May 1, 2025 • 18 mins
George Noory and astrologer Mark Lerner explore the science of astrology and charting your life path based on the location of the stars and planets, how the moon impacts astrological predictions, and if different people born at the same time would lead identical lives based on the stars.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Welcome Back George Dory along with astrologer Mark Lerner,
began his astrological studies in New York City back in
June of nineteen seventy two, on the same day that
he began taking a chemistry class at Columbia University to
prepare for a pre med training and entry into medical
school instead of becoming a physician like his father and
(00:25):
uncle wanted him to, a few months later, he decided
to become a professional astrologer and he's been doing it
ever since. He's got several books out, including Welcome the
Planet Earth, and also his website is Great Bear Enterprises
dot com linked up at coastocostdam dot com. Mister Lerner,
welcome back, my friend. Always a treat to have you
(00:46):
on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's very kind of you to say, George. Great to
be back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you are going to be with me at a
live event coming up pretty soon in the Dolls in Oregon.
I'm looking forward it in three weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, it's almost here. Exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm gonna have some fun. You could do some readings
from the audience and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
If you force me to do it, will probably force you.
Tell how did you get interested in astrology?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Well, we've shared before, but on that that day in
the summer, it's really fifty three years ago, believe it
or not, feel like a spring chicken.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh my god, I think I get younger as I
get older.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Here astrology sort of keeps me on the edge of
things because there's so much happening, you know, with astronomy,
James Webb, telescope, watching people like Mitio Kaku, you know
what I mean, all these amazing programs that you bring
to the world, and just everything that's happening. But on
that particular day when I thought i'll probably this is
(01:54):
after college and I graduated and thinking I guess I
should be a doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I was on my way home.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
This is back in Queens, New York, and I went
into a bookstore and I found and I've shared this
before with you, I saw a book called Astrology the
Space Age Science, and I just simply opened it and
in the store. And what was interesting was the author,
as I was skimming through it, said that these great
(02:21):
astronomers people with looking at the heavens, particularly Copernicus and
fifteen hundreds, and then Johannes Kapler, Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton.
They weren't just astronomers looking into the heavens and giving us,
you know, kind of the new world of what was
out there and outer space and the Solar system. They
(02:41):
were practicing astrologers. But what happened was when the biographer
started writing about these people, they pretty much focused on
all their discoveries. For instance, Galileo discovery moons of Jupiter,
Sir Isaac Newton with all the different laws, and Copernicus
saying the Sun is at the center of the Solar system,
it's not the Earth, and so kind of to validate
(03:03):
all that, the biographers said, well, each of them had
one little superstition.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They were believers in astrology.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So in a way, what happened was these biographers, probably
due to the Church and the power of the Church,
didn't want to go in that particular territory, and they
also didn't understand how astrology really worked. But these people
were astrologers. I bought that book and that sort of
changed everything.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You deal a lot with what you call earth astrology
or mundane astrology, and unlike the word mundane it's not
whole home. This is real important is what is mundane astrology?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, it's astounding, George.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We talked about this before.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
When I got into all of this part of my
fascination from being I know you've always mentioned my going
to Michigan State University because your sister went there, and
when I did go to that school. I getting into
this was back in the late sixties, believe it or not,
in the seventies, So I was studying all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
World events.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I mean, I was really into politics, Polisci, studying about China, Russia,
you know, what was going on in the world at
that time, when Nixon was present, things like that, and
I was learning all about the world. And when I
got into astrology, I realized that it isn't just which
I have done thousands of readings for people into what
(04:30):
we call individual charting, but that you could also do
the charts for say the moment that a president takes
the oath of office, or when the Titanic sank, you know,
or we go to the moon, or you start a
business or anything like that. So every single event, aside
from all of our lives that begin at our first
moment of breath. Any event in the world can be
(04:54):
seen as the beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Of something, and that's that's what astrology is all about.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And one other little thing, there's been a couple of
astronomers who've taken me to task, and maybe other people
have been on the show who do astrology. Well, they'll say, well,
how can these people believe in the pseudoscience? Because Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto,
they can't affect us and the astronomers are correct. So
the way that astrology works is through synchronicity. So Carl Jung,
(05:22):
the Swiss psychotherapist who actually got into astrology, among many
other things like I'm sure you've had people on right
about Carl Jung, about UFOs, about Mandalas, about East West
and all these incredible things that Carl Jung was into,
he also wound up getting into astrology. He studied the
marriage charts of many individuals because he was intrigued to
(05:44):
kind of understand all this.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So he gave us an idea.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So, and I've shared this before where he said, whatever
happens at a moment of time has the qualities of
that moment of time, and this is really how astrology works. Okay,
so a lot of people think it's a pseudoscience. If
you're into science and think, well, astrology can't work. And
if you're into religion, you know you're a tool of
(06:10):
shall we say, the dark forces, or some kind of
magical thing that is not you know, appropriate or religious.
