June 17, 2025 • 15 mins
George Noory and author Jonathan Emord examine recent political protests from a constitutional perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM On iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan, I have a friend of mine who got married
to a girl from Thailand and they got her citizenship.
It took a while. He had to hire an immigration attorney.
And then she had three kids in Thailand and got
them here and they're all citizens, but it took a
long time. How easy or difficult is it for citizenship
to be obtained, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It tends to be very difficult for a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
And it's unnecessarily so, except in circumstances where the country
of origin for the person is actually hiding or not
allowing the American government access to information on backgrounds. But
we really need to streamline the law and make this
whole process more efficient and more effective in ferreting out
(00:54):
those that have criminal backgrounds and that are not loyal
to the United States. Essentially, what we want to ensure
is that a person has talent, they have the economic
value necessary to come and contribute to this country, That
they love this country, that they believe in its constitution
and laws, and will even defend the nation with their
(01:15):
lives if necessary, and that they have a long history
of being good citizens. Law abiding, not breaking the law,
not engaging in criminal conduct, or affiliating with those who
are engaged in criminal conduct. And that's a background check
of some degree of.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Depth. But that's what we need to know.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And if somebody in the end, we have to ask ourselves,
is this person going to contribute to the United States
of America, both as a republic and as an economic
entity that can be the world's leader. And if they are,
then they should be welcomed here. We're a nation of immigrants,
we've always been, and we need a system it's effective.
(02:00):
We don't have one. We have a broken system, but
it is what it is, and it's no excuse to
authorize illegal and rampant invasion of this country as the
prior administration allowed.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Jonathan, how difficult it is to find these thugs and
murderers and scumbags who are illegal and get them back
out of the country or get them arrested.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's very difficult because the intelligence actions necessary to vet
people were not used by the prior administration. I know
very well this whole thing because I went to the
border and in the San Diego sector, I was taken
about by the head of the the.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
CVP and I really saw just how horrible it is.
They moved everybody away from the borders and put.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Them into processing of people, and in those processing centers,
they basically were just ushering people through and letting them
go wherever they wanted to in the United States, with
NGOs paying for that and taxpayers paying for them. And
there was no vetting, there was no serious assessment of
each of these people, and the cartels were shuffling in
(03:17):
all sorts of nefarious people for their own purposes to
extend their reach into the country and their criminal enterprises.
So we have sex trafficking and drug trafficking writ large
all over the United States and every urban area and elsewhere.
And that is a direct result of a total breakdown
in the rule of law of the border. So we
(03:38):
don't know where these people are. We know where a
lot of the gang activity is because of overt criminality
and the local authorities arresting and running into them.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But there are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
People here who we suspect or terraces. We know that
there are hundreds and hundreds of them that came through
and we don't know where they are.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Peaceful protesting, of course, is an acceptable means of issues.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
We have a wonderful First Amendment to the United States
Constitution that protects your right to petition the government for
redress or grievances, and to freedom of expression and to protest.
But there's a difference between protests, which is expression, and rioting,
which is action deleterious or harmful to property, lives, liberty,
(04:29):
and those things we have to arrest and stop. You
have a right to speak, you have a right to
express your views, but you don't have a right to
spit at authorities or hit them, or throw bottles filled
with ice or bricks or.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Pyrotechnics.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
All of that, of course, is grows criminal activity, and
those people need to be arrested and prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And we need to stiffen the penalties because it's.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Been happening and now over two dozen jurisdictions nationwide. We
need to change the law, the criminal law here and
double the penalties when it's in the midst of a riot.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Two thousand protests across the country this weekend, somebody got
killed in Utah, sadly enough accidentally.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not easy, no, and you know a lot of
these groups Antifa and BLM, but principally, Antifa these days
use the presence of a gathering or political agitation as
a basis to infiltrate these groups and egg them on
into violent activity and actually engage in violent activity. We
(05:38):
need to track all of this down, use good intelligence
and identify who's responsible, and then arrest them and prosecute them.
