October 20, 2025 • 17 mins
Guest Host Richard Syrett and Author/Psychotherapist Linda Yael Schiller discuss reincarnation, epigenetics, dreams and how dreams help you feel connected to your ancestors.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ancestral Dreaming heal generational wounds through dream work. That's the
brand new one from Linda Yaiel Schiller, a luminary and
dreamwork and trauma healing. I'm not a I don't subscribe
to reincarnation. It doesn't happen to be part of my
faith tradition. However, after doing shows like this for many,
(00:25):
many years, the evidence I have to admit is very compelling.
So I'm conflicted by it. And I've personally witnessed past
life regression sessions where again, these people that are under
hypnosis seem to be experiencing real emotions from a past life.
(00:52):
I'm wondering if epigenetics or cellular memory may explain the
authenticity of their experience. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think absolutely, I think you're absolutely on the right track. Again,
as we mentioned before, none of us know for sure
exactly what happens after our body dies and where our
solar spirit goes. And it stands to reason to me
that reincarnation is a possibility for sure, and it doesn't
(01:31):
matter whether we quote unquote believe in it or not.
There are a lot of people who do all over
the world, and there are two ways that we can
get these visits from our ancestors. One is that the
spirit or soul of our ancestor comes through either in
a dream or in what I call a dream adjacent state,
(01:51):
which is that time when you're just falling asleep but
not quite asleep yet, or you're just waking up but
not clearly to wake yet that you can call the
hypnopompic and hypnogogic zones. Those are our dream states as well,
or or in our waking life through dream agation states
such as what you're saying, trance or hypnotherapy or deja
(02:16):
vu or synchronicities. So that's one thing, and then the
other piece that you're talking about, the reincarnation. I just
don't discount things that I can't prove one way or
the other. And if it feels real and allows you
to have a connection, to have a healing forwards and
(02:37):
backwards in time, my response is simply, of course it
could be true. Why not? There are many ways that
people can connect across time and space. Because we used
to think before quantum physics right that time was linear,
and now we know from mind stein on that time
(02:58):
actually isn't linear circular. So as we think about that
truth in quantum physics, the time is actually circular and
not linear. It makes the possibility of reincarnation in my
mind at leaf at least a lot more plausible and possible.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I just wanted to explore this epigenetics a little bit further.
I am fascinated by my family history. I feel such
gratitude to my ancestors, even those that I don't I
no longer know their names. You know, they always say
you die twice. You die your physical death and then
(03:38):
when people forget your name, that's the second death. And
I have, you know, great great great great great great
great grandparents. I don't know their names, but I feel
such gratitude towards them because I know what they went
through for me to be here right now. And I
find this idea of epigenetics that all of their experiences,
their joys, they're so rows. Their trauma is you know,
(04:05):
changed their genes without changing their DNA, but it got
passed down to me five six, seven, eight generations later,
so I am my ancestors even with the trauma. I
find that very comforting.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, it is comforting. I think that sense of we're
not alone and that death isn't even the end. It's
so helpful if people have created a genogram, which is
a family tree. And I always recommend that. I learned
(04:44):
how to do that years and years ago when I
was taking a family therapy course in Social Works school,
and I wouldn't have done it had it not been
for that class. So I had to go home and
ask my parents, who were alive still at the time,
about my family history, and I learned things that I
never would have known. And I really recommend for everyone
(05:05):
make a family tree, make a genogram. See who's who,
Where do you come from? What's the story of your past,
of your life for better for worse, for richer for poor,
sort of like you know when you get married, because
we do get these gifts from our ancestors, we do
(05:26):
get these blessings. And I'm so delighted to talk with
you and hear about your sense of appreciation because that
keeps their legacy alive. And then when we tell our
children about their grandparents and great grandparents and great great grandparents,
we have a sense of not being alone in the world,
(05:49):
of having a continuity of life and of consciousness, and
when we have relatives from the past who suffer, when
we go back in time, when we remember them with compassion,
with care. And then in the book, I have a
variety of different exercises that we can do to help
(06:12):
us energetically send back healing to those in our past
who may still be suffering. We actually get to make
a difference in their lives and then pass on the
healing message rather than the trauma message to our descendants.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I want to explore that a little bit further in
a moment, but first I want you to tell us
about your borsched dream and how it connected you to
your Ukrainian roots.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, that's great, That's one of my favorite stories. So
I'm a member of an organization called IASD, which is
the International Association for the Study of Dreams. Big shout
out here is an amazingly wonderful organization from people literally
all over the world from all ways you can imagine
connecting with your dream from the scientific research perspective, through
(07:04):
the therapeutic perspective, through art, through embodied movement, through spirituality,
and just general people who are just in dreamwork. So
asd dot org you can go online and join up.
