November 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Join Capt. Ron for the second of a 2 part series with Bennie Foggins. The pair will continue to chronologically guide us through Bennie's endless fight against censorship, control, and roadblocks by those in power.
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Hi and welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron,
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and today we will be picking up where we left
off with Benny Foggin. Benny has an interesting story of
recovering a piece of a UFO that he and his
wife Patsy witnessed. He has been trying to get it
tested to see if he can prove at the very
least that it comes from an off planet source. Benny
was telling us how he and these high profile individuals
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like Tom DeLong and Chris Bledsoe and even Louelizondo and
others have seen it. I think this is a very
important part of the story, as it shows there must
be something here to keep commanding the attention of so
many high profile individuals. As Benny has stated, this adventure
started over thirty years ago when they first recovered the piece.
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So today I'm going to pick it up with Benny
and his metal material being tested at our lab, and
he's going to show us how difficult this journey has been.
And I can feel for him. He has to trust
everyone every step of the way, and in many cases
he's had to pay for testing out of his own pocket.
It does fascinate me being put in that position of
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having something so rare such as this and like all
of us, really having no idea what to do with it. So,
so what do they want to do with you? Do
they do? They want to do? They want to test
the metal? Now what happens?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yes, they did. They wanted to test it and the
samples and uh, there's a film that they did. Uh
that's on to the stars on their Adam Adam project
I think they called it. Where they picked it up
from our house took it to uh Texas. Polo lou
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Elizondo told us that when they picked up our metal,
that they were followed by UFO all the way down
to the lab and and he said he was actually
fearful of that something bad was going to happen because
of what was going on.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Wow, that's interesting. Okay. So they drive the thing from
your house, they hand drive it all the way to Austin,
and they're going to give it a help put off
to take a look at and study it, right right, Okay,
so what's he come up with? Two weeks?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Okay? Now, Tom DeLong told me that they wanted it
for two weeks. Okay, two weeks turned into five years?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No way?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Uh and you're you're you're calling them and reaching out
to hey, can I get my metal back? And it
doesn't come back?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right? Well, oh my lord, this is what happened. Okay,
about two three weeks after they took it, I get
a telephone call from Tom DeLong and louel Azondo and
they're all excited, and Tom DeLong says, we got your
medal to levitate, and it's giving off a E MF signal,
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and we have this and test it for a longer
period of time. Now, we already knew that that it
had cloaking of abilities, and we knew that it was
giving off a E MF signal, which is something weird
with within itself for sure. And and and now they're
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telling me that it levitates. And he turned around and
he goes, you, your medal is the first one we've
been able to get this to do that. He goes,
no matter what any any anybody else's comes up to
do that, he ges, you guys are the first ones
that actually levitates and and has that EM signal coming from. Now,
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he didn't mention it. They didn't mention the cloaking. Okay,
but I already knew that, right and I told him
about it.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And you witnessed that firsthand, right, right.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So So after they got after I gave him permission
to do that, Louel Azando came to our house by
hisself and wanted me to sign some papers to give
him permission to fill that film where they picked it
up and took it and then all that which I
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never gave him a permission to do anything else, just
just the film part. Okay. So I went ahead and
did that. And then after they had it for a while, naturally,
I kept saying, well, have you guys had this for
a long time? You know what's going on? And uh,
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they gave me a lot of excuses, and but I
want ahead and let them let them have it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So what's what's next do they do? Do they finally
say we're going to give it back to you? Or
and are they keeping you in the loop? Are they
checking in with you and saying, hey, look here's what
we found.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They wouldn't tell me nothing after that, they uh, outside
of one thing. They said that it needed more testing
done and they didn't have the equipment to do it,
and they was going to get the government involved in it.
And uh, Lou called me up and he had the
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uh the people in charge of the lab, the military
lab out of Michigan, and I got to talk with him.
He turned around and uh, I believe the man's name
was Cannon. Okay, And there's and there's more than just
one of them. There was some military people involved. That
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was there in that conversation also, but I got to
talk to him and he started telling me about how
transparent they were going to be. Now they is going
to give all this information out to the world and
all this other stuff. And when he started saying that,
I go, uh, I go whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Wait a minute, I go, I'm not stupid. I said,
now you're gonna you're you're telling me that something of
this metal has cloaking abilities, has a mysterious em if
signal coming from it, and it levitates. And they told
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me that they applied some type of electricity to it,
but they didn't tell me what tight to make it levitate.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I said, so you're going to get all this and
turn around and give all this information to Russia and
China and everybody else out there, right man? That guy
got mad at me when I said that, and he goes, no,
we're not going to do that. He goes, what we're
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going to do. He says, we're going to classify it.
We're not giving out that kind of information. And I go, now,
you're making sense, right, But.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It seems like they were implying that they were going
to be transparent with at least you so that you
would be in the loop.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He said, they was given down all that information to
the world. Wow, you see the way he said. That's
why I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Wait a minute, I said, yeah, because that doesn't seem
to have happened. So once they classify it, is that
when they shut down telling you anything.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yep, exactly. Oh boy, they're even telling them lies about
all of this stuff now, you see. But we have
a documentation written documentation from to the Stars that they
did test it and so forth and so on. We
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can back up everything that we're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, you have a lot of good documentation on all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
The documentation is important to have, and I'm so glad
you saved everything. I looked at it, Bennie, and I
just wish I knew anything about metallurgy so it would
mean more to me. Right now, I feel like I'm
looking at how to build a combustion engine in another language.
