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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back George Norri with you, William she and
with us. Currently working as a telemetry technician. WILLIAMS. Shean
is a writer and the host of a popular podcast
called Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. He studied oriental medicine
and massage therapy in many forms. Avid Fisherman birdwatcher whose
interests were stirred in Bigfoot at a young age. To
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date that he has a series of thirty nine books
and audiobooks, including his latest seven book Regional series, just completed. William,
welcome back to the program you're on with my colleague
Richard Saratt a few months ago.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yes, awesome, awesome to be with you, George. It was
a pleasure And Richard is just a delight to be with.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Great guy. He really is based up there in Toronto, Canada,
our Canadian neighbor.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, and he's always plugging the Canadian rock band you know, he.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Sure is does big Does Bigfoot roam around Canada too?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Oh my god, Yes, I have one of the regional
books is strictly uh Canada and uh this stuff going
on up in fact, probably One of the first encounters
I ever received was out of Alberta, and there's plenty
of activity. There's activity all over the place, George. You know,
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we just don't hear about it, you know, And that's
that's part of the dilemma, right, you know, people are
seeing things, but they don't speak about it, you know.
You know, I'd say for every account that I hear of,
it's probably a thousand that I don't hear of. You know.
It's just it's just that way. People come out of
the closet once in a while and they tell you
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what they have to say, and uh as for the
rest of them, you know, Mum's the word.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
How did you get interested in bigfoot sightings, William?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, you know I got interested in Bigfoot with the
Patty film, you know, way back when I mean, I'm
gonna be I'm closing in on seventy now. And when
I first saw that, I just did it rang as
true to me. And then you know, with my medical training,
I have a degree as an occupational therapist and you know,
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we studied, amongst many other things, muscular activity in the
human body, the skeletal structure. And after I had finished
that and really got to thinking about the Patty film
again and looking at it. I mean, there was no
doubt in my mind that that creature was a living
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being that they photographed. Particularly in that day and time
with the technology and the cameras that were available, that
creature was legit. I mean, I had no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
George, what do you think Bigfoot is, William? We've heard
all kinds of theories that it could be extraterrestrial, dimensional, physical.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
What do you think it is?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, I think it's both. I think we're seeing a
flesh and blood creature and then we're actually seeing something
that is being mimicked, if I could use that word
by maybe some nefarious forces, satanic forces, even I don't know,
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but it seems to me that, uh, you know, as
far as flesh and blood creatures go. Years ago, George,
I worked for a major shipping company. I won't say
the name, but we wore brown uniforms, and one of
the guys that worked in the hub where I worked
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had gone into a taxidermy shop. Now we had a
carte blanche access to most of the places we delivered to.
In fact, one of the a portion of the route
I had when I finally got my own. Route was
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a major laboratory and you could just walk around. People
saw the guy in the brown uniform. You just walk in,
you had your packages, You went all over the place
where typically if you walked in you couldn't go there,
right And he walked into a taxidermy office that's still
near me to this day, and he had he told
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me this. He had walked up to the counter. The
radio was playing loud in the back room, and there
was a satellite swinging doors like a saloon type setup,
and he shouted out for the guy and there was
no answer, and then he saw the bathroom door was shut,
so he knew what was going on. So he had
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already stepped through these saloon type swinging doors and on
the table on his taxidermy table was the head of
a bigfoot with the juices like running out onto the
top of the table and a plastic sheet. So he
kind of felt like, well, I shouldn't be seeing this
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right now, and he stepped back out.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
When the guy came out, you know, they exchanged green
and say how you doing, man, I got a couple
of packages for you. He didn't make mention to the
guy at all about what he saw. And he's like, yeah,
what are you working on today? And he said, I'm
taking care.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Of a.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Critter for a client of mine.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, So.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
He had seen that thing, and when he told me
about it, I wasn't so much interested in big Foot
at that time, but I loved into my memory bank
that Cliffy had seen this thing, you know. And then
of course we went on further in my life. I
developed an interest in and started to really start to
gather information and whatnot, and of course the books and
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the podcast now and everything else, so it kind of
developed over time.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I was always, I always believe that Bigfoot was a
very docile animal. Then I saw the title of your book,
Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, and said, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
So what is that situation we you Well, the thing
is like, in my opinion, is Bigfoot going around tearing
people the shreds.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I'm not saying that at all. I'm simply repeating what
some have told me, you know, relatively their findings, what
they saw activity. There seems to be a violent nature
to some of these creature and others. You know, you
don't know unless you're attacked, right, If something walks by you,
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you say, oh, okay, it doesn't want anything to do
with me. But could it have changed in that moment
to something you don't want to be involved in. You know.
