February 27, 2021 • 46 mins
LaVar Arrington, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Plaxico Burress weigh in on Brandon Ingram’s subtle criticism of LeBron James and share personal stories of disrespect throughout their careers. They speak with FS1 NFL analyst Greg Jennings about the best possible landing spot for disgruntled Seahawks QB, Russell Wilson.
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I I know we got russ as as our opening topic.
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But I was sitting and I was thinking about the
shade that took place this this week with uh, who
who's the Who's the player? I'm I'm losing? Isn't he
played for the Lakers. He went to the Pelicans. He
plays with brandon Ingram. Now, brandon Ingram said, well, let's
(05:12):
hear what he said. I've never played with the players
talented as me. Um, he's a generational talent where you
don't know what you're gonna get from him every single night,
because this is gonna be something different. It's gonna be
something inside him, and I like to feed off that,
or I like to come into the game and be
ready because I know he's gonna be ready. So it's
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good to have another All Star warside me and having
the same mindsets me going into games. That's gonna just
try to be the best player that he can be. Now,
let me set the stage on this because I want,
I want. This is interesting because I I I have
no idea where you guys are gonna go with this,
but I'm so excited to have this conversation. So he
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says that that Zion is the most talented dude that
that he's seen like him right period since playing He
played with Lebron James and in Los Angeles, and we
all know the trade took place him, Alonzo Ball, a
couple other guys. They go and they bring in a
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d They're gonna win a Championship. But now Brandon is
an All Star, so he A lot of people felt
like that was shade being thrown out. I made the
argument point during the course of a show on on
Undisputed that for people to sit there and look crazy
at Brandon Ingram for saying that because he played with
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Lebron James was it was as as forementioned, uh an
assinine comment to make. I made the argument point, and
I'm just interested because I know for certain that there
is a there is a receiver that is going into
the Hall of Fame. There is a receiver that's probably
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already in the Hall of Fame. There is a receiver
that would be considered to have had a better career
than one of you guys by by all pro bits,
by by pro bowl bits, whatever it may be, and
they've been considered to be a better player than you.
I made the argument that there's somebody that's sitting somewhere
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having a discussion point that Brandon Ingram is is super
talented and and one of the most talented, maybe even
more talented than than Lebron James. Now it might sound
crazy because of all of the conversation that surrounds Lebron
James and his greatness, and he's being compared to Michael
Jordan's Is he better than Jordan? He's better than is
(07:48):
he com better than Kobe? All of those comparisons, And
I get it, and all of the accolades and all
of the accomplishments. I get that. But is it Is
it a foregone conclusion to say that there isn't someone
not sitting there having the argument. If Brandon Ingram had
the same type of support, if brandon Ingram had the
same hype machine behind him, the backing, the finances, dotta
(08:08):
di dotta dia at bare minimum, there might be some
merit to somebody saying I have more ability, I had
more talent than a person that was perceived to be
the greatest to ever do it. I start thinking about it,
and I'm I'm gonna let I'm gonna let yall touch
on it. I'm gonna give you all a great example
(08:29):
of what what I'm talking about when it comes to
my my time to talk. But t J start us off?
What like what what what would be your opinion? Because
I know there's a receiver that people say, oh, that's
the greatest receiver all time. He's the dopest dude all time.
And I know you don't think he had the ability
that you had. I know you don't think that he
was better than you. Plex can attested this. There's a
(08:50):
lot of guys that people think are good, but they're
really not. They just get the opportunity um each and
every game. Huh, when I ran right, it wasn't. It
wasn't a handful of guy that could separate and create
separation like I could when I was playing. And that's
a fact. But onto the brandon Ingram Lebron topic. For me,
(09:12):
he probably he probably didn't feel as if he played
with Lebron because he didn't really want me there. He
wanted to get rid of me. So he didn't look
at Lebron as a teammate because there's no way now
you you can look at Zion and say, man, he's talented.
But Lebron came in with so much hype. But not
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only did he come in with hype, he lived up
to it and surpassed it. Like he came into the
league when he had to play against the Boston Celtics
and they had Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Like
that's what he came into and he lived up to that.
So for him to say that he doesn't like Lebron personally,
(09:56):
HiT's something. It's personal more than it is reality. Because
Zion can be a fantastic player, but nobody will say
that Zion is as good as Lebron or has the
potential to be as good as Lebron because he has
any he hasn't shown he's not. He hasn't shown that,
so for he's not but brandon Ingram he should believe
(10:19):
in himself that he should believe that because I'll be honest,
I didn't think people were better than me, and people
on outside might be like, what are you talking about,
But that's just my belief in myself, And so brandon
Ingram there, to me, it's more personal than it is
(10:40):
reality when he made that statement. But I don't mind
any player that has that type of self belief in
themselves and saying, oh, he just he's not as talented
as me. Whether it's sure or not. If you believe it,
that's why you're in the position that you're in because
of that self belief in you when others said, now
you can't do it. I don't know what you're talking
matters is what you feel about yourself goes a long way.
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I believe that Brandon Ingram spoke out of context. I
don't think. I don't think he really thought about you know,
what he was saying, and if he was thinking when
he said it is personal and there's a lot of
salt in that comment. And you know, he wasn't really
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in Los Angeles long enough to believe that he you know,
Lebron was a teammate of his. I really believe that.
But if you look at you know, all these five
star athletes coming out of high school. He went to
Duke and clearly, I don't know what he was rint
coming out of high school, but clearly on that Duke
basketball team, he was the best player on that team.
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And you know, he plays one year and then he
goes to the NBA as a high draft pick and
all his life he can honestly say that that that
that that that there's been nobody better than him all
his life. So I believe when he made that statement, uh,
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he spoke out, he spoke spoke out of context. But
why is it guy? Out of context? Let me ask
you this, because I get where you're coming from, plex
But let's be real here. How many how many receivers
went to the Pro Bowl? Y'all were both in the
a f C at the same time. How many Pro
Bowls you want to t J how many you went to? Plex? Zero? Okay?
