December 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Captain Ron is joined by Retired Air Force Captain, Author, and Aerospace Engineer David Schindele as they discuss the 1966 Incident at Minot Air Force Base!
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to be on Contact. I am Captain Ron, and
today we have the honor of speaking with an actual captain,
retired US Air Force Captain David Shinley. Captain Shinley spent
his active military career as an ICBM launch control officer
with both the Atlas E and Minuteman one weapons systems.
For nearly forty years, Captain Shinley kept his Air Force
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mandated secret of the unearthly experience he had which put
ten of his Minuteman missiles out of commission to himself.
It was only after hearing Robert Sallas and others come
forward with their stories did he actually come forward with
him with his own story. Thankfully, he recognized that the
truth of the UFO question must be released to all humankind.
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Hi Our Captain Shinley, I appreciate you coming on, Thanks
taking the time today.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Hiler, It's good to be with you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know, you had quite a panel there at Contact
in the Desert with fellow nuclear incident witnesses. We had
Robert Jamison and Robert Salas and what was that like
sitting there with those other military people who had virtually
the same experience as you did.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Well, it was quite interesting to meet all those people.
For sure, I had met Bob Sallas previously, but some
of those other people I had never met, and it
was really an eye opener to talk with him.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It was very special for us in the audience as well.
Great to see you guys all coming forward with such
similar stories, which just adds to the strength of these
accounts in my view, would you mind going through the
for the audience. You know what happened to you back
in September of sixty six at the Minot Air Force
Base in North Dakota.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Well, one thing I want to clear up right away
is that I was involved, but I didn't experience the incident.
I relieved the crew that did experience incident. I got
to interview the people top side. There's eight people top
side who saw this object. And then I went down
below and I interviewed the crew members down below and
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then inherited the missiles that they had which were not
launchable because of the UFL incident that they had. My
experience as interviewing everybody there and it was the first
one to see them after it happened.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So eight people top side actually saw this craft, that's correct,
And how do they describe that craft?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
My commander and I drove up to the facility and
I was able to give the passcode to the top
security guard there and he led us in through the
gate and we parked and I went to the back
of the building and after my inspections top side and
met the site manager and he took me to the
day room. Well, he said, did you hear what happened overnight?
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I says, well, I heard that residents of Ballhall, North
Dakota saw strange lights overnight, and that's what I told him.
And then he took me to the day room and
he pointed out with his hands out west facing windows
of the day room and he described this object that
hovered just beyond the security fence of the facility, and
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it had bright, flashing lights and the way he held
his arms out, it looked to me like maybe it
was one hundred or eighty feet wide, not sure, but
is there in that range. The people that were there,
including the six security guards and the cook, they all
saw this and they were amazed and they were frightened,
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and you could tell it on their faces and their voices.
And I asked him a silly question, well, going to
make a noise? Was it a helicopter? I knew I
should have asked that question, But the response I got
was no, nothing on this earth. Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So they wouldn't have been shaken if it was a helicopter.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
No, And hill Coopers didn't fly at night, and when
they did fly, they landed immediately on the entrance road
to the facility. So this is something they had never
seen before and frankly it made no noise at all.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Wow. So then you come down and you're going to
take over, so you go down below the earth right
to take over for your shift to what manage the missiles.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, yes, the top side was called the lodge Control facility.
That was the top side. That's where the guards had
places to sleep, and the restroom was there in the
day room and so forth. And then there's a security
center there at the north end of the building where
the top security guard state stayed there and you could
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talk to the crew down below. And the capsule down
below sixty feet below ground is where the two man
crew lived with the launch control console on one end
of the capsule opposite the blast or entry.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And this crew they showed you how the missiles went
offline completely correct.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
When my commander and I walked into the capsule which suspended,
suspended is inside the outer concrete capsule itself, we looked
at the launch control console that opposite end of the
room and all red lights across the console. We had
never seen anything like that in our lives. Usually we'd
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see one maybe one or two missiles off alert for
one reason or another, and usually it was because planned
down maintenance of the missiles, but something like this was
just you'd never seen something like that, And.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That mirrors the other counts, like Bob Sallison things that
they've said, they've they had one off at a time.
He had only ever seen, never all ten off at
one time exactly. And wasn't it the same designation that
Bob had as well, where it was guidance and control
malfunction unlaunchable.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, we had something called VERSA, the voice recording and
Signal assembly, and we could punch a button and quarry
each missile and it would talk back to us. And
there are several errors of the missile had that spoke
to us, but the one in common that they all
had was guides and carosis and malfunction. I must say
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that I was really really surprised when I heard that
Bob Salas has the same exact situation, which was six
months after the situation that I was involved with. And
by the way, the commander of the crew that re
relieved is still alive. He's still living, but he will
not come out. He worked in the Pentagon ten years
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after may not, and I see him at regular reunions.
I used to see him at regular unions. Our reunions
would be held about every year and a half all
over the country places all the country, and I saw
him just about every time I went to reunion. And
the last one I saw him at was the Las
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Vegas reunion. He essentially told me, he says, this is
a very very serious incident. And when I got to base,
I was directed to sign a non disclosure agreement that
I would never talk again about this. He says, I
want to tell you, Dave, this is last time you
will talk to me.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I gave him a copy of my book and I
never saw him again at the following years.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
So you can tell the kind of impact that's had
on him.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yes, that's very dramatic. When you saw that all of
these were offline, did you guys get them back up
active again or did they come online by themselves? How
did they get active again?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know, I have a lot of trouble remembering that
that part of the story, because after this, the lyric
was the same as all the other alerts, except we
were busy with maintenance crews out in the field. They
were talking to us, asking us to very tests and
so forth. But I never remember a single missile coming
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up at that time. I could be wrong. Maybe one
or two came up, but I was there. As far
as I can remember, none came up.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Is there any chances could have just been a malfunction,
a normal malfunction.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
No, And I tell you the reason why. When the
crew that we relieved got back to base, they had
to sign the non disclosure agreement, but they were never
questioned about the incident. And when I got to Basse
and my commander, we were never questioned about this. That
we're just told to keep quiet and then all shame.
We were told that was on the tephone telephone conversation
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down to the capsule before we left. And so when
we got back to base, everything seemed calm and normal
and so forth, we're mystified, what's going on here? Don't
they want to know about this? And then talked to
Robert Sallace about this and says, you know, I had
to sign a non disclosed agreement also, he said, but
he also said that he was never questioned about what
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had happened. That tells you the secrecy was the most
important of all to them.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Remarkable that seems very odd to me was the conclusion
that UFOs were responsible for turning off these nuclear weapons.