Our next conference is going to be in June in Exceland, Oregon.
So anyway, there's a gentleman whose name is Jose who
(07:25):
is a member of that organization, who some years ago
was an American Aid volunteer in the Ukraine, and he
was working with the Ukrainian people to help them work
through and heal from the trauma of the war. And
he came across my previous book which is called Pts
(07:47):
Dreams and the subtitle is Healing using Dreamwork to heal
nightmares from trauma. So he was using some methods ribed
in my book to help the Ukrainians who were in
the middle would still are for that matter, in the
middle of the war. And he contacted me and let
(08:10):
me know that he was doing this, and we had
this lovely sort of conversation for a couple of years.
I think off and on through the magic of Messenger
and Zoom occasionally. And what made this particularly special one
is that I felt honored to be a part in
some way of helping people, even though I didn't know
(08:32):
them and they were on the other side of the world,
to help them in some way in their healing work.
What made it. Particularly point in for me is that
my grandfather on my mom's side was born in Kiev
and his family had to escape from what was I
don't know if it was then Ukraine or Russia because
(08:52):
it keeps changing hands, but they had to escape pegrums
back the beginning of the nineteenth century. So they had
a flee from this country where they were being persecuted,
and there was something that felt like full circle. For me,
it felt so right that now, several generations later, I'm
actually participating in helping the people that my ancestors once
(09:16):
had to flee from. So it felt like a beautiful
sort of full circle healing potential there. So that's kind
of the background of the dream. So then somewhere in
the middle of all this, I had this dream that
you mentioned about Borshed and Borshed is an Eastern European
(09:39):
Ukrainian Russian beat soup. It's a sort of a yummy,
rich peasant soup. Love it, love it, I know I
do too. I like it with the Usually you eat
it with sour cream, but you can also eat it
with yogurt, and you can eat hot, you can eat
it cold. Anyways, it's very delicious, so here's the dream.
I had this while I'm in contact with my friend
(10:01):
Jose who's using my book over there. So here's the dream.
In the dream, I'm in charge of teaching some students
how to make borshed, but I first have to learn
from a chef, and the chef is teaching me his recipe,
and he also says, oh, we need this machine called
a shredder, and let me get you the shredder and
(10:22):
then you can make the borsched better. So I learn
how to make it. I go back to my students
and they have not succeeded in figuring out how to
do it, and I said, well, you know, we have
to start over because we didn't have the shredder. So
we're going to start over with the shredder and then
we'll have good borshed. And that was the dream. That
was the whole thing. So when I went up, I
(10:44):
didn't know all the layers of the meaning of the dream,
but I knew it had something to do with my
grandfathers and the Ukraine because that's where my association Deborsched
came from. So when we do dream work, there's a
certain amount of dream work we can do on our own,
but it's usually extremely useful to work with at least
(11:05):
to one other person, if not a group of people
in a dream group, because trying to unpack and get
all the layers of meaning of our own dream is
kind of like trying to see the back of your
own head without a mirror or with two mirrors. Really
you you just can't see it very well. So I
did a bunch of work on my own, and then
I talked with my friend Julie and she helped me
see some new layers. So here's what I discovered as
(11:28):
I peeled back the layers of meaning about this dream,
about this Poores dream. One is it's connected with my grandfather,
It's connected with my family history. It's connected with the Ukraine.
