Click here to subscribe directly to the Lights Out with Shawne Merriman podcast! What is going on with America's team? On this episode of the Lights Out Podcast With Shawne Merriman, Shawne talks with the hardest hitting safeties to ever play for the Dallas Cowboys, All-Pro Safety Roy Williams. Roy flat out tells the Cowboys locker room that opposing teams are licking their chops to play them, but can it be fixed? Roy says, "I honestly don't know how you fix...How do you fix heart? How do you fix effort?"
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We're back again on the Lights Out podcast with me
Shawn Merriman. Got a great guest today, former Dallas Cowboys
strong guest free safety. I didn't know now he was
moved over by Bill Park Sales and have to do
more things. But Roy Williams man, um, you know, came
in a two thousand to play safety the Dallas Cowboys
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and one of my favorite guys to watch as I
was coming in and draft in two thousand five. We're
just coming downhill man of bringing the heat. I mean,
this dude really really brought to wood and what I
call the last one of the last of the dying breed,
where uh, you've got guys just coming and play the
game the way it's supposed to be played, and somehow,
some way they implemented that damn horse caller rule and
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that was one of the guys I believe that they
might have been targeting, at least he feels that anyway.
But he's doing a bunch of great stuff. Now just
talking about the Dallas Cowboys now, man, and what they're
putting on film and the lack of effort, um, and
how the locker room is different than when he played,
and how the locker room and and the team is
playing now, um, and so it's not something that he's
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accustomed to and he's been accustomed to. And he said
it's a lack of effort. I said the same thing.
They're just showing the lack of effort right now and
got to get it together. So again, Roy Williams, man,
you still look like you can. You can come downhill
a little bit right now. I can come down here.
That ain't ever going anywhere. Man. You know I got that.
You have to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm
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gonna go ahead and jump in the man, because I
got some stuff now because I used to Uh. I
used to watch you a lot, man, especially when I
came into the league, and you always have like these
you know guys you look at no matter what position
they are, but when they go off there they start
cracking skulls. You're like, man, I'm gonna watch that, dude,
because that's you know that anybody who guys like you
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who made me want to play football. Man was coming downhill. Um,
you know, just played the game the right way, you
know what I'm saying. So I look at the day's
game now, and people ask me all the time would
I still be able to play? And I said, I
probably not. I don't think so. You think you think
you can play in the day's game, No I can't.
I want that would Uh yeah, because these rules, you
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know you you wanted to see them too. Taking care
of guys, right, you don't want to see anybody get
hurt or injured. You know the hell meant the helm
and stuff. Great, I got it. You want to protect
guys as much as possible possible. But hell man, at
the same time, still it's still ball. You know. You
gotta let guys go out and play. Oh for sure.
I mean it's it's tough. I mean it's I actually
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have some troll on on Twitter talk about um. He
posted an old oh seven or oh six clip don
Ric Nab and a horse collar him and he was like, oh,
you're a dirty player. And I decided to lay into him,
you know how, to let him know, Like, look, first off, um,
my first five or six years in the league, the
horse collar wasn't even a thing. And I said, it's crazy,
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how in the one hundred years that the football has
been around, all of a sudden, the NFL wants to
deem that a dirty play. And now I'm a dirty player?
So what about the guys that came before me? Are
they dirty players? Too? Like? Come on, like, come on, dog,
we're gonna get rid of me. Do you know? You
know they always need the excuse, they always need a reason. Uh,
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but you know I gave him right. But okay, So
so this's the thing. I always said this. I hate when,
like when when the younger player, like when I'm playing
or something like that, or another guy that came in
like during our area era and you have a guy
to play, like in early nineties, and they will say
all these guys are soft now days and this and this.
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I was like, dude, look the games moved on, you know,
And I always looked at the old guys as haters, right, like,
come on, do like the game? Okay, yeah, the game
has changed, but there's no need to really come and
step down on the guys in today's game. But now
me being retired, you know, for all these years, I'm
looking to get the game now, and I'm like, man,
those that's soft. They can't call that. So I now
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putting myself in the same situation as as one of
the older guys, I'm like, damn, did I did I
just get over real quick? Or what happened? Yeah, it's
it's um watching today's game. I mean, they just have
to conform to the new rules. I get that. But
what I was I grew up on was Steve Attwater
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wanting a lot, you know what I mean, Darren Woodson,
John In. Those are the guys I got to watch,
and Ronnie was leading with this form. What was I doing?
Leading with my form? I mean I was doing everything
that I watched the guys before me do. And so nowadays,
I mean, like, if you think about it, if you
see a hard hit in the league, now, the first
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thing a defender does he looks up and he looks
to the side, either to the left or right, wherever
he's at, or where the reference at to see. If
you got a fifteen year plenty, that's not football. Yeah,
so that's not football. I want I say the same thing,
and people don't understand that the you gotta a split second, right,
so you've seen a guy there, You see nobody catch
the ball or run or whatever it is, and you
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gotta split second to make a decision. And and what's
going on in my head is I want this guy
on the ground by any meaning necessary. If I got
to run through you, if I you know, gott to
hit you with certain parts of my head, whatever it is,
I want this guy, and you want to punish him.
And and I want to make the the distinction between
trying to hurt some body and then letting them know
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that you're there. You're not trying to go out and intentionally,
you know, hurt anybody because they got families and they
got a career. But if it's fair game, man, I'm
ship I'm getting you on the ground by any means necessary, period,
exactly exactly. That's the way. That's the way I played
the game. It's by by any means necessary. I mean
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I let my teammates SNeW you can't even get it.
I'm sorry, Like I mean, I had friendly fire a
ton of times. It wasn't intentionally, but I mean I
hit Darren was and I had Terence Snow when I
had Keith Davis, Anthony Henry, Aaron Glenn I mean, I
had a whole bunch of guys on accident, but they
were they were close. I got the other guy too,
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but you were just hey, you hit by some friendly fire.
That was just I was just friendly fire. Yeah yeah.
But when you crossed, when you go in between those
white lines, it is on. There ain't no I mean,
there's no prisoners. I mean you're out for I was.
I was out. I come to speak for myself. I
was out from right. No. So I came in, I
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was drafted and oh five, and see, I don't know
if you knew this or not, but you know I
was supposed to be drafted by you guys when you
were when you're playing. So yeah, so what happened was
right before the draft, and you guys got that. You
didn't make a wrong pick. You got de Marcus Ware.
I mean, don't get it. I mean it wasn't like
they made a mistake. But so when I came there
doing the draft. Before the draft, they brought in like
their top ten of fifteen guys that they were looking
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at in the first round. So they flew us all
out to Dallas, and I was there on my visit
and we're all in the locker room. You got all
the guys, you end up going somewhere in the top fifteen.
So I'm down there just everybody else. But they're showing
us the locker room, showing us the facility. And one
of the things I saw on there, I saw who
was he? Larry Island. So we came in and you
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guys are working out one day and then we was
in the gym. I lotched you not I saw Larry
to throw four plates and they I didn't see him
warm up, and he cranked that thing out for like
four or five and like at least ten or fifteen times,
and I couldn't I couldn't believe my eyes. I said,
Holy ship is this is this is what I have
to face when I get up here. This is wild.
I didn't know how strong he was. So we go
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through the gym and while watching all the guy's workout,
I'm seeing everybody up close for the first time. So
we walked through the locker room and next thing I know,
somebody came and grabbed me from downstairs and they said, hey,
um Parcels and Jerry Jones, they want to see you upstairs.
