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On Sunday, April 27th, 2025 we lost MUFON State Director of Southern California Earl Gray Anderson. The following is our tribute to one of the leading researchers in the field of Ufology!
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On Sunday, April twenty seventh, we lost Earl gray Anderson,
the mutual UFO network State Director of Southern California. The
following is in tribute as the UFO can he mourns
the loss of Earl gray Anderson.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with mutual UFO network State Director of Southern California,
Earl gray Anderson. Earl's also a member of the Muffon
Star Team and executive committee member of Muffon's Experiencer Resource Team. Yes,
he has personally investigated over one thousand alleged UFO reports
and he specializes in these experiencer high strangeness cases. He
(01:46):
spoke last year at Contact in the Desert and it's
always great talking with him. How you doing, Earl, I'm.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Doing quite well, Ron. How are you doing.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I'm doing great, man. We're getting ready for the Contact
of the Desert Show this year.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You've got your hands full. I mean, you've been putting
out the list of speakers and stuff. I follow you guys,
you know, and it's looking good.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
So you got a really great lineup and it's going
to be a lot of fun this year. So Earl, listen.
I've been pretty much officially immersed in this community for
about eleven years now, and I'm very very skeptical of
us ever getting to a real, true, big D disclosure
from the government, but I have to acknowledge that right now,
(02:27):
it does feel to me like there seems to be
some activity going on that's building to something. We have
doctor Greer coming out saying there's a bunch of witnesses
coming out. We have George Knapp speaking about it, Jeremy
Corbell thinks something's coming, Steve Bassett of course, and we
just had Ross Colhart do his special with another new
whistleblower and he says more are to follow as well.
(02:51):
You've been in this a long time. What is your
personal feeling about right now.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I am happy to see all the people that are
coming forward. I'm all for big D disclosure if it happens.
I'm not sure if we're going to get the sort
of disclosure that we're hoping for, because I think that
the military industrial complex, they're kind of the gatekeepers of everything,
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and I don't think there's like a winning scenario for
them in this. If it does happen, they're going to
have to put out this sort of blanket. People are
going to have to be made so they can't be
prosecuted for certain things because as you know, I mean,
I believe that there's been some questionable acts that have
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been done to people that have tried to come forward
in the past, and you know, this is a secret
that has been locked up for I believe probably longer
than eighty years. You know, the Roswell crash, and I
think the DC flyover back in nineteen fifty two sort
of is is what really started the attempt of the
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government to put this under the rug, the main concern
being that the public would panic, that it could cause
social unrest, could harm world religions. But it does look
to me like the secret is so widespread now and
so many people have been talking that are important folks,
that they are military, that are police officers, commercial pilots.
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I mean, those are the people that put in reports
that I get at MOFON and we take them very seriously,
and I think others do as well. So maybe we
will CB a big d disclosure or at least I
think that it's going to be more transparent than it
has been, and that's a good for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
What about moufon, does mofon do they seem to feel
like there's things a buzz right now or is it
just business as usual over there?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
I think that you have to notice that there's been
sort of an uptick in witness reports coming in recently,
a lot of like plasmic for lack of better terminology
ORB type sightings. Although you know, I don't like to
call everything that looks like a sphere in ORB. You know,
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I think there's a difference between some of the glass
looking objects that people see where beans are inside of them,
and then you have like a two hundred foot across
golden orb that comes out of the ocean. That was
one case that I got from commercial pilot who happened
to be on Catalina Island with his wife and brother
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in law, and he is very good at dead reckoning.
He was able to give me these details. He had
a pair of binoculars with him. I mean, he could
see water dripping off of this thing. It was a
solid object. But everybody uses a term orbs, so I
guess I will go, Hey, what.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Do you think about this recent news Nation show that
Ross Colhart did with Jake Barber, that retired US intelligence
officer who claims to have retrieved NHI craft. What do
you think of that?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
You know, historically there have been many orbit or egg
shaped craft reports through history. In fact, the lonnie Z
and moora case that doctor j Allen Heinek held as
one of the best UFO reports ever that was an
egg shaped craft had like what looked like landing legs
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on it, but it was egg shaped. So, you know,
I did watch Jake Barber's interview. I thought that he
seemed very honest, very forthcoming, and what impressed me actually
was the psionic involvement where he talked about whatever was
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in this egg shaped object, it was communicating with him.
The words that he used used this great feeling of
love and also a note of sadness. I've heard those
exact words used in contact events from military in the past.
There are things that I think are questionable. I mean
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the video. You know, MUFON actually checked out the video
and our photo analysis lab and there is some question
of whether it actually was even a night vision camera,
so that is troubling. But you know, I mean, like
most things, this case goes into my overflowing maybe box.
(07:37):
You know, I'm not going to make a yay or
nay statement on the report, but it's certainly interesting and
I'm certainly not going to call it a hoax.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It feels like it's getting you know, more cloudy as
we get closer. You know, you can imagine if somebody
had this knowledge in technology, they would have the means
to manipulate the narrative. You know, that's clearly been done
since Roswell at least, you know, the way they paint
these witnesses is crazy. Period. It feels like they've been
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able to kind of stay ahead of this and control
the narrative. What do you feel about that aspect of it?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Well, I do think that there, you know, there are
certain three letter agencies that are very interested and really
I don't think I think that they probably are putting
out disinformation along with the information that's coming out. I
think that in some ways they probably want to muddy
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this field because again I think that the you know,
military industrial complex has everything to lose with disclosure happening.
There's things they don't want to talk about. They certainly
don't want to say that this is a technology that's
you know, ahead of our own and we can't protect
you from it. They don't want to go there. I
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don't think they want to talk about abductions and visitations,
you know. And there was a CIA report that came
out through a Foyer request. I was reading it recently,
and the three reasons that they gave were kind of
the same three reasons that my mom gave me. My
mom was in the military industrial complex. My mom said,
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they will never tell the public because think of the HG.
Wells Orson Wells radio production of war the worlds, how
people barricade themselves and you know, got their shotguns, emptied
bank accounts. Imagine that kind of chaos happening worldwide. My
mom mentioned it could harm world religions and the banking system.
(09:43):
I think that those were the three. I guess my
mom was quoting a document the wet sector.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The energy sector.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Oh, I know, zero point energy would certainly make a
dent in Ge and certain other companies.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Your mom was at Hughes Aerospace,
wasn't she.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, My mom worked for Hughes back in the nineteen
fifties when I was five years old. Well, I had
this strange ritual. I used to go outside every morning,
climb the monkey bars that we had in the backyard,
wave and sing at the sky. And my mom, I
remember she opened the kitchen window and said, who are
you waving and singing to? And I said the space people, Mom,
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the space people. And I did every day. Nobody told
me to do it or taught me to do it.
