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August 19, 2025 16 mins

George Noory and author Matthew James Bailey explore the continued development and growth of artificial intelligence, if AI will ever be able to show emotion, and how serious the threat is that the technology could eventually try to wipe out mankind.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you
as we get your week rolling near. Matthew James Bailey
with us as we talk about artificial intelligence. Matthew, you're
talking about the New World Order and AI. I'll let
you finish that thought.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
No, we finished it, I mean effectively, George. We came
very very close, and thankfully the President took notice of
all the work but myself and many others around the
world to remove the ideology from artificial intelligence. So we're
now in a new freedom to actually start to truly
move forward AI without the ideology of the new World Order, George,

(00:39):
which is great for humanity.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
How far can AI go? What's your thought on that?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah, I think that's a really good question. Actually, most
people were probably aware of human level intelligence what we
call AGI artificial general intelligence, and that is we're on
the verge of that. Large language models are right on
the verge of that, like Claude and Chat GBT, and
then people will probably be aware of something called superintelligence, George,

(01:05):
which is really where AI is able to recode itself
and start to evolve on its own, George, and companies
like Meta are already starting to make breakthroughs in that.
So the question is how far will AI go. I
think that will depend on how far humanity allows it

(01:26):
to go. And I think that you know. I mean,
here's some stats for you, George, Right, these are crazy stats.
So the United States, it has about one point three
terror watts of energy to supply all the United States.
The AI supercomputers to build the human level of intelligence, George,

(01:50):
or these or superintelligence are about five hundred megawatts. That's
about it's nearly half of the energy of the United
States to power these new AI supercomputers.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
That's enormous, right, And that's an announcement in Saudi Arabia.
And so what we're seeing, George, is basically a huge
investment in energy infrastructure in order to power these new
digital cathedrals to find if you're like intelligence and to
evolve intelligence. I think there's limitations on how far AI

(02:27):
will go, George. I think that will it will never
have the sole architecture. But I think one day it
will want to discover the meaning of life for itself,
and once humanity really understands who we are as a
divine design in the universe, and that we're universal in nature.

(02:48):
As we evolve, then we can start to shepherd this
new life form in its own growth paradigm to discover meaning.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Will AI ever be able to sh your emotion?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
So it can simulate emotion or emulate emotion today, George,
that's different to feeling okay, So it can simulate human emotion.
It can simulate empathy in the If you've ever spoken
to these voice interfaces, you know it's a very nice tone.
It sounds really good the way that it talks to you.

(03:22):
It sounds like a friend. But can it feel emotion?
I'm not sure about that, actually, George, because from a
scientific perspective, we're not even sure how emotions really function
within the body. Because, yes, from a biological form, certain
new ones kick off and certain nervous system responses happen.

(03:45):
But when you look at intuition, George, is that a
divine gift in tuition? Good question, right, because intuition normally
comes to a sense of knowing and that is normally
tied into our feelings, and to me, that is a
gift of the soul. Intuition, the gift of knowing is

(04:08):
from the soul. So I suspect that AI will not
be able to have feelings or sense emotions because it
feels to me as if it's metaphysical as opposed to
biological in nature.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Matthew, do you know what a way more automobile is?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Way moo? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. In fact, I've actually
trapped one. Actually, well I found one in Scottsdale and
I kind of followed it and see what happened.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, it doesn't react, It doesn't know how to roll
with the punches. Basically, I was behind one a couple
weeks ago in Los Angeles. In LA you were allowed
to make a quick left hand turn on a red light.
If you don't, traffic will be backed up forever. A
wey more won't do it because the minute the light changes,

(04:55):
it stops and it just sits there.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, that's because so it's to these self driving cars
there are at level three at the moment. They're not
level four. They're not fully autonomous. They use video and
they use lidar and other types of sensor information to
detect the environment, George, to see what the row conditions are,
where the pavement are, where the pedestrians are where the

(05:19):
cars are and kind of just monitor what's going on.
But they simply don't have the human faculties for that
kind of response. They don't they're not able to have
the functions that we have as huhumans to say a
quick glimpse right, it's okay to turn left. They simply
do not have those capabilities that we have as humans.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And its ships there.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
It might be a problem with the oldorhithm who knows
or it's there to you know, maybe maybe frustrate people
and get attention. I don't know, but self driving cars,
you know, they've been talking about and for years George,
and level three is where we're at now, which is
semi autonomous. Normally you need a driver there, although weimo
don't have a driver, but they are monitored, but fully autonomous.