So first thing, you know, you think that when something happens.
I said, okay, what did I do wrong? Right? The
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first thing to go through my head, Okay, what did
I do wrong? Because everybody else downstairs they said they
want to see you up in the office. So I said, okay, cool.
He walked me upstairs and Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels
and sitting there in the office and we get to
talk and they said, look, we got the leventh pick
of the draft. Now we don't think you're gonna be
there at the level we think he would be somewhere
in the top five, top eight. And I said, okay, cool.
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Would they say, if if you're there by the eleventh pick,
we're gonna draft you. And I was sitting there like, oh,
you know, I didn't think that they were gonna tell
me the way they did. They said, no, no no, if
you're there by leven pick, we're gonna draft you. I'll
never forget Bill Parcels. The first thing he said to me,
he said, Sean, when you get here, I'm gonna work
the hell out of your ass. And so I'm thinking
in my head, I'm twenty years old. Man. I'm like, man,
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I'm not trying to come here and play Dad Bill
parselves because you know I heard you know, you heard
about him how he was, and everybody else back in
the day, and your coach Lawrence Tailling and something, a
lot of great players, and you would just hear how
he went at everybody. And I got my first dost
of Bill Parcels in that office. He said, yeah, when
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we drafted you, as soon as you get here, we're
gonna work the dog pits out of you. And I
was like, oh my god. I was like, oh my,
so you played, I mean you played for how was
he man like? It was? I love Coach Parcels. Man Um.
I didn't like the fact of when he came in
he literally just came to him as like, you're not
gonna be a one dimensional of safety. You're gonna have
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to play cover two, which I can do that. I
didn't like to do that because I like to pop
my paths. I like to get in there and get
messy with the big guys. Um. But I I mean
I did that, and I mean I was one of
I would say I was one of his guys. I
truly was. I was his style of play guy that
he liked. Hard nosed um brought the wood you know,
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didn't have any quit any of that. I was his guy.
I was one of his guys. Um. And he used
to always have these little sayings like one he would
say he would say to Tony Romo, so he would say,
you're like a football and high weeds. You're lost art
Thieve would have. He would have all these little sayings, man.
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And he used to always tell me it was me
only a few people, me, Larry Allen and like Darren Woodson.
And he's always come up to ards and just whisper.
I got one good fight left in me. Don't make
me use it on you. So I mean, but that
was coaching back to Larry Allen. That was Larry's him
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up without it out. I experienced the same thing that
you experience. He'll throw three or four plates on there.
Bump bump, bump, bump bump. Done. You know what I mean?
And Um, but that was just Larry. Larry was. He
was a different animal. And I'm it was one time
we were practiced. I was blitzing from Larry's left. I
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was coming from the right, he was. I was coming
on his left. He literally, shoot you not. He All
he did was he was back in the stance and
how they did it was like this, and I swear
to god, I flew apy five yards sideways in the air.
And now like Larry was so so damn strong that
it's crazy. It was. It was next level and that
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so I think it was it was either two thousand
five or two having six or two thousand and seven.
I believe you guys had at least five or six
plus Pro bowlers on that on that team was one
of one of the years. And I'm kind of saying,
what's what's going on there out? And I understand it
the way it looks to me? What what what the
Cowboys is that they're not playing for the coach like
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or the coaching staff or whatever that is. But you know,
I've been on teams where you know, he got lorenz
O'Neil Ladany and Thomas and Philip rivers Um, Nick Harword,
Chris delt me, all these guys that Jamal Williams like,
if you wasn't doing what you're supposed to do, the
players kind of control the locker room. So how how
was it when you guys were playing if something was
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going on right now with the team, Because that that
didn't happen when you were there. If something like that's
going on right now, what would that locker room be
like the locker room? I mean, you you don't let
family business outside the locker room. That's football, one on one,
that's code, you know what I mean. You just don't.
You don't air out family business regardless of what the
situation is. That's just the way I was brought up.
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Today's age, and what's going on now with the Cowboys
is I mean, there is I think the has lost
the locker room and they're I mean, they're at a disarray.
It's like, nope, it's basically players versus coaches the way
I'm feeling, you know what I mean, And there their
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player is rebelling regardless of the outcome of the games
and how they how they're looking. I'm sorry, I couldn't
step on the field and look like that. I'm even
if we're getting beat, I'm gonna be rough housing all
the way to those double zeros in the fourth quarter.
I don't care what it is, but what they're doing
right now in the football field is I mean, it's
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a disgrace to them. It's a disgrace to the organization
and it's a disgrace to um, to the coaching staff.
I don't know what needs to happen. I don't know
if the coaches need to be relieved or some of
the players need to relieve, but somebody needs to drop
that hammer and let it be know like this is unacceptable.
I mean every NFL team in any given Sunday, like
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we all know, can it can win. But they can't
win the way the Cowboys haven't losing like I mean,
it's it's very sad to watch them no effort, Like
how do you how do you suit up on the
NFL team and not have zero effort? You know what
I mean? Like, at what point somebody just get a
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and I and I said the same thing. And I'll remember.
I remember that when we started off one and three
and o uh in the two thousand I believe it
with two thousand and seven one just one and three,
I mean, Philip Rivers. We we kicked all the coaches
out the meeting room and we got after it. I mean,
you've got guys, mother f and each other point, you know,
we got after each other and not to meet all
the great teams. And we finished up thirteen I believe
(17:51):
thirteen and three that year. But to me, that's what
the great teams do, Like the players always ran the
locker room. Like we had coaches that everybody didn't agree
with didn't like it as much or whatever, But as
you said, like that film is still on. So whatever
you put on film, whether you're gonna be playing for
the team or not, like that next team looking at
you dogging it on the play, not running the sideline
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the sidline or quitting or getting blocked and being okay
with it, and would piss me off the most is
when Andy Dalton got hit, right when that laid hit.
For me, if somebody was to hit Philip Rivers, then
it would have been a fight. I would have got
I would got a fight. I would have got ejected.
Something's gonna happen or that very next play. If he
wasn't ejected, we were coming after period because we wouldn't.
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We wasn't gonna let that slide exactly without a doubt.
I mean, I'm surprised the office alignement and run over
there and jump on top of the like I mean,
I mean, if that sorry doc is out, you know
what I mean? Now he quarterback one, you have to
do everything to protect him, you know, regardless of how
this season is going, how the game is going. That
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forget quarterback one. That's your brother, you know what I mean,
that's family I don't. I don't care if I didn't
get along with somebody, But that's my guy, you know
what I mean, And ain't anchor. I mean just because
I pick on him, I don't like them, that doesn't
mean you can mess with him like and that's not there.
Like the the togetherness, the familiness, the brotherhood. I mean
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that to me, it's out the window, like I mean,
nobody got I mean, we're fighting. It's like those fighting words,
like we fight even lights out, let's go the thing
that let's go, it was on it was on it.
But that that to me, that told me a lot
on what the team was and how they felt about
each other. Because either we get not as kicked out there,
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you hit the quarterback late and you that kind of
hit man where you can change somebody's career type of
type of deal. That game is not going to be
at the zoom like we It's gonna people get injected,
people getting fined, and we're all gonna be happy about it.
To let it be known. It's not going down like this.
