October 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Join Captain Ron and PhD Lisa Puzo Strickland as they discuss the link between human psychic abilities and the UFO phenomena.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with Lisa Puzzo Strickland. Lisa is a speaker and
author who has been researching the science behind intuition. She
took an interest in quantum physics and began seeing direct
parallels between natural science and various parapsychological abilities, thus leading
her to acquire a doctorate of philosophy with an emphasis
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in parapsychology. She has also a lifelong UFO enthusiast who
explores many areas including extraterrestrial life, biomimicry, AI, and the
disclosure of non human intelligence, which she says are all connected.
We'll find out today. Hey, Lisa, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me here today.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Absolutely, I think I saw you last at contact in
the desert. I think I saw security escorting you out
of the building.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Is that Yeah, that's exactly right. It was the wine
bottles that got me, you know, the free wine sitting
around nab a few bottles.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I thought there was a reason, and I remember that
that's the last.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Vision of Christmas is coming up. You know, you got
to get your presence while you can't.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
So listen. It's been very interesting how over the last
number of years in the UFO community we've really moved
towards many of these topics for what people now call,
you know, psi or psionics. What do you think about
the shift from this nuts and bolts idea to this
clearly being more about consciousness and psionics aspects to this phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
What do you think, Well, I think it's long overdue.
The experiencers themselves, those who have been experiencing UAP or
Nhi for you know, more recently two decades, they have
known about the parapsychological component to the up phenomenon this
entire time. So to them, it's like preaching to the pope.
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So I mean no disrespect to talk about it, but
it is absolutely a very integral part of the experienceience.
They feel missing time they levitate, they can telepathically communicate,
They come out of the experience more intuitive than they
were before. So it has always been an integral component.
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It's long overdue that we're finally getting our scientists and
our academics and even military and government experts in on
this very topic. I'm thrilled about it because the paranormal
isn't as fringe as one may think. Now that we're
learning more about a reality, and we have so many
more questions still to answer about a reality, I think
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the paranormal is going to be becoming more and more
normal as we tread these waters together.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that's very true. Actually, every little thing that
I start moving more towards belief in makes me think
that once I move a little bit more, I feel
like I could go even further, which reminds me. I
wanted to ask you. You know, I love parapsychology and
the study of these things, and I wonder why if
certain aspects of it couldn't be used, like you know,
to bridge to open people up to the idea that
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there may be more to this reality or the nature
of reality itself. Like I said, for me, when I
learn a little something and I experience something that I
feel like there could be more. There's a couple of
parapsychologists that I love, like Stephen Schwartz and Dean Rayden,
and these guys have done some incredible, very straightforward experiments.
They buy a case of wine, and they take half
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of that same case, and they get it blessed by monks,
and they'll give it to people and you'll have sample
of the blessed wine and the non blessed wine out
of the same case, and yet a statistically significant number
of people will choose the blessed wine. Why is that
they also do that with like chocolate and other things.
So I wanted to see, do you think that these
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sort of experiments that are very practical and very simple
could perhaps make people open to the idea that there's
more to the nature of reality than they realize.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh, one hundred percent. Experiments have been going going on
for a long time. Remember we were reading about them
with water molecules and ice crystals.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And yes, I love.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That, absolutely the power of the mind has always affected
the physical all the way through. And that once again,
i'll use that word fringe. It was considered fringe and
disbelieved for so long. It was denied. So many aspects
to parapsychology has been denied for literally centuries. I think
it's probably important to pause here and really define what
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parapsychology is. So we have paranormal, which is para means beyond,
so we have beyond normal. Parapsychology is the study of
the paranormal parts of parapsychology, such as intuition, telepathy, et cetera.
Those are tagged pi psi and that's where we get
the term psionics. That's why the sonics is such a
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big hot term right now. It's kind of a grab
bag term because that is the measurement and the detection
of si via electronic means. So a lot of these
experiments that Dean Raiden have been doing, etc. Are basically psionics.
Sonics can also be termed as practicing CE five in
the middle of a desert, where they're consciously calling an
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orb into view and it is being that orb is
detected or measured at the same time. That's all psionics.
It's all part of parapsychology. But when you open up
like what you are asking one part of your brain
to a different kind of experience, you are opening a
window to so many other facets of our reality. It's
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like you pop open a window on one side of
the room and you fill the breeze on the other
side of the room. Diane Hennessy Powell, who is the
force behind the telepathy tapes, she's basically the expert. Those
children were her clients, et cetera. She is a parapsychologist.
She's a brilliant, brilliant she has at least one or
two doctorates. She talks about how when you have a
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paranormal or parapsychological experiance such as an intuitive hit or
you see an orb or whatever, it kind of has
an effect on your brain. It dampens the left side
of your brain. Much like when we fall asleep, we
quiet the left side of our brain, the part of
the brain that's always task oriented and thinking about the
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next thing it's supposed to do, and it allows the
right side of our brain to open up and kind
of play as you will. And that's where intuitions are stronger,
precognitive dreams, et cetera. As we go through waking life,
if we practice that right sided thinking a little bit more,
I think that's when we become more open to seeing
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an orb or having an intuition. It all really plays
into each other beautifully.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
How do you see these different parapsychological phenomena like you mentioned,
like remore viewing, telepathy, psychokinesis, all of these, How do
they play into the contact with non human intelligences?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, experiencers have experienced telepathic communication directly with these nhi
or non human beings. Think back, for so many decades,
experiencers keep getting the same message over and over and
over again, be kind to each other and take better
care of the earth. That seems to be this overwriting message.
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There is a telepathic component there. We have been shut
off from those parapsychological aspects. For so many years, there
were times when our consciousness and our spirituality we're much
bigger parts of our experiences on a daily basis. We
were more tied into nature. We are more tied into
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each other. Telepathy was our original form of communication with
each other as humans, and we had a different kind
of connection with everything around us. We were more ingrained.
We believed that the wind was more intrinsic to our
daily living. We were more connected to the sun, and
we had our feet in the ground. It was a
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very natural experience before we built buildings and had cars
and have long to do list, and we became disconnected.
As we became disconnected from this beautiful bio bible of nature,
we became more disconnected from each other. That then language
set in and that further separated us. So now we
have our own mind, and you have your own mind.
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And as we learn about parapsychology, as we become more open,
just intently, become more open to it, we will realize
that there is so much more to what's going on
within us and outside of ourselves than we've ever experienced before.
You'll all of a sudden find oh I just had
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a precognitive dream, or we all do it every single day.
We think about a friend and then that person shows
up at the grocery store right in front of us,
and we hadn't seen them in years. Those things will
start happening when you recognize them. So the first step
is open as the second step recognizing, and then the
third step is just belief and practice. When our psychologies
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are more open, when we open the aperture to what
is possible, our brain will connect to those things more frequently.
We'll start to realize that intuitions and the ability to
sense something are just a part of our daily life.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, Lisa, we got to take a break there. When
we come back, we're going to ask you exactly how
psionics is playing a role contacting non human intelligence. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa, building on what you
were just saying, do you think it's possible that the
reason more people don't perhaps utilize these abilities is that
they think they can't. Like that whole thing about the
four minute mile. They said no human could ever do that,
and then one guy did it, and so then a
bunch of people did it because suddenly, quote unquote, it
was possible.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Oh. Absolutely. Whatever we believe is what we see. Philosophy
is the root of everything that happens in your life.
