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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal
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Joshua P.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Warren.
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your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of weird.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is Strange Things with Josha Warren.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I am JOSHUAFE Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing a brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more. On this edition of the show, A ghost
lifted him two feet into the air and he's not crazy.
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Plus new UFO dynamics.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
For over thirty years, I have interviewed.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Scientists, satanists, atheists, ministers, astronauts, porn stars, politicians, magicians, movie stars,
lots of everyday folks and as art Bell said, some
of the craziest people you'll ever meet.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I've done that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
For newspaper articles, for books, radio, TV, movies, you name it.
And when you do that for a long time, you
tend to develop what some might consider I think the
technical term is a BS detector. And I know that
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some of you listening might say, well, well, Josh, sometimes
you seem like you're kind of full of it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, so be it. If that's the case, then maybe
that's why I have such a good BS detector. But
I want to.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Share with you a recording of a man whom I
believe is credible and logical. And I say that because
I have known him personally for over certainly over fifteen years.
You know, back in the day, I used to try
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to do it all. I would go to live events
all over the country and the world and do speaking engagements,
and I would do the TV shows, and I would
do the movies and the radio. And I finally got
to a point where I said, Okay, this is too much.
I need to focus on one thing for a while,
and so I decided to focus on podcasting. So I
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don't do live engagements and TV stuff very often anymore.
I mean, it has to be a very very special occasion.
I do not offer myself up as a guest most
of the time. It's a very rare thing. I decided
to devote my time to podcasting and doing experiments and research.
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And you always want to stay true to your roots,
because if I just did nothing but start going on
shows as a paranormal expert all the time, and then
I would have nothing new to talk about. You have
to have spend more of your time innovating things, experimenting
and researching, and so I am devoting even more of
my life to that at this point, and I figured
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my outlet for that is this program as of right now.
So I don't do speaking engagements anymore, but I used
to do a lot of them, and I have done
many of them in Chicago, Illinois. And one of the
people who used to hire me for her conference is
Ursula Bielski, and she had a wonderful conference that she
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would do every year there in Chicago, and I was
at my first one there. I don't recall the exact year,
but I met a man named Ben Pavilon, and he
and I have stayed friends ever since. Ben is like me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He's a geek.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
He likes the technical stuff, the Tesla Cooi, the electrostatic generators.
He's got a very he's got a logical background. He
works in a in a high tech position for you know,
a serious company. I don't want to talk about that
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part of his life, but I mean he's he's a
real professional and just a guy who has a lot
of responsibility in his job and security clearance is that
kind of thing. And so over the years, whenever I've
been in Chicago, I would meet up with him. Or
turns out he comes out to Las Vegas once in
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a while to attend a conference, and so I try
to get together with him when I can when he
pops out here to Vegas. And just recently he came
out here. And you know the thing that the reason
that he was involved with all this stuff is because Ben,
even though he works at a very proactical field, he
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is the head of a group called Chicago ghost Hunters.
And as a matter of fact, if you're on Facebook,
you can just go and look up just do a
search for Chicago ghost Hunters and it'll come up the
Chicago ghost Hunters group. And he has been he's been
investigating the paranormal almost his whole life, many many decades.
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I won't give his age away, but you know, he's
not an old man, but he's certainly not a young man,
and he has a lot of stories to tell. And
so recently, you know, I've been trying to get out
about since I've recovered from this surgery, you know. And
so he happened to come into town, and Lauren and
I met up with him for an evening, had a
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very nice dinner. He was gracious bought us our dinner,
and then we decided we were going to go and
have a little fun gambling. But in the meantime, we
got into my car because Vegas could be rather aloud,
as you can imagine, and we got into my car
and I said.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Hey, you know what, we have a kind of a
quiet space inside the suv here.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Why don't I turn on this little audio recorder and
maybe just ask you about some of your experiences and
see what I can possibly play on the show. Maybe
you have something that the listeners would find intriguing. And
he said, yeah, absolutely, that sounds great, and so I
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turned on the recorder. It's not the greatest quality, I mean,
it is just literally the two of us sitting in
my SUV and we chatted for a while, and he
started telling me some about his background and various paranormal
experiences that he has had, and one in particular, of course,
which coming from him, is quite extraordinary, about a ghost
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lifting him off of his feet. So I said, look,
I have to play some of this on the show,
and that's what you are about to hear.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So I am now going to I'm going to start
playing this.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't have a lot that I recorded with him,
but I want you to understand that this is not
coming from a crazy person. Now, granted, we did have
a few drinks at dinner, so we might not be
speaking as sharply, our dictation might not be as fine
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as usual, but nonetheless, listen to some of these experiences
from Ben Pavlon of Chicago Ghost Hunters Group.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Ben, how did we meet each other?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
We met each other at the at Ursula Bielski's Ghost
conference back at the Fortage Theater when Lorraine Warren actually
happened to be there as well, presigning you and I
were happening to be standing by the bar, and we
started talking about Tesla coils.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Actually, well that makes sense, so why were you there.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I was there because.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I was running the Chicago ghost Hunters group, which was
a long time probably one of the oldest meetup groups
on the ghost hunting scene in Chicago, running from roughly
about two thousand and six all the way up to
twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
So good long run for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Ben.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What is your background that led you into paranormal investigation.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, my background actually started when I was a child
lived in a very haunted apartment that had like shadow people,
disembodied a disembodied hand that would disturb.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Me as a kid, and it was just it was
a lot of bad stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Going on there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And so my my goal of actually getting into the
paranormal investigation side was I wanted to face up to
my fears and understand it better and you know, try
and figure out what's actually going on. So I would
face my fears and get over it and try and
uh stand up to it because because at the time,
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when when I was a kid, I had these shadow
people that were actually uh going after I mean, these
were like not the kind that you usually see like
at other investigations, where you know they're just shadows of
spirits that you know might have been lingering around, you know,
that are harmless, not doing anything. These shadow people were
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they they were letting me know that they could do
anything they wanted me to do, and there's nothing I
could do about it. So I had a very intense fear,
and you know, I was very open to that, very
perceptive of all this unnatural activity. So, you know, being young,
you know, being a child, it was hard for me
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to understand what was going on. And you know, at
the time, my mom didn't believe me when I told
her what was happening. So now she does, but it
feels bad about not addressing the issue back then. But yeah,
that's basically what what got me into the paranormal field.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
All right, time for a break. When we come back,
you will hear Ben talk about some of the things
he's learned regarding the relationship between environmental energy and paranormal activity.
And if you're a paranormal investigator, you might even be
able to use some of this to well help enhance
your activity, or if you don't want that kind of activity,
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well maybe it'll be helpful to to inform you on
how to prevent it. And then of course we'll get
into this crazy experience that he had being physically attacked
by well a spirit. Hey, if you like this show,
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Speaker 2 (12:40):
Life more magical. Joshuapwarren dot com. I have Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Warren, and you are listening to Strange Things on the
iHeartRadio and Coast at Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and
I will be right back. Welcome back to Strange Things
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on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in
Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden
and every night is silver on Jiao Zoom. And now
let's get back into the stories from Ben Pavlon of
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Chicago Ghost Hunters Group.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then after that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I have some news to share with you about U
f O call them what you want, U f O
U a P technology that I'm pretty sure you have
not heard anywhere else. In fact, I can almost guarantee it,
all right, So let's get back to Ben.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
You know, a lot of the data have recorded over
the years of you know, many investigations. There's always a
correlation of uh, you know energy like you know, weather
conditions causing uh, you know, causing increased electromagnetic activity or
negative negative ions in the air, you know, intensifying that activity,
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or you know.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I we uh, we.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Conducted an investigat at Ashmore Estates back back you know,
way before Robin Terryo owned the place, back when Scott
owned it. We found his Jacob's ladder in the basement,
which was actually for a haunted house exhibit. He was
doing it, you know, for like a mad scientist lab.