It was like intuitive, I guess, And once she sat
down with me nineteen sixty three, I'm an old coot
here sixty six years old, but I was five years old,
and she kind of gave me disclosure, full disclosure when
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I was five years old, that she had worked in
a deep underground military base with certain German rocket scientists
for Hughes, and that there were space people that you're
waving and stinging to something. It actually is there, Earl.
I think that she wanted me to know it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
That you did that, because you know, as we know now,
this is typically a lifelong thing and as we talked
about before, it's generational. So seeing a kid do that
at such a young age, you know, speaks to that.
All right, man, listen, we have to quick break here.
When we come back, we're going to talk to Earl
about the Muffon organization and if there might be some
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direct connection with Arrow or maybe another part of the government.
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Speaker 5 (12:38):
We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
talking to Earl Gray Anderson from MOFON. Earl, is there
any relationship as far as you know, between the MOFON
organization and say, you know, Errow is there. You know,
if they really wanted to get to the bottom of
what's happening, wouldn't MoveOn be a logical place for an
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organization like this to start.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Yeah, but you know, Okay, as far as official, like
an affiliate or something like that. No, MOFON is strictly
a civilian organization, and we're all volunteers that work for MOFON.
No field investigator is paid to do what we do.
It's all for love of the phenomenon and our personal curiosity.
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You know, there's a bunch of people like myself that
have had this, you know, fifty foot question mark covering
over their heads their whole lifetime. And this was the
best way that I could imagine to figure out what
was what, because you know, there's a million different stories
out there, some contradict each other. So I just figured
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about eleven years ago, I'm going to put my own
hands to this and see what I find. I was
kind of skeptical in some ways when I joined moufon.
I knew what my mom told me, but I also
knew that, like Carl Sagan, that there was nothing to UFOs.
One of my favorite writers, Carl or Arthur C. Clark,
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claimed that he didn't believe in UFOs. Now I know better,
he actually did believe in UFOs. He had a correspondence
with doctor Heinich and my friend Paul Heinech has that correspondence.
He showed me a couple of letters between his father
and Arthur Clark, and Clark said, I think that you're
doing fine research and that there's something to this, but
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I can't say that publicly or I'll never get invited
to another moonshot.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It's a shame that back then that's how it was.
You couldn't speak publicly about this at all.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
There's a high ridicule factor. There still is, but it
was greater back then and more to lose from, you know,
people like Philip Klass. He was a professional debunker, and
we found out that he had CIA ties once he
passed away, and Foyer requests became a thing sure enough,
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you know, he was on the government budget there. So
I believe that the Robertson panel in nineteen fifty three,
they convened to figure out how to deal with the public,
how do we make this flying saucer business go away?
In response, I believe to both Roswell and the flyover
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of Washington, DC that happened in nineteen fifty two happened
two times in one week, by the way, well anyway,
but Moufon, I think we're doing the Air Force's job
for them.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It's interesting that Project Blue Book they closed their doors
in nineteen sixty nine and Moufon opened their doors in
nineteen sixty nine. It was kind of like the public
reaction to the Air Force and there's nothing to see here, folks.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I would think it's most likely that somebody from our
government is probably working inside of Moufon to kind of
know what's coming through the files. Don't you think That's
what I would do.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
But of course, if that's the case, nobody's coming forward.
I mean, I have a very good friend that is
former you know, Air Force, you know a FO s I,
you know Air Force intelligence. He's former, but you know,
you never know. Yeah, I don't know, you get to
really retire from that stuff. I think it's kind of
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a life er thing, that's but as a great guy.
I love him and he does great work for UFON.
I actually had a field investigator working under me from
NASA up until a couple of years ago. The problem
was she wouldn't call a UFO a UFO WE pilot siding.
That was just kind of you know, signed, sealed, delivered,
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and she just simply couldn't call it an unknown And
I told her I said, you know, the best I'm
going to let you do is say insufficient data. And
that's that's a stretch because this is a whole flight
crew that saw this.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
She said, well, my, you know, NDAs won't allow me
to tell you what it is, but I know what
it is. It's not aliens. It's like, well, if the
public doesn't know what it is and it's secret, that's
still annown. Unknown doesn't mean aliens. It means we don't
know what it is. And she got a little testy
about that.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Man, Listen, you looked at over a thousand cases. How
many of those cases have you been able to explain
with a terrestrial explanation?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know, I'll be honest with you. And it's not
just I haven't just looked at those cases. Those are
cases that I have personally investigated, where I've spoken with witnesses,
sometimes gone out to the sites if there were you know,
good reports, you know, taking theodolite photos. And I inspect
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these cases just like Project blue Book. We kind of
use the same precepts left to us by doctor Heineke
and by doctor Valley. Out of the I think I'm
at one thoy forty nine cases at this point, and
about ten percent of them are unknown. Ten percent I
cannot explain, and I'm very careful. I mean, what I
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expect from my field investigators, I mentor everybody myself. I've
got a team of fourteen right now, is I want
them to be able to walk where you're equally balanced
with you know, true believer and full on skeptic. And
it's you know, it's a learning curve. You have to
learn how to do this, but eventually you can take
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your own emotions out of this and you can be
completely honest. And that's the way that I do it.
And I'm pretty impressed that among all the sightings of
drones and venus and aircraft turning and flashing the sun
back at people, that there's ten percent out of of
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that number of cases that I cannot explain.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
What about moufon as a whole, do they have Wow?
Speaker 6 (19:07):
I mean it runs into the tens of thousands. I
don't have the exact nu.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Is it typically ninety percent of them are explainable.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh, I think that it's like maybe eighty five to
ninety percent unknowns. With most of MOUF one, we're pretty
careful and the training, you know, We have training program
Moufon University, and it teaches you to be you have
you have to be able to be a skeptic as
well as a believer. I don't think you would join
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Moufon if you didn't think there was something to the
UFO phenomena, or you shouldn't. But you have to be
able to walk that type rope, and it looks like
we do a pretty darn good job.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
What about these other technologies that are coming on, Like
has Moufon started using AI to help decipher what something
in the sky might be? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
We well, we have a full on lab. We have
a photo analysis, video lab and team. We can actually
you know, check out DNA strands and things like that
with the lab that we have, and AI is is
coming into the into the picture as well. We are
definitely definitely keeping up with the current level of technologies
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and what's out there.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
With regards to the UFO topic. Have you noticed a
public perception outside of our community? Do you think people
are now more aware or more open to this topic? Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you can't really get away
from it anymore. You go on x or on Reddit
or what I mean. It's it's a hot topic, that's
for sure. And when I first came into this field,
I got a lot of you know, eye rolls and
raised eyebrows and stuff. And I don't anymore. I mean,
I have you know, I had Fox News call me
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up and ask me for an assessment on a UFO
last week. I mean, I told him I can't explain this.
I checked the pixelization, I checked out everything you know
that I could, and it was definitely it was an
object that was very, very bright. It was way up way,
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you know, thousands of feet, and there was a pilot
siding from the local airport that came in that was similar,
not the same, not the same date, but within like
two days of it, and so it's very it's different
than it used to be. I don't get the eye rolls.
