Paulson the
debo is a cornerback from Stanford, a local kid and
somebody who realistically with as soon as the Cowboys are
cornerback couldn't up with a star on his helmet. And uh,
Paul said, we appreciate you man. Thank You're going to
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do very well. Thank you so much, thanks for having
joining us. Now. Is TCU defensive back Trayvon marrig He
is the recipient of the Jim Thorpe Award, named to
seven All American teams. Just an all around stud and
he is out here training at Exos in Frisco, and
we are glad to be joined with him today. Trayvon,
how you doing, I'm good? And how you doing? I'm
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doing good. I'm curious. We were here talking about the
the COVID scare and everything else and how different everything's
been before we got started here. A lot of guys
chose to opt out, Um, a few of them you're
training with here. Why did you decide to play this season? Um? Really,
I just did it from my family and my teammates. Um,
you know, coming into this season, we weren't, you know,
expecting to play a game or having a season or
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anything like that. So um, we just continue to push forward.
And and you know, I did it from my mom, my,
my teammates, and uh, we were fortunate to go out
there and have a season. So I think we put
on a show. What did this season teach you about adversity, liability, adaptability? Definitely,
just you know, pushing pushing through whatever, you know, not
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knowing a lot of things this this year, what was
going on. It just kept us on our toes and
kept us hungry for for more, wanting to play games
and you know, try to yo to a playoff game.
But um, you know, just taught us to to push
through adversity and and you know, lean on one another.
You know, I think it's well known at this point.
I'm sure you've heard it, the cliches about the Big
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Twelve about nobody plays defense in the Big Twelve. It's
all offense. It's the Kingsbury and the Lincoln Riley style
of offenses over there. One of the teams that does
play defense a little bit is TCU the last couple
of years, Jeff Gladney, Ross Blacklock, yourself, are Darius Washington,
A lot of really good players on that defense. Do
you think you're you're better prepared for what the NFL
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is gonna have to offer going up against these Lincoln
Riley type teams in these Texas tech offenses. Do you
think you're prepared for where the NFL is going because
you play in the Big Twelve? Definitely? Um, I think
you know, just TCU in general, their coach and staff coach,
p coach Gonzalez they did a good job just you know,
preparing us for whatever whatever it may be. I think
they the way they coach is unmatched. I've said that before,
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and um, just the way they handle things on the field.
They get you ready for for anything, whether whether it
be certain teams, certain formations, it could be whatever. But um,
they always make sure you're ready. And I feel like
they've got me me ready and I'm not gonna understand
a lot of things that maybe if I didn't go
to TCU, I wouldn't be able to. You know, one
of the challenges that we saw with so many teams
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this years. We were speaking to it earlier, the adaptability
and appliability. You guys are so used to being in
a group setting, so used to being in the locker
room and working out together. You were able to play
this season and obviously saw the shutdowns and the COVID
testing and doing these interviews virtually we're probably gonna see
a little bit more of that heading into this season.
What was the greatest thing you learned about yourself and
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the way you approach your game this profession through of that. UM,
I think you know, one thing I prided myself on
was just being a leader through this time. Um, you know,
trying to get my guys wherever they needed to be wherever. Um,
you know, seeing fit, I just tried to be a
vocal leader and let them know like we're gonna get
through this. You know, we're gonna make it, and we're
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gonna play games and have fun no matter the outcome.
And you were a team captain for every single game.
Does that mean to you what goes into being the
team captain? It was? It was on Um. You know,
coach p just goes in and picks four guys that
he thinks or you know, like you said, great leaders
on and off the field. Um. So I was very
really bilessed and fortunate to be picked as one, um
you know, as me while I Ta Barbera and Max Duggan.
