December 30, 2023 • 14 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and documentary filmmaker Mark Christopher Lee discuss whether Earth's religions would be able to survive disclosure of alien life in the galaxy, if there are stories of aliens in the Bible, and if aliens will reveal themselves to be our gods.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Mark Christopher Lee is a musician from the band The
Pocket Gots and a documentary filmmaker focusing on the paranormal
and UFOs. His latest film, God Versus Aliens explores the
impact that first contact with extraterrestrials would have on the
world's religions and the role that artificial intelligence will play.
(00:27):
Mark Christopher Lee, Welcome to Coast to Coast, AM.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
How are you, Yeah, very.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well, thank you for inviting me on, Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
As much a prit pleasure my pleasure. In researching your documentary,
did you find that any in any of the texts
in any of the world's let's say, major religions mentioning
the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think there is an a roundabout way, and I
think the way the main three Aprahamic religions refer to
these as angelic beings. I think if you look at
especially the Old Testament of the Torah, we can see
lots of evidence of this that you know, these angelic
(01:13):
beings are basically extraterrestrials. And for instance, Moses when he
goes up to mant SINEI to receive the Tenker moments.
That's another other worldly extraterrestrial in County. He comes back
with a kind of glowing light, and that's mentioned in
(01:34):
the Bible. So he has some sort of interaction with
some strange Obviously that's God, but you could interpret it
as an extraterrestrial. I guess it comes back with a
translucent light around him, which is very very strange. And
that's what these angelic beings have when they interact with
(01:54):
the human world. So we could go back and evaluates
the Bible, for instance, with this mindset, and I think
it quite quite profound. Really, I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We need to make a distinction between interdimensionals, those things,
those entities, let's say, that exist outside of our space
and time, versus extraterrestrials, things that exist within our space
and time, but albeit at vast distances. Because if we're
talking about interdimensionals and eventually we come in contact with
(02:35):
and some people claim that they do already and speak
with them and so forth. But if disclosure amounts to
an affirmation the existence of these interdimensionals, that might in
fact be faith affirming, because that sort of follows the
narrative of many of the world's religions. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean that's the position where I kind of
ended up after all this research, you know, and you know,
a couple of decades of looking into this, and I
come from a Christian viewpoint as well, that I'm looking
at what people are experiencing now in terms of UFOs
and contact with aliens. I think it is possibly inter dimensional.
(03:22):
It is something paranormal. For instance, it's not necessarily a
visit from et from you know, hundreds of light years away.
That's the conclusion I'm kind of reaching. I mean, that's
just my personal belief with everything I've looked at, but
that's where I'm looking at. I don't know whether's euthologists
(03:42):
from John Keel to Jacques Valet they proposed this as well.
And because there is the element of highest strangers with
these encounters that is possibly not just an interaction with
a physical being that maybe it comes an entity, is
(04:02):
an energy from a non human intelligence from another dimension,
another reality. And that's the mind blowing part of this.
And maybe that's why we're not getting disclosure is always
getting pushed back. It's because maybe those that know that
it's far weirder than physical eats from another planet. It's
(04:24):
something far more strange, and that could be a reason
why we're not getting full disclosure at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Let's suppose so for a moment, that we're not talking
about in three dimensionals, that we are talking about extraterrestrials,
intelligent life, intelligent civilizations existing in other galaxies, perhaps even
in our own galaxy, interacting with human civilization. This, really,
(04:55):
I would imagine, would pose the greatest challenge to the
world's major because, as I mentioned in my introduction, at
least with the monotheistic monotheistic faiths, we tend to think
of ourselves as I think I used the term, you know,
the we are the apple in God's eye. We are
special in His creation. Now, you know, the Church capital
(05:18):
C has has managed to, I guess, show some theological
dexterity and being able to adapt to some of the
other challenges. And you bring this up in the film,
things like Darwin's theory of evolution, you know, Galileo and
Copernicus challenging the you know, the Earth being the center
(05:38):
of the of the Solar system. Then the question is, though,
could could the Church, could the major religions survive this
kind of disclosure. Extraterrestrials, not inter dimensionals, but advanced intelligence civilizations.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, that's a really good question. Possibly they could, like
like I've said in the film, have survived you know,
Darwin's evolution and you know that, and then Galileic Copernicus,
that's not the center of the universe, so survived massive
found impacts and somehow adapted and carried on. However, it
(06:25):
would depend on the extra trestrials that were, you know,
from us where visiting us. Despite the fact that they've
got here are they're going to be far more advanced
than ours Technologically, they found some way to travel the
bust distances involved, so they're going to have that level
(06:46):
of superiority. And so the technology, and maybe also philosophically
and spiritually, maybe they've evolved to a higher level. Maybe
they they will bring their own god, God's teachings or
their own lack of gods. And then the question then
(07:08):
is would they impose what they believe in a reverse
colonialism whereas we went out and christianized a lot of
the world, would et for instance, come and you know,
impose its own beliefs or lack of beliefs on us
because you know they're going to be farm but of
(07:29):
your load bakes this question then et that's going to
be visiting it. There's going to be probably billions of
years far more advanced than we are, so it's going
to have that superiority. So the question is will it
would it impose that maybe for our own benefit or
maybe just because they can. I mean, these are the
questions I wanted to pose in the film that, like
(07:51):
you quite rightly said, we might have to face soon hopefully.