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We flipped that thing on and that Jacob's ladder energized
the whole place and caused an insane amount of activity,
I mean, which was great proof to show that if
you if you introduce you know, artificial energy sources such
as Tesla coils or like the Jacob's ladder, or even
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like when you use a you know propane heater that
actually also helps generate you know, negative iron generation. Definitely
definitely seems to stoke up the activity of a place.
I think it's that it really seems like just from
just observation and everything, it seems like the uh they
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need the energy, that energy to be able to communicate
with this side of the fence. It's almost like it's
uh kind of like you know, helping bridge our world
into their world with that that that that electricity, much
like uh, you know the way uh Tesla even set
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himself when he accidentally electrocuted himself.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
He said he could see the future in.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The past at that moment when when that electricity course
through him. I think it, uh, I think it actually will.
I think it kind of bridges that gap between that
that ghostly uh or that dimension that they're they're they're
communicating from. I have to say, probably the most insane,
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craziest experience I ever had. I mean, I was at
the Mansfield Reformatory. We had been we'd been there all night,
and we had to go down the uh. We were
wrapping up the investigation and we're and I will say
we had a lot of got a lot of great EVPs,
and uh there was a lot of unusual activity, especially
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in this room that uh my co investigator didn't want
to go in, said he was scared. And we went
in there and there was a lot of unusual things
that happened in there. But this is I'm not going
to cover that because I want to get into what
actually happened to me. That was that was witnessed by
a lot of people and actually even gave me more
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respect for, you know, being very careful on the you know,
looking into these these places.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We were going down the UH.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
We were packing up, and I was actually kind of
apprehensive about going down this the stairwell of the UH
the central guard house that you have to that those
chairs take.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You down to the uh the main entrance to.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You know, where you where you can load load your
equipment back in your car. So we had packed the
equipment and I was talking to Mark, who was with me,
and Uh, I was like, do we really have to.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Go down those stairs? Can we go down that elevator?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's like now that elevators you know, takes you takes
you down to the area where we had the coffee
and pizza, And I was like, yeah, you're right, So
I put, I grabbed my equipment where we started walking
down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Mind you, the lights were.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Out at at that point, and uh, when I started
stepping down the stairs, I all of a sudden felt
my shoe coming off on my left foot, and I
thought at first, I must I must not have laced
up my boots, you know, tight enough. And I'm like, oh, well,
you know, bootle fall down the stairs, I'll be fine. However,
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when I started trying to step my foot down to uh,
you know, continue walking down, my foot wouldn't go down,
and all of a sudden I got lifted up, like
two feet up off the ground. I mean I had
my hands on the stereil banister, they were ripped off.
I was whipped around backwards and thrown backwards down the staircase.
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If it wasn't for the fact that I had that
I had unpacked my backpack, put a hoodie in there,
and had just had the equipment in a couple of bags,
that backpack actually patted me, and uh, my co investigator's daughter,
who happened to be a professional cheerleader, caught my shoulder
blade as I was flying down those backwards down the stairs.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
And when I when I uh.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
When I uh stood up upright, you know, I was
talking to the guy downstairs at that point. The guy
I should have mentioned that, the guide from U Mansfield,
he already flipped on the lights. He saw the same thing.
He saw me lifted up up there. You know, a
couple of people saw me. They were like, we saw
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you lifted up two feet off the ground and then
falling backwards. And he was saying he even told me,
he said he's seen other people had that get pushed
down those stairs as well.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And the crazy part too, was when I looked in.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The mirror, I had a bruise on my chin, like
somebody gave me an upper cut. And I just never
I have to say, that actually really shook me up.
I thought I was going to die. And I never
felt such energy. I didn't believe that they could manifest
that kind of energy to actually throw me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Back like that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Tell everybody how to learn more about you and your work,
or whatever else you'd like to say.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
At this point, the floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, if you want to join, I still have the
face group, the Facebook group Chicago ghost Hunters group, So
if you want to reach out, you know, just applying
to join. And you know, as long as you answer
the uh the questions that I have on the site,
which are very easy questions I answered, believe me, you
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can join and you're free to answer any questions.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The main goal of the Chicago ghost Hunters group is
all about you know, information exchange, you know, you know,
learning about how to conduct investigations the right way, you know,
doing proper research. And I'll even help, you know, guide
you to figuring out locations you can go to without
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having to you know, spend money on you know, paying
for a more notable site.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Thank you, Ben, And as you all can see, that
is the kind of thing. Those are the kinds of
things that Ben Pavlon and I talk about when we
get together. And so let me tell if you're in
the Chicago, Illinois area, then he's easy to find and
you should definitely look him up the Chicago ghost Hunters Group.
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But always interesting to get some dramatic stories from someone
who you know has a very practical mindset and a
technical logical background and all that. Well, here's something I
know Ben would appreciate. And I bet he has not
heard this yet, because you know, we've been talking about
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this relationship between electricity electromagnetism. You hear it all the time.
I mean, it's just a sort of a fundamental element
of the conversation that comes up when you get into
the paranormal and the relationship between all of that kind
of energy, that form of energy manifestation and what people
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often experience as the paranormal. And it's one thing to
envision it as something ghostly, you know, like some blue
coronal discharge, some plasma that's floating around, But it also
plays a big role when it comes to thinking about
how that some kind of alien technology. And I say
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that for lack of a better word, because when I
say aliens, I'm not necessarily talking about little green men
from another rock out there. They are most likely something
closer to inter dimensional beings or maybe a combination of both.
When we talk about them, and we talk about the
craft that we document flying around here, then we of
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course have to ask, how on earth do they seem
to defy the laws of physics that we find such
scientific comfort in. You know, scientists will sit there and
they'll argue till they're blue in the face about how
you can't beat the laws of physics they are fixed,
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and yet we have documents of these craft that do
just that.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well. A few days ago, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On YouTube and I saw a video on one of
my favorite channels. It's excellent if you're into scientific experiments
that are kind of explained as plainly as possible. It's
called the Action Lab. Four point ninety nine million subscribers
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right now. If that tells you what you think. The
Action Lab and the guy who does it. He put
out this video and it says scientists just found why
electrified drops don't splash. Now, I'd never heard about that before,
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and right off the bat, that should sound very interesting
to you or very boring, but I bet it will
be interesting to all of you when I come back
and explain how that this immediately turned on the light
bulb and my brain.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
When it comes to UFOs, I'm Joshua P. Warren.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back
after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things all
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the Art Radio and Coast a Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Warren and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Let me say this again.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The video at the action Lab channel there on YouTube
says scientists just found why electrified drops don't splash. And
basically they show a video in slow motion of a
drop of water hitting a surface like a mirror. And
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we're talking about a drop of water that's maybe been
dropped from a foot above the mirror. This is a
regular drop of water, and it's just like a rain drop.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You see it fall in slow motion.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It hits the mirror and it goes splash, just like
you've seen your whole life. But then they say, now,
look what happens if we electrify that drop of water,
if we give an electrical charge. And when they do that,
this time the drop of water falls on the same surface,
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but it doesn't go splash. It just spreads out. It's
almost like a non event. It's weird to see that happen.