People are generally interested. If I go on like a
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mainstream show, they don't play the X file theme anymore
before I go on.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
That's good to see. When we come back, we're going
to talk to Earl more about artificial intelligence and how
it may be making the hunt for nhi craft even
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Speaker 5 (23:27):
We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
speaking with Earl gray Anderson today. Hey, Earl, the role
of artificial intelligence. I'm seeing how AI now is getting
really really good, and my friends have been showing me
some of the technology of like taking a little in
an old photo and making it into a ten cent
a ten second video. It's incredible. What's coming on? I
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feel like this could be you know, we're on the
precipice of getting even cloudier with fake versions of everything
coming out, and it might be even hard harder to
tell what's real. How do you feel about.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
This, Well, you know the AI animation and stuff is
certainly makes our job a little more difficult. But you
know that every video and photo has micro data and
exf data. The first thing I do when I get
a photo submitted to me is I checked for the
micro data. If it's been photoshopters gone through AI or
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something that will show up simply. I mean it's built
into I think Google Chrome has that feature. People just
don't notice it. But if you have her over the photo,
it'll tell you the origin of that photo and if
it's been manipulated at all, that comes up. And it's
the same thing with videos. It's a little more, a
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little more to the process with videos, but it's.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The same thing.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
You can go and find the x of data from
that video if you know what you're doing and you
know how to look for it. That's why I check
for pixelization, I check for glitches. I mean, this is
why witness testimony is so important. I won't even take
like ren camera videos people submit and somebody submitted a
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surf camera video and there's no witness to interview. It
was just a camera, and I need to talk with
somebody that had eyes on it. Otherwise I can't believe
the video that I'm looking at. It could be anything,
and especially with ren cameras. I mean, a moth can
look like an orb. I've seen it in a million times.
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I saw one video came in where it was a
church basement video, which shouldn't have even gone to move
on because it wasn't a UFO siding. I guess if
it was something funny, it would have been moral on
the paranormal lines. But she had all these orbs in
the church basement and you look at it and you
slow down the video and it's like those are moths, dear,
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And I told her, actually, you don't have a ORB
problem in your church. You have a moth problem. Maybe
get it exterminator.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Fun. So, hey, earl, do you have any thoughts personally
on what you think the real nhi ufo craft. Maybe
not the military test stuff, not the unacknowledged black engineered craft,
but the true, you know, off world craft. What do
you feel like you lean one theory or another after
looking at this for so long, Like, do you think
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it might be interdimensional? Nuts and bolts from another galaxy?
What do you what do you think?
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I tend to lean towards the interdimensional theory. That that's
pretty much where Heinek wound up, That's that's where Valet
wound up. And and it seems like most really you know,
serious researchers eventually end up on the interdimensional thing, because
I mean, we do see evidence for portal opening up,
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and that's that's interdimensional. That's not in our universe. When
you know it's it's tricking our universe to travel. And
also the great distances in Fermi's paradox and all that
kind of go out the window if this is an
interdimensional phenomenon, and to me, it's all the universe. It's
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just it doesn't matter to me if they came from
Alpha Centauri or some parallel earth, you know, in another dimension.
It's non human as we know human anyway, But you know,
there's other theory too. You know, it could be us
from the great you know, deep past. It could even
be a you know, I talked to James Cripoul's one
(27:37):
of his mentors recently, Kevin Khan, and he thinks that
this phenomena, the origin of it is like this panspermia
of fungus that's interacting with plasma, and that there's this
interaction like humans are like acting like mito mitochondria to
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this intelligence, so they need It's almost like this coexistence
symbiosa's going on, and you know, he makes a very
good argument for his you know, well, yeah, UFOs are
real and the beings are real, but they're actually you know,
they're being created by this this core intelligence that spans
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the galaxy. And I guess they've recently found plasmic clouds
between us and the Moon that we're quite substantial. So
there's a lot of theories out there, and I try
not to be you know, I try to be open
minded about this stuff. It's part of my job.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Absolutely, and it's very very complicated, and we're dealing with
an unknown so it's even more difficult. And even disclosure itself,
I feel, is not as simple as a press conference saying, Hey,
we've got UFO craft and aliens right here. You know
who's behind it? Is it just the US government? Is
it black budget, unacknowledged pros in our government? Is it
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you know all these other things like you're mentioning. You know,
there's so many layers to this that I don't think
many people realize, certainly outside this community, they think it's
a very simple thing, and it's not. I think a
lot of the reason some of these government officials come
out and don't say they don't know anything is because
they don't know anything. I think these guys are have
(29:24):
plausible deniability. They don't tell them. So that's what they
put in charge of Arrow, so that he could say, yeah,
there's nothing to it. We're not getting the right guy, you.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Know, exact a mundo. I don't know if they would
know what to disclose to do disclosure. And I don't
think that this is all being generated by our black
projects by our government either. By the way, because UFO
sidings go back historically to the Roman times. They call
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them flying shields, and there was no CIA and it's
a DARPA or anything like that back two thousand years ago.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
How about the art they have with them. Yes, pictures
in the corner of a little ufo with a guy
sitting there driving it. That's compelling. How did they love
it not long ago?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Well, you know, there's good excuses, you know, and was
saying that it was an illustration of the sun and
the moon being flow, you know, in the Renaissance painting.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
But I don't know it.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
The excuses just pile up and it seems like, you know,
a game of django. It's just toppling as they try
to keep putting these bricks on top of it. I
think disclosure, to me, it already happened. I mean, my
feeling is that we are disclosure when we go out
and we talk like we're talking right now, intelligently scientifically,
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but being open minded like we are. That is disclosure.
And the people that are going to get it are
going to get it. And the people that it scars
or just feel offended by it, they're never going to
believe this. I mean, who is going to do a
disclosure for us? We don't have a Walter Cronkite anymore.
I don't know who they would have do this. Then
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maybe this is the way that it works, you know,
I mean, I don't think this is the first rodeo
for our visitors. I think that this is a process.
There may be something sort of like the Star Trek,
you know, prime directive. It seems like, you know, a
learning process for us.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I noticed that.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Experiencer, especially in military, they all get the same three messages.
Nuclear weapons are evil, they will destroy civilizations, So don't
try it. Stop trashing your world. You only get one.
It's not a replaceable resource. And better yourselves, raise your vibration,
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live on a higher frequency. Those are the three messages.
It's like a trifecta of message that and I hear
these own navy personnel. I hear it from pilots, I
hear it from you know, one guy that has ninety
engineers working under him. I'm not going to mention the
aerospace company. He had visitors come through his wall, the
(32:17):
little gray guys, and this was the three messages he
was given. You know, he's probably working on nuclear warheads
and stuff.
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron. We are back on Beyond Contact.
