January 27, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest host George Knapp and author Whitley Strieber discuss the genetics and lifestyles of grey aliens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio, you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Were talking about the possibility that there will be pushback
from the government no matter what gets revealed. Say, someone
will say it's all a syop of some sort, it's
a cover story for spyplanes or counterintelligence or diversions from
legitimate programs that want to confuse our adversaries in the public.
And there will be people in UFO world who come
forward and say that right that they'll.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Go alonger there will. But you know, there's a bottom
line in that it had a purpose and the structure.
What basically happened was in nineteen forty, once the bombs started,
the atomic bombs started being exploded. They you know, as
(00:49):
far as I know, these beings have a lot of
experience with not just with Earth, but this in universe
is immense, and they probably are aware of many planets
in which there are young species struggling to survive, which
(01:09):
is basically our situation. And when they saw that we
were beginning to attack each other with atomic weapons, they
grew alarmed and thought they might not survive, and they
began to try to warn us. In the first warnings
(01:31):
came in nineteen forty six when they shot down a
V two rocket that was being tested at White Sands,
a German missile that was being tested at White Sands.
Because they'd already put two and two together, they knew
(01:52):
that the atomic bombs that were large bomb ungainly objects
in the bombbays of of the bombers at Roswell would
soon be much smaller and end up in the nose
cones of missiles like that. And they can't they don't
(02:13):
have vocal cords, they cannot speak, and we can't hear telepathy.
It took me a long time to get into a
state where I can usefully engage in telepi telepathy. With it,
I can actually engage with this. It's not easy even now.
(02:38):
But in any case, our military couldn't hear them in
any way. We were broadcasting radio. They'd even had it.
They were trying to reach us telepathically and it wasn't working.
The result is they tried to demonstrate. They gave us
(03:00):
a donation at Roswell of this craft that crashed with
bodies in it. General Arthur Exten told members of my
family that he held one of these bodies in his arms.
He said it was like a big insect. My uncle,
one of my uncles, was at right Air Materiel when
(03:24):
the debris was brought in, and he told me only
a little bit about it, but he presumably studied it
because he was then a detail to the Atomic Energy Commission,
and this entire project went to the Atomic Energy Commission
in the late forties, so you know, presumably he worked
(03:44):
on for his whole career. But he was very close mouthed.
He didn't say much. He did talk to me, and
General Xen talked to me after I published Community, And
that's why I can even bring them up in any case.
They have been attempting to basically to help us, and
it's they're not They're tough and they are very determined.
(04:09):
And to give you an example, the abductions had two purposes. First,
it was to collect, and not just from human beings,
but from animals and plants as well, a record of
the light of the of the of the beings on
(04:30):
this planet, of the species here in case this planet
becomes unviable, as it would if we had a generalized
nuclear exchange. And I'm sure they've seen that happen in
the in the universe before otherwise they wouldn't be, so
I'm certain of it. They then also, and I think
(04:55):
this was a mixed bag in terms of success. There
may be if there may have been some successes I
don't know about, but I do know about some semi successes.
They hybridized, They created beings that look like us, that
are human essentially, but which have telepathic abilities so they
(05:20):
can communicate with the visitors. Unfortunately, they are not voiced.
They can't speak. So I say it's a mixed bag.
They can live here and they can walk among us,
but they can't talk. And if they can't talk, they
(05:40):
can't really function in human society, can they. So you
know they got a problem. They live I presume in
little end plaves by themselves. I don't know how many
there are. There couldn't be too many in the world.
My wife Anne and I engaged and encountered one that
lived in the woods behind our house for a while,
(06:01):
and when we had the house in upstate New York,
and to our amazement, followed us to Texas when we
moved to a condo in San Antonio, where the town
I was born in, and he would stand in the
night outside the condo right outside our bedroom and you
(06:23):
and try to engage with me telepathically, and I couldn't
handle it, and I eventually succeeded in driving him off.
But I mean, boy, he was the poor guy was
in trouble. He was not.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He was not.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
A whole person. And in the fourth mind, I go
into in detail exactly what his genetic problems were. I
have identified the genetic defect that caused him to be
like he is, and the other hybrids. I've met some
other hybrids now too, and some people who work with them,
(07:04):
because there are people who are not hybrids who work
with them and are not connected as far as I
know to the Defense Department, that they could be in
any case. That those are the two primary reasons for
the abductions. One is to collect a fail safe if
we lose if the planet, if we go extinct, And
(07:28):
two is to try, and I think not completely successfully,
create a bridge species between the two of us. They
do not want to replace us at all. They want
us to thrive here, and they're trying their best in
their own way. They're very tough, they don't have things
(07:49):
like they're not sentimental. And if you in the fourth mind,
I go into exactly the ways in which they are
machines and the ways in which they are biology. And
they were mixed bag like the bodies that I discussed
in detail that were at one point Fort Detrick in Maryland,
(08:12):
don't have reproductive organs. Therefore they are biological machines. They
can't be. They had to have been built. I am
aware of the fact that there are some of them
that do reproduce, and that so they're not all machines.