You're expecting a drop of water to splash, and when
it just hits and just just goes flat and there's
no splash, it almost looks like it's not water anymore. Now,
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if you wonder about, like, what do you mean electrified
drop of water? I don't want to get too technical,
this is a podcast, but let me just put it
this way. Some of you know there are devices out there,
like let's say a Vandergraph machine, which is the big
silver ball that you could put your hands on and
it charges you with electricity and your hair stands on
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the end. That's an electrostatic generator. Or you have something
like a Whimshurst machine, which is another type of electrostatic generator.
It's the type of energy you get when you drag
your socks across the floor on a cold, dry night
and you touch the doorknob and bang, you get the shock.
That's what we're talking about. And so what they would
do is they would they did an experiment where they
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would just take a drop of falling water and have
it passed by an electrode on the way down, so
that that drop of water would take on a charge
either positive or negative. And that's it. And the very
fact that this drop of water has discharge means that
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when it hits the surface, there's no splash. Now that's interesting,
and they're already talking about like how this might apply
to new forms of spray painting or printing, like using
printer ink and s so that it doesn't get a splotchy.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't know, but for me, I mean almost as
soon as I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Saw this headline, I will WHOA. This may explain one
of the biggest mysteries that I've come across in UFO history,
and that is because I did a documentary which actually
what it's a short documentary. It's it's probably fifteen sixteen
minutes long. But I did this when I was living
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in Puerto Rico and it's about the UFOs that are
seen going well, part of it is about the UFOs
that are seeing going in and out of.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
The water in Puerto Rico. If you haven't watched this,
go to YouTube and.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Just search for my name Joshua pe Warren and then
search for oh UFOs not UFOs. Put the O at
the beginning Joshua P. Warren, Oh, you a new Discovery
and you'll find the documentary there. It won an award
at the fourteen Film Festival in England. And then let's
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see here or the UK. And then if you if
you have trouble finding it that way, go to my
website Joshua P. Warren dot com. You'll find a really
cool section called gallery of the strange. There's a lot
of stuff to check out there. There you'll see a
link that says oh UFO's Organic UFOs Report. If you
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click that, then you can not only watch the video,
but also get more in depth information.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
In that documentary, I presented one of the most amazing
pieces of footage that I've ever seen in my life.
When I was living in Puerto Rico, there was an
incident that occurred about maybe an hour north of where
I lived, in a town called Aguadilla, the northwestern corner
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of the Eye Island, and one evening there in twenty thirteen,
Homeland Security captured thermal footage of this UFO flying around
the airport and flying all around the coastline there, And
of course this was of great concern because it's around
an airport. And one of the remarkable things that people
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commented about was that whatever this UFO was, occasionally it
would dip into the ocean. It would dip into the
Atlantic Ocean, and it would travel under the water for
a while, and then it would come back out, and
then it would fly for a while, and then it
would dip back in, and eventually it was joined by
a second UFO and finally both of them disappear together
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into the water. Now this is about nine o'clock at night.
But everybody always said, well, it doesn't make any sense
because when these UFOs go into the water, there's no splash. Now,
these UFOs are traveling at a very high rate of speed,
and we know the laws of physics, right, so if
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these things are traveling and then they hit the water
at that speed, well there should be some kind of
a tremendous splash. Some people even use that as an
excuse to think that this footage is not legit. And
I'm here to tell you that I believe one hundred
percent that this footage is legit. And if you watch
my little documentary for free there, you'll see why. I
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believe that it's been studied by a lot of very
credible scientists who have come to the conclusion that this
is real stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It actually was leaked. I happened to know.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
The one of the guys related to the guy who
leaked it. It was one of his relatives who worked
there at the airport, but we won't get into that.
So I thought to myself, it never made sense to
me how that these UFOs could go into the water
without creating a splash. I was just as mystified as
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everybody else. But then when I saw this, I thought, wow, Okay,
now they are electrifying a drop of water and dropping
it on top of a solid surface like a video
excuse me, like a mirror. So okay, so you take
they have video here of this drop of water. Sorry,
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my brain's kind of all over the place. You got
video of this drop of water. It's falling and it's electrified,
and then it hits the solid object, this mirror, but
there's no splash. So I thought, well, would it have
the same effect if an electrified maybe a somewhat amorphous
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object hit the water instead of a solid object. So,
to simplify things, if an electrified drop of water will
not splash when it hits a mirror, will that electrified
drop of water also not splash if it hits an
uncharged pool of water. Because I'm talking about comparing the
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idea of something like this UFO going into the water.
Let's say the UFO is electrified and it somehow represents
this charged water droplet, and so when it goes down
and hits the surface of the water, the reason that
it doesn't splash is because that it's no different than
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how the drop of water doesn't splash when it hits
the mirror. But does that effect still work with water,
like when an uncharged pool of water i e. The
ocean act as act the same way that the mirror would.
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I hope that you're keeping up with this. To me,
it's it's it's super simple in my mind. But when
you try to sit down and explain stuff like this
in a podcast, and this is not a science podcast,
you know, I gotta be careful here. So here's what
I did. I said, I need to talk to some
experts who might know more about this, and I found
(35:17):
one of the top experts in the world, doctor Nicole Sharp.
This is a lady who has a PhD in aerospace
engineering specializing in fluid dynamics, and she knows all about
this topic. She even wrote a whole big web page
about this. Her website is called fly Fluid Dynamics dot com.
(35:43):
I'm sorry, it's f why not fly f y fluid
dynamics dot com.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This is the kind of stuff that I do. See.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
If you ever go out on a date with me,
you're gonna be really bored. Because I'm gonna see here
and talking about visiting five fluid Ninavics dot com. As
we're having cocktails and talking about the properties of an
electrified drop of water as it encounters an uncharged surface,
(36:14):
I asked her if if she thought that a charge
drop of water would uh not splash if it hit
an uncharged body of water. And she wrote back and
she said probably. She said, I would think the charge
(36:35):
would dissipate pretty quickly on impact, and you get something
pretty similar to whatever an uncharged drop would do at
the same size and speed. But I won't swear to it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So I don't know if this experiment has actually been done.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
But this, my friends, this may be the explanation for
how that highly charged UFOs are able to sort of
go brands medium if you will, to go from the
air into the ocean without causing a splash. We may
have solved the mystery of the physics of how that happens.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
We have to come back from a break.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
When we do, I'll wrap this up, and then I
want to tell you about a place that I recently
visited and something I think a story that you're really
going to enjoy. I thought this was pretty crazy. It
has to do with ice age fossils, not dinosaurs, ice age.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm Joshua pe Warren.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're listening to Range Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM para normal podcast network, and I will
be right back.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Welcome back to the final segment of this edition.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Of Strange Things of the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I am your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Warren, And yeah, I think that what we are learning
here about the behavior of a charged drop of water
hitting a surface may explain part of why these UFOs
traveling in and out of the water in places like
(38:50):
Puerto Rico, these usos, they do not make a splash.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
And this is an.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Example of how something is as simple as that can
dramatically change the way we start thinking about the quote
unquote laws of physics. Let's experiment more with this, let's
look into that more deeply. And that reminds me of
another odd scientific story that I want to share with you.