We're speaking with Earl Gray Anderson. Earl, I think starting
about November eighteenth of last year, we started hearing about
these reports of UFO drome swarms. First it was in
New Jersey, then it kind of spread up the coast,
and then it even came out to the West coast.
Then it sort of died down. But again the last
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couple of days I've heard some reporting of different settings. Again,
So what is your take on these the drones?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
The best explanation that I've seen so far was John
Greenwall posted this on X about a month ago. I
think it was when the New Jersey swarms were kind
of you know, mainstream news, and he posted a there
was a previous post by a gentleman who worked for
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a company that made he claimed that they made these drones.
And what he said and the guy's providence looked really good.
You know, everything that he said was just you know,
it made sense, had the reign of truth to it.
And you know, Greenwald, he's very good at being skeptical,
but he thought it was good enough to post what
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this gentleman said was He said that the DoD requested
I believe, and maybe he put an extra zero in it.
But one hundred and eighty thousand of these drones. Maybe
he meant eighteen thousand. But I don't know. I'm not
the DoD. I don't know what they need. He said
that they are the size of an SUV because of
the payload is very heavy. He said that what these are,
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they're dirty bomb sniffing gamma ray sniffing drones that were
created specifically to respond to dirty terrorist threats, and apparently
we get quite a few of them. I mean, I
do have a contact in Homeland Security and he told
me we get threatened all the time. Early if the
public knew, if you knew what I deal with, you
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wouldn't sleep at night. You know, the dirty bomb threats
are a real thing.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
This guy said that his company that they created these drones,
that they had the three light configuration that you're seeing
on all of these, and that they were first sent
to Ukraine when Russia made a dirty bomb threat to Ukraine.
Then they were sent to Israel after the Palestinian conflict.
But I believe that this is probably the best answer
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I've heard for these drones. Now, I've noticed that they're
always near military bases, or they're near large public gatherings
or sensitive areas. For instance, I have one guy that
lives near Plant forty two in Palmdale who's been putting
in MUFAN reports.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
He sees these.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Drones every night. He must be in the flight path.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Now.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Plant forty two is owned by you know, Lockheed and
Norfolk Grumman, and it is one of the most secure
sits in the United States, maybe more secure than Area
fifty one. And I've had many drone reports in that area,
but specifically, this guy's had good video, good photos, always
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the same three light configuration, and I believe they're surveilling
in that area very carefully, and they probably should. You know,
I'm glad that we have a way to respond to
these threats because we do have enemies.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Earl, I agree one hundred percent. I think that's the
best explanation we've heard for these drones is that they
are these military drones that are ours that are looking
for possible nuclear material or dirty bombs. In the very
beginning of the story, we heard that nuclear material went
missing and then it went away. We didn't hear that anymore.
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But these don't seem to be et craft. They don't
seem to be an adversary because we would take them down.
It's not just hobbyists, because they're much much bigger, they
stay up longer, and they have the ability to go
to areas where hobbyist drones can't go. So they probably
wouldn't want people to panic, as you just inferred that
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people would if we were in fact checking for dirty
bombs and nuclear material. So all of this makes sense
to me. What doesn't make sense to me is the
official White House statement that just came out saying that
the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large
numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for
research and various other reasons. And we've never had this before.
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All of a sudden, that's when they decided to do that.
So I think that that really fits is the best explanation.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Yeah, me too. But now you have to remember that
our visitors are very interested in our propensity to destroy
ourselves in nuclear waste and nuclear any kind of nuclear weapon,
I think you know, sounds an alarm for them. So
it doesn't surprise me if people would see actual EUFOS
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anomalist craft around these sort of drone swarms that people
are seeing.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I comsleutely agree.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Anyway, I haven't heard a better explanation than that myself.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
So now you said that you have experienced synchronicity after
you had your experience. I am a huge fan of
synchronicity and would like to know what your take on
what synchronicity is.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
It's a meaningful coincidence, and a lot of contact ees
and abductees Bullet have had anomalous contact experience synchronicities. It
seems like magic sometimes. The way it were for me
is that I'll be thinking about, like, you know, I'll
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mentioned names, even maybe Whitley Strieber. Okay, I've been wanting
to meet the gentleman. I've spoken with him on the
phone before, but I'd never really had a time, you know,
to actually kind of touch base and talk with him.
I was invited to a dinner meeting with Peter Robbins,
who was in town. He didn't say that he had
invited somebody else. It was Peter and Greg Bishop Well
(40:31):
and Walks, Whitley Strieber and sits down across from me.
That was a synchronicity. It was wonderful and it was
but it happens all the time. I would be surprised
if it didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Hey, Earl, aren't you also writing a book, The Gray Files?
I think yes, I am.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yeah, it's going to be called The Gray Files. It's
going to be probably half case reports and half personal anecdotes.
I'm going to have a kiss report and then a
personal anecdote case and I have like a lot of
interesting stories, like the first time I went out on
a field investigation that was actually in the field. It
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was close to an Air Force site, but it was
apparently a secretive Air Force site. It was a torpedo
testing ground, but there was a UFO siding that was
quite significant. There were three different witnesses too, that were
very close to the object, and one who was about
(41:30):
four miles away who was a former Air Force pilot
and he independent put in a case about this object
as well. So I went out there and I did
a really good investigation.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
It involved a full sized flying saucer hovering over a house.
Began with two women chasing these orb shaped red UFOs
across town. It was like a seeing close and outers
of the third Guide, but that happened in real life.
I really fear myself at this case. I put a
(42:06):
lot of effort into it. I was out taking theodolite
photos where the women saw these two orbs hovering doing
a falling leaf motion over this mountain, and I was
obeying the warning signs no trespassing. It was federal land.
But apparently somebody didn't like the fact that I was
(42:28):
taking theodolite photos. So I get back in my car
take after taking the photos. This was in Azusa, California,
I might mention, And I'm driving on this little two
lane highway as Zuza Highway to go back to the freeway,
and when all of a sudden, two military vehicles. They
(42:49):
were cut like low slung hummers. No license plates, not
even the US government license, no license plate whatsoever. So
I had an escort out of town.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Now.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I called up my then state director, Jeff Krause. That
was very freaked out. I was like, does this happen
to people? I mean this, It's like, no, no, it doesn't. Well,
I'm going to open the book with that. I figure
you start with an earthquake and build from there.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Perfect.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
Hey, ma, I just have to find time this year.
You can find me at socalmofon dot com. You can
also find me on Facebook. I'm just Earl Gray on Facebook,
but you know, all my moufon stuff is sort of
front and center there.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
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Speaker 5 (01:22):
Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with mutual UFO network State Director of Southern California,
Earl gray Anderson. Earl's also a member of the Muffon
Star Team and executive committee member of Muffon's Experiencer Resource Team. Yes,
he has personally investigated over one thousand alleged UFO reports
and he specializes in these experiencer high strangeness cases. He
(01:46):
spoke last year at Contact in the Desert and it's
always great talking with him. How you doing, Earl, I'm.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Doing quite well, Ron. How are you doing.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I'm doing great, man. We're getting ready for the Contact
of the Desert Show this year.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
You've got your hands full. I mean, you've been putting
out the list of speakers and stuff. I follow you guys,
you know, and it's looking good.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
So you got a really great lineup and it's going
to be a lot of fun this year. So Earl, listen.
