Episode 270: Kidnapped! The FBI Psychic & Afterlife Signs!

Join Sandra and meet a woman who has spent 45 years solving missing children's cases. Hear her story of how she connects with her recently passed husband and spirit guide.

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(00:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each EPP episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now
know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and
so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. On

(01:11):
our episode today, you'll meet Annette Bricca. Now I have
to tell you she's a fast talker, but she has
so much energy and information to share that, although you
might need to listen closely, I promise you her story
is incredibly powerful and worth every second. We're going to
hear about a life that has been anything but ordinary.

(01:31):
You'll hear the story of how she survived a kidnapping
at the age of twelve by remembering a vision she
had years earlier. You'll learn how, while still just a teenager,
began working with the FBI to help solve missing children's
cases using her psychic gifts. She also shares the deeply
personal and recent loss of both her dog and her husband, Vinnie,

(01:55):
and the incredible spiritual events that surrounded his passing. But
before we dive into our story, I want to tell
you something important to me and to all of us
who are grieving. I rarely interview mediums unless they meet
a specific standard. Grieving people, as you may well know,

(02:16):
are experiencing the most pain imaginable. Just like we go
to highly trained and skilled doctors when we are physically ill,
we need to find highly trained and ethical mediums when
our hearts are breaking. That is why I always recommend
that you never book a medium reading unless that medium

(02:37):
offers a ten minute guarantee. What does this mean? It
means if the medium doesn't give you good evidential proof
of your loved one in the first ten minutes, or
perhaps the medium doesn't feel they have a good connection
with you, either of you can stop the reading right there.
You can choose to reschedule or ask for your money

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back with no hard feelings. All the best mediums I
know work this way because they cannot force a connection
and they want you to be healed, not just sold
a service. I'm happy to tell you that my guest today,
a net Brica, confirms she offers this guarantee because she
wants her clients to be happy and comforted through grief.

(03:20):
So get ready for a fast paced, fascinating and truly
evidential filled episode a net Brica. Welcome to Shades of
the Afterlife.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Thank you, Santra, my honor and I appreciate you having
me on. I'm thrilled.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
And the first thing I want to say is, I
know a few months back your husband passed and our
sincere condolences, and also you had to put your dog
down and it's heartbreaking as well. Yeah, I appreciate it
was unexpected.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
He passed away in August so even I was blown
away by it. We found out on my birthday, July
twenty fifth, he went to the emergency room for something
we thought was minor. We want and my husband said,
after they did a couple of tests, so did you
rule out whatever it is that they were trying to
rule out? And they said, we did. That is the
good news that we ruled it out, but you have
stage four cancer and went on to say all this stuff,

(04:08):
and we were just blown away. And from that moment on,
for the next two weeks, he went to two different
hospitals and he died fourteen days later. And he was
sixty years old, So within a two week period, my
whole life completely changed. I was so really really, really
really devastated by it. But in all the years that
I've been doing this work, and it's not work that
I would have chosen, it chose me. I have done

(04:30):
thousands of readings with people that have crossed over, that
have come over and helped that family member or the
loved ones of the missing person or the person that
is deceased, helped bridge that gap for them. And I've
had people in my life that have passed away, so
I did know what grief was, but not to this degree,
and it's really put me on another level, to the
point where I even say, now, if my husband were alive,

(04:51):
I think he would say, I didn't even know you
liked me this much. Some days I can't breathe. Some
days I can't go up the stairs. I tell you
that I'm in the thick of my grief. It is
an understatement. So I feel like it has allowed me.
Now when I do readings with people that have crossed over,
I get the grief part. Now. My heart goes out
to everybody that goes through because it's not linear. It's

(05:12):
like I told you before we started. After he had
passed away. Two weeks after that, A rescheduled ninety eight readings.
I had all these readings scheduled. I had to rescheduled
them all because I just couldn't do them at that time.
And I had an opportunity to help with the missing
child case two weeks after he passed, and I almost
said no, and it would have been the first time
in forty five years I would have said no, but
I didn't think I could do it. And Vinni came

(05:34):
through and he said, do it. I'll help you. With that, oh,
staying your lane, I don't know if you could help me,
and I took it and we did solve it. And
it's such a huge reminder to me, even though I
know we don't die, because Vinnie has come to me
every single day since he's passed, and even yesterday I said, like,
I have a podcast tape, I'll talk to you later.
And I don't need to be cavalier about it, but

(05:55):
it is a constantar reminder. The other side is not
heaven or hell. I believe it's just vibe rating in
a different level, maybe four feet in front of us.
So I believe that they're always with us. And it
is even for me with the deep grief that I'm
going through, a real reminder.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
It is how does he come to you? We'll get
into your story and your past and all that.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Anyways, Yeah, sometimes he'll appear, sometimes I'll feel him, sometimes
I'll sense him. One of the things that I tell
people when I do readings for them and they want
to connect with their spirit GUIDs, there's a very deliberate
way that I tell them they can do it. So
Vinnie knows. When he was on his deathbed and I
said to him, how am I going to do this
without you? I don't think I can do it, And
he said you will. He said, I'm gonna give you

(06:35):
my heart. My jeweler made this heart for me with
his name. I don't know if you can see his
initial and in the upper writ hand side. But I said, well,
don't just tell me. You got to give me evidence.
Even though we're married. I need evidence. So when he
comes through, he tells me things that I wouldn't know
I couldn't know, tells me things either about clients are
a missing child case, but again not just a sense
that he's here, real evidence. And my dog Fred also

(06:58):
does as well. It's fab Yes, tell us a little
bit about Fred. Oh, it's so funny. About two months
before Vinnie died, I was on a podcast and I
was just talking nonsense. I was talking about how I
love my dog so much, and I said Fred is
number one, two, three, four, and five in my life,
and then number six of my daughter, and number seven
is my husband. And Vinnie heard that at work and

