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June 18, 2025 42 mins

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In this episode of A Productive Conversation, I dive into a topic that’s often overlooked when discussing productivity: conflict. But not just any conversation about conflict — this one’s with Dana Caspersen, conflict engagement specialist, TEDx speaker, and author of Conflict Is an Opportunity: 20 Fundamental Decisions for Navigating Difficult Times.


Dana brings a rare combination of deep analytical insight and artistic fluency to the conversation, shaped by decades of work as both a mediator and an award-winning performing artist. We explore how the way we approach conflict — in work, relationships, and even with ourselves — is a direct reflection of how we manage time, attention, and energy.

Six Discussion Points

  • Why conflict isn’t a distraction from productivity — it’s a part of it.
  • The four fundamental elements of conflict: emotion, needs, interests, and strategies.
  • How assumptions derail conversations and curiosity keeps them alive.
  • Replacing complaints and demands with thoughtful requests.
  • The role of journaling in conflict clarity and attention calibration.
  • Dana’s “20 Decisions” framework and how to work with — not against — your conflict habits.

Three Connection Points

This episode reminded me that conflict isn’t something we need to fear or avoid — it’s something we can navigate with purpose. Dana’s thoughtful framework is more than theory; it’s a guide you can return to anytime you feel stuck, misunderstood, or simply out of sync. If you want to turn tension into transformation, this conversation is a must-listen.


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