June 20, 2025 • 39 mins
Captain Ron welcomes UFO Researcher Melinda Leslie who will share her ongoing investigation into an alleged underground military base beneath Sedona, Arizona.
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to be on Contact today. I'm going to be
speaking with UFO researcher Melinda Leslie. Melinda has been an
investigator of UFOs and the government cover up for over
thirty five years. For the last fourteen years, she's been
the owner of the UFO Sightings Tours in Sedona, Arizona,
where she has conducted night watch tours with the use
of military night vision goggles. Most recently, she's been uncovering
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what appears to be a deep underground military base hidden
in Sedona, Arizona. This has been featured on a New
News Nation investigative show called Hunting UFOs the Desert Sky Mystery.
Hey Melinda, how you doing good?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Wonderful, glad to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Absolutely nice to see you. Yeah, so it seems like
you guys have 'tcovered some strong evidence for there being
a base under Arizona Sadana.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Oh my gosh, Ron so much. Yeah, I'm part of
a team of people doing an investigation. And there's the
sightings we're seeing every night associated with it, and the
evidence and people having confrontations with the guards outside the base,
and it's many entrances. Is let's just say it's not
a secret that there was a base here in Sedona,
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like locals and other people have been rumored for a
long time. Veteran researcher Tom Domgo had researched it a
little bit. But what we realize now as we're working
together as a team, we're all like independent people doing
this research and we joined together because we realized we
had so much data individually and so many cases and
so many witnesses and everything and documentation. When we pulled
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it together, we realized what a giant story it was,
and that the base was much bigger than any of
us had realized. I mean, some insiders who've worked there
claimed it goes over three miles in depth, and we
have tunnels that go so fifteen and twenty miles this
way and ten to fifteen twenty miles that way, and
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they're all this complex tunnel system for the same facility,
and some of the insiders have come forward said it's
actually separate little facilities connected by this elaborate tunnel system.
I mean, it's a huge, sprawling complex. We now know
that with large tunnels we can get into that and
the evidence for that, and it's just it's so exciting,
and you know, we came forward with the subject. We
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jokingly say on the team, we're almost doing a little
prematurely as far as look, do we have all the evidence,
all the final facts. No, but we thought we got
to tell people because that's how you get witnesses and
insiders and people coming forward who know more about it.
So by putting it out there. We're getting feedback. We're
getting and we have had witnesses. Because we've have.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You hadity of the guys that worked at the base
come forward and talk to you on camera.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Well, my understanding is Ross Colthart has talked to two
of these individuals. Now we have had others, but not
on camera interviews. My team members did record audio and
then or took it and or took extensive notes.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But Ross did interview two people.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Or.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Now here's the thing though Ross says they're not willing
to go on camera. Now, that doesn't mean they didn't already.
That means he can't Eric, you know, so somebody kind
of pulled back who was willing to do it, and
that was supposed to be part of our special that
just aired. I had met Ross over the years long
story short, and I went to him with this story
and I said, look, I think we got a big
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story here, and he shared it with NewsNation their executives
and they showed interest, and they came out late last
year and did all their filming and then they combined
it with these other segments that are about UFOs in Arizona,
like they had doctor Lind Katai on and you know
the Phoenix lights, etc. And then this gentleman who was
a border patrol person and witness stuff while being in
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the border patrol. So he's actually a whistleblower because he
was in a government position in border patrol security at
the time and they were seeing stuff from their aircraft
monitoring the bar and a number. I mean, he was
sharing the evidence and the accounts of other people. So
it turned into kind of this bigger the government's involved,
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their knowledge of it and Arizona story. But it's kind
of climaxing, and I have a feeling Ross is going
to tie it all in together with all the segments
being predominantly about the underground base, which has got reverse
engineering going on it.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It's a very exciting thing and I'm so glad News
Nation picked it up. I had no idea that we're
going to turn into a giant seven sacred thing. Oh
my god, you know, like we never you know, it
is beyond our wildest dreams, and we're just so glad
they ran with it.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
We think.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So I started to say two reasons why we came
forward with it. One is to get witnesses and people
coming forward and everything from locals and tourists here who've
seen stuff out in the canyons, had run ins with
the guards, found an entrance. You know, we have lots
of those people, but we need more and people who've
worked there, like we were just saying, you know, to
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come forward now that that was one reason, and then
the other equal reason is we thought the evidence for
this and what we have will really help disclosure. So
we do have Congress people extremely interested in what's going
on here, and I'm in contact with them, so I'll
leave it at that. But it's very, very, very exciting
that they do have that interest, and that was another
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reason we've come forward with what we have to ignite
their interest because we know because this is you know
you talk about in disclosure, and you hear all the
recent whistleblowers, and so after you have whistle blowers and
crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs and psionics and calling
ships in and all this stuff, what is the next
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part of that equation? You know, everyone says the money, well,
that would be the next after us. But the next
between the money and all that stuff going on is
where are they going it?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Where is it?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Where is it, Where are they doing it, Where are
they hiding stuff, where they keeping the information, where are
they keeping the crash retrievals, where are they doing the
reverse engineering? And so we have that piece of the puzzle.
And we talk about this base, not because it's all
about the Sedona base. It's just we're right, we live
right here, we're able to research, we're able to talk
to the witnesses. But it's a case example of many
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bases like this where they're doing this work. So we
say this is a case example.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Well, let's talk about some of this evidence. Like, you
have some documents that are very interesting, right.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Yes, yeah. To me, the two most I'd have to
really think about this, the two most significant ones. One
is okay, I guess maybe the most significant the two
is doctor Richard Soder, well known author famous for doing
underground based research, underground based, underwater based research, has written
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you know a number of books of six seven total,
I think, and three of them are about that subject matter,
all many years ago, thirty years ago, twenty five years ago,
and I had a monthly lecture series in southern California,
and I even had Richard come speak for me twice.
I had been friends with him for a long time
because what came up in his research is my other
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research into Millahuse the covert involvement and abduction stuff, and
that he was contacting me about all that because he
learned that that was going on in some of these installations.
So that's how we kind of became involved. And he
helped me and I cited him a lot in my
research in that regards. But in one of his books,
and I have had the book, I've had this first
three books forever, and I'd recommend it to Jeremiah. Look,
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you got to know this guy's stuff. This is the research,
this is the background. And Jeremiah going through his book
his first book, found this informations. But back then when
I read it didn't mean anything to me. I wasn't
living here or anything, you know. And and he wrote
about that there was a and then he presented this
Department of Energy document, so DOE Department of Energy document,
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and he said he got it through Free of Information Act.
He was getting all sorts of things. But he started
to learn as people do you know John Old before right?
What was it was nineteen seventy four and is the
date of the document apparently, and they were going to
build twelve more underground installations in the US, is what
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this document talked about. And it said they were going
to build three in Arizona, and it said they did
all this ground survey and work to determine where, and
they named the three locations, or at least loosely. Okay,
they kind of gave a coordinate. They gave a little
loose information, but it was clear from the information provided
that it was this installation here is one to three.
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And it said they were going to build an installation
out in the canyon here of over five thousand feet
in depth. And so we have a Department of Energy
document saying and then there's a map with a kind
of showing location that was part of the official document,
you know, and saying that we're going to build a
base off here.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
So that's kind of a smoking gun. So we have that.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So we have that document thanks to Richard Zoder was
in his book. So that was just a matter of
rereading his book and Jeremiah finding it. I'd read it previously,
but it hadn't jumped out at me back then. That
didn't mean anything to me, And of course Jeremi noticed
it right away, and so well, we're going.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
To take a break right here. Let's come back and
pick this up on the other side of the break
and find out some more of the evidence that you
guys have uncovered regarding this military based under said ownA.
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Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're speaking with Melinda Leslie
and we're getting some of the evidence that they've uncovered
that point to a secret underground base in Sedona. So
what else have you guys found on there?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
This gets a little tricky.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I had we knew that one of the entrances is
that this and we know there's actually two entrances that
are in the cement processing plants quarrys, you know where
they dig up limestone gypsum and grind them down for cement.