That was obvious on one layer. And then there were
two main images in the dream. And when we look
(11:49):
at what are sort of the what's called the central
image in a dreamween dream work. So for me, the
two central images were the beats that you need to
make the borsh and then this machine called a shredder.
So we ask ourselves what is an X In this case,
what is a beat? So my association beats are red,
(12:11):
they're a root vegetable. They grow in the ground and
you have to kind of work at to prepare them
before they're really very edible. You just don't eat a beat,
usually like straight out of the ground. So my associations
to beats were, okay, these have to do with roots.
(12:32):
These have to do with my roots. They grow in
the ground. What color are they? They're red, So this
has to do with blood roots. So for me, it
has to do with the literal ancestral blood roots of
my family in the Ukraine at the time, and they're nourishing,
(12:53):
they're healthy and the same color as our blood. So
there's some kind of blood connection with beats and roots
and bushed for me. So you have to also then
prepare the beats in order to make them edible. And
that brings me to the second image in the dream,
(13:14):
which was the shredder. And when we have a dream
that is kind of an unusual word and an unusual image,
we want to pay extra attention to it. So then
I say, oh, well, what's a shredder? Okay, So in
my dream it's this. It's sort of like a food processor,
I guess if you will, But it grinds up or
shreds the beats, and what happens after that is they
(13:36):
become more accessible and available and edible for us to
eat and become nourished by them. So in the dream,
this machine allows me to process and work with these
beat roots, these ancestral red blood roots, in a way
that can be nourishing for me. So that's one side
(13:59):
of the association to shredder. The other side is the
word shred itself, and to be shredded means to be
have ripped apart. It's painful, it hurts. We talk about
if we had a bad experience in a love relationship,
we say, oh my god, my heart feels shredded. So
(14:19):
that's the other side of the word shredded. My ancestors
were shredded by living in that country at that time
and they had to leave. So I had two associations
to that machine, that shredder. So at the end of
the dream, I go back to my students and I say, Okay,
we need to learn how to make this recipe properly
(14:42):
so that we can use the shredder in a positive way,
not to be torn apart, but to make something that
is nourishing to us and more accessible than it was
before and looking at the layers of that dream was
really the source of letting me say, I think I
have another book that needs to get written and it's
(15:04):
calling out to me. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Was that an ancestor reaching out to you and using metaphor?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Absolutely could be. It didn't feel specifically like that in
the dream. And actually, I really appreciate your question because
I've been talking about this story in the dream for
a while now and I got to give it to you.
You were the first person who asked me that specific question.
As you ask, and I have a felt sense of
(15:36):
resonating with it, I think, oh, of course, that that
chef must have been one of my ancestors teaching me
how to connect with my roots, with my blood roots,
with my beet roots, and my family legacy in a
way that I can pass that knowledge on to my
(15:58):
own children and my grandchildren, as well as to my students.
But it doesn't have to be our direct relatives. Some
people have kids, some people don't have kids. But in
any place in your life where you're a teacher or
a mentor or an helper, we have a legacy we're
passing on then to those we work with.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I guess that really also points to the importance of
keeping a dream journal. We don't all have dream groups
to work with that can you know, sort of help
us on, you know, unravel the metaphors and so forth.
But if you keep a journal, that's going to allow
you to capture those ancestral messages.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right. We all have had the experience when you wake
up and like, oh, I had a dream and you
get out of bed and poof, it's gone, right, because
dreams are kind of like wisps of smoke. You move
too quickly and they're they're just gone. So in order
to really capture and be able to work with our dreams,
we need to get them down and record them. So
I always recommend that people have a book, so I'm
(17:00):
kind of a dream journal that they keep next to
their bed, and as best as possible when you wake
whether it's in the morning or the middle of the night,
write it down because otherwise we either won't remember it
at all or we won't remember the details. And if
you're just not a writer, then it's okay to type
it into your device or record it into your phone.