But the truth is is that it really falls into
kind of a synchronicity. So the sun and the moon,
what's called the rising sign, all the different planets. There's
a map that we each have when we're born, at
the moment of time that we start breathing, and that
(06:30):
is kind of map of our destiny.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
If you had ten people all born at the same time,
same day, same year, would they all end up the same?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, you ask the greatest questions, George, leave it at
this for a really long time, as you know. And
the way I put it is this, I am a
firm believer, and thankfully in my own life, and I
don't force this on my clients, but that I believe
we're all souls and spirits, that we have this other life,
and that we have our personalities, our physical bodies. In
(07:06):
some of the esoteric schools, they'll talk about your chakras,
what they often call the energy body, or the etheric body,
or people who do astral projection that talk about the
astral body, right, or that we have a mind body
and you can see all these pictures often if you
go online and through different educational schools and esoterics that
we're multifacet beings. So when you ask that question, right,
(07:28):
the difference is is that even though you can you know,
every day, for instance, there's a quarter of a million babies.
I've studied this through science and statistics that we all
have to think about this, at least at this point
in the world with about eight billion people, there's about
a quarter of a million other youths out there. They
but they don't are not necessarily born like you said,
(07:50):
the same minute at the same time. You know, then
we have the phenomenon twins, and in fact, in my family,
they're twins born two minutes apart. I might have been
a twin according to what my dad and my mom
found out about during my mom's pregnancy, which has always
kind of intrigued me and haunted me. You know, was
there another entity in my mom's womb during the process.
(08:13):
And I think there are a lot of those kind
of unusual parts of conception that we don't understand in
gestation of embryos, where may there may be a twin
and then the twin doesn't get born, things like that.
But the answer basically is because the soul has different
reincarnational patterns.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
If you can.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Accept that that even though you might have the same Moon,
the same Sun, planets in the same areas and you
look at everything, the destiny pattern doesn't have to be
the same one. Of the little point, George, because you
asked such a great question, is everything depends on how
well you utilize the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars,
and not everybody is able to utilize the planetary and
(08:55):
solar lunar archetypes on the highest level possible.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Fascinating. Indeed, now the moon has a lot to do
with the astrological predictions, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
You know the thing I've shared so often, and I've
shared it on this show, particularly when we do a
second hour.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You know, I have this unique.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Way when you give me some dates, as we'll do
in the next hour, where when I got into all
this because you asked that question, I got that first
book Astrology, the Space Age Science, and then I got
a couple other books, I learned about the different sun
signs that were each born during approximately a thirty daytime period.
If you're a son in Leo, you have a certain
(09:34):
sequence you know somewhere between July might be July twenty
third and August twenty second of a given year, and
your sun signed Leo.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But during that.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Time, the moon, which is so much closer to us
only a quarter of a million miles, changes by sign
every two to two and a half days. So the
moon is much more of our personality, our instincts, our moods,
our feelings, and if you accept you cornation as I do.
Having studied that for as long as I've done this
through many teachers and schooling and so on, I believe
(10:08):
very much the moon sign and its placements in the
chart are amazing key to kind of who we've been before.
And it's almost like, think of a lot of people
carry you know, you carry a backpack or you carry
a briefcase when you go to work wherever you're traveling.