(07:19):
he came home and he goes, do you mean it?
I go, well, I don't not mean it. Fred is fabulous.
So Fred was kind of like podcast famous. A lot
of people knew who he was, and he was just
my shadow. He was just a lovely, amazing dog. I
had him for twelve years, and right before Vinnie was dying,
I knew I had to put Fred to sleep, but
I didn't have the heart, so I kept like buying time.
I kept saying, all right, maybe tomorrow, if you don't

(07:39):
wag your tail, i'll know it's time. But he would
wag his tail like I would always have signs not
to do it. When Vinnie was dying, I knew I
had to put him to sleep, and Vinnie said, let
me go first and then I'll get him when he
comes over. And I thought, oh my god, yes, and
so that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that. No matter what we
know about the reality of the after life, we human beings,
we still grieve.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's just part of our It's hard, it's awful. Yeah,
Vinny dying within two weeks of cancer, when a lot
of people that have cancer for many years a manager
get treatment or that sort of thing. I believe Vinnie
had a couple exit points, and I do believe that
the next couple of years would have been very difficult.
For him healthwise, and he opted out. He actually died
on Lionsgate Portal on August eight, twenty twenty five. And

(08:25):
on August seventh, when we were in the hospital, he
actually said to me, I'm going to die tomorrow, which
he wasn't actually even ill. He wasn't even sick enough
to die within twenty four hours. And I said, are
you going to kill yourself? He goes, of course, Now
what are you talking about? And I go, well, how
are you going to die tomorrow? And he goes, I am,
and he said it's the Lionskate Portal, which I did
not even know what it was. I googled it in
the hospital and it's like one of the most spiritual

(08:49):
days of the world, and there's actually a portal to
go through. If you're able to pass on that day,
your spiritual being avows to a level. Because I do
believe we're all here for our soul's perfection. We're here
to learn life lessons for ourselves of evolution. And I
feel that Vinnie got it like all this like extra
like spiritual evolution from passing that day, and I think

(09:10):
that he chose an exit point. So he told me
the day before he said, because I was staying with
him in the hospital for the two weeks. He said,
in the morning, get up early, take a shower, because
they're going to try to kick us out of the
hospital room. When we were like in a private hospice suite.
We didn't know when he would die. He was technically
in hospice. And I said, I'm the psychicaren They're not
going to kick us out. Why would they we have
a private suite. He goes, just do it. The next morning,

(09:33):
I did it. I got ready, and sure enough, the
nurse comes in. She does great news, and this is
like seven thirty in the morning. He goes, we have
an ambulance because we were in Manhattan at the time
when we live in New Jersey. They go, we're going
to take you back. Vinnie's going to do hospice for
a home and I said, based on what, we didn't
agree to that. And she says, well, I know that
your wishes were originally that he passed at home. And
I said, well, that was originally our wishes, but we

(09:53):
didn't know it was going to be so soon. And
then I thought, oh, shoot, this is exactly what Vinnie
said the day before. So I said, well, we can't move,
and she goes, well, I don't know that he will pass,
like he's going to pass today. And she goes based
on what and I said, I just know he will,
and she goes, I can't really keep the room. We
saw the river on three sides of our room. It
was like a beautiful, beautiful place. She goes, well, what
reasons will we not move you? And I said for

(10:15):
religious reasons, which we're not even really religious. I just
made anything up. And she goes, all right, we can
give you the day. And she left and I said
to Vinnie, okay, I don't know how you're going to
pull this off. You know, I wasn't looking for him
to die, but I said, we have till today. And
he says, call anybody who wants to come and see
me within the next couple hours. And sure enough, within
three hours, he in front of my face, started shutting

(10:37):
his body down. I've witnessed a lot of people pass over,
I've never witnessed anything like this. Even his face changed
his spirit. I came and visited him with me in
the room, dressed as a priest, but there was no
priests that fit that description in the hospital. After he passed.
He wore like a cloak that was like canvas that
you would see like in the seventeen hundred. It's almost

(10:59):
like a friar I would wear. And he had a
hood on it. And when the priest came, Vinnie said
to me, do you want to stay here? When I
talked to him, but he wasn't giving him his last rites,
and this was the day before he died, I said, well,
I wanted to take the opportunity to like go to
the bathroom and get a couple of coffees. So I said, no, no,
I'll leave you with the priest if you don't mind.
He goes, no, that's fine. So when I got back
and I saw that he was wearing this canvas cloak,

(11:21):
I thought, this doesn't look like any priest that you know.
In twenty twenty five, when I walked back in the room,
the priest was still in there, and I was trying
to hang up at the door. I didn't want to
like interrupt them, but I finally had to. When I
walked in there, I noticed that the priest had the
collar on and he looked at me and he had
two different color eyes and he did not have two
different color eyes. When I got there and I said

(11:42):
to Vinnie after he left, I said, did you notice
that priest and on that long canvas rowe And he
said no, I didn't. I said, well, what did you
notice that he had on? And he goes, well, when
he first came in, he had right thelar clothes on.
When he left he had on the uniform. And I said, Vinnie,
did another priest come in? And he goes no, it
was the same priests. Did you know he had two
different eyes? He goes, well, when he first got here,

(12:03):
he didn't. When he left, he had two different eyes.
And listen, not many things smoothed me out or scared me.
Because I talked to a lot of people that have
passed over. I got chills. He did pass that day,
and then afterwards, about two weeks later, I was so
intrigued by this priest because it stuck with me. I
thought that wasn't the priest. And then I joined a
grief counseling group from that hospital and I asked them

(12:25):
do you know about this priest? And they said, we
don't have anybody that fits that description. And I said
to Fannie, what did the priest tell you? And he said.
The priest leaned in and said to him, if you're
going to go again, this was twenty four hours tomorrow
is the day to go. You have to leave on
Lion skate portal. I grew up Catholic. I don't follow,
but no Catholic priests has ever said anything like that
that I know of. And I said, do you guys