How long were y'all's careers? How many years did you
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spend in the a f C? Uh? Eleven in the FC?
How many for you? Plex? Uh? Seven? Total? Seven totals?
So you're telling me, bet when you're eleven and your seven,
the dudes that was going to the Pro Bowls ahead
of y'all, we're better than they had more ability to
Pro Bowl In my situation, I don't know what was
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going on, but it was. Do you know what's crazy? Plex,
I didn't even realize you never made it to a
Pro Bowl right now, to you, I'm the only wide
receiver in NFL, actually in NFL with a thousand y'all
season level, Hunter y'all season twelve hunter y'all season guaranteed.
I never knew that to right and to and to
never get a nod. It's a man. I was the
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first alternate three times. Chad was the first alternate. The
year I got voted in and Chad made it and
and and it's the Pro Bowl. We we both know
you're sitting the meetings. Who you want to vote for?
I don't like. I don't like plex PLEXI point, we
ain't voting for plexes. That's how they do it. But
you are still judged off of how your view by
your peers and by the media. So the point that
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I'm making is y'all making my point. How many of
them dudes was better than y'all going to the Pro Bowl?
How many are I didn't think any of them in
my opinion, plex How many they could play? You give
them their credit? How many of them matched? You know? Uh,
I don't you know. I don't know how many guys
mask me. All I can do is look look at
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I appreciate being politically right. I appreciate you being humble, Plex,
But but but you're you're retired, you've been retired. Drop
your hand, im I know I've d and tequila with
you and hurt these conversations. Don't don't don't not do
it now. I'm not being humble. Hey, when I was
in the NFC and a plan for the Giants, I
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think through oh five to oh wait, I was the
best way I received in the world. It was there
was nothing that you could justify to tell me that
we weren't, you know, the stats due me and Eli
and the running game and that whole thing. When when
I went over to New York, we were basically unstoppable.
There was nobody that could really, you know, play with us. Okay,
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So now so now, so listening to what you're saying, right,
So now let me apply it to myself, right, because
when I say when when I listened to what Branding said,
he sang his ability and his talent, and he's talking
overall like he's when you say something like that, that's overall.
So you could be talking about your your talking about
your entire life, your entire life. So if he's been,
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like you said, plex, if he's been his entire life,
been the best player, he's had the most ability all
throughout going to college and going into the pros, why
am I gonna stop thinking or start thinking now that
all these other people have more ability than me. They
that if if if somebody hasn't proven to me that
they have more ability to me, And then look at
(15:31):
it this way, right, and this is this is a
very very critical piece of the puzzle here. Lebron's old.
Lebron's old. So if I'm looking at Lebron right now
and I'm saying I've never had a teammate that matched
my ability level, is it is? It? Is it beyond
the realm of belief or or understanding to say that
where I was at in my career when I played
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with Lebron, James that that maybe it might be true
that Zion's ability right now it's higher than what Lebron's
was when he was playing with I can't agree with
Lebron hasn't slowed down. I could see if Lebron was
averaging fifteen, Lebron was averaging over. We're talking, we're talking,
(16:15):
we're talking abilities, but we're not just talking. We're not
just talking reputation, but we're talking about no, no, no,
reputation in stats, especially in the NBA. That didn't work
for a bomb. Isn't putting up twenty five points to
night a bomb, isn't breaking a thousand MS receiving No, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is Lebron was older. But he's older,
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but he was still playing at a high level. It
wasn't his reputation. I played with Bruce Smith at the
end of his career. If I played with another defense
I played with and in New York and I would
have said, dang, this is the first time I played
with a defensive end with this type of talent level.
Michael Strahan was on the other side, and Michael Strahan,
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how many sacks did Bruce Smith get when you played
with him? Is that last year? How many sacks? Well? No, no, no,
what's a few? Three? No? No, he was getting How
many players were better than you when you was growing
up and when you alright? None? So so the competitive
and there's something of the nature of all of us
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is to be the best that you should think, but
it's not. It's not. We gotta take a break because
we ran long. Because this is one of them conversations
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We gotta get on the sideline, take a break. We're
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this break, and we're gonna continue this conversation because I
feel like this is one of them joins that you know,
it's gonna take four guys that played in the league
to be able to broach this conversation the right way
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drink that you're gonna introduce the line that's that's coming
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and j. Uh. Here's a here's a here's a sound
bite from from Brandon Ingram talking about uh, well, I'm
gonna let you hear it, and I know you've already
heard it, but we have applied this conversation to ourselves
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and I want to get your opinion on is it
egregious for Brandon Brandon to be saying this and what's
your take on it? And then here here's a sound
bite right here. I've never played with a player as
talented as me. Um, He's a generational talent where you
don't know what you're gonna get from him every single night,
because this is gonna be something different. It's gonna be
(22:57):
something inside him. And uh, I like to feed off that,
or I like to come into the game and be
ready because I know he's gonna be ready. So it's
good to have another All Star warside me and having
the same mindset as me going into games. It's gonna
just try to be the best player that he can
be now on surface surface level, as talented as him.
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We all know that's incorrect. Like, let's be clear, we
all know I'm making the argument in the discussion, but
we all know that it's not true, all right, we don't.
We know that lebron Is is the dude, and it's
probably the most talented dude that he's probably played with.
But I made the point, g isn't there a player?
Aren't you? Aren't you a guy? I looked at guys
(23:39):
that were considered perceived to be better. Uh, got accolades
as if they were better, got awards, got Pro bowls,
got all pro bits, and you knew they weren't as
talented as you, and you knew they weren't better than you.
And he said what he was feeling. Is he wrong
for what he said? Is he agrees as for what
he said? And how does that apply to you? How?
How do you look at things like that? If have
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you been in that situation before? Well, I can't sit
here and say that he's wrong for expressing what he feels. However,
from now aside, looking in, we know overall, yes he
sounds crazy. He sound you playing with arguably the greatest
of all time. Outside it's it's it's in the it's
(24:22):
Jordan's or Lebron and you playing with Lebron, and you've
had an experience to play with this man, and you
you dismissing like that, You you basically disrespect what you
had the opportunity to play alongside of as a young
talent in this in this league. So that's number one.