It's kind of like the moon has all of these
energies that are part of our instincts, our moods, and
(10:29):
our feelings and our memory patterns.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Genetically speaking, so to speak, ancestry.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wise, that we need to utilize as kind of tools
as we go through life.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Mark why are eclips is so important?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Because this is one of the most phenomenal things. I'm
sure that astronomers have said this to you and other astrologers,
what are the odds? And I keep thinking I studied
a lot with statistics and mathematics because before the computers
have come out.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And the last forty years when I did somebody's chart.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Okay, if somebody contacts me, because I've just added a
new thirty minute consultation for those people who don't want
to do an hour if they're interested in reading. The
thing is is that forty years ago, all of us
doing astrology, and if you go back fifty years, one
hundred years, a couple hundred years, it took several hours
to construct a chart and you needed to know mathematics.
(11:24):
You can't just like look up in the heavens or
jut down things. It was a rigorous mathematical kind of
work to make sure the chart you're looking at was correct. Okay,
So the fundamental kind of a thing is all of
this is very powerful. The moon has an extraordinary influence
and I think that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know, I dare say the following that sun sign.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Astrology has become popular because it's easier to know your
sun sign, whereas the moon you have to look up
or you have to go to an astrologer in order
to figure out where your moon is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Would you call astrology a science, mark.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's never going to be an empirical science.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
However, just like you know you have Glynnis, mccammis, you
know that the numerology lady, and sorry McCants. You have
Glynnis and you know she's right there with the different
numbers and so on. And astrology basically is mathematics, just
like numerology is what I would say is, well, the
(12:24):
depth of numerology also goes way beyond. Just like you
know when people will call the next hour, I can
only do so much in a you know, a short while.
And what happens, just like with a person like g
Linis with a full numerological work up, it's very vast. Well,
the same thing with astrology is that the difference with science. Okay,
(12:46):
the way I would put it is it's it's math. Okay,
So for instance, two plus two equals four to me
math or you know, numbers and arithmetic and multiplication and
basically geometry. That's because I love geometry in high school.
When so many of the people out there listening tonight,
(13:07):
they've had their charts done, they've looked at it. Maybe
they are astrologers and cells, and they see a circle
and they see different triangles and different patterns. So when
I fell in love with geometry in high school, years later,
when I didn't become doctor of the body and it
was more doctor of the psyche and astrology, there, I
was looking at these chart pattern with triangles and Patagoran
(13:29):
figures and so on, and so it's really like cosmic geometry,
and that's what I love about it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But it is I wouldn't call it a science.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I don't think anybody any I don't think any astrologer
would call it a science. Because the planet's never exactly
all returned to the same place. There's no starting all
over again. Everything is sort of influx.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Why does the alignment of planetary systems have such an
effect on us?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Well, okay, so let me be very because you're sort
of asking the same question the eclipse kind of situation
that is so remarkable at this stage of our evolution
it will change maybe millions of years. Is that the
Sun is approximately four hundred times bigger than the moon, Okay,
but the moon is four hundred times closer to us.
(14:19):
So then every so often, when the exact alignments are correct,
our moon completely blocks out the Sun. And that's what
we call total solar eclipse. And we also have the
situation which happens every so often where the Moon gets
eclipsed because the Earth is exactly between the Sun and
the moon. It's the fact that the Sun is four
hundred times further away and the Moon is four hundred
(14:43):
times closer. And if we didn't have those numbers, you see,
if the moon was much closer. And that's why we
don't always get an exact total lunar eclipse or total
solar eclips because the Moon is not always at the
same distance from us. It can be as far as
about two hundred and thirty five thousand miles or as
close as two hundred and fifty miles fifteen thousand miles.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's what's called perige and apogee how.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Close the Moon is to us, and if it's not
at the right distance, we don't get a total eclipse.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's fascinating how many astrologers are there on the United
States end.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, look, the thing is when I when I got
into this while back, and I had so many great teachers.