There's that bulland Or memo that said that any national
security cases could be reported through certain channels. Basically, there's
a disconnect. They're internally saying that these UFOs are a
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serious national security risk, but publicly they seem to be
saying there's no threat to it at all. Let's get
Captain's reaction to that when we come back on the
other side. You're listening to be on Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Captain Shinley
about the UFO incident over my Not Air Force base
back in nineteen sixty six. Captain, what is your reaction
to that that they seem to keep this really quiet
to the public, right into everybody.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
As far as their force is concerned. To this day,
it never happened. It will be sixty years come next
September that this incident happened, and for me, this is
really old self. And since then, all these whistleblowers have
come out since twenty seventeen, when these Navy videos came
out and so forth, and the public pretty much knows
now what the truth is because of us Wilson whistle lawers.
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But I have some real still has some really deep,
deeper concerns that I had when I was a might
not and might not I was won of you. What's
wrong with everybody? People must know about this stuff, but
nobody's talking. And now how people are talking.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
That's good. I want to have more and more people.
Every piece adds to the puzzle. You know. It's just
so odd to me how you were saying in the
last segment that you guys were not even really debriefed
at all. You think it'd be prepped that look, if
this happens again, here's what to do, here's the protocol.
But nothing.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, it was really mystifying to us. We saw a
news article on December sixth, nineteen sixty six, which was
a month and a half after our incident, and the
article in my daily news said some to the fact
that saucers at launch Control Center facilities and give indications
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of outer space visitors. I thought, oh, my goodness, six
it gets around town on base, maybe the secret will
come out. But it never did. And then December seventeenth,
Saturday evening posts came out with a story about border
patrolmen going up to the Candydia border with two individuals
to exchange with Canada, and they came upon a ufo
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up on the hillside. The prisoners in the car thought
it was a didn't know what it was and asked
the officers, Oh, that's a grain style. Well one of
them says, oh, I've never seen a grain silo fly before.
Had taken off and is coming down the hillside toward
them one hundred feet over. Several cars are parked there
watching and a few trucks and then all of a
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sudden it till the sideways and shot straight to the clouds.
So things were happening, you know, at that time. In fact,
I found out that Alan Heinich came and visited base
and what came on base, And I remember all kinds
of talk about blue Book on base, and this was
in I think in November nineteen sixty six, and but
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I didn't know what blue Book was. I don't know
what the heck that was all about, and so I
never questioned it. But now through my research I found
out what Heineck was there for and it was because
of the instant border patrol man instant and another one
instant that another missileer in my squadron had it believe
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it was Mike flight instead of November flight where was
when I was involved with.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Wow, So they never really told you more about They
were just basically just don't speak about this. Huh.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It was don't speak about this ever again, and this
are as seconds there that ever happened again. But then
I learned because I was told to keep quiet and
never questioned, and the crew that I relieved it was
never questioned or up a souses an every question, Oh,
this has happened many times previous, before and afterwards.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So basically the Air Force was saying that this has
happened before. We're used to having this happen. Yes, it's real.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
And they didn't want to question me because they already knew,
and they didn't want the words spread around because.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
If they would have been, it would have been more like, see,
obviously they're asking they must.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Not know about this, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
It's actually more telling that they didn't ask anything about it.
It's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And I wish I'd known that earlier. But all through
my Air Force rare active duty. I never knew that
other people had to have the incident. Thank god for
Robert Salas coming out. I read his experience on the
internet two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Just like your commander who did not want to talk
about this with the NBA, he just would not come
forward with it. Do you think that's possibly more widespread?
Surely there's got to be a number of incidents that
have happened that have never come out.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, I don't know. But with a lot
of my research and so forth, like with his Border
patrolman Don Flickinger and Val Smith, miss cilier who had
his experience at Mike Flight, and also Dave Sure, Paul Johnson,
there's a number of missilliers. Now who I know?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Is it Woods?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, Mauryel Woods was a security guard out in the field.
But these others I mentioned were missilliers who had incidents
at their loss control centers. But it didn't take missiles down,
but they had experiences where they security top security guard
top site told them about this object that was fluting
around outside. This stuff was going on, but I didn't
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know how extensively it is going on. And my heart
now goes out to all these security guards like Mario
Woods and so forth, because they experienced some horrible things
that went on and I never knew about it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, it seems like a lot of these guys even
had suffered PTSD, but it doesn't seem like they got
much help from the Air Force.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
The Air Force and the VA has not helped them once.
And it really bothers me because there have been a
lot of security guards then and now who've got PTSD
and so forth. Yeah, I really feel for them. Because
we had two kinds of alarms. We had an inner
security alarm and our security alarm at East missile site
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that would get activated now and then. Usually it was
a jackrabbit or something up and across the surface of
a missile site, or it could be a truck running
by nearby in a nearby road and the vibations was
set off alarms, and so we could reset those alarms
down the capsule that we had a button we could
push the set turned the alarms off, but if they'd
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come back on again, we had to send a security
strike team out to manly reset those alarms, and sometimes
they had a lot of trouble resetting these alarms, and
some of those security teams went out to reset the alarms,
they met some carible experiences. Like I said before, the
youth was hovering over their heads. Besides Mario Woods, Wilburg Gunf,
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Steven Dubois, you can see their stories on the internet
if you look search hard enough, there must be hundreds
by now of security guards who have seen these things
hovering over ICBM missile sign.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Since you've come forward, have you had a chance to
talk to any of these guys that were there or
were top sites?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Since I have talked to Mario Woods and so far,
he is the one that has experienced the worst of
the worst. I hate to say it, but he was
actually he and his partner were a kidnapped an Air
Force pickup truck and taken miles away and dropped off
and when they woke up they had no idea where
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they were. I've heard that other UFO researchers have talked
to other security guards in South Dakota who were left
out in the in the wilderness and had to walk
the way back to wal North Dakota or South Dakota.
The stories that they have told are just something else.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
So not only do they have this trauma of seeing
an unidentified object, but also the trauma of their own
military drop them off in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, it wasn't the military. Is something else that dropped
them out off in their aware Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yes, they were hostages, they were abductees, they were taking
else weren't dropped off?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Do they recount their story like that they interacted with beings?