But when you when guys out there and you're okay,
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Like I look at the sidelines out there and I
see nobody yelling at each other. I see nobody getting
at each other's faces like nothing. And on top of that,
as you said before you got you got guys that
are airing out, um you know, family business, locker room business.
To reporters that we all know. That's no, no, and
one thing. I always try to tell players that if
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you're talking to reporter or somebody on the side, you
gotta understand they have more of allegiance with the ownership
and the front office. So you think that that's gonna
be a one on one conversation, They're gonna go back
up and tell who it is, even when they tell
even when they tell you, they're not, even when they
tell you that they're not going to go up and
the way, oh it's between us, it's never between us.
They got that allegiance to that general manager, to that owner,
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and they will literally do everything they can to find
out which player it was. Then the leak in leak
in the business. Yeah, and they should be gone. Mean
that's just how I feel. I mean, it's just writers
writers right and wrong is wrong, and that that they
were all way in and wrong. I don't care what happens.
I don't care if you get cut. You know what
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I'm saying, You still don't talk about things that you have.
I mean, there should be some type of confidentiality within
your brotherhood, you know what I mean. Like for instance,
there was a play like an oh seven are six
or seven? Thing? Was O seven? That I get blamed
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for and I take the blame and I would never
mention the guy's name whose fault it really was, Like,
I mean, I took all the blame. Like I mean,
from that day on, I was deemed a person that
couldn't cover. I couldn't do this and it wasn't even wrong. Man.
I was in switch coverage and I had to tight
end over ten yards and they which the team did.
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I mean they literally ran the tight end twelve yard
right and right by me, and so I had to
take them, you know what I mean? And so I
got blamed for um the deep ball. I mean, they
came back and was Washington resident As they came back
and beat the Santana Moss went over the tip and
I had Chris Cooley and I get blamed for it.
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And I don't even I don't even mention my teammate's
name that that had him, you know what I mean
it's like, now I take it, I eat it. I
mean whatever, as long as you guys know that that
wasn't my responsibility. But I'll take it. And I still
don't even talk about my teammate that whose man it
really was. I don't even say his name. It's I mean,
that's just cold, you know what I mean. But that's
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what But that's what not only good teammates do, but
good teams do you know what I'm saying, Like nobody,
nobody is gonna come out the first thing if we
we lose something like that, the first thing I would
come out and say, look, I need to get to
the quarterback. You know, the quarterback had too much time.
It's not that all the blitcher was this. And you know,
I've seen a couple of guys came out of the
locker room on the defense side of the ball for
the Cowboys and they basically said the h that the
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defense too complex, right, that they need to like dumb
down the defense, which he probably what he probably was right.
I mean, he probably was writing what he said that
they need to let guys go out and play football.
And I had um, I had Wayne phillips On just
a few weeks ago, and wait, you know, ways, my guy, man,
I love way before. I still say, look, way put
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me in so many great positions to go out and
make plays. But I knew the first time that the
quarterback had too much time or somebody had too many
passing yards on us. I was like, look, man, we
we gotta get to the We gotta get to the
quarterback or I gotta get to the quarterback. And that's
what good teams do, not throwing guys under the bus. Man.
This is I don't think I've ever seen, especially from
from the Cowboys, man, and just the defenses you guys had,
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and I still talked to the markets we're here and
there too. And the type of teams you guys had
from like oh two onto I think it was like
two thousand eight or nine or something like that, where
you got just stacked, had a touch, had a ton
of talent. And I never seen anybody on that on
that team that you guys had put what's being is
being put on film right now, what's going on right
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now is just atrocious. It is. I mean, it's it's
difficult to watch. I mean it's at the end of
the day, even if the defense is complex. At the
end of the day, the rules of the defense is
tackled the ball carrier and there is no excuse for
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effort when it comes to being a complex defense or not.
How you gotta do, you know what, go to the
ball to tackle the ball carrier, regardless of the yardists
that they get are a negative play that you you make.
It doesn't even matter. At the end of the day.
It's excess and those tap of the ball herring instead
of you know what I'm saying that it's coaching making
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a too complex. How about you reaching between your legs
see if you feel anything, and if you do, you
need to man up. I mean, that's just the way.
That's just the way I was brought up. I had,
Mike Zimmer, you know what I mean? I had, I had,
I had um. I had broken pieces of a nose
from a punter's nose in my knee and it was
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hurting like crazy. And you know what Mike Zimmer said,
He said, you're all right. He's like, you fucking right,
you all right, get your ass back in the game.
Broken knee brad, broken pieces of cartilage from a front's
knee in my knee, and even still put me back
out on the field. I mean, that's just where it was.
I mean I did. I mean to my coach, no, shoot,
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man up, let's go. You got to but busy, that's why.
And that's the way I know about it. You put
fingers back in place, you dislocate your shoulder, you go
on the syline by the towel, put that thing back
in place, you run back on the field. You know,
that's the mentality we had. And I'm trying to stay
away from being the old guy now. Like you guys
just off you that you don't want to do that.
But it's like, man, you got these guys with big contracts,
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you know, and I love to see guys get paid
with the Marcus Lawans got that contract, yea, I was,
I was. I don't even know him that well or whatever.
Being a former defensive player. You see somebody scored that big,
You're like, y'all, that's that's that's outstanding. You love to
you guys get paid. But then you see I'm going
out there and and go several weeks without getting sacked.
You're like, yo, listen, you met go on that money dog,
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you know, because you you know you're message enough for
other people. You know, they're gonna stop paying guys if
you disappear. Yeah, they're gonna call that back if you don't,
if you don't produce. I mean, I'm all four guys
getting paid. I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing. Um,
it's a long time coming. Um. But your play, honestly,
your play has your play has to back it up,
you know what I mean. And your effort has to
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back it up. And your leadership has to back it up.
And those three things have not been displayed through the
organization thus far every game out they played. I mean
that hasn't. They have no leadership, They have no heart,
they have no desire, they have they have nothing right now,
they're just guys out there on the football field running
(26:54):
around with their heads carf. That's just how do they
fix up? Though? And you're like what they you get
rid of coaches at that point you start getting rid
of guys, like what would need to happen? I honestly
don't know how you fix the number one problem starting
off with and that's hard. How do you how do
you fix how do you fix hard? How do you
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fix effort? Like? I mean, that's why I said the code.
It's way past the coaches. I mean, it's the locker
room was lost because at the end of the day,
I don't know why, and they may have these conversations,
but even if they have these conversations, their play in
the film that they um they leave for the next opponent.
(27:38):
They see no effort, they see no heart there. I
mean it's like, you know when you see an offensive
linement that gives you some tips that you know you
can you know, um take advantage of you looking at
your chops. Every team right now offense are licking their
chops to play the Cowboys because they know that's an
easy buck fifty Russian, that's a that's that's three bills passing,
(28:01):
you know what I mean. They are looking their chops.
It's like, at the end of the day, you have
to man up and play. I'm not I'm not being
old school or anything. It's it's about pride at the
end of the day. It's like the star that's on
the side of your helmet, whatever team it is, are,
the name played on the back of your on your jersey,
that should mean something like my when I played, my
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biggest thing was do not get embarrassed in the national
televised TV because I know my boy's gonna climb me
and I do not want to let my family down.
That was it, and I wanted to knock somebody out
and laugh with Darren Woodson about it. That was my
rules myself was simple. It was so simple, and they don't.