Number two, This is why I say he's not because
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it's his feelings. Players are very prideful, and so how
you treat players how you established relationships with individuals, it carries,
and so he may not have had the greatest relationship
with Lebron obviously his experiences. Man, he tried to get
rid of me. He didn't think I was worth keeping.
So so that I'm you have that pride in you
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and you a little bitter. So I'm not gonna get
Robron Lebron that type of respect. I know what kind
of dude he is, but it's not coming out of
my mouth. The only thing that I can compare to
was when I left Green Bay, like I felt some
type of way we've all been in this situation where
we get into our feelings a little bit, and I
started talking. It wasn't that it wasn't true the things
(25:29):
that I was saying about airing and um how I
pretty much attacked leadership style and whatever it was because
I didn't feel like in the moment where I needed
him to support me, he chose not to. And so
that's where I feel like a guy like Brandon Ingram
is coming from Lebron that he wasn't looking out for me,
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he was looking out for him. So I'm not gonna
I'm not You're not gonna get me coming out of
my mouth saying, oh, he was the best player I
ever played with. Man, he dismissed me, he threw me away,
he tried to get rid of me. He didn't think
I was worth keeping. So that's where he's coming from,
and all honestly, being in that situation, he's wrong. But
(26:09):
but but you can't tell him he's wrong because he
sees Lebron different than what we're seeing. And also Zion
Zion is his teammate now, and so I mean it
kind of makes sense. Let's transition in the football. Gee,
Russell Wilson, Oh, I don't want to be traded, but
I'm open to a trade. So that means I want out,
(26:29):
and I want out immediately. His agent comes out and says, Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, Bears,
those are the teams that we would accept and be
welcoming of a trade too. What do you believe is
the best fit And do you believe Russell Wilson will
no longer be a Seattle Seahawk. Um, I'm I don't
(26:51):
know if he will be a Seahawk Because anytime a
player like Russell Wilson, um, yes, he's doing it. The
politically correct way if you will. Like the Sean is like,
I want out, get me out of here by any
means necessary. I'm saying it. I don't need nobody to
say it. For Russell Wilson, however, is using his people
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to say, these are the teams that we would be
willing to be traded to. I'm not saying that I
want to be traded. However, I'm gonna give you all
some options. So he's gonna allow the teams to apply
the pressure and make kind of the decisions for or
have the Seahawks be forc into making a decision that
will help benefit not only them but also Russell Wilson.
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So we know, with just that being fed, he wants out.
But Russell Wilson, the type of individual he is, he's
trying to say face with not only the organization, his teammates,
but the fan base in Seattle as well as far
as the best fit for me personally, it's Chicago. It's
the Bears. I like the situation, and now it's with
(27:57):
a couple of contingencies there. If you you gotta get
find a way to bring back Allen Robinson and maybe
another piece. But they actually the young rookie last year
played very well. Miller played decent, he was a little injured.
Their offensive line. People think that the Bears offensive line
is very poor. It is not. They were a revolving door.
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They were altered, like circulating in out of position all
season long. They actually have a really decent offensive line.
I'm not saying it is perfect, but they will be
able to protect Russe and Wilson if they are healthy upfront.
Um So I like the Bears. I like their situation,
and then defensively, we know what they are the reason
(28:41):
why the Bears work for me is because when you
look at Ryan Pace and general manager and uh Naggy
the head coach, they're not gonna tie their hits to
Mr Traviski or Nick Foles. So they're looking for and
and and the Bears have the organ zation has never
really had. They never had a quarterback. They never had
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a quarterback. And so when you look at this opportunity
and he throws out the Bears, they got to be
looking at it from all types of perspectives, like, whatever
we need to do, we need to get this guy
because he makes us a better team, even if we
have to give up some pieces, he still makes us
a contender. Look, they're looking at the fact that Green
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Bay has always had a Rodgers and even with the
lack of personnel that we say the green Bay rod
the green Bay Packers have failed to put around Aaron Rodgers.
They still are reslevant every single year. Why because of
the play of the quarterback. So so gee, So we've
been in similar situations to say the least back in
(29:46):
two thousand seven when we played you all guys in
the NFC Championship up to and listen, man, listen to
the question. Listen to the question. We are saying to
ourselves that Greg Jennings is the most explosive player that
they have, and he's the best wide receiver. And but
(30:07):
you lead the team in touchdown of receptions and your counterpart,
you watched him get elected to go to the Pro Bowl.
Do you feel that you were the best wide receiver
on that team? Hands down? And like it's it was
in my mind, there was no question, but that roster
(30:31):
Donald Drive wasn't Donald Driver talking to you talking about
here talking about Drive. He's talking about Drive. I had
the utmost respect for the guys ahead of me. That's
just the way I carry myself like I respected Drive.
I felt like I was a better player. Um, but
I was going to learn. I was gonna learn. I
(30:53):
was going to absorb as much as I could without
him actually extending that our branch. And so that was
out of our relationship. People don't know for yet. For
like our first three almost four years, we barely talked, barely,
barely ever talked. But now Drive is my guy. Like
(31:16):
I mean, like, it's crazy how things come around full circle.
I remember trying I'll share this story really quick. So, um,
we were we were in training, you know, we were
in off season workout, and I remember, you know, we
didn't talk, and I was trying to kind of men things.
So I'm like, you know what, let me just I
get it. He feels like I'm taken some food off
(31:38):
his plate. I'm taking some opportunities, so let me just
let me just do my part. So I go up
to him and I'm like, be Driving, man, I really
appreciate you, you know, for everything that you do and
how you've led us blah blah blah blah blah saying
all this, and he says to me, it's about time.