(39:18):
Let me ask you a question, trivia question. What do
you think the differences between a mammoth, you know, like
the elephants that lived in the ice age of mammoth
and a mastodon. I'll give you a couple seconds to
think about that. Mammoth and mastodon, Well, here is what
I had learned. While both belonged to the elephant family,
(39:42):
a family, these were distinct animals with key differences in appearance, diet,
and habitat. Mastodons were generally shorter and stockier, with a lower,
longer skull, and smaller ears. They had come shaped molars,
indicating they were browsers that ate twigs and branches. Mammoths,
(40:07):
on the other hand, were taller and more slender, with
higher domed skulls and larger ears. Their flat molars suggest
that they were grazers who ate grass. I recently did
a show and I said, what am I holding in
my hand? And nobody got it? And it was a
(40:29):
chunk of petrified wood, and I talked a little bit
about that. Well, I'm holding something else in my hand
right now. It's in my left hand. See if you
can guess it. What do you think it is? How
psychic are you? I've kind of given you some hints.
I'm holding in my left hand a replica of a
(40:51):
saber tooth cat tooth. I don't know would you call
these fangs. I don't know what the proper name, but
you know, the big curved, sharp tooth that comes out
of like a saber toothed tiger's mouth. It's pretty wild
when you like, I just took out my tape measure
and measured this thing, and it's it's over seven inches.
(41:17):
It's curved like a banana, so it's actually longer than
seven inches. But if you just consider from tip to tip,
it's seven inches. Imagine running into a cat here in
the Las Vegas area that has teeth like that. And
(41:39):
I say that because they used to live around here.
And I know that because that there is well, there's
there are a lot of good museums in this area
Las Vegas, where I live. It used to be under
a vast ocean millions of years ago, and then somewhere,
(42:00):
you know, in like what do they call it? I'm
not I will just call it the ice age. Let's
see one hundred and fifteen thousand to eleven thousand, seven
hundred years. Okay, let me put it this way. You're
it's kind of ridiculous to try to imagine these numbers.
(42:21):
So there were wetlands here in what is now this
dry desert roughly one hundred thousand years to eleven thousand,
seven hundred years ago. We're not talking about millions of
years ago. The dinosaurs, I guess, were long long long
gone by then, though. This is when we had we
had the Ice Age. And it turns out that right
(42:44):
here in Las Vegas, what is now Las Vegas, there
was an area which now has become famous for being
one of the largest collections of Ice Age fossils found
anywhere in the entire world. And just last year they
(43:04):
opened up a museum. It's a state park. It's called
the Ice Age Fossils State Park, brand speak and new
thirty five minutes north of my house.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I'd never been there before. I went there yesterday.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And it's really amazing to go to a brand new,
state run museum these days. You walk in the door
and it's still got that new car smell. And when
you go in there, they have all kinds of remains
from Colombian mammoths, American lions, dire wolves, saber tooth cats,
(43:44):
ancient bison, camels, ground sloths, horses, and lamas, all of
them gigantic, all of them really weird. They have all
these skeletons and reproductions and fossils, and you get to
go through and learn about all of these crazy animals
that lived in what was a beautiful swampy marshy land
(44:10):
thousands of years ago, but which is now, you know,
this desert that everybody is so familiar with. And you know,
when I grew up in western North Carolina, I was
always hoping and praying i'd find a fossil someday. But
from what I was told, nobody has ever found a
fossil in western North Carolina because the climate there has
(44:32):
always been too moist, and things they disintegrate and they
brought away. So I never actually found a fossil. But
out here there are fossils all over the place. And
so when I went there to this part, they had
these replicas of these They call them a saber tooth cat,
(44:53):
So I don't know if that's the same thing as
a saber tooth tiger. I didn't look that deeply into it,
to be honest with you. But so I'm hold this
big replica that I bought from this museum, the Ice
Age Fossils State Park Museum, that's a three hundred and
fifteen acre state park there by the way, just north
of Vegas. So, and so I'm holding this thing in
(45:15):
my hand that I bought there. And what I thought
was especially interesting is that I started talking to the
park ranger who was at the front desk after I
bought this, and she said, well, we have like a
really really fine replica back here. You know, I don't
know how much I paid for this, but I'm sure
(45:37):
hers was much more expensive the museum replica. So but
it was cool because she took out the museum replica
and held it up next to my replica and we
took a picture of it. And I mean they are
about the same. They're about the same. And I mean,
it's it's crazy to hold this saber tooth and just
like just poke it on your palm and imagine, oh
(46:00):
my god, now I'm poking it all over. Yeah, you'd
be you'd be dead, like immediately immediately if one of
those things bit you. But here's why I wanted to
bring this up. In the nineteen sixties, scientists were there
excavating the heck out of this area because they were
(46:21):
trying to find evidence that human beings lived in the
area longer ago than was believed. Because humans have lived
here in this area for thousands of years, but they
thought that humans might have been here even longer, even
farther before them. So all these scientists had this major,
(46:42):
major research project, and they actually weren't interested in the
fossils as much as they were interested in finding human
relics that were aligned with the fossils, right, And it
turns out that they were wrong, Like there were people
who lived through thousands of years ago, but not that
(47:03):
long ago. And so the scientists, because they had this
agenda of wanting to prove this certain thing and it
turned out to be wrong, well, they just got exasperated
and they left everything. And then nobody did anything with
this property for decades. And then there were all of
these new scientists in the two thousands that became interested
(47:26):
in going back to this site just to look at
the fossils. So they started going back and digging through
this earth that these other scientists had gone through in
the nineteen sixties. And as they're digging, digging, digging, oh
my goodness, they find something amazing. They find a huge
tusk of a mammoth. They call it the Tuscany tuff,
(47:49):
The Tuscany tusk huge tusk.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Of a mammoth. But here's the kicker.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's been under the ground for god knows how long, right,
but it was wrapped in newspaper dated from nineteen sixty three.
Apparently the tusk of this mammoth was excavated during what
they called the Big Dig almost fifty years earlier. But
(48:21):
since those scientists had to focus on finding human made artifacts,
those researchers likely determined the tusk was unimportant to their
investigation and just wrapped it in paper and reburied it.
And that is how scientists think about tunnel vision, proving
a particular agenda, and this is why we must open
(48:43):
our minds. I wish I could say more about this,
but the clock is Godess. Take a deep breath, close
your eyes if you can. Here is the good Fortune tone.
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Speaker 1 (01:09):
I am JOSHUAFE Warren, and each week on this show,
I'll be bringing a brand new mind blowing content, news, exercises,
and weird experiments you can do at home, and a
lot more. On this edition of the show, A ghost
lifted him two feet into the air and he's not crazy.