When we come back, we're going to ask Benny about
how and when he got the metal back and where
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he took it. Next. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(10:13):
We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material that he recovered from his driveway
back in the nineties after witnessing a UFO with his wife. So, Bennie,
I must say, I am really impressed that you haven't
gotten too discouraged about trying to get to the bottom
of what this metal is. I think I may have
given up on it by now, after seeing how long
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everyone keeps it and how hard it is to get
it back each time would stress me out and discourage
me from continuing to pursue this. Just having to jump
through all these hoops would have ended the pursuit for
many of us. I believe, I know you want this
to help our government and help our military, as well
as validate your own story. But still I find it
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impressed of that you've remained patient each time, and when
you do get it back, you then keep pursuing new
avenues to get it checked out. You keep at it,
and you keep trying to find a new place with
more information. So then where's it going? They did they
finally give it back to you?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know what happened was lou Elesondo palmmed among and
then have fallen out. You've probably heard about all that,
mm hmmm, and Lou lift. And when Lu lift, he
made them send me that piece back to me. But
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what they did was they threw it in a box
and meld it to me. And we had an agreement
that they're supposed to hand deliberate back to me just
like the way they picked it up. They didn't do that.
And when I got the medal back where I was
telling you about all the red metal with the spots yep,
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and all that they drilled out about thirty different places
where that red metal is that they've drilled it all out,
and they'd left a bunch of lit holes all through
the middle. It took took out all the red metal.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Which this seems to be the special stuff. The red
metal seems to be where the.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Lu Milisondo told me that the the red medal was
the super Wow medal, Wow Wow medal.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's interesting. Uh, the wild metal we've got the Wow signal.
That's interesting. Now does Lou so Lou does get that
back for you, which is great? Now, does he come
to you and he wants to take it to arrow? No?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
This was uh let's see the eighteen nineteen twenty one
to two three.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, as you said they had it five years in
twenty eighteen. Is when when two of the Stars took
five years later, it's now twenty twenty three, right, and
finally get it back in the mail. What happens next?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I kept in contact with Lou because Lou was
upset with the way that they handled all this, and
Lou said that they classified it and he and Lou
was a transparent type person, wanted everything out in the open,
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and he wanted the world to know what this metal
did and what it was capable of doing. And he
was trying to get around them classifying it, and they
said that the way we can do that is to
get the metal and have it tested from an outside source, okay,
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and give the results of it at that time. From that,
that's when Gary Nolan, Professor Gary Nolan out of Stamper
got involved. We zoom talks with them and he agreed
to test it outside of the lot of tested at Stamper.
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And what I think happened was that he was working
with to the stars. Gary Nolan was and jop Delay
was as advisors and so forth, so on with to
the stars. He didn't realize who we were when he
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first talked with us. Then when he found out that
we was the people that they classified metal on, he
backed out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Because it's classified. He knows he can't talk about it. Yeah,
it wants no part of it. Okay, Right, That's what
happened with him. So then what happens next? What do
you do with it? Now? You so at least you
have the metal back. It's twenty twenty three. Nolan's out
does does does? Lou say, let's take it to another lab.
What what comes up next?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well, he comes up with the government era.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, that's the brand new Arrow Yeah, division for for
the US government. Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And UH made contact with him. I can't remember the
guy's name. It was in charge at that time, Kirkpatrick. Yeah,
and uh he uh wanted to test out the medal. See.
I talked with them and talked with he left at
the time. Uh, and I was talking with a colonel
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from A A R O. Okay. Also, we're kind of
forgetting something here. Lou and Mellon Chris Mellan two of
the results of our medal to Congress and presented the
results of it and closed door hearings to Congress to
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the Senate, and I was told that it went all
the way up to Trump. Wow, and so closed door.
So it was all that's when they had those all
those guy pilots and stuff going in there talking about
what they had. So everything was top secret. So anyway,
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this colonel from aa RO said that he had a
top secret clearance and he could get all these reports
and all this other stuff, but he still wanted to
test our metal. And then he came back and he
turned around, told me that they didn't have the money
to do it. Come on, that he'd have to pay
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the labs to do the testing and stuff. And they
didn't have that Congress saying that they're going to do
all this stuff. But they never gave him no money.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, so that conversation stopped at that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
This is February of twenty twenty four when you spoke
with colonel Can we say his name? Yeah, it's Kelsey Barnett.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Oh, thank you, old age, And that's you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Spoke to him on February twenty ninth, twenty twenty four.
And this is what he tells you that. So now
what happens, So it's like you one roadblock after another, right, Benny.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah. He said that that they was going to
get all this information to get back, and he had
a lab. He said, oh, now we got a lab
people working for us, and I'm going to have my
technician to talk to you. And it was a lady.
She called up and asked him us questions and asked
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she had permission to get a chunk of the metal
and to destroy it within the and I go, yeah,
I got plenty of that metal. You know, it was
a pretty good sized jump. And so I said, you
guys can do all that, and she's supposed to call back,
and they never got back with me at that time.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Hm, we need to take a quick break there, Benny.
I feel your frustration each step of the way. It
seems like you don't immediately get the metal back. That
would drive me crazy, not to mention the damage everyone
seems to be doing to it from their testing, whether
they're drilling through it or they're shaving off bits or whatnot.
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We come back, We're going to ask Benny, how much
of it is even left. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with
Manny Foggin about the meta material that he's been taking
around the country getting tested here and there. So it
seems to me, based on the very first piece of
chunk you pulled out of the driveway, there's been a
lot of different groups who have taken little pieces and
drilled little pieces and cut pieces off. What percentage do
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you have left of that original giant chunk.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I've got a pretty good size of it left, Okay.