Did they think they were Elon.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Maara Woods has a good story, and he's the only
one that I've personally interviewed has come out and like
I said, what he went through is just something I
wishing no individual experience.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I know that. I feel like that even further substantiates
what happened to the rest of you, you know there. Obviously,
it's another piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
What I might say is that there are fifteen launch
sites around Mina and north Ta Juda. From southeast of
Mina to northeast of Mine, not in the clockwise direction,
there's fifteen launch control centers about fifty to send five
miles away from town. Each one of these at centers
controls ten missiles, so that's one hundred and fifty missiles
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all together. So this is now no small area and
they're still active today. They're still man today by people
with men man three missiles. Incredibly, this is no small deal.
This is no sir, and that's this. This is just
one missile side of course the now F E. Warren
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and there's malse folks based in Montana that are still
a missiles.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
When we come back, we're going to talk to Captain
Shinley about what it was like holding on to the
secret for so long and then how it felt too
Actually come forward. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Captain Chinley. David.
Was it hard for you to hold onto this secret?
Did you feel like you knew something extraordinary that the
rest of the world didn't know or should know?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Well, you know, that's the way it felt like for sure,
that Hey, I know something that nobody else around here knows,
and I can't talk about it, and I didn't talk
about it, and therefore so I was scared to death.
Just like the crew that we relieved, they haven't talked
about it to the stay. I have no idea whether
the deputy commander is still living or not. But the
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last I heard, the crew commander is still alive. And
I told you what he said to me, so.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
You will not. Yeah. Wow, I wonder how those guys
are struggling. Must be struggling with this as well. Internally,
I would think so.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
But I don't know what kind of effect working at
the Pentagon had on that crew commander. But he's definitely
afraid to even talk about it anymore and didn't really
want to talk to me about it. Well, and I
haven't seen it, Like I said, I haven't seen him
since probably five years reunions ago.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Now, how did this experience change like who you are personally? Like?
Did it change your belief system?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Well? I had a terrific personal impact on me, for sure.
First of all, I was scared to speak out. Years
went by, many years went by. I started thinking, the
public needs to know about this stuff. Somebody needs to
know about this stuff except just me. And when I
found out about Roberts Salads, I read his story, I thought,
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oh my god, you know, and it's almost identical to
my story. And there's been so many other stories out
there that sort of amazing that Hey and I connected.
When I was holding my tongue for forty years, it
didn't really bother me anymore. It was stuck them away
in the back of my head and it just sat there,
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and I really didn't concentrated on much. But I went
to read the story of Robert Sallads I remember to
this day, Oh my god, you know. And then I
started hearing from some of my Air Force buddies in
these reunions and some of their stories, and they hearing mine.
That's when it bothered me. And especially with these inner
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security and I was security alarms and me sending security
guards out there and investigate this stuff. Some of the
times that wasn't jack rabbits, It was a flying saucers.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
This is ongoing. This wasn't just an isolated incident for
you personally. You actually felt that there were other times.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well there are many and many other times. Wow, that
I never knew for sure. Interesting, Yeah, and it's still
going on today.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I would think it certainly seems that way from what
we're hearing.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
The Air Force has been talking at all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Did you feel relieved when you were able to actually
tell your friends and family that this is what happened well.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Two thousand and one, I heard from Robert Sallas and
I talked to him for some time, and then I
created a website in two thousand and five, and I
did it mostly for family and friends, and this covered
a number of every family subjects. But then I also
included my experience in there in that website. And then
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the family found out, and then he was in twenty
ten and Robert Hastings contacted me because he had found
the website, and then we had a big interview out
of that, and then I had to come out and talk.
Although I'm still a little bit reluctant, and I've turned
down a lot of offers to be interviewed, but I
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must say that today the public needs to know.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And how was the response to you coming forward with
this story.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It's hard to tell. It's hard for me to help
because I can tell people and they might say, well, really,
that's nice, and some might not say anything all just
I'll shake their heads and okay, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You understand this, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
There's some very few people that say, oh my god, really,
and even even yesterday Veteran's Day, and talking to some people,
I get some good responses and some of just nothing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, right, but at least you you must feel vindicated
a good that you've got it off your chest and
you've come clean, and that's got to be a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, that's that's that does feel good.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now that you've looked into this subject more because of
this incident, what do you think these UFOs were. Do
you think they would maybe a foreign adversary or do
you really think they were off world?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Well, after viewing the interviewing the people top side, the
six security guards, the cook, and the side manager, and
they viewed this thing here quite sometime right flashing lights,
I said it was the airplane beacon lights. Oh no, no, no,
these are so bride. They had trouble seeing the structure,
that's saying. And then when it finally took off, it
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took off in a flash one two seconds. It was
out of sight. And there's nothing man made on this
earth that can build something like that with the speed
that that thing had. So I knew then that you know,
it's not mad made. Where's it from? Out of this world?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Is all I could think of right now. It's interesting
how when you hear that description of the hovering and
the silence and the lights and the way it disappeared
in a flash. So many UFO accounts that we hear
of today echo exactly those exact same characteristics.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Exactly the same thing. There are so many people not
just in missile fields but other fields now that have
come out and talked the whistleblowers, David Grush especially, So
many people have come out now and talked about this
stuff that.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You thought Rush is pretty credible, right.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Oh, yes, very much credible. Fact is he's a young
guy compared to me, and you know, he's got a
big future ahead of him, but he he just stroyed
part of this feeture that coming out, and you gotta
think about that, you know. And there's so many people
David Fraverer, Ryan Graves, Carl Nell. I mean, these are
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high flooding people. They had big jobs in government and
really really top secret.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
A lot to lose, absolutely, yeah, thank God for all
of them, as well as yourself. You know, whatever these
objects are, they clearly do seem to be interested in
our nuclear program. Not only from you and Bob and
these other stories we've heard, but there's so many other
stories that oftentimes center around nuclear bases Bentwaters. You brought
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up Robert Hastings. He wrote a whole book UFO and Nukes.
What are your thoughts on that? Why are they coming
to the nuclear basis?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Good question, Robert Salis will tell you, and that's that
they're here to give us a warning at nuclear sites,
to give us warning. But you know, it's interesting that
you mentioned Brent Waters because I had a fraternity brother
who is squadron commander of the I think it was
the ninety first time you meet it with eighty first
Fighter Interceptor Squadron, and I exchanged Christmas cards with him
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every Christmas. And I went and visit now to Houston
two three years ago. And he won't talk about it much,
but boy will his wife talk about it. And that
really shook up the community down there at Waters.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Happened. Interesting. Yeah, Well, we've had several people Peniston and
Burroughs and Colonel Holt of course, so many people have
come forward to That's why I feel like that's a
really strong case as well.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yes, yes, And it sets.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Up with your case and Bob Salas at Malstrom. So
many of these cases aligned so in such a specific
way that I feel like that tends to lend credibility
to each of the stories.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And Ben Waters was in December nineteen eighty, mine was
in nineteen sixty six. Sixty seven was Bob sixty seven
was Bob in March six months apart. And at that
time there were nuclear energy facilities were experiencing these objects
hovering around and wizard around this stuff and causing bottles.