(12:46):
talk about anything else? Did talk about God? He goes,
not really. We just talked about me passing tomorrow and
it was one of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had.
And he did pass that day's yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
We're going to take our break now and when we
get back, and that's going to share her conversations that
still go on with her husband, plus the terrible kidnapping
and going on to work with the FBI and missing
children's cases. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades
of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

(13:42):
I'm Sandra Champlain. We're here with medium Annette Bricca, whose
husband has just passed a few months back, who knew
the precise day he was going to pass.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
He told me he was going to pass by eight
o'clock at night. He passed at nine forty two at night.
And then when he came to me the first time
the next day, he goes, oh, I was pretty close,
And I said about what and he goes the time
I thought, oh my god, Because again I kept telling him,
if you're going to come through, you have to give
me evidence. I don't want to just think I glint you, really,
you have to do the job to let me know.
And every single time, every single day, he's come through,

(14:14):
telling me things that I couldn't know, or helping me
with cases. And it makes me feel comforted, even though
my human being side of me really misses him and
Fred tremendously, but my spiritual side it helps me do
the work even more. I recently had a client that
I was doing about six months ago. I had a
reading set with her like three weeks out, and she

(14:36):
knows that I do a lot of cases with missing children,
and she reached out to me and said, listen, my
son named Miles, who is in his thirties, is in
Chile and he's missing and we can't find him. Can
you help me and I don't really help with missing
people necessarily like missing adults. I help with missing children.
And I said, all right, I'll do whatever I can.
And then the minute I got the fun with her,
Miles came through and he showed me he was on
the other side. But at that point, like the embassy

(14:58):
was still involved. There was a big sur to rescue
team and he came across like really alive. He was
dancing like this, he was listening to music, and he said,
here's what I want you to tell my mom so
she'll know for sure it was me. So later that
night when she called me, and she was really still hopeful,
so I didn't want to tell her that he was passed,
but I knew I had to give her the message.
And he told me, you're going to find my body

(15:19):
in four days. Sure enough, we found the body in
four days, and I said, here's the message. She gave me,
and I to this day, I have to say he
was one of the most fabulous people I have ever met.
And I did not meet him when he was alive,
and he comes to me all the time. I was
involved with the Jean Benet Ramsey situation recently, so I
was on a big podcast about that, and again, because

(15:40):
I don't do cold cases, I didn't want to do it.
I've been asked a few times to weigh in on that,
and I thought, oh, all right, I'll do it. And
Miles came through the one that was missing in Chili
that we found his body, and he helped me with
Jean Berney Ramsey and what Jean Berry Ramsey told me
when she came through, she did tell me what happened
to her, but she told me, I don't even want
you to report the store. I want you to report

(16:01):
the love. I want you to report the love that
I have for my family, a six year old little
beauty pageant queen. I knew that I was going to die.
I came into this lifetime knowing I was owning going
to live til six. So people that have crucified my family,
I want everybody to know that I came here to
spread love. And I don't want you to go on
any podcast if you can't do that. And I said, oh,

(16:21):
I can do it. I can spread love, and she goes,
I don't think you can. I said, well, I think
I can, and then in that moment, she put love
in my heart for people that I did not have
love for. I was kidnapped when I was a child.
It was kind of like an active thing. I'm still
going after one of my kidnappers. So I recently found
lives pretty close to me. He's went to jail for
twenty six years. He's reoffended after he got out. And

(16:42):
Jean Benet ramsay in that moment when she told me
I did not know love, put love in my heart
for my kidnappers, which would not have been anything that
I would have thought was possible. And then I got
it crystal clear. And Miles was really instrumental in that
as well.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
Yeah, we see in that case, especially John Benet in
the news so often. Dad still wanting to catch up.
Take us back to little a Net. What happened seven
years old? He said he had a near death experience.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yes, so at seven years old, my parents were divorced.
I lived with my mother and her boyfriend and my
brother and sister. So I was standing in the hot
lunch line in school and that we were standing by
a free standing record player that was sitting on a
metal stand. And I said to my two friends were
going to play a game called We'll Get Hold the
breath the longest. I said, I'll go last. I know
I'll win. I did go last. What ends up happening

(17:30):
is I passed out. I hit my head on the
corner of the metal stand, and the next thing I know,
I was in the nurse's office. But I didn't realize
it was in the nurse's office because I crossed over.
So the next thing I know, I was in a tunnel.
And it was not a small tunnel. It felt very large,
but you felt enveloped by love. I don't know how
else to stay it. And at seven years old, I

(17:52):
have to say that I didn't grow up in a
home filled with love. I was living with my mother
was addicta's draws and alcohol, and so I don't even
know what I think home would have felt like. I
certainly had seven years old based on my home life
didn't have like a great description of that. But I
felt like when I was in this tunnel that I
was home, and I felt like I was being scooted forward.

(18:13):
And I saw this bright white light that was sparkling,
almost like when you have a sparkler on fourth of
July and it sizzles and it crackles. So it was
like that light. But there was also colors, but not
colors in the white lights. It wasn't like what you
and I know to be like orange or purple or
green like colors I can't even imagine. So I saw
these colors with the white light. I was being scooted

(18:35):
forward and I felt like I was being embraced. I
felt like I was being hugged with love. And I
don't know if I've ever said that. You know, I'm
fifty eight years old now. I don't know if I've
ever felt that since then. And I was told that
I had to go, but I didn't want to go.
And at the time, my grandmother was a famous psychic
in Chicago, and I actually knew that I was psychic,
but I didn't care. I would actually tell my grandmother, listen,

(18:58):
I'm not interested. I'm not going to do this when
I get and she's like, okay, we'll see. And at
the time, all I wanted to do was listen to
Andy Gibb. Remember Andy gab his brothers were the Beechies,
and I would ride my bike. So when I was
being told I had to go back because I had
things to do, I said, I'm just riding my bike
and listening to Andy Gibb, I'm really available. I do
not need to go back. And the next thing I know,

(19:18):
I woke up. I was in the nurse's office and
she was peering over me, and I just thought, like
damn it. At seven years old, I realized, like, ah,
I'm back. And then I didn't tell anybody in my
family that day because I lived with my mom and
I didn't want to tell her because she was so
messed up. I waited to talk to my father, who
lived in another state. The next day. I told him

(19:39):
what happened, and he believed me, and his mother was
the psychic in Chicago, and she believed me. But I
think they thought because I was so young, it was
too much of an experience. And I said, no, no, no,
it was great because from that moment on, I realized,
at seven years old, that there was a bigger picture
than what we know here. I just instantly got it.
I don't even know how I got it from that experience.