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They don't have that fire like I don't understand why
they don't have that fire, Like, dude, I played nine years.
That nine years went by so fast, Like, do not
take these years for granted, because you're not gonna be
able to give them back. So you have to make
the most of every opportunity, and every with every game
that they play, they're letting opportunities slip away. It is
(29:06):
hard to get to the playoffs. It is not an
easy thing. And their play, I mean, it's just like
they do not care. I don't know how you fix that.
I truly don't. And the it's not going to help
from a coach's perspective because the coaches haven't done anything
um thus far. That proves to me that they're even uh,
(29:28):
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it is crazy. So what else you got going on? Man?
Because I know you got to you got the security company, right, Um,
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so you tell tell me a little bit about it.
So um back, so everyone. So when I was playing
in Dallas, I always wonder why guys moved back to
their college towns. And there was an opportunity for me
to go to Columbus, Ohio. And I've seen Eddie George
at restaurants, he at real estate, and I was like,
(32:30):
you know what, when I'm done playing, I'm gonna move
back to Oklahoma. I don't know what's gonna happen, but
something's gonna happen, you know. And so after I played
My Tears in Cincinnati, I moved back to Dallas, and
I just I just felt like it was a dark
cloud over Dallas, just the way how that whole thing ended.
I was like, I gotta go. So I left, packed
my staff, moved down to Oklahoma, and um, I was
(32:52):
doing some silar reporting at LU wasn't really for me
because I didn't want to have to go back or
from study learned people's names, and I just didn't want
to do it. Just couldn't do it. Um and then
um um. I was talking to my cousin one day
and I told him, but I think I want to
get some investment properties. And I was like, well, he
needs to me one of my clients. And so I
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met Bill at one of his properties and we were talking,
and um, one thing led to another. He asked me
what I wanted to do, and I was like, I
think I want to get some investment properties. Are I
want to be in business. I want to be my
own boss, and asking what you know he was doing
and he was like, well, I own a security company before.
I'm thinking about getting back into the security business. And
literally God put it in my heart to say to speak,
(33:35):
and I spoke and I said, um, what do you
want another partner? And he was telling me about, you know,
his following out with his partner, and I told him
a little bit about my back story as far as
having some fallouts with some dudes back in Dallas. We
met about six or seven different times and we started
our company. And we founded our company two thousand and twelve.
(33:56):
Around that time, we probably had about twenty employe ways.
We were operating about three states, and now today we're
in twenty five states and have over two thousand employees.
Yeah that's big man. So so how can people look
it up or how do you guys getting you know,
the bulky of business like referrals or what's what's going on.
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It's it's pretty much word of mouth because it's actual
physical guards. Like so at a office building, are the stadium,
are anywhere you see security guards. UM, that's pretty much
therein area. And we don't. We stay away from like
seven elevens and high risk areas where liabilities high. So
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like nightclubs, seven elevens, just liquor stores, anything that UM
has high risk and liability, we try to stay away
from that. So UM we we do a lot UM
across the different states, and we're we actually have government
contracts as out UM, so we worked for the government.
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UM also UM. But UM Global Security Corporation dot com
is the website. UM so, I mean that's how you
can easily end I'm on LinkedIn and all the other
social media stuff, so UM, I'm easily accessible for sure.
That's dope. Man. I always try to tell guys UM
because it's not easy. I don't know if you had it,
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but my first two years even I went straight into
the broadcasting thing, I was still sitting back like it
didn't feel right, you know what I like. I don't
know whether like mentally I couldn't move past the game
right away, or like I didn't know what it was.
Maybe I felt like you see guys out there, you're
sitting on the couch, like, yeah, I can go do
that right now, you know, maybe you're watching guys, you
know you can still play. But I wasn't really comfortable, man,
(35:45):
until about two years of being done. You know, even
when I was behind the booth and some days I
didn't want to watch football, like I didn't want to
turn the TV on, I still had to talk about it.
So I watched just enough and new as you said before,
the guy's name, so you know, so got me to play.
I can go and talk about it the next day.
But I just didn't feel comfortable because those first two years,
(36:06):
that transition. I don't know what it was for you, man,
but for me it was it was a little bit difficult. Yeah,
well for me it was honestly. The way I played
was I mean, I really didn't watch much football because
I just love to play the game, and I didn't
really watch much film. I mean, not film, but like
(36:29):
actual games. I'm studying my film, but as far as
watching games, I just that wasn't me. I just wanted
to play football and that fun. That was literally it.
And round of six or seven when they implemented the
horse collar tackle, I mean that honestly sucked the life
out of me for football. Um. I felt that, um,
they were literally targeting me, and I just felt I
(36:51):
just didn't it wasn't fun for me anymore. It's like
it's like having a pit bull and you have that
be word dog sign on the door, and and a
burglar tries to come in and the dog attacks him,
doesn't doing his job, and then you recommend the dog.
I mean that's how I felt. It's like, dude, I
came into this league. I was here to knock people out,
(37:13):
and then all of a sudden, now you guys want
to penalize me for what you guys brought me here
to do. Like I mean, it just it just wasn't
fun anymore. So. You know, my my last two years
in Cincinnati, I mean it was it was blessed to
get two more years, but just wasn't fun for me anymore. So,
when I retired, I was done, Like I was done done.
I didn't watch. I mean I literally probably last year
(37:33):
was the first year I really started just watching and
just seeing schemes and see how they're you know, attacking people.
But um, but no, I was done, like I was
so done. I mean it's football is And this honestly,
to this day, football is really not even enjoyable to
me to watch because it's not my solid football. I
mean it's it's it's more of a fluff fluff NFL
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than what I was brought up on. What do I
tell you, man? The game, the game miss guys like
you and me coming up and being drafted No. Five. Um,
and I think you came into oh one, oh two,
right one or two year? Oh too? Yeah, and uh,
just seeing you and just one of the guys I
enjoyed watching, man, So I appreciate you for coming on.
And I gotta get out there, man, one of these days.
(38:17):
I've been out there a couple of days, and a
couple of friends of mine have there in the casino business.
They got that big casino out there, So I gotta
I gotta make my way out there sometime soon. Come on,
most definitely. I appreciate the love and respect my brother,
mutual respect for you as well. I mean, I M
(38:38):
but you are, dude, you are more than welcome to
come out here to Oklahoma. Um. I got a lot
of land out this way, and I mean we will
do a lot of honey. Okay, let's do it. I'm in.
We'll go. We'll go hard hunting with the dogs and
nothing but nis, no guns. I'm with it. I'm with it.
I'm with it, all right, my man. I appreciate you
get dude, Thank you, fami. Okay, you got it. Thanks
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Podcast with me Seawan Merriman uh and that was great
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of the last of the dying breed of guys who
came in before they started to implement a lot of
the new rules in the NFL. As I always say,
I don't want to be one of the old guys
and say, oh, you know, the game is soft now
(39:25):
the game is different. I wouldn't necessarily call it soft,
for the game is different. Guys like him, Guys like me,
could not play in today's game. I can tell you
that much. He has a ton of great stuff going on,
has his security company in Oklahoma. He's also offered me
to come out there. I've never been hunting before, so
maybe my first hunting trip will be with Roy Williams,
one of my favorite players to watch. Again. Thank you
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Shawn Merriman. Got a great guest today, former Dallas Cowboys
strong guest free safety. I didn't know now he was
moved over by Bill Park Sales and have to do
more things. But Roy Williams man, um, you know, came
in a two thousand to play safety the Dallas Cowboys
(01:56):
and one of my favorite guys to watch as I
was coming in and draft in two thousand five. We're
just coming downhill man of bringing the heat. I mean,
this dude really really brought to wood and what I
call the last one of the last of the dying breed,
where uh, you've got guys just coming and play the
game the way it's supposed to be played, and somehow,
some way they implemented that damn horse caller rule and
(02:18):
that was one of the guys I believe that they
might have been targeting, at least he feels that anyway.