They were getting older, and you know, I it's like
what we talk about on the shoulders of giants, you know,
I have just so many teachers. I learned in that
first year two years, and I keep on learning. I
keep opening in the books. But with the computers, you know,
(15:42):
and the online universe, and the ease of being able
to create charts. Now, you know, somebody says, okay, a monthday, year,
exact time, exact place you have your computer open, astrologer
looks at a chart.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know the problem?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think you know thousands of astrologers many, there are
always a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
There were always a good number of astrologers.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But to be really good and to be really sort
of out there, you needed to sort of have all
your ducks in a row and study a lot, and
learn from a lot of great teachers, and have a
lot of good scientific mathematical books that you could utilize.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Urrein a Neptune pluto. They're all important, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, yeah, and a lot of folks out there.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I mean, just like listening to you and with listening
to me tonight. So many people are on the different
social media and all these social media places now depending
on you know, what timelines or whatever you're looking for.
If you somebody wants astrology, they want numerology, they want metaphysics,
you know, those kind of things, then you'll get an
(16:49):
inundation of all kinds of things that are happening. I
don't really know what the numbers are. It is kind
of intimidating. When I started walking a Planet Earth, which
no longer exists, but the thing is, my cosmic calendar
has existed, and we're about to celebrate forty four years.
Walk Complanet Earth was the newspaper in the magazine, we
(17:11):
had thousands of readers and lots of astrologers. But about
five years into my starting Walcmplanet Earth in the eighties,
along came the Mountain Astrologer and they sort of like
they this is what they did. I mean, they copied
a lot of what are doing to their own credit,
you know, and did very well, and I think they
the magazine just ended its run, but they're being bought
(17:34):
by like what's called the astrological organization in England. So
any of you who were into the Mountain astrologer, I
think it's getting resurrected, you know. So there are lots
of astrologers in different forms out there. I don't really
know the numbers, but it's pretty intimidating.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
For our horoscope is the same as astrological charts.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean it's another term. The horoscope, you know,
is or goes back in time. And just like Monday,
mundane sort of was a word that represents the world
sort of, you know, That's what that term was. And
then as certain words start changing, now it's like hum,
like you said, ho hum.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So I refer to.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
More of my work about eclipses and new moons and
full moons and commets and oaths of office of presidents
or world events, you know, things about like nuclear issues
and today there was an agreement being signed about minerals
with Ukraine everything. You know, these are the kind of
things that the so called mundane or earth or world astrologer.
(18:40):
So I would I call myself an earth mundane astrologer
when I wear that hat and I'm not doing consultations
for people.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Welcome Back George Dory along with astrologer Mark Lerner,
began his astrological studies in New York City back in
June of nineteen seventy two, on the same day that
he began taking a chemistry class at Columbia University to
prepare for a pre med training and entry into medical
school instead of becoming a physician like his father and
(00:25):
uncle wanted him to, a few months later, he decided
to become a professional astrologer and he's been doing it
ever since. He's got several books out, including Welcome the
Planet Earth, and also his website is Great Bear Enterprises
dot com linked up at coastocostdam dot com. Mister Lerner,
welcome back, my friend. Always a treat to have you
(00:46):
on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
That's very kind of you to say, George. Great to
be back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And you are going to be with me at a
live event coming up pretty soon in the Dolls in Oregon.
I'm looking forward it in three weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Right, it's almost here. Exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm gonna have some fun. You could do some readings
from the audience and stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
If you force me to do it, will probably force you.
Tell how did you get interested in astrology?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Well, we've shared before, but on that that day in
the summer, it's really fifty three years ago, believe it
or not, feel like a spring chicken.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Oh my god, I think I get younger as I
get older.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Here astrology sort of keeps me on the edge of
things because there's so much happening, you know, with astronomy,
James Webb, telescope, watching people like Mitio Kaku, you know
what I mean, all these amazing programs that you bring
to the world, and just everything that's happening. But on
that particular day when I thought i'll probably this is
(01:54):
after college and I graduated and thinking I guess I
should be a doctor.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I was on my way home.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
This is back in Queens, New York, and I went
into a bookstore and I found and I've shared this
before with you, I saw a book called Astrology the
Space Age Science, and I just simply opened it and
in the store. And what was interesting was the author,
as I was skimming through it, said that these great
(02:21):
astronomers people with looking at the heavens, particularly Copernicus and
fifteen hundreds, and then Johannes Kapler, Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton.