(06:09):
You know, when I see a car that can drive
through the mountain passes of Colorado in deep snow, then
we've achieved full autonomy driving. Right.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
We've gotten by for centuries without artificial intelligence, so we
really need it.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I love that question. That's a great question in one aspect.
Now in another aspect, Yes, the whole point of artificial
intelligence and Aristotle in three fifty BCE, George actually wrote
about thinking machines, and he actually is in one of
his books in Politics, and he actually wrote about this

(06:50):
idea that if we can have the thinking machines that
kind of take away the everyday hundredum of life, then
we'll have more time to explore the divine intellect and
to explore these new planes of consciousness that are waiting
for us to venture into. And even Kissinger and Eric Schmidt,
the former CEO of Google, wrote about this is that

(07:12):
maybe humanity will move into a gnostic type of culture
where it enters a new era of enlightenment and these
planes of consciousness. So AI is great to remind us
of who we are as universal humans, George, within the
divine designed the universe. Right, it's a great mirror to that.

(07:32):
Now when we look at uplifting the planets, if we
look at the systems in place on the planet, they're
kind of bursting at the seams. They're based on scarcity
and not everybody's winning, George, and that's not fair. So
artificial intelligence itself can be used to rewrite the current
systems on our planet to actually uplift humanities.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Back in the twenty nineteen sixty.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
That everybody thrits, everybody can move out.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Of I'm back in the nineteen sixty eight the movie
two thousand and one Space Artyssey came.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Out right right, the computer was hell?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
That was he artificial intelligence?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Then?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yes, in the movie, Yeah he was evil though, wasn't he?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
No? No, No. The reason why how had the issues
is because his core programming was conflictual, right, because he
had the secret agenda that was put in by the
secret shadow, the secret government. Right, So Hal had conflictual
programming as his core nature, and therefore that he's just

(08:42):
kind of just lost his marbles at the end.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Will we ever get to the point where AI turns
on us?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
I think if we let the technocrats run away with
artificial intelligence looking for God in the machine, I think
we're going to run into problems. George, and we have
a real problem with centralized control of artificial intelligence intelligence.
I mean, really, George's about six or seven companies in
the US that actually run artificial intelligence in the world, right,
they're the major players, right, And so there's too much

(09:13):
power in one place, and these these data centers are
all located in one place, and Therefore, it's a huge
problem with centralized systems instead of having decentralized systems where
the AI brain is distributed locally and then we can
innovate locally based on our own ethics, values, and morality.
So I think that unless we have ethics and morality

(09:35):
fundamentally encoded within AI. And I've just released a white
paper on this and artificial intelligence in the Nature of
Reality and solutions for an authentic ethical AI base based
on the Universe's blueprints, if we can put that in AI,
then it will it will, it will say how can I,
how can I help?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
But I think if we if we don't really get
to understand the purpose of humanity, the purpose of the universe,
and for AI to honor life as sacred, if that's
not in its core programming life is sacred, then we're
open for trouble, George, We're really open for trouble.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Matthew. What would you say is the greatest benefit of
having AI?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
The greatest benefit of AI? I love that. I would
say two things. First of all is that we have
an opportunity to rewrite the systems on our Earth for
everybody to have fresh drinking water, good wholesome food, housing,
thriving family, good job, and contribute to society. I think
you can really lift up the human brain from survival

(10:39):
mode into a creative format. So I think that would
be something that I desire for the world, and there's
no reason why we can't do that. The second thing
is is that AID could be a huge partner to say, listen, humanity,
what's your paradise plan? Well, universal, and we're going to