So I think we need to have a conversation about
this because you know, there are a lot of people
in the world that I have believe in a God.
And I just also asked, what are the main religious
(08:12):
authorities doing about this? There's been some some rumors that
the Vatican, the head of the Catholic Church, have already
prepared for this, and they do have people already appointed
to deal with this, right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think they staked out a position. I think you
mentioned it in the film. I think it was around
two thousand and was it two thousand and eight or earlier?
The yeah, the Church said, you know, if there is
in fact extraterrestrial life, we will. You know, we acknowledge
the possibility, and they would these entities would just be
(08:52):
part of God's creation.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking to we have a Christian minister,
the Reverend Daniel Thompson interviewed in the film, and he
takes that position as well.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But he has no problem with the fact that you know,
there is going to be life elsewhere in the universe,
and it's all part of God's life. So it would
naturally come under the same religious I guess authority as
as we do, so we would all be governed by
the same God. So I don't necessarily think that there
(09:31):
is a conflict. It depends, like I said, on the
intentions of our visitors.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I guess you lay out a number of scenarios and
you just mentioned one that you know, ets could impose
their own religion, or they may they may look at
our religion is incredibly primitive. They may have their own
belief or or system of belief. They can, but also
(10:02):
they could also demonstrate with their technological advancement and so forth,
that then they are our creators. And then you know,
there are certainly there's school of thought among the UFO
devotes who believe that you know, we are creations of
of et. I mean that would, I would argue, pose
the greatest problem for the world's major religions for the
(10:26):
for ets to arrive and basically tell us we are
your gods.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, I mean that that's the whole kind of ancient alien.
I guess ethos is that we were visiting and somehow
maybe we're some sort of hybrid or basically just developed
for the purposes of this extraterrestrial right, I guess. And
that wasn't the Zacharia sitution that looked at the ancient
(10:54):
Sumerian text and decoded them and found that this was
the case, and we were created as a slave race
for you know, an alien civilization. So with them coming back,
would that be them coming back to enslavers again and
to use this in some way maybe you know, life
(11:15):
on Earth. It's just one huge experiment. Yeah, I mean
that would obviously that would be the scariest I guess,
because we would lose Yeah, these aus freedom, I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Billy Graham, you quote him in the documentary as well.
He was quoted I think it was in the National Inquirer.
Occasionally they got it right. It wasn't all about you know,
Elvis and Bigfoot occasionally they got it right. What was
the quote I'm trying to remember from from evangelist Billy
(11:51):
Graham and his thoughts on the existence of extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I was trying to remember to realize.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I mean, the apshot was that he believed he believed
that God created alien life, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It didn't seem to have a problem with it, and
he thought that it would fall under you know, under
God's God's realm of kind of would be you know,
brothers and sisters, I guess. And this kind of flies
in the face of a kind of modern evangelical thinking
(12:29):
which basically says that UFOs and aliens are demons, and
we've uncovered a lot of evidence that, you know, this
is the thinking that a lot of the US government
and a lot of the UK government still believe. And
that's why, especially the UK government is not investigating UFOs
(12:52):
and aliens seriously, because there are elements in the UK
government and Nick Pope from the md IS it's confirmed
this that that do believe that this is a demonic entity,
Satan dominions, and it should be just left well alone.
We shouldn't be interacting or communicating with it. So Billy
(13:14):
had a different and it was the world's leading evangelist.