I've been pretty much officially immersed in this community for
about eleven years now, and I'm very very skeptical of
us ever getting to a real, true, big D disclosure
from the government, but I have to acknowledge that right now,
(02:27):
it does feel to me like there seems to be
some activity going on that's building to something. We have
doctor Greer coming out saying there's a bunch of witnesses
coming out. We have George Knapp speaking about it, Jeremy
Corbell thinks something's coming, Steve Bassett of course, and we
just had Ross Colhart do his special with another new
whistleblower and he says more are to follow as well.
(02:51):
You've been in this a long time. What is your
personal feeling about right now.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I am happy to see all the people that are
coming forward. I'm all for big D disclosure if it happens.
I'm not sure if we're going to get the sort
of disclosure that we're hoping for, because I think that
the military industrial complex, they're kind of the gatekeepers of everything,
(03:17):
and I don't think there's like a winning scenario for
them in this. If it does happen, they're going to
have to put out this sort of blanket. People are
going to have to be made so they can't be
prosecuted for certain things because as you know, I mean,
I believe that there's been some questionable acts that have
(03:39):
been done to people that have tried to come forward
in the past, and you know, this is a secret
that has been locked up for I believe probably longer
than eighty years. You know, the Roswell crash, and I
think the DC flyover back in nineteen fifty two sort
of is is what really started the attempt of the
(04:04):
government to put this under the rug, the main concern
being that the public would panic, that it could cause
social unrest, could harm world religions. But it does look
to me like the secret is so widespread now and
so many people have been talking that are important folks,
that they are military, that are police officers, commercial pilots.
(04:28):
I mean, those are the people that put in reports
that I get at MOFON and we take them very seriously,
and I think others do as well. So maybe we
will CB a big d disclosure or at least I
think that it's going to be more transparent than it
has been, and that's a good for sure.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
What about moufon, does mofon do they seem to feel
like there's things a buzz right now or is it
just business as usual over there?
Speaker 7 (04:57):
You know?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
I think that you have to notice that there's been
sort of an uptick in witness reports coming in recently,
a lot of like plasmic for lack of better terminology
ORB type sightings. Although you know, I don't like to
call everything that looks like a sphere in ORB. You know,
(05:21):
I think there's a difference between some of the glass
looking objects that people see where beans are inside of them,
and then you have like a two hundred foot across
golden orb that comes out of the ocean. That was
one case that I got from commercial pilot who happened
to be on Catalina Island with his wife and brother
(05:41):
in law, and he is very good at dead reckoning.
He was able to give me these details. He had
a pair of binoculars with him. I mean, he could
see water dripping off of this thing. It was a
solid object. But everybody uses a term orbs, so I
guess I will go, Hey, what.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Do you think about this recent news Nation show that
Ross Colhart did with Jake Barber, that retired US intelligence
officer who claims to have retrieved NHI craft. What do
you think of that?
Speaker 6 (06:10):
You know, historically there have been many orbit or egg
shaped craft reports through history. In fact, the lonnie Z
and moora case that doctor j Allen Heinek held as
one of the best UFO reports ever that was an
egg shaped craft had like what looked like landing legs
(06:32):
on it, but it was egg shaped. So, you know,
I did watch Jake Barber's interview. I thought that he
seemed very honest, very forthcoming, and what impressed me actually
was the psionic involvement where he talked about whatever was
(06:54):
in this egg shaped object, it was communicating with him.
The words that he used used this great feeling of
love and also a note of sadness. I've heard those
exact words used in contact events from military in the past.
There are things that I think are questionable. I mean
(07:16):
the video. You know, MUFON actually checked out the video
and our photo analysis lab and there is some question
of whether it actually was even a night vision camera,
so that is troubling. But you know, I mean, like
most things, this case goes into my overflowing maybe box.
(07:37):
You know, I'm not going to make a yay or
nay statement on the report, but it's certainly interesting and
I'm certainly not going to call it a hoax.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
It feels like it's getting you know, more cloudy as
we get closer. You know, you can imagine if somebody
had this knowledge in technology, they would have the means
to manipulate the narrative. You know, that's clearly been done
since Roswell at least, you know, the way they paint
these witnesses is crazy. Period. It feels like they've been
(08:09):
able to kind of stay ahead of this and control
the narrative. What do you feel about that aspect of it?
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Well, I do think that there, you know, there are
certain three letter agencies that are very interested and really
I don't think I think that they probably are putting
out disinformation along with the information that's coming out. I
think that in some ways they probably want to muddy
(08:37):
this field because again I think that the you know,
military industrial complex has everything to lose with disclosure happening.
There's things they don't want to talk about. They certainly
don't want to say that this is a technology that's
you know, ahead of our own and we can't protect
you from it. They don't want to go there. I
(08:58):
don't think they want to talk about abductions and visitations,
you know. And there was a CIA report that came
out through a Foyer request. I was reading it recently,
and the three reasons that they gave were kind of
the same three reasons that my mom gave me. My
mom was in the military industrial complex. My mom said,
(09:19):
they will never tell the public because think of the HG.
Wells Orson Wells radio production of war the worlds, how
people barricade themselves and you know, got their shotguns, emptied
bank accounts. Imagine that kind of chaos happening worldwide. My
mom mentioned it could harm world religions and the banking system.
(09:43):
I think that those were the three. I guess my
mom was quoting a document the wet sector.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The energy sector.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Oh, I know, zero point energy would certainly make a
dent in Ge and certain other companies.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Your mom was at Hughes Aerospace,
wasn't she.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Yeah, My mom worked for Hughes back in the nineteen
fifties when I was five years old. Well, I had
this strange ritual. I used to go outside every morning,
climb the monkey bars that we had in the backyard,
wave and sing at the sky. And my mom, I
remember she opened the kitchen window and said, who are
you waving and singing to? And I said the space people, Mom,
(10:25):
the space people. And I did every day. Nobody told
me to do it or taught me to do it.
It was like intuitive, I guess, And once she sat
down with me nineteen sixty three, I'm an old coot
here sixty six years old, but I was five years old,
and she kind of gave me disclosure, full disclosure when
(10:46):
I was five years old, that she had worked in
a deep underground military base with certain German rocket scientists
for Hughes, and that there were space people that you're
waving and stinging to something. It actually is there, Earl.
I think that she wanted me to know it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
That you did that, because you know, as we know now,
this is typically a lifelong thing and as we talked
about before, it's generational. So seeing a kid do that
at such a young age, you know, speaks to that.