Ron James came out a while back and we took
it to a middle stop and had them drill out
some of the core samples. He's going to put that
in his movie, Yeah, Accidental Truth. Correct, and you'll be
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amazed what happened when they started they said that was
a lunium, but I will tell you this, it broke
the drill and it wasn't a diamond drill bit, but
it was the next one down from wow Art and
it broke broke the drill bit and other things happened.
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So it's going to be really interesting when he shows that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He does it's it's in his film Accidental Truth. Next YEP, Okay,
so have you had more contact with Jacques Vala or
Gary Nolan or anybody else that's looked at this. Where
are we at with all of that?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Gary Nolan and Josh Delay went on the Joe Rogan
program just recently yep, and talked about our medal. Now,
back in twenty eighteen, Jock the Way gave a lecture
in California and talked about our medal. He talked about
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it levitating, and he talked about how it would cost
millions upon millions of dollars to duplicate it and to
make some sort of a craft out of it. It
would take a country like a Merrita to do it well.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Because of the so many rare earth metals and so
many different elements.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, oh, it's got everything you can think of in it.
Jerry Nolan was on Joe Rogan program and he started
talking about that, and he said the very same thing.
It would take millions and millions and millions of dollars
to duplicate this this metal. They started joking around about
it and called it ufo poop.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Does he he did not like the off world or
does he think that you know? It could be something
that we're making.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Joe Rogan asked him about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
M h.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And he turned around us and Nolan said that they
didn't have the technology back in ninety five six for
all this, So so you don't know, you know, is
it's something that they can do.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
That's pretty interesting?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, So where where are you at with the metal? Now?
Did you take it? Now? One more place? Is this
the University of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Ron James took those course samples and hand delivered samples
to a r O to the Senate, the lady that's
in charge of the UFO project for the Senate, Luna, Yeah,
and delivered it to her and I believe it to
Congress also, So we're there that they got they got
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it in their hands, okay, and that's good. Yeah, And
so we'll see if they do anything with it. I
guess is the is the thing?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Now? Did you also? Didn't you? Aren't you currently trying
to get more tested from University of Michigan or somewhere
right right?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Well, after he dropped that all to all these people,
they haven't got back to him, had us for quite
a while, but yes, it seems to be the same
pattern over and over and over for twenty some years exactly.
But there's a professor Mark Hammock m A m m
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i G. From University of Michigan has samples of it
right now and he's finding out some pretty interesting stuff
that's with it, and he's reaching out to the lay
and Nolan and but since then we found out that
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these guys have some sort of a contract at the
c i A. Oh boy Nolan, and he mentions that
on the Joe Rogan programs he's been doing work for
c i A. And also heard that the lady does too,
which makes sense with where they was working with Hon
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DeLong and those guys.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But this doctor seems to be outside of the government.
So if he gave you some information, you'd be able
to release that, right that's not classified.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
That's what he wants to do. And he's kind of
upset how secret to all these people are being about
all this and and and the way that they react
whenever you say UFO metal or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
He's a down to earth guy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Great, now you still have the big main chunk of
the metal.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yes, uh, and the core samples uh, James Ron James
still has those core samples and stuff. So we've got
a big chunk of it left.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Great, So what's next?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Just uh, Well, one thing is is, like I was
telling you that we've had a lot of experience with
the UFOs and the aliens and stuff like that, and
we're trying to get the story out now about the
experiences that we've had and.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Which ties it into the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Right right, and what they're calling bigfoots. Okay, we know
a lot about these bigfoots. We're trying to get that
out there. And whenever I start talking about that, I've
been threatened a couple of times, not more, by some
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of these bigfoot investigators that don't want me to tell
a story about who they are, what they are.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's weird the secrecy that surrounds every aspect of this.
It's so strange. Were you you haven't been compensated for
any of this though, right.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Benny, No, none of it?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And didn't you once you told that that your metal
has already been the basis for some patents and things
used in medical Right, So somebody's making some money, but
it ain't you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yep, Tom DeLong. Tom DeLong told us that they're already
using the uh some of the technology that they have
learned off in the metal and some of these big companies.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That is absolutely incredible. Yeah, and if if it's true,
then it's a real injustice that you haven't been compensated
or benefited in any way.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yep, it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And then they you know, they classify it and then
they don't tell you anything else about it. So it's
it's really confounding for someone who does have a piece
of metal, What do you do with it? Where do
you go? Because if you want to find out, you
want to help share it with the world, it's possible
that our government will get their hands on it, classify it,
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and then nobody gets to know about it. This is
beyond frustrating, Benny, and I feel you. Of course I
wouldn't know where to take it or who to trust,
but I would fear the government might do something sneaky
like classify it, or I'd somehow be cut out of
the truth. We'll ask Benny about just that when we
come back to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
(27:24):
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin about his medal. Benny, So,
tell us what happened with the results? What did they say?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Well, when I started finding out what it could do,
my main thing was because I believe that we just
didn't find it. I believe that they left it to
us were reasons, Okay, and and I figure since I'm servant,
(28:23):
I'm an army guy, and uh and and the whole
thing to me is to get all this technology to
our government so we can get ahead of the game
and stay there. And I think we have done that.