But right below it is it looks like a refinery.
It's the cement processing plant that was long rumored and
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Tom Dongo had information where he had interviewed guards out
there who had seen like big semi trucks come in
the middle of night. First off, it's highly secure for Corey,
and it operates twenty four hours and they have a
gate in the front. It's very secure, which seems like
a lot of security for Qurey. But regardless, Tom Donbo
interviewed guys working there who said big semis would come
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in in the middle of the night, right and go
to this go in this security they had the clearance
to and go to this building in the back and
then like disappear. Now, I'm sure those guards knew if
there was an interest there or not, or an entrance
to a tunnel system, but probably had NDAs and securities
and you know whatever, but they couldn't say that. But
over the years Tom interviewed a couple of these guys
who had said somebodys would go in the back of
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the property and disappear.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Just like a den Berport. We used to hear those
reports that when they were building that that these trucks
would just go and then they'd be gone, right.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And then there's also some accounts of like military convoys
of multiple military vehicles going in there. Then there's another facility.
Now we have more entrances than this, everybody, these are
just two in This leads to this other document story.
So there's another facility outside or kind of between the
little towns of Drake and Paulden. When I say little towns,
they consist of like a gas station, a general store
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in a ranch or two.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And look that's it, you know. So but Drake and Paul.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Then and then there is another ce processing plant there.
Both of those are the lands are owned by the
Indian tribe and the managements by another company or not
the management, but you know, but the daily operations of
both facilities is managed by Martin Marietta Materials. Well, that
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should ring some bells to people if they follow the subject.
Martin Mary Materials is how lockeed Martin Aerospace got its name.
Lockheed Aerospace Corporation bought Martin Mated Materials from Glenn Martin
so they could process their own aluminum for making planes,
their own medals and dig up the stuff and have
complete control over the manufacturing of their medals.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So an interesting coincidence because as we know, we often
hear lockeed Martin's one of the companies that may in
fact have whatever the government has that they need.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, well, there's a lot of really good evidence that
they're involved deeply in the reverse engineering program. You have
everything from the whole story, the Wilson Davis notes and
Admiral Wilson going there to lockeed netlists and State did.
But it was very clear to anyone familiar with that
whole investigation. And now you have doctor Eric Davis, who
wrote those notes, testifying before Congress and actually admitting that, yes,
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he wrote those notes and yes that that happened. So
it's all out on the open now. I remember when
that whole group of people had like circled their wagons
and we're talking about it with some of us, Grant
Cameron and Richard Dolan, myself and a few other people investigating,
and we were like, okay, these guys have gathered the wagons.
Whoever we talked to in the bigger group were not,
you know, We're very like obvious that they'd been talking
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to each other and it kind of agreed on a storyline.
And so it's just wild now, you know, a couple
of years later, to have Eric Davis out there fully
admitting it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But what he was.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Talking about was the position of J two at the
time with the government. Admiral Thomas rere I met Thomas
Wilson at the time J two was second in command
of the Joint chiefs of Staff at the Benegon and
he found out about the stuff going on at this
aerospace compan which was locked, and he went there and
checked it out and he was sent away. Anyways, that's
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that whole story and why he was sent away, and
he was very upset. And then Eric had interviewed him
on behalf of this group of scientists that Eric was
involved in at the time. Long story short, So Lockheed
was getting a piece of had a piece of crash debris,
and that Robert Bigelow. Bigelow which was you know behind
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the asset program if against very complicated, but yeah, Bigelow
Aerospace that they had gotten agreement from Lockey to purchase
or be given that piece of crash debris. And so
because Locked said we've done all the extensive work we
can on this, maybe you guys can do more, and
Bigelow was willing to spend all his money on it,
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you know, so he's like, okay, So they were in
an os APP but it was a government contract to
do so. But through the SAP process, the approval of
the spenditure money it got blocked. Okay, So long story short.
So that was another thing that ties Locked in directly.
Those are hard pieces of evidence, both of those that
implicate Lockeed for sure, okay now and even testified before Congress, So.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
There you go. That's on the record.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
So going back to going back to then, so we
we had information about that.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
So soon as I.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Learned that these facilities were being managed by Martin Maned Materials,
I'm like, dang, wait a second. So I did research
initially to find out how much of market Mada Matial
is not making any assumption that is locky, you know it,
because we know that Lockeed bought Martin Maned Materials to
become Locked Martin. Okay, so how much of it do
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they still? How much of Martin mad and Materials is
still with Lockey? And it took me some digging, but
I ended up finding myself a nineteen ninety eight document
just looking online doing a bunch of keyword searches and stuff,
and that was The Washington Post did it in their
financial section. Washington Post news paper did a lot article
in their Financial seconds section about Martin Manned Materials and
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they're selling off of stocks and in the very end
of the article, because I said how much just Locked
still own Boom and the end of the article it
said Locked Martin owned eighty one percent of Martin Maded Materials.
So I had a Washington Post fully vetted art you know,
article al for they're vetting and everything before they air
something like that, especially in their you know, or print
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something like that in their financial section. And it was
this whole thing about the selling off of stock and stuff.
So in the end it said they still eighty one percent.
So of course I told Ross and News Nation about that.
I said, you guys, that's from ninety eight. I don't
know how much they own of it now, but this
Nation did digging, and Ross got back to me and
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said they found they got a document from twenty twenty three.
So just you know this, this investigation was happening last year,
so at that point it was only a year old.
They said a document from twenty twenty three regarding the financials,
and in twenty twenty three, Lockheed Martin still owned eighty
percent of Martin mattered Materials. So the management of both
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those facilities with those major tunnel entrances are you know,
we have documentation that that management company is owned eighty
percent by locked Martin. So that's pretty good. So that's
a deal. Yeah, yeah, And then and then we have
more evidence about both locations being the tunnels.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And this is how we know that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Well, first off, as they said, people see semi trucks
go in the middle night and disappear in both facilities.
I've interviewed and so is Jeremiah, and so is Tom Dongo.
A number of people who live around the Drake paulm facility,
and there's I had a client who lives in the area,
who lives up on a hill out there. And now
Jeremiah met a woman who lives in the kind of
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same area what this other client does, and they both
talk about seeing regularly seeing military harry convoys of multiple
military vehicles drive into that facility, which is a small
facility that that cement processing plant near Drake Palin's very small.
They drive in there into that quarry and disappear. And
they live up on a hill where they see these
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convoys going there. So you know, so again, lots lots
of evidence.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Now, the.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Television show with the History Channel, everyone's probably famire with
the Skinwalker TV show, well, they created a spin off
TV show called Beyond Skinwalker. Skin Walker, of course, is
all about the ranch in Utah and all this stuff
going on there, paranormal things. Brandon Fugel and the team
at Skinwalker knew that there were these other ranches, so
they started to do investigations in other locations and they
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created a spinoff TV show called Beyond Skinwalker to do
to do that. Beyond Skinwalker came out and did we
have our version of Skinwalker ranch here in Sedona called
Bradshaw Ranch. And they came out to investigate Brandshaw.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
That's the one that interviewed, uh investigated for years and years.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yes, yeah, Tom Dongo for years.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Let's take a break right here, Melinda. We'll come back
and get it on the other side and.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
We'll continue with another cliff banger.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. I'm talking to Melinda Leslie.