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Plus new UFO dynamics.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
For over thirty years, I have interviewed.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Scientists, satanists, atheists, ministers, astronauts, porn stars, politicians, magicians, movie stars,
lots of everyday folks and as art Bell said, some
of the craziest people you'll ever meet.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I've done that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
For newspaper articles, for books, radio, TV, movies, you name it.
And when you do that for a long time, you
tend to develop what some might consider I think the
technical term is a BS detector. And I know that
(02:34):
some of you listening might say, well, well, Josh, sometimes
you seem like you're kind of full of it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Well, so be it. If that's the case, then maybe
that's why I have such a good BS detector. But
I want to.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Share with you a recording of a man whom I
believe is credible and logical. And I say that because
I have known him personally for over certainly over fifteen years.
You know, back in the day, I used to try
(03:09):
to do it all. I would go to live events
all over the country and the world and do speaking engagements,
and I would do the TV shows, and I would
do the movies and the radio. And I finally got
to a point where I said, Okay, this is too much.
I need to focus on one thing for a while,
and so I decided to focus on podcasting. So I
(03:31):
don't do live engagements and TV stuff very often anymore.
I mean, it has to be a very very special occasion.
I do not offer myself up as a guest most
of the time. It's a very rare thing. I decided
to devote my time to podcasting and doing experiments and research.
(03:51):
And you always want to stay true to your roots,
because if I just did nothing but start going on
shows as a paranormal expert all the time, and then
I would have nothing new to talk about. You have
to have spend more of your time innovating things, experimenting
and researching, and so I am devoting even more of
my life to that at this point, and I figured
(04:14):
my outlet for that is this program as of right now.
So I don't do speaking engagements anymore, but I used
to do a lot of them, and I have done
many of them in Chicago, Illinois. And one of the
people who used to hire me for her conference is
Ursula Bielski, and she had a wonderful conference that she
(04:38):
would do every year there in Chicago, and I was
at my first one there. I don't recall the exact year,
but I met a man named Ben Pavilon, and he
and I have stayed friends ever since. Ben is like me.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He's a geek.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
He likes the technical stuff, the Tesla Cooi, the electrostatic generators.
He's got a very he's got a logical background. He
works in a in a high tech position for you know,
a serious company. I don't want to talk about that
(05:17):
part of his life, but I mean he's he's a
real professional and just a guy who has a lot
of responsibility in his job and security clearance is that
kind of thing. And so over the years, whenever I've
been in Chicago, I would meet up with him. Or
turns out he comes out to Las Vegas once in
(05:38):
a while to attend a conference, and so I try
to get together with him when I can when he
pops out here to Vegas. And just recently he came
out here. And you know the thing that the reason
that he was involved with all this stuff is because Ben,
even though he works at a very proactical field, he
(06:02):
is the head of a group called Chicago ghost Hunters.
And as a matter of fact, if you're on Facebook,
you can just go and look up just do a
search for Chicago ghost Hunters and it'll come up the
Chicago ghost Hunters group. And he has been he's been
investigating the paranormal almost his whole life, many many decades.
(06:25):
I won't give his age away, but you know, he's
not an old man, but he's certainly not a young man,
and he has a lot of stories to tell. And
so recently, you know, I've been trying to get out
about since I've recovered from this surgery, you know. And
so he happened to come into town, and Lauren and
I met up with him for an evening, had a
(06:47):
very nice dinner. He was gracious bought us our dinner,
and then we decided we were going to go and
have a little fun gambling. But in the meantime, we
got into my car because Vegas could be rather aloud,
as you can imagine, and we got into my car
and I said.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Hey, you know what, we have a kind of a
quiet space inside the suv here.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Why don't I turn on this little audio recorder and
maybe just ask you about some of your experiences and
see what I can possibly play on the show. Maybe
you have something that the listeners would find intriguing. And
he said, yeah, absolutely, that sounds great, and so I
(07:29):
turned on the recorder. It's not the greatest quality, I mean,
it is just literally the two of us sitting in
my SUV and we chatted for a while, and he
started telling me some about his background and various paranormal
experiences that he has had, and one in particular, of course,
which coming from him, is quite extraordinary, about a ghost
(07:55):
lifting him off of his feet. So I said, look,
I have to play some of this on the show,
and that's what you are about to hear.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So I am now going to I'm going to start
playing this.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't have a lot that I recorded with him,
but I want you to understand that this is not
coming from a crazy person. Now, granted, we did have
a few drinks at dinner, so we might not be
speaking as sharply, our dictation might not be as fine
(08:32):
as usual, but nonetheless, listen to some of these experiences
from Ben Pavlon of Chicago Ghost Hunters Group.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Ben, how did we meet each other?
Speaker 4 (08:48):
We met each other at the at Ursula Bielski's Ghost
conference back at the Fortage Theater when Lorraine Warren actually
happened to be there as well, presigning you and I
were happening to be standing by the bar, and we
started talking about Tesla coils.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Actually, well that makes sense, so why were you there.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
I was there because.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I was running the Chicago ghost Hunters group, which was
a long time probably one of the oldest meetup groups
on the ghost hunting scene in Chicago, running from roughly
about two thousand and six all the way up to
twenty twenty.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
So good long run for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Ben.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
What is your background that led you into paranormal investigation.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Well, my background actually started when I was a child
lived in a very haunted apartment that had like shadow people,
disembodied a disembodied hand that would disturb.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Me as a kid, and it was just it was
a lot of bad stuff.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Going on there.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
And so my my goal of actually getting into the
paranormal investigation side was I wanted to face up to
my fears and understand it better and you know, try
and figure out what's actually going on. So I would
face my fears and get over it and try and
uh stand up to it because because at the time,
(10:31):
when when I was a kid, I had these shadow
people that were actually uh going after I mean, these
were like not the kind that you usually see like
at other investigations, where you know they're just shadows of
spirits that you know might have been lingering around, you know,
that are harmless, not doing anything. These shadow people were
(10:56):
they they were letting me know that they could do
anything they wanted me to do, and there's nothing I
could do about it. So I had a very intense fear,
and you know, I was very open to that, very
perceptive of all this unnatural activity. So, you know, being young,
you know, being a child, it was hard for me
(11:16):
to understand what was going on. And you know, at
the time, my mom didn't believe me when I told
her what was happening. So now she does, but it
feels bad about not addressing the issue back then. But yeah,
that's basically what what got me into the paranormal field.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
All right, time for a break. When we come back,
you will hear Ben talk about some of the things
he's learned regarding the relationship between environmental energy and paranormal activity.
And if you're a paranormal investigator, you might even be
able to use some of this to well help enhance
your activity, or if you don't want that kind of activity,
(11:58):
well maybe it'll be helpful to to inform you on
how to prevent it. And then of course we'll get
into this crazy experience that he had being physically attacked
by well a spirit. Hey, if you like this show,
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I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua P.
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Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in
Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden
and every night is silver on Jiao Zoom. And now
let's get back into the stories from Ben Pavlon of
(14:05):
Chicago Ghost Hunters Group.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And then after that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I have some news to share with you about U
f O call them what you want, U f O
U a P technology that I'm pretty sure you have
not heard anywhere else. In fact, I can almost guarantee it,
all right, So let's get back to Ben.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
You know, a lot of the data have recorded over
the years of you know, many investigations. There's always a
correlation of uh, you know energy like you know, weather
conditions causing uh, you know, causing increased electromagnetic activity or
negative negative ions in the air, you know, intensifying that activity,
(14:55):
or you know.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
I we uh, we.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Conducted an investigat at Ashmore Estates back back you know,
way before Robin Terryo owned the place, back when Scott
owned it. We found his Jacob's ladder in the basement,
which was actually for a haunted house exhibit. He was
doing it, you know, for like a mad scientist lab.