They weren't just astronomers looking into the heavens and giving us,
you know, kind of the new world of what was
out there and outer space and the Solar system. They
(02:41):
were practicing astrologers. But what happened was when the biographer
started writing about these people, they pretty much focused on
all their discoveries. For instance, Galileo discovery moons of Jupiter,
Sir Isaac Newton with all the different laws, and Copernicus
saying the Sun is at the center of the Solar system,
it's not the Earth, and so kind of to validate
(03:03):
all that, the biographers said, well, each of them had
one little superstition.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They were believers in astrology.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
So in a way, what happened was these biographers, probably
due to the Church and the power of the Church,
didn't want to go in that particular territory, and they
also didn't understand how astrology really worked. But these people
were astrologers. I bought that book and that sort of
changed everything.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You deal a lot with what you call earth astrology
or mundane astrology, and unlike the word mundane it's not
whole home. This is real important is what is mundane astrology?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, it's astounding, George.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
We talked about this before.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
When I got into all of this part of my
fascination from being I know you've always mentioned my going
to Michigan State University because your sister went there, and
when I did go to that school. I getting into
this was back in the late sixties, believe it or not,
in the seventies, So I was studying all kinds of.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
World events.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I mean, I was really into politics, Polisci, studying about China, Russia,
you know, what was going on in the world at
that time, when Nixon was present, things like that, and
I was learning all about the world. And when I
got into astrology, I realized that it isn't just which
I have done thousands of readings for people into what
(04:30):
we call individual charting, but that you could also do
the charts for say the moment that a president takes
the oath of office, or when the Titanic sank, you know,
or we go to the moon, or you start a
business or anything like that. So every single event, aside
from all of our lives that begin at our first
moment of breath. Any event in the world can be
(04:54):
seen as the beginning.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Of something, and that's that's what astrology is all about.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
And one other little thing, there's been a couple of
astronomers who've taken me to task, and maybe other people
have been on the show who do astrology. Well, they'll say, well,
how can these people believe in the pseudoscience? Because Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto,
they can't affect us and the astronomers are correct. So
the way that astrology works is through synchronicity. So Carl Jung,
(05:22):
the Swiss psychotherapist who actually got into astrology, among many
other things like I'm sure you've had people on right
about Carl Jung, about UFOs, about Mandalas, about East West
and all these incredible things that Carl Jung was into,
he also wound up getting into astrology. He studied the
marriage charts of many individuals because he was intrigued to
(05:44):
kind of understand all this.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So he gave us an idea.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So, and I've shared this before where he said, whatever
happens at a moment of time has the qualities of
that moment of time, and this is really how astrology works. Okay,
so a lot of people think it's a pseudoscience. If
you're into science and think, well, astrology can't work. And
if you're into religion, you know you're a tool of
(06:10):
shall we say, the dark forces, or some kind of
magical thing that is not you know, appropriate or religious.
But the truth is is that it really falls into
kind of a synchronicity. So the sun and the moon,
what's called the rising sign, all the different planets. There's
a map that we each have when we're born, at
the moment of time that we start breathing, and that
(06:30):
is kind of map of our destiny.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
If you had ten people all born at the same time,
same day, same year, would they all end up the same?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, you ask the greatest questions, George, leave it at
this for a really long time, as you know. And
the way I put it is this, I am a
firm believer, and thankfully in my own life, and I
don't force this on my clients, but that I believe
we're all souls and spirits, that we have this other life,
and that we have our personalities, our physical bodies. In
(07:06):
some of the esoteric schools, they'll talk about your chakras,
what they often call the energy body, or the etheric body,
or people who do astral projection that talk about the
astral body, right, or that we have a mind body
and you can see all these pictures often if you
go online and through different educational schools and esoterics that
we're multifacet beings. So when you ask that question, right,
(07:28):
the difference is is that even though you can you know,
every day, for instance, there's a quarter of a million babies.
I've studied this through science and statistics that we all
have to think about this, at least at this point
in the world with about eight billion people, there's about
a quarter of a million other youths out there. They
but they don't are not necessarily born like you said,
(07:50):
the same minute at the same time. You know, then
we have the phenomenon twins, and in fact, in my family,
they're twins born two minutes apart. I might have been
a twin according to what my dad and my mom
found out about during my mom's pregnancy, which has always
kind of intrigued me and haunted me. You know, was
there another entity in my mom's womb during the process.