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Some people seeing this stuff, but they were quieted also.
So if you do the research which is out there,
you find out about this stuff absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
When we come back, we're going to ask Captain Shinley
what his thoughts are about testifying in Congress and how
that's looking for him. You're listening to be on Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Captain
Shinley about his UFO incident over my Not Air Force
Base back in nineteen sixty six. What was it that
the other witnesses seem to have felt. You said that
Bob felt that the message was a warning or whatever
about the nuclear thing. Do other people have different sentiments?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I have really not heard from other people to what
they think are why this stuff is occurring or what
they're up to. What message are they sending? But the
only message I've heard is that they're sending in us
a message about don't play with these nuclear weapons.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Is it don't play with these or look we can
just turn these off like nothing.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well that's the message. They're turning them off to give
us a message. I think, just like Bob South says.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I E were in charge, we can do at will
what we want.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I mean, they could do much more than they've been doing.
So they're harassing, but they really haven't caused us any harm.
So that's something to think about too.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Absolutely, now you're interviewed by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution
Office ARROW, what did you think about them?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I knew that Sean Kirkpatrick was a fraud to begin
with when he gave his response to an interview with Gilbrandt
and he said to her, we'll make it SEP and
SAP in their language, was someone else's problem. When he
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said that to her, I knew that Sean was a fraud.
And I talked with him, I knew new. I told Sean,
I said, if you're going to use the scientific method
to solve this problem of UFOs and U UAPs and
so forth, You're not going to get anywhere. And then
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he started to argue with me and says, I said,
I don't want to hear it. I mean, the science
of today has not caught up with what U folks
can do, with the physics that U folks can do,
making right angle turns, shooting up in the flash and
so forth. Sean Kirpatrick is a fraud. And I did
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several emails afterwards with some of those people. I said
to that, I said, if you can't fly straight, you know,
get out of the business.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Surprisingly, they went at him at the last hearing, the
congressional hearing as well. That was incredible the way they
went at him.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah, so I was really disurbed. I was angry after
the after all that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I bet I would be too. You also took part
in the twenty thirteen citizens hearing on disclosure with Steve
in twenty thirteen. What do you think it took so
long for people to kind of get or accept or
certainly believe this information? Why is it so slow?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Good question? I've wondered that myself, especially after see has
Bennett See Bennett's thing in Washington, d C. And there
were a lot of people there, and a lot of
well known people there. I sat next to Hellier.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
From Canada.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I didn't know who the heck he was, and later
I found out, I, oh, my goodness, this is getting
into high closis now. And that was only in twenty thirteen.
That made a big impression on me, and it felt
like I was testified before Congress, old to retired senators
and the representatives, but nonetheless it impacted me and I'm
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sure it impacted them.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, it felt that way. What about the possibility of
you actually testifying in front of us sitting Congress? You know,
do you think that might happen?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I hope it comes to be. I hope it was
going to happen this fall, but it looks like it's
going to take a while longer. I have no idea,
and maybe to take another year, maybe two years, maybe
ten to more here. So I hate to think about
it now. But you know, the public pretty much knows
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now there's something going on here, and with people speaking
out and so forth, the Navy speaking out a little bit,
but they are for saying absolutely nothing. That tells you something,
and it sure does.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Now. What are your thoughts on the progress we've seen
so far from Congress. We have had a few hearings,
and they do seem to be taking it very seriously.
And I've been impressed with the knowledge in the questions
they've been asking. It's not like they have no idea
about the subject. They seem some of the members seem
very versed in the subject.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Some of them seem like they've been instructed not to
speak out in certain ways, and that they actually know
things that they don't want to get in trouble with
and talking about. Very pleasing to to see some congressmen
involved with this, But then I think, hey, come on,
you guys, if you know, let the public.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Know, right, you think we're going to get disclosure someday.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
But I hope I'm still around when that.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, I don't think my great great grandchildren will see that.
In uh twenty eighteen, you wrote a book It Never Happened,
Volume one, Yes, about that incident that we've been talking about. Yes,
was it therapeutic for you to write that and get
it all down?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It was very much so. Not only that, but with
my older years and starting to forget things and so forth,
and recognizing that, hey, I'm not a spring Jack and
I used to be writing that stuff down and then
reading it over and over and over again. Oh my god,
you know, yes, answer your question. I've started. I started
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another book many years ago. I published that first volume
in twenty seventeen. I've got another book almost completed. I
just hope I complete it in time. But it talks
about Project Bluebook.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Is this volume two?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
This is volume two, and I hope to publish it
next year, but it might be the year after that.
I hate to say.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
It's great to put it all down so we can
have that it's a part of history. The Minot Air
Force Base had a radar on the base, as you've
alluded to, and several instances that took place there, as
you also mentioned with Val Smith. J Allen Heinek Well,
working for Project Blue Book, came out there and investigated
that incident, and of course, the Project bluebooks conclusion is
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that there's never been any incident that was a threat
to national security. Well, it seems to me like turning
off ten nuclear warheads would qualify. But what do I know, what.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Do you do?
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Well? Yeah, I would think so. Sitting outside the fence
and and sixty feet above the underground capsule at control
of those missiles and to take them off alert. It's
just amazing and then have a.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
National security than turning off our defense system.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You're exactly right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It's incredible. Well, thank you, sir. I really appreciate you
taking the time to share your story with us. It's
an important piece of the puzzle and an important part
of history. So thank you again.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Well, you know this happened for me sixty years ago
in September, and so you know that's not just a
short time ago. This has been stuff has been going
on for a long time. The public needs to know this.
Read my book you'll find out all about it, and
plus a bunch of other things that they are force
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is put under the covers.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Unbelievable. Well, thank you for sharing all of that. I'm
glad you put it down in the book. Thanks everyone
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Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to be on Contact. I am Captain Ron, and
today we have the honor of speaking with an actual captain,
retired US Air Force Captain David Shinley. Captain Shinley spent
his active military career as an ICBM launch control officer
with both the Atlas E and Minuteman one weapons systems.