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So so in that sense, I'm I'm kind of I'm satisfied.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In that sense. It's fantastic, and I think they're probably
utilizing that technology. In the other sense, isn't it disappointing
that those of us in the uf community, UFO community
that are looking for evidence and you may have actual
physical proof of an off world intelligence in your hands,
and it doesn't seem like we're really able to verify that.
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Isn't that a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Very disappointing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, but yes, And you know what's great about it is,
you know, I saw a lot of the backup stuff
you have. You've got emails from lou emails from Arrow Gary.
All these people, all you have, all this backup material,
you have, all these lab reports. You sent me some
of those, which was very nice. Of course I can't
read them. It's way way above my pay grade. But
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it does seem to be anomalous in some way. And
some of these technicians that are looking at this seem
to be very impressed and perplexed by this material.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yep, yep, we're doing everything we can to get it
in the right hand.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, that's a hard thing to do, you know. I
was thinking about that today. That know, what, what do you do?
You know, it's not like there's a place you go
and you show it to them and they give you
the answer. It doesn't work that way. There's not like
this store, right, So what do you think will happen next, Benny?
What do you hope to have happened next?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Well, my wife would love for us to be able
to get a little bit of our money back.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I think that's deserved, but I don't know where it's
going to come from.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
No, that's what I chalated, you know, And but you know,
all I could do is everything that we've done so far,
and you know, hope for the best on like I said,
is to get the information to the government. And I
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think they got it. And even though they want to
play games with us and don't deny everything now, but
that that all goes with the top secret stuff, that's.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Good that you're fine with that. Now, hopefully this guy
over at University of Michigan might be able to find
some more details and maybe he could help get some
of this information out a little bit wider.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, yeah, because I tell you we've run into nothing.
Most surprises may is how many crookes. That's what these
guys are.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Right up the chain. It seems like it.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Ombed along, you know, Phillis, Buddinger, on and on, you know,
right down the line.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Every one of them kept something for themselves. Is the
skull for themselves. Yeah, that's a real shame, it really is.
And I feel like you guys have been wrong. But
thank god, somehow you keep getting the metal back, which
is wonderful. Yeah, at oftentimes, you know, you've heard these
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other stories where they took it to a lab and
then it just goes missing. Yeah, oh we lost the
metal what oh ad we shipped it to you? Oh
we got lost. So at least you still have it,
at least you still have it in the hands of
a professor who's taking a look at it, and hopefully
something will come of this.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah. Well, lou Alesando's one of that is the one
that actually got uh the middle back to us the
bigger film, okay, and when they drilled in there, drilled
into it to get the red metal out of it,
he told me that that he told them not to
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do that. And when he's saying they that would be
a Poudolph and the government.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Interesting. Well, Benny, this is an absolutely incredible story. I
hope this gets out there more and hopefully something will
come to light from this, because obviously there's something to
this metal yep.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And uh, well I can mention, Uh, I think you
know Wayne and Michelle Brandon out of Michigan UFO Sightings
and Paranormal Encounters podcasts.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh huh, I know who that is.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
You know they have they have a recordings on a
lot more about the the UFO sightings that we've seen
and uh, the experiences that we've had with these aliens,
uh if they're aliens. And uh, I just wanted to
(33:39):
mention that people can check on their podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And to hear about that, right right.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
They're very very good investigators.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
That's great. Yeah, on this on this particular episode, we
wanted to focus on the medal and where it's at
and where it's going and that kind of thing. I
think it's an incredible story. I feel sad that you
guys kind of have been wronged along the way. It'd
been nice if you would have got a little something
out of us. Yeah, we'll see what happens next. So
you've brought us up to date right up till October
(34:12):
of twenty five. So, Benny, if anything else develops, let
us know and we'll talk about it some more.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Thanks so much, buddy. Appreciate you coming on and sharing
your full story with us.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I appreciate, of course. Benny. Well, that was quite an
interesting story. It's, of course hard to believe that something
would just fall off a UFO, but this is not
the only case. We've heard about instances like this from
time to time, and you have to wonder what would
you do if you witnessed something like this and had
such an artifact. Who do you call? I have no idea.
(34:49):
Most of the labs you call probably wouldn't believe it
or take it seriously. Most of the news outlets you
call wouldn't take it seriously. And what are they supposed
to say, Ah, Hey, this guy found a piece of
metal that fell off an alien spaceship. I mean, I
can understand how difficult this would be, so I guess
you'd try to get it tested and if you had
(35:10):
the means to do so. But then you have to
trust whoever you're giving it up to to keep that
information and share it with you. It feels unlikely that
they would even give you the real results, and if
they did, what would they even mean to you. Benny's
metal seems to be one of the more credible pieces found,
(35:31):
as it drew attention from so many official people, the
rarity of it, the way the drill bit broke trying
to penetrate it, the red metal, and apparently these isotope
ratios that they have found are also extraordinary. It's a
tough situation, and I wonder how many other pieces of
(35:51):
something are sitting in a drawer somewhere around the world.
So I applaud Benny for making the efforts he has
to authenticate his metal and see if it can either
help to the United States or science in general. Thanks
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Contact looks for theatest news in ufology, discuss some of
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the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Hi and welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron,
(01:15):
and today we will be picking up where we left
off with Benny Foggin. Benny has an interesting story of
recovering a piece of a UFO that he and his
wife Patsy witnessed. He has been trying to get it
tested to see if he can prove at the very
least that it comes from an off planet source. Benny
was telling us how he and these high profile individuals
(01:36):
like Tom DeLong and Chris Bledsoe and even Louelizondo and
others have seen it. I think this is a very
important part of the story, as it shows there must
be something here to keep commanding the attention of so
many high profile individuals. As Benny has stated, this adventure
started over thirty years ago when they first recovered the piece.