All right, man, listen, we have to quick break here.
When we come back, we're going to talk to Earl
about the Muffon organization and if there might be some
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We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
talking to Earl Gray Anderson from MOFON. Earl, is there
any relationship as far as you know, between the MOFON
organization and say, you know, Errow is there. You know,
if they really wanted to get to the bottom of
what's happening, wouldn't MoveOn be a logical place for an
(12:59):
organization like this to start.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Yeah, but you know, Okay, as far as official, like
an affiliate or something like that. No, MOFON is strictly
a civilian organization, and we're all volunteers that work for MOFON.
No field investigator is paid to do what we do.
It's all for love of the phenomenon and our personal curiosity.
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You know, there's a bunch of people like myself that
have had this, you know, fifty foot question mark covering
over their heads their whole lifetime. And this was the
best way that I could imagine to figure out what
was what, because you know, there's a million different stories
out there, some contradict each other. So I just figured
(13:45):
about eleven years ago, I'm going to put my own
hands to this and see what I find. I was
kind of skeptical in some ways when I joined moufon.
I knew what my mom told me, but I also
knew that, like Carl Sagan, that there was nothing to UFOs.
One of my favorite writers, Carl or Arthur C. Clark,
(14:07):
claimed that he didn't believe in UFOs. Now I know better,
he actually did believe in UFOs. He had a correspondence
with doctor Heinich and my friend Paul Heinech has that correspondence.
He showed me a couple of letters between his father
and Arthur Clark, and Clark said, I think that you're
doing fine research and that there's something to this, but
(14:28):
I can't say that publicly or I'll never get invited
to another moonshot.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It's a shame that back then that's how it was.
You couldn't speak publicly about this at all.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
There's a high ridicule factor. There still is, but it
was greater back then and more to lose from, you know,
people like Philip Klass. He was a professional debunker, and
we found out that he had CIA ties once he
passed away, and Foyer requests became a thing sure enough,
(14:57):
you know, he was on the government budget there. So
I believe that the Robertson panel in nineteen fifty three,
they convened to figure out how to deal with the public,
how do we make this flying saucer business go away?
In response, I believe to both Roswell and the flyover
(15:18):
of Washington, DC that happened in nineteen fifty two happened
two times in one week, by the way, well anyway,
but Moufon, I think we're doing the Air Force's job
for them.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Now.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It's interesting that Project Blue Book they closed their doors
in nineteen sixty nine and Moufon opened their doors in
nineteen sixty nine. It was kind of like the public
reaction to the Air Force and there's nothing to see here, folks.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I would think it's most likely that somebody from our
government is probably working inside of Moufon to kind of
know what's coming through the files. Don't you think That's
what I would do.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
But of course, if that's the case, nobody's coming forward.
I mean, I have a very good friend that is
former you know, Air Force, you know a FO s I,
you know Air Force intelligence. He's former, but you know,
you never know. Yeah, I don't know, you get to
really retire from that stuff. I think it's kind of
(16:21):
a life er thing, that's but as a great guy.
I love him and he does great work for UFON.
I actually had a field investigator working under me from
NASA up until a couple of years ago. The problem
was she wouldn't call a UFO a UFO WE pilot siding.
That was just kind of you know, signed, sealed, delivered,
(16:46):
and she just simply couldn't call it an unknown And
I told her I said, you know, the best I'm
going to let you do is say insufficient data. And
that's that's a stretch because this is a whole flight
crew that saw this.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
She said, well, my, you know, NDAs won't allow me
to tell you what it is, but I know what
it is. It's not aliens. It's like, well, if the
public doesn't know what it is and it's secret, that's
still annown. Unknown doesn't mean aliens. It means we don't
know what it is. And she got a little testy
about that.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Man, Listen, you looked at over a thousand cases. How
many of those cases have you been able to explain
with a terrestrial explanation?
Speaker 6 (17:31):
You know, I'll be honest with you. And it's not
just I haven't just looked at those cases. Those are
cases that I have personally investigated, where I've spoken with witnesses,
sometimes gone out to the sites if there were you know,
good reports, you know, taking theodolite photos. And I inspect
(17:52):
these cases just like Project blue Book. We kind of
use the same precepts left to us by doctor Heineke
and by doctor Valley. Out of the I think I'm
at one thoy forty nine cases at this point, and
about ten percent of them are unknown. Ten percent I
cannot explain, and I'm very careful. I mean, what I
(18:14):
expect from my field investigators, I mentor everybody myself. I've
got a team of fourteen right now, is I want
them to be able to walk where you're equally balanced
with you know, true believer and full on skeptic. And
it's you know, it's a learning curve. You have to
learn how to do this, but eventually you can take
(18:37):
your own emotions out of this and you can be
completely honest. And that's the way that I do it.
And I'm pretty impressed that among all the sightings of
drones and venus and aircraft turning and flashing the sun
back at people, that there's ten percent out of of
(19:00):
that number of cases that I cannot explain.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
What about moufon as a whole, do they have Wow?
Speaker 6 (19:07):
I mean it runs into the tens of thousands. I
don't have the exact nu.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Is it typically ninety percent of them are explainable.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Oh, I think that it's like maybe eighty five to
ninety percent unknowns. With most of MOUF one, we're pretty
careful and the training, you know, We have training program
Moufon University, and it teaches you to be you have
you have to be able to be a skeptic as
well as a believer. I don't think you would join
(19:38):
Moufon if you didn't think there was something to the
UFO phenomena, or you shouldn't. But you have to be
able to walk that type rope, and it looks like
we do a pretty darn good job.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
What about these other technologies that are coming on, Like
has Moufon started using AI to help decipher what something
in the sky might be? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:56):
We well, we have a full on lab. We have
a photo analysis, video lab and team. We can actually
you know, check out DNA strands and things like that
with the lab that we have, and AI is is
coming into the into the picture as well. We are
definitely definitely keeping up with the current level of technologies
(20:20):
and what's out there.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
With regards to the UFO topic. Have you noticed a
public perception outside of our community? Do you think people
are now more aware or more open to this topic? Oh?
Speaker 6 (20:32):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you can't really get away
from it anymore. You go on x or on Reddit
or what I mean. It's it's a hot topic, that's
for sure. And when I first came into this field,
I got a lot of you know, eye rolls and
raised eyebrows and stuff. And I don't anymore. I mean,
I have you know, I had Fox News call me
(20:55):
up and ask me for an assessment on a UFO
last week. I mean, I told him I can't explain this.
I checked the pixelization, I checked out everything you know
that I could, and it was definitely it was an
object that was very, very bright. It was way up way,
(21:16):
you know, thousands of feet, and there was a pilot
siding from the local airport that came in that was similar,
not the same, not the same date, but within like
two days of it, and so it's very it's different
than it used to be. I don't get the eye rolls.