For nearly forty years, Captain Shinley kept his Air Force
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mandated secret of the unearthly experience he had which put
ten of his Minuteman missiles out of commission to himself.
It was only after hearing Robert Sallas and others come
forward with their stories did he actually come forward with
him with his own story. Thankfully, he recognized that the
truth of the UFO question must be released to all humankind.
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Hi Our Captain Shinley, I appreciate you coming on, Thanks
taking the time today.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Hiler, It's good to be with you.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You know, you had quite a panel there at Contact
in the Desert with fellow nuclear incident witnesses. We had
Robert Jamison and Robert Salas and what was that like
sitting there with those other military people who had virtually
the same experience as you did.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Well, it was quite interesting to meet all those people.
For sure, I had met Bob Sallas previously, but some
of those other people I had never met, and it
was really an eye opener to talk with him.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
It was very special for us in the audience as well.
Great to see you guys all coming forward with such
similar stories, which just adds to the strength of these
accounts in my view, would you mind going through the
for the audience. You know what happened to you back
in September of sixty six at the Minot Air Force
Base in North Dakota.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Well, one thing I want to clear up right away
is that I was involved, but I didn't experience the incident.
I relieved the crew that did experience incident. I got
to interview the people top side. There's eight people top
side who saw this object. And then I went down
below and I interviewed the crew members down below and
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then inherited the missiles that they had which were not
launchable because of the UFL incident that they had. My
experience as interviewing everybody there and it was the first
one to see them after it happened.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
So eight people top side actually saw this craft, that's correct,
And how do they describe that craft?
Speaker 5 (03:36):
My commander and I drove up to the facility and
I was able to give the passcode to the top
security guard there and he led us in through the
gate and we parked and I went to the back
of the building and after my inspections top side and
met the site manager and he took me to the
day room. Well, he said, did you hear what happened overnight?
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I says, well, I heard that residents of Ballhall, North
Dakota saw strange lights overnight, and that's what I told him.
And then he took me to the day room and
he pointed out with his hands out west facing windows
of the day room and he described this object that
hovered just beyond the security fence of the facility, and
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it had bright, flashing lights and the way he held
his arms out, it looked to me like maybe it
was one hundred or eighty feet wide, not sure, but
is there in that range. The people that were there,
including the six security guards and the cook, they all
saw this and they were amazed and they were frightened,
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and you could tell it on their faces and their voices.
And I asked him a silly question, well, going to
make a noise? Was it a helicopter? I knew I
should have asked that question, But the response I got
was no, nothing on this earth. Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
So they wouldn't have been shaken if it was a helicopter.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
No, And hill Coopers didn't fly at night, and when
they did fly, they landed immediately on the entrance road
to the facility. So this is something they had never
seen before and frankly it made no noise at all.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Wow. So then you come down and you're going to
take over, so you go down below the earth right
to take over for your shift to what manage the missiles.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well, yes, the top side was called the lodge Control facility.
That was the top side. That's where the guards had
places to sleep, and the restroom was there in the
day room and so forth. And then there's a security
center there at the north end of the building where
the top security guard state stayed there and you could
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talk to the crew down below. And the capsule down
below sixty feet below ground is where the two man
crew lived with the launch control console on one end
of the capsule opposite the blast or entry.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And this crew they showed you how the missiles went
offline completely correct.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
When my commander and I walked into the capsule which suspended,
suspended is inside the outer concrete capsule itself, we looked
at the launch control console that opposite end of the
room and all red lights across the console. We had
never seen anything like that in our lives. Usually we'd
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see one maybe one or two missiles off alert for
one reason or another, and usually it was because planned
down maintenance of the missiles, but something like this was
just you'd never seen something like that, And.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That mirrors the other counts, like Bob Sallison things that
they've said, they've they had one off at a time.
He had only ever seen, never all ten off at
one time exactly. And wasn't it the same designation that
Bob had as well, where it was guidance and control
malfunction unlaunchable.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, we had something called VERSA, the voice recording and
Signal assembly, and we could punch a button and quarry
each missile and it would talk back to us. And
there are several errors of the missile had that spoke
to us, but the one in common that they all
had was guides and carosis and malfunction. I must say
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that I was really really surprised when I heard that
Bob Salas has the same exact situation, which was six
months after the situation that I was involved with. And
by the way, the commander of the crew that re
relieved is still alive. He's still living, but he will
not come out. He worked in the Pentagon ten years
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after may not, and I see him at regular reunions.
I used to see him at regular unions. Our reunions
would be held about every year and a half all
over the country places all the country, and I saw
him just about every time I went to reunion. And
the last one I saw him at was the Las
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Vegas reunion. He essentially told me, he says, this is
a very very serious incident. And when I got to base,
I was directed to sign a non disclosure agreement that
I would never talk again about this. He says, I
want to tell you, Dave, this is last time you
will talk to me.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I gave him a copy of my book and I
never saw him again at the following years.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
So you can tell the kind of impact that's had
on him.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yes, that's very dramatic. When you saw that all of
these were offline, did you guys get them back up
active again or did they come online by themselves? How
did they get active again?
Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know, I have a lot of trouble remembering that
that part of the story, because after this, the lyric
was the same as all the other alerts, except we
were busy with maintenance crews out in the field. They
were talking to us, asking us to very tests and
so forth. But I never remember a single missile coming
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up at that time. I could be wrong. Maybe one
or two came up, but I was there. As far
as I can remember, none came up.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Is there any chances could have just been a malfunction,
a normal malfunction.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
No, And I tell you the reason why. When the
crew that we relieved got back to base, they had
to sign the non disclosure agreement, but they were never
questioned about the incident. And when I got to Basse
and my commander, we were never questioned about this. That
we're just told to keep quiet and then all shame.
We were told that was on the tephone telephone conversation
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down to the capsule before we left. And so when
we got back to base, everything seemed calm and normal
and so forth, we're mystified, what's going on here? Don't
they want to know about this? And then talked to
Robert Sallace about this and says, you know, I had
to sign a non disclosed agreement also, he said, but
he also said that he was never questioned about what
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had happened. That tells you the secrecy was the most
important of all to them.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Remarkable that seems very odd to me was the conclusion
that UFOs were responsible for turning off these nuclear weapons.