But he's doing a bunch of great stuff. Now just
talking about the Dallas Cowboys now, man, and what they're
putting on film and the lack of effort, um, and
how the locker room is different than when he played,
and how the locker room and and the team is
playing now, um, and so it's not something that he's
(02:41):
accustomed to and he's been accustomed to. And he said
it's a lack of effort. I said the same thing.
They're just showing the lack of effort right now and
got to get it together. So again, Roy Williams, man,
you still look like you can. You can come downhill
a little bit right now. I can come down here.
That ain't ever going anywhere. Man. You know I got that.
You have to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm
(03:02):
gonna go ahead and jump in the man, because I
got some stuff now because I used to Uh. I
used to watch you a lot, man, especially when I
came into the league, and you always have like these
you know guys you look at no matter what position
they are, but when they go off there they start
cracking skulls. You're like, man, I'm gonna watch that, dude,
because that's you know that anybody who guys like you
(03:23):
who made me want to play football. Man was coming downhill. Um,
you know, just played the game the right way, you
know what I'm saying. So I look at the day's
game now, and people ask me all the time would
I still be able to play? And I said, I
probably not. I don't think so. You think you think
you can play in the day's game, No I can't.
I want that would Uh yeah, because these rules, you
(03:45):
know you you wanted to see them too. Taking care
of guys, right, you don't want to see anybody get
hurt or injured. You know the hell meant the helm
and stuff. Great, I got it. You want to protect
guys as much as possible possible. But hell man, at
the same time, still it's still ball. You know. You
gotta let guys go out and play. Oh for sure.
I mean it's it's tough. I mean it's I actually
(04:08):
have some troll on on Twitter talk about um. He
posted an old oh seven or oh six clip don
Ric Nab and a horse collar him and he was like, oh,
you're a dirty player. And I decided to lay into him,
you know how, to let him know, Like, look, first off, um,
my first five or six years in the league, the
horse collar wasn't even a thing. And I said, it's crazy,
(04:31):
how in the one hundred years that the football has
been around, all of a sudden, the NFL wants to
deem that a dirty play. And now I'm a dirty player?
So what about the guys that came before me? Are
they dirty players? Too? Like? Come on, like, come on, dog,
we're gonna get rid of me. Do you know? You
know they always need the excuse, they always need a reason. Uh,
(04:53):
but you know I gave him right. But okay, So
so this's the thing. I always said this. I hate when,
like when when the younger player, like when I'm playing
or something like that, or another guy that came in
like during our area era and you have a guy
to play, like in early nineties, and they will say
all these guys are soft now days and this and this.
(05:13):
I was like, dude, look the games moved on, you know,
And I always looked at the old guys as haters, right, like,
come on, do like the game? Okay, yeah, the game
has changed, but there's no need to really come and
step down on the guys in today's game. But now
me being retired, you know, for all these years, I'm
looking to get the game now, and I'm like, man,
those that's soft. They can't call that. So I now
(05:35):
putting myself in the same situation as as one of
the older guys, I'm like, damn, did I did I
just get over real quick? Or what happened? Yeah, it's
it's um watching today's game. I mean, they just have
to conform to the new rules. I get that. But
what I was I grew up on was Steve Attwater
(05:56):
wanting a lot, you know what I mean, Darren Woodson,
John In. Those are the guys I got to watch,
and Ronnie was leading with this form. What was I doing?
Leading with my form? I mean I was doing everything
that I watched the guys before me do. And so nowadays,
I mean, like, if you think about it, if you
see a hard hit in the league, now, the first
(06:18):
thing a defender does he looks up and he looks
to the side, either to the left or right, wherever
he's at, or where the reference at to see. If
you got a fifteen year plenty, that's not football. Yeah,
so that's not football. I want I say the same thing,
and people don't understand that the you gotta a split second, right,
so you've seen a guy there, You see nobody catch
the ball or run or whatever it is, and you
(06:40):
gotta split second to make a decision. And and what's
going on in my head is I want this guy
on the ground by any meaning necessary. If I got
to run through you, if I you know, gott to
hit you with certain parts of my head, whatever it is,
I want this guy, and you want to punish him.
And and I want to make the the distinction between
trying to hurt some body and then letting them know
(07:01):
that you're there. You're not trying to go out and intentionally,
you know, hurt anybody because they got families and they
got a career. But if it's fair game, man, I'm
ship I'm getting you on the ground by any means necessary, period,
exactly exactly. That's the way. That's the way I played
the game. It's by by any means necessary. I mean
(07:22):
I let my teammates SNeW you can't even get it.
I'm sorry, Like I mean, I had friendly fire a
ton of times. It wasn't intentionally, but I mean I
hit Darren was and I had Terence Snow when I
had Keith Davis, Anthony Henry, Aaron Glenn I mean, I
had a whole bunch of guys on accident, but they
were they were close. I got the other guy too,
(07:43):
but you were just hey, you hit by some friendly fire.
That was just I was just friendly fire. Yeah yeah.
But when you crossed, when you go in between those
white lines, it is on. There ain't no I mean,
there's no prisoners. I mean you're out for I was.
I was out. I come to speak for myself. I
was out from right. No. So I came in, I
(08:03):
was drafted and oh five, and see, I don't know
if you knew this or not, but you know I
was supposed to be drafted by you guys when you
were when you're playing. So yeah, so what happened was
right before the draft, and you guys got that. You
didn't make a wrong pick. You got de Marcus Ware.
I mean, don't get it. I mean it wasn't like
they made a mistake. But so when I came there
doing the draft. Before the draft, they brought in like
their top ten of fifteen guys that they were looking
(08:24):
at in the first round. So they flew us all
out to Dallas, and I was there on my visit
and we're all in the locker room. You got all
the guys, you end up going somewhere in the top fifteen.
So I'm down there just everybody else. But they're showing
us the locker room, showing us the facility. And one
of the things I saw on there, I saw who
was he? Larry Island. So we came in and you
(08:45):
guys are working out one day and then we was
in the gym. I lotched you not I saw Larry
to throw four plates and they I didn't see him
warm up, and he cranked that thing out for like
four or five and like at least ten or fifteen times,
and I couldn't I couldn't believe my eyes. I said,
Holy ship is this is this is what I have
to face when I get up here. This is wild.
I didn't know how strong he was. So we go
(09:06):
through the gym and while watching all the guy's workout,
I'm seeing everybody up close for the first time. So
we walked through the locker room and next thing I know,
somebody came and grabbed me from downstairs and they said, hey,
um Parcels and Jerry Jones, they want to see you upstairs.
So first thing, you know, you think that when something happens.
I said, okay, what did I do wrong? Right? The
(09:28):
first thing to go through my head, Okay, what did
I do wrong? Because everybody else downstairs they said they
want to see you up in the office. So I said, okay, cool.