And you know, people talk about a hive mind, but
(08:36):
that is not the case they have, and I think
this is even true of the little non uh reproducing ones.
They have very subtle minds, very big minds, and they
are a they each each they have personalities, they're various personalities.
(09:02):
I don't think their personalities are as deep and complex
as ours. And they are all basically connected to the
same larger consciousness they have. In other words, they have
individual personalities with a group mind, and that makes them
very different from us. And it also when you learn
(09:23):
enough about how to be with them, you find that
you know, they present a very fierce face to the world,
but inside that consciousness there's an extraordinary sense of peace,
and they really love each other very much. And so
(09:45):
you know, when I hear things like Jake talks about
Jake Barbera talks about, they would shoot them down and
they call them meat puppets, and things come on, it's
not what they were. You're calling you something a meat
puppet that has a brain, that has four lobes instead
(10:05):
of three, and there's twenty percent larger than our brains. Somehow,
that doesn't strike me as a meat puppet. They don't
have the same relationship to death that we do. They
can come and go in their bodies. I have seen
their bodies rise up out of a drawer like dead
(10:27):
bodies come to life because they were being insold their devices.
The ships are themselves in sold at times. There's a
wonderful book called UFO Sky Pilots that I'll remember the
name that I've getten too old to remember the names
of anybody, but I remember a lot else. In any case,
(10:51):
It's a book where all kinds of stories are gathered
from close encounter. Witness have own UFOs, and they all
say the same thing. You touch something and various people
at various different control surfaces, and your soul goes into
(11:11):
the body of the machine. Now fast forward to Jake
Barber's interview with Ross. He describes an experience where he
is moving a machine and something comes out of the
(11:33):
machine and possesses him. Something leaves the leaves the body
of the machine like a soul and comes and comes
into him. And he was found it beautiful and a feminine, gentle,
feminine presence that had a certain sadness to it. But
(11:56):
what he didn't understand was it was actually their version
of a weapon. It was trying to tame him and
to engage him as of it was trying to say,
(12:17):
we're friends, you don't need to shoot at us, basically,
and it's still with him, it's become part of his life.
And this is this These operators, these tough guys who
are out there on the front lines dealing with this.
More than one of them will come forward and say
something like that happened to them. But behind it all,
(12:40):
there is another deeper thing, and this is my wife,
Anne was you know, when I met her, we were
just a couple of kids. There was nothing unusual about
Anne or me for that matter, either one of us.
In my opinion, we were just two kids in New
York who met through dating service big deal and turned
(13:05):
out to be a damn genius of the first order.
I wouldn't have ever published a book if it hadn't
been for Anne, because Anne was my editor and she
was very good at it. Then, when Communion comes along,
Anne understands it deeply from just the beginning. I finally
(13:28):
when I told Anne, I said to Anne, I finally
faced it, and I thought to myself, I've got to
tell an How do I tell her? I got to
take it a board a flying saucer by little men.
I told my friend Timothy Greenfield Saunders, his dear friend
to this day, about it. He said, God, just tell her.
She'll she'll pick up on it. So I tell her
(13:50):
and she says, oh, thank God. I thought you were
going crazy. And from then on and she ruled the rouse.
She figured it out. I was gonna call the book
body terror. She says, no, you call it communion because
that's what it's about. And that is still what it's about.
(14:13):
It is about more than standing face to face in
contact with people from another world. It is about joining
each other in a new way. In the second half
of the fourth Mind outlines exactly how that will go
down and it's gonna happen. It is not bad, It
(14:34):
is not scary. Well, it's gonna be a little scary,
but scary for me and I would guess it'll be
scary for everybody because you know, it's a new way
of being alive, it's a new way of experiencing life.
But I think we can do it. I don't think
they'd be here. I don't think they'd spend a second
on us if they didn't think we could do it.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, I you know, you've heard the stories over
the years that they're here because they need something from us.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, they sure do it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But I was I think it's also interesting that to
consider whether they're here also to help us, and that
they know what's coming and we're going to need we're
going to need to change in order to survive whatever
is next.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We need help, and so do they, and we can.
We can, we can be stronger together. That's basically what
it's about. And they've been here for a long time.
It's nothing new. It's just that now things have reached
this critical point. Our population has exploded, we're loaded up
with atronic bombs, and you know, if they're if if
(15:35):
if they're gonna engage with us and get what they
would like to get from us. Now is the time.