We're talking about the possible underground secret base that the
military has in Sedona.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Beyond Skinwalker TV show where I just left off there,
said did this ground penetrating radar and came up with
a for thousands of feet. They did light our scanning
up the mirror, but it went very deep and they
found for the total length that they they scanned, which
was like a thousand feet or so whatever, you know,
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a couple of thousand that they found a fifty foot
wide tunnel exactly fifty feet wide, going straight for the
total distance they scan In other words, the tunnel went
beyond that. On the show, they overlaid that on Google
Earth to show exactly where it was. I took a
screenshot of that image, saved it overlaid on a bigger
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picture of Google Earth with the fifty foot wide line,
and it goes straight to the cement prop to the
building at the back of the processing plant, straight there,
straight there in the one end I Clarkdale, Okay. Then
the other end goes out where we know that there's
two platforms where stuff take off and launch front based
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upon witnesses and insiders. That goes back into what's called
Sycamore Canyon and Secret Canyon, no joke, that's its real name,
Secret Bouncy Canyon. So it goes right back there, and
the line goes straight back there. So that and Bradshaw
is just happens to be kind of like over the
middle of it, but that line goes straight.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
This direction is straight that direction for.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Many miles, and when if you overlay on google it, now,
that's kind of assumption that you're going to continue it straight.
It just happens to go to that building at the
back of the cement and just happens to go to
the back of both of those canyons where we know
there's these platforms. So it's like hello, okay. Then News
Nation did standing. But they found another section in that area,
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a fifty foot wide tunnel, and they scanned in another
place and found a section that they think is seventy
five to eight feet white, and the big section seventy
five to eighty foot wide. My understanding is it has
these big metal girders running through it, because they had
additional equipment that looked for metal in the construction and
not just like rebar but like big light probably like
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metal eyebeams or something. Giant metal girders running through it,
like very heavy construction. In the big section, Well, fifty
foot white tunnel, you guys, is big enough for two
semites to pass each other. I jokingly say, what's in
eighty foot white tunnel freeway, right, yeah, yeah, you know
we got but they found these two sections that are
all in roughly the Bradshaw area and and and that
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they run in different angles from each other, so you know,
you know that, and we don't know if they're joining
up or whatever, but you know, for the parks that
were scanned. So we have ground kindetrating radars showing multiples
of these tunnels. And then we have those two locations,
and we do have the one tunnel system that it
would appear when you extend the line like I said,
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it goes directly to one of those locations. And then
we have other places in our canyons where people have
seen military convoys of multiple military vehicles. I'd have to
ask Jeremiah between us, I know, I've got at least
five stories of people witnessing that he's got at least five,
you know. So we have a lot, including the Bradshaw
family originally own the ranch. He's interviewed all the remaining
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living Bradshaw members pretty much. And I tell you, man,
this he's getting directly from them. And when they sit
down and they realize we're fairly notable about this, they
opened up with them, and they've told them amazing things
about apparently a neighbor's property near Bradshaw Ranch, one of
the other branches near it, has has had military convoys,
military vehicles going on to that property fairly regularly, you know,
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years ago. And I mean because the branch. The last
member to be at the rancher, you know, still in
the Brandshaw family was Linda Bradshaw, and she was there,
gave it up ten or maybe maybe twelve years ago now,
you know, at least ten maybe twelve years ago, and
the government took it over. Now it's owned technically by
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the Forest Service, and it's well known for a lot
of paranoral activity. Brandon Fugel, who owned Skinwalker Ranch, tried
to purchase it, but the government wouldn't buy it, sell
its right before Service wouldn't sulative well now with this
you know, ground peg draining radar, three big tunnels.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Going under the area. I yeah, they I can now
know why why they wouldn't sell it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, exactly, they wouldn't sell it to him, and he
was prepared to do a whole investigation there, just like Skinwalker,
because it's very famous.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That's another one of these victorious ranches with all kinds
of paranormal activity.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You've got it. You've got it, You've got it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
And in additional evidence, you know, people have run into
with the guards out in the canyons, including again my
team members Jeremia and Alexander have had that happen more
than once. Other friends of mine have had it happen.
Clients of mine have had it happen. Some of them
have been stopped at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
By these guards.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
And you're on you're on known trails, you know, even
like I've been to Bradshaw Ranch a million times, not
undred times. I've never seen guards or anything there. But
friends of mine who've gone out there happen stopped by guards,
clients of mine who've gone out their half.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I just happened that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
It hasn't happened to me, you know, And Jeremiah's had
stuff happened yet it just you know, I'm I admit,
I'm not the high used to be, So I'm not
going on some of the very difficult Wendy Heights hikes
that Jeremiah and Alexander do. They're they're very physically fit,
and they do they do these you know, ten mile
hikes and stuff that not people were doing. I mean, yeah,
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more evidence is the run is like I said, with
the guards. Confrontations with the guards, you don't get you
don't back talk him or say I get to be here,
this is public land, blah blah blah. I mean, they
get pretty firm and they there's a few cases where
they have rough people up, so if you start messing
with them. You know, one guy who's a waiter here
in Tacha is a bartender here in town. He apparently
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works an earlier shift or something, and he gets off
work and he likes to hike in Long Canyon, well
known hiking spot here. He likes to go hiking back
in Long Canyon and that's like one of his favorite places.
And he hides back there and one day he goes
pretty late, like you know, it was late afternoon, and
he's hiking way back in there, and all of a
sudden has three red dots on his chest. Well those
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are gunsight lasers, and he's he goes, okay, you know,
an outcome six. He has six six dot sized chests.
So six guys come out camouflage, combat boots, kevlar ves'm
sixteen's you know, point out helmets, you know, and they
stop and they said, what are you doing back here?
He goes, well, I hiked this all the time. This is,
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you know, one of my favorite hips. And then what
are you doing here today? And he goes, I got
off work and I got work a little later, so
I came by. It was still daylight, and they said,
turn around, come back another day. That's often what they
tell people. But that's just one account. We have a
gentleman who on a on a trail bike, a dirt bike,
go out into Sycamore Canyon, go way off trailway back there.
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When I say trailbick was more on that. He had
like a BMX you know, motocross bike, okay, and he
would go back there and jump and practice apparently did
that kind of stuff. And he was back there doing
that and suddenly this door opens up in the ground.
Well I reallyze, you see me on video, but the
audis does it. It's like a garage door. Thing opens
up and out comes three military humbies and they come
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and they circle him and and guys get out dressed
on the camouflage.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
They stop and.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
He goes, whoa, and he goes to take off these
guys run up to him. They throw him on the ground,
His bike lands on top of him. They push him
down off us by just kind of sho off, you know,
before he can get away because he goes to like
turn real fast. But they and they go when we said,
because they yelled and stopped, stop haul you know. And
they said, so when they threw him to ground, they said,
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when we said stop.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We stop, we didn't mean to leave. It means you know.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
And and they said, what are you doing back here?
He says, I come back here to practice and jump
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And he's wa back off.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
The main trail. I means many you know, hours back
And and they go on that, go up that and
apparently when they put him on the ground, one guy
kneeled down on his chest. It's Manders standing kneeled down
on Well. This guy ended up getting some fracked ribs
because the guy kneeled on him MILLI heart. Now, I
don't think they were in ten to hurt him. That
the did kneel on him and it did crack some rips.
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So this guy, they said, get back on your bike,
go back the way you came, and never come back here.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Again.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Period. That'd be good enough for me if I saw
a three truck out of the ground.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
So Melinda, let's take a quick break. We're going to
come back and we're going to talk to Melinda more
about this interesting case and find out a little bit
more about some of the UFO and UAP sightings in
the area and some of the interesting things with helicopters
that you've seen on her tour. You're listening to be
on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
(29:37):
Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. It's
(30:05):
Captain Ron talking to Melinda Leslie about this incredible secret base. Well,
let it tell us a little bit about the UFO
activity you've seen. Yes, but you've been doing for fifteen
years almost right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, fourteen and a half years. That's right, fourteen a
half years. In fact, last night, I had a tour
last night, no joke, Ron, I'm exactly a tour one thousand,
nine hundred and ninety So September twenty seventh of twenty
twenty three, I had my regular tour. We're having this
I do all my regular talk in the beginning at
that time. That would take you half an hour for
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a fundance, and I explain all about what you're going
to see, not going to see, how to know if
it's satellites, how to know if it's planes. You guys,
I cover all that in space, you know. And how
do you know what kind of aircraft you're seeing. There's
different stroke patterns for private aircraft, commercial aircraft, and military aircraft.