There's that bulland Or memo that said that any national
security cases could be reported through certain channels. Basically, there's
a disconnect. They're internally saying that these UFOs are a
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serious national security risk, but publicly they seem to be
saying there's no threat to it at all. Let's get
Captain's reaction to that when we come back on the
other side. You're listening to be on Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking to Captain Shinley
about the UFO incident over my Not Air Force base
back in nineteen sixty six. Captain, what is your reaction
to that that they seem to keep this really quiet
to the public, right into everybody.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
As far as their force is concerned. To this day,
it never happened. It will be sixty years come next
September that this incident happened, and for me, this is
really old self. And since then, all these whistleblowers have
come out since twenty seventeen, when these Navy videos came
out and so forth, and the public pretty much knows
now what the truth is because of us Wilson whistle lawers.
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But I have some real still has some really deep,
deeper concerns that I had when I was a might
not and might not I was won of you. What's
wrong with everybody? People must know about this stuff, but
nobody's talking. And now how people are talking.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
That's good. I want to have more and more people.
Every piece adds to the puzzle. You know. It's just
so odd to me how you were saying in the
last segment that you guys were not even really debriefed
at all. You think it'd be prepped that look, if
this happens again, here's what to do, here's the protocol.
But nothing.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, it was really mystifying to us. We saw a
news article on December sixth, nineteen sixty six, which was
a month and a half after our incident, and the
article in my daily news said some to the fact
that saucers at launch Control Center facilities and give indications
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of outer space visitors. I thought, oh, my goodness, six
it gets around town on base, maybe the secret will
come out. But it never did. And then December seventeenth,
Saturday evening posts came out with a story about border
patrolmen going up to the Candydia border with two individuals
to exchange with Canada, and they came upon a ufo
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up on the hillside. The prisoners in the car thought
it was a didn't know what it was and asked
the officers, Oh, that's a grain style. Well one of
them says, oh, I've never seen a grain silo fly before.
Had taken off and is coming down the hillside toward
them one hundred feet over. Several cars are parked there
watching and a few trucks and then all of a
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sudden it till the sideways and shot straight to the clouds.
So things were happening, you know, at that time. In fact,
I found out that Alan Heinich came and visited base
and what came on base, And I remember all kinds
of talk about blue Book on base, and this was
in I think in November nineteen sixty six, and but
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I didn't know what blue Book was. I don't know
what the heck that was all about, and so I
never questioned it. But now through my research I found
out what Heineck was there for and it was because
of the instant border patrol man instant and another one
instant that another missileer in my squadron had it believe
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it was Mike flight instead of November flight where was
when I was involved with.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Wow, So they never really told you more about They
were just basically just don't speak about this. Huh.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
It was don't speak about this ever again, and this
are as seconds there that ever happened again. But then
I learned because I was told to keep quiet and
never questioned, and the crew that I relieved it was
never questioned or up a souses an every question, Oh,
this has happened many times previous, before and afterwards.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So basically the Air Force was saying that this has
happened before. We're used to having this happen. Yes, it's real.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
And they didn't want to question me because they already knew,
and they didn't want the words spread around because.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
If they would have been, it would have been more like, see,
obviously they're asking they must.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Not know about this, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
It's actually more telling that they didn't ask anything about it.
It's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
And I wish I'd known that earlier. But all through
my Air Force rare active duty. I never knew that
other people had to have the incident. Thank god for
Robert Salas coming out. I read his experience on the
internet two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Just like your commander who did not want to talk
about this with the NBA, he just would not come
forward with it. Do you think that's possibly more widespread?
Surely there's got to be a number of incidents that
have happened that have never come out.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Yeah, you know, I don't know. But with a lot
of my research and so forth, like with his Border
patrolman Don Flickinger and Val Smith, miss cilier who had
his experience at Mike Flight, and also Dave Sure, Paul Johnson,
there's a number of missilliers. Now who I know?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Is it Woods?
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, Mauryel Woods was a security guard out in the field.
But these others I mentioned were missilliers who had incidents
at their loss control centers. But it didn't take missiles down,
but they had experiences where they security top security guard
top site told them about this object that was fluting
around outside. This stuff was going on, but I didn't
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know how extensively it is going on. And my heart
now goes out to all these security guards like Mario
Woods and so forth, because they experienced some horrible things
that went on and I never knew about it.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, it seems like a lot of these guys even
had suffered PTSD, but it doesn't seem like they got
much help from the Air Force.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
The Air Force and the VA has not helped them once.
And it really bothers me because there have been a
lot of security guards then and now who've got PTSD
and so forth. Yeah, I really feel for them. Because
we had two kinds of alarms. We had an inner
security alarm and our security alarm at East missile site
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that would get activated now and then. Usually it was
a jackrabbit or something up and across the surface of
a missile site, or it could be a truck running
by nearby in a nearby road and the vibations was
set off alarms, and so we could reset those alarms
down the capsule that we had a button we could
push the set turned the alarms off, but if they'd
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come back on again, we had to send a security
strike team out to manly reset those alarms, and sometimes
they had a lot of trouble resetting these alarms, and
some of those security teams went out to reset the alarms,
they met some carible experiences. Like I said before, the
youth was hovering over their heads. Besides Mario Woods, Wilburg Gunf,
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Steven Dubois, you can see their stories on the internet
if you look search hard enough, there must be hundreds
by now of security guards who have seen these things
hovering over ICBM missile sign.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Since you've come forward, have you had a chance to
talk to any of these guys that were there or
were top sites?
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Since I have talked to Mario Woods and so far,
he is the one that has experienced the worst of
the worst. I hate to say it, but he was
actually he and his partner were a kidnapped an Air
Force pickup truck and taken miles away and dropped off
and when they woke up they had no idea where
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they were. I've heard that other UFO researchers have talked
to other security guards in South Dakota who were left
out in the in the wilderness and had to walk
the way back to wal North Dakota or South Dakota.
The stories that they have told are just something else.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
So not only do they have this trauma of seeing
an unidentified object, but also the trauma of their own
military drop them off in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Well, it wasn't the military. Is something else that dropped
them out off in their aware Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yes, they were hostages, they were abductees, they were taking
else weren't dropped off?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Do they recount their story like that they interacted with beings?
Did they think they were Elon.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
Maara Woods has a good story, and he's the only
one that I've personally interviewed has come out and like
I said, what he went through is just something I
wishing no individual experience.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I know that. I feel like that even further substantiates
what happened to the rest of you, you know there. Obviously,
it's another piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
What I might say is that there are fifteen launch
sites around Mina and north Ta Juda. From southeast of
Mina to northeast of Mine, not in the clockwise direction,
there's fifteen launch control centers about fifty to send five
miles away from town. Each one of these at centers
controls ten missiles, so that's one hundred and fifty missiles
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all together. So this is now no small area and
they're still active today. They're still man today by people
with men man three missiles. Incredibly, this is no small deal.
