May 29, 2025 • 19 mins
George Noory and paranormal investigators Theresa Argie and Cathi Weber, otherwise known as the "Haunted Housewives," share stories of their ghost hunting adventures, discuss why ghost investigations continue to gain popularity, and recount some of their scariest encounters in spirits in haunted prisons and funeral homes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back, George Nori with you. The Haunted Housewives
back with us after a five or six year hiatus.
Teresa Argie and Kathy Weber, also known as the Haunted Housewives,
have been involved in the paranormal fiel for decades. The
two teams. They've teamed up more than fifteen years ago
when Teresa, an experienced ghost hunter, met Kathy, a historian
(00:26):
and local author, and it began, Hello Teresa, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thanks George, thanks for having us back again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And Kathy, Hello to you.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Hi, George, It's good to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You Haunted the Housewives finally get together and meet up. Teresa.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You first, Oh, well, that's always a fun story to tell.
I was working with a local ghost hunting team here
in Ohio where I'm from, and they had previously done
an event with Kathy. It was kind of a combination
fund rais or ghost hunt, which I found fascinating. I
(01:02):
unfortunately didn't get to go, but I wanted to find
out more about this this avenue of entertainment, fundraising and
ghost hunting, and they said, oh, you should, you should
get in touch with Kathy. So I found Kathy and
I introduced myself and she was like, okay, that's nice,
but she wasn't interested in doing any more ghost hunting.
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And I just kind of kept showing up.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
At her job and her work and her local ghost
walk that she had, and finally I think she thought
I was a crazy stalker.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And finally on one of her ghost walks, and I
had a very profound experience when we got to one
of the locations, and I think she either thought I
was crazy or that there was something to it. And
I basically told her that I wasn't going to go
away unless I could talk her into coming at a
ghost hunt with me.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Kathy, you fell for this, Sohn.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Not willingly and not right away.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
In fact, the first time she tried to contact me,
I assumed it was like a crank call. So when
she tried to make time to meet with me, finally
she did just show up on the ghostblok because I
never called her back. And that's the first time we
met was in person, and I was still very very
reluctant to team up with her.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I thought she was a little crazy. What I still do.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
What was the first haunted episode that you two went on.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The truth is she was just coming around.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
We were meeting and out of all the things to happen,
I had planned a fundraiser at Ohio State Reformatory, one
of the most haunted places in the United States, and
she came with me to that and that was my
introduction to basically ghost hunting, and I, you know, introduction
by fire because crazy things were happening and she was
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kind of mentoring me, and there were a few other
people there, but I remember saying I needed to know
more about this.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I need to find out what they're doing or and
how they do this.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
And it kept me awake after the nights, and I
kept calling her them to meet and do a little
bit of paranormal research.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So, Teresa, what is the state of haunting investigations today?
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think the atmosphere has changed a little bit since
Kathy and I got into it. Like when I first
was involved in this, no one was ghost hunting, and
if they were, they weren't. They weren't telling people about
it publicly. It was still kind of frowned upon and
people thought you were kind of nuts. But then things
exploded with reality TV and the Internet bringing more people together,
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and then we had this huge influx of reality shows
and ghost hunting shows, and suddenly it became kind of
the cool new thing to do, this ghost hunting, and
people were becoming so kind of celebrities with it, and
I think the market got really saturated with that, and
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I think since then it's backed off a little bit
and a lot of people have moved on to other interests.
But yet there are still people who really take this
to heart and find it more of a not just
a hobby, but something they're really dedicated to and are
real serious about. So I actually like the way it's changed.
I think it's gone from I want to get on
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TV and get a ghost hunting show, or I want
to prove to the world that ghosts are real, to
I need to know more answers, or I have my
own personal questions about this. So I think the people
that we meet now are more into really finding out
what's happened than to just kind of promoting themselves and
what Kathy and I have found, especially Kathy as there
(04:57):
is a whole new generation of young ghost hunters who
are really interested in it for the right reasons, like
they want to know more about the historic side of
ghost hunting, and I applaud that, and Ken and I
have been working with somebody with that, and especially Kathy,
she gets contacted all the time. In fact, we've been
working with the young girl just this past month or
(05:18):
two who's doing it for her high school senior project.
I think that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
How well known are you two nationwide?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
I think we have our fans and I get contacted
by different people who.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Are around the country, and so does Tree, so we
both do.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
And I don't know what impact we're really having on
other parts of the country, but I do know we
have a lot of friends out there. And I can't
believe after all these years, people still recognize us and
want to work with us and know who we are.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
How did you get the Moniker housewives?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That came from my husband? Actually, this is about the
same time I was trying to get involved with Kathy
and trying to get her to work with me. I
was starting to do my own things locally, like finding
haunted locations and bringing people in and leading ghost hunts
and finding out more about some local things around and
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I was spending a lot of my free time doing it.