What you believe, what your ethics are, what your political
beliefs are, all stem from what you believe deep down
in your core. And what you believe is exactly what
you will experience. A Christian will tell you that, someone
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who's Jewish will tell you that. A meditator will tell
you that. Science and physics will tell you that. Even
Einstein talked about allowing those intuitions to breathe. And if
I go into this experiment believing one thing will happen,
it probably will. It's the Schroeder's cat analogy. The fact
that we are finally recognizing psionics and consciousness as a
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component to the UAP field. Is that just stemming from us?
Or is there maybe an outside trigger that is helping
affect this. I'm gonna talk about a gentleman named Vic Tandy.
Have you ever heard of Vic Tandy?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
He was a British engineer. He was working in a
medical lab in the eighties in the UK, and everyone
in the lab before he started working there swore that
the lab was haunted. They would see apparitions, they would
have tingles up their spine, like as if somebody was
looking at them. So he started working in this lab
and he was having the same experiences and he thought,
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what is going on with this? Well, then he finally
realized that a new fan system had been installed, and
that fan system was vibrating at a nineteen hertz, which
is very low, and nineteen herts just happens to be
the same hurts of the average human being, of our
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natural frequency. So the fan was resonating at the same
frequentence is the human and it was somehow causing these
high levels of anxiety. You're imagining things giving people cold sweats. Ironically,
sometimes we find that the Earth is closer to nineteen
hurts than its normal seven point four or whatever, and
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that's because of they call it the Eyono sphere, and
it's very affected by lightning, which of course is increasing
because of global warming. So back to Vic, he realizes
this and he turns the fan off and then everything
goes back to normal. So the question there is was
it the hurts causing these these false illusions, or was
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being at that hurts allowing more of an open capability.
Did it open a mental or cognitive aperture to seeing
those things that are maybe there, but we're just closed
off to it right now because of our current frequency.
And is the uptick in orb sidings and NHI and
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our overall interest in the other reality of UAP is
that just increased because of our Earth frequency often increasing
due to climate change. See, these are the questions that
are out.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I've never heard that before, and that's very profound. I
like it a lot. That's an interesting question. Hopefully we
can to the bottom of that. Although we have things
like you know, we've had CE five and we have
these other techniques for a while. The calling of UFOs
through psionics really took off with that Ross Colhart when
he did that special with Jake Barber, and Jake shared
the way the military group he was in would call
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in these crafts, and then he founded as you and
I discussed, the Skywatcher, where they claim to be able
to call in UFO craft both electronically and psionically. What
do you think about these ideas? They have even claimed
electoral mechanical signaling system that they have is sort of
a dog whistle that can call in these craft. What
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are your thoughts about that home group?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Okay, notice you just set an electro magnetic Okay, now
we're getting into frequency. We're getting into hurts again.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Electro mechanical is the word they use.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Yeah, but it's sending out a frequency. That's what that does.
It's all related. It's creating the sound environment or the
frequency environment that is necessary. It's always been there. And
whether we do it mechanically or we do it mentally,
or we do it intentionally, it's all the same thing.
Because okay, break it down again. If everything is energy,
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everything is made of energy, everything is connected by energy.
Within that energy, now this is a very raw, raw definition,
very elementary. Within energy is information and that's how information
is passed from one entity to another is via the
transference of energy. That's why intuition is not bound by
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matter or physicality of any sort. That's why a mother
can can into it. It's something has happening to our
child two thousand miles away. Even though there might be
a gap in space, there's a big gap in time.
There's buildings and physical structures in the way, it's a
transference of energy like Chris Bledsoe he calls these orbs
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or his Lady of Light via prayer, that kind of
intention electromagnetic or the psionic team on the ground with
Jake Barber's Skywatcher, they're calling it more consciously. And then
you've got meditators who do it through meditation. Every single
component is related to consciousness, which leads us scientifically back
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to consciousness being an energetic and fundamental form of our reality.
And what a phenomenal time that we're in right now,
because now we have those engineers who are working on
these magnetic and these mechanical elements. We've got scientists in
the lab. We've got anthropologists, We've got psychologists andilosophers and academics.
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We have a whole array of experts and non experts
and enthusiasts and experiencers all jumping in on this, all
working collectively and beautifully together, and we're all getting to
the bottom of it. We're finally asking not just the
question of why, but we're now asking why not. We're
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opening up the possibilities instead of just saying, well, no,
it can't be consciousness based, or it can't be quantum
physics based. There's got to be something mechanical to this.
We're moving away from nuts and bolts. We're talking about interdimensionality.
We're talking about biologics, we're talking about spirituality, even religion.
We're bringing it all into the mix, and we're understanding
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that it all comes back down to a conscious connection
to all of life. That's pretty magnificent.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I'm asking how because you've said that this is all
connected on a sub cellular level. I don't understand that.
Can you square that for someone as simple minded as myself?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Well, now we're getting into, like you said, subsellular, subnuclear elements.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Here.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
These are conversations that Tibetan monks had. They've had these
for tens of thousands of years. Now we have scientists
talking about this. Do we know exactly how the wine
that has been blessed is attracting those people to that wine?
Do we know how the crystal formations are more beautiful
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in a dish that's been given love versus one that
was not. We don't know those answers yet, but we're
learning them. We've got the quality people such as not
just Dean Rayden, but Eric Davis and Gary Nolan, we've
got people from Auvil, from Harvard, We've got the top
of the top that are talking about this right now.
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But finally we're there. Finally these conversations are not being
pushed under the rug. They're all coming out. They're in
the labs, they're in the deserts, they're looking for those answers,
and now finally we have a chance of getting them.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Do you think that these experiences of like esp synchronicity
and all these different paranormal things you're talking about, are
people predisposed to believe in aliens and UFOs or do
you think that a UFO alien encounter perhaps activates these abilities.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, here's the exciting thing is that it's actually both.
There are counts of people who have been let's say
intuitive during their life, or they can just kind of
know something's going to happen. It's been shown that they
are more prone, there's a stronger propensity for them to
see a UAP later in their life now vice versa.
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There are also accounts and reports of those who have
never had an intuitive encounter, intuitive hit, nothing spectacular has
ever happened to them, and yet one day, they see
a UFO flying in the sky. They have a feeling,
a telepath, feeling of connection to it, many reports of
feeling almost a sense of family, of nurturing from it,
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of love with it. And then two weeks later they
had their first precognitive dream. And they're fifty years old
and they never had one before. It's all very mixed in.
That's just one of the many connections between parapsychology and
the UAP phenomenon. For years. It's interesting both of those
subjects were so denied. People didn't believe in either one
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of them because they were just too crazy to talk about.
Now they're on the table and you hear that all.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
The throughout history though it was too crazy to believe
that the Earth wasn't flat at one point, right. I Mean,
that's just sort of something how this stuff goes through. Okay,
when we come back, we're going to ask Lisa about
how all these things seem to be interconnected. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast
am Paranormal podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact speaking
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with Lisa Strickland. Lisa, there does seem to be something
to this idea that everything is interconnected. Synchronicity's hit me
in the face so hard. I have to believe in that.