(01:58):
So today I'm going to pick it up with Benny
and his metal material being tested at our lab, and
he's going to show us how difficult this journey has been.
And I can feel for him. He has to trust
everyone every step of the way, and in many cases
he's had to pay for testing out of his own pocket.
It does fascinate me being put in that position of
(02:19):
having something so rare such as this and like all
of us, really having no idea what to do with it. So,
so what do they want to do with you? Do
they do? They want to do? They want to test
the metal? Now what happens?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yes, they did. They wanted to test it and the
samples and uh, there's a film that they did. Uh
that's on to the stars on their Adam Adam project
I think they called it. Where they picked it up
from our house took it to uh Texas. Polo lou
(02:54):
Elizondo told us that when they picked up our metal,
that they were followed by UFO all the way down
to the lab and and he said he was actually
fearful of that something bad was going to happen because
of what was going on.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Wow, that's interesting. Okay. So they drive the thing from
your house, they hand drive it all the way to Austin,
and they're going to give it a help put off
to take a look at and study it, right right, Okay,
so what's he come up with? Two weeks?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Okay? Now, Tom DeLong told me that they wanted it
for two weeks. Okay, two weeks turned into five years?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
No way?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah anyway?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Uh and you're you're you're calling them and reaching out
to hey, can I get my metal back? And it
doesn't come back?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Right? Well, oh my lord, this is what happened. Okay,
about two three weeks after they took it, I get
a telephone call from Tom DeLong and louel Azondo and
they're all excited, and Tom DeLong says, we got your
medal to levitate, and it's giving off a E MF signal,
(04:15):
and we have this and test it for a longer
period of time. Now, we already knew that that it
had cloaking of abilities, and we knew that it was
giving off a E MF signal, which is something weird
with within itself for sure. And and and now they're
(04:38):
telling me that it levitates. And he turned around and
he goes, you, your medal is the first one we've
been able to get this to do that. He goes,
no matter what any any anybody else's comes up to
do that, he ges, you guys are the first ones
that actually levitates and and has that EM signal coming from. Now,
(05:04):
he didn't mention it. They didn't mention the cloaking. Okay,
but I already knew that, right and I told him
about it.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And you witnessed that firsthand, right, right.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
So So after they got after I gave him permission
to do that, Louel Azando came to our house by
hisself and wanted me to sign some papers to give
him permission to fill that film where they picked it
up and took it and then all that which I
(05:40):
never gave him a permission to do anything else, just
just the film part. Okay. So I went ahead and
did that. And then after they had it for a while, naturally,
I kept saying, well, have you guys had this for
a long time? You know what's going on? And uh,
(06:02):
they gave me a lot of excuses, and but I
want ahead and let them let them have it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So what's what's next do they do? Do they finally
say we're going to give it back to you? Or
and are they keeping you in the loop? Are they
checking in with you and saying, hey, look here's what
we found.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
They wouldn't tell me nothing after that, they uh, outside
of one thing. They said that it needed more testing
done and they didn't have the equipment to do it,
and they was going to get the government involved in it.
And uh, Lou called me up and he had the
(06:42):
uh the people in charge of the lab, the military
lab out of Michigan, and I got to talk with him.
He turned around and uh, I believe the man's name
was Cannon. Okay, And there's and there's more than just
one of them. There was some military people involved. That
(07:03):
was there in that conversation also, but I got to
talk to him and he started telling me about how
transparent they were going to be. Now they is going
to give all this information out to the world and
all this other stuff. And when he started saying that,
I go, uh, I go whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Wait a minute, I go, I'm not stupid. I said,
now you're gonna you're you're telling me that something of
this metal has cloaking abilities, has a mysterious em if
signal coming from it, and it levitates. And they told
(07:49):
me that they applied some type of electricity to it,
but they didn't tell me what tight to make it levitate.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I said, so you're going to get all this and
turn around and give all this information to Russia and
China and everybody else out there, right man? That guy
got mad at me when I said that, and he goes, no,
we're not going to do that. He goes, what we're
(08:18):
going to do. He says, we're going to classify it.
We're not giving out that kind of information. And I go, now,
you're making sense, right, But.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It seems like they were implying that they were going
to be transparent with at least you so that you
would be in the loop.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He said, they was given down all that information to
the world. Wow, you see the way he said. That's
why I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Wait a minute, I said, yeah, because that doesn't seem
to have happened. So once they classify it, is that
when they shut down telling you anything.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yep, exactly. Oh boy, they're even telling them lies about
all of this stuff now, you see. But we have
a documentation written documentation from to the Stars that they
did test it and so forth and so on. We
(09:18):
can back up everything that we're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, you have a lot of good documentation on all
of these things.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
The documentation is important to have, and I'm so glad
you saved everything. I looked at it, Bennie, and I
just wish I knew anything about metallurgy so it would
mean more to me. Right now, I feel like I'm
looking at how to build a combustion engine in another language.