He walked me upstairs and Jerry Jones and Bill Parcels
and sitting there in the office and we get to
talk and they said, look, we got the leventh pick
of the draft. Now we don't think you're gonna be
there at the level we think he would be somewhere
in the top five, top eight. And I said, okay, cool.
(09:49):
Would they say, if if you're there by the eleventh pick,
we're gonna draft you. And I was sitting there like, oh,
you know, I didn't think that they were gonna tell
me the way they did. They said, no, no no, if
you're there by leven pick, we're gonna draft you. I'll
never forget Bill Parcels. The first thing he said to me,
he said, Sean, when you get here, I'm gonna work
the hell out of your ass. And so I'm thinking
in my head, I'm twenty years old. Man. I'm like, man,
(10:12):
I'm not trying to come here and play Dad Bill
parselves because you know I heard you know, you heard
about him how he was, and everybody else back in
the day, and your coach Lawrence Tailling and something, a
lot of great players, and you would just hear how
he went at everybody. And I got my first dost
of Bill Parcels in that office. He said, yeah, when
(10:35):
we drafted you, as soon as you get here, we're
gonna work the dog pits out of you. And I
was like, oh my god. I was like, oh my,
so you played, I mean you played for how was
he man like? It was? I love Coach Parcels. Man Um.
I didn't like the fact of when he came in
he literally just came to him as like, you're not
gonna be a one dimensional of safety. You're gonna have
(10:56):
to play cover two, which I can do that. I
didn't like to do that because I like to pop
my paths. I like to get in there and get
messy with the big guys. Um. But I I mean
I did that, and I mean I was one of
I would say I was one of his guys. I
truly was. I was his style of play guy that
he liked. Hard nosed um brought the wood you know,
(11:18):
didn't have any quit any of that. I was his guy.
I was one of his guys. Um. And he used
to always have these little sayings like one he would
say he would say to Tony Romo, so he would say,
you're like a football and high weeds. You're lost art
Thieve would have. He would have all these little sayings, man.
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And he used to always tell me it was me
only a few people, me, Larry Allen and like Darren Woodson.
And he's always come up to ards and just whisper.
I got one good fight left in me. Don't make
me use it on you. So I mean, but that
was coaching back to Larry Allen. That was Larry's him
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up without it out. I experienced the same thing that
you experience. He'll throw three or four plates on there.
Bump bump, bump, bump bump. Done. You know what I mean?
And Um, but that was just Larry. Larry was. He
was a different animal. And I'm it was one time
we were practiced. I was blitzing from Larry's left. I
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was coming from the right, he was. I was coming
on his left. He literally, shoot you not. He All
he did was he was back in the stance and
how they did it was like this, and I swear
to god, I flew apy five yards sideways in the air.
And now like Larry was so so damn strong that
it's crazy. It was. It was next level and that
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so I think it was it was either two thousand
five or two having six or two thousand and seven.
I believe you guys had at least five or six
plus Pro bowlers on that on that team was one
of one of the years. And I'm kind of saying,
what's what's going on there out? And I understand it
the way it looks to me? What what what the
Cowboys is that they're not playing for the coach like
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or the coaching staff or whatever that is. But you know,
I've been on teams where you know, he got lorenz
O'Neil Ladany and Thomas and Philip rivers Um, Nick Harword,
Chris delt me, all these guys that Jamal Williams like,
if you wasn't doing what you're supposed to do, the
players kind of control the locker room. So how how
was it when you guys were playing if something was
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going on right now with the team, Because that that
didn't happen when you were there. If something like that's
going on right now, what would that locker room be
like the locker room? I mean, you you don't let
family business outside the locker room. That's football, one on one,
that's code, you know what I mean. You just don't.
You don't air out family business regardless of what the
situation is. That's just the way I was brought up.
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Today's age, and what's going on now with the Cowboys
is I mean, there is I think the has lost
the locker room and they're I mean, they're at a disarray.
It's like, nope, it's basically players versus coaches the way
I'm feeling, you know what I mean, And there their
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player is rebelling regardless of the outcome of the games
and how they how they're looking. I'm sorry, I couldn't
step on the field and look like that. I'm even
if we're getting beat, I'm gonna be rough housing all
the way to those double zeros in the fourth quarter.
I don't care what it is, but what they're doing
right now in the football field is I mean, it's
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a disgrace to them. It's a disgrace to the organization
and it's a disgrace to um, to the coaching staff.
I don't know what needs to happen. I don't know
if the coaches need to be relieved or some of
the players need to relieve, but somebody needs to drop
that hammer and let it be know like this is unacceptable.
I mean every NFL team in any given Sunday, like
(14:56):
we all know, can it can win. But they can't
win the way the Cowboys haven't losing like I mean,
it's it's very sad to watch them no effort, Like
how do you how do you suit up on the
NFL team and not have zero effort? You know what
I mean? Like, at what point somebody just get a
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and I and I said the same thing. And I'll remember.
I remember that when we started off one and three
and o uh in the two thousand I believe it
with two thousand and seven one just one and three,
I mean, Philip Rivers. We we kicked all the coaches
out the meeting room and we got after it. I mean,
you've got guys, mother f and each other point, you know,
we got after each other and not to meet all
the great teams. And we finished up thirteen I believe
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thirteen and three that year. But to me, that's what
the great teams do, Like the players always ran the
locker room. Like we had coaches that everybody didn't agree
with didn't like it as much or whatever, But as
you said, like that film is still on. So whatever
you put on film, whether you're gonna be playing for
the team or not, like that next team looking at
you dogging it on the play, not running the sideline
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the sidline or quitting or getting blocked and being okay
with it, and would piss me off the most is
when Andy Dalton got hit, right when that laid hit.
For me, if somebody was to hit Philip Rivers, then
it would have been a fight. I would have got
I would got a fight. I would have got ejected.
Something's gonna happen or that very next play. If he
wasn't ejected, we were coming after period because we wouldn't.
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We wasn't gonna let that slide exactly without a doubt.
I mean, I'm surprised the office alignement and run over
there and jump on top of the like I mean,
I mean, if that sorry doc is out, you know
what I mean? Now he quarterback one, you have to
do everything to protect him, you know, regardless of how
this season is going, how the game is going. That
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forget quarterback one. That's your brother, you know what I mean,
that's family I don't. I don't care if I didn't
get along with somebody, But that's my guy, you know
what I mean, And ain't anchor. I mean just because
I pick on him, I don't like them, that doesn't
mean you can mess with him like and that's not there.
Like the the togetherness, the familiness, the brotherhood. I mean
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that to me, it's out the window, like I mean,
nobody got I mean, we're fighting. It's like those fighting words,
like we fight even lights out, let's go the thing
that let's go, it was on it was on it.
But that that to me, that told me a lot
on what the team was and how they felt about
each other. Because either we get not as kicked out there,
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you hit the quarterback late and you that kind of
hit man where you can change somebody's career type of
type of deal. That game is not going to be
at the zoom like we It's gonna people get injected,
people getting fined, and we're all gonna be happy about it.
To let it be known. It's not going down like this.
But when you when guys out there and you're okay,
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Like I look at the sidelines out there and I
see nobody yelling at each other. I see nobody getting
at each other's faces like nothing. And on top of that,
as you said before you got you got guys that
are airing out, um you know, family business, locker room business.