(15:19):
We flipped that thing on and that Jacob's ladder energized
the whole place and caused an insane amount of activity,
I mean, which was great proof to show that if
you if you introduce you know, artificial energy sources such
as Tesla coils or like the Jacob's ladder, or even
(15:40):
like when you use a you know propane heater that
actually also helps generate you know, negative iron generation. Definitely
definitely seems to stoke up the activity of a place.
I think it's that it really seems like just from
just observation and everything, it seems like the uh they
(16:03):
need the energy, that energy to be able to communicate
with this side of the fence. It's almost like it's
uh kind of like you know, helping bridge our world
into their world with that that that that electricity, much
like uh, you know the way uh Tesla even set
(16:24):
himself when he accidentally electrocuted himself.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
He said he could see the future in.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
The past at that moment when when that electricity course
through him. I think it, uh, I think it actually will.
I think it kind of bridges that gap between that
that ghostly uh or that dimension that they're they're they're
communicating from. I have to say, probably the most insane,
(16:51):
craziest experience I ever had. I mean, I was at
the Mansfield Reformatory. We had been we'd been there all night,
and we had to go down the uh. We were
wrapping up the investigation and we're and I will say
we had a lot of got a lot of great EVPs,
and uh there was a lot of unusual activity, especially
(17:15):
in this room that uh my co investigator didn't want
to go in, said he was scared. And we went
in there and there was a lot of unusual things
that happened in there. But this is I'm not going
to cover that because I want to get into what
actually happened to me. That was that was witnessed by
a lot of people and actually even gave me more
(17:38):
respect for, you know, being very careful on the you know,
looking into these these places.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
We were going down the UH.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
We were packing up, and I was actually kind of
apprehensive about going down this the stairwell of the UH
the central guard house that you have to that those
chairs take.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
You down to the uh the main entrance to.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
You know, where you where you can load load your
equipment back in your car. So we had packed the
equipment and I was talking to Mark, who was with me,
and Uh, I was like, do we really have to.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Go down those stairs? Can we go down that elevator?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's like now that elevators you know, takes you takes
you down to the area where we had the coffee
and pizza, And I was like, yeah, you're right, So
I put, I grabbed my equipment where we started walking
down the stairs.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Mind you, the lights were.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Out at at that point, and uh, when I started
stepping down the stairs, I all of a sudden felt
my shoe coming off on my left foot, and I
thought at first, I must I must not have laced
up my boots, you know, tight enough. And I'm like, oh, well,
you know, bootle fall down the stairs, I'll be fine. However,
(18:55):
when I started trying to step my foot down to uh,
you know, continue walking down, my foot wouldn't go down,
and all of a sudden I got lifted up, like
two feet up off the ground. I mean I had
my hands on the stereil banister, they were ripped off.
I was whipped around backwards and thrown backwards down the staircase.
(19:19):
If it wasn't for the fact that I had that
I had unpacked my backpack, put a hoodie in there,
and had just had the equipment in a couple of bags,
that backpack actually patted me, and uh, my co investigator's daughter,
who happened to be a professional cheerleader, caught my shoulder
blade as I was flying down those backwards down the stairs.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
And when I when I uh.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
When I uh stood up upright, you know, I was
talking to the guy downstairs at that point. The guy
I should have mentioned that, the guide from U Mansfield,
he already flipped on the lights. He saw the same thing.
He saw me lifted up up there. You know, a
couple of people saw me. They were like, we saw
(20:08):
you lifted up two feet off the ground and then
falling backwards. And he was saying he even told me,
he said he's seen other people had that get pushed
down those stairs as well.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
And the crazy part too, was when I looked in.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
The mirror, I had a bruise on my chin, like
somebody gave me an upper cut. And I just never
I have to say, that actually really shook me up.
I thought I was going to die. And I never
felt such energy. I didn't believe that they could manifest
that kind of energy to actually throw me.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Back like that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Tell everybody how to learn more about you and your work,
or whatever else you'd like to say.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
At this point, the floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, if you want to join, I still have the
face group, the Facebook group Chicago ghost Hunters group, So
if you want to reach out, you know, just applying
to join. And you know, as long as you answer
the uh the questions that I have on the site,
which are very easy questions I answered, believe me, you
(21:14):
can join and you're free to answer any questions.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The main goal of the Chicago ghost Hunters group is
all about you know, information exchange, you know, you know,
learning about how to conduct investigations the right way, you know,
doing proper research. And I'll even help, you know, guide
you to figuring out locations you can go to without
(21:41):
having to you know, spend money on you know, paying
for a more notable site.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Thank you, Ben, And as you all can see, that
is the kind of thing. Those are the kinds of
things that Ben Pavlon and I talk about when we
get together. And so let me tell if you're in
the Chicago, Illinois area, then he's easy to find and
you should definitely look him up the Chicago ghost Hunters Group.
(22:09):
But always interesting to get some dramatic stories from someone
who you know has a very practical mindset and a
technical logical background and all that. Well, here's something I
know Ben would appreciate. And I bet he has not
heard this yet, because you know, we've been talking about
(22:33):
this relationship between electricity electromagnetism. You hear it all the time.
I mean, it's just a sort of a fundamental element
of the conversation that comes up when you get into
the paranormal and the relationship between all of that kind
of energy, that form of energy manifestation and what people
(22:53):
often experience as the paranormal. And it's one thing to
envision it as something ghostly, you know, like some blue
coronal discharge, some plasma that's floating around, But it also
plays a big role when it comes to thinking about
how that some kind of alien technology. And I say
(23:14):
that for lack of a better word, because when I
say aliens, I'm not necessarily talking about little green men
from another rock out there. They are most likely something
closer to inter dimensional beings or maybe a combination of both.
When we talk about them, and we talk about the
craft that we document flying around here, then we of
(23:36):
course have to ask, how on earth do they seem
to defy the laws of physics that we find such
scientific comfort in. You know, scientists will sit there and
they'll argue till they're blue in the face about how
you can't beat the laws of physics they are fixed,
(23:59):
and yet we have documents of these craft that do
just that.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well. A few days ago, I was.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On YouTube and I saw a video on one of
my favorite channels. It's excellent if you're into scientific experiments
that are kind of explained as plainly as possible. It's
called the Action Lab. Four point ninety nine million subscribers
(24:28):
right now. If that tells you what you think. The
Action Lab and the guy who does it. He put
out this video and it says scientists just found why
electrified drops don't splash. Now, I'd never heard about that before,
(24:48):
and right off the bat, that should sound very interesting
to you or very boring, but I bet it will
be interesting to all of you when I come back
and explain how that this immediately turned on the light
bulb and my brain.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
When it comes to UFOs, I'm Joshua P. Warren.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be back
after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things all
(25:59):
the Art Radio and Coast a Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Warren and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Let me say this again.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The video at the action Lab channel there on YouTube
says scientists just found why electrified drops don't splash. And
basically they show a video in slow motion of a
drop of water hitting a surface like a mirror. And
(26:41):
we're talking about a drop of water that's maybe been
dropped from a foot above the mirror. This is a
regular drop of water, and it's just like a rain drop.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
You see it fall in slow motion.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It hits the mirror and it goes splash, just like
you've seen your whole life. But then they say, now,
look what happens if we electrify that drop of water,
if we give an electrical charge. And when they do that,
this time the drop of water falls on the same surface,
(27:17):
but it doesn't go splash. It just spreads out. It's
almost like a non event. It's weird to see that happen.