When we come back, we're going to ask Benny about
how and when he got the metal back and where
(09:47):
he took it. Next. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
(10:13):
We are back on Beyond Contact speaking with Benny Foggin
about the meta material that he recovered from his driveway
back in the nineties after witnessing a UFO with his wife. So, Bennie,
I must say, I am really impressed that you haven't
gotten too discouraged about trying to get to the bottom
of what this metal is. I think I may have
given up on it by now, after seeing how long
(10:36):
everyone keeps it and how hard it is to get
it back each time would stress me out and discourage
me from continuing to pursue this. Just having to jump
through all these hoops would have ended the pursuit for
many of us. I believe, I know you want this
to help our government and help our military, as well
as validate your own story. But still I find it
(10:59):
impressed of that you've remained patient each time, and when
you do get it back, you then keep pursuing new
avenues to get it checked out. You keep at it,
and you keep trying to find a new place with
more information. So then where's it going? They did they
finally give it back to you?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know what happened was lou Elesondo palmmed among and
then have fallen out. You've probably heard about all that,
mm hmmm, and Lou lift. And when Lu lift, he
made them send me that piece back to me. But
(11:38):
what they did was they threw it in a box
and meld it to me. And we had an agreement
that they're supposed to hand deliberate back to me just
like the way they picked it up. They didn't do that.
And when I got the medal back where I was
telling you about all the red metal with the spots yep,
(12:00):
and all that they drilled out about thirty different places
where that red metal is that they've drilled it all out,
and they'd left a bunch of lit holes all through
the middle. It took took out all the red metal.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Which this seems to be the special stuff. The red
metal seems to be where the.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Lu Milisondo told me that the the red medal was
the super Wow medal, Wow Wow medal.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
That's interesting. Uh, the wild metal we've got the Wow signal.
That's interesting. Now does Lou so Lou does get that
back for you, which is great? Now, does he come
to you and he wants to take it to arrow? No?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
This was uh let's see the eighteen nineteen twenty one
to two three.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, as you said they had it five years in
twenty eighteen. Is when when two of the Stars took
five years later, it's now twenty twenty three, right, and
finally get it back in the mail. What happens next?
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yeah, I kept in contact with Lou because Lou was
upset with the way that they handled all this, and
Lou said that they classified it and he and Lou
was a transparent type person, wanted everything out in the open,
(13:28):
and he wanted the world to know what this metal
did and what it was capable of doing. And he
was trying to get around them classifying it, and they
said that the way we can do that is to
get the metal and have it tested from an outside source, okay,
(13:53):
and give the results of it at that time. From that,
that's when Gary Nolan, Professor Gary Nolan out of Stamper
got involved. We zoom talks with them and he agreed
to test it outside of the lot of tested at Stamper.
(14:16):
And what I think happened was that he was working
with to the stars. Gary Nolan was and jop Delay
was as advisors and so forth, so on with to
the stars. He didn't realize who we were when he
(14:37):
first talked with us. Then when he found out that
we was the people that they classified metal on, he
backed out of it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Because it's classified. He knows he can't talk about it. Yeah,
it wants no part of it. Okay, Right, That's what
happened with him. So then what happens next? What do
you do with it? Now? You so at least you
have the metal back. It's twenty twenty three. Nolan's out
does does does? Lou say, let's take it to another lab.
What what comes up next?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well, he comes up with the government era.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, that's the brand new Arrow Yeah, division for for
the US government. Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And UH made contact with him. I can't remember the
guy's name. It was in charge at that time, Kirkpatrick. Yeah,
and uh he uh wanted to test out the medal. See.
I talked with them and talked with he left at
the time. Uh, and I was talking with a colonel
(15:41):
from A A R O. Okay. Also, we're kind of
forgetting something here. Lou and Mellon Chris Mellan two of
the results of our medal to Congress and presented the
results of it and closed door hearings to Congress to
(16:05):
the Senate, and I was told that it went all
the way up to Trump. Wow, and so closed door.
So it was all that's when they had those all
those guy pilots and stuff going in there talking about
what they had. So everything was top secret. So anyway,
(16:26):
this colonel from aa RO said that he had a
top secret clearance and he could get all these reports
and all this other stuff, but he still wanted to
test our metal. And then he came back and he
turned around, told me that they didn't have the money
to do it. Come on, that he'd have to pay
(16:50):
the labs to do the testing and stuff. And they
didn't have that Congress saying that they're going to do
all this stuff. But they never gave him no money.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yeah, so that conversation stopped at that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
This is February of twenty twenty four when you spoke
with colonel Can we say his name? Yeah, it's Kelsey Barnett.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Oh, thank you, old age, And that's you.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Spoke to him on February twenty ninth, twenty twenty four.
And this is what he tells you that. So now
what happens, So it's like you one roadblock after another, right, Benny.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah. He said that that they was going to
get all this information to get back, and he had
a lab. He said, oh, now we got a lab
people working for us, and I'm going to have my
technician to talk to you. And it was a lady.
She called up and asked him us questions and asked
(17:53):
she had permission to get a chunk of the metal
and to destroy it within the and I go, yeah,
I got plenty of that metal. You know, it was
a pretty good sized jump. And so I said, you
guys can do all that, and she's supposed to call back,
and they never got back with me at that time.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Hm, we need to take a quick break there, Benny.
I feel your frustration each step of the way. It
seems like you don't immediately get the metal back. That
would drive me crazy, not to mention the damage everyone
seems to be doing to it from their testing, whether
they're drilling through it or they're shaving off bits or whatnot.
(18:35):
We come back, We're going to ask Benny, how much
of it is even left. You're listening to Beyond Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network.