And I was like, what I was like what it
(31:59):
what it did? It It didn't make It didn't change
the way I felt about them, because I knew I
needed him, like and I knew he needed me. But
it was a matter of getting him to really believe that. Like, look, man, um,
it's not me against you, it's really not. Because as
long as I'm eating, you gonna eat because you you're
a bad dude. Like as long as you eating, I
(32:22):
mean because I feel like I'm a bad dude. And
so it wasn't until we started getting the Jordy Nelson's
and we got the James Jones and we've end up
getting Randall cop and it is like, okay, great, ain't
so bad, like he like it. This is just the
way it is. Like And a lot of times when
guys have had to work in their mind harder to
(32:44):
get to where a player that comes in in the
second round, first round draft pick, they like, man, it
just was given to y'all. But I'm coming in six
seven round draft pickers Donald Driver and I had to
I had to scrape and crawl and get to where
I had to earn every ounce of it. And so
I say all that, but to date, now, man, that's
my guy. We talked, We chop it up. I mean,
(33:06):
I couldn't ask for a better teammate. He was. He
was phenomenal. The first three years was rough though, but
on the field, nobody ever knew because we was all smiles.
Talking to Greg Jennings, FS one NFL analysts, super Bowl
champion of the Green Bay Package. You can find him
at on Twitter at Greg Jennings. All Right, our last
question for you, and we appreciate you coming on. Man.
You've been dope man. Work with you on Undisputed all
(33:28):
week long. It was super cool man, you super knowledgeable dude.
I want to get your opinion on this. Heard it,
but I want everybody else to hear. Deshaun Watson the
Texans UM, he's still making it very uh, very clear
that even after meeting with with the head coach, uh,
he still wants to to be out of there. UM.
(33:49):
At what point is this taking it too far? Is
it taking it too far for Deshaun Watson? Is it
taking it too far with the Texans and how they've
handled it? You know, what's your take on it? I
personally don't think it's taken it too far for Dashawan
on his on his side, of things, and I'm gonna
always side to be more side sided with the player
(34:10):
because that's the position that I've been in. And I
get it when you have an opportunity and you have
kind of um status the way that quarterbacks now have
that status, and uh, you gotta use it. And it's like,
I think we are married. I'm plax you married. Yes,
yes he is. We are mad. I had to answer
(34:33):
for you, plaques, but I know it was it was
that was that after this segment, we all we all know,
we all know individuals that have been divorced and and
may have even conversed with them, and it's like, from
(34:55):
the outside looking in, he's like, man, you y'all can
make it work. You can make it work. But when
you're in it, you're like, nah, no, there's something that
has happened to where I'm over it. There's a there's
a line that was crossed. That's like, I'm done. I
can't go back. It doesn't matter if if I know
she or he may be a good dude now, but
it was a line that was crossed and I can't
(35:16):
go back. That's the Shaun Watson right now with the Texas.
He's saying like, look, I don't care what y'all bringing here.
The marriage is over. The marriage is over. I don't
want to sleep in the bed with you anymore. I
don't want I do not want to be here anymore.
And if you force, if you try to force me
to be here, I'm just gonna I'm just I'm not coming.
I'm not coming back to the house. So that's what
the Shaun Watson is. I think that the Houston Texans
(35:39):
and if they really want to get something for him,
they should do it now, um, because the longer they wait,
the more teams are going to devalue what they're willing
to give because it's like, well, he wants out, and y'all,
he's not gonna play for y'all, so out. I don't
want it to get messy. They want to get something
(36:00):
for him and get the work. Just let that man
go somewhere. Man, we really appreciate you coming on G
and J, Greg Jennings, you know who he is. He's amazing.
You see him on FS one. Here's his theme song, Yeah,
Jamie's there's this theme. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing a great job.
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(41:41):
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this this that love affair with everybody is. Look when
you're when you're fourteen to seven up on the Browns
and you get sacked and fumble Miles Garrett and and
(42:03):
they tied us for a fourteen and you don't do
anything else during the game until it's forty one to fourteen?
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(42:23):
Dallas flasty one. Do you know Dak had three turnovers?
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(42:44):
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(43:06):
started the six team, just starting the third quarter. Well,
Dallas held up to that touchdown and gave him really well,
get the ball back with two minutes left, what's dock do?
Exactly what Andy Dalton got roasted for on third down
against the Jacks. Keep doing interstructional time in the game.
That's three turnovers and everybody wants to talk about the
(43:26):
foreigner fifty yards he had too and guess what Cam
Newton threw for three nineties seven against the same Seattle defense. Ull,
we appreciate, we appreciate the call, Hanking, So we gotta
go get Russell Wilson in in in Dallas, guys. I
appreciate you, Hank. Yeah. Um, you gotta love our fans.
(43:48):
Just interact with the team man and just really really
speaking from the heart. Man, It's quite amazing. What's your
best destination on this wor shit? He go plex? My
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Saints and the Bears his office and doesn't doesn't get
any better. Mhm. He doesn't have better while receivers in
(44:11):
DK Metcalf and todder Lockett, he doesn't get better. What
he's doing is he's crying out for help, Pete, please
protect me, stay out of the a f C. Because
his mama, his mama named Patrick. I'm gonna calling Patrick.
What you got to stay in the NFC. If you're
talking about help, you go get coaching help and you
go play with the Saints. We're heading up on the
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The show is just keep getting bigger. We're just trying
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I I know we got russ as as our opening topic.