I'm sure this administration is doing that. And when you
do that, you'll substantially reduce the numbers of these people
and it will largely go away. You'll get back to
free and fair and honest test as opposed to this
(06:02):
sort of surreptitious effort to create anarchy, mayhem, or destroy
the government or the private property in the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Did you see this ice raid basically at the various
places happening.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Did I see it in person?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Did you see it coming?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yes, we knew there would be mass deportations. That was
something the President Trump said throughout the campaign, and so
we knew that they were going to focus. Tom Homan
would focus on arresting those who are engaged in violent activity.
Their number number one priority, which they are still vigorously
(06:42):
and actually doubling their efforts to do nationwide, is to
find the violent individuals, the ones engaged in criminal activity,
particularly trafficking both in humans and in drugs, and get
them arrested, get them processed and kicked out of the country.
And that's going to continue. In fact, the President just yesterday,
(07:04):
I believe, announced that there would be a doubling of
the efforts to do that, and that will continue.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think throughout the Trump administration is the.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Only way to get those thugs. Get everybody first.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, they are sensitive to this.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I mean, they're not presently going after people who are
not breaking the laws beyond the illegal entry. If they're
present and they're affiliating with those that are engaged in
the violent activity, they will get swept up in the
whole process. But they're targeting the individuals who are in
the prison system or who are found in the course
(07:44):
of their investigations and identified as violent. And so that's
still some two hundred thousand people have been deported, about
over a million have been self deported.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But Home is UH and so is j you know,
the Secretary of.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Homeland Security is Home and also Christy Nome HHS director.
That's what they're interested in doing because it's an urgent priority.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Once that is done.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think they'll move on to other individuals, but right
now that's the focus.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Should they have really gone after those poor folks waiting
outside home depot, sitting around wanting to work, Well, you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Know, they're not they're not.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's not like a death sentence. They're sending them back
to their country of origin, and they're asking them to
reapply in instances where they are breaking the law and
staying here despite the statements being made by Secretary Nome. Well,
they're excluding them from the country permanently. You don't have
a right to be here, and if you came in illegally,
(08:56):
that's kind of you know, you got to expect that
if the law is going to be in, you're going
to be kicked out. So I don't really understand all
the whining, because it really is something that you should
anticipate when you break the law.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Do you expect to break the law and not have consequence?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I guess that was what the Biden administration gave them,
But that's not the rule of law. And would they
want to really live in a country where the rule
of law was not honored? Would you like to live
in a country where if someone commits a crime. They're
not prosecuted well in several jurisdictions. That's what's happening. We
have sorrows backed prosecutors who won't prosecute the criminal law,
(09:32):
who are not prosecuting sex offenders, and the President and
the administration are really dedicated to going after those sanctuary
city jurisdictions and going after those who are not enforcing
the rule of law. This is a law and order campaign,
and it's essential to protect the rights of American citizens.
(09:53):
We have to put Americans first. We have to protect
their rights first, and we can't allow those who wish
to be here and virtually everybody on earth does, to
determine the course of our own future under the law
and our own security.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I agree with you, Jonathan, they should speed things up
for the good people to try to get them their citizenship.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We need a better system, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Jonathan eymoord with us. His website is his last name
linked up at coast tocosdam dot com. We're talking about
the constitutional abilities of legal and illegal immigration. Where does
it stop with these protests? What's next?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They're going to stop. Protesting, of course is perfectly fine.