To reporters that we all know. That's no, no, and
one thing. I always try to tell players that if
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you're talking to reporter or somebody on the side, you
gotta understand they have more of allegiance with the ownership
and the front office. So you think that that's gonna
be a one on one conversation, They're gonna go back
up and tell who it is, even when they tell
even when they tell you, they're not, even when they
tell you that they're not going to go up and
the way, oh it's between us, it's never between us.
They got that allegiance to that general manager, to that owner,
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and they will literally do everything they can to find
out which player it was. Then the leak in leak
in the business. Yeah, and they should be gone. Mean
that's just how I feel. I mean, it's just writers
writers right and wrong is wrong, and that that they
were all way in and wrong. I don't care what happens.
I don't care if you get cut. You know what
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I'm saying, You still don't talk about things that you have.
I mean, there should be some type of confidentiality within
your brotherhood, you know what I mean. Like for instance,
there was a play like an oh seven are six
or seven? Thing? Was O seven? That I get blamed
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for and I take the blame and I would never
mention the guy's name whose fault it really was, Like,
I mean, I took all the blame. Like I mean,
from that day on, I was deemed a person that
couldn't cover. I couldn't do this and it wasn't even wrong. Man.
I was in switch coverage and I had to tight
end over ten yards and they which the team did.
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I mean they literally ran the tight end twelve yard
right and right by me, and so I had to
take them, you know what I mean? And so I
got blamed for um the deep ball. I mean, they
came back and was Washington resident As they came back
and beat the Santana Moss went over the tip and
I had Chris Cooley and I get blamed for it.
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And I don't even I don't even mention my teammate's
name that that had him, you know what I mean
it's like, now I take it, I eat it. I
mean whatever, as long as you guys know that that
wasn't my responsibility. But I'll take it. And I still
don't even talk about my teammate that whose man it
really was. I don't even say his name. It's I mean,
that's just cold, you know what I mean. But that's
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what But that's what not only good teammates do, but
good teams do you know what I'm saying, Like nobody,
nobody is gonna come out the first thing if we
we lose something like that, the first thing I would
come out and say, look, I need to get to
the quarterback. You know, the quarterback had too much time.
It's not that all the blitcher was this. And you know,
I've seen a couple of guys came out of the
locker room on the defense side of the ball for
the Cowboys and they basically said the h that the
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defense too complex, right, that they need to like dumb
down the defense, which he probably what he probably was right.
I mean, he probably was writing what he said that
they need to let guys go out and play football.
And I had um, I had Wayne phillips On just
a few weeks ago, and wait, you know, ways, my guy, man,
I love way before. I still say, look, way put
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me in so many great positions to go out and
make plays. But I knew the first time that the
quarterback had too much time or somebody had too many
passing yards on us. I was like, look, man, we
we gotta get to the We gotta get to the
quarterback or I gotta get to the quarterback. And that's
what good teams do, not throwing guys under the bus. Man.
This is I don't think I've ever seen, especially from
from the Cowboys, man, and just the defenses you guys had,
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and I still talked to the markets we're here and
there too. And the type of teams you guys had
from like oh two onto I think it was like
two thousand eight or nine or something like that, where
you got just stacked, had a touch, had a ton
of talent. And I never seen anybody on that on
that team that you guys had put what's being is
being put on film right now, what's going on right
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now is just atrocious. It is. I mean, it's it's
difficult to watch. I mean it's at the end of
the day, even if the defense is complex. At the
end of the day, the rules of the defense is
tackled the ball carrier and there is no excuse for
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effort when it comes to being a complex defense or not.
How you gotta do, you know what, go to the
ball to tackle the ball carrier, regardless of the yardists
that they get are a negative play that you you make.
It doesn't even matter. At the end of the day.
It's excess and those tap of the ball herring instead
of you know what I'm saying that it's coaching making
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a too complex. How about you reaching between your legs
see if you feel anything, and if you do, you
need to man up. I mean, that's just the way.
That's just the way I was brought up. I had,
Mike Zimmer, you know what I mean? I had, I had,
I had um. I had broken pieces of a nose
from a punter's nose in my knee and it was
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hurting like crazy. And you know what Mike Zimmer said,
He said, you're all right. He's like, you fucking right,
you all right, get your ass back in the game.
Broken knee brad, broken pieces of cartilage from a front's
knee in my knee, and even still put me back
out on the field. I mean, that's just where it was.
I mean I did. I mean to my coach, no, shoot,
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man up, let's go. You got to but busy, that's why.
And that's the way I know about it. You put
fingers back in place, you dislocate your shoulder, you go
on the syline by the towel, put that thing back
in place, you run back on the field. You know,
that's the mentality we had. And I'm trying to stay
away from being the old guy now. Like you guys
just off you that you don't want to do that.
But it's like, man, you got these guys with big contracts,
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you know, and I love to see guys get paid
with the Marcus Lawans got that contract, yea, I was,
I was. I don't even know him that well or whatever.
Being a former defensive player. You see somebody scored that big,
You're like, y'all, that's that's that's outstanding. You love to
you guys get paid. But then you see I'm going
out there and and go several weeks without getting sacked.
You're like, yo, listen, you met go on that money dog,
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you know, because you you know you're message enough for
other people. You know, they're gonna stop paying guys if
you disappear. Yeah, they're gonna call that back if you don't,
if you don't produce. I mean, I'm all four guys
getting paid. I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing. Um,
it's a long time coming. Um. But your play, honestly,
your play has your play has to back it up,
you know what I mean. And your effort has to
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back it up. And your leadership has to back it up.
And those three things have not been displayed through the
organization thus far every game out they played. I mean
that hasn't. They have no leadership, They have no heart,
they have no desire, they have they have nothing right now,
they're just guys out there on the football field running
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around with their heads carf. That's just how do they
fix up? Though? And you're like what they you get
rid of coaches at that point you start getting rid
of guys, like what would need to happen? I honestly
don't know how you fix the number one problem starting
off with and that's hard. How do you how do
you fix how do you fix hard? How do you
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fix effort? Like? I mean, that's why I said the code.
It's way past the coaches. I mean, it's the locker
room was lost because at the end of the day,
I don't know why, and they may have these conversations,
but even if they have these conversations, their play in
the film that they um they leave for the next opponent.
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They see no effort, they see no heart there. I
mean it's like, you know when you see an offensive
linement that gives you some tips that you know you
can you know, um take advantage of you looking at
your chops. Every team right now offense are licking their
chops to play the Cowboys because they know that's an
easy buck fifty Russian, that's a that's that's three bills passing,
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you know what I mean. They are looking their chops.
It's like, at the end of the day, you have
to man up and play. I'm not I'm not being
old school or anything. It's it's about pride at the
end of the day. It's like the star that's on
the side of your helmet, whatever team it is, are,
the name played on the back of your on your jersey,
that should mean something like my when I played, my
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biggest thing was do not get embarrassed in the national
televised TV because I know my boy's gonna climb me
and I do not want to let my family down.
That was it, and I wanted to knock somebody out
and laugh with Darren Woodson about it. That was my
rules myself was simple. It was so simple, and they don't.
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They don't have that fire like I don't understand why
they don't have that fire, Like, dude, I played nine years.