So that one I'm on board with. Do you think
we are somehow connected to the phenomenon itself?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I'll start by saying that my PhD is a ministerial PhD,
which I'm very proud of. So I believe in God,
and I believe that God is pretty grand. But I
just don't know what God is. But one thing I
do know is that I don't think that humans are
the best that God can do. We're pretty flawed. We're fantastic,
and we're fabulous in so many ways. We can fly
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to the moon and pretty soon we'll be on Mars,
but as far as physically, but you know, we also
do some really crazy, silly things, and we're definitely flawed,
and we still need to do things like take care
of our own habitat. So based on that, I do
believe there are not just the logic of there being
other life forms elsewhere or in our earth or in
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the oceans, but I believe in just the mathematical computation
of it. It just makes perfect scientific sense. So based
on that, I think not only do we all connect
just for the pure logic of it, but we connect
on the physical level. Look at the nuts and bolts,
like you had mentioned earlier. Are these AI Are they
just a form of some sort of digital mechanism. Are
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they robotic? And if so, look what we humans have
already created. We've created brain spinal interfaces bsis, We've created bceis,
brain computer interfaces. Those are all consciously. It's our conscious
attempt to be able to connect with a computer or
connect with an artificial limb. We're doing that through conscious intent,
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and therefore there's that consciousness component there, even embedded in
the AI portion. Now look at biological portion, the biologics
as you will. As David greshcoined, we've got a consciousness
component there. We can consciously connect with one another telepathically
or intuitively, and then we consciously connect with life forms.
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Plants do better when they're in a loving home than
if they're in a home where there's anger, there's just negativity.
So there's a conscious component biologically. Then you look at
the next phase interdimensionally. Jacques Filet also believes that these
are possibly an interventional phenomena. All of that that's where
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when we're talking into dimensionally now we're getting into physics,
we're getting into quantum physics, time space, the scene, and
the unseen, and it's in the interdimensional component of UAP
that's where philosophy and physics and consciousness. That's where they
can all come together and they start connecting. And then
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way over here you've got the spiritual component to the
UAP fhe where people feel like there's this bigger sense
of time and space, that they're a part of something
that's outside of themselves, that there's a creator or there's
a source to this. It's very transcendent, and it's very
wide and breadth in terms of the experience. They all
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drop back down to some sort of fundamental component to reality,
which most are dubbing right now as consciousness. We'll just
call it consciousness because we're not really sure what it is.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
But we don't have words for any of these things.
That's the problem. Even aliens. I love how Whitley doesn't
even call them aliens ever, he says the visitors, because
he says, I don't even know where what they are
or where they're from. So I'm trying to get to
the answer of these two different schools of thought. Do
you think the idea of consciousness and interconnectivity and all
of these sihabilities and they're ties to this UFO phenomenon somehow,
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which seemed to be very apparent, will eventually have to
jive with a more empirical evidence or scientific approach to this.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, so you're saying, are we we're bringing the fringe
into the normal? Is what you're asking?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
This just sort of happens. First everything is fringe. There's
a fringe idea that the earth is round, and then
we kind of figure it out and then it's not
fringe anymore. Right, So, Yeah, but these are two different,
sort of in a way opposing views. One is that,
you know, this is a conscious base thing, and another
one is that it is a empirical physical craft and
physical beings. You know, are these going to have to
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jive somehow? Are they going to have to be some
sort of a bridge that brings those two schools of thought? Together?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well? I truly believe that it's both. The human being
is both a physical being and a conscious based being.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Now really answer, by the way.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean why not? And then you've got what
is it? Simulation theory? Where nothing is real. It's all
a mental construct.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Which just blew my mind and I thought, there's absolutely
nothing to this. And then when you realize that they're
not saying that we live inside a computer hard drive
somewhere in somebody's universe. It's just more of a set
of rules and a system that we operate within, which
is like a simulation that makes a lot of sense actually,
and it answers a lot of the questions, as Tom
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Campbell says, it answers a lot of the things that
science has not been able to answer.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And it does answer intention. It answers manifestation. It answers
when you pray, maybe something will go more your way.
But everything has an answer right now. If I always
believe that you find the answers where you're looking. What
I mean by that is, if you're looking for guidance,
you can either meditate, or you can pray, you do
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tarot cards or whatever, you're going to find your answer. Now,
take that thought and bridge it out to what we're
talking about here, which is a massive change to our reality.
Once we all get on board with the belief that
you ap are real. Now, no matter where you look,
you can look in the Bible. You can talk to
a scientist, you can look throughout history, you can talk
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to an experiencer. You're going to get some form of
an answer from everywhere. Humans tend to be very pointed.
We want to look at one place, we believe one thing,
and that is going to be our source. We're also
very divisive as we go forward, as we're asking these questions,
both why and why not. The best thing we can
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do right now is look in as many places as
we possibly can.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But do you notice, well, now, humans, more than ever,
it seems we all look at the same set of data.
If we all look at the Bible, we will get
nine different interpretations that, yes, the person looking to see
validation that aliens are real, we'll see that in the Bible,
and a scientist will see wheels within wheels as a
physical craft, and a religious person would see that as
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an angel's wings or whatever. We all have this interpretation
of it. I can't wait to see a thousand years
from now where we're at with all this stuff, because
it eventually sorts itself out. You can imagine these people
having these talks a long time ago. If you handed
an iPhone to a tribe separated from society. It was
so far past them that they can't even get their
head around it. I feel like a lot of these
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things are that way to us right now.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Oh yeah, we're living in a cargo cult right now.
Have you ever heard that term?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Of course, I know exactly what that is. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Basically, when the Islanders were living on their island and
they were secluded from real life, and all of a
sudden there were military men and airplanes that were landing
on their island, they had never seen them before ever,
so they immediately thought of them as gods, just like
ancient ancient times when Uap and Nhi were landing on
the earth and they were helping man kind of move
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about and learn a few things. Okay, they were considered gods.
It's all related. Right now, we're in that same mode.
We're in a cargo cult. We're seeing an occasional orb,
or we're seeing a jellyfish, or we're seeing something come
in and out of the water. Washington saw them on
the river. Different presidents have seen them. It's an ongoing occurrence.
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And because we don't have all the answers, we're considering
all of these things so strange and unique, it's just life.
They've been underneath our nose this whole entire time. We're
all a part of it. And pretty soon as those
answers come, everything's going to start falling into place, and
we're going to realize how simple this all really is.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
That is five thousand years away. I don't think we're
anywhere close to that. I mean, look at the technology
and how things are developing. Now. Did you see just
yesterday or the day before, Elon Musk came out and
said that by twenty thirty, not thirty thirty. By twenty thirty,
robots will be advanced enough to do things for us,
and that jobs will become optional. Everyone will have the
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best medical care, food, home, transport, and everything else sustainable abundance.
I just can't even get my head around that there's
any chance that that's true.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We're all going to be like those people in Wally
that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, of course, sitting eating, drinking the dapor ease with
our feet off and everything being done for us. But
if you would have said thirty thirty, I'd say, well,
you know, maybe twenty thirty. It's what four years from now?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There's no Yeah. And I also heard that by twenty thirty,
Wall have an average of five to ten robots in
every household.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What do you mean by robot? Is an eye? Robot?