And so by the So what it happened is I
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had two fam I had ten people with me. That's
why I limit my tours two nine ten people. It
was two families and a couple. One of both families
actually said, we've seen you. We've seen you in documentaries,
we've seen you on you know, heard you on radio
and this and that. But we follow your stuff, so
we have questions for you about your own personal experiences.
I said, wait till the second hour. See back then.
(31:18):
We have the most sightings in the first hour. And
the reason is it was all about an angle of
sunlight that even though it's dark where we are in
the first two hours after sunset, everything in the upper
atmosphere is still in sunlight. So we have the benefit
of this giant spotlight called the sun lighting stuff up
for us. So I would say, we again, the most
sightings in the first hour. Here's you're seeing metal reflect sunlight.
And by the way, that is the reason you see
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satellite satellites have no lighting on them. The only reason
you ever see satellites is because they're reflecting sunlight. They
have no wining. It'd be complete, they have very limited
battery strength. It'd be complete, utter waste of limited battery.
There'll be no reason to ever do it. So again,
you only see them reflect sunlight. They're metal reflecting sunlight.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Well, so are craft? Okay, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
And and so we would have most signs in the
first hour and the second art would taper off with
less sightings over time. So I told the two families
who wanted to ask me about my own experiences that
night again this is September twenty seven, twenty three. They said, okay,
I said, wait and save your stuff because the second
hour will take road. So I will, you know, tell
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you stories and stuff in the second hour. And so
we started to have signs, and I covered all about planes, helicopters,
satellite strones. I cover all that stuff. And they knew
all about whether it was private, commercial, or military. Will
military aircraft have a unique triple blinking feature on their strobes.
They're all required by the FAA Federal administration to have
strobes on them, and they go D D D D
(32:42):
D D D D d D. Did you know, like
triple blink?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
And then commercial aircraft has a single blink or private
private commercial single blink, some commercial have a double and
some small military, but most military, and then so et cetera.
So that night I had gone through all that, and
so by the time it's well into the second hour,
not only we had a ton of sightings, but my
clients were well versed in seeing military aircraft. So I'm
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starting to tell stories, and that night we would have
normally ended about mine on the tour back in that September. Now,
now this peak activity, what I call this later activity
we're seeing is peaking at different times. So whatever the
schedule is for whatever's going on at the base, it
has some kind of schedule, but lately it's been speaking
a fortune. I manged own my clients out till like
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eleven thirty because right now it's peaking at like eleven
you know, whatever works. When I had Ross Colthart and
the crew out it was peaking between one and two
in the morning. We filmed between one and two. We
saw most of the sightings that night between one thirty
and two in the morning. Wow. Yeah, that's when they
were filming. Which, by the ways, we're saying, you guys,
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you can't see satellites then there's no angle of sunlight.
So when you see those shows and you see that
footage they filmed out there, and you think some of
those things moving our satellites, that's filmed between one and
two in the morning, there is zero angle. As any
satellite expert, there's no angle sunlight to light up satellites.
They don't have any lightings, so I reach you never
see them. There's zero angle sunlight, which means all those
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things are self luminous. That rules out satellites. Plus that
they're moving in ways satellites don't move. They're turning and
doing things. I mean, Russ says that on the show
very clearly. So that night I'm starting to tell the stories.
It gets well past nine, you know, just storytelling, it
gets you know, and it's at like nine year on.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, this is this is brand new information to me.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They take a while.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Hey, you think, I take a while and time way
to your Jeremiah man A. Right. So one gentleman is
looking at the goggles at like nine thirty and he goes, we, Linda,
there's a ton of military over these hills that just
keeps coming in and like large numbers.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Is that normal? Now?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Back then, we weren't sure if it was jets or helicopters.
Now from you know, a year and a half later,
we know unequivocally it's mill helicopters. And I've had a
lot of experts going out with me, so just you know,
a lot a lot of experts, military pilots, military helicopter pilots,
experts and all that stuff. So we am so we
started seeing all these helicopters and I'm looking with the
(35:14):
goggles then too, and or now my clients are had
ten people with me that night, start based looking and
they goes this normal. I go, oh, heck, no, you know,
like no, you can fill in a different word and
you get the idea.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
And then all of a sudden, after watching all these
helicopters come in, we started to see objects appearing up
in the sky above the area. Again like we're having
sightings again. It had like calmed down like we maybe
had two in an hour. I mean, it really stopped.
And my clients are like, oh, is this normal, like
to wait an hour and have a whole nother wave
of signs. And I went, oh, heck no, you know, like, no,
(35:50):
I've never ever seen this in thirteen years, and you know,
of all my tours, I've never seen this, and I'm
going no, And so we started and then and then
after or while it was going behind the hills and
coming up from behind the hills, and then one of
my other clients said, is this normal? Have you ever
seen it come and go from behind those mountains before?
And I went, oh, heck no, I never seen it.
(36:14):
And it's like and I go, no, I've never ever
seen this. It's never paused for an hour and started
up again. There's never I've never seen, you know, Normally,
in all the thirteen previous years to doing that of
my tour, we'd maybe one in ten tours see one
military helicopter, and it was that rare one maybe two,
you know at the most, and that'd be like one
(36:36):
in ten tours. It was a very rare event. Probably
even less than that. We never saw military helicopters and
to see them swarming, it was like what, okay, so
the northest night numbers.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
You're like twenty or thirty, right, it's a big yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Well okay.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Now I know on a tour, when we start to
see a lot of military in there, I'll stop and
do account. Remember it used to be zero, okay, and
now I'm also counting if there's military that's snaring. Now,
over the years, we would have jets go over because
ever since nine to eleven, Patriot ethnic patrol all cities,
you know, so that's not unusual to see military patrol.
(37:09):
But they're very high up. They're like fifty thousand feet.
They all have triple blink. It's very obvious what you're seeing.
But you know, we hey, I've seen you know, I've
gotten so used to seeing planes and satellites. I mean,
I've had to become an expert on aviation stuff at night,
just so I know what I'm seeing, what we're not seeing.
I can answer people's questions, you know, But I don't
claim to be an expert on these things. But I've
(37:30):
taken out people. I mean, if I've done one nine
hundred and ninety tours. That's I'd have to do the math,
averaging five to seven people every night, averaging you know,
do the math. You know, I've taken out tens of
thousands of people. I've taken out a lot of experts,
you know, in all various and they come and they
tell me and they educate me and the other people
and so absorbed and I learned, you know, from all
(37:51):
these people. So by default I've had to become an
expert from hearing everb Okay, So going back to and
so the next on the twenty eighth of September twenty
twenty three, I told my clients, I said, we saw something,
we saw something really weird last night, and you guys
need to help me see if this is gonna happen again.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Made its a one time deal.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Not only did it happen again, it was more and
then stame up the next night after that, and the
next night and the next night. And now I've seen
a pattern over the last year and a half that
about every two or three months at like doubles, like
its teeps going up in the wow.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
One of this is incredible stuff. We're out of time,
but it's really interesting. You're making me want to go
on one of these tours. Hopefully we can get some
more updates as time goes on and we'll get more
and more witnesses and more and more information. I really
appreciate it, Melinda, Thanks for taking the.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Time and having me. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Of course, you guys can find Melinda at Center for
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to be on Contact today. I'm going to be
speaking with UFO researcher Melinda Leslie. Melinda has been an
investigator of UFOs and the government cover up for over
thirty five years. For the last fourteen years, she's been
the owner of the UFO Sightings Tours in Sedona, Arizona,
where she has conducted night watch tours with the use
of military night vision goggles. Most recently, she's been uncovering
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what appears to be a deep underground military base hidden
in Sedona, Arizona. This has been featured on a New
News Nation investigative show called Hunting UFOs the Desert Sky Mystery.