It's kind of like running across a bear, right. One
bear might just be walking by, and then suddenly that
same sal or boar decides to take a run at you,
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and now we're into something totally different. It reminds me
a lot of when I was young. I had a
couple of newspaper routes, and I knew like every dog
in the area, and there were always dogs that would
come out with the tail wagon like they knew you
and they wanted to pet them, And then there.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Were other dogs.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Every time that dog was near or out loose by
that house, it was coming out to rip a piece
to you.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, it wanted you.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It wanted you.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Of course. So I think the same thing is in
its simple as forms, is true with the Bigfoot. To me,
this is a this is an animal, and you know,
you have all kinds of dispositions to animals, and on
any given day, you know, uh, maybe it's having a
bad day, maybe it's got a toothache, maybe it's just
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miserable or as some type of issue anatomically or mentally.
You know, and you don't know, you don't know. But
if you if you're on the receiving the wrong end
of a Bigfoot that wants to get a piece of you,
I think you're in a bad way.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, you just brought up something kind of interesting as
well when you mentioned the bear. I don't think I've
heard a story of anybody finding a bear carcass in
the woods the same as big Bigfoot. So maybe that's
not unusual that you you don't find a body of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Well, I interviewed a fellow that came to me through
the podcast, probably at least two years ago, maybe three
years ago. He was Guide of the Year in Colorado twice.
He was working for thirty years on a ranch that
was located on the back of Pike's Peak that is.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
No longer there anymore.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And I won't get into that because maybe I shouldn't,
But thirty years he was back there, he was guiding.
It was a guide school and a ranch that was
taking people out hunting for big dollars. He had several
encounters himself over there, and one of the things he
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told me that was very interesting was that in all
of his years hunting, he had never found the carcass
of be saying now, a mountain lion, a bear, and
of course not a bigfoot. And I thought that was
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very interesting from somebody with such an extraordinary background, somebody
who spent they this ranch had control over like five
million acres of federal and public land. And if anybody,
in my opinion, would have been able to run across
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something out there, especially having had a bigfoot encounters while
being a guide out there, it would have been him. So,
you know, it's not it's not as people. You know,
when I talk to people at work and other people
in my life about and people know what I do.
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A lot of people who know me know what I do.
They were always kind of throwing jabs out there, a
poking fun like, well, how come nobody ever found one?
You know, Well, how come you don't know your shoelaces
are runtied? You know, maybe maybe people are looking and
they're looking in the wrong places, or you're just walking
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by it. I mean, what makes you think you're just
going to run across a creature in the woods in
some type of state of decay in the there's nine
million square miles in North America. Nine million square miles.
How much of that do you think people are actually
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walking through? A treading art? Not a lot, George. You
think about just dinosaurs. Nobody even knew dinosaurs existed until
one guy happened to see a bone hanging out of
a wall, you know, a sandstone or rock wall, and said, hey,
what is that? Uh? And then the quest began. Now
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I'm not comparing bigfoot dinosaurs, but there was no knowledge
of that at that time, and then suddenly there was
their knowledge. You know, I don't think that will ever
happen with Bigfoot. I believe these creatures are probably burying
their dead.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
They might be a little more sophisticated than we think
they are.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, And if you think about it, George, most creatures
that have hands and in particular, opposing thumbs, they were
given to them by God in the creation to be
able to manipulate and do things with them that a
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lot of other creatures, obviously we all know, cannot do.