Otherwise it ain't gonna happen because we're not going to
be here. This place is going to be a cinder
or something sooner or later.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
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Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio, you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Were talking about the possibility that there will be pushback
from the government no matter what gets revealed. Say, someone
will say it's all a syop of some sort, it's
a cover story for spyplanes or counterintelligence or diversions from
legitimate programs that want to confuse our adversaries in the public.
And there will be people in UFO world who come
forward and say that right that they'll.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Go alonger there will. But you know, there's a bottom
line in that it had a purpose and the structure.
What basically happened was in nineteen forty, once the bombs started,
the atomic bombs started being exploded. They you know, as
(00:49):
far as I know, these beings have a lot of
experience with not just with Earth, but this in universe
is immense, and they probably are aware of many planets
in which there are young species struggling to survive, which
(01:09):
is basically our situation. And when they saw that we
were beginning to attack each other with atomic weapons, they
grew alarmed and thought they might not survive, and they
began to try to warn us. In the first warnings
(01:31):
came in nineteen forty six when they shot down a
V two rocket that was being tested at White Sands,
a German missile that was being tested at White Sands.
Because they'd already put two and two together, they knew
(01:52):
that the atomic bombs that were large bomb ungainly objects
in the bombbays of of the bombers at Roswell would
soon be much smaller and end up in the nose
cones of missiles like that. And they can't they don't
(02:13):
have vocal cords, they cannot speak, and we can't hear telepathy.
It took me a long time to get into a
state where I can usefully engage in telepi telepathy. With it,
I can actually engage with this. It's not easy even now.
(02:38):
But in any case, our military couldn't hear them in
any way. We were broadcasting radio. They'd even had it.
They were trying to reach us telepathically and it wasn't working.
The result is they tried to demonstrate. They gave us
(03:00):
a donation at Roswell of this craft that crashed with
bodies in it. General Arthur Exten told members of my
family that he held one of these bodies in his arms.
He said it was like a big insect. My uncle,
one of my uncles, was at right Air Materiel when
(03:24):
the debris was brought in, and he told me only
a little bit about it, but he presumably studied it
because he was then a detail to the Atomic Energy Commission,
and this entire project went to the Atomic Energy Commission
in the late forties, so you know, presumably he worked
(03:44):
on for his whole career. But he was very close mouthed.
He didn't say much. He did talk to me, and
General Xen talked to me after I published Community, And
that's why I can even bring them up in any case.
They have been attempting to basically to help us, and
it's they're not They're tough and they are very determined.
(04:09):
And to give you an example, the abductions had two purposes. First,
it was to collect, and not just from human beings,
but from animals and plants as well, a record of
the light of the of the of the beings on
(04:30):
this planet, of the species here in case this planet
becomes unviable, as it would if we had a generalized
nuclear exchange. And I'm sure they've seen that happen in
the in the universe before otherwise they wouldn't be, so
I'm certain of it. They then also, and I think
(04:55):
this was a mixed bag in terms of success. There
may be if there may have been some successes I
don't know about, but I do know about some semi successes.
They hybridized, They created beings that look like us, that
are human essentially, but which have telepathic abilities so they
(05:20):
can communicate with the visitors. Unfortunately, they are not voiced.
They can't speak. So I say it's a mixed bag.
They can live here and they can walk among us,
but they can't talk. And if they can't talk, they
(05:40):
can't really function in human society, can they. So you
know they got a problem. They live I presume in
little end plaves by themselves. I don't know how many
there are. There couldn't be too many in the world.
My wife Anne and I engaged and encountered one that
lived in the woods behind our house for a while,
(06:01):
and when we had the house in upstate New York,
and to our amazement, followed us to Texas when we
moved to a condo in San Antonio, where the town
I was born in, and he would stand in the
night outside the condo right outside our bedroom and you
(06:23):
and try to engage with me telepathically, and I couldn't
handle it, and I eventually succeeded in driving him off.
But I mean, boy, he was the poor guy was
in trouble. He was not.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
He was not.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
A whole person. And in the fourth mind, I go
into in detail exactly what his genetic problems were. I
have identified the genetic defect that caused him to be
like he is, and the other hybrids. I've met some
other hybrids now too, and some people who work with them,
(07:04):
because there are people who are not hybrids who work
with them and are not connected as far as I
know to the Defense Department, that they could be in
any case. That those are the two primary reasons for
the abductions. One is to collect a fail safe if
we lose if the planet, if we go extinct, And
(07:28):
two is to try, and I think not completely successfully,
create a bridge species between the two of us. They
do not want to replace us at all. They want
us to thrive here, and they're trying their best in
their own way. They're very tough, they don't have things
(07:49):
like they're not sentimental. And if you in the fourth mind,
I go into exactly the ways in which they are
machines and the ways in which they are biology. And
they were mixed bag like the bodies that I discussed
in detail that were at one point Fort Detrick in Maryland,
(08:12):
don't have reproductive organs. Therefore they are biological machines. They
can't be. They had to have been built. I am
aware of the fact that there are some of them
that do reproduce, and that so they're not all machines.