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So um, all of those guys you know are a
great leaders, great teammates. Okay, but I do have to
ask you how hard was it too? I think it
was a little bit easier for the NFL athlete, right,
some of them have their families there, you're getting paid
to approach this, you're in college. You know you're not
gonna get to do this thing again. How hard was
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it to be responsible on campus and still recognize that
this is the last year. I mean, look, I went
to college, went to the University of Texas. It's the
best four years of my life. But how were you
able to balance that while also being responsible and to
your point, making sure you guys had a season? I
would say, just like leaning on people, leaning on my mom,
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my family, my teammates, my coaches, just getting advice from
them or or whatever it may maybe, um, you know,
just leaning on other people for advice and and um
just kind of not doing it along by myself. And
so it was hard. It wasn't that hard for you
to stay out of the front. It was definitely a
little hard at the beginning. But as as you know,
time went on, we started picking up on things and
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and just learning, you know, the new protocols and swings
of things. So I think as the time went on,
we we learned. Um, you know, like I said, to
push forward and I persevere. We mentioned you're here in Frisco,
so you know, you're two miles away from the Dallas
Cowboys training facility. You're a Texas kid. You play it
here at TCU two. Have you thought about what it
might be like to wear the star. That would be
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a blessing. That would be so cool. You know, I
grew up watching Dallas Cowboys on my life, so um,
you know, to be to be uh you know, seeing
things said about Dallas Cowboys is is definitely exciting. So
we'll see where that where that goes. But that would
be cool to wear a star. Now we got you
just for a couple more minutes here because we're keeping
you from training, but we'll do a couple of get
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to know you questions because I know people always like those.
So if you weren't pursuing football, what would you be
going after for a career. I probably I probably try
to be like an analyst, sports reporter kind of thing
like that. Um, that's kind of something I want to
do after I played football, or maybe coach or something
like that. See, we're getting your experience right here that
they're getting me ready, so preparing me. What's on like
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your pregame high plus if you're really trying to get
in his own probably some young boy. I know that's
probably a little cool, you know cliche. We got basic
trainmrrk here, but on a little R and B. Still
one of my favorite answers to this was Randall Cobb
kissed from a rose seal, wasn't one of his pregame
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bizarre remember I remember it. I think it was Devin
ASSISI from uh U c l A last year. I
think his answer was, he's like, he doesn't want to
listen to anything too aggressive because he didn't he didn't
want to get too hyped up, out of control. He
wanted to kind of be called and everything. Yeah. Yeah,
So let's imagine you're playing Madden twenty two here in
a couple of months, which you'll be on the roster.
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You'll you'll be on there somewhere. So you're on there.
Let's see whoever you're playing against takes your team before
you can pick him. So you're you're on offense and
you throw and digital Trayvon Marrig intercepts the pass. So
are you gonna let him score or you're gonna be
ultra competitive and tackle yourself. I might let him score
just just to boost the stats up a little bit
on the game, you know, might make it look good.
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I remember Caleb and Jason said if he was playing
against himself that he said he'd get twelve acts that game.
He's like, I wouldn't even block the guy ahead. Yeah, no, no,
tight end over there. He's like, I want to let
myself shine. Oh yeah, let him. He's trying to have
fun with you. But of course I'm a hard nosed reporter.
So but there's gonna be all sorts of questions that
are come up for you at combine, and I imagine
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they're gonna be a little tougher because they're gonna be virtual,
so it's not like you're in the same room with
some of these guys. One of the situations that came
up with TCU obviously was, you know, during Black Lives Matters, uh,
the allegations against coach p and what was said in
the locker room. Being a team leader, without getting into
the weeds on it, how was that to navigate and
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keep that group together with heightened emotions because you're gonna
have that during a football season. A coach is going
to fall out of favor with the players somethings. I mean,
we've seen it happen in the league. How what did
you learn from that situation to navigate that where you're
not isolating teammates, You're trying to understand where they're where
they're coming from but also trying to keep that locker
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room together. I would say it was definitely hard at
for you know, um, like you said, emotions were raised,
everything like that. But um, you know, we kind of
came together as a team, came together as a senior
leadership councils many times and and just talked about the issue,
um and and kind of we just kind of came
out with we know where coach p is hard at.
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We know what kind of guy is. You know, was
he wrong? Yes, UM, not taking that away, But I
know the kind of person he is. I know, I know,
you know what he's about. I know how much he's
invested in all of us. So for for that to
happen and and for his reputation to go down the drain,
I just didn't think it was you know, the right time.
So we we met as a team. You know, we
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handled it and and you know, just left it in
the past. Some we do. You know, we're gonna remember
and we're not gonna forget. But we moved on as
a team and continue to play this season. How hard
is that as a young man, know that's getting ready
to go off to the draft. I think a lot
of guys worry about, well, if you say the wrong
thing or you rattle this coach, how's that going to
affect me in the draft? And you're talking to a
guy who's been in the league forever or has contacts
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the leak forever and has been a head coach. How
hard was that to go to a man and say, listen,
as a locker room we feel like you're wrong, but
this is our moment to give you a teachable moment,
very similar to things that you've done for us as
a coach. Definitely tough, um, but like I said, I
think it just comes down to being an honest and
you know, good person, genuine person um, you know, because
we're all learning and and it's not just you know,
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one side or the other. You know, everybody's learning every day.