And if they just had limited mental resources that were
a step or two above your average bear, as they say,
why not they seem to be to figure out? I mean,
you have crows. Crows can solve a seven piece puzzle,
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and you know, so who's to say this creature can't
figure things out? You know? For in my opinion, it
seems that most of these creatures are stumbled upon when
they're seen and or they don't know you're looking at them,
like they literally have come out of cover and you
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spy them from afar, or you know, you're going down
the highway, a cop is going down the highway and
something leaps across the dark street up in Washington. It's
a random event. They're generally not coming out. It seems
to me they get caught off guard, like a lot
of things get caught off guard, you know. So you know,
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it's hard to say. It's hard to say, but I
do believe they have some type of limited intelligence. And
it's all it's all speculations because there's no proof to
even what I'm saying. But we have opinions.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Right, how big do you think the Bigfoot community could
be across the United States?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
My guests, thousands. I think there's probably thousands of these
creatures out there. And if you think about what I
just said about nine million square miles in North America
and that includes Canada. Even if there was ten thousand,
twenty thousand, that is a speck in the bucket as
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far as the amount of area they could be in.
I had a fellow that had a big foot siding
out in the Pacific Northwest, and when I spoke to him,
he told me had forty five hundred acres of property. Yeah,
he had a ranch that was forty five hundred acres
And I said, holy smoked, and he said, that's nothing.
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My neighbor has twenty thousand acres. Wow. So his he
had a friend that was kind of like a wise
guy with them, and he was talking to him about
his bigfoot side. And this was way before he shared
it with me. And he's tooken his friend about bigfoot
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and he's poke in front of him and he said,
let me ask you something. Have you ever seen a bear?
And he said no. And he said, do you know
it's estimated that there were over six hundred bear just
in our district here and you've never seen one. So
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you know, first of all, I always say people are
seeing something because they're looking. So I'm an observer of
the heavens and the earth. I'm looking at the surface
of water, for bad action. When I'm fishing, I'm looking
at currents, I'm looking at stars, constellations, identifying airplanes, bird watching.
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I mean, I am just somebody who's looking. But there's
a lot of people, especially today, George, with the walking
around and U with cell phones and whatnot, they're not
looking at anything. There could be something flying over their heads. Uh,
and they wouldn't even.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Know it, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So it's it's that way that not everybody is out
there looking. Who's going to see something? Something can walk
right by them and they're completely unaware of it. You know.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I saw a guy looking at his cell phone, William,
and he smacked right into a telephone pool.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, somebody told me. In Japan they are putting like
wait and walk on the curb because so many people
are walking with their heads down. They were walking into traffic.
So they're putting some type of illumination on the curbing
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or where the sidewalk ends to cut your eyes, you know,
before you step falk pick the oncoming draffiicuh. But that's
what really neither hear nor there. The fact is that
people see something because they're looking, you know. And I
talk to people about paying attention to your feelings. I
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believe that we were given by God the senses for
a reason, and one of those senses is when you
feel something's not right and you're out in the woods
or wherever you are, you get that sensation of like warning,
pay attention. And because people are so inundated with noise
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and visual effects these days and whatnot, I think a
lot of that has gone by the wayside, and your
average human being. Now, when I talk to other people
who live in the woods, who are woodland people and
hunters and fishermen and whatnot, they understand exactly what I'm
talking about because they are in tune with that and
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they get that warning and they pay attention to it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Have you had any stories that Bigfoot would show emotion?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Not as far as I'm concerned, though, just feats of
physical strength that are off the chart. For instance, one
fella had reported to me a number of years ago
that he had built a He took a large floor freezer,
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like an old frigidare or something, you know, these big
ones like you might put out your garage and your shed,
and he had he was using it as a venison locker,
and he went outside one day and he saw that
the handle had been messed with and some of his
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venison was taken out, so he got kind of ticked off,
and he put a latch on it, bolted it through
with carriage bolts which had those flat rounded heads on him,
and the nuts were on the inside of the freezer,
and then he put a master lock on it. So
now he's got this venison locker all hinge up height,
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and something went in there and ripped ripped the lock
and the hinge off the locker or the treezer chests
and emptied it out.
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