(20:02):
It's like I say, very often, I went from being
seven to like thirty, even though I was still a kid,
I was acting like a kid. I didn't worry about anything.
I didn't worry about normal kid things because I just thought, like,
what I'm out here, I'll be on the other side,
and that's fabulous. And then my spirit guide actually started
coming to me, like he would appear in my doorway.
My sister, who was a year younger, Barbara, saw him

(20:24):
as well. I told my grandmother, Oh, he keeps coming
to me, what do I do? She just name him
and I couldn't be bothered. I named him David because
I had a friend who was like my age next door.
His name was David. I thought, you know how, I
was just gonna name you David because I don't care.
And I said, and I don't really want you coming
to me. I'll let you know what I'm interested in.
My grandmother, it's like, doesn't really work that way. I'm

(20:46):
like again, I still just wanted to ride my bike
and listen to Andy gamb and just be a kid.
And then I was shown when I was ten, like
a videotape of my life of all these things that
would transpire, but I did not see my face. And
at that point, I I've seen many things in my life,
like I knew when somebody in my family would pass over,
I would see their faces melting. I would know things

(21:07):
that would happen, but I never did anything psychically. I
didn't tell if my uncle died. I would tell my
family that I knew he was going to die, but
I didn't go tell my friends or neighbors or kind
of kept a private because I didn't want to do it.
Like I kept telling my grandmother, I'm not going to
do this for a living. I was a kid. I
didn't want to do anything for a living. I was
just ten at the time, and so one of the
things that I did see during this videotape was a

(21:29):
girl that was about twelve years old, and it was
like in real time. So imagine watching a movie and
you're like trying to cheer the main character on when
they're in a scary situation. And I saw this girl
at twelve being abducted from her home and that she
would be raped and kidnapped over a period of days
and tortured. I saw it all happening, and at that time,

(21:49):
I didn't have a frame of reference. Even though I
lived not a really great childhood, I wasn't privy to
those things. I knew what somebody being raped, I think
kind of was not even really, I just knew it
was a scary thing. I knew what kidnapping would be,
but I didn't know anybody at the time that had
ever been through that. So when I saw this, I
kept telling you, the girl in the video that I

(22:11):
was watching, You're gonna stay alive. You're gonna get out
of this. I don't know how, just keep your head
above water. And then we fast forward two years from
then and I had moved from Chicago, where I was
living with my mom. We moved to Arizona, then we
moved to Michigan again. It was her, her boyfriend, and
my brother and my sister. And that happened to me
over Labor Day weekend when I was going into seventh grade.

(22:32):
I was twelve years old. I was kidnapped on a
Friday night from my home. And do you know the
Amnyville House, How it's so big and it has all
these different rooms. My home in Michigan kind of looked
like that. I was sleeping on the third story of
that home. So in order to find me, you would
actually have to know how the house was laid out.

(22:52):
There's no way you could have because actually my brother
and my sister were sleeping also in that house on
the lower levels. So if you wanted to just grab
a kid, let's say, you woult to go up all
these old stairs to find me. And I was even
in like a makeshift bedroom. It wasn't even one of
the regular bedrooms, so you had to know exactly where
to get me. So they did kidnap me. They put

(23:13):
duct table over my eyes, on my mouth, They led
me downstairs. There was a car waiting for me. They
drove me to a house that ended up being about
four miles away, but I didn't know because I was
laying in the backseat of the car. And then from
that moment on, a lot of terrible things happened to
me over that three day period. And one of the
things that happened was there was a Christian radio station on.
By about the third day, I was laying on a

(23:35):
crack mattress. I had this tape on my mouth and
my eyes the whole time, and they were beating me,
and I really felt at that time like I was
probably going to die pretty soon. I was having a
hard time breathing. I was really really in bad shape.
And this radio station all of a sudden said, if
you believe in God, God will help you. Just ask
God for help. But I thought, you have got to
be kidding me. God, I'm sure you're busy, but I

(23:57):
could use help. I need help. And a sudden I
got the nerve to take off the tape off my eyes,
and I saw that I was on a second story window,
and I saw that the shears were billowing, so I
knew the window was open. And right next to me
on this mattress was a phone, like an actual landline
on the ground, and I thought, you got to be
kidding me. I picked it up. I called my mom's

(24:18):
house and the FBI were there. So at that time,
in nineteen seventy nine, as a miner, they didn't show
your name on TV, but I had been all over
the TV and so the FBAI. I got on the
phone and they said, look out the window. Try to
describe where you are, but I couldn't because there were homeses.
It looked similar to like where I lived. And they said, listen,
you're on day three. You're not going to live much longer.
They will kill you. You have to get out of there,

(24:40):
And in that moment, I just put my clothes on it,
and I heard them come back upstairs. I put the
tape back on my eyes. Then they did what they did,
and then after about a half hour, I realized I
would have to jump out of the window. And that's
what I did. I jumped out of a second story window.
I broke my foot. I hoppled to the next door
neighbor who was like a thirty year old guy who
was working on his corvette. He was laying under I