So that's kind of the approach we took towards him,
was like, you know, we we understand you. We messed up,
but you know, we're all learning. We're gonna get you,
you know, back on your feet and and try to
play a good season. One more for you, because you
do seem like you have a real level head on
you and like I said, you're gonna get far harder
questions than that one. But I wanted to get you
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warmed up, you know, being the reporter that I am,
Bobby wants to ask you some of these fun questions,
and I love them. But what do you bring to
a locker room? You're not gonna be able to get
into a room shake a lot of these guys hands,
and I think a lot can be said about You've
got this energy in this light about you that I
think would serve you well if you had scouts and
GMS in the room. Since you can't do that, how
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what are you going to convey to them virtually about
what they're getting from you in their locker room? Probably
just you know, like you said, just a level minded
kind of UM player, just not real um, too big
into the high too big into social media. Just wanted
to get down and work and and play for someone
bigger than itself, play for my mom, my family, my teammates, um,
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you know, and just being an honest, genuine person. Um.
That's kind of what I probably myself on is just
being a good person to whoever it may be. So well,
I think you're likely to hear the name trayvon Marrig
on Thursday night of the draft because he is for
sure in that first round conversation. And you can follow
him on social media both Twitter and Instagram. Are at
the Real Underscore Tray seven, Trayvon, thanks so much for
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joining us, Thank you for having me. It's been a
blessed joining us. Now out here at Exos in Frisco
is Mississippi State running back Kyle and Hill. You can
follow him on Twitter. Are at h Underscore Kaylan and
Kylan as k y l I n Kylan. How you doing, man,
I'm doing pretty good. You know, I'm just blessed to
be right here, be here right now. Yes, sir, Now,
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I know you just came out of a Senior Bowl.
It was a i know, a big week for you,
a good week for you. A lot of people. Uh
there's that one clip going around social media that was
going on viral. You just locking up everybody in pass
pro looking good. How was that experience just in general
of the Senior Bowl? And talk about how you think
it benefited you, especially in a time where this uh
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you know, you know we're not gonna have the combine
the normal way that we would. How do you think
it was beneficial to you? Yeah? Like you said with
the combine, and I feel like we got a lot
of benefit through it, you know, especially when I wanted
the coaches learning experience, no preparing us for the next
step that most guys won't have the opportunity to the experience. Also,
so UM extremely blessed to being situation to solve my skills.
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And from a lot of coaches, you debated opting out
last year, decided to finish up at Mississippi State Mike
Leach shaking over the head coach, and then opted out
of three games. Why really basically a lot during during
the flag situation with my family being too harassed over
the situation, so they were really a family decision. Also
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for fans that aren't familiar with the flag situation, walked
them through that. UM basically Um misically been known for
having a Confederate flag over our his for generation even
beyond my generation. So me and a couple of guys
and coaching and stuff, we got together as a family
and just came together, and his family thought it was
time for it to come down. How hard was that
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on your family and was that kind of your first
foray in seeing how how tough it can be out there?
When you put yourself in that that public eye. Yeah,
it were real tough. You know, I had a lot
of back lass. You know, lass to come to me
also comes to my family being an athlete, so I
had a lot of the take up on had the
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material or early. But I have no regrets at all.
You're proud of the outcome? Yeah course, you know. I
feel like I did a good d so it would
be very proud of him. Do you think that's something
that you know, even though as you mentioned it was
it was tough on your family, and it was tough
on you, and it caused missages, it's still something that
you look back on, um, really proudly and fondly and say,
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you know, I made a real difference. And and do
you think it's something that NFL teams can look at
and go, Okay, there's a guy who shows leadership traits.
There's a guy who who's comfortable in his own skin
and isn't afraid to to do what he believes is right. Yeah,
you know what I did. I feel like a lot
of younger players under me, uh can look up to
what I did. You know, don't be afraid, don't be
afraid of the outcome. So I wasn't scared at all.
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You know, sometimes people always ask me, did I regret it?
Um not at all. I feel like got me no mistakes.
So I just go by day by days, stay blessed.
Do you have any regrets about not that situation specifically,
but do you have any regrets about going back to school?