People are generally interested. If I go on like a
(21:40):
mainstream show, they don't play the X file theme anymore
before I go on.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
That's good to see. When we come back, we're going
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it may be making the hunt for nhi craft even
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We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're
speaking with Earl gray Anderson today. Hey, Earl, the role
of artificial intelligence. I'm seeing how AI now is getting
really really good, and my friends have been showing me
some of the technology of like taking a little in
an old photo and making it into a ten cent
a ten second video. It's incredible. What's coming on? I
(23:50):
feel like this could be you know, we're on the
precipice of getting even cloudier with fake versions of everything
coming out, and it might be even hard harder to
tell what's real. How do you feel about.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
This, Well, you know the AI animation and stuff is
certainly makes our job a little more difficult. But you
know that every video and photo has micro data and
exf data. The first thing I do when I get
a photo submitted to me is I checked for the
micro data. If it's been photoshopters gone through AI or
(24:22):
something that will show up simply. I mean it's built
into I think Google Chrome has that feature. People just
don't notice it. But if you have her over the photo,
it'll tell you the origin of that photo and if
it's been manipulated at all, that comes up. And it's
the same thing with videos. It's a little more, a
(24:43):
little more to the process with videos, but it's.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The same thing.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
You can go and find the x of data from
that video if you know what you're doing and you
know how to look for it. That's why I check
for pixelization, I check for glitches. I mean, this is
why witness testimony is so important. I won't even take
like ren camera videos people submit and somebody submitted a
(25:10):
surf camera video and there's no witness to interview. It
was just a camera, and I need to talk with
somebody that had eyes on it. Otherwise I can't believe
the video that I'm looking at. It could be anything,
and especially with ren cameras. I mean, a moth can
look like an orb. I've seen it in a million times.
(25:32):
I saw one video came in where it was a
church basement video, which shouldn't have even gone to move
on because it wasn't a UFO siding. I guess if
it was something funny, it would have been moral on
the paranormal lines. But she had all these orbs in
the church basement and you look at it and you
slow down the video and it's like those are moths, dear,
(25:55):
And I told her, actually, you don't have a ORB
problem in your church. You have a moth problem. Maybe
get it exterminator.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Fun. So, hey, earl, do you have any thoughts personally
on what you think the real nhi ufo craft. Maybe
not the military test stuff, not the unacknowledged black engineered craft,
but the true, you know, off world craft. What do
you feel like you lean one theory or another after
looking at this for so long, Like, do you think
(26:24):
it might be interdimensional? Nuts and bolts from another galaxy?
What do you what do you think?
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I tend to lean towards the interdimensional theory. That that's
pretty much where Heinek wound up, That's that's where Valet
wound up. And and it seems like most really you know,
serious researchers eventually end up on the interdimensional thing, because
I mean, we do see evidence for portal opening up,
(26:51):
and that's that's interdimensional. That's not in our universe. When
you know it's it's tricking our universe to travel. And
also the great distances in Fermi's paradox and all that
kind of go out the window if this is an
interdimensional phenomenon, and to me, it's all the universe. It's
(27:12):
just it doesn't matter to me if they came from
Alpha Centauri or some parallel earth, you know, in another dimension.
It's non human as we know human anyway, But you know,
there's other theory too. You know, it could be us
from the great you know, deep past. It could even
be a you know, I talked to James Cripoul's one
(27:37):
of his mentors recently, Kevin Khan, and he thinks that
this phenomena, the origin of it is like this panspermia
of fungus that's interacting with plasma, and that there's this
interaction like humans are like acting like mito mitochondria to
(27:58):
this intelligence, so they need It's almost like this coexistence
symbiosa's going on, and you know, he makes a very
good argument for his you know, well, yeah, UFOs are
real and the beings are real, but they're actually you know,
they're being created by this this core intelligence that spans
(28:20):
the galaxy. And I guess they've recently found plasmic clouds
between us and the Moon that we're quite substantial. So
there's a lot of theories out there, and I try
not to be you know, I try to be open
minded about this stuff. It's part of my job.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Absolutely, and it's very very complicated, and we're dealing with
an unknown so it's even more difficult. And even disclosure itself,
I feel, is not as simple as a press conference saying, Hey,
we've got UFO craft and aliens right here. You know
who's behind it? Is it just the US government? Is
it black budget, unacknowledged pros in our government? Is it
(29:03):
you know all these other things like you're mentioning. You know,
there's so many layers to this that I don't think
many people realize, certainly outside this community, they think it's
a very simple thing, and it's not. I think a
lot of the reason some of these government officials come
out and don't say they don't know anything is because
they don't know anything. I think these guys are have
(29:24):
plausible deniability. They don't tell them. So that's what they
put in charge of Arrow, so that he could say, yeah,
there's nothing to it. We're not getting the right guy, you.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
Know, exact a mundo. I don't know if they would
know what to disclose to do disclosure. And I don't
think that this is all being generated by our black
projects by our government either. By the way, because UFO
sidings go back historically to the Roman times. They call
(29:56):
them flying shields, and there was no CIA and it's
a DARPA or anything like that back two thousand years ago.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
How about the art they have with them. Yes, pictures
in the corner of a little ufo with a guy
sitting there driving it. That's compelling. How did they love
it not long ago?
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Well, you know, there's good excuses, you know, and was
saying that it was an illustration of the sun and
the moon being flow, you know, in the Renaissance painting.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
But I don't know it.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
The excuses just pile up and it seems like, you know,
a game of django. It's just toppling as they try
to keep putting these bricks on top of it. I
think disclosure, to me, it already happened. I mean, my
feeling is that we are disclosure when we go out
and we talk like we're talking right now, intelligently scientifically,
(30:49):
but being open minded like we are. That is disclosure.
And the people that are going to get it are
going to get it. And the people that it scars
or just feel offended by it, they're never going to
believe this. I mean, who is going to do a
disclosure for us? We don't have a Walter Cronkite anymore.
I don't know who they would have do this. Then
(31:11):
maybe this is the way that it works, you know,
I mean, I don't think this is the first rodeo
for our visitors. I think that this is a process.
There may be something sort of like the Star Trek,
you know, prime directive. It seems like, you know, a
learning process for us.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I noticed that.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Experiencer, especially in military, they all get the same three messages.
Nuclear weapons are evil, they will destroy civilizations, So don't
try it. Stop trashing your world. You only get one.
It's not a replaceable resource. And better yourselves, raise your vibration,
(31:51):
live on a higher frequency. Those are the three messages.
It's like a trifecta of message that and I hear
these own navy personnel. I hear it from pilots, I
hear it from you know, one guy that has ninety
engineers working under him. I'm not going to mention the
aerospace company. He had visitors come through his wall, the
(32:17):
little gray guys, and this was the three messages he
was given. You know, he's probably working on nuclear warheads
and stuff.
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron. We are back on Beyond Contact.