(25:00):
saw his feet and I was crying, and he came
off from underneath and he said, are you're the girl
that's been on TV? And I said yes, and we
went to his house. We called the police and the
nine one one, the police and the FBI and my
mom showed up. And then after that point they were caught.
We had a trial. And when I was preparing for
my trial, those two FBI agents that were in my
house said how did you get the narve to jump

(25:21):
out of the window? And I said, well, when I
called you guys and you sent you got to get
yourself out of there. I remembered this videotape that I
saw when I was ten of what would happen to
this girl? And they actually knew who my grandmother was.
In Chicago. They knew that she was a famous psychic,
and they said, well, so you knew this was going
to happen. I said, well, I didn't realize it was
going to be me, but I saw what it would

(25:42):
take place.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
We need a quick break and we'll be right back.
You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeart
Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome

(26:13):
back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain, our
guest and at BRICA as a twelve year old child
was treated brutally for three days, jumped out a window
from her attackers, made her way home, and now she
continues about the trial and what happened next.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
We had a trial, and when I was preparing for
my trial, those two FBI agents that were in my
house said how did you get the nark to jump
out of the window? And I said, well, what I
called you guys, and you sent you got to get
yourself out of there. I remembered this videotape that I
saw when I was ten, of what would happen to
this girl. And they actually knew who my grandmother was

(26:50):
in Chicago. They knew that she was a famous psychic,
and they said, well, so you knew this was going
to happen. I so, well, I didn't realize it was
going to be me, but I saw what it would
take place, and I knew this girl was going to
get out of it. So like even now, Sandra, some
people say to me, so you mean to tell me
you didn't know that was you after it happened, And
I really did it because, like so many events that

(27:10):
took place, you block it out, and I think on purpose.
Had I known that that was going to happen to
me two years, I would have been too afraid to
ride my biker, to listen to Andy Gibb, or be
a kid. And so when I said, I kind of
did know it was me, and that gave me the
courage to jump out. They said, well, we actually have
other missing children cases. Do you think you could help us?
And I said, well, I've never done it, I'll try it.

(27:32):
So when I was preparing for my own trial, I
solved two cases for the FBI when I was twelve
years old. And then we fast forward or February of
nineteen eighty. They were both sentenced to thirty to sixty
years each in prison. They served twenty six years. Then
I moved to California. I started my life. I moved
to California after high school because I final was known

(27:53):
then because now I was working for the police in
the FBI while I was in eighth grade in high school,
not getting paid for it, and there was no cell phone.
So they would go to my high school, these two
FBI agents, and they would go to my guidance counselor
she would take me out of class. We would go
to our room. They'd give me a little information on
a case, and that's how we would do it. And
even people in my school thought they were my uncles.

(28:16):
And one if I'm was like African American could not
have been my uncle, and I'm like, okay, whatever. And
so after high school, I thought, I don't really want
to be known for this, because I kind of was.
I wanted to reinvent myself. So I went to California.
But I screwed up because I then started doing a
readings for a lot of really famous people. And I
did it for about four or five years, and then

(28:36):
I thought because I didn't have any concept of these
guys in prison, because one year a minor and something
like this happens to you. The courts are supposed to
alert you when they get out of prison. But because
I moved in with my father after it happened, my
mother lost custody of us kids. So as soon as
the trial was over, we moved in with my dad
and we went back to Chicago that I relocated, that
I got married, then I moved to New York, so

(28:57):
that guess I fell through the cracks. So I only
found out two years ago. I was had an attorney
that was working on something for me, and she knew
my maiden name and she said, I've seen this girl
that was twelve in Michigan. Was this you? And I
said yes, and she said, well, one of the people
are still in prison. He re offended, but the other
one he had escaped from a prison in Schenectady in

(29:19):
New York before he kidnapped me, so he was on
the run for seven months. And it ends up that
he lives not too far from me. So when I
found that out, I decided to take my story public
because nobody really knew. People just thought I was psychic.
But I never wanted anybody to know my story, Like
I don't have Facebook. I don't have any social media
and I'm fifty eight. I've never had it my entire

(29:39):
life because I was afraid of these bad guys. And
my attorney even said that the one that lives not
far from you. He tried to sue the State of
New York because he said it was against the civil
rights not to be able to use any social media
or Facebook, because you can if you're a sex offender
to minors to that degree. Then I said, well, I
don't even have Facebook because of him. So they denied
his case against New York State. But after that, I

(30:02):
decided to go public and tell my story because I
didn't want to live in fear anymore. I thought, you
know what, I'm not twelve, I'm fifty eight. I've been
doing this work my whole life. And then something unexpected
happened because in all of these clients that I've been
doing readings for for many years that never knew my story.
It was like I've got a new level of respect
because I think they thought like I had kind of

(30:22):
a charmed life here I was doing readings for a
lot of very wealthy people, even though I was a
single parent. I was really hustling, and I made a
lot of money, but it costs all the money I
made to raise my daughter in Long Island, so I
wasn't like living high off the hawk. And I think
that people thought it's easy for me to tell them
don't worry, things will work out. But when I realized
my story and it was really horrific, I did get

(30:45):
another level of respect. And I'm finding that even with
Vinnie now that he passed, people that have now passed over,
and when I do readings for them and I'm also
in my deep grief, it hits different. It feels different
for the people that's receiving the message that.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Poor twelve year old. But I can't help but think
as awful as it was, it's really shaped you for
who you are today, especially working with the FBI. Can
you tell us a little bit about some of those cases,
like what kind of evidence you're able to provide to
help solve cases.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So, first of all, I never ever work on any
case if somebody in the family doesn't come to me.
I never ever just read the news and then insert
myself in the case, and never ever do that. So
I wait till that your family reaches out to me.
So I'm working on two cases. I'm working on a
case right now where the mother actually has been on
Nancy Gray several times. She's currently looking for her daughter.
I also am working on a case with somebody the