(17:22):
But if you record it, I recommend that people then
transcribe it later because the act of writing it down
allows you to access more depth and detail than talking
about it into your phone.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
oneam Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot com
for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Ancestral Dreaming heal generational wounds through dream work. That's the
brand new one from Linda Yaiel Schiller, a luminary and
dreamwork and trauma healing. I'm not a I don't subscribe
to reincarnation. It doesn't happen to be part of my
faith tradition. However, after doing shows like this for many,
(00:25):
many years, the evidence I have to admit is very compelling.
So I'm conflicted by it. And I've personally witnessed past
life regression sessions where again, these people that are under
hypnosis seem to be experiencing real emotions from a past life.
(00:52):
I'm wondering if epigenetics or cellular memory may explain the
authenticity of their experience. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
I think absolutely, I think you're absolutely on the right track. Again,
as we mentioned before, none of us know for sure
exactly what happens after our body dies and where our
solar spirit goes. And it stands to reason to me
that reincarnation is a possibility for sure, and it doesn't
(01:31):
matter whether we quote unquote believe in it or not.
There are a lot of people who do all over
the world, and there are two ways that we can
get these visits from our ancestors. One is that the
spirit or soul of our ancestor comes through either in
a dream or in what I call a dream adjacent state,
(01:51):
which is that time when you're just falling asleep but
not quite asleep yet, or you're just waking up but
not clearly to wake yet that you can call the
hypnopompic and hypnogogic zones. Those are our dream states as well,
or or in our waking life through dream agation states
such as what you're saying, trance or hypnotherapy or deja
(02:16):
vu or synchronicities. So that's one thing, and then the
other piece that you're talking about, the reincarnation. I just
don't discount things that I can't prove one way or
the other. And if it feels real and allows you
to have a connection, to have a healing forwards and
(02:37):
backwards in time, my response is simply, of course it
could be true. Why not? There are many ways that
people can connect across time and space. Because we used
to think before quantum physics right that time was linear,
and now we know from mind stein on that time
(02:58):
actually isn't linear circular. So as we think about that
truth in quantum physics, the time is actually circular and
not linear. It makes the possibility of reincarnation in my
mind at leaf at least a lot more plausible and possible.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I just wanted to explore this epigenetics a little bit further.
I am fascinated by my family history. I feel such
gratitude to my ancestors, even those that I don't I
no longer know their names. You know, they always say
you die twice. You die your physical death and then
(03:38):
when people forget your name, that's the second death. And
I have, you know, great great great great great great
great grandparents. I don't know their names, but I feel
such gratitude towards them because I know what they went
through for me to be here right now. And I
find this idea of epigenetics that all of their experiences,
their joys, they're so rows. Their trauma is you know,
(04:05):
changed their genes without changing their DNA, but it got
passed down to me five six, seven, eight generations later,
so I am my ancestors even with the trauma. I
find that very comforting.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, it is comforting. I think that sense of we're
not alone and that death isn't even the end. It's
so helpful if people have created a genogram, which is
a family tree. And I always recommend that. I learned
(04:44):
how to do that years and years ago when I
was taking a family therapy course in Social Works school,
and I wouldn't have done it had it not been
for that class. So I had to go home and
ask my parents, who were alive still at the time,
about my family history, and I learned things that I
never would have known. And I really recommend for everyone
(05:05):
make a family tree, make a genogram. See who's who,
Where do you come from? What's the story of your past,
of your life for better for worse, for richer for poor,
sort of like you know when you get married, because
we do get these gifts from our ancestors, we do
(05:26):
get these blessings. And I'm so delighted to talk with
you and hear about your sense of appreciation because that
keeps their legacy alive. And then when we tell our
children about their grandparents and great grandparents and great great grandparents,
we have a sense of not being alone in the world,
(05:49):
of having a continuity of life and of consciousness, and
when we have relatives from the past who suffer, when
we go back in time, when we remember them with compassion,
with care. And then in the book, I have a
variety of different exercises that we can do to help
(06:12):
us energetically send back healing to those in our past
who may still be suffering. We actually get to make
a difference in their lives and then pass on the
healing message rather than the trauma message to our descendants.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I want to explore that a little bit further in
a moment, but first I want you to tell us
about your borsched dream and how it connected you to
your Ukrainian roots.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, that's great, That's one of my favorite stories. So
I'm a member of an organization called IASD, which is
the International Association for the Study of Dreams. Big shout
out here is an amazingly wonderful organization from people literally
all over the world from all ways you can imagine
connecting with your dream from the scientific research perspective, through
(07:04):
the therapeutic perspective, through art, through embodied movement, through spirituality,
and just general people who are just in dreamwork. So
asd dot org you can go online and join up.