Hey Melinda, how you doing good?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Wonderful, glad to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Absolutely nice to see you. Yeah, so it seems like
you guys have 'tcovered some strong evidence for there being
a base under Arizona Sadana.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Oh my gosh, Ron so much. Yeah, I'm part of
a team of people doing an investigation. And there's the
sightings we're seeing every night associated with it, and the
evidence and people having confrontations with the guards outside the base,
and it's many entrances. Is let's just say it's not
a secret that there was a base here in Sedona,
(02:23):
like locals and other people have been rumored for a
long time. Veteran researcher Tom Domgo had researched it a
little bit. But what we realize now as we're working
together as a team, we're all like independent people doing
this research and we joined together because we realized we
had so much data individually and so many cases and
so many witnesses and everything and documentation. When we pulled
(02:43):
it together, we realized what a giant story it was,
and that the base was much bigger than any of
us had realized. I mean, some insiders who've worked there
claimed it goes over three miles in depth, and we
have tunnels that go so fifteen and twenty miles this
way and ten to fifteen twenty miles that way, and
(03:04):
they're all this complex tunnel system for the same facility,
and some of the insiders have come forward said it's
actually separate little facilities connected by this elaborate tunnel system.
I mean, it's a huge, sprawling complex. We now know
that with large tunnels we can get into that and
the evidence for that, and it's just it's so exciting,
and you know, we came forward with the subject. We
(03:28):
jokingly say on the team, we're almost doing a little
prematurely as far as look, do we have all the evidence,
all the final facts. No, but we thought we got
to tell people because that's how you get witnesses and
insiders and people coming forward who know more about it.
So by putting it out there. We're getting feedback. We're
getting and we have had witnesses. Because we've have.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You hadity of the guys that worked at the base
come forward and talk to you on camera.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Well, my understanding is Ross Colthart has talked to two
of these individuals. Now we have had others, but not
on camera interviews. My team members did record audio and
then or took it and or took extensive notes.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
But Ross did interview two people.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Or.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Now here's the thing though Ross says they're not willing
to go on camera. Now, that doesn't mean they didn't already.
That means he can't Eric, you know, so somebody kind
of pulled back who was willing to do it, and
that was supposed to be part of our special that
just aired. I had met Ross over the years long
story short, and I went to him with this story
and I said, look, I think we got a big
(04:30):
story here, and he shared it with NewsNation their executives
and they showed interest, and they came out late last
year and did all their filming and then they combined
it with these other segments that are about UFOs in Arizona,
like they had doctor Lind Katai on and you know
the Phoenix lights, etc. And then this gentleman who was
a border patrol person and witness stuff while being in
(04:53):
the border patrol. So he's actually a whistleblower because he
was in a government position in border patrol security at
the time and they were seeing stuff from their aircraft
monitoring the bar and a number. I mean, he was
sharing the evidence and the accounts of other people. So
it turned into kind of this bigger the government's involved,
(05:13):
their knowledge of it and Arizona story. But it's kind
of climaxing, and I have a feeling Ross is going
to tie it all in together with all the segments
being predominantly about the underground base, which has got reverse
engineering going on it.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It's a very exciting thing and I'm so glad News
Nation picked it up. I had no idea that we're
going to turn into a giant seven sacred thing. Oh
my god, you know, like we never you know, it
is beyond our wildest dreams, and we're just so glad
they ran with it.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
We think.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
So I started to say two reasons why we came
forward with it. One is to get witnesses and people
coming forward and everything from locals and tourists here who've
seen stuff out in the canyons, had run ins with
the guards, found an entrance. You know, we have lots
of those people, but we need more and people who've
worked there, like we were just saying, you know, to
(06:05):
come forward now that that was one reason, and then
the other equal reason is we thought the evidence for
this and what we have will really help disclosure. So
we do have Congress people extremely interested in what's going
on here, and I'm in contact with them, so I'll
leave it at that. But it's very, very, very exciting
that they do have that interest, and that was another
(06:28):
reason we've come forward with what we have to ignite
their interest because we know because this is you know
you talk about in disclosure, and you hear all the
recent whistleblowers, and so after you have whistle blowers and
crash retrievals and reverse engineering programs and psionics and calling
ships in and all this stuff, what is the next
(06:51):
part of that equation? You know, everyone says the money, well,
that would be the next after us. But the next
between the money and all that stuff going on is
where are they going it?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Where is it?
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Where is it, Where are they doing it, Where are
they hiding stuff, where they keeping the information, where are
they keeping the crash retrievals, where are they doing the
reverse engineering? And so we have that piece of the puzzle.
And we talk about this base, not because it's all
about the Sedona base. It's just we're right, we live
right here, we're able to research, we're able to talk
to the witnesses. But it's a case example of many
(07:22):
bases like this where they're doing this work. So we
say this is a case example.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Well, let's talk about some of this evidence. Like, you
have some documents that are very interesting, right.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Yes, yeah. To me, the two most I'd have to
really think about this, the two most significant ones. One
is okay, I guess maybe the most significant the two
is doctor Richard Soder, well known author famous for doing
underground based research, underground based, underwater based research, has written
(07:57):
you know a number of books of six seven total,
I think, and three of them are about that subject matter,
all many years ago, thirty years ago, twenty five years ago,
and I had a monthly lecture series in southern California,
and I even had Richard come speak for me twice.
I had been friends with him for a long time
because what came up in his research is my other
(08:19):
research into Millahuse the covert involvement and abduction stuff, and
that he was contacting me about all that because he
learned that that was going on in some of these installations.
So that's how we kind of became involved. And he
helped me and I cited him a lot in my
research in that regards. But in one of his books,
and I have had the book, I've had this first
three books forever, and I'd recommend it to Jeremiah. Look,
(08:44):
you got to know this guy's stuff. This is the research,
this is the background. And Jeremiah going through his book
his first book, found this informations. But back then when
I read it didn't mean anything to me. I wasn't
living here or anything, you know. And and he wrote
about that there was a and then he presented this
Department of Energy document, so DOE Department of Energy document,
(09:10):
and he said he got it through Free of Information Act.
He was getting all sorts of things. But he started
to learn as people do you know John Old before right?
What was it was nineteen seventy four and is the
date of the document apparently, and they were going to
build twelve more underground installations in the US, is what
(09:30):
this document talked about. And it said they were going
to build three in Arizona, and it said they did
all this ground survey and work to determine where, and
they named the three locations, or at least loosely. Okay,
they kind of gave a coordinate. They gave a little
loose information, but it was clear from the information provided
that it was this installation here is one to three.
(09:51):
And it said they were going to build an installation
out in the canyon here of over five thousand feet
in depth. And so we have a Department of Energy
document saying and then there's a map with a kind
of showing location that was part of the official document,
you know, and saying that we're going to build a
base off here.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
So that's kind of a smoking gun. So we have that.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
So we have that document thanks to Richard Zoder was
in his book. So that was just a matter of
rereading his book and Jeremiah finding it. I'd read it previously,
but it hadn't jumped out at me back then. That
didn't mean anything to me, And of course Jeremi noticed
it right away, and so well, we're going.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
To take a break right here. Let's come back and
pick this up on the other side of the break
and find out some more of the evidence that you
guys have uncovered regarding this military based under said ownA.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronald. We're speaking with Melinda Leslie
and we're getting some of the evidence that they've uncovered
that point to a secret underground base in Sedona. So
what else have you guys found on there?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
This gets a little tricky.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
I had we knew that one of the entrances is
that this and we know there's actually two entrances that
are in the cement processing plants quarrys, you know where
they dig up limestone gypsum and grind them down for cement.
But right below it is it looks like a refinery.