Vacuum that I have over here is that considered one?
And the refrigerator that tells me what to order is
that another one? I mean? So, then then I would
believe that are you calling the iPhone of robot? You know?
And where's that line?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
That's as long as someone's mowing the grass. I'm a
happy woman.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Exactly. There you go. I'll take a quick break there, Lisa.
We'll come back, and Lisa says that she's convinced that
there's an et presence here on Earth and that we
are living in the age of disclosure. When we come back,
we'll find out why she feels that way about those
two things. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are
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back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa,
you seem very convinced about the extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.
What makes you so convinced to that?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, I personally have never witnessed a UAP or nhi
is as long as I know of at least. So
when I was in grade school, I would sit there
at Faith Baptist Church and school, and I would hear
Bible stories in chapel and I would think to myself, Wow,
that kind of sounds more like an alien story than
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a Biblical story, especially things like Joana and the whale
and talking about eyes and portals, and my brain just
already went there.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And you know, Vandanagan says the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah he did. And actually we had that book in
our house growing up, and I'm sure that played a part.
And so when I would leave and go to my
little Baptist school, I read that as a very young girl.
I was probably pretty young for reading that, but then
going to my Baptist school and hearing those stories, it
all just kind of computed for me. It all just
made perfect sense. So I was that girl. When I
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was living in Los Angeles, I was not standing in
a long line waiting to get into the roxy with
all the other girls in their twenties. I was running
home to catch X Files by eight o'clock with the takeout.
So I had a predisposition for it. Since I was
very very young, and then when I started learning about
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it and making this a part of my repertoire, and
then I eventually got a PhD. In all of this,
my world opened up, and that's when I started meeting
people and hearing these real stories from everyone from Rear
Admiral Tim Galladett to Professor Gary Nolan at Stanford and
Eric Davis, who who is just an incredible physicist. It's
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just really truly amazing. But it's been the honest encounters
from regular friends who have seen things. My mom and
uncle saw things over the hills of West Hills, California
that all played into it. I can't imagine a reality
of their only being life on Earth. That just seems
too small and too insignificant, especially when I do believe
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in God and I believe that what he has created
is a lot more grand than we humans can actually
ever conceptualize.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think it's very common to believe that there is
life out there. I think that's pretty much accepted. Even
scientific world seems to believe that the question is whether
or not they've come here.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I personally believe that they have. When you look at
the evidence, the evidence is stacked. We're still cifling through
a lot of that evidence to come up with concrete proof.
For instance, you just saw the hellfire missile hitting what
they dubbed a balloon at first, but whatever that was,
it was it was some sort of craft that was
flying that broke up into three or four parts, and
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then to continue flying at the same exact high speed,
that to me is proof. I don't think that we
have to go far for that, but you know, we've
really come far in our disclosure. Disclosure has been happening
for decades. It is up on the those big Hollywood
screens for so long, and now.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
It's all You've asked it, right, why do you think, Yeah,
you say that we're living in an age of disclosure?
Why do you think that that's happening? Because I think
if you ask the average person on the street, they
would say, no, there's what do you mean disclosure?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Well, it depends on whatever it is that you're tuned into.
Some people are very tuned into ecology and some are
really tuned into politics. And it's not necessarily a trendy subject,
but it is a very strongly growing subject. And look
at how everything has changed. It was just in Hollywood
screens and now it's Washington streets, it's in hallways, it's
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in Congress. You know, we've taken it off of the
movie scripted and into a military skiff. It's expanding greatly,
So in terms of being everyday conversation, maybe it's not
there yet. I still get strange looks when I tell
people that I am into this UAP stuff, and they
don't understand why because it's not an everyday conversation. But
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there was a time when the placement of the sun
was not everyday conversation, and eventually we figured out that,
you know, not everything revolves around the earth. You know,
we figured it out, and then it became everyday conversation.
It became a part of our textbooks. We're breaching into that.
We're just on the cusp of that. There are just
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now courses and there's only one university that's offering a
bachelor's or a master's in this. We're just on the cusp.
So it's almost a little premature to be saying why,
because in fact, it's happening right in front of us
right now. We've never had the involvement from so many
different aspects of education and intelligence all involved at one time.
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So ask me that question a year from now, and
I think we'll have even a much broader answer.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Than we want to answer this question. Do you see
official government big D disclosure as they call it, happening,
and if so, when do you see that happening.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I do not personally feel that there is ever going
to be a president standing at a podium saying yes,
they are here. I know a lot of people really
hope for that, A lot of people think it would
make things a lot easier. But wouldn't that unravel a lot.
I mean, once you start pulling back the bandiate, everybody's
going to start ripping things left and right, and it's
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going to open up a complete can of worms in
terms of well, okay, uh, we're not satisfied with that answer.
Human beings are never satisfied. We want more. We want more,
they want to we want we want to create some
sort of form of information that we can all decide
to disagree with. You know, that's just what we do.
We're kind of funny that way. But I think it's
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going to continue the way it is, maybe just at
a faster pace. And that's not just on us. I
think part of it's on the uap nhi.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah right, yeah, I don't see big D disclosure happening
at all either. What do you think to hold up
and the reason for the secrecy would be then.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
In the terms of the government military.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, well, whoever knows that this is a real phenomenon,
whoever holds these you know, physical proof, if they have craft,
if they have bodies, if they have you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Well, they say a lot of it is because of
security secrets and you know, not wanting to share too
much intel between countries, et cetera. And the energy Yeah, possibly,
you know, you just like with everything, you've got to
follow the money. You know, who are the private companies
that have this technology already, that are already reverse engineering
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it or have been for many years. What are they
gaining from this? What ties do they have with government?
Who are the lobbyists, where's the funding coming from? You know,
those are very intricate questions, you know, even military. How
is our military benefited from some of this reverse engineering?
What secrets do we want to let out and what
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secrets do we not want to let out. That's a
big machine and that's a big ass to ask our
government or any government of the world to please disclose
this all at one time. I just don't see that
that happening right now. But always follow the money and
really watch the wording. Sometimes deep within the wording, they're
saying a lot more than they're saying. What the actual verbiage.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Got into the head? What do you think is at
the heart of the phenomenon? Physical craft, interdimensional, just manifestations
of consciousness? What do you think it is?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I think it's physical. I believe it's biological, and I
believe that we are all consciously connected, and as we
become more and more aware of that, those conscious connections
will strengthen, and hopefully, can I revert back to something
I said earlier, maybe we'll start to listen and be
a little kinder to each other and most certainly take
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better care of our own earth.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Wouldn't that be nice? I would love to see all
of those things happen. I'm as skeptical of that as
I am about the disclosure, but let's pray hope that happens.
Thanks a lot, Lisa, to a lot of fun. You
can find Lisa at Lisa Puzzo STRICKLANDPHD dot com. You
can find me at Captain ronnophd dot org. Also, I'm
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today we're
speaking with Lisa Puzzo Strickland. Lisa is a speaker and
author who has been researching the science behind intuition. She
took an interest in quantum physics and began seeing direct
parallels between natural science and various parapsychological abilities, thus leading
her to acquire a doctorate of philosophy with an emphasis
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in parapsychology. She has also a lifelong UFO enthusiast who
explores many areas including extraterrestrial life, biomimicry, AI, and the
disclosure of non human intelligence, which she says are all connected.