Rioting is not. And I think as long as the
ANTIFA and BLM operatives and also those that are being
paid and hired by these nefarious influencers, are allowed to
operate without sanction, we will have violence, and we will
(11:00):
need to use the authorities.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
In most instances, the police can handle these things. But
when you're talking.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
About bricks and ice bottles and pyrotechnics and sophisticated operations
that are moving about and attacking police at vulnerable points
and egging them on to engage in violence, you sooner
or later we'll run into instances where individual rights are
violated to life, liberty, and property, and where federal property
(11:28):
is being assaulted, as is the case in LA, and
then you have a federal answer, And unfortunately, that's what
we're going to have to have at our expense.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's cost us a lot to do this. I think
it's over one.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Hundred and thirty eight million dollars that have been expended
thus far in federal dollars to finance the federalization of
the National Guard and the Marines.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That were sent to LA.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That must be escalating because of the need for federal
involvement and other jurisdictions where the governors have called out,
I have aided the federalization of the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
What do you think the average age of the protester
has been.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Oh, I think they're pretty young.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The ones that are engaged in violence are ordinarily in
their twenties and young young, some younger. These are kids
that are you know, misunderstand our country and a lot
of them, you know, burning the American flag and not
appreciating the sacrifice that has been paid by so dearly,
(12:34):
by so many to keep us a free nation. It is,
you know, metaphorically spitting in all of our faces when
they do that. We would like to think that isn't
the case. But remember, the First Amendments of the Constitution
allows you to hate this country, but it doesn't allow
you to harm it. And so you can articulate an
(12:54):
opinion that is really repulsive to the vast majority of us,
and you have a right to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And we learned from that.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We learn what you're about, we learned what your motivations are,
We learn just how wrong you are by understanding what
you have to say.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So that's the nature of the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Do these young protesters, Jonathan support the thugs that come
into the country.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Some of them do, some of them are.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think the vast majority of them are terribly naive
and have a very superficial understanding, and they get swept
up in rhetoric that is utterly false foundationally. I mean
the idea that somehow this nation is actually owned by
people from south of the border or elsewhere, and that
(13:43):
we're somehow invaders in this property.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I mean, that's absurd.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
We conquered the nation, yes, as has every civilization in
the history of the world that is populating a nation
on earth. They've all conquered a prior nation that was
in control. But that conquering came with a new government
that was dedicated to individual liberty, the first in the
history of the world. There's never been one before since.
(14:10):
And our declaration of Independence, which we're going to honor
next year on its birthday, two hundred and fifty years
after the Declaration of Independence was struck off, is perhaps
the greatest monument to liberty in the history of the world,
and that's ours. And we have been a beacon of
(14:31):
freedom and have been a great beacon of economic progress
for the world, and an envious world it has been
looking at us. But that is unique, and that is
a treasure, and substantively it's the greatest thing ever to
come by man on earth. So you know, we ought
(14:52):
to honor it, we ought to love it. But there
are a lot of kids who are misguided who don't.
But they're just a minority in the end, rather extraordinary
minority of kids, I think, and I'm pleased to see.
The upcoming generation is overwhelmingly understanding that the nation is
a nation of laws and that the nation needs to
protect itself. We will depend on that for our future.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM On iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan, I have a friend of mine who got married
to a girl from Thailand and they got her citizenship.
It took a while. He had to hire an immigration attorney.
And then she had three kids in Thailand and got
them here and they're all citizens, but it took a
long time. How easy or difficult is it for citizenship
to be obtained, Well.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It tends to be very difficult for a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
And it's unnecessarily so, except in circumstances where the country
of origin for the person is actually hiding or not
allowing the American government access to information on backgrounds. But
we really need to streamline the law and make this
whole process more efficient and more effective in ferreting out
(00:54):
those that have criminal backgrounds and that are not loyal
to the United States. Essentially, what we want to ensure
is that a person has talent, they have the economic
value necessary to come and contribute to this country, That
they love this country, that they believe in its constitution
and laws, and will even defend the nation with their
(01:15):
lives if necessary, and that they have a long history
of being good citizens. Law abiding, not breaking the law,
not engaging in criminal conduct, or affiliating with those who
are engaged in criminal conduct. And that's a background check
of some degree of.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Depth. But that's what we need to know.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And if somebody in the end, we have to ask ourselves,
is this person going to contribute to the United States
of America, both as a republic and as an economic
entity that can be the world's leader. And if they are,
then they should be welcomed here. We're a nation of immigrants,
we've always been, and we need a system it's effective.
(02:00):
We don't have one. We have a broken system, but
it is what it is, and it's no excuse to
authorize illegal and rampant invasion of this country as the
prior administration allowed.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Jonathan, how difficult it is to find these thugs and
murderers and scumbags who are illegal and get them back
out of the country or get them arrested.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
It's very difficult because the intelligence actions necessary to vet
people were not used by the prior administration. I know
very well this whole thing because I went to the
border and in the San Diego sector, I was taken
about by the head of the the.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
CVP and I really saw just how horrible it is.
They moved everybody away from the borders and put.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Them into processing of people, and in those processing centers,
they basically were just ushering people through and letting them
go wherever they wanted to in the United States, with
NGOs paying for that and taxpayers paying for them. And
there was no vetting, there was no serious assessment of
each of these people, and the cartels were shuffling in
(03:17):
all sorts of nefarious people for their own purposes to
extend their reach into the country and their criminal enterprises.