(19:08):
We are back on Beyond Contact and we're speaking with
Manny Foggin about the meta material that he's been taking
around the country getting tested here and there. So it
seems to me, based on the very first piece of
chunk you pulled out of the driveway, there's been a
lot of different groups who have taken little pieces and
drilled little pieces and cut pieces off. What percentage do
(19:30):
you have left of that original giant chunk.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
I've got a pretty good size of it left, Okay.
Ron James came out a while back and we took
it to a middle stop and had them drill out
some of the core samples. He's going to put that
in his movie, Yeah, Accidental Truth. Correct, and you'll be
(19:57):
amazed what happened when they started they said that was
a lunium, but I will tell you this, it broke
the drill and it wasn't a diamond drill bit, but
it was the next one down from wow Art and
it broke broke the drill bit and other things happened.
(20:17):
So it's going to be really interesting when he shows that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He does it's it's in his film Accidental Truth. Next YEP, Okay,
so have you had more contact with Jacques Vala or
Gary Nolan or anybody else that's looked at this. Where
are we at with all of that?
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Gary Nolan and Josh Delay went on the Joe Rogan
program just recently yep, and talked about our medal. Now,
back in twenty eighteen, Jock the Way gave a lecture
in California and talked about our medal. He talked about
(20:54):
it levitating, and he talked about how it would cost
millions upon millions of dollars to duplicate it and to
make some sort of a craft out of it. It
would take a country like a Merrita to do it well.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Because of the so many rare earth metals and so
many different elements.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay, oh, it's got everything you can think of in it.
Jerry Nolan was on Joe Rogan program and he started
talking about that, and he said the very same thing.
It would take millions and millions and millions of dollars
to duplicate this this metal. They started joking around about
it and called it ufo poop.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Does he he did not like the off world or
does he think that you know? It could be something
that we're making.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Joe Rogan asked him about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
M h.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
And he turned around us and Nolan said that they
didn't have the technology back in ninety five six for
all this, So so you don't know, you know, is
it's something that they can do.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
That's pretty interesting?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Okay, So where where are you at with the metal? Now?
Did you take it? Now? One more place? Is this
the University of Michigan.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Ron James took those course samples and hand delivered samples
to a r O to the Senate, the lady that's
in charge of the UFO project for the Senate, Luna, Yeah,
and delivered it to her and I believe it to
Congress also, So we're there that they got they got
(22:41):
it in their hands, okay, and that's good. Yeah, And
so we'll see if they do anything with it. I
guess is the is the thing?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Now? Did you also? Didn't you? Aren't you currently trying
to get more tested from University of Michigan or somewhere
right right?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Well, after he dropped that all to all these people,
they haven't got back to him, had us for quite
a while, but yes, it seems to be the same
pattern over and over and over for twenty some years exactly.
But there's a professor Mark Hammock m A m m
(23:22):
i G. From University of Michigan has samples of it
right now and he's finding out some pretty interesting stuff
that's with it, and he's reaching out to the lay
and Nolan and but since then we found out that
(23:45):
these guys have some sort of a contract at the
c i A. Oh boy Nolan, and he mentions that
on the Joe Rogan programs he's been doing work for
c i A. And also heard that the lady does too,
which makes sense with where they was working with Hon
(24:07):
DeLong and those guys.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
But this doctor seems to be outside of the government.
So if he gave you some information, you'd be able
to release that, right that's not classified.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
That's what he wants to do. And he's kind of
upset how secret to all these people are being about
all this and and and the way that they react
whenever you say UFO metal or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Mm hm.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
He's a down to earth guy.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Great, now you still have the big main chunk of
the metal.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yes, uh, and the core samples uh, James Ron James
still has those core samples and stuff. So we've got
a big chunk of it left.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Great, So what's next?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Just uh, Well, one thing is is, like I was
telling you that we've had a lot of experience with
the UFOs and the aliens and stuff like that, and
we're trying to get the story out now about the
experiences that we've had and.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Which ties it into the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Right right, and what they're calling bigfoots. Okay, we know
a lot about these bigfoots. We're trying to get that
out there. And whenever I start talking about that, I've
been threatened a couple of times, not more, by some
(25:41):
of these bigfoot investigators that don't want me to tell
a story about who they are, what they are.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's weird the secrecy that surrounds every aspect of this.
It's so strange. Were you you haven't been compensated for
any of this though, right.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Benny, No, none of it?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
And didn't you once you told that that your metal
has already been the basis for some patents and things
used in medical Right, So somebody's making some money, but
it ain't you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yep, Tom DeLong. Tom DeLong told us that they're already
using the uh some of the technology that they have
learned off in the metal and some of these big companies.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
That is absolutely incredible. Yeah, and if if it's true,
then it's a real injustice that you haven't been compensated
or benefited in any way.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yep, it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And then they you know, they classify it and then
they don't tell you anything else about it. So it's
it's really confounding for someone who does have a piece
of metal, What do you do with it? Where do
you go? Because if you want to find out, you
want to help share it with the world, it's possible
that our government will get their hands on it, classify it,
(27:01):
and then nobody gets to know about it. This is
beyond frustrating, Benny, and I feel you. Of course I
wouldn't know where to take it or who to trust,
but I would fear the government might do something sneaky
like classify it, or I'd somehow be cut out of
the truth. We'll ask Benny about just that when we
come back to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
(27:24):
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
(27:53):
Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Benny Foggin about his medal. Benny, So,
tell us what happened with the results? What did they say?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Well, when I started finding out what it could do,
my main thing was because I believe that we just
didn't find it. I believe that they left it to
us were reasons, Okay, and and I figure since I'm servant,
(28:23):
I'm an army guy, and uh and and the whole
thing to me is to get all this technology to
our government so we can get ahead of the game
and stay there. And I think we have done that.