Our next conference is going to be in June in Exceland, Oregon.
So anyway, there's a gentleman whose name is Jose who
(07:25):
is a member of that organization, who some years ago
was an American Aid volunteer in the Ukraine, and he
was working with the Ukrainian people to help them work
through and heal from the trauma of the war. And
he came across my previous book which is called Pts
(07:47):
Dreams and the subtitle is Healing using Dreamwork to heal
nightmares from trauma. So he was using some methods ribed
in my book to help the Ukrainians who were in
the middle would still are for that matter, in the
middle of the war. And he contacted me and let
(08:10):
me know that he was doing this, and we had
this lovely sort of conversation for a couple of years.
I think off and on through the magic of Messenger
and Zoom occasionally. And what made this particularly special one
is that I felt honored to be a part in
some way of helping people, even though I didn't know
(08:32):
them and they were on the other side of the world,
to help them in some way in their healing work.
What made it. Particularly point in for me is that
my grandfather on my mom's side was born in Kiev
and his family had to escape from what was I
don't know if it was then Ukraine or Russia because
(08:52):
it keeps changing hands, but they had to escape pegrums
back the beginning of the nineteenth century. So they had
a flee from this country where they were being persecuted,
and there was something that felt like full circle. For me,
it felt so right that now, several generations later, I'm
actually participating in helping the people that my ancestors once
(09:16):
had to flee from. So it felt like a beautiful
sort of full circle healing potential there. So that's kind
of the background of the dream. So then somewhere in
the middle of all this, I had this dream that
you mentioned about Borshed and Borshed is an Eastern European
(09:39):
Ukrainian Russian beat soup. It's a sort of a yummy,
rich peasant soup. Love it, love it, I know I
do too. I like it with the Usually you eat
it with sour cream, but you can also eat it
with yogurt, and you can eat hot, you can eat
it cold. Anyways, it's very delicious, so here's the dream.
I had this while I'm in contact with my friend
(10:01):
Jose who's using my book over there. So here's the dream.
In the dream, I'm in charge of teaching some students
how to make borshed, but I first have to learn
from a chef, and the chef is teaching me his recipe,
and he also says, oh, we need this machine called
a shredder, and let me get you the shredder and
(10:22):
then you can make the borsched better. So I learn
how to make it. I go back to my students
and they have not succeeded in figuring out how to
do it, and I said, well, you know, we have
to start over because we didn't have the shredder. So
we're going to start over with the shredder and then
we'll have good borshed. And that was the dream. That
was the whole thing. So when I went up, I
(10:44):
didn't know all the layers of the meaning of the dream,
but I knew it had something to do with my
grandfathers and the Ukraine because that's where my association Deborsched
came from. So when we do dream work, there's a
certain amount of dream work we can do on our own,
but it's usually extremely useful to work with at least
(11:05):
to one other person, if not a group of people
in a dream group, because trying to unpack and get
all the layers of meaning of our own dream is
kind of like trying to see the back of your
own head without a mirror or with two mirrors. Really
you you just can't see it very well. So I
did a bunch of work on my own, and then
I talked with my friend Julie and she helped me
see some new layers. So here's what I discovered as
(11:28):
I peeled back the layers of meaning about this dream,
about this Poores dream. One is it's connected with my grandfather,
It's connected with my family history. It's connected with the Ukraine.