It's the cement processing plant that was long rumored and
(11:37):
Tom Dongo had information where he had interviewed guards out
there who had seen like big semi trucks come in
the middle of night. First off, it's highly secure for Corey,
and it operates twenty four hours and they have a
gate in the front. It's very secure, which seems like
a lot of security for Qurey. But regardless, Tom Donbo
interviewed guys working there who said big semis would come
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in in the middle of the night, right and go
to this go in this security they had the clearance
to and go to this building in the back and
then like disappear. Now, I'm sure those guards knew if
there was an interest there or not, or an entrance
to a tunnel system, but probably had NDAs and securities
and you know whatever, but they couldn't say that. But
over the years Tom interviewed a couple of these guys
who had said somebodys would go in the back of
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the property and disappear.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Just like a den Berport. We used to hear those
reports that when they were building that that these trucks
would just go and then they'd be gone, right.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And then there's also some accounts of like military convoys
of multiple military vehicles going in there. Then there's another facility.
Now we have more entrances than this, everybody, these are
just two in This leads to this other document story.
So there's another facility outside or kind of between the
little towns of Drake and Paulden. When I say little towns,
they consist of like a gas station, a general store
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in a ranch or two.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
And look that's it, you know. So but Drake and Paul.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Then and then there is another ce processing plant there.
Both of those are the lands are owned by the
Indian tribe and the managements by another company or not
the management, but you know, but the daily operations of
both facilities is managed by Martin Marietta Materials. Well, that
(13:15):
should ring some bells to people if they follow the subject.
Martin Mary Materials is how lockeed Martin Aerospace got its name.
Lockheed Aerospace Corporation bought Martin Mated Materials from Glenn Martin
so they could process their own aluminum for making planes,
their own medals and dig up the stuff and have
complete control over the manufacturing of their medals.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
So an interesting coincidence because as we know, we often
hear lockeed Martin's one of the companies that may in
fact have whatever the government has that they need.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, well, there's a lot of really good evidence that
they're involved deeply in the reverse engineering program. You have
everything from the whole story, the Wilson Davis notes and
Admiral Wilson going there to lockeed netlists and State did.
But it was very clear to anyone familiar with that
whole investigation. And now you have doctor Eric Davis, who
wrote those notes, testifying before Congress and actually admitting that, yes,
(14:10):
he wrote those notes and yes that that happened. So
it's all out on the open now. I remember when
that whole group of people had like circled their wagons
and we're talking about it with some of us, Grant
Cameron and Richard Dolan, myself and a few other people investigating,
and we were like, okay, these guys have gathered the wagons.
Whoever we talked to in the bigger group were not,
you know, We're very like obvious that they'd been talking
(14:33):
to each other and it kind of agreed on a storyline.
And so it's just wild now, you know, a couple
of years later, to have Eric Davis out there fully
admitting it.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But what he was.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Talking about was the position of J two at the
time with the government. Admiral Thomas rere I met Thomas
Wilson at the time J two was second in command
of the Joint chiefs of Staff at the Benegon and
he found out about the stuff going on at this
aerospace compan which was locked, and he went there and
checked it out and he was sent away. Anyways, that's
(15:05):
that whole story and why he was sent away, and
he was very upset. And then Eric had interviewed him
on behalf of this group of scientists that Eric was
involved in at the time. Long story short, So Lockheed
was getting a piece of had a piece of crash debris,
and that Robert Bigelow. Bigelow which was you know behind
(15:25):
the asset program if against very complicated, but yeah, Bigelow
Aerospace that they had gotten agreement from Lockey to purchase
or be given that piece of crash debris. And so
because Locked said we've done all the extensive work we
can on this, maybe you guys can do more, and
Bigelow was willing to spend all his money on it,
(15:46):
you know, so he's like, okay, So they were in
an os APP but it was a government contract to
do so. But through the SAP process, the approval of
the spenditure money it got blocked. Okay, So long story short.
So that was another thing that ties Locked in directly.
Those are hard pieces of evidence, both of those that
implicate Lockeed for sure, okay now and even testified before Congress, So.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
There you go. That's on the record.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
So going back to going back to then, so we
we had information about that.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
So soon as I.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Learned that these facilities were being managed by Martin Maned Materials,
I'm like, dang, wait a second. So I did research
initially to find out how much of market Mada Matial
is not making any assumption that is locky, you know it,
because we know that Lockeed bought Martin Maned Materials to
become Locked Martin. Okay, so how much of it do
(16:40):
they still? How much of Martin mad and Materials is
still with Lockey? And it took me some digging, but
I ended up finding myself a nineteen ninety eight document
just looking online doing a bunch of keyword searches and stuff,
and that was The Washington Post did it in their
financial section. Washington Post news paper did a lot article
in their Financial seconds section about Martin Manned Materials and
(17:04):
they're selling off of stocks and in the very end
of the article, because I said how much just Locked
still own Boom and the end of the article it
said Locked Martin owned eighty one percent of Martin Maded Materials.
So I had a Washington Post fully vetted art you know,
article al for they're vetting and everything before they air
something like that, especially in their you know, or print
(17:25):
something like that in their financial section. And it was
this whole thing about the selling off of stock and stuff.
So in the end it said they still eighty one percent.
So of course I told Ross and News Nation about that.
I said, you guys, that's from ninety eight. I don't
know how much they own of it now, but this
Nation did digging, and Ross got back to me and
(17:46):
said they found they got a document from twenty twenty three.
So just you know this, this investigation was happening last year,
so at that point it was only a year old.
They said a document from twenty twenty three regarding the financials,
and in twenty twenty three, Lockheed Martin still owned eighty
percent of Martin mattered Materials. So the management of both
(18:10):
those facilities with those major tunnel entrances are you know,
we have documentation that that management company is owned eighty
percent by locked Martin. So that's pretty good. So that's
a deal. Yeah, yeah, And then and then we have
more evidence about both locations being the tunnels.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
And this is how we know that.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Well, first off, as they said, people see semi trucks
go in the middle night and disappear in both facilities.
I've interviewed and so is Jeremiah, and so is Tom Dongo.
A number of people who live around the Drake paulm facility,
and there's I had a client who lives in the area,
who lives up on a hill out there. And now
Jeremiah met a woman who lives in the kind of
(18:53):
same area what this other client does, and they both
talk about seeing regularly seeing military harry convoys of multiple
military vehicles drive into that facility, which is a small
facility that that cement processing plant near Drake Palin's very small.
They drive in there into that quarry and disappear. And
they live up on a hill where they see these
(19:14):
convoys going there. So you know, so again, lots lots
of evidence.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Now, the.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Television show with the History Channel, everyone's probably famire with
the Skinwalker TV show, well, they created a spin off
TV show called Beyond Skinwalker. Skin Walker, of course, is
all about the ranch in Utah and all this stuff
going on there, paranormal things. Brandon Fugel and the team
at Skinwalker knew that there were these other ranches, so
they started to do investigations in other locations and they
(19:42):
created a spinoff TV show called Beyond Skinwalker to do
to do that. Beyond Skinwalker came out and did we
have our version of Skinwalker ranch here in Sedona called
Bradshaw Ranch. And they came out to investigate Brandshaw.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
That's the one that interviewed, uh investigated for years and years.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yes, yeah, Tom Dongo for years.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Let's take a break right here, Melinda. We'll come back
and get it on the other side and.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
We'll continue with another cliff banger.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
(20:33):
Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron. I'm talking to Melinda Leslie.