So we have sex trafficking and drug trafficking writ large
all over the United States and every urban area and elsewhere.
And that is a direct result of a total breakdown
in the rule of law of the border. So we
(03:38):
don't know where these people are. We know where a
lot of the gang activity is because of overt criminality
and the local authorities arresting and running into them.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
But there are a lot of.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
People here who we suspect or terraces. We know that
there are hundreds and hundreds of them that came through
and we don't know where they are.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Peaceful protesting, of course, is an acceptable means of issues.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
We have a wonderful First Amendment to the United States
Constitution that protects your right to petition the government for
redress or grievances, and to freedom of expression and to protest.
But there's a difference between protests, which is expression, and rioting,
which is action deleterious or harmful to property, lives, liberty,
(04:29):
and those things we have to arrest and stop. You
have a right to speak, you have a right to
express your views, but you don't have a right to
spit at authorities or hit them, or throw bottles filled
with ice or bricks or.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Pyrotechnics.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
All of that, of course, is grows criminal activity, and
those people need to be arrested and prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
And we need to stiffen the penalties because it's.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Been happening and now over two dozen jurisdictions nationwide. We
need to change the law, the criminal law here and
double the penalties when it's in the midst of a riot.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Two thousand protests across the country this weekend, somebody got
killed in Utah, sadly enough accidentally.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not easy, no, and you know a lot of
these groups Antifa and BLM, but principally, Antifa these days
use the presence of a gathering or political agitation as
a basis to infiltrate these groups and egg them on
into violent activity and actually engage in violent activity. We
(05:38):
need to track all of this down, use good intelligence
and identify who's responsible, and then arrest them and prosecute them.
I'm sure this administration is doing that. And when you
do that, you'll substantially reduce the numbers of these people
and it will largely go away. You'll get back to
free and fair and honest test as opposed to this
(06:02):
sort of surreptitious effort to create anarchy, mayhem, or destroy
the government or the private property in the United States.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Did you see this ice raid basically at the various
places happening.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Did I see it in person?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Did you see it coming?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Yes, we knew there would be mass deportations. That was
something the President Trump said throughout the campaign, and so
we knew that they were going to focus. Tom Homan
would focus on arresting those who are engaged in violent activity.
Their number number one priority, which they are still vigorously
(06:42):
and actually doubling their efforts to do nationwide, is to
find the violent individuals, the ones engaged in criminal activity,
particularly trafficking both in humans and in drugs, and get
them arrested, get them processed and kicked out of the country.
And that's going to continue. In fact, the President just yesterday,
(07:04):
I believe, announced that there would be a doubling of
the efforts to do that, and that will continue.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think throughout the Trump administration is the.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Only way to get those thugs. Get everybody first.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, they are sensitive to this.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I mean, they're not presently going after people who are
not breaking the laws beyond the illegal entry. If they're
present and they're affiliating with those that are engaged in
the violent activity, they will get swept up in the
whole process. But they're targeting the individuals who are in
the prison system or who are found in the course
(07:44):
of their investigations and identified as violent. And so that's
still some two hundred thousand people have been deported, about
over a million have been self deported.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But Home is UH and so is j you know,
the Secretary of.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Homeland Security is Home and also Christy Nome HHS director.
That's what they're interested in doing because it's an urgent priority.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Once that is done.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think they'll move on to other individuals, but right
now that's the focus.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Should they have really gone after those poor folks waiting
outside home depot, sitting around wanting to work, Well, you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Know, they're not they're not.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's not like a death sentence. They're sending them back
to their country of origin, and they're asking them to
reapply in instances where they are breaking the law and
staying here despite the statements being made by Secretary Nome. Well,
they're excluding them from the country permanently. You don't have
a right to be here, and if you came in illegally,
(08:56):
that's kind of you know, you got to expect that
if the law is going to be in, you're going
to be kicked out. So I don't really understand all
the whining, because it really is something that you should
anticipate when you break the law.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Do you expect to break the law and not have consequence?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I guess that was what the Biden administration gave them,
But that's not the rule of law. And would they
want to really live in a country where the rule
of law was not honored? Would you like to live
in a country where if someone commits a crime. They're
not prosecuted well in several jurisdictions. That's what's happening. We
have sorrows backed prosecutors who won't prosecute the criminal law,
(09:32):
who are not prosecuting sex offenders, and the President and
the administration are really dedicated to going after those sanctuary
city jurisdictions and going after those who are not enforcing
the rule of law. This is a law and order campaign,
and it's essential to protect the rights of American citizens.