We'll find out today. Hey, Lisa, how you doing.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me here today.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Absolutely, I think I saw you last at contact in
the desert. I think I saw security escorting you out
of the building.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Is that Yeah, that's exactly right. It was the wine
bottles that got me, you know, the free wine sitting
around nab a few bottles.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I thought there was a reason, and I remember that
that's the last.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Vision of Christmas is coming up. You know, you got
to get your presence while you can't.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
So listen. It's been very interesting how over the last
number of years in the UFO community we've really moved
towards many of these topics for what people now call,
you know, psi or psionics. What do you think about
the shift from this nuts and bolts idea to this
clearly being more about consciousness and psionics aspects to this phenomenon.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
What do you think, Well, I think it's long overdue.
The experiencers themselves, those who have been experiencing UAP or
Nhi for you know, more recently two decades, they have
known about the parapsychological component to the up phenomenon this
entire time. So to them, it's like preaching to the pope.
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So I mean no disrespect to talk about it, but
it is absolutely a very integral part of the experienceience.
They feel missing time they levitate, they can telepathically communicate,
They come out of the experience more intuitive than they
were before. So it has always been an integral component.
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It's long overdue that we're finally getting our scientists and
our academics and even military and government experts in on
this very topic. I'm thrilled about it because the paranormal
isn't as fringe as one may think. Now that we're
learning more about a reality, and we have so many
more questions still to answer about a reality, I think
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the paranormal is going to be becoming more and more
normal as we tread these waters together.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I think that's very true. Actually, every little thing that
I start moving more towards belief in makes me think
that once I move a little bit more, I feel
like I could go even further, which reminds me. I
wanted to ask you. You know, I love parapsychology and
the study of these things, and I wonder why if
certain aspects of it couldn't be used, like you know,
to bridge to open people up to the idea that
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there may be more to this reality or the nature
of reality itself. Like I said, for me, when I
learn a little something and I experience something that I
feel like there could be more. There's a couple of
parapsychologists that I love, like Stephen Schwartz and Dean Rayden,
and these guys have done some incredible, very straightforward experiments.
They buy a case of wine, and they take half
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of that same case, and they get it blessed by monks,
and they'll give it to people and you'll have sample
of the blessed wine and the non blessed wine out
of the same case, and yet a statistically significant number
of people will choose the blessed wine. Why is that
they also do that with like chocolate and other things.
So I wanted to see, do you think that these
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sort of experiments that are very practical and very simple
could perhaps make people open to the idea that there's
more to the nature of reality than they realize.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh, one hundred percent. Experiments have been going going on
for a long time. Remember we were reading about them
with water molecules and ice crystals.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
And yes, I love.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
That, absolutely the power of the mind has always affected
the physical all the way through. And that once again,
i'll use that word fringe. It was considered fringe and
disbelieved for so long. It was denied. So many aspects
to parapsychology has been denied for literally centuries. I think
it's probably important to pause here and really define what
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parapsychology is. So we have paranormal, which is para means beyond,
so we have beyond normal. Parapsychology is the study of
the paranormal parts of parapsychology, such as intuition, telepathy, et cetera.
Those are tagged pi psi and that's where we get
the term psionics. That's why the sonics is such a
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big hot term right now. It's kind of a grab
bag term because that is the measurement and the detection
of si via electronic means. So a lot of these
experiments that Dean Raiden have been doing, etc. Are basically psionics.
Sonics can also be termed as practicing CE five in
the middle of a desert, where they're consciously calling an
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orb into view and it is being that orb is
detected or measured at the same time. That's all psionics.
It's all part of parapsychology. But when you open up
like what you are asking one part of your brain
to a different kind of experience, you are opening a
window to so many other facets of our reality. It's
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like you pop open a window on one side of
the room and you fill the breeze on the other
side of the room. Diane Hennessy Powell, who is the
force behind the telepathy tapes, she's basically the expert. Those
children were her clients, et cetera. She is a parapsychologist.
She's a brilliant, brilliant she has at least one or
two doctorates. She talks about how when you have a
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paranormal or parapsychological experiance such as an intuitive hit or
you see an orb or whatever, it kind of has
an effect on your brain. It dampens the left side
of your brain. Much like when we fall asleep, we
quiet the left side of our brain, the part of
the brain that's always task oriented and thinking about the
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next thing it's supposed to do, and it allows the
right side of our brain to open up and kind
of play as you will. And that's where intuitions are stronger,
precognitive dreams, et cetera. As we go through waking life,
if we practice that right sided thinking a little bit more,
I think that's when we become more open to seeing
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an orb or having an intuition. It all really plays
into each other beautifully.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
How do you see these different parapsychological phenomena like you mentioned,
like remore viewing, telepathy, psychokinesis, all of these, How do
they play into the contact with non human intelligences?
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, experiencers have experienced telepathic communication directly with these nhi
or non human beings. Think back, for so many decades,
experiencers keep getting the same message over and over and
over again, be kind to each other and take better
care of the earth. That seems to be this overwriting message.
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There is a telepathic component there. We have been shut
off from those parapsychological aspects. For so many years, there
were times when our consciousness and our spirituality we're much
bigger parts of our experiences on a daily basis. We
were more tied into nature. We are more tied into
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each other. Telepathy was our original form of communication with
each other as humans, and we had a different kind
of connection with everything around us. We were more ingrained.
We believed that the wind was more intrinsic to our
daily living. We were more connected to the sun, and
we had our feet in the ground. It was a
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very natural experience before we built buildings and had cars
and have long to do list, and we became disconnected.
As we became disconnected from this beautiful bio bible of nature,
we became more disconnected from each other. That then language
set in and that further separated us. So now we
have our own mind, and you have your own mind.
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And as we learn about parapsychology, as we become more open,
just intently, become more open to it, we will realize
that there is so much more to what's going on
within us and outside of ourselves than we've ever experienced before.
You'll all of a sudden find oh I just had
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a precognitive dream, or we all do it every single day.
We think about a friend and then that person shows
up at the grocery store right in front of us,
and we hadn't seen them in years. Those things will
start happening when you recognize them. So the first step
is open as the second step recognizing, and then the
third step is just belief and practice. When our psychologies
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are more open, when we open the aperture to what
is possible, our brain will connect to those things more frequently.
We'll start to realize that intuitions and the ability to
sense something are just a part of our daily life.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Okay, Lisa, we got to take a break there. When
we come back, we're going to ask you exactly how
psionics is playing a role contacting non human intelligence. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa, building on what you
were just saying, do you think it's possible that the
reason more people don't perhaps utilize these abilities is that
they think they can't. Like that whole thing about the
four minute mile. They said no human could ever do that,
and then one guy did it, and so then a
bunch of people did it because suddenly, quote unquote, it
was possible.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Oh. Absolutely. Whatever we believe is what we see. Philosophy
is the root of everything that happens in your life.