That nine years went by so fast, Like, do not
take these years for granted, because you're not gonna be
able to give them back. So you have to make
the most of every opportunity, and every with every game
that they play, they're letting opportunities slip away. It is
(29:06):
hard to get to the playoffs. It is not an
easy thing. And their play, I mean, it's just like
they do not care. I don't know how you fix that.
I truly don't. And the it's not going to help
from a coach's perspective because the coaches haven't done anything
um thus far. That proves to me that they're even uh,
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it is crazy. So what else you got going on? Man?
Because I know you got to you got the security company, right, Um,
(32:09):
so you tell tell me a little bit about it.
So um back, so everyone. So when I was playing
in Dallas, I always wonder why guys moved back to
their college towns. And there was an opportunity for me
to go to Columbus, Ohio. And I've seen Eddie George
at restaurants, he at real estate, and I was like,
(32:30):
you know what, when I'm done playing, I'm gonna move
back to Oklahoma. I don't know what's gonna happen, but
something's gonna happen, you know. And so after I played
My Tears in Cincinnati, I moved back to Dallas, and
I just I just felt like it was a dark
cloud over Dallas, just the way how that whole thing ended.
I was like, I gotta go. So I left, packed
my staff, moved down to Oklahoma, and um, I was
(32:52):
doing some silar reporting at LU wasn't really for me
because I didn't want to have to go back or
from study learned people's names, and I just didn't want
to do it. Just couldn't do it. Um and then
um um. I was talking to my cousin one day
and I told him, but I think I want to
get some investment properties. And I was like, well, he
needs to me one of my clients. And so I
(33:13):
met Bill at one of his properties and we were talking,
and um, one thing led to another. He asked me
what I wanted to do, and I was like, I
think I want to get some investment properties. Are I
want to be in business. I want to be my
own boss, and asking what you know he was doing
and he was like, well, I own a security company before.
I'm thinking about getting back into the security business. And
literally God put it in my heart to say to speak,
(33:35):
and I spoke and I said, um, what do you
want another partner? And he was telling me about, you know,
his following out with his partner, and I told him
a little bit about my back story as far as
having some fallouts with some dudes back in Dallas. We
met about six or seven different times and we started
our company. And we founded our company two thousand and twelve.
(33:56):
Around that time, we probably had about twenty employe ways.
We were operating about three states, and now today we're
in twenty five states and have over two thousand employees.
Yeah that's big man. So so how can people look
it up or how do you guys getting you know,
the bulky of business like referrals or what's what's going on.
(34:19):
It's it's pretty much word of mouth because it's actual
physical guards. Like so at a office building, are the stadium,
are anywhere you see security guards. UM, that's pretty much
therein area. And we don't. We stay away from like
seven elevens and high risk areas where liabilities high. So
(34:40):
like nightclubs, seven elevens, just liquor stores, anything that UM
has high risk and liability, we try to stay away
from that. So UM we we do a lot UM
across the different states, and we're we actually have government
contracts as out UM, so we worked for the government.
(35:02):
UM also UM. But UM Global Security Corporation dot com
is the website. UM so, I mean that's how you
can easily end I'm on LinkedIn and all the other
social media stuff, so UM, I'm easily accessible for sure.
That's dope. Man. I always try to tell guys UM
because it's not easy. I don't know if you had it,
(35:24):
but my first two years even I went straight into
the broadcasting thing, I was still sitting back like it
didn't feel right, you know what I like. I don't
know whether like mentally I couldn't move past the game
right away, or like I didn't know what it was.
Maybe I felt like you see guys out there, you're
sitting on the couch, like, yeah, I can go do
that right now, you know, maybe you're watching guys, you
know you can still play. But I wasn't really comfortable, man,
(35:45):
until about two years of being done. You know, even
when I was behind the booth and some days I
didn't want to watch football, like I didn't want to
turn the TV on, I still had to talk about it.
So I watched just enough and new as you said before,
the guy's name, so you know, so got me to play.
I can go and talk about it the next day.
But I just didn't feel comfortable because those first two years,
(36:06):
that transition. I don't know what it was for you, man,
but for me it was it was a little bit difficult. Yeah,
well for me it was honestly. The way I played
was I mean, I really didn't watch much football because
I just love to play the game, and I didn't
really watch much film. I mean, not film, but like
(36:29):
actual games. I'm studying my film, but as far as
watching games, I just that wasn't me. I just wanted
to play football and that fun. That was literally it.
And round of six or seven when they implemented the
horse collar tackle, I mean that honestly sucked the life
out of me for football. Um. I felt that, um,
they were literally targeting me, and I just felt I
(36:51):
just didn't it wasn't fun for me anymore. It's like
it's like having a pit bull and you have that
be word dog sign on the door, and and a
burglar tries to come in and the dog attacks him,
doesn't doing his job, and then you recommend the dog.
I mean that's how I felt. It's like, dude, I
came into this league. I was here to knock people out,
(37:13):
and then all of a sudden, now you guys want
to penalize me for what you guys brought me here
to do. Like I mean, it just it just wasn't
fun anymore. So. You know, my my last two years
in Cincinnati, I mean it was it was blessed to
get two more years, but just wasn't fun for me anymore. So,
when I retired, I was done, Like I was done done.
I didn't watch. I mean I literally probably last year
(37:33):
was the first year I really started just watching and
just seeing schemes and see how they're you know, attacking people.
But um, but no, I was done, like I was
so done. I mean it's football is And this honestly,
to this day, football is really not even enjoyable to
me to watch because it's not my solid football. I
mean it's it's it's more of a fluff fluff NFL
(37:55):
than what I was brought up on. What do I
tell you, man? The game, the game miss guys like
you and me coming up and being drafted No. Five. Um,
and I think you came into oh one, oh two,
right one or two year? Oh too? Yeah, and uh,
just seeing you and just one of the guys I
enjoyed watching, man, So I appreciate you for coming on.
And I gotta get out there, man, one of these days.
(38:17):
I've been out there a couple of days, and a
couple of friends of mine have there in the casino business.
They got that big casino out there, So I gotta
I gotta make my way out there sometime soon. Come on,
most definitely. I appreciate the love and respect my brother,
mutual respect for you as well. I mean, I M
(38:38):
but you are, dude, you are more than welcome to
come out here to Oklahoma. Um. I got a lot
of land out this way, and I mean we will
do a lot of honey. Okay, let's do it. I'm in.
We'll go. We'll go hard hunting with the dogs and
nothing but nis, no guns. I'm with it. I'm with it.
I'm with it, all right, my man. I appreciate you
get dude, Thank you, fami. Okay, you got it. Thanks
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guys for listening. Then another podcast on the Lights Out
Podcast with me Seawan Merriman uh and that was great
man to have Roy Williams on. He literally was one
of the last of the dying breed of guys who
came in before they started to implement a lot of
the new rules in the NFL. As I always say,
I don't want to be one of the old guys
and say, oh, you know, the game is soft now
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the game is different. I wouldn't necessarily call it soft,
for the game is different. Guys like him, Guys like me,
could not play in today's game. I can tell you
that much. He has a ton of great stuff going on,
has his security company in Oklahoma. He's also offered me
to come out there. I've never been hunting before, so
maybe my first hunting trip will be with Roy Williams,
one of my favorite players to watch. Again. Thank you
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guys for listening. I appreciate all the reviews. Keep checking
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we're getting some great feedback in. We're gonna turn this
thing up again next week. Thanks again. Yeah, you're coming
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