(04:49):
But I was sitting and I was thinking about the
shade that took place this this week with uh, who
who's the Who's the player? I'm I'm losing? Isn't he
played for the Lakers. He went to the Pelicans. He
plays with brandon Ingram. Now, brandon Ingram said, well, let's
(05:12):
hear what he said. I've never played with the players
talented as me. Um, he's a generational talent where you
don't know what you're gonna get from him every single night,
because this is gonna be something different. It's gonna be
something inside him, and I like to feed off that,
or I like to come into the game and be
ready because I know he's gonna be ready. So it's
(05:33):
good to have another All Star warside me and having
the same mindsets me going into games. That's gonna just
try to be the best player that he can be. Now,
let me set the stage on this because I want,
I want. This is interesting because I I I have
no idea where you guys are gonna go with this,
but I'm so excited to have this conversation. So he
(05:56):
says that that Zion is the most talented dude that
that he's seen like him right period since playing He
played with Lebron James and in Los Angeles, and we
all know the trade took place him, Alonzo Ball, a
couple other guys. They go and they bring in a
(06:18):
d They're gonna win a Championship. But now Brandon is
an All Star, so he A lot of people felt
like that was shade being thrown out. I made the
argument point during the course of a show on on
Undisputed that for people to sit there and look crazy
at Brandon Ingram for saying that because he played with
(06:42):
Lebron James was it was as as forementioned, uh an
assinine comment to make. I made the argument point, and
I'm just interested because I know for certain that there
is a there is a receiver that is going into
the Hall of Fame. There is a receiver that's probably
(07:04):
already in the Hall of Fame. There is a receiver
that would be considered to have had a better career
than one of you guys by by all pro bits,
by by pro bowl bits, whatever it may be, and
they've been considered to be a better player than you.
I made the argument that there's somebody that's sitting somewhere
(07:27):
having a discussion point that Brandon Ingram is is super
talented and and one of the most talented, maybe even
more talented than than Lebron James. Now it might sound
crazy because of all of the conversation that surrounds Lebron
James and his greatness, and he's being compared to Michael
Jordan's Is he better than Jordan? He's better than is
(07:48):
he com better than Kobe? All of those comparisons, And
I get it, and all of the accolades and all
of the accomplishments. I get that. But is it Is
it a foregone conclusion to say that there isn't someone
not sitting there having the argument. If Brandon Ingram had
the same type of support, if brandon Ingram had the
same hype machine behind him, the backing, the finances, dotta
(08:08):
di dotta dia at bare minimum, there might be some
merit to somebody saying I have more ability, I had
more talent than a person that was perceived to be
the greatest to ever do it. I start thinking about it,
and I'm I'm gonna let I'm gonna let yall touch
on it. I'm gonna give you all a great example
(08:29):
of what what I'm talking about when it comes to
my my time to talk. But t J start us off?
What like what what what would be your opinion? Because
I know there's a receiver that people say, oh, that's
the greatest receiver all time. He's the dopest dude all time.
And I know you don't think he had the ability
that you had. I know you don't think that he
was better than you. Plex can attested this. There's a
(08:50):
lot of guys that people think are good, but they're
really not. They just get the opportunity um each and
every game. Huh, when I ran right, it wasn't. It
wasn't a handful of guy that could separate and create
separation like I could when I was playing. And that's
a fact. But onto the brandon Ingram Lebron topic. For me,
(09:12):
he probably he probably didn't feel as if he played
with Lebron because he didn't really want me there. He
wanted to get rid of me. So he didn't look
at Lebron as a teammate because there's no way now
you you can look at Zion and say, man, he's talented.
But Lebron came in with so much hype. But not
(09:34):
only did he come in with hype, he lived up
to it and surpassed it. Like he came into the
league when he had to play against the Boston Celtics
and they had Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Like
that's what he came into and he lived up to that.
So for him to say that he doesn't like Lebron personally,
(09:56):
HiT's something. It's personal more than it is reality. Because
Zion can be a fantastic player, but nobody will say
that Zion is as good as Lebron or has the
potential to be as good as Lebron because he has
any he hasn't shown he's not. He hasn't shown that,
so for he's not but brandon Ingram he should believe
(10:19):
in himself that he should believe that because I'll be honest,
I didn't think people were better than me, and people
on outside might be like, what are you talking about,
But that's just my belief in myself, And so brandon
Ingram there, to me, it's more personal than it is
(10:40):
reality when he made that statement. But I don't mind
any player that has that type of self belief in
themselves and saying, oh, he just he's not as talented
as me. Whether it's sure or not. If you believe it,
that's why you're in the position that you're in because
of that self belief in you when others said, now
you can't do it. I don't know what you're talking
matters is what you feel about yourself goes a long way.
(11:03):
I believe that Brandon Ingram spoke out of context. I
don't think. I don't think he really thought about you know,
what he was saying, and if he was thinking when
he said it is personal and there's a lot of
salt in that comment. And you know, he wasn't really
(11:24):
in Los Angeles long enough to believe that he you know,
Lebron was a teammate of his. I really believe that.
But if you look at you know, all these five
star athletes coming out of high school. He went to
Duke and clearly, I don't know what he was rint
coming out of high school, but clearly on that Duke
basketball team, he was the best player on that team.
(11:46):
And you know, he plays one year and then he
goes to the NBA as a high draft pick and
all his life he can honestly say that that that
that that that there's been nobody better than him all
his life. So I believe when he made that statement, uh,
(12:08):
he spoke out, he spoke spoke out of context. But
why is it guy? Out of context? Let me ask
you this, because I get where you're coming from, plex
But let's be real here. How many how many receivers
went to the Pro Bowl? Y'all were both in the
a f C at the same time. How many Pro
Bowls you want to t J how many you went to? Plex? Zero? Okay?
How long were y'all's careers? How many years did you
(12:31):
spend in the a f C? Uh? Eleven in the FC?
How many for you? Plex? Uh? Seven? Total? Seven totals?
So you're telling me, bet when you're eleven and your seven,
the dudes that was going to the Pro Bowls ahead
of y'all, we're better than they had more ability to
Pro Bowl In my situation, I don't know what was
(12:52):
going on, but it was. Do you know what's crazy? Plex,
I didn't even realize you never made it to a
Pro Bowl right now, to you, I'm the only wide
receiver in NFL, actually in NFL with a thousand y'all
season level, Hunter y'all season twelve hunter y'all season guaranteed.
I never knew that to right and to and to
never get a nod. It's a man. I was the
(13:17):
first alternate three times. Chad was the first alternate. The
year I got voted in and Chad made it and
and and it's the Pro Bowl. We we both know
you're sitting the meetings. Who you want to vote for?
I don't like. I don't like plex PLEXI point, we
ain't voting for plexes. That's how they do it. But
you are still judged off of how your view by
your peers and by the media. So the point that
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I'm making is y'all making my point. How many of
them dudes was better than y'all going to the Pro Bowl?