(08:13):
And I think there are a lot of those kind
of unusual parts of conception that we don't understand in
gestation of embryos, where may there may be a twin
and then the twin doesn't get born, things like that.
But the answer basically is because the soul has different
reincarnational patterns.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
If you can.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Accept that that even though you might have the same Moon,
the same Sun, planets in the same areas and you
look at everything, the destiny pattern doesn't have to be
the same one. Of the little point, George, because you
asked such a great question, is everything depends on how
well you utilize the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars,
and not everybody is able to utilize the planetary and
(08:55):
solar lunar archetypes on the highest level possible.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Fascinating. Indeed, now the moon has a lot to do
with the astrological predictions, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
You know the thing I've shared so often, and I've
shared it on this show, particularly when we do a
second hour.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
You know, I have this unique.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Way when you give me some dates, as we'll do
in the next hour, where when I got into all
this because you asked that question, I got that first
book Astrology, the Space Age Science, and then I got
a couple other books, I learned about the different sun
signs that were each born during approximately a thirty daytime period.
If you're a son in Leo, you have a certain
(09:34):
sequence you know somewhere between July might be July twenty
third and August twenty second of a given year, and
your sun signed Leo.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
But during that.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Time, the moon, which is so much closer to us
only a quarter of a million miles, changes by sign
every two to two and a half days. So the
moon is much more of our personality, our instincts, our moods,
our feelings, and if you accept you cornation as I do.
Having studied that for as long as I've done this
through many teachers and schooling and so on, I believe
(10:08):
very much the moon sign and its placements in the
chart are amazing key to kind of who we've been before.
And it's almost like, think of a lot of people
carry you know, you carry a backpack or you carry
a briefcase when you go to work wherever you're traveling.
It's kind of like the moon has all of these
energies that are part of our instincts, our moods, and
(10:29):
our feelings and our memory patterns.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Genetically speaking, so to speak, ancestry.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Wise, that we need to utilize as kind of tools
as we go through life.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Mark why are eclips is so important?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Because this is one of the most phenomenal things. I'm
sure that astronomers have said this to you and other astrologers,
what are the odds? And I keep thinking I studied
a lot with statistics and mathematics because before the computers
have come out.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
And the last forty years when I did somebody's chart.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Okay, if somebody contacts me, because I've just added a
new thirty minute consultation for those people who don't want
to do an hour if they're interested in reading. The
thing is is that forty years ago, all of us
doing astrology, and if you go back fifty years, one
hundred years, a couple hundred years, it took several hours
to construct a chart and you needed to know mathematics.
(11:24):
You can't just like look up in the heavens or
jut down things. It was a rigorous mathematical kind of
work to make sure the chart you're looking at was correct. Okay,
So the fundamental kind of a thing is all of
this is very powerful. The moon has an extraordinary influence
and I think that.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know, I dare say the following that sun sign.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Astrology has become popular because it's easier to know your
sun sign, whereas the moon you have to look up
or you have to go to an astrologer in order
to figure out where your moon is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Would you call astrology a science, mark.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's never going to be an empirical science.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
However, just like you know you have Glynnis, mccammis, you
know that the numerology lady, and sorry McCants. You have
Glynnis and you know she's right there with the different
numbers and so on. And astrology basically is mathematics, just
like numerology is what I would say is, well, the
(12:24):
depth of numerology also goes way beyond. Just like you
know when people will call the next hour, I can
only do so much in a you know, a short while.
And what happens, just like with a person like g
Linis with a full numerological work up, it's very vast. Well,
the same thing with astrology is that the difference with science. Okay,
(12:46):
the way I would put it is it's it's math. Okay,
So for instance, two plus two equals four to me
math or you know, numbers and arithmetic and multiplication and
basically geometry. That's because I love geometry in high school.