What you believe, what your ethics are, what your political
beliefs are, all stem from what you believe deep down
in your core. And what you believe is exactly what
you will experience. A Christian will tell you that, someone
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who's Jewish will tell you that. A meditator will tell
you that. Science and physics will tell you that. Even
Einstein talked about allowing those intuitions to breathe. And if
I go into this experiment believing one thing will happen,
it probably will. It's the Schroeder's cat analogy. The fact
that we are finally recognizing psionics and consciousness as a
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component to the UAP field. Is that just stemming from us?
Or is there maybe an outside trigger that is helping
affect this. I'm gonna talk about a gentleman named Vic Tandy.
Have you ever heard of Vic Tandy?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
He was a British engineer. He was working in a
medical lab in the eighties in the UK, and everyone
in the lab before he started working there swore that
the lab was haunted. They would see apparitions, they would
have tingles up their spine, like as if somebody was
looking at them. So he started working in this lab
and he was having the same experiences and he thought,
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what is going on with this? Well, then he finally
realized that a new fan system had been installed, and
that fan system was vibrating at a nineteen hertz, which
is very low, and nineteen herts just happens to be
the same hurts of the average human being, of our
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natural frequency. So the fan was resonating at the same
frequentence is the human and it was somehow causing these
high levels of anxiety. You're imagining things giving people cold sweats. Ironically,
sometimes we find that the Earth is closer to nineteen
hurts than its normal seven point four or whatever, and
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that's because of they call it the Eyono sphere, and
it's very affected by lightning, which of course is increasing
because of global warming. So back to Vic, he realizes
this and he turns the fan off and then everything
goes back to normal. So the question there is was
it the hurts causing these these false illusions, or was
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being at that hurts allowing more of an open capability.
Did it open a mental or cognitive aperture to seeing
those things that are maybe there, but we're just closed
off to it right now because of our current frequency.
And is the uptick in orb sidings and NHI and
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our overall interest in the other reality of UAP is
that just increased because of our Earth frequency often increasing
due to climate change. See, these are the questions that
are out.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I've never heard that before, and that's very profound. I
like it a lot. That's an interesting question. Hopefully we
can to the bottom of that. Although we have things
like you know, we've had CE five and we have
these other techniques for a while. The calling of UFOs
through psionics really took off with that Ross Colhart when
he did that special with Jake Barber, and Jake shared
the way the military group he was in would call
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in these crafts, and then he founded as you and
I discussed, the Skywatcher, where they claim to be able
to call in UFO craft both electronically and psionically. What
do you think about these ideas? They have even claimed
electoral mechanical signaling system that they have is sort of
a dog whistle that can call in these craft. What
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are your thoughts about that home group?
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Okay, notice you just set an electro magnetic Okay, now
we're getting into frequency. We're getting into hurts again.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Electro mechanical is the word they use.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Yeah, but it's sending out a frequency. That's what that does.
It's all related. It's creating the sound environment or the
frequency environment that is necessary. It's always been there. And
whether we do it mechanically or we do it mentally,
or we do it intentionally, it's all the same thing.
Because okay, break it down again. If everything is energy,
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everything is made of energy, everything is connected by energy.
Within that energy, now this is a very raw, raw definition,
very elementary. Within energy is information and that's how information
is passed from one entity to another is via the
transference of energy. That's why intuition is not bound by
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matter or physicality of any sort. That's why a mother
can can into it. It's something has happening to our
child two thousand miles away. Even though there might be
a gap in space, there's a big gap in time.
There's buildings and physical structures in the way, it's a
transference of energy like Chris Bledsoe he calls these orbs
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or his Lady of Light via prayer, that kind of
intention electromagnetic or the psionic team on the ground with
Jake Barber's Skywatcher, they're calling it more consciously. And then
you've got meditators who do it through meditation. Every single
component is related to consciousness, which leads us scientifically back
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to consciousness being an energetic and fundamental form of our reality.
And what a phenomenal time that we're in right now,
because now we have those engineers who are working on
these magnetic and these mechanical elements. We've got scientists in
the lab. We've got anthropologists, We've got psychologists andilosophers and academics.
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We have a whole array of experts and non experts
and enthusiasts and experiencers all jumping in on this, all
working collectively and beautifully together, and we're all getting to
the bottom of it. We're finally asking not just the
question of why, but we're now asking why not. We're
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opening up the possibilities instead of just saying, well, no,
it can't be consciousness based, or it can't be quantum
physics based. There's got to be something mechanical to this.
We're moving away from nuts and bolts. We're talking about interdimensionality.
We're talking about biologics, we're talking about spirituality, even religion.
We're bringing it all into the mix, and we're understanding
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that it all comes back down to a conscious connection
to all of life. That's pretty magnificent.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I'm asking how because you've said that this is all
connected on a sub cellular level. I don't understand that.
Can you square that for someone as simple minded as myself?
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Well, now we're getting into, like you said, subsellular, subnuclear elements.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Here.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
These are conversations that Tibetan monks had. They've had these
for tens of thousands of years. Now we have scientists
talking about this. Do we know exactly how the wine
that has been blessed is attracting those people to that wine?
Do we know how the crystal formations are more beautiful
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in a dish that's been given love versus one that
was not. We don't know those answers yet, but we're
learning them. We've got the quality people such as not
just Dean Rayden, but Eric Davis and Gary Nolan, we've
got people from Auvil, from Harvard, We've got the top
of the top that are talking about this right now.
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But finally we're there. Finally these conversations are not being
pushed under the rug. They're all coming out. They're in
the labs, they're in the deserts, they're looking for those answers,
and now finally we have a chance of getting them.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Do you think that these experiences of like esp synchronicity
and all these different paranormal things you're talking about, are
people predisposed to believe in aliens and UFOs or do
you think that a UFO alien encounter perhaps activates these abilities.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, here's the exciting thing is that it's actually both.
There are counts of people who have been let's say
intuitive during their life, or they can just kind of
know something's going to happen. It's been shown that they
are more prone, there's a stronger propensity for them to
see a UAP later in their life now vice versa.
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There are also accounts and reports of those who have
never had an intuitive encounter, intuitive hit, nothing spectacular has
ever happened to them, and yet one day, they see
a UFO flying in the sky. They have a feeling,
a telepath, feeling of connection to it, many reports of
feeling almost a sense of family, of nurturing from it,
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of love with it. And then two weeks later they
had their first precognitive dream. And they're fifty years old
and they never had one before. It's all very mixed in.
That's just one of the many connections between parapsychology and
the UAP phenomenon. For years. It's interesting both of those
subjects were so denied. People didn't believe in either one
(20:29):
of them because they were just too crazy to talk about.
Now they're on the table and you hear that all.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
The throughout history though it was too crazy to believe
that the Earth wasn't flat at one point, right. I Mean,
that's just sort of something how this stuff goes through. Okay,
when we come back, we're going to ask Lisa about
how all these things seem to be interconnected. You're listening
to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast
am Paranormal podcast Network. We're back on Beyond Contact speaking
(21:06):
with Lisa Strickland. Lisa, there does seem to be something
to this idea that everything is interconnected. Synchronicity's hit me
in the face so hard. I have to believe in that.