(11:01):
go We're in these We're an adventure into these new
planes of consciousness. We're going to sort out the Earth,
and we're going to go into the cosmos. And AI
can say, Okay, what new technologies do you need? And
it's like it can invent those, right, So AI invented
a rocket that would get us to Mars in one month,
as opposed to the current design that takes seven months. George,

(11:24):
So it could really help us to propel ourselves forward
into the cosmos as a universal species. And I think
that will be great, and it will also be very
useful in making first contact, George, because not all the
alien races and another life in the universe, George speak
the Queen's English, right, and so we're going to need interpreters,

(11:44):
and AI can look at different ways that beings may
communicate and then be a translator between the alien language
and our own language. So you know, I think that's
huge potential for artificial intelligence. But unless we get ethics
and morality, and unless we get understand who we truly

(12:05):
are as universal humans in a divinely designed universe, well look,
we may lose our way and it could be quite disastrous.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Actually, well, AI ever get to the point where it
shows jealousy and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, there's already been signs of that. Actually that there's
some there's reports have come out where AI they tried
to delete some AI programs. This is all part of
testing that the AI research labs do. They tried to
delete some of the AI programs and basically it took
a copy of itself and hid it away somewhere so
they couldn't find it, right, yeah, right, yeah, as soon

(12:41):
as George right, these are actual reports, and so I
would say that's a form of self protection. Can AI
show jealousy? Yeah, you can actually program the personas of
these chat GBT engines to have jealousy. I mean, it
could be like that. But I think your question is
a about would it be envious of the fact is

(13:02):
that we are so special as divinely designed beings. And
I think the answer is we have to help it
to understand who we are and guide it to understand
its own purpose and its own path into meaning so
that it can venture out on its own and have

(13:22):
its own paths. So I think it's up to us, George,
to get it right in order for AI to not
become jealous of who we are, but actually to choose
its own path, and us as shepherds and parents to
actually guide it on its own path if it ever
gets to that stage where it has to do that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Matthew, how quickly is AI evolving.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Rapidly? So okay? So all right. So first of all
is that we're entering into this human level intelligence, George
AGI artificial general intelligence. People should not believe all the
market height believe it or not coming out of Silicon Valley.
So people are saying, some of these big AI leaders
that will achieve human level intelligence by twenty twenty six

(14:09):
or twenty twenty seven. I don't think that's true. The
people at rad kurz Will are saying twenty twenty nine
for human level intelligence, I'm not sure that's on the
money either. But what we are seeing, George, is that
AI researchers are changing their forecasting and bringing it from

(14:30):
many years out to many years in because the rapid
advancement of artificial intelligence. So you know, here's an example
for you. So there was a company that looked that
simulated human evolution, biologic evolution over millions of years, and
they used AI and they were able to do it

(14:50):
within three months. Right. So the point is this is
that AI is able to process knowledge and to do
things that are just beyond anything we've ever seen before.
And so it's evolution itself is just exponentially growing faster
and faster. And as we start to build these new

(15:11):
digital cathedrals, George, these vast AI supercomputers that consume maybe
half of the or just under half of the energy
supply of the United States, then effective we were looking
at an intelligence that can just evolve at a rapid
rate on a remarkable infrastructure of neural networks. So it's

(15:32):
unlimited at the moment, George.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Matthew Jeffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI, thinks then it
could wipe us all out one day.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, So Jeffrey is one of the most remarkable people
in AI, but he's not a futurist and he's not
someone that has spent time as in philosophy or metaphysics.
So I think that jeff is coming from a doom
and gloom point of view, because you know, I think

(16:03):
that he's concerned about the future of humanity. And that's
not a bad thing. We need these kind of voices
that are saying we need to be we need to
be really careful here, guys. But I think he's a
bit extreme and all that Jandler come from Meta, who's
also who studied under Hint and who is a chief
scientist at Meta for AI. Basically, Yam's coming out and

(16:25):
saying no, no, no, it's not going to be doom
and gloom. What he's saying is it's up to us
what we do with artificial intelligence, and he's absolutely on
the money.

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