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December 2, 2016 62 mins

Recorded live at Wythe Hotel on November 15, 2016, as part of The Great Discontent Live series. Host Tina Essmaker talks to Principal Designer at Adobe, Khoi Vinh, and designer & Hello Mr. founder, Ryan Fitzgibbon, about the role of empathy in design, when the political becomes personal, and using art & design to affect social change.

This episode was produced by The Great Discontent and Benjamin Welch with sound engineering by Ryan Essmaker. Learn more about The Great Discontent and read 200+ long-form interviews online at thegreatdiscontent.com.

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