(28:43):
So so in that sense, I'm I'm kind of I'm satisfied.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
In that sense. It's fantastic, and I think they're probably
utilizing that technology. In the other sense, isn't it disappointing
that those of us in the uf community, UFO community
that are looking for evidence and you may have actual
physical proof of an off world intelligence in your hands,
and it doesn't seem like we're really able to verify that.
(29:10):
Isn't that a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Very disappointing.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, but yes, And you know what's great about it is,
you know, I saw a lot of the backup stuff
you have. You've got emails from lou emails from Arrow Gary.
All these people, all you have, all this backup material,
you have, all these lab reports. You sent me some
of those, which was very nice. Of course I can't
read them. It's way way above my pay grade. But
(29:39):
it does seem to be anomalous in some way. And
some of these technicians that are looking at this seem
to be very impressed and perplexed by this material.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yep, yep, we're doing everything we can to get it
in the right hand.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, that's a hard thing to do, you know. I
was thinking about that today. That know, what, what do you do?
You know, it's not like there's a place you go
and you show it to them and they give you
the answer. It doesn't work that way. There's not like
this store, right, So what do you think will happen next, Benny?
What do you hope to have happened next?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Well, my wife would love for us to be able
to get a little bit of our money back.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I think that's deserved, but I don't know where it's
going to come from.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
No, that's what I chalated, you know, And but you know,
all I could do is everything that we've done so far,
and you know, hope for the best on like I said,
is to get the information to the government. And I
(30:52):
think they got it. And even though they want to
play games with us and don't deny everything now, but
that that all goes with the top secret stuff, that's.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Good that you're fine with that. Now, hopefully this guy
over at University of Michigan might be able to find
some more details and maybe he could help get some
of this information out a little bit wider.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Yeah, yeah, because I tell you we've run into nothing.
Most surprises may is how many crookes. That's what these
guys are.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Right up the chain. It seems like it.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Ombed along, you know, Phillis, Buddinger, on and on, you know,
right down the line.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Every one of them kept something for themselves. Is the
skull for themselves. Yeah, that's a real shame, it really is.
And I feel like you guys have been wrong. But
thank god, somehow you keep getting the metal back, which
is wonderful. Yeah, at oftentimes, you know, you've heard these
(31:57):
other stories where they took it to a lab and
then it just goes missing. Yeah, oh we lost the
metal what oh ad we shipped it to you? Oh
we got lost. So at least you still have it,
at least you still have it in the hands of
a professor who's taking a look at it, and hopefully
something will come of this.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Yeah. Well, lou Alesando's one of that is the one
that actually got uh the middle back to us the
bigger film, okay, and when they drilled in there, drilled
into it to get the red metal out of it,
he told me that that he told them not to
(32:39):
do that. And when he's saying they that would be
a Poudolph and the government.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Interesting. Well, Benny, this is an absolutely incredible story. I
hope this gets out there more and hopefully something will
come to light from this, because obviously there's something to
this metal yep.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And uh, well I can mention, Uh, I think you
know Wayne and Michelle Brandon out of Michigan UFO Sightings
and Paranormal Encounters podcasts.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uh huh, I know who that is.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
You know they have they have a recordings on a
lot more about the the UFO sightings that we've seen
and uh, the experiences that we've had with these aliens,
uh if they're aliens. And uh, I just wanted to
(33:39):
mention that people can check on their podcast.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And to hear about that, right right.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
They're very very good investigators.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
That's great. Yeah, on this on this particular episode, we
wanted to focus on the medal and where it's at
and where it's going and that kind of thing. I
think it's an incredible story. I feel sad that you
guys kind of have been wronged along the way. It'd
been nice if you would have got a little something
out of us. Yeah, we'll see what happens next. So
you've brought us up to date right up till October
(34:12):
of twenty five. So, Benny, if anything else develops, let
us know and we'll talk about it some more.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Thanks so much, buddy. Appreciate you coming on and sharing
your full story with us.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I appreciate, of course. Benny. Well, that was quite an
interesting story. It's, of course hard to believe that something
would just fall off a UFO, but this is not
the only case. We've heard about instances like this from
time to time, and you have to wonder what would
you do if you witnessed something like this and had
such an artifact. Who do you call? I have no idea.
(34:49):
Most of the labs you call probably wouldn't believe it
or take it seriously. Most of the news outlets you
call wouldn't take it seriously. And what are they supposed
to say, Ah, Hey, this guy found a piece of
metal that fell off an alien spaceship. I mean, I
can understand how difficult this would be, so I guess
you'd try to get it tested and if you had
(35:10):
the means to do so. But then you have to
trust whoever you're giving it up to to keep that
information and share it with you. It feels unlikely that
they would even give you the real results, and if
they did, what would they even mean to you. Benny's
metal seems to be one of the more credible pieces found,
(35:31):
as it drew attention from so many official people, the
rarity of it, the way the drill bit broke trying
to penetrate it, the red metal, and apparently these isotope
ratios that they have found are also extraordinary. It's a
tough situation, and I wonder how many other pieces of
(35:51):
something are sitting in a drawer somewhere around the world.
So I applaud Benny for making the efforts he has
to authenticate his metal and see if it can either
help to the United States or science in general. Thanks
everyone for listening. You can find me at Twitter or
Instagram at CD underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking
(36:11):
out contact Inthdesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational
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