That was obvious on one layer. And then there were
two main images in the dream. And when we look
(11:49):
at what are sort of the what's called the central
image in a dreamween dream work. So for me, the
two central images were the beats that you need to
make the borsh and then this machine called a shredder.
So we ask ourselves what is an X In this case,
what is a beat? So my association beats are red,
(12:11):
they're a root vegetable. They grow in the ground and
you have to kind of work at to prepare them
before they're really very edible. You just don't eat a beat,
usually like straight out of the ground. So my associations
to beats were, okay, these have to do with roots.
(12:32):
These have to do with my roots. They grow in
the ground. What color are they? They're red, So this
has to do with blood roots. So for me, it
has to do with the literal ancestral blood roots of
my family in the Ukraine at the time, and they're nourishing,
(12:53):
they're healthy and the same color as our blood. So
there's some kind of blood connection with beats and roots
and bushed for me. So you have to also then
prepare the beats in order to make them edible. And
that brings me to the second image in the dream,
(13:14):
which was the shredder. And when we have a dream
that is kind of an unusual word and an unusual image,
we want to pay extra attention to it. So then
I say, oh, well, what's a shredder? Okay, So in
my dream it's this. It's sort of like a food processor,
I guess if you will, But it grinds up or
shreds the beats, and what happens after that is they
(13:36):
become more accessible and available and edible for us to
eat and become nourished by them. So in the dream,
this machine allows me to process and work with these
beat roots, these ancestral red blood roots, in a way
that can be nourishing for me. So that's one side
(13:59):
of the association to shredder. The other side is the
word shred itself, and to be shredded means to be
have ripped apart. It's painful, it hurts. We talk about
if we had a bad experience in a love relationship,
we say, oh my god, my heart feels shredded. So
(14:19):
that's the other side of the word shredded. My ancestors
were shredded by living in that country at that time
and they had to leave. So I had two associations
to that machine, that shredder. So at the end of
the dream, I go back to my students and I say, Okay,
we need to learn how to make this recipe properly
(14:42):
so that we can use the shredder in a positive way,
not to be torn apart, but to make something that
is nourishing to us and more accessible than it was
before and looking at the layers of that dream was
really the source of letting me say, I think I
have another book that needs to get written and it's
(15:04):
calling out to me. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Was that an ancestor reaching out to you and using metaphor?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Absolutely could be. It didn't feel specifically like that in
the dream. And actually, I really appreciate your question because
I've been talking about this story in the dream for
a while now and I got to give it to you.
You were the first person who asked me that specific question.
As you ask, and I have a felt sense of
(15:36):
resonating with it, I think, oh, of course, that that
chef must have been one of my ancestors teaching me
how to connect with my roots, with my blood roots,
with my beet roots, and my family legacy in a
way that I can pass that knowledge on to my
(15:58):
own children and my grandchildren, as well as to my students.
But it doesn't have to be our direct relatives. Some
people have kids, some people don't have kids. But in
any place in your life where you're a teacher or
a mentor or an helper, we have a legacy we're
passing on then to those we work with.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I guess that really also points to the importance of
keeping a dream journal. We don't all have dream groups
to work with that can you know, sort of help
us on, you know, unravel the metaphors and so forth.
But if you keep a journal, that's going to allow
you to capture those ancestral messages.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Right. We all have had the experience when you wake
up and like, oh, I had a dream and you
get out of bed and poof, it's gone, right, because
dreams are kind of like wisps of smoke. You move
too quickly and they're they're just gone. So in order
to really capture and be able to work with our dreams,
we need to get them down and record them. So
I always recommend that people have a book, so I'm
(17:00):
kind of a dream journal that they keep next to
their bed, and as best as possible when you wake
whether it's in the morning or the middle of the night,
write it down because otherwise we either won't remember it
at all or we won't remember the details. And if
you're just not a writer, then it's okay to type
it into your device or record it into your phone.
(17:22):
But if you record it, I recommend that people then
transcribe it later because the act of writing it down
allows you to access more depth and detail than talking
about it into your phone.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
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