So that one I'm on board with. Do you think
we are somehow connected to the phenomenon itself?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I'll start by saying that my PhD is a ministerial PhD,
which I'm very proud of. So I believe in God,
and I believe that God is pretty grand. But I
just don't know what God is. But one thing I
do know is that I don't think that humans are
the best that God can do. We're pretty flawed. We're fantastic,
and we're fabulous in so many ways. We can fly
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to the moon and pretty soon we'll be on Mars,
but as far as physically, but you know, we also
do some really crazy, silly things, and we're definitely flawed,
and we still need to do things like take care
of our own habitat. So based on that, I do
believe there are not just the logic of there being
other life forms elsewhere or in our earth or in
(22:08):
the oceans, but I believe in just the mathematical computation
of it. It just makes perfect scientific sense. So based
on that, I think not only do we all connect
just for the pure logic of it, but we connect
on the physical level. Look at the nuts and bolts,
like you had mentioned earlier. Are these AI Are they
just a form of some sort of digital mechanism. Are
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they robotic? And if so, look what we humans have
already created. We've created brain spinal interfaces bsis, We've created bceis,
brain computer interfaces. Those are all consciously. It's our conscious
attempt to be able to connect with a computer or
connect with an artificial limb. We're doing that through conscious intent,
(22:52):
and therefore there's that consciousness component there, even embedded in
the AI portion. Now look at biological portion, the biologics
as you will. As David greshcoined, we've got a consciousness
component there. We can consciously connect with one another telepathically
or intuitively, and then we consciously connect with life forms.
(23:15):
Plants do better when they're in a loving home than
if they're in a home where there's anger, there's just negativity.
So there's a conscious component biologically. Then you look at
the next phase interdimensionally. Jacques Filet also believes that these
are possibly an interventional phenomena. All of that that's where
(23:35):
when we're talking into dimensionally now we're getting into physics,
we're getting into quantum physics, time space, the scene, and
the unseen, and it's in the interdimensional component of UAP
that's where philosophy and physics and consciousness. That's where they
can all come together and they start connecting. And then
(23:56):
way over here you've got the spiritual component to the
UAP fhe where people feel like there's this bigger sense
of time and space, that they're a part of something
that's outside of themselves, that there's a creator or there's
a source to this. It's very transcendent, and it's very
wide and breadth in terms of the experience. They all
(24:18):
drop back down to some sort of fundamental component to reality,
which most are dubbing right now as consciousness. We'll just
call it consciousness because we're not really sure what it is.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
But we don't have words for any of these things.
That's the problem. Even aliens. I love how Whitley doesn't
even call them aliens ever, he says the visitors, because
he says, I don't even know where what they are
or where they're from. So I'm trying to get to
the answer of these two different schools of thought. Do
you think the idea of consciousness and interconnectivity and all
of these sihabilities and they're ties to this UFO phenomenon somehow,
(24:54):
which seemed to be very apparent, will eventually have to
jive with a more empirical evidence or scientific approach to this.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, so you're saying, are we we're bringing the fringe
into the normal? Is what you're asking?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
This just sort of happens. First everything is fringe. There's
a fringe idea that the earth is round, and then
we kind of figure it out and then it's not
fringe anymore. Right, So, Yeah, but these are two different,
sort of in a way opposing views. One is that,
you know, this is a conscious base thing, and another
one is that it is a empirical physical craft and
physical beings. You know, are these going to have to
(25:30):
jive somehow? Are they going to have to be some
sort of a bridge that brings those two schools of thought? Together?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Well? I truly believe that it's both. The human being
is both a physical being and a conscious based being.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Now really answer, by the way.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean why not? And then you've got what
is it? Simulation theory? Where nothing is real. It's all
a mental construct.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Which just blew my mind and I thought, there's absolutely
nothing to this. And then when you realize that they're
not saying that we live inside a computer hard drive
somewhere in somebody's universe. It's just more of a set
of rules and a system that we operate within, which
is like a simulation that makes a lot of sense actually,
and it answers a lot of the questions, as Tom
(26:15):
Campbell says, it answers a lot of the things that
science has not been able to answer.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
And it does answer intention. It answers manifestation. It answers
when you pray, maybe something will go more your way.
But everything has an answer right now. If I always
believe that you find the answers where you're looking. What
I mean by that is, if you're looking for guidance,
you can either meditate, or you can pray, you do
(26:40):
tarot cards or whatever, you're going to find your answer. Now,
take that thought and bridge it out to what we're
talking about here, which is a massive change to our reality.
Once we all get on board with the belief that
you ap are real. Now, no matter where you look,
you can look in the Bible. You can talk to
a scientist, you can look throughout history, you can talk
(27:04):
to an experiencer. You're going to get some form of
an answer from everywhere. Humans tend to be very pointed.
We want to look at one place, we believe one thing,
and that is going to be our source. We're also
very divisive as we go forward, as we're asking these questions,
both why and why not. The best thing we can
(27:25):
do right now is look in as many places as
we possibly can.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But do you notice, well, now, humans, more than ever,
it seems we all look at the same set of data.
If we all look at the Bible, we will get
nine different interpretations that, yes, the person looking to see
validation that aliens are real, we'll see that in the Bible,
and a scientist will see wheels within wheels as a
physical craft, and a religious person would see that as
(27:53):
an angel's wings or whatever. We all have this interpretation
of it. I can't wait to see a thousand years
from now where we're at with all this stuff, because
it eventually sorts itself out. You can imagine these people
having these talks a long time ago. If you handed
an iPhone to a tribe separated from society. It was
so far past them that they can't even get their
head around it. I feel like a lot of these
(28:14):
things are that way to us right now.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Oh yeah, we're living in a cargo cult right now.
Have you ever heard that term?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
Of course, I know exactly what that is. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Basically, when the Islanders were living on their island and
they were secluded from real life, and all of a
sudden there were military men and airplanes that were landing
on their island, they had never seen them before ever,
so they immediately thought of them as gods, just like
ancient ancient times when Uap and Nhi were landing on
the earth and they were helping man kind of move
(28:44):
about and learn a few things. Okay, they were considered gods.
It's all related. Right now, we're in that same mode.
We're in a cargo cult. We're seeing an occasional orb,
or we're seeing a jellyfish, or we're seeing something come
in and out of the water. Washington saw them on
the river. Different presidents have seen them. It's an ongoing occurrence.
(29:06):
And because we don't have all the answers, we're considering
all of these things so strange and unique, it's just life.
They've been underneath our nose this whole entire time. We're
all a part of it. And pretty soon as those
answers come, everything's going to start falling into place, and
we're going to realize how simple this all really is.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
That is five thousand years away. I don't think we're
anywhere close to that. I mean, look at the technology
and how things are developing. Now. Did you see just
yesterday or the day before, Elon Musk came out and
said that by twenty thirty, not thirty thirty. By twenty thirty,
robots will be advanced enough to do things for us,
and that jobs will become optional. Everyone will have the
(29:49):
best medical care, food, home, transport, and everything else sustainable abundance.
I just can't even get my head around that there's
any chance that that's true.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We're all going to be like those people in Wally
that movie.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah, of course, sitting eating, drinking the dapor ease with
our feet off and everything being done for us. But
if you would have said thirty thirty, I'd say, well,
you know, maybe twenty thirty. It's what four years from now?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There's no Yeah. And I also heard that by twenty thirty,
Wall have an average of five to ten robots in
every household.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
What do you mean by robot? Is an eye? Robot?