How many are I didn't think any of them in
my opinion, plex How many they could play? You give
them their credit? How many of them matched? You know? Uh,
I don't you know. I don't know how many guys
mask me. All I can do is look look at
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I appreciate being politically right. I appreciate you being humble, Plex,
But but but you're you're retired, you've been retired. Drop
your hand, im I know I've d and tequila with
you and hurt these conversations. Don't don't don't not do
it now. I'm not being humble. Hey, when I was
in the NFC and a plan for the Giants, I
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think through oh five to oh wait, I was the
best way I received in the world. It was there
was nothing that you could justify to tell me that
we weren't, you know, the stats due me and Eli
and the running game and that whole thing. When when
I went over to New York, we were basically unstoppable.
There was nobody that could really, you know, play with us. Okay,
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So now so now, so listening to what you're saying, right,
So now let me apply it to myself, right, because
when I say when when I listened to what Branding said,
he sang his ability and his talent, and he's talking
overall like he's when you say something like that, that's overall.
So you could be talking about your your talking about
your entire life, your entire life. So if he's been,
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like you said, plex, if he's been his entire life,
been the best player, he's had the most ability all
throughout going to college and going into the pros, why
am I gonna stop thinking or start thinking now that
all these other people have more ability than me. They
that if if if somebody hasn't proven to me that
they have more ability to me, And then look at
(15:31):
it this way, right, and this is this is a
very very critical piece of the puzzle here. Lebron's old.
Lebron's old. So if I'm looking at Lebron right now
and I'm saying I've never had a teammate that matched
my ability level, is it is? It? Is it beyond
the realm of belief or or understanding to say that
where I was at in my career when I played
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with Lebron, James that that maybe it might be true
that Zion's ability right now it's higher than what Lebron's
was when he was playing with I can't agree with
Lebron hasn't slowed down. I could see if Lebron was
averaging fifteen, Lebron was averaging over. We're talking, we're talking,
(16:15):
we're talking abilities, but we're not just talking. We're not
just talking reputation, but we're talking about no, no, no,
reputation in stats, especially in the NBA. That didn't work
for a bomb. Isn't putting up twenty five points to
night a bomb, isn't breaking a thousand MS receiving No, no, no, no.
What I'm saying is Lebron was older. But he's older,
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but he was still playing at a high level. It
wasn't his reputation. I played with Bruce Smith at the
end of his career. If I played with another defense
I played with and in New York and I would
have said, dang, this is the first time I played
with a defensive end with this type of talent level.
Michael Strahan was on the other side, and Michael Strahan,
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how many sacks did Bruce Smith get when you played
with him? Is that last year? How many sacks? Well? No, no, no,
what's a few? Three? No? No, he was getting How
many players were better than you when you was growing
up and when you alright? None? So so the competitive
and there's something of the nature of all of us
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is to be the best that you should think, but
it's not. It's not. We gotta take a break because
we ran long. Because this is one of them conversations
that everybody's gonna have an opinion on that time out.
We gotta get on the sideline, take a break. We're
gonna bring in Greg Jennings on the other side of
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feel like this is one of them joins that you know,
it's gonna take four guys that played in the league
to be able to broach this conversation the right way
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E and the J. You know what I'm saying. He
goes down fine like some yak man. Greg jen is
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we we got a spicy one going on here, like
like the drink, you know, the the G and J
(22:14):
drink that you're gonna introduce the line that's that's coming
out pretty soon. Um um rose a uh kanyak G
and j. Uh. Here's a here's a here's a sound
bite from from Brandon Ingram talking about uh, well, I'm
gonna let you hear it, and I know you've already
heard it, but we have applied this conversation to ourselves
(22:35):
and I want to get your opinion on is it
egregious for Brandon Brandon to be saying this and what's
your take on it? And then here here's a sound
bite right here. I've never played with a player as
talented as me. Um, He's a generational talent where you
don't know what you're gonna get from him every single night,
because this is gonna be something different. It's gonna be
(22:57):
something inside him. And uh, I like to feed off that,
or I like to come into the game and be
ready because I know he's gonna be ready. So it's
good to have another All Star warside me and having
the same mindset as me going into games. It's gonna
just try to be the best player that he can
be now on surface surface level, as talented as him.
(23:18):
We all know that's incorrect. Like, let's be clear, we
all know I'm making the argument in the discussion, but
we all know that it's not true, all right, we don't.
We know that lebron Is is the dude, and it's
probably the most talented dude that he's probably played with.
But I made the point, g isn't there a player?
Aren't you? Aren't you a guy? I looked at guys
(23:39):
that were considered perceived to be better. Uh, got accolades
as if they were better, got awards, got Pro bowls,
got all pro bits, and you knew they weren't as
talented as you, and you knew they weren't better than you.
And he said what he was feeling. Is he wrong
for what he said? Is he agrees as for what
he said? And how does that apply to you? How?
How do you look at things like that? If have
(24:00):
you been in that situation before? Well, I can't sit
here and say that he's wrong for expressing what he feels. However,
from now aside, looking in, we know overall, yes he
sounds crazy. He sound you playing with arguably the greatest
of all time. Outside it's it's it's in the it's
(24:22):
Jordan's or Lebron and you playing with Lebron, and you've
had an experience to play with this man, and you
you dismissing like that, You you basically disrespect what you
had the opportunity to play alongside of as a young
talent in this in this league. So that's number one.
Number two, This is why I say he's not because
(24:43):
it's his feelings. Players are very prideful, and so how
you treat players how you established relationships with individuals, it carries,
and so he may not have had the greatest relationship
with Lebron obviously his experiences. Man, he tried to get
rid of me. He didn't think I was worth keeping.