We're speaking with Earl Gray Anderson. Earl, I think starting
about November eighteenth of last year, we started hearing about
these reports of UFO drome swarms. First it was in
New Jersey, then it kind of spread up the coast,
and then it even came out to the West coast.
Then it sort of died down. But again the last
(34:36):
couple of days I've heard some reporting of different settings. Again,
So what is your take on these the drones?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
The best explanation that I've seen so far was John
Greenwall posted this on X about a month ago. I
think it was when the New Jersey swarms were kind
of you know, mainstream news, and he posted a there
was a previous post by a gentleman who worked for
(35:05):
a company that made he claimed that they made these drones.
And what he said and the guy's providence looked really good.
You know, everything that he said was just you know,
it made sense, had the reign of truth to it.
And you know, Greenwald, he's very good at being skeptical,
but he thought it was good enough to post what
(35:28):
this gentleman said was He said that the DoD requested
I believe, and maybe he put an extra zero in it.
But one hundred and eighty thousand of these drones. Maybe
he meant eighteen thousand. But I don't know. I'm not
the DoD. I don't know what they need. He said
that they are the size of an SUV because of
the payload is very heavy. He said that what these are,
(35:50):
they're dirty bomb sniffing gamma ray sniffing drones that were
created specifically to respond to dirty terrorist threats, and apparently
we get quite a few of them. I mean, I
do have a contact in Homeland Security and he told
me we get threatened all the time. Early if the
public knew, if you knew what I deal with, you
(36:12):
wouldn't sleep at night. You know, the dirty bomb threats
are a real thing.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
This guy said that his company that they created these drones,
that they had the three light configuration that you're seeing
on all of these, and that they were first sent
to Ukraine when Russia made a dirty bomb threat to Ukraine.
Then they were sent to Israel after the Palestinian conflict.
But I believe that this is probably the best answer
(36:41):
I've heard for these drones. Now, I've noticed that they're
always near military bases, or they're near large public gatherings
or sensitive areas. For instance, I have one guy that
lives near Plant forty two in Palmdale who's been putting
in MUFAN reports.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
He sees these.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
Drones every night. He must be in the flight path.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Now.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Plant forty two is owned by you know, Lockheed and
Norfolk Grumman, and it is one of the most secure
sits in the United States, maybe more secure than Area
fifty one. And I've had many drone reports in that area,
but specifically, this guy's had good video, good photos, always
(37:28):
the same three light configuration, and I believe they're surveilling
in that area very carefully, and they probably should. You know,
I'm glad that we have a way to respond to
these threats because we do have enemies.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Earl, I agree one hundred percent. I think that's the
best explanation we've heard for these drones is that they
are these military drones that are ours that are looking
for possible nuclear material or dirty bombs. In the very
beginning of the story, we heard that nuclear material went
missing and then it went away. We didn't hear that anymore.
(38:05):
But these don't seem to be et craft. They don't
seem to be an adversary because we would take them down.
It's not just hobbyists, because they're much much bigger, they
stay up longer, and they have the ability to go
to areas where hobbyist drones can't go. So they probably
wouldn't want people to panic, as you just inferred that
(38:27):
people would if we were in fact checking for dirty
bombs and nuclear material. So all of this makes sense
to me. What doesn't make sense to me is the
official White House statement that just came out saying that
the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large
numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for
research and various other reasons. And we've never had this before.
(38:51):
All of a sudden, that's when they decided to do that.
So I think that that really fits is the best explanation.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
Yeah, me too. But now you have to remember that
our visitors are very interested in our propensity to destroy
ourselves in nuclear waste and nuclear any kind of nuclear weapon,
I think you know, sounds an alarm for them. So
it doesn't surprise me if people would see actual EUFOS
(39:19):
anomalist craft around these sort of drone swarms that people
are seeing.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
I comsleutely agree.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Anyway, I haven't heard a better explanation than that myself.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
So now you said that you have experienced synchronicity after
you had your experience. I am a huge fan of
synchronicity and would like to know what your take on
what synchronicity is.
Speaker 6 (39:44):
It's a meaningful coincidence, and a lot of contact ees
and abductees Bullet have had anomalous contact experience synchronicities. It
seems like magic sometimes. The way it were for me
is that I'll be thinking about, like, you know, I'll
(40:08):
mentioned names, even maybe Whitley Strieber. Okay, I've been wanting
to meet the gentleman. I've spoken with him on the
phone before, but I'd never really had a time, you know,
to actually kind of touch base and talk with him.
I was invited to a dinner meeting with Peter Robbins,
who was in town. He didn't say that he had
invited somebody else. It was Peter and Greg Bishop Well
(40:31):
and Walks, Whitley Strieber and sits down across from me.
That was a synchronicity. It was wonderful and it was
but it happens all the time. I would be surprised
if it didn't.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Hey, Earl, aren't you also writing a book, The Gray Files?
I think yes, I am.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
Yeah, it's going to be called The Gray Files. It's
going to be probably half case reports and half personal anecdotes.
I'm going to have a kiss report and then a
personal anecdote case and I have like a lot of
interesting stories, like the first time I went out on
a field investigation that was actually in the field. It
(41:09):
was close to an Air Force site, but it was
apparently a secretive Air Force site. It was a torpedo
testing ground, but there was a UFO siding that was
quite significant. There were three different witnesses too, that were
very close to the object, and one who was about
(41:30):
four miles away who was a former Air Force pilot
and he independent put in a case about this object
as well. So I went out there and I did
a really good investigation.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
You know.
Speaker 6 (41:45):
It involved a full sized flying saucer hovering over a house.
Began with two women chasing these orb shaped red UFOs
across town. It was like a seeing close and outers
of the third Guide, but that happened in real life.
I really fear myself at this case. I put a
(42:06):
lot of effort into it. I was out taking theodolite
photos where the women saw these two orbs hovering doing
a falling leaf motion over this mountain, and I was
obeying the warning signs no trespassing. It was federal land.
But apparently somebody didn't like the fact that I was
(42:28):
taking theodolite photos. So I get back in my car
take after taking the photos. This was in Azusa, California,
I might mention, And I'm driving on this little two
lane highway as Zuza Highway to go back to the freeway,
and when all of a sudden, two military vehicles. They
(42:49):
were cut like low slung hummers. No license plates, not
even the US government license, no license plate whatsoever. So
I had an escort out of town.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Now.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I called up my then state director, Jeff Krause. That
was very freaked out. I was like, does this happen
to people? I mean this, It's like, no, no, it doesn't. Well,
I'm going to open the book with that. I figure
you start with an earthquake and build from there.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Perfect.
Speaker 6 (43:18):
Hey, ma, I just have to find time this year.
You can find me at socalmofon dot com. You can
also find me on Facebook. I'm just Earl Gray on Facebook,
but you know, all my moufon stuff is sort of
front and center there.
Speaker 5 (43:34):
Thanks Earl, appreciate it a lot of fun talking to
you as always, and thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact.
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