We're talking about the possible underground secret base that the
military has in Sedona.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Beyond Skinwalker TV show where I just left off there,
said did this ground penetrating radar and came up with
a for thousands of feet. They did light our scanning
up the mirror, but it went very deep and they
found for the total length that they they scanned, which
was like a thousand feet or so whatever, you know,
(21:03):
a couple of thousand that they found a fifty foot
wide tunnel exactly fifty feet wide, going straight for the
total distance they scan In other words, the tunnel went
beyond that. On the show, they overlaid that on Google
Earth to show exactly where it was. I took a
screenshot of that image, saved it overlaid on a bigger
(21:23):
picture of Google Earth with the fifty foot wide line,
and it goes straight to the cement prop to the
building at the back of the processing plant, straight there,
straight there in the one end I Clarkdale, Okay. Then
the other end goes out where we know that there's
two platforms where stuff take off and launch front based
(21:45):
upon witnesses and insiders. That goes back into what's called
Sycamore Canyon and Secret Canyon, no joke, that's its real name,
Secret Bouncy Canyon. So it goes right back there, and
the line goes straight back there. So that and Bradshaw
is just happens to be kind of like over the
middle of it, but that line goes straight.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
This direction is straight that direction for.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Many miles, and when if you overlay on google it, now,
that's kind of assumption that you're going to continue it straight.
It just happens to go to that building at the
back of the cement and just happens to go to
the back of both of those canyons where we know
there's these platforms. So it's like hello, okay. Then News
Nation did standing. But they found another section in that area,
(22:27):
a fifty foot wide tunnel, and they scanned in another
place and found a section that they think is seventy
five to eight feet white, and the big section seventy
five to eighty foot wide. My understanding is it has
these big metal girders running through it, because they had
additional equipment that looked for metal in the construction and
not just like rebar but like big light probably like
(22:48):
metal eyebeams or something. Giant metal girders running through it,
like very heavy construction. In the big section, Well, fifty
foot white tunnel, you guys, is big enough for two
semites to pass each other. I jokingly say, what's in
eighty foot white tunnel freeway, right, yeah, yeah, you know
we got but they found these two sections that are
all in roughly the Bradshaw area and and and that
(23:12):
they run in different angles from each other, so you know,
you know that, and we don't know if they're joining
up or whatever, but you know, for the parks that
were scanned. So we have ground kindetrating radars showing multiples
of these tunnels. And then we have those two locations,
and we do have the one tunnel system that it
would appear when you extend the line like I said,
(23:33):
it goes directly to one of those locations. And then
we have other places in our canyons where people have
seen military convoys of multiple military vehicles. I'd have to
ask Jeremiah between us, I know, I've got at least
five stories of people witnessing that he's got at least five,
you know. So we have a lot, including the Bradshaw
family originally own the ranch. He's interviewed all the remaining
(23:57):
living Bradshaw members pretty much. And I tell you, man,
this he's getting directly from them. And when they sit
down and they realize we're fairly notable about this, they
opened up with them, and they've told them amazing things
about apparently a neighbor's property near Bradshaw Ranch, one of
the other branches near it, has has had military convoys,
military vehicles going on to that property fairly regularly, you know,
(24:19):
years ago. And I mean because the branch. The last
member to be at the rancher, you know, still in
the Brandshaw family was Linda Bradshaw, and she was there,
gave it up ten or maybe maybe twelve years ago now,
you know, at least ten maybe twelve years ago, and
the government took it over. Now it's owned technically by
(24:40):
the Forest Service, and it's well known for a lot
of paranoral activity. Brandon Fugel, who owned Skinwalker Ranch, tried
to purchase it, but the government wouldn't buy it, sell
its right before Service wouldn't sulative well now with this
you know, ground peg draining radar, three big tunnels.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Going under the area. I yeah, they I can now
know why why they wouldn't sell it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Yeah, exactly, they wouldn't sell it to him, and he
was prepared to do a whole investigation there, just like Skinwalker,
because it's very famous.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That's another one of these victorious ranches with all kinds
of paranormal activity.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You've got it. You've got it, You've got it. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
And in additional evidence, you know, people have run into
with the guards out in the canyons, including again my
team members Jeremia and Alexander have had that happen more
than once. Other friends of mine have had it happen.
Clients of mine have had it happen. Some of them
have been stopped at gunpoint.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
By these guards.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
And you're on you're on known trails, you know, even
like I've been to Bradshaw Ranch a million times, not
undred times. I've never seen guards or anything there. But
friends of mine who've gone out there happen stopped by guards,
clients of mine who've gone out their half.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I just happened that.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
It hasn't happened to me, you know, And Jeremiah's had
stuff happened yet it just you know, I'm I admit,
I'm not the high used to be, So I'm not
going on some of the very difficult Wendy Heights hikes
that Jeremiah and Alexander do. They're they're very physically fit,
and they do they do these you know, ten mile
hikes and stuff that not people were doing. I mean, yeah,
(26:15):
more evidence is the run is like I said, with
the guards. Confrontations with the guards, you don't get you
don't back talk him or say I get to be here,
this is public land, blah blah blah. I mean, they
get pretty firm and they there's a few cases where
they have rough people up, so if you start messing
with them. You know, one guy who's a waiter here
in Tacha is a bartender here in town. He apparently
(26:36):
works an earlier shift or something, and he gets off
work and he likes to hike in Long Canyon, well
known hiking spot here. He likes to go hiking back
in Long Canyon and that's like one of his favorite places.
And he hides back there and one day he goes
pretty late, like you know, it was late afternoon, and
he's hiking way back in there, and all of a
sudden has three red dots on his chest. Well those
(26:58):
are gunsight lasers, and he's he goes, okay, you know,
an outcome six. He has six six dot sized chests.
So six guys come out camouflage, combat boots, kevlar ves'm
sixteen's you know, point out helmets, you know, and they
stop and they said, what are you doing back here?
He goes, well, I hiked this all the time. This is,
(27:19):
you know, one of my favorite hips. And then what
are you doing here today? And he goes, I got
off work and I got work a little later, so
I came by. It was still daylight, and they said,
turn around, come back another day. That's often what they
tell people. But that's just one account. We have a
gentleman who on a on a trail bike, a dirt bike,
go out into Sycamore Canyon, go way off trailway back there.
(27:40):
When I say trailbick was more on that. He had
like a BMX you know, motocross bike, okay, and he
would go back there and jump and practice apparently did
that kind of stuff. And he was back there doing
that and suddenly this door opens up in the ground.
Well I reallyze, you see me on video, but the
audis does it. It's like a garage door. Thing opens
up and out comes three military humbies and they come
(28:03):
and they circle him and and guys get out dressed
on the camouflage.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
They stop and.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
He goes, whoa, and he goes to take off these
guys run up to him. They throw him on the ground,
His bike lands on top of him. They push him
down off us by just kind of sho off, you know,
before he can get away because he goes to like
turn real fast. But they and they go when we said,
because they yelled and stopped, stop haul you know. And
they said, so when they threw him to ground, they said,
(28:28):
when we said stop.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We stop, we didn't mean to leave. It means you know.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
And and they said, what are you doing back here?
He says, I come back here to practice and jump
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
And he's wa back off.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
The main trail. I means many you know, hours back
And and they go on that, go up that and
apparently when they put him on the ground, one guy
kneeled down on his chest. It's Manders standing kneeled down
on Well. This guy ended up getting some fracked ribs
because the guy kneeled on him MILLI heart. Now, I
don't think they were in ten to hurt him. That
the did kneel on him and it did crack some rips.
(29:03):
So this guy, they said, get back on your bike,
go back the way you came, and never come back here.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Again.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Period. That'd be good enough for me if I saw
a three truck out of the ground.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
So Melinda, let's take a quick break. We're going to
come back and we're going to talk to Melinda more
about this interesting case and find out a little bit
more about some of the UFO and UAP sightings in
the area and some of the interesting things with helicopters
that you've seen on her tour. You're listening to be
on Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
(29:37):
Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. It's
(30:05):
Captain Ron talking to Melinda Leslie about this incredible secret base. Well,
let it tell us a little bit about the UFO
activity you've seen. Yes, but you've been doing for fifteen
years almost right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
Yeah, fourteen and a half years. That's right, fourteen a
half years. In fact, last night, I had a tour
last night, no joke, Ron, I'm exactly a tour one thousand,
nine hundred and ninety So September twenty seventh of twenty
twenty three, I had my regular tour. We're having this
I do all my regular talk in the beginning at
that time. That would take you half an hour for
(30:36):
a fundance, and I explain all about what you're going
to see, not going to see, how to know if
it's satellites, how to know if it's planes. You guys,
I cover all that in space, you know. And how
do you know what kind of aircraft you're seeing. There's
different stroke patterns for private aircraft, commercial aircraft, and military aircraft.