(31:38):
kid is missing, he's in Washington, he's got special needs.
That's an ongoing case too. So I am given many information.
I'm given where they're located. But think of this. I
started doing this when I was a kid, and I
hadn't traveled much when I was twelve, so I would
see children that were missing in different states or different countries,
but I would have no idea where it was. So

(31:59):
I say to my spirit guide, you have to give
me information because I didn't have enough world experienced at
that time. There was a case when I was fifteen
that I worked on that there was twins that were missing.
I didn't know they were twins. I knew that there
were two kids that were siblings, and I kept picking
up that they were in two different states. But it
was easy for me now to say, oh, they were

(32:20):
in two different states. Took me about twelve hours to
get to the bottom of this, and I was working
with the FBI really close and at that time It
was one of the biggest cases I had ever done,
and I didn't really know how to even put it
in words. So I would say, well, they don't seem
like they're together, and one of the FBI agents would say, well,
does it seem like they're in a different border, And
all of a sudden, David, my spirit guide, would show

(32:41):
me like a doorframe, and he would show me like
those dolls where you could like break off the arms.
So what he showed me was like a doll that
was in one room, and he would show me like
the cracked off arms in another room. But he kept
showing me like when the FBI agent would say, well,
are they in a different state, I didn't know that
they were, but my spear I kept showing me like
the border, like the doorframe of a room, and I

(33:04):
kept seeing the next room, like to think of two bedrooms,
one with a doorframe around it for the door, and
then the next room didn't have a doorframe. And I
would say, well, I don't know if there are two
different states, but the one room has this border around it,
that's the word I kept using, but the other one
doesn't have a border. They said, oh my god, do
you think that's another state, and then David's like, yes, yes, yes,

(33:24):
so it's kind of twial near. I'm not. I've been
doing it for many years. David and I have a
better way of communicating. I can understand a lot until
he says, but it's a lot of things. I see
where they're located, I see how they pass, I see
the person that did it. So even for my own safety,
when I decided to go more public and I started
doing these podcasts a couple of years ago and I
told my story, I was concerned because again still not

(33:46):
on Facebook, still not on social media. I was concerned
with all these cases that I do now because there's
a lot of flawout for me and my safety and
my family safety. So I didn't want people to know
who I was. And I also want to give the
family their privacy. I feel fortunate. I don't always find
the child alive. Most of the time they're not alive,
but it does give the family closure. And in that

(34:08):
particular case when I was fifteen, that mother asked to
see me, so we did find that the kids, they
were not alive. And I thought when I found that
out after twelve hours, I thought that's it. My career
is over. I'm never doing it again. And so when
the FBI agent said, the mother wants to meet you,
and I thought, no, thanks, because I thought she was
gonna yell at me. I was fifteen. I thought, I'm
not doing it. They go, no, she's going to be kind,

(34:28):
and I remember to this day she hugged me. She
wouldn't let go, and she kept hugging me, and I thought, oh,
I can't take this, this is too much. And she
said to me, I want to thank you because if
it wasn't for you, you gave me closure, I would
have spent the rest of my life looking for my kids.
And then she said, I want to give you this
strength to be able to keep doing this work. And
I thought, no, I got to keep doing it because
I really thought this was it. This doesn't feel good.

(34:50):
I don't want to do it. And then I had
this big dilemma. I said to my grandmother, what do
I do? Just doing you for nom, just be a kid.
But as cases come, h Rancher asked to do things
you see how you feel. Well. She was smart because
she knew what would happen when they came up. I
always said yes and that's what I do now. Never
ever say no. The only time I almost said now

(35:12):
was when Vinnie passed and Vinnie said, I'll help you,
and I thought, oh, how are you to help? You
don't know what to do, but he did. He knew
what to do. So it's heart wrenching. It's not the
work I would want to do, but I do it
because when I was a kid laying there not knowing
how I was going to get out. I always go
back to that, and I want to help as many
kids as I possibly can.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Oh, thank you for that. And it's extraordinary that law
enforcement and the FBI trust to do at such a
young age.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
It's so funny. I don't even know that they trusted me,
but they didn't like They just thought why not, they
weren't paying me. They actually said, if you can give
us anything that we don't know could help, let's try it.
And I only even agreed to it because I was
going through my own trial and that sucks so bad.
I thought, well, give me something else to think about.
I agree to it. And then in the few months

(36:02):
that I was preparing for my trial and I was
helping solve these cases, it did help because it helped
kind of redirect what I was feeling and helping these kids.
And I never ever, ever take it lightly. It's a
huge responsibility and I feel grateful to even be able
to do it. But you know, I'm like everybody else.
If I lose my trkeys, I can't find them. I

(36:23):
actually cannot find one of my set of tarkeys. It's funny,
not funny, right, Yes.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
We're here to serve, not necessarily ourselves. You mentioned a
couple time spirit guides. Would you have any advice, because I.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Know we all have them, all right, So I don't
want to sound cocky about this because I only have
my frame of reference. I was fortunate that when I
was a kid, David came to me and he actually
looked like Abraham Lincoln. He came in the doorway and
he was as tall as the doorway and he had
like a big, tall hat on. And that's why I
thought of Abraham Lincoln. And when my sister first saw
him was in the middle of the night we were sleeping.

(36:56):
She started crying. We shared a bedroom, and she said,
look at the doorway, and I look, and I saw him.
It was almost like a hologram. He was almost like
see through, but you could see the outline of him,
and I wasn't afraid. I didn't actually know it was
my spirit guide at the moment, but I knew he
was there for me, not bar. The next morning, we're
getting ready for school, and I didn't know if I
drunk it. I really actually didn't know if it really happened,

(37:18):
and she didn't want to go to school. She started
crying and she said, do you remember last night? I said, oh,
my god, I do, do you? And then we kind
of compare notes, and then I said to my grandmother,
what is this? And she goes, that's your spear guid.
You have to name him. He's here because he wants
to help you. And I go, well, I don't need
help because I'm not going to do your work, and
she goes, name him. And then from that moment on,
he kept coming to me. So what I tell people,

(37:39):
because I agree we all had spirit guides, but I
don't believe that we all not communicate with him. I say,
first of all, name them, because just like when you
get a dog or a puppy or you have a child,
do you name them? I said, name your spirit guide.
So I just named them David, my neighbor's name, and
I know that we all have more than one guide,
and I even knew David had more than one, but
I didn't want to deal with him, let alone his
att authory. So I said, listen, I'll talk to you.