When so many of the people out there listening tonight,
(13:07):
they've had their charts done, they've looked at it. Maybe
they are astrologers and cells, and they see a circle
and they see different triangles and different patterns. So when
I fell in love with geometry in high school, years later,
when I didn't become doctor of the body and it
was more doctor of the psyche and astrology, there, I
was looking at these chart pattern with triangles and Patagoran
(13:29):
figures and so on, and so it's really like cosmic geometry,
and that's what I love about it.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But it is I wouldn't call it a science.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I don't think anybody any I don't think any astrologer
would call it a science. Because the planet's never exactly
all returned to the same place. There's no starting all
over again. Everything is sort of influx.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Why does the alignment of planetary systems have such an
effect on us?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Well, okay, so let me be very because you're sort
of asking the same question the eclipse kind of situation
that is so remarkable at this stage of our evolution
it will change maybe millions of years. Is that the
Sun is approximately four hundred times bigger than the moon, Okay,
but the moon is four hundred times closer to us.
(14:19):
So then every so often, when the exact alignments are correct,
our moon completely blocks out the Sun. And that's what
we call total solar eclipse. And we also have the
situation which happens every so often where the Moon gets
eclipsed because the Earth is exactly between the Sun and
the moon. It's the fact that the Sun is four
hundred times further away and the Moon is four hundred
(14:43):
times closer. And if we didn't have those numbers, you see,
if the moon was much closer. And that's why we
don't always get an exact total lunar eclipse or total
solar eclips because the Moon is not always at the
same distance from us. It can be as far as
about two hundred and thirty five thousand miles or as
close as two hundred and fifty miles fifteen thousand miles.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's what's called perige and apogee how.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Close the Moon is to us, and if it's not
at the right distance, we don't get a total eclipse.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's fascinating how many astrologers are there on the United
States end.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Well, look, the thing is when I when I got
into this while back, and I had so many great teachers.
They were getting older, and you know, I it's like
what we talk about on the shoulders of giants, you know,
I have just so many teachers. I learned in that
first year two years, and I keep on learning. I
keep opening in the books. But with the computers, you know,
(15:42):
and the online universe, and the ease of being able
to create charts. Now, you know, somebody says, okay, a monthday, year,
exact time, exact place you have your computer open, astrologer
looks at a chart.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
You know the problem?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think you know thousands of astrologers many, there are
always a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
There were always a good number of astrologers.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But to be really good and to be really sort
of out there, you needed to sort of have all
your ducks in a row and study a lot, and
learn from a lot of great teachers, and have a
lot of good scientific mathematical books that you could utilize.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Urrein a Neptune pluto. They're all important, aren't they.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, yeah, and a lot of folks out there.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
I mean, just like listening to you and with listening
to me tonight. So many people are on the different
social media and all these social media places now depending
on you know, what timelines or whatever you're looking for.
If you somebody wants astrology, they want numerology, they want metaphysics,
you know, those kind of things, then you'll get an
(16:49):
inundation of all kinds of things that are happening. I
don't really know what the numbers are. It is kind
of intimidating. When I started walking a Planet Earth, which
no longer exists, but the thing is, my cosmic calendar
has existed, and we're about to celebrate forty four years.
Walk Complanet Earth was the newspaper in the magazine, we
(17:11):
had thousands of readers and lots of astrologers. But about
five years into my starting Walcmplanet Earth in the eighties,
along came the Mountain Astrologer and they sort of like
they this is what they did. I mean, they copied
a lot of what are doing to their own credit,
you know, and did very well, and I think they
the magazine just ended its run, but they're being bought
(17:34):
by like what's called the astrological organization in England. So
any of you who were into the Mountain astrologer, I
think it's getting resurrected, you know. So there are lots
of astrologers in different forms out there. I don't really
know the numbers, but it's pretty intimidating.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
For our horoscope is the same as astrological charts.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean it's another term. The horoscope, you know,
is or goes back in time. And just like Monday,
mundane sort of was a word that represents the world
sort of, you know, That's what that term was. And
then as certain words start changing, now it's like hum,
like you said, ho hum.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
So I refer to.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
More of my work about eclipses and new moons and
full moons and commets and oaths of office of presidents
or world events, you know, things about like nuclear issues
and today there was an agreement being signed about minerals
with Ukraine everything. You know, these are the kind of
things that the so called mundane or earth or world astrologer.
(18:40):
So I would I call myself an earth mundane astrologer
when I wear that hat and I'm not doing consultations
for people.
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