(09:53):
We have to put Americans first. We have to protect
their rights first, and we can't allow those who wish
to be here and virtually everybody on earth does, to
determine the course of our own future under the law
and our own security.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I agree with you, Jonathan, they should speed things up
for the good people to try to get them their citizenship.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
We need a better system, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Jonathan eymoord with us. His website is his last name
linked up at coast tocosdam dot com. We're talking about
the constitutional abilities of legal and illegal immigration. Where does
it stop with these protests? What's next?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
They're going to stop. Protesting, of course is perfectly fine.
Rioting is not. And I think as long as the
ANTIFA and BLM operatives and also those that are being
paid and hired by these nefarious influencers, are allowed to
operate without sanction, we will have violence, and we will
(11:00):
need to use the authorities.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
In most instances, the police can handle these things. But
when you're talking.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
About bricks and ice bottles and pyrotechnics and sophisticated operations
that are moving about and attacking police at vulnerable points
and egging them on to engage in violence, you sooner
or later we'll run into instances where individual rights are
violated to life, liberty, and property, and where federal property
(11:28):
is being assaulted, as is the case in LA, and
then you have a federal answer, And unfortunately, that's what
we're going to have to have at our expense.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's cost us a lot to do this. I think
it's over one.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Hundred and thirty eight million dollars that have been expended
thus far in federal dollars to finance the federalization of
the National Guard and the Marines.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That were sent to LA.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That must be escalating because of the need for federal
involvement and other jurisdictions where the governors have called out,
I have aided the federalization of the National Guard.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
What do you think the average age of the protester
has been.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Oh, I think they're pretty young.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
The ones that are engaged in violence are ordinarily in
their twenties and young young, some younger. These are kids
that are you know, misunderstand our country and a lot
of them, you know, burning the American flag and not
appreciating the sacrifice that has been paid by so dearly,
(12:34):
by so many to keep us a free nation. It is,
you know, metaphorically spitting in all of our faces when
they do that. We would like to think that isn't
the case. But remember, the First Amendments of the Constitution
allows you to hate this country, but it doesn't allow
you to harm it. And so you can articulate an
(12:54):
opinion that is really repulsive to the vast majority of us,
and you have a right to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And we learned from that.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
We learn what you're about, we learned what your motivations are,
We learn just how wrong you are by understanding what
you have to say.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So that's the nature of the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Do these young protesters, Jonathan support the thugs that come
into the country.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Some of them do, some of them are.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think the vast majority of them are terribly naive
and have a very superficial understanding, and they get swept
up in rhetoric that is utterly false foundationally. I mean
the idea that somehow this nation is actually owned by
people from south of the border or elsewhere, and that
(13:43):
we're somehow invaders in this property.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I mean, that's absurd.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
We conquered the nation, yes, as has every civilization in
the history of the world that is populating a nation
on earth. They've all conquered a prior nation that was
in control. But that conquering came with a new government
that was dedicated to individual liberty, the first in the
history of the world. There's never been one before since.
(14:10):
And our declaration of Independence, which we're going to honor
next year on its birthday, two hundred and fifty years
after the Declaration of Independence was struck off, is perhaps
the greatest monument to liberty in the history of the world,
and that's ours. And we have been a beacon of
(14:31):
freedom and have been a great beacon of economic progress
for the world, and an envious world it has been
looking at us. But that is unique, and that is
a treasure, and substantively it's the greatest thing ever to
come by man on earth. So you know, we ought
(14:52):
to honor it, we ought to love it. But there
are a lot of kids who are misguided who don't.
But they're just a minority in the end, rather extraordinary
minority of kids, I think, and I'm pleased to see.
The upcoming generation is overwhelmingly understanding that the nation is
a nation of laws and that the nation needs to
protect itself. We will depend on that for our future.
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