This is no sir, and that's this. This is just
one missile side of course the now F E. Warren
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and there's malse folks based in Montana that are still
a missiles.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
When we come back, we're going to talk to Captain
Shinley about what it was like holding on to the
secret for so long and then how it felt too
Actually come forward. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
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are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Captain Chinley. David.
Was it hard for you to hold onto this secret?
Did you feel like you knew something extraordinary that the
rest of the world didn't know or should know?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Well, you know, that's the way it felt like for sure,
that Hey, I know something that nobody else around here knows,
and I can't talk about it, and I didn't talk
about it, and therefore so I was scared to death.
Just like the crew that we relieved, they haven't talked
about it to the stay. I have no idea whether
the deputy commander is still living or not. But the
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last I heard, the crew commander is still alive. And
I told you what he said to me, so.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
You will not. Yeah. Wow, I wonder how those guys
are struggling. Must be struggling with this as well. Internally,
I would think so.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
But I don't know what kind of effect working at
the Pentagon had on that crew commander. But he's definitely
afraid to even talk about it anymore and didn't really
want to talk to me about it. Well, and I
haven't seen it, Like I said, I haven't seen him
since probably five years reunions ago.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Now, how did this experience change like who you are personally? Like?
Did it change your belief system?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Well? I had a terrific personal impact on me, for sure.
First of all, I was scared to speak out. Years
went by, many years went by. I started thinking, the
public needs to know about this stuff. Somebody needs to
know about this stuff except just me. And when I
found out about Roberts Salads, I read his story, I thought,
(22:23):
oh my god, you know, and it's almost identical to
my story. And there's been so many other stories out
there that sort of amazing that Hey and I connected.
When I was holding my tongue for forty years, it
didn't really bother me anymore. It was stuck them away
in the back of my head and it just sat there,
(22:46):
and I really didn't concentrated on much. But I went
to read the story of Robert Sallads I remember to
this day, Oh my god, you know. And then I
started hearing from some of my Air Force buddies in
these reunions and some of their stories, and they hearing mine.
That's when it bothered me. And especially with these inner
(23:07):
security and I was security alarms and me sending security
guards out there and investigate this stuff. Some of the
times that wasn't jack rabbits, It was a flying saucers.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
This is ongoing. This wasn't just an isolated incident for
you personally. You actually felt that there were other times.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well there are many and many other times. Wow, that
I never knew for sure. Interesting, Yeah, and it's still
going on today.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
I would think it certainly seems that way from what
we're hearing.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
The Air Force has been talking at all.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Did you feel relieved when you were able to actually
tell your friends and family that this is what happened well.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Two thousand and one, I heard from Robert Sallas and
I talked to him for some time, and then I
created a website in two thousand and five, and I
did it mostly for family and friends, and this covered
a number of every family subjects. But then I also
included my experience in there in that website. And then
(24:08):
the family found out, and then he was in twenty
ten and Robert Hastings contacted me because he had found
the website, and then we had a big interview out
of that, and then I had to come out and talk.
Although I'm still a little bit reluctant, and I've turned
down a lot of offers to be interviewed, but I
(24:30):
must say that today the public needs to know.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And how was the response to you coming forward with
this story.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It's hard to tell. It's hard for me to help
because I can tell people and they might say, well, really,
that's nice, and some might not say anything all just
I'll shake their heads and okay, you know, but.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
You understand this, yes, sir.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
There's some very few people that say, oh my god, really,
and even even yesterday Veteran's Day, and talking to some people,
I get some good responses and some of just nothing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, right, but at least you you must feel vindicated
a good that you've got it off your chest and
you've come clean, and that's got to be a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, that's that's that does feel good.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Now that you've looked into this subject more because of
this incident, what do you think these UFOs were. Do
you think they would maybe a foreign adversary or do
you really think they were off world?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Well, after viewing the interviewing the people top side, the
six security guards, the cook, and the side manager, and
they viewed this thing here quite sometime right flashing lights,
I said it was the airplane beacon lights. Oh no, no, no,
these are so bride. They had trouble seeing the structure,
that's saying. And then when it finally took off, it
(25:56):
took off in a flash one two seconds. It was
out of sight. And there's nothing man made on this
earth that can build something like that with the speed
that that thing had. So I knew then that you know,
it's not mad made. Where's it from? Out of this world?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Is all I could think of right now. It's interesting
how when you hear that description of the hovering and
the silence and the lights and the way it disappeared
in a flash. So many UFO accounts that we hear
of today echo exactly those exact same characteristics.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Exactly the same thing. There are so many people not
just in missile fields but other fields now that have
come out and talked the whistleblowers, David Grush especially, So
many people have come out now and talked about this
stuff that.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
You thought Rush is pretty credible, right.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Oh, yes, very much credible. Fact is he's a young
guy compared to me, and you know, he's got a
big future ahead of him, but he he just stroyed
part of this feeture that coming out, and you gotta
think about that, you know. And there's so many people
David Fraverer, Ryan Graves, Carl Nell. I mean, these are
(27:14):
high flooding people. They had big jobs in government and
really really top secret.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
A lot to lose, absolutely, yeah, thank God for all
of them, as well as yourself. You know, whatever these
objects are, they clearly do seem to be interested in
our nuclear program. Not only from you and Bob and
these other stories we've heard, but there's so many other
stories that oftentimes center around nuclear bases Bentwaters. You brought
(27:43):
up Robert Hastings. He wrote a whole book UFO and Nukes.
What are your thoughts on that? Why are they coming
to the nuclear basis?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Good question, Robert Salis will tell you, and that's that
they're here to give us a warning at nuclear sites,
to give us warning. But you know, it's interesting that
you mentioned Brent Waters because I had a fraternity brother
who is squadron commander of the I think it was
the ninety first time you meet it with eighty first
Fighter Interceptor Squadron, and I exchanged Christmas cards with him
(28:14):
every Christmas. And I went and visit now to Houston
two three years ago. And he won't talk about it much,
but boy will his wife talk about it. And that
really shook up the community down there at Waters.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Happened. Interesting. Yeah, Well, we've had several people Peniston and
Burroughs and Colonel Holt of course, so many people have
come forward to That's why I feel like that's a
really strong case as well.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Yes, yes, And it sets.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Up with your case and Bob Salas at Malstrom. So
many of these cases aligned so in such a specific
way that I feel like that tends to lend credibility
to each of the stories.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
And Ben Waters was in December nineteen eighty, mine was
in nineteen sixty six. Sixty seven was Bob sixty seven
was Bob in March six months apart. And at that
time there were nuclear energy facilities were experiencing these objects
hovering around and wizard around this stuff and causing bottles.