Do you, I mean, do you just wish you would have, uh,
potentially just stay you know, stayed in the draft last year,
or had you know, decided to opt out of this year.
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Once you've gone back and seeing the COVID situation, do
you wish you had done anything differently with that process? Um? No,
not at all. I came back, you know, to show
scouts that also kissed the ball and not just the
pounding ground running back. So even though I played through games,
I feel like in the games I did play, I
played it twenty three kids close to three hunding yards,
So I did what I could. Confidence look at the
stats that opener, it was it was something like ninety
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four catches for you know seven, I mean, it was
it was obscene because some Mississippi state records there. Now
it's interesting you talked there about showing your different skills
that we talked about, how you had looked really good
in past protection that the Senior Bowl, and how you
already everybody knew you were a prolific runner at Mississippi State,
and then you went back and showed that you could
do in the receiving game. There's this chatter a little
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bit with the game is so pass heavy now that
running backs are kind of becoming obsolete. People seem to think, Um,
what would you say in reply to that thought that
that the running back position is becoming obsolete? And how
valuable do you think your skill set is being that
you are so multifaceted when teams are looking they want
a different type of back these days. Um, I feel
like me, Jasie, I'm just right now. I'm just feeling
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in all the blanks that people said that what I
can't do. So like they said, it's all just a
ground of power runner and can kids I did that? Uh?
People said, I come pass block, so the same ball
I focused on pass block. Can approve that, you know,
Just like I said, I was just trying to fill
in all the blanks that all my Dada said I
can't do, and so far looking very positive. There's a
fearlessness about you that stands out to me. Where does
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that come from? That just boring to me? That had
my dad raised me like my dad about eight years old.
My dad with me a five hour come morning we
go job, just me and told me always attacked the
game with a uh with feious to be fierce seven.
I love it. You said. One of the guys you
stay in touch with is a guy we know pretty
well here in Dallas, Dak Prescott. Yeah, what's that relationship like?
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And not just football? What is he meant to you?
As as having a guy that's played at Mississippi State,
who's been in the league and for that matter, has
found himself and the news a lot, and and how
he handles it has always been so graceful with that.
You know, when you couldn't miss him to state a
Dak Chris got like, I would take nothing away from God.
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Incredible player. Uh, just beside the player, he's an incredible person.
You know what he did, especially just he played the
game for his mom, arresting peace to his mom. Uh.
Tremendous guy, charitable guy. He always come back and I
tried my best to work here. Events He just a
guy that young kids should look up to just outside
of football, just as a person. How much would you
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like to, uh, potentially share the backfield with him? I mean,
you're hearing Fristco, You're you're near Cowboys headquarters. How cool
would it be to the Cowboys? That would be a blessing?
You know. I feel like missip State fans would go crazy.
They love it. They're they're rabbit over there. Now, did
you get it? Did you get a chance to talk
to the Cowboys a Senior Bowl? And if so, how
to that out? It went very well. Um, we had
tremendous talk. You know, it's just it's something that I
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can't say, but they just told me I had great,
tremendous talent and look forward to saying me and singing bowl.
I also loved that everyone thinks that just because the
Cowboys talked to Kylan he's a running back to that
means there's no room for Zeki Elliott. Yeah, exactly, That's
where I wanted to go there. Sometimes I feel like
there is a misperception of Zeke because he isn't He's
(44:17):
not consistently as personable as Dak is sometimes. But if
you get Zeke away from the media. He's actually a
great guy. So what's been your takeaway? Because you know,
even with like Tony Pollard and some of those guys,
you know, his former coach, Gary Brown would tell me,
you know, he'd be there at the you know, dinners
at Gary's house and and how much he brought the
(44:39):
guys up and even when he wasn't playing, encouraging guys
to go out there and be their best. What have
you taken away from a guy like Zeko, especially because
he's such good friends with Dac. I would imagine that
by extension you get some of that friendship. Yeah, man, Zeke,
we've been trade in numbers, you know, communicate, you know
it basically just guys like him a care and basically
(44:59):
told me this stay, stay grinding the process, to go
by fad you know on the blink of an eye,
gonna be draft day. You know, like they just kept
the real me, real blint. You know, they told me
to work my butt off and just take care of everything. Everything.