And so by the So what it happened is I
(30:57):
had two fam I had ten people with me. That's
why I limit my tours two nine ten people. It
was two families and a couple. One of both families
actually said, we've seen you. We've seen you in documentaries,
we've seen you on you know, heard you on radio
and this and that. But we follow your stuff, so
we have questions for you about your own personal experiences.
I said, wait till the second hour. See back then.
(31:18):
We have the most sightings in the first hour. And
the reason is it was all about an angle of
sunlight that even though it's dark where we are in
the first two hours after sunset, everything in the upper
atmosphere is still in sunlight. So we have the benefit
of this giant spotlight called the sun lighting stuff up
for us. So I would say, we again, the most
sightings in the first hour. Here's you're seeing metal reflect sunlight.
And by the way, that is the reason you see
(31:39):
satellite satellites have no lighting on them. The only reason
you ever see satellites is because they're reflecting sunlight. They
have no wining. It'd be complete, they have very limited
battery strength. It'd be complete, utter waste of limited battery.
There'll be no reason to ever do it. So again,
you only see them reflect sunlight. They're metal reflecting sunlight.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Well, so are craft? Okay, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
And and so we would have most signs in the
first hour and the second art would taper off with
less sightings over time. So I told the two families
who wanted to ask me about my own experiences that
night again this is September twenty seven, twenty three. They said, okay,
I said, wait and save your stuff because the second
hour will take road. So I will, you know, tell
(32:21):
you stories and stuff in the second hour. And so
we started to have signs, and I covered all about planes, helicopters,
satellite strones. I cover all that stuff. And they knew
all about whether it was private, commercial, or military. Will
military aircraft have a unique triple blinking feature on their strobes.
They're all required by the FAA Federal administration to have
strobes on them, and they go D D D D
(32:42):
D D D D d D. Did you know, like
triple blink?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (32:46):
And then commercial aircraft has a single blink or private
private commercial single blink, some commercial have a double and
some small military, but most military, and then so et cetera.
So that night I had gone through all that, and
so by the time it's well into the second hour,
not only we had a ton of sightings, but my
clients were well versed in seeing military aircraft. So I'm
(33:08):
starting to tell stories, and that night we would have
normally ended about mine on the tour back in that September. Now,
now this peak activity, what I call this later activity
we're seeing is peaking at different times. So whatever the
schedule is for whatever's going on at the base, it
has some kind of schedule, but lately it's been speaking
a fortune. I manged own my clients out till like
(33:30):
eleven thirty because right now it's peaking at like eleven
you know, whatever works. When I had Ross Colthart and
the crew out it was peaking between one and two
in the morning. We filmed between one and two. We
saw most of the sightings that night between one thirty
and two in the morning. Wow. Yeah, that's when they
were filming. Which, by the ways, we're saying, you guys,
(33:50):
you can't see satellites then there's no angle of sunlight.
So when you see those shows and you see that
footage they filmed out there, and you think some of
those things moving our satellites, that's filmed between one and
two in the morning, there is zero angle. As any
satellite expert, there's no angle sunlight to light up satellites.
They don't have any lightings, so I reach you never
see them. There's zero angle sunlight, which means all those
(34:10):
things are self luminous. That rules out satellites. Plus that
they're moving in ways satellites don't move. They're turning and
doing things. I mean, Russ says that on the show
very clearly. So that night I'm starting to tell the stories.
It gets well past nine, you know, just storytelling, it
gets you know, and it's at like nine year on.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, this is this is brand new information to me.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They take a while.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Hey, you think, I take a while and time way
to your Jeremiah man A. Right. So one gentleman is
looking at the goggles at like nine thirty and he goes, we, Linda,
there's a ton of military over these hills that just
keeps coming in and like large numbers.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Is that normal? Now?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Back then, we weren't sure if it was jets or helicopters.
Now from you know, a year and a half later,
we know unequivocally it's mill helicopters. And I've had a
lot of experts going out with me, so just you know,
a lot a lot of experts, military pilots, military helicopter pilots,
experts and all that stuff. So we am so we
started seeing all these helicopters and I'm looking with the
(35:14):
goggles then too, and or now my clients are had
ten people with me that night, start based looking and
they goes this normal. I go, oh, heck, no, you know,
like no, you can fill in a different word and
you get the idea.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
And then all of a sudden, after watching all these
helicopters come in, we started to see objects appearing up
in the sky above the area. Again like we're having
sightings again. It had like calmed down like we maybe
had two in an hour. I mean, it really stopped.
And my clients are like, oh, is this normal, like
to wait an hour and have a whole nother wave
of signs. And I went, oh, heck no, you know, like, no,
(35:50):
I've never ever seen this in thirteen years, and you know,
of all my tours, I've never seen this, and I'm
going no, And so we started and then and then
after or while it was going behind the hills and
coming up from behind the hills, and then one of
my other clients said, is this normal? Have you ever
seen it come and go from behind those mountains before?
And I went, oh, heck no, I never seen it.
(36:14):
And it's like and I go, no, I've never ever
seen this. It's never paused for an hour and started
up again. There's never I've never seen, you know, Normally,
in all the thirteen previous years to doing that of
my tour, we'd maybe one in ten tours see one
military helicopter, and it was that rare one maybe two,
you know at the most, and that'd be like one
(36:36):
in ten tours. It was a very rare event. Probably
even less than that. We never saw military helicopters and
to see them swarming, it was like what, okay, so
the northest night numbers.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
You're like twenty or thirty, right, it's a big yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Well okay.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Now I know on a tour, when we start to
see a lot of military in there, I'll stop and
do account. Remember it used to be zero, okay, and
now I'm also counting if there's military that's snaring. Now,
over the years, we would have jets go over because
ever since nine to eleven, Patriot ethnic patrol all cities,
you know, so that's not unusual to see military patrol.
(37:09):
But they're very high up. They're like fifty thousand feet.
They all have triple blink. It's very obvious what you're seeing.
But you know, we hey, I've seen you know, I've
gotten so used to seeing planes and satellites. I mean,
I've had to become an expert on aviation stuff at night,
just so I know what I'm seeing, what we're not seeing.
I can answer people's questions, you know, But I don't
claim to be an expert on these things. But I've
(37:30):
taken out people. I mean, if I've done one nine
hundred and ninety tours. That's I'd have to do the math,
averaging five to seven people every night, averaging you know,
do the math. You know, I've taken out tens of
thousands of people. I've taken out a lot of experts,
you know, in all various and they come and they
tell me and they educate me and the other people
and so absorbed and I learned, you know, from all
(37:51):
these people. So by default I've had to become an
expert from hearing everb Okay, So going back to and
so the next on the twenty eighth of September twenty
twenty three, I told my clients, I said, we saw something,
we saw something really weird last night, and you guys
need to help me see if this is gonna happen again.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Made its a one time deal.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Not only did it happen again, it was more and
then stame up the next night after that, and the
next night and the next night. And now I've seen
a pattern over the last year and a half that
about every two or three months at like doubles, like
its teeps going up in the wow.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
One of this is incredible stuff. We're out of time,
but it's really interesting. You're making me want to go
on one of these tours. Hopefully we can get some
more updates as time goes on and we'll get more
and more witnesses and more and more information. I really
appreciate it, Melinda, Thanks for taking the.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Time and having me. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Of course, you guys can find Melinda at Center for
Neewage Store dot com. You can find me at Twitter
and Instagram, at CID Underscore captain Ron. Stay connected by
checking out contact inthedesert dot com. Stay open minded, in
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