You're expecting a drop of water to splash, and when
it just hits and just just goes flat and there's
no splash, it almost looks like it's not water anymore. Now,
(27:38):
if you wonder about, like, what do you mean electrified
drop of water? I don't want to get too technical,
this is a podcast, but let me just put it
this way. Some of you know there are devices out there,
like let's say a Vandergraph machine, which is the big
silver ball that you could put your hands on and
it charges you with electricity and your hair stands on
(28:00):
the end. That's an electrostatic generator. Or you have something
like a Whimshurst machine, which is another type of electrostatic generator.
It's the type of energy you get when you drag
your socks across the floor on a cold, dry night
and you touch the doorknob and bang, you get the shock.
That's what we're talking about. And so what they would
do is they would they did an experiment where they
(28:21):
would just take a drop of falling water and have
it passed by an electrode on the way down, so
that that drop of water would take on a charge
either positive or negative. And that's it. And the very
fact that this drop of water has discharge means that
(28:43):
when it hits the surface, there's no splash. Now that's interesting,
and they're already talking about like how this might apply
to new forms of spray painting or printing, like using
printer ink and s so that it doesn't get a splotchy.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I don't know, but for me, I mean almost as
soon as I.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Saw this headline, I will WHOA. This may explain one
of the biggest mysteries that I've come across in UFO history,
and that is because I did a documentary which actually
what it's a short documentary. It's it's probably fifteen sixteen
minutes long. But I did this when I was living
(29:31):
in Puerto Rico and it's about the UFOs that are
seen going well, part of it is about the UFOs
that are seeing going in and out of.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
The water in Puerto Rico. If you haven't watched this,
go to YouTube and.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Just search for my name Joshua pe Warren and then
search for oh UFOs not UFOs. Put the O at
the beginning Joshua P. Warren, Oh, you a new Discovery
and you'll find the documentary there. It won an award
at the fourteen Film Festival in England. And then let's
(30:12):
see here or the UK. And then if you if
you have trouble finding it that way, go to my
website Joshua P. Warren dot com. You'll find a really
cool section called gallery of the strange. There's a lot
of stuff to check out there. There you'll see a
link that says oh UFO's Organic UFOs Report. If you
(30:33):
click that, then you can not only watch the video,
but also get more in depth information.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
In that documentary, I presented one of the most amazing
pieces of footage that I've ever seen in my life.
When I was living in Puerto Rico, there was an
incident that occurred about maybe an hour north of where
I lived, in a town called Aguadilla, the northwestern corner
(30:59):
of the Eye Island, and one evening there in twenty thirteen,
Homeland Security captured thermal footage of this UFO flying around
the airport and flying all around the coastline there, And
of course this was of great concern because it's around
an airport. And one of the remarkable things that people
(31:22):
commented about was that whatever this UFO was, occasionally it
would dip into the ocean. It would dip into the
Atlantic Ocean, and it would travel under the water for
a while, and then it would come back out, and
then it would fly for a while, and then it
would dip back in, and eventually it was joined by
a second UFO and finally both of them disappear together
(31:46):
into the water. Now this is about nine o'clock at night.
But everybody always said, well, it doesn't make any sense
because when these UFOs go into the water, there's no splash. Now,
these UFOs are traveling at a very high rate of speed,
and we know the laws of physics, right, so if
(32:09):
these things are traveling and then they hit the water
at that speed, well there should be some kind of
a tremendous splash. Some people even use that as an
excuse to think that this footage is not legit. And
I'm here to tell you that I believe one hundred
percent that this footage is legit. And if you watch
my little documentary for free there, you'll see why. I
(32:30):
believe that it's been studied by a lot of very
credible scientists who have come to the conclusion that this
is real stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It actually was leaked. I happened to know.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
The one of the guys related to the guy who
leaked it. It was one of his relatives who worked
there at the airport, but we won't get into that.
So I thought to myself, it never made sense to
me how that these UFOs could go into the water
without creating a splash. I was just as mystified as
(33:06):
everybody else. But then when I saw this, I thought, wow, Okay,
now they are electrifying a drop of water and dropping
it on top of a solid surface like a video
excuse me, like a mirror. So okay, so you take
they have video here of this drop of water. Sorry,
(33:28):
my brain's kind of all over the place. You got
video of this drop of water. It's falling and it's electrified,
and then it hits the solid object, this mirror, but
there's no splash. So I thought, well, would it have
the same effect if an electrified maybe a somewhat amorphous
(33:51):
object hit the water instead of a solid object. So,
to simplify things, if an electrified drop of water will
not splash when it hits a mirror, will that electrified
drop of water also not splash if it hits an
uncharged pool of water. Because I'm talking about comparing the
(34:15):
idea of something like this UFO going into the water.
Let's say the UFO is electrified and it somehow represents
this charged water droplet, and so when it goes down
and hits the surface of the water, the reason that
it doesn't splash is because that it's no different than
(34:37):
how the drop of water doesn't splash when it hits
the mirror. But does that effect still work with water,
like when an uncharged pool of water i e. The
ocean act as act the same way that the mirror would.
(34:57):
I hope that you're keeping up with this. To me,
it's it's it's super simple in my mind. But when
you try to sit down and explain stuff like this
in a podcast, and this is not a science podcast,
you know, I gotta be careful here. So here's what
I did. I said, I need to talk to some
experts who might know more about this, and I found
(35:17):
one of the top experts in the world, doctor Nicole Sharp.
This is a lady who has a PhD in aerospace
engineering specializing in fluid dynamics, and she knows all about
this topic. She even wrote a whole big web page
about this. Her website is called fly Fluid Dynamics dot com.
(35:43):
I'm sorry, it's f why not fly f y fluid
dynamics dot com.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
This is the kind of stuff that I do. See.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
If you ever go out on a date with me,
you're gonna be really bored. Because I'm gonna see here
and talking about visiting five fluid Ninavics dot com. As
we're having cocktails and talking about the properties of an
electrified drop of water as it encounters an uncharged surface,
(36:14):
I asked her if if she thought that a charge
drop of water would uh not splash if it hit
an uncharged body of water. And she wrote back and
she said probably. She said, I would think the charge
(36:35):
would dissipate pretty quickly on impact, and you get something
pretty similar to whatever an uncharged drop would do at
the same size and speed. But I won't swear to it.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
So I don't know if this experiment has actually been done.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
But this, my friends, this may be the explanation for
how that highly charged UFOs are able to sort of
go brands medium if you will, to go from the
air into the ocean without causing a splash. We may
have solved the mystery of the physics of how that happens.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
We have to come back from a break.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
When we do, I'll wrap this up, and then I
want to tell you about a place that I recently
visited and something I think a story that you're really
going to enjoy. I thought this was pretty crazy. It
has to do with ice age fossils, not dinosaurs, ice age.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm Joshua pe Warren.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You're listening to Range Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM para normal podcast network, and I will
be right back.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Welcome back to the final segment of this edition.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Of Strange Things of the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I am your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Warren, And yeah, I think that what we are learning
here about the behavior of a charged drop of water
hitting a surface may explain part of why these UFOs
traveling in and out of the water in places like
(38:50):
Puerto Rico, these usos, they do not make a splash.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
And this is an.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Example of how something is as simple as that can
dramatically change the way we start thinking about the quote
unquote laws of physics. Let's experiment more with this, let's
look into that more deeply. And that reminds me of
another odd scientific story that I want to share with you.