Evangelist at the time, had a lot of impact. But
it seems now that they're viewing the most possible hostile threat,
you know, an evil threat. Obviously I don't believe that's
(13:35):
the case, but it shows why that there's a pushback,
and people have said that's why possibly US Congress has
been pushed back. It is because of this this force
in power. I believe it's demonic.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Mark Christopher Lee is a musician from the band The
Pocket Gots and a documentary filmmaker focusing on the paranormal
and UFOs. His latest film, God Versus Aliens explores the
impact that first contact with extraterrestrials would have on the
world's religions and the role that artificial intelligence will play.
(00:27):
Mark Christopher Lee, Welcome to Coast to Coast, AM.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
How are you, Yeah, very.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well, thank you for inviting me on, Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
As much a prit pleasure my pleasure. In researching your documentary,
did you find that any in any of the texts
in any of the world's let's say, major religions mentioning
the possibility of extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think there is an a roundabout way, and I
think the way the main three Aprahamic religions refer to
these as angelic beings. I think if you look at
especially the Old Testament of the Torah, we can see
lots of evidence of this that you know, these angelic
(01:13):
beings are basically extraterrestrials. And for instance, Moses when he
goes up to mant SINEI to receive the Tenker moments.
That's another other worldly extraterrestrial in County. He comes back
with a kind of glowing light, and that's mentioned in
(01:34):
the Bible. So he has some sort of interaction with
some strange Obviously that's God, but you could interpret it
as an extraterrestrial. I guess it comes back with a
translucent light around him, which is very very strange. And
that's what these angelic beings have when they interact with
(01:54):
the human world. So we could go back and evaluates
the Bible, for instance, with this mindset, and I think
it quite quite profound. Really, I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
We need to make a distinction between interdimensionals, those things,
those entities, let's say, that exist outside of our space
and time, versus extraterrestrials, things that exist within our space
and time, but albeit at vast distances. Because if we're
talking about interdimensionals and eventually we come in contact with
(02:35):
and some people claim that they do already and speak
with them and so forth. But if disclosure amounts to
an affirmation the existence of these interdimensionals, that might in
fact be faith affirming, because that sort of follows the
narrative of many of the world's religions. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean that's the position where I kind of
ended up after all this research, you know, and you know,
a couple of decades of looking into this, and I
come from a Christian viewpoint as well, that I'm looking
at what people are experiencing now in terms of UFOs
and contact with aliens. I think it is possibly inter dimensional.
(03:22):
It is something paranormal. For instance, it's not necessarily a
visit from et from you know, hundreds of light years away.
That's the conclusion I'm kind of reaching. I mean, that's
just my personal belief with everything I've looked at, but
that's where I'm looking at. I don't know whether's euthologists
(03:42):
from John Keel to Jacques Valet they proposed this as well.
And because there is the element of highest strangers with
these encounters that is possibly not just an interaction with
a physical being that maybe it comes an entity, is
(04:02):
an energy from a non human intelligence from another dimension,
another reality. And that's the mind blowing part of this.
And maybe that's why we're not getting disclosure is always
getting pushed back. It's because maybe those that know that
it's far weirder than physical eats from another planet. It's
(04:24):
something far more strange, and that could be a reason
why we're not getting full disclosure at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Let's suppose so for a moment, that we're not talking
about in three dimensionals, that we are talking about extraterrestrials,
intelligent life, intelligent civilizations existing in other galaxies, perhaps even
in our own galaxy, interacting with human civilization. This, really,
(04:55):
I would imagine, would pose the greatest challenge to the
world's major because, as I mentioned in my introduction, at
least with the monotheistic monotheistic faiths, we tend to think
of ourselves as I think I used the term, you know,
the we are the apple in God's eye. We are
special in His creation. Now, you know, the Church capital
(05:18):
C has has managed to, I guess, show some theological
dexterity and being able to adapt to some of the
other challenges. And you bring this up in the film,
things like Darwin's theory of evolution, you know, Galileo and
Copernicus challenging the you know, the Earth being the center
(05:38):
of the of the Solar system. Then the question is, though,
could could the Church, could the major religions survive this
kind of disclosure. Extraterrestrials, not inter dimensionals, but advanced intelligence civilizations.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, that's a really good question. Possibly they could, like
like I've said in the film, have survived you know,
Darwin's evolution and you know that, and then Galileic Copernicus,
that's not the center of the universe, so survived massive
found impacts and somehow adapted and carried on. However, it
(06:25):
would depend on the extra trestrials that were, you know,
from us where visiting us. Despite the fact that they've
got here are they're going to be far more advanced
than ours Technologically, they found some way to travel the
bust distances involved, so they're going to have that level
(06:46):
of superiority. And so the technology, and maybe also philosophically
and spiritually, maybe they've evolved to a higher level. Maybe
they they will bring their own god, God's teachings or
their own lack of gods. And then the question then
(07:08):
is would they impose what they believe in a reverse
colonialism whereas we went out and christianized a lot of
the world, would et for instance, come and you know,
impose its own beliefs or lack of beliefs on us
because you know they're going to be farm but of
(07:29):
your load bakes this question then et that's going to
be visiting it. There's going to be probably billions of
years far more advanced than we are, so it's going
to have that superiority. So the question is will it
would it impose that maybe for our own benefit or
maybe just because they can. I mean, these are the
questions I wanted to pose in the film that, like
(07:51):
you quite rightly said, we might have to face soon hopefully.