Gona heap him for yourself. I love that you're in
touch with Alvin Kimara because you know, Sean Payton new
Orlen Saints loves to say that he stood on the
table and being to sup for Alvin. Alvin obviously was
(45:24):
a guy that was a little bit overlooked. You talk
about filling in the blanks and not wanting to be
pigeonholed in one particular area, and he's certainly shown you
that with his game. What is Alvin taught you about
being more of a multidimensional running back, especially in today's
game and the way that position has been undervalued. Yeah,
I feel like Alvin changed the game for running bad,
just like being straight up. You know Alvin, you don't know,
(45:45):
he can be a guy. He can go between the
hole and here to line up wide into here too
for eight yards. He did basically changed the game for
running bad to what it is today. Put back on
the market, you know. Tremendous guy, tremendous talent. What did
you think of a six touchdown game on Christmas? Oh,
he was going I was kind of man kind of
(46:05):
you know, he got an end zone. He was counting out,
counting right with him. You're sitting they're really cheering on
the number six and everything. You know. Yeah, I feel
like he was doing it for the running backs. Yeah,
you're going in for the running it. He was doing
it for the culture. That's what That's what it was
all about. Now you you mentioned filling in all the blanks? Uh,
what is it you think is the most outstanding question?
You think teams are gonna want to know about you?
(46:26):
Since you are trying to answer as many questions, what
do you think is remaining for you to to sell
teams on? Um? Basically, I don't know, So I just
just wait the next chime whatever whatever dready want me
to do. I'm just trying to master it. Now, let's
do some get to know you stuff. I do want
to ask him. One other thing. I love this notion
that your dad was getting you up at such a
young age to run it five in the morning, because,
(46:49):
like I said, I'm sitting here and we talked to
a lot of guys. I've talked a lot of guys
of the years, but there's this fearlessness about you, and
there was also this it seemed very intentional. Are you
into certain books? Are there are certain guys that you
are documentaries that you're into? Like where else do you
get some of your inspiration basically being being from MISSI
(47:10):
being underrated my life? So the fields to the fire
love it now if you weren't, as we ask some
of these kids to know your questions, if you weren't
pursuing football, what would you be going after? You're a
psychology major, right, yeah, I'll be what you're doing there?
You go? All right? All right? Well, and I want
to ask you about that too, because I do think
that if you're into psychology, it helps you a lot
(47:31):
as a reporter. I highly recommend the book that I've
been reading is The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green.
It's Bible thick, but it really helps you understand people
in their motivations. And so I think if you obviously
pursue psychology, you're interested in that stuff. We've watched Calvin,
I mean, Cameron Jordan's and mark Ingram do their podcast
(47:53):
during the season. Is that something you'd be interested in doing?
Is because we've seen so many players that are able
to sort of start writing their media were early. Could
you see yourself doing that? And who would be your
ideal co host? Um? I've seen myself doing I feel
like communicate very well, Um co host, I don't know.
It can be let's do a current player and a
(48:14):
past player or somebody you're training with. Maybe you got
you got here? Is there anybody here who would be
real dynamic with you here that you're training with? I
had to say, Jay Adams, there you go, Jay Adams
in Jama Chase, there you go, Jamal, people named Jamal Quab,
Jamal class. Who is your who is your ideal interview?
Like for us, we got Teo. I mean I grew
(48:34):
up the biggest Teo fans, so did that was like?
That was for us like our biggest get on this show.
And we've inter read a lot of people, um, but
TiO was huge for us because I had so many questions,
who's your one person that you would absolutely have to
book on your your podcast Today's NFL right now? Just
it could be otherwise. Oh that's a good one. I
(48:56):
had to say. I had to go for today. I
had to go on my former teammate Janet Able. Oh there,
John is John John is one of I remember interview
Jonathan over at m JP two years ago and it
was the It was the funniest thing. I remember talking
to everybody to ask about like, you know, hey, what
do you think about the Dallas there? Because they're here training,
It's like, what do you think about it? They're like, oh,
it'd be great to play for the Cowboys. When I
(49:18):
asked them, what do you think about playing for the Cowboys,
He's like, well, I really like the schools out here. Um,
you know, I got I got a kid, and so like,
you know, it would be a good place to raise it.
Like he didn't have anything to say about football. It
was all about like, oh, yeah, you know, the school
systems are good over here, and there's a lot of parks.