(29:23):
Some people seeing this stuff, but they were quieted also.
So if you do the research which is out there,
you find out about this stuff absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
When we come back, we're going to ask Captain Shinley
what his thoughts are about testifying in Congress and how
that's looking for him. You're listening to be on Contact
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
(30:07):
We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Captain
Shinley about his UFO incident over my Not Air Force
Base back in nineteen sixty six. What was it that
the other witnesses seem to have felt. You said that
Bob felt that the message was a warning or whatever
about the nuclear thing. Do other people have different sentiments?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I have really not heard from other people to what
they think are why this stuff is occurring or what
they're up to. What message are they sending? But the
only message I've heard is that they're sending in us
a message about don't play with these nuclear weapons.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Is it don't play with these or look we can
just turn these off like nothing.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Well that's the message. They're turning them off to give
us a message. I think, just like Bob South says.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I E were in charge, we can do at will
what we want.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I mean, they could do much more than they've been doing.
So they're harassing, but they really haven't caused us any harm.
So that's something to think about too.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Absolutely, now you're interviewed by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution
Office ARROW, what did you think about them?
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I knew that Sean Kirkpatrick was a fraud to begin
with when he gave his response to an interview with Gilbrandt
and he said to her, we'll make it SEP and
SAP in their language, was someone else's problem. When he
(31:43):
said that to her, I knew that Sean was a fraud.
And I talked with him, I knew new. I told Sean,
I said, if you're going to use the scientific method
to solve this problem of UFOs and U UAPs and
so forth, You're not going to get anywhere. And then
(32:04):
he started to argue with me and says, I said,
I don't want to hear it. I mean, the science
of today has not caught up with what U folks
can do, with the physics that U folks can do,
making right angle turns, shooting up in the flash and
so forth. Sean Kirpatrick is a fraud. And I did
(32:26):
several emails afterwards with some of those people. I said
to that, I said, if you can't fly straight, you know,
get out of the business.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Surprisingly, they went at him at the last hearing, the
congressional hearing as well. That was incredible the way they
went at him.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Yeah, so I was really disurbed. I was angry after
the after all that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
I bet I would be too. You also took part
in the twenty thirteen citizens hearing on disclosure with Steve
in twenty thirteen. What do you think it took so
long for people to kind of get or accept or
certainly believe this information? Why is it so slow?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Good question? I've wondered that myself, especially after see has
Bennett See Bennett's thing in Washington, d C. And there
were a lot of people there, and a lot of
well known people there. I sat next to Hellier.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
From Canada.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I didn't know who the heck he was, and later
I found out, I, oh, my goodness, this is getting
into high closis now. And that was only in twenty thirteen.
That made a big impression on me, and it felt
like I was testified before Congress, old to retired senators
and the representatives, but nonetheless it impacted me and I'm
(33:43):
sure it impacted them.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Well, it felt that way. What about the possibility of
you actually testifying in front of us sitting Congress? You know,
do you think that might happen?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I hope it comes to be. I hope it was
going to happen this fall, but it looks like it's
going to take a while longer. I have no idea,
and maybe to take another year, maybe two years, maybe
ten to more here. So I hate to think about
it now. But you know, the public pretty much knows
(34:14):
now there's something going on here, and with people speaking
out and so forth, the Navy speaking out a little bit,
but they are for saying absolutely nothing. That tells you something,
and it sure does.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Now. What are your thoughts on the progress we've seen
so far from Congress. We have had a few hearings,
and they do seem to be taking it very seriously.
And I've been impressed with the knowledge in the questions
they've been asking. It's not like they have no idea
about the subject. They seem some of the members seem
very versed in the subject.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Some of them seem like they've been instructed not to
speak out in certain ways, and that they actually know
things that they don't want to get in trouble with
and talking about. Very pleasing to to see some congressmen
involved with this, But then I think, hey, come on,
you guys, if you know, let the public.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Know, right, you think we're going to get disclosure someday.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
But I hope I'm still around when that.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Yeah, I don't think my great great grandchildren will see that.
In uh twenty eighteen, you wrote a book It Never Happened,
Volume one, Yes, about that incident that we've been talking about. Yes,
was it therapeutic for you to write that and get
it all down?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
It was very much so. Not only that, but with
my older years and starting to forget things and so forth,
and recognizing that, hey, I'm not a spring Jack and
I used to be writing that stuff down and then
reading it over and over and over again. Oh my god,
you know, yes, answer your question. I've started. I started
(35:52):
another book many years ago. I published that first volume
in twenty seventeen. I've got another book almost completed. I
just hope I complete it in time. But it talks
about Project Bluebook.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Is this volume two?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
This is volume two, and I hope to publish it
next year, but it might be the year after that.
I hate to say.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
It's great to put it all down so we can
have that it's a part of history. The Minot Air
Force Base had a radar on the base, as you've
alluded to, and several instances that took place there, as
you also mentioned with Val Smith. J Allen Heinek Well,
working for Project Blue Book, came out there and investigated
that incident, and of course, the Project bluebooks conclusion is
(36:42):
that there's never been any incident that was a threat
to national security. Well, it seems to me like turning
off ten nuclear warheads would qualify. But what do I know, what.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Do you do?
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Well? Yeah, I would think so. Sitting outside the fence
and and sixty feet above the underground capsule at control
of those missiles and to take them off alert. It's
just amazing and then have a.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
National security than turning off our defense system.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You're exactly right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It's incredible. Well, thank you, sir. I really appreciate you
taking the time to share your story with us. It's
an important piece of the puzzle and an important part
of history. So thank you again.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Well, you know this happened for me sixty years ago
in September, and so you know that's not just a
short time ago. This has been stuff has been going
on for a long time. The public needs to know this.
Read my book you'll find out all about it, and
plus a bunch of other things that they are force
(37:48):
is put under the covers.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Unbelievable. Well, thank you for sharing all of that. I'm
glad you put it down in the book. Thanks everyone
for listening. You could find me on Twitter and Instagram
at CID Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out
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