(38:00):
You deal with everybody else Night Vote clients all the time.
How you can connect with your spear guide is to
do what I call this sign game.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
We'll find out about the sign game when we get back.
You are listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast and network.

(38:40):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
We're here with medium Anette Brica, who's just explaining to
us how we can connect with our own spirit.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Guides Night Vote clients all the time. How you can
connect with your spear guide is to do what I
call this sign game. Once you say to your spirit guide,
here's your name, and I want you to help me
with everything that I want you to help me with,
even say whatever you don't know, you still want help
with because in the moment, it's like a neighbor. If
a neighbor comes over and moves in and brings you
a couple of coffee and says, all right, every morning

(39:11):
at nine o'clock, I'll meet you for coffee if you
don't want to do that with your neighbor. Pretty soon
you're like, you know what, thanks, but no thanks, I'll
let you know. So I say to a person when
you're trying to develop relationship with your spirit guide, name
your spirit guid, Tell your spirit guy what it is
you want help with. But play the sign game and
say to your spirit guide. By tomorrow at noon, I
want you to give me a sign. I want you
to show me a three legged dog or some nonsense.

(39:33):
And by the next day at noon, you'll either see
a three legged dog, your neighbor will talk about a
conversation with one, or somehow you'll get that confirmation. And
even though people are like, okay, yes, so I heard
about a three legged dog, but you know, is that
really my spirit guid? And I say, we'll do it
a few dimes, and I believe after you do it
a few times and you get this try and trude

(39:54):
confirmation that it's your spirit guard saying yes, I'm here.
We made this contract before you came into this lifetime
and now use me in any capacity that you can.
It's some blind faith, but if you have it, it
can change your life.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
We have to ask them for help.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
You'd have to ask because here's the thing. I believe
they try to help us all day long, but we
don't catch on. I believe before we incarnate. So when
we're two spiritual beings sitting on the other side, we're
brave and we say to our spirit guide, listen, I'm
gonna go back in because I want to learn from
my soul's perfection. And they say to us, all right, well,
when you do that, I'll be your spirit guide. But
you're not gonna remember, but I'm going to remind you.

(40:30):
And I think throughout the day every day our spirit
GUYE gives this cues and clues, but we just dismiss
it if we're not really paying attention. There's lots of
things that say, well it could have been, but I
don't have enough proof. So I do think that they're
trying to always like jump up and well learn us,
like hey, I'm here. I think most people don't just
trust in it that you know, they have to play
all these like crazy games to verify that it is

(40:52):
your spirit guide.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Okay, well, Annette, you say on your website at netbrika
dot com, you mentioned that you help people transform challenges
into stepping stones. We have a lot of listeners right
now who are in the thick of tragedy, grief, loss.
What's a stepping stone or two that you might know

(41:14):
to send.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
All my clients, I tell them, when you go through
something very very difficult, which we all do, I believe
that we're going through it for our soul's evolution. I
don't believe it's like the universe is picking on us.
And if we can be very intentional during the time,
know that again we're not a victim, even if we are,
like I was a victim, but I realized, like I
have to now look at the other side of this.

(41:37):
How am I going to navigate my life? So we
have to make hard decisions, We have to have a plan.
We have to figure out how am I going to
get out of this difficult time without feeling to sigh
for myself? So I think participation is required. I think
that we have to step up if we're just always
vibrating low and always oh I feel bad I got divorced,
or I don't have enough money, or I lost my job,
or I was kidnapped or whatever the case is. If

(41:59):
you spend too much time living in the poor meat
and not what am I going to do to get
out of this, and you're not making intentional decisions and
not having a plan, I don't know that you can easily.
And I think that your life is very, very difficult.
And that's what I mean by the stepping stones. Whenever
I have a client that I've had for a long
time that says to me, listen, things suck, I actually
want to jump up and down. I'm like, oh my god,

(42:21):
good for you, because something major, transformative is about to happen.
You got to get through this. You have to help
yourself get through this. But then know that your whole
life is going to burst open. So we're always uncomfortable
when things feel uncomfortable. Because it's easy to be happy
when we're married to the right person, or we have
enough money or kids are great. It's hard to be

(42:41):
hopeful or happy when things aren't going well. But I
think that if we participate in our own life, we can,
and that's what you have to do.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Perfect words, Yeah, it's a tough life. But looking back
on my toughest times and other people as well, brought
me to where I am today. I wouldn't be here
with you had I not experienced.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Deep devastated lost fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Ago thanking for answers. So that's incredible. What do you
think the big purpose is of this whole life and
being human.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
To learn Pursaul's evolution? So I was raised Catholic. I say,
I'm a reform Catholic, and I don't go to church.
There's bits and pieces I believe in it, but I
believe in lots of different It's some pieces of all religion.
I believe not from any religious you know, teaching that.
I believe from the work that I do that we're
here to learn life lessons. So I think that we're
human beings going through a difficult time, but we're really

(43:32):
spiritual beings going through a human experience to learns our
soul's evolution. And if you can get through what you
need to, then you do have this higher evolution, this
higher spirit when you're on the other side. But I
don't think that we're judged in any way. When Vinni died,
Vinni had a life review right before he died when
he was still alive, and he told me how about it,

(43:53):
and then I did too. But the interesting part about
the life review is we do our own life review.
We're not sitting in front of judges. It's not like
America's got Dallons. Simon Cowell is not weighing in and saying,
hey and Nat when you were in ninth grade, you
should have done expoy and c. It's us that I'm
kind of feel like either embarrassed or ashamed, or I
could have done this better, or I could have warned
from this. And even in the moment, if you feel

(44:14):
somewhat ashamed of your behavior, the overall feelings that shamed
you just feel like I could do better. I'm gonna
do better. So life review, I think, is an opportunity
to do better while we're here, which I did have
when he passed away. And I have to say, Vinnie
was one of the nicest people I know, not because
he was my husband, and I feel like his passing
may mean better because it hit me square the face.