It's approaching like a job, like he's going to sign
with Amazon, great school district for the kids. I remember
Dane Brugler from the Athletics said that teammate and you
(49:39):
maybe be able to speak to this. He said, teammates
used to kind of joke with him that he was
the grandpa on the team. Today, I feel like he
was forty years old. Almost team you know, uh energy,
Oh yeah, yeah, and nfor sir. That's a guy who
that's a guy who's got some attitude. Now when you
look at uh in terms of like you you're you're
a Madden guy. You play all right, so next year
(50:02):
you'll be in the game. If somebody happened to grab
the team that you play on before you could get
to it and you you've digitally, you've got this crease
where he's about to go for eight yards? Are you
tackling yourself or you're gonna let yourself get some shine?
You're just gonna score. Yeah, I don't care when my
overallly is. I'm I'm putting myself in a game. It's
the started point bank. Just go stack at it. You're
(50:22):
gonna go for the seven touchdowns. You're gonna pass Alvin? Okay,
And where's the where's the tat over there? The egg?
So yeah, he's got the egg. There we go. That's perfect.
Now when it comes to would you rather this is
one of the things that I always like to ask people.
Would you rather live without music for the rest of
your life? Or TV movies? Streaming service type things? TV movies?
(50:43):
You'd rather keep the music? What's what's like the big game?
I don't I don't know who's theme hype artist, not
a particular song, who who's like, what's an artist? We're
definitely gonna Chicago, so I gotta go a little dirt, okay, alright,
not not like old school Chicago to say literally Chico.
But I was like, oh my gosh, she's an eight
save I've now become your biggest advocate. I'm still going
(51:07):
to be one of your big advocates. But she was
expecting Peter Sater. I was like, have you watched the
YouTube channel where it's the young guys that listen to
the eighties music and they throw backs and they're like,
they're like teenagers, they've never heard it before. Like, oh man,
it's like man that hits. That's It's one of my
(51:29):
favorite YouTube channels. On the podcast, you can do that
like Kylan reacts to seventies. We see, we see where
you you'd fall down on that now because you are
We've talked about such a outspoken guy and somebody who
cares a lot about how things go off the field.
How would you like people to remember you outside of
the game of football? Um? Just a guy who then
back down for anything. You know, a guy it spoke
(51:51):
his mind. You know, I got it the truthful about
a lot of things. Uh, some people may not like it,
but approach the game very hard working guy. Do you
think it's important then that you go to a locker
room that lets you be you? In other words, I
cover a lot of teams where the coaches themselves say
we just want our guys to be our guys. And
(52:11):
then there's other locker rooms where sort of tow the
line where do you where would you? I feel like
I've got an idea of it, but what would be
most natural for you? I mean, I get it. Look,
wherever you get the call is where you fall. But
locker room a lot of fun guys and there he'll be,
He'll be, he'll be amazing. But then again, I know
that it's a business also, So we want to go
(52:33):
on a locker room with the doll series and everything.
I'm gonna do my job. There's my job. Also, I
see him in New Orleans. I feel like he's got
like a whole New Orleans. But he'd be perfect there, Kyla.
You can follow him on Twitter and then look for
that podcast where he reacts to Peter Stara Chicago Queen
all the seventies music. You're gonna love the way he
hits those power and telling it's great. He's smooth. Yeah,
(52:55):
you can follow Kayland on Twitter at h Underscore Kayland, Kyla,
appreciate you, my no problem man, Thank you all right. So,
like I said, I love getting to know these guys.
I hope you learned as much as we learned from them,
and we'll continue to learn about them in the coming weeks.
We're trying to get ahead of this before we start
seeing the news articles come out and more and more
teams start talking about their interests. We're sort of getting
(53:17):
to know them in the early stages, which is what
I love. I loved this part. It's good. They're still
enthusiasm from them. They haven't been over interviewed yet. They're excited.
It's like last year when we saw it Des Bryant
working out and you saw the draft picks, like just
you know, going gaga watching that. You see that with
like a Gerald McCoy being up here somebody else to
see them just kind of like staring and ah, my goodness,
(53:37):
look at steer up McCoy. So yeah, no no ego yet.
Next episode, we've got some good interviews for you. We're
gonna be talking with Peyton Turner from Houston has the
wing span of a car with its doors open um.
And then we'll also be talking to William Bradley King
or b K the Bailor defensive end, and then our
friend Brandon Tucker from Trench warfare training, about all these
(53:58):
guys and then also about some of the cowboys that
he's been training. Where Tristan Hill's at with his recovery, Um,
you know how Neville Gallamore is progressing, so lots of
good information on that next episode. I's like, man, it
is cool. I need to learn something
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