Vacuum that I have over here is that considered one?
And the refrigerator that tells me what to order is
that another one? I mean? So, then then I would
believe that are you calling the iPhone of robot? You know?
And where's that line?
Speaker 5 (30:37):
That's as long as someone's mowing the grass. I'm a
happy woman.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Exactly. There you go. I'll take a quick break there, Lisa.
We'll come back, and Lisa says that she's convinced that
there's an et presence here on Earth and that we
are living in the age of disclosure. When we come back,
we'll find out why she feels that way about those
two things. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast. Now we are
(31:15):
back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Lisa Strickland. Lisa,
you seem very convinced about the extraterrestrial presence here on Earth.
What makes you so convinced to that?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Well, I personally have never witnessed a UAP or nhi
is as long as I know of at least. So
when I was in grade school, I would sit there
at Faith Baptist Church and school, and I would hear
Bible stories in chapel and I would think to myself, Wow,
that kind of sounds more like an alien story than
(31:46):
a Biblical story, especially things like Joana and the whale
and talking about eyes and portals, and my brain just
already went there.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
And you know, Vandanagan says the exact same thing.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Yeah he did. And actually we had that book in
our house growing up, and I'm sure that played a part.
And so when I would leave and go to my
little Baptist school, I read that as a very young girl.
I was probably pretty young for reading that, but then
going to my Baptist school and hearing those stories, it
all just kind of computed for me. It all just
made perfect sense. So I was that girl. When I
(32:21):
was living in Los Angeles, I was not standing in
a long line waiting to get into the roxy with
all the other girls in their twenties. I was running
home to catch X Files by eight o'clock with the takeout.
So I had a predisposition for it. Since I was
very very young, and then when I started learning about
(32:41):
it and making this a part of my repertoire, and
then I eventually got a PhD. In all of this,
my world opened up, and that's when I started meeting
people and hearing these real stories from everyone from Rear
Admiral Tim Galladett to Professor Gary Nolan at Stanford and
Eric Davis, who who is just an incredible physicist. It's
(33:02):
just really truly amazing. But it's been the honest encounters
from regular friends who have seen things. My mom and
uncle saw things over the hills of West Hills, California
that all played into it. I can't imagine a reality
of their only being life on Earth. That just seems
too small and too insignificant, especially when I do believe
(33:26):
in God and I believe that what he has created
is a lot more grand than we humans can actually
ever conceptualize.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I think it's very common to believe that there is
life out there. I think that's pretty much accepted. Even
scientific world seems to believe that the question is whether
or not they've come here.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
I personally believe that they have. When you look at
the evidence, the evidence is stacked. We're still cifling through
a lot of that evidence to come up with concrete proof.
For instance, you just saw the hellfire missile hitting what
they dubbed a balloon at first, but whatever that was,
it was it was some sort of craft that was
flying that broke up into three or four parts, and
(34:04):
then to continue flying at the same exact high speed,
that to me is proof. I don't think that we
have to go far for that, but you know, we've
really come far in our disclosure. Disclosure has been happening
for decades. It is up on the those big Hollywood
screens for so long, and now.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
It's all You've asked it, right, why do you think, Yeah,
you say that we're living in an age of disclosure?
Why do you think that that's happening? Because I think
if you ask the average person on the street, they
would say, no, there's what do you mean disclosure?
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Well, it depends on whatever it is that you're tuned into.
Some people are very tuned into ecology and some are
really tuned into politics. And it's not necessarily a trendy subject,
but it is a very strongly growing subject. And look
at how everything has changed. It was just in Hollywood
screens and now it's Washington streets, it's in hallways, it's
(34:56):
in Congress. You know, we've taken it off of the
movie scripted and into a military skiff. It's expanding greatly,
So in terms of being everyday conversation, maybe it's not
there yet. I still get strange looks when I tell
people that I am into this UAP stuff, and they
don't understand why because it's not an everyday conversation. But
(35:19):
there was a time when the placement of the sun
was not everyday conversation, and eventually we figured out that,
you know, not everything revolves around the earth. You know,
we figured it out, and then it became everyday conversation.
It became a part of our textbooks. We're breaching into that.
We're just on the cusp of that. There are just
(35:39):
now courses and there's only one university that's offering a
bachelor's or a master's in this. We're just on the cusp.
So it's almost a little premature to be saying why,
because in fact, it's happening right in front of us
right now. We've never had the involvement from so many
different aspects of education and intelligence all involved at one time.
(36:04):
So ask me that question a year from now, and
I think we'll have even a much broader answer.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Than we want to answer this question. Do you see
official government big D disclosure as they call it, happening,
and if so, when do you see that happening.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I do not personally feel that there is ever going
to be a president standing at a podium saying yes,
they are here. I know a lot of people really
hope for that, A lot of people think it would
make things a lot easier. But wouldn't that unravel a lot.
I mean, once you start pulling back the bandiate, everybody's
going to start ripping things left and right, and it's
(36:41):
going to open up a complete can of worms in
terms of well, okay, uh, we're not satisfied with that answer.
Human beings are never satisfied. We want more. We want more,
they want to we want we want to create some
sort of form of information that we can all decide
to disagree with. You know, that's just what we do.
We're kind of funny that way. But I think it's
(37:01):
going to continue the way it is, maybe just at
a faster pace. And that's not just on us. I
think part of it's on the uap nhi.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah right, yeah, I don't see big D disclosure happening
at all either. What do you think to hold up
and the reason for the secrecy would be then.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
In the terms of the government military.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, well, whoever knows that this is a real phenomenon,
whoever holds these you know, physical proof, if they have craft,
if they have bodies, if they have you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Well, they say a lot of it is because of
security secrets and you know, not wanting to share too
much intel between countries, et cetera. And the energy Yeah, possibly,
you know, you just like with everything, you've got to
follow the money. You know, who are the private companies
that have this technology already, that are already reverse engineering
(37:54):
it or have been for many years. What are they
gaining from this? What ties do they have with government?
Who are the lobbyists, where's the funding coming from? You know,
those are very intricate questions, you know, even military. How
is our military benefited from some of this reverse engineering?
What secrets do we want to let out and what
(38:16):
secrets do we not want to let out. That's a
big machine and that's a big ass to ask our
government or any government of the world to please disclose
this all at one time. I just don't see that
that happening right now. But always follow the money and
really watch the wording. Sometimes deep within the wording, they're
saying a lot more than they're saying. What the actual verbiage.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Got into the head? What do you think is at
the heart of the phenomenon? Physical craft, interdimensional, just manifestations
of consciousness? What do you think it is?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I think it's physical. I believe it's biological, and I
believe that we are all consciously connected, and as we
become more and more aware of that, those conscious connections
will strengthen, and hopefully, can I revert back to something
I said earlier, maybe we'll start to listen and be
a little kinder to each other and most certainly take
(39:07):
better care of our own earth.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Wouldn't that be nice? I would love to see all
of those things happen. I'm as skeptical of that as
I am about the disclosure, but let's pray hope that happens.
Thanks a lot, Lisa, to a lot of fun. You
can find Lisa at Lisa Puzzo STRICKLANDPHD dot com. You
can find me at Captain ronnophd dot org. Also, I'm
(39:30):
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