(44:36):
So even though I was talking the talk, and I
don't mean that I was acting because I always do
whatever I know to do, and so prior to his passing.
I had no frame of reference of anybody passing that
meant anything like that to me. I was in two
grief counseling groups that I just stopped because I kind
of felt like I was running the group. I wanted to

(44:57):
just be part of it. I don't want to be
the expert on the grief, but I'm not really because
my own grief is not what I would have expected.
It hits you sideways when you're not expecting it.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
And that this episode's going to air going into the
holiday season, and any advice is how we navigate that.
When we have a table set, do we leave an
empty spot at the table for our loved one? We
just keep talking to them. We have their picture out
all of the above.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
You know, it's so funny, it's going to make me cry.
So when Vinnie was alive, he used to say to me,
why don't we have pictures of ourselves around the house.
I don't take selfies. I don't really have any pictures
of myself, and oh, my way, I don't know. Since
he died, there's pictures everywhere. My twenty nine year old daughter,
who does live with me, is like it's a little creepy.
Here there's a picture of Vinni in the bathroom. Where
you turn around, there's tons of pictures of Vinie. So

(45:46):
I think you do whatever feels right for you. Again,
prior to his passing, those not one picture of him up.
Now there's in every room where you go in my house,
there's tons of them scow all over the place. This
is the first holidays without him. I'm going to go
to a friend's house with my daughter, and I think
you just do whatever feels right for you. I don't
think there's a right answer, because as much as I'm
prepared to go to my girlfriend's house for Thanksgiving dinner,

(46:09):
I'm also prepared that maybe that morning I won't feel
like it, and I'm good with that. I think people
have to give themselves grace because on a Monday, I
could be greater than Tuesday. I'm not good. I think
it just gets you out of nowhere. I think the
most important thing is to just if you're feeling like
you want to cry all day, you cry, you work
through it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
And let's talk about your website. And at Prika dot com,
I know there's a place people can fill out their
name and information if they want to book a reading
with you in the future. That the best way to
get in touch with you.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It is the best way. And I actually only started
a listed a year ago, so it tells a little
bit about my story, but it's mostly like a business
card online, so it is a way to reach out
to me to get a reading.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Yes, all right, thank you for that or anything I
didn't ask yet, or anything you are inspired to say
as we close out our time today.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, you know, I would tell everybody, regardless of what
your life is like. I think this is why I
do the work. I do it not because I want
to impress anybody and tell people things that I couldn't know.
I want to give people hope. That's really what it is.
I want people to know that no matter what you're
going through and as difficult as it is, and it
is difficult, and many things are extremely challenging, and I
have a lot of people that even when I do

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a reading, they say to me, if you didn't say X,
Y and Z, or if you didn't make me feel hopeful,
I plan on killing myself, which is never anything I
want to hear. But I do it because I want
people to live the best life they can. And I
always tell people it doesn't matter how long we live,
it matters how we live. Don't worry if somebody lives
to be eighty three or thirty three. From a human

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being standpoint, that feels like it matters. But what matters
is making the most of every day and making the
most of your own life, because anything can change. And
I do believe that if we're service to others, you
don't have to be a psychic or a medium. You
could work for the Red Cross, or you can just
be kind. You can be kind to people. I believe
that that's the whole purpose of life, and I think
that that makes a tremendous difference, and I do want

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people feel hopeful.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Thank you very much. I am reminded by Brendan Bouchard,
who teaches a lot of wonderful things. He had a
near death experience and the question he always asks is
have I lived, have I loved? And have I made
a difference?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes? Yes, yes, And then I think sums it all
up because every single day and I know that I
can do better, and there's lots of days that I'm
not proud of, but there's lots of days I'm really
proud lots of days that people will reach out to
me and say whatever you said made a difference and
is helping me. That's what I'm here to do. And
I think that if we all do that, we all
step up to help other people whenever we can. I

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think collectively that helps humanity. And I think that's really
the big picture.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
And that Thank you so much for being our guest today.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I want to highlight a little nugget of gold that
a net shared. Did you catch what she shared about
her spirit guide? Her grandmother, a very famous psychic, told
her name him, and so she named him David. It
sounds so simp but I think it's pretty profound. Giving
our guides names changes the relationship. It takes it from

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a concept to a real personal connection. Now, if you
remember back in our last episode, we did that special
meditation at the end to meet our friend or guardian,
angel or guide, whatever you want to call them, and
when you get that sense of presence, don't be afraid
to ask a name or just assign them a name.

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You know, if we have someone in our life, even
if we assign them the name, do you think we'd
be more apt to be in communication with them.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I do so.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I think that's a little missing piece in my world
with spirit guides, and I love that Annette. Since Vinnie
has passed, she has put pictures of him everywhere, in
the kitchen, in the bathroom, in every room, talking to
him constantly and trusting that what she hears back in
her mind is real. And that makes me wonder what

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would it be like for us to do that, To
fill our spaces with those smiling faces, those happy memories,
keeping the conversations going and really trusting that they are
interacting in our lives. You may be hearing this in
a very tough time in your life, but please know
you are never alone. There's so much love for you

(50:22):
those who have passed, your invisible helpers, and I'm here
with you too. Don't forget. Come visit me at weedotdie
dot com. I'd love to meet you. Come a few
minutes early to our free Sunday gathering inspirational service with
medium demonstration included. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening
to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast

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to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
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