(39:18):
Let me ask you a question, trivia question. What do
you think the differences between a mammoth, you know, like
the elephants that lived in the ice age of mammoth
and a mastodon. I'll give you a couple seconds to
think about that. Mammoth and mastodon, Well, here is what
I had learned. While both belonged to the elephant family,
(39:42):
a family, these were distinct animals with key differences in appearance, diet,
and habitat. Mastodons were generally shorter and stockier, with a lower,
longer skull, and smaller ears. They had come shaped molars,
indicating they were browsers that ate twigs and branches. Mammoths,
(40:07):
on the other hand, were taller and more slender, with
higher domed skulls and larger ears. Their flat molars suggest
that they were grazers who ate grass. I recently did
a show and I said, what am I holding in
my hand? And nobody got it? And it was a
(40:29):
chunk of petrified wood, and I talked a little bit
about that. Well, I'm holding something else in my hand
right now. It's in my left hand. See if you
can guess it. What do you think it is? How
psychic are you? I've kind of given you some hints.
I'm holding in my left hand a replica of a
(40:51):
saber tooth cat tooth. I don't know would you call
these fangs. I don't know what the proper name, but
you know, the big curved, sharp tooth that comes out
of like a saber toothed tiger's mouth. It's pretty wild
when you like, I just took out my tape measure
and measured this thing, and it's it's over seven inches.
(41:17):
It's curved like a banana, so it's actually longer than
seven inches. But if you just consider from tip to tip,
it's seven inches. Imagine running into a cat here in
the Las Vegas area that has teeth like that. And
(41:39):
I say that because they used to live around here.
And I know that because that there is well, there's
there are a lot of good museums in this area
Las Vegas, where I live. It used to be under
a vast ocean millions of years ago, and then somewhere,
(42:00):
you know, in like what do they call it? I'm
not I will just call it the ice age. Let's
see one hundred and fifteen thousand to eleven thousand, seven
hundred years. Okay, let me put it this way. You're
it's kind of ridiculous to try to imagine these numbers.
(42:21):
So there were wetlands here in what is now this
dry desert roughly one hundred thousand years to eleven thousand,
seven hundred years ago. We're not talking about millions of
years ago. The dinosaurs, I guess, were long long long
gone by then, though. This is when we had we
had the Ice Age. And it turns out that right
(42:44):
here in Las Vegas, what is now Las Vegas, there
was an area which now has become famous for being
one of the largest collections of Ice Age fossils found
anywhere in the entire world. And just last year they
(43:04):
opened up a museum. It's a state park. It's called
the Ice Age Fossils State Park, brand speak and new
thirty five minutes north of my house.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I'd never been there before. I went there yesterday.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
And it's really amazing to go to a brand new,
state run museum these days. You walk in the door
and it's still got that new car smell. And when
you go in there, they have all kinds of remains
from Colombian mammoths, American lions, dire wolves, saber tooth cats,
(43:44):
ancient bison, camels, ground sloths, horses, and lamas, all of
them gigantic, all of them really weird. They have all
these skeletons and reproductions and fossils, and you get to
go through and learn about all of these crazy animals
that lived in what was a beautiful swampy marshy land
(44:10):
thousands of years ago, but which is now, you know,
this desert that everybody is so familiar with. And you know,
when I grew up in western North Carolina, I was
always hoping and praying i'd find a fossil someday. But
from what I was told, nobody has ever found a
fossil in western North Carolina because the climate there has
(44:32):
always been too moist, and things they disintegrate and they
brought away. So I never actually found a fossil. But
out here there are fossils all over the place. And
so when I went there to this part, they had
these replicas of these They call them a saber tooth cat,
(44:53):
So I don't know if that's the same thing as
a saber tooth tiger. I didn't look that deeply into it,
to be honest with you. But so I'm hold this
big replica that I bought from this museum, the Ice
Age Fossils State Park Museum, that's a three hundred and
fifteen acre state park there by the way, just north
of Vegas. So, and so I'm holding this thing in
(45:15):
my hand that I bought there. And what I thought
was especially interesting is that I started talking to the
park ranger who was at the front desk after I
bought this, and she said, well, we have like a
really really fine replica back here. You know, I don't
know how much I paid for this, but I'm sure
(45:37):
hers was much more expensive the museum replica. So but
it was cool because she took out the museum replica
and held it up next to my replica and we
took a picture of it. And I mean they are
about the same. They're about the same. And I mean,
it's it's crazy to hold this saber tooth and just
like just poke it on your palm and imagine, oh
(46:00):
my god, now I'm poking it all over. Yeah, you'd
be you'd be dead, like immediately immediately if one of
those things bit you. But here's why I wanted to
bring this up. In the nineteen sixties, scientists were there
excavating the heck out of this area because they were
(46:21):
trying to find evidence that human beings lived in the
area longer ago than was believed. Because humans have lived
here in this area for thousands of years, but they
thought that humans might have been here even longer, even
farther before them. So all these scientists had this major,
(46:42):
major research project, and they actually weren't interested in the
fossils as much as they were interested in finding human
relics that were aligned with the fossils, right, And it
turns out that they were wrong, Like there were people
who lived through thousands of years ago, but not that
(47:03):
long ago. And so the scientists, because they had this
agenda of wanting to prove this certain thing and it
turned out to be wrong, well, they just got exasperated
and they left everything. And then nobody did anything with
this property for decades. And then there were all of
these new scientists in the two thousands that became interested
(47:26):
in going back to this site just to look at
the fossils. So they started going back and digging through
this earth that these other scientists had gone through in
the nineteen sixties. And as they're digging, digging, digging, oh
my goodness, they find something amazing. They find a huge
tusk of a mammoth. They call it the Tuscany tuff,
(47:49):
The Tuscany tusk huge tusk.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Of a mammoth. But here's the kicker.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's been under the ground for god knows how long, right,
but it was wrapped in newspaper dated from nineteen sixty three.
Apparently the tusk of this mammoth was excavated during what
they called the Big Dig almost fifty years earlier. But
(48:21):
since those scientists had to focus on finding human made artifacts,
those researchers likely determined the tusk was unimportant to their
investigation and just wrapped it in paper and reburied it.
And that is how scientists think about tunnel vision, proving
a particular agenda, and this is why we must open
(48:43):
our minds. I wish I could say more about this,
but the clock is Godess. Take a deep breath, close
your eyes if you can. Here is the good Fortune tone.
(49:14):
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