And you know, people talk about a hive mind, but
(08:36):
that is not the case they have, and I think
this is even true of the little non uh reproducing ones.
They have very subtle minds, very big minds, and they
are a they each each they have personalities, they're various personalities.
(09:02):
I don't think their personalities are as deep and complex
as ours. And they are all basically connected to the
same larger consciousness they have. In other words, they have
individual personalities with a group mind, and that makes them
very different from us. And it also when you learn
(09:23):
enough about how to be with them, you find that
you know, they present a very fierce face to the world,
but inside that consciousness there's an extraordinary sense of peace,
and they really love each other very much. And so
(09:45):
you know, when I hear things like Jake talks about
Jake Barbera talks about, they would shoot them down and
they call them meat puppets, and things come on, it's
not what they were. You're calling you something a meat
puppet that has a brain, that has four lobes instead
(10:05):
of three, and there's twenty percent larger than our brains. Somehow,
that doesn't strike me as a meat puppet. They don't
have the same relationship to death that we do. They
can come and go in their bodies. I have seen
their bodies rise up out of a drawer like dead
(10:27):
bodies come to life because they were being insold their devices.
The ships are themselves in sold at times. There's a
wonderful book called UFO Sky Pilots that I'll remember the
name that I've getten too old to remember the names
of anybody, but I remember a lot else. In any case,
(10:51):
It's a book where all kinds of stories are gathered
from close encounter. Witness have own UFOs, and they all
say the same thing. You touch something and various people
at various different control surfaces, and your soul goes into
(11:11):
the body of the machine. Now fast forward to Jake
Barber's interview with Ross. He describes an experience where he
is moving a machine and something comes out of the
(11:33):
machine and possesses him. Something leaves the leaves the body
of the machine like a soul and comes and comes
into him. And he was found it beautiful and a feminine, gentle,
feminine presence that had a certain sadness to it. But
(11:56):
what he didn't understand was it was actually their version
of a weapon. It was trying to tame him and
to engage him as of it was trying to say,
(12:17):
we're friends, you don't need to shoot at us, basically,
and it's still with him, it's become part of his life.
And this is this These operators, these tough guys who
are out there on the front lines dealing with this.
More than one of them will come forward and say
something like that happened to them. But behind it all,
(12:40):
there is another deeper thing, and this is my wife,
Anne was you know, when I met her, we were
just a couple of kids. There was nothing unusual about
Anne or me for that matter, either one of us.
In my opinion, we were just two kids in New
York who met through dating service big deal and turned
(13:05):
out to be a damn genius of the first order.
I wouldn't have ever published a book if it hadn't
been for Anne, because Anne was my editor and she
was very good at it. Then, when Communion comes along,
Anne understands it deeply from just the beginning. I finally
(13:28):
when I told Anne, I said to Anne, I finally
faced it, and I thought to myself, I've got to
tell an How do I tell her? I got to
take it a board a flying saucer by little men.
I told my friend Timothy Greenfield Saunders, his dear friend
to this day, about it. He said, God, just tell her.
She'll she'll pick up on it. So I tell her
(13:50):
and she says, oh, thank God. I thought you were
going crazy. And from then on and she ruled the rouse.
She figured it out. I was gonna call the book
body terror. She says, no, you call it communion because
that's what it's about. And that is still what it's about.
(14:13):
It is about more than standing face to face in
contact with people from another world. It is about joining
each other in a new way. In the second half
of the fourth Mind outlines exactly how that will go
down and it's gonna happen. It is not bad, It
(14:34):
is not scary. Well, it's gonna be a little scary,
but scary for me and I would guess it'll be
scary for everybody because you know, it's a new way
of being alive, it's a new way of experiencing life.
But I think we can do it. I don't think
they'd be here. I don't think they'd spend a second
on us if they didn't think we could do it.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, I you know, you've heard the stories over
the years that they're here because they need something from us.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, they sure do it.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But I was I think it's also interesting that to
consider whether they're here also to help us, and that
they know what's coming and we're going to need we're
going to need to change in order to survive whatever
is next.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We need help, and so do they, and we can.
We can, we can be stronger together. That's basically what
it's about. And they've been here for a long time.
It's nothing new. It's just that now things have reached
this critical point. Our population has exploded, we're loaded up
with atronic bombs, and you know, if they're if if
(15:35):
if they're gonna engage with us and get what they
would like to get from us. Now is the time.
Otherwise it ain't gonna happen because we're not going to
be here. This place is going to be a cinder
or something sooner or later.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to Coast
am dot com for more
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