So I think we need to have a conversation about
this because you know, there are a lot of people
in the world that I have believe in a God.
And I just also asked, what are the main religious
(08:12):
authorities doing about this? There's been some some rumors that
the Vatican, the head of the Catholic Church, have already
prepared for this, and they do have people already appointed
to deal with this, right.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think they staked out a position. I think you
mentioned it in the film. I think it was around
two thousand and was it two thousand and eight or earlier?
The yeah, the Church said, you know, if there is
in fact extraterrestrial life, we will. You know, we acknowledge
the possibility, and they would these entities would just be
(08:52):
part of God's creation.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, absolutely, And then speaking to we have a Christian minister,
the Reverend Daniel Thompson interviewed in the film, and he
takes that position as well.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
But he has no problem with the fact that you know,
there is going to be life elsewhere in the universe,
and it's all part of God's life. So it would
naturally come under the same religious I guess authority as
as we do, so we would all be governed by
the same God. So I don't necessarily think that there
(09:31):
is a conflict. It depends, like I said, on the
intentions of our visitors.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I guess you lay out a number of scenarios and
you just mentioned one that you know, ets could impose
their own religion, or they may they may look at
our religion is incredibly primitive. They may have their own
belief or or system of belief. They can, but also
(10:02):
they could also demonstrate with their technological advancement and so forth,
that then they are our creators. And then you know,
there are certainly there's school of thought among the UFO
devotes who believe that you know, we are creations of
of et. I mean that would, I would argue, pose
the greatest problem for the world's major religions for the
(10:26):
for ets to arrive and basically tell us we are
your gods.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, I mean that that's the whole kind of ancient alien.
I guess ethos is that we were visiting and somehow
maybe we're some sort of hybrid or basically just developed
for the purposes of this extraterrestrial right, I guess. And
that wasn't the Zacharia sitution that looked at the ancient
(10:54):
Sumerian text and decoded them and found that this was
the case, and we were created as a slave race
for you know, an alien civilization. So with them coming back,
would that be them coming back to enslavers again and
to use this in some way maybe you know, life
(11:15):
on Earth. It's just one huge experiment. Yeah, I mean
that would obviously that would be the scariest I guess,
because we would lose Yeah, these aus freedom, I guess.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Billy Graham, you quote him in the documentary as well.
He was quoted I think it was in the National Inquirer.
Occasionally they got it right. It wasn't all about you know,
Elvis and Bigfoot occasionally they got it right. What was
the quote I'm trying to remember from from evangelist Billy
(11:51):
Graham and his thoughts on the existence of extraterrestrials.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I was trying to remember to realize.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I mean, the apshot was that he believed he believed
that God created alien life, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
It didn't seem to have a problem with it, and
he thought that it would fall under you know, under
God's God's realm of kind of would be you know,
brothers and sisters, I guess. And this kind of flies
in the face of a kind of modern evangelical thinking
(12:29):
which basically says that UFOs and aliens are demons, and
we've uncovered a lot of evidence that, you know, this
is the thinking that a lot of the US government
and a lot of the UK government still believe. And
that's why, especially the UK government is not investigating UFOs
(12:52):
and aliens seriously, because there are elements in the UK
government and Nick Pope from the md IS it's confirmed
this that that do believe that this is a demonic entity,
Satan dominions, and it should be just left well alone.
We shouldn't be interacting or communicating with it. So Billy
(13:14):
had a different and it was the world's leading evangelist.
Evangelist at the time, had a lot of impact. But
it seems now that they're viewing the most possible hostile threat,
you know, an evil threat. Obviously I don't believe that's
(13:35):
the case, but it shows why that there's a pushback,
and people have said that's why possibly US Congress has
been pushed back. It is because of this this force
in power. I believe it's demonic.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
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one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
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