So so that I'm you have that pride in you
(25:07):
and you a little bitter. So I'm not gonna get
Robron Lebron that type of respect. I know what kind
of dude he is, but it's not coming out of
my mouth. The only thing that I can compare to
was when I left Green Bay, like I felt some
type of way we've all been in this situation where
we get into our feelings a little bit, and I
started talking. It wasn't that it wasn't true the things
(25:29):
that I was saying about airing and um how I
pretty much attacked leadership style and whatever it was because
I didn't feel like in the moment where I needed
him to support me, he chose not to. And so
that's where I feel like a guy like Brandon Ingram
is coming from Lebron that he wasn't looking out for me,
(25:49):
he was looking out for him. So I'm not gonna
I'm not You're not gonna get me coming out of
my mouth saying, oh, he was the best player I
ever played with. Man, he dismissed me, he threw me away,
he tried to get rid of me. He didn't think
I was worth keeping. So that's where he's coming from,
and all honestly, being in that situation, he's wrong. But
(26:09):
but but you can't tell him he's wrong because he
sees Lebron different than what we're seeing. And also Zion
Zion is his teammate now, and so I mean it
kind of makes sense. Let's transition in the football. Gee,
Russell Wilson, Oh, I don't want to be traded, but
I'm open to a trade. So that means I want out,
(26:29):
and I want out immediately. His agent comes out and says, Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, Bears,
those are the teams that we would accept and be
welcoming of a trade too. What do you believe is
the best fit And do you believe Russell Wilson will
no longer be a Seattle Seahawk. Um, I'm I don't
(26:51):
know if he will be a Seahawk Because anytime a
player like Russell Wilson, um, yes, he's doing it. The
politically correct way if you will. Like the Sean is like,
I want out, get me out of here by any
means necessary. I'm saying it. I don't need nobody to
say it. For Russell Wilson, however, is using his people
(27:13):
to say, these are the teams that we would be
willing to be traded to. I'm not saying that I
want to be traded. However, I'm gonna give you all
some options. So he's gonna allow the teams to apply
the pressure and make kind of the decisions for or
have the Seahawks be forc into making a decision that
will help benefit not only them but also Russell Wilson.
(27:35):
So we know, with just that being fed, he wants out.
But Russell Wilson, the type of individual he is, he's
trying to say face with not only the organization, his teammates,
but the fan base in Seattle as well as far
as the best fit for me personally, it's Chicago. It's
the Bears. I like the situation, and now it's with
(27:57):
a couple of contingencies there. If you you gotta get
find a way to bring back Allen Robinson and maybe
another piece. But they actually the young rookie last year
played very well. Miller played decent, he was a little injured.
Their offensive line. People think that the Bears offensive line
is very poor. It is not. They were a revolving door.
(28:18):
They were altered, like circulating in out of position all
season long. They actually have a really decent offensive line.
I'm not saying it is perfect, but they will be
able to protect Russe and Wilson if they are healthy upfront.
Um So I like the Bears. I like their situation,
and then defensively, we know what they are the reason
(28:41):
why the Bears work for me is because when you
look at Ryan Pace and general manager and uh Naggy
the head coach, they're not gonna tie their hits to
Mr Traviski or Nick Foles. So they're looking for and
and and the Bears have the organ zation has never
really had. They never had a quarterback. They never had
(29:04):
a quarterback. And so when you look at this opportunity
and he throws out the Bears, they got to be
looking at it from all types of perspectives, like, whatever
we need to do, we need to get this guy
because he makes us a better team, even if we
have to give up some pieces, he still makes us
a contender. Look, they're looking at the fact that Green
(29:25):
Bay has always had a Rodgers and even with the
lack of personnel that we say the green Bay rod
the green Bay Packers have failed to put around Aaron Rodgers.
They still are reslevant every single year. Why because of
the play of the quarterback. So so gee, So we've
been in similar situations to say the least back in
(29:46):
two thousand seven when we played you all guys in
the NFC Championship up to and listen, man, listen to
the question. Listen to the question. We are saying to
ourselves that Greg Jennings is the most explosive player that
they have, and he's the best wide receiver. And but
(30:07):
you lead the team in touchdown of receptions and your counterpart,
you watched him get elected to go to the Pro Bowl.
Do you feel that you were the best wide receiver
on that team? Hands down? And like it's it was
in my mind, there was no question, but that roster
(30:31):
Donald Drive wasn't Donald Driver talking to you talking about
here talking about Drive. He's talking about Drive. I had
the utmost respect for the guys ahead of me. That's
just the way I carry myself like I respected Drive.
I felt like I was a better player. Um, but
I was going to learn. I was gonna learn. I
(30:53):
was going to absorb as much as I could without
him actually extending that our branch. And so that was
out of our relationship. People don't know for yet. For
like our first three almost four years, we barely talked, barely,
barely ever talked. But now Drive is my guy. Like
(31:16):
I mean, like, it's crazy how things come around full circle.
I remember trying I'll share this story really quick. So, um,
we were we were in training, you know, we were
in off season workout, and I remember, you know, we
didn't talk, and I was trying to kind of men things.
So I'm like, you know what, let me just I
get it. He feels like I'm taken some food off
(31:38):
his plate. I'm taking some opportunities, so let me just
let me just do my part. So I go up
to him and I'm like, be Driving, man, I really
appreciate you, you know, for everything that you do and
how you've led us blah blah blah blah blah saying
all this, and he says to me, it's about time.
And I was like, what I was like what it
(31:59):
what it did? It It didn't make It didn't change
the way I felt about them, because I knew I
needed him, like and I knew he needed me. But
it was a matter of getting him to really believe that. Like, look, man, um,
it's not me against you, it's really not. Because as
long as I'm eating, you gonna eat because you you're
a bad dude. Like as long as you eating, I
(32:22):
mean because I feel like I'm a bad dude. And
so it wasn't until we started getting the Jordy Nelson's
and we got the James Jones and we've end up
getting Randall cop and it is like, okay, great, ain't
so bad, like he like it. This is just the
way it is. Like And a lot of times when
guys have had to work in their mind harder to
(32:44):
get to where a player that comes in in the
second round, first round draft pick, they like, man, it
just was given to y'all. But I'm coming in six
seven round draft pickers Donald Driver and I had to
I had to scrape and crawl and get to where
I had to earn every ounce of it. And so
I say all that, but to date, now, man, that's
my guy. We talked, We chop it up. I mean,
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I couldn't ask for a better teammate. He was. He
was phenomenal. The first three years was rough though, but
on the field, nobody ever knew because we was all smiles.
Talking to Greg Jennings, FS one NFL analysts, super Bowl
champion of the Green Bay Package. You can find him
at on Twitter at Greg Jennings. All Right, our last
question for you, and we appreciate you coming on. Man.
You've been dope man. Work with you on Undisputed all
(33:28):
week long. It was super cool man, you super knowledgeable dude.
I want to get your opinion on this. Heard it,
but I want everybody else to hear. Deshaun Watson the
Texans UM, he's still making it very uh, very clear
that even after meeting with with the head coach, uh,
he still wants to to be out of there. UM.
(33:49):
At what point is this taking it too far? Is
it taking it too far for Deshaun Watson? Is it
taking it too far with the Texans and how they've
handled it? You know, what's your take on it? I
personally don't think it's taken it too far for Dashawan
on his on his side, of things, and I'm gonna
always side to be more side sided with the player
(34:10):
because that's the position that I've been in. And I
get it when you have an opportunity and you have
kind of um status the way that quarterbacks now have
that status, and uh, you gotta use it. And it's like,
I think we are married. I'm plax you married. Yes,
yes he is. We are mad. I had to answer
(34:33):
for you, plaques, but I know it was it was
that was that after this segment, we all we all know,
we all know individuals that have been divorced and and
may have even conversed with them, and it's like, from
(34:55):
the outside looking in, he's like, man, you y'all can
make it work. You can make it work. But when
you're in it, you're like, nah, no, there's something that
has happened to where I'm over it. There's a there's
a line that was crossed. That's like, I'm done. I
can't go back. It doesn't matter if if I know
she or he may be a good dude now, but
it was a line that was crossed and I can't
(35:16):
go back. That's the Shaun Watson right now with the Texas.
He's saying like, look, I don't care what y'all bringing here.
The marriage is over. The marriage is over. I don't
want to sleep in the bed with you anymore. I
don't want I do not want to be here anymore.
And if you force, if you try to force me
to be here, I'm just gonna I'm just I'm not coming.
I'm not coming back to the house. So that's what
the Shaun Watson is. I think that the Houston Texans
(35:39):
and if they really want to get something for him,
they should do it now, um, because the longer they wait,
the more teams are going to devalue what they're willing
to give because it's like, well, he wants out, and y'all,
he's not gonna play for y'all, so out. I don't
want it to get messy. They want to get something
(36:00):
for him and get the work. Just let that man
go somewhere. Man, we really appreciate you coming on G
and J, Greg Jennings, you know who he is. He's amazing.
You see him on FS one. Here's his theme song, Yeah,
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is is you know what I wanted to talk about
the Shawan and Russell, But I mean, I don't know.
Let's let's check Mike out in l A Mike. Mike
says he has some words for me. I don't. I
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(40:39):
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(40:59):
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Let's go to Hank. What's going on, Hank? What's going
on is something? Man? You guys want to talk about Russell,
and they bring up bringing them to the Cowboys. And
(41:41):
as the Cowboys fan, I called a couple of weeks
going rip Russell and told you all by this one interception,
you know, and the Super Bowl was the only one
that year from the one yard by. But let me
tell you why I want him on my Cowboys. Okay, man,
this this that love affair with everybody is. Look when
you're when you're fourteen to seven up on the Browns
and you get sacked and fumble Miles Garrett and and
(42:03):
they tied us for a fourteen and you don't do
anything else during the game until it's forty one to fourteen?
Did we not get the ball back? We're gonna play Seattle, right,
We're gonna play Seattle as thirty real quick, man, what
do you give up to get Russell. Now, I don't care. Look,
I think give you Seattle Gay. Let's do this table game, Okay,
(42:23):
Dallas flasty one. Do you know Dak had three turnovers?
He had one at the end of the first half
when we got the ball back with fifty two seconds
down to point. We turned the ball over to Russell
Wilson with forty eight second flack because the first pass
does an interception and so Russell puts it in and
suddenly Dallas is down twenty three fifteen and a half. Well, well,
(42:44):
get the ball to start the second half. What happens
first play? Dak fumbles because he got sacked. Can't you
at least hold on to the ballston? What is Russell Wilson? Do? Guys?
Russell Wilson plus a touchdown on the board is thirty
to fifteen? What anotherbodys? Who will? Dallas said? The leaves
thirty one and thirty We Russell Wilson on the other
side of the field. So see, I don't go down
after Dallas telling the rest of the turn right, just
(43:06):
started the six team, just starting the third quarter. Well,
Dallas held up to that touchdown and gave him really well,
get the ball back with two minutes left, what's dock do?
Exactly what Andy Dalton got roasted for on third down
against the Jacks. Keep doing interstructional time in the game.
That's three turnovers and everybody wants to talk about the
(43:26):
foreigner fifty yards he had too and guess what Cam
Newton threw for three nineties seven against the same Seattle defense. Ull,
we appreciate, we appreciate the call, Hanking, So we gotta
go get Russell Wilson in in in Dallas, guys. I
appreciate you, Hank. Yeah. Um, you gotta love our fans.
(43:48):
Just interact with the team man and just really really
speaking from the heart. Man, It's quite amazing. What's your
best destination on this wor shit? He go plex? My
best destination? Yeah? With if I'm Russell Wilson between Dallas
Saints and the Bears his office and doesn't doesn't get
any better. Mhm. He doesn't have better while receivers in
(44:11):
DK Metcalf and todder Lockett, he doesn't get better. What
he's doing is he's crying out for help, Pete, please
protect me, stay out of the a f C. Because
his mama, his mama named Patrick. I'm gonna calling Patrick.
What you got to stay in the NFC. If you're
talking about help, you go get coaching help and you
go play with the Saints. We're heading up on the
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