And this is when my children were very young still,
and my husband made a comment that I'm like a
haunted housewife running around doing all these ghost hunts and research.
But he likes to say there is a whole lot
of haunted, but not a lot of housewife in that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And it stocked, though, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And then when I got together with Kathy because she
was the ghost Lady of Lake County and I was
the haunted housewife of Mayfield, and we just kind of
joined and became plural the haunted housewives. And Kathy's being
very She's not really she doesn't on tutorr own Horn,
but people come from all over the United States to
go on her ghost walk. And we've been contacted by
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people who have seen us on TV or heard us
on the radio or maybe your show or something that
still call and want us to either investigate with them
or check out their home or give a talk or something.
So I think I think we're still pretty well known
for a couple of old ladies from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And Theresa tell Us And then we'll get to you, Kathy.
What is a ghost?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, I think people have different definitions about what a
ghost is I don't think there's a hard and fast rule,
but what we believe. I think Kathy agrees with me.
What I think is a ghost is what is left
over of your human personality after someone passes away. I
don't want to say it's your soul, because I think
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your soul goes to wherever it needs to go, to
your afterlife, wherever your beliefs are. I believe in heaven.
But a ghost is is what remains of you. It's
almost like an echo of you or your essence that
is still here on earth by choice. I believe that
it has continued to stay on for one reason or another.
(08:14):
I don't know exactly what it is or why it's here,
but I don't think there's any doubt that there is
something that remains after we die. And that is what
I believe is a ghost, like an echo of your
former self that is still lingering around for one reason
or another.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Kathy, your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well, that's like the million dollar question, George, what is
a ghost? But Teresa and I do really agree, mostly
on what she just told you. We've talked extensively about it,
and we you know, it's not something I think I'm
ever going to figure out or none of us are
going to figure out while we're here on Earth. And
(08:55):
it's funny how you change through the years because I've
learned to accept the fact that it's going to always
be missious and there's not going to be a full
answer ever. So so ghosts keep you thinking and keep
you growing in the universe.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I think that people who don't.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Recognize them just don't have an open mind, because if
you want, if you have an open mind, you can
have an encounter everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know, most of the people in our circle, we've.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
All had encounters, of course, because we're open to it
and we're looking for it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
People who are not.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Looking for it, people who are not able to discuss
it or don't want to talk about it, they maybe
will never.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Realize what ghosts are.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So we'll find out about them, but we won't ever
find out about ghosts.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kathy, what would you say is one of your most
memorable experiences?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You know, I was thinking, We've had so many that
have really been fairly profound, because and it could be
like like just at the attic at the Little Red Schoolhouse,
or it could be you know, across the country in
a hotel in Saint Louis, So so many profound experiences
(10:08):
build up to this moment where you're talking to George
Nori and he's asking you these things, because it's like
we've had so many memorable ones, and each one to
a ghost unner, I think is their their day. Hey
remember the day for the first time you heard a
disembodied voice. Hey, remember the day you first saw an apparition.
Remember the day you first saw something move without explanation.
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So I think all of those are very, very memorable,
and they stay with you when you do this for
a regular I don't want to say job.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I guess Hobby, maybe Theresa.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
What would you say for me?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Again? Like Kathy said, we've had many and every year
we have more and more experiences. But I believe the
most profound would have to be the time that I
was at the Ohio State Reformatory, Mansfield Prison, which is
notoriously location here in Ohio. And this is before I
was teamed up with Kathy, when I was working with
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another group and we were there on an investigation, and
it was my first overnight I had been there, but
it was my first like real kind of opportunity to
actually investigate this incredible building, and we had been told
the stories, and I did a little research, and we
were warned about different areas. You know, in this place,
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you might see a shadow in this place, you might
hear footsteps. In this place, women tend to get touched,
so be careful. And we happened to be in the
area where we were warned that women tend to get
touched by some sort of handsy ghost. And it's not
a very visual place in the reformatory. It's actually an
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area between the superintendent's house and all the cells. And
I was coming down a set of stairs and we
were descending to go down to another room, which is
called chapel. And as I turned the stairs and started
walking on the little walkway to the next set of stairs,
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I felt something grab the back of my hair and
yanked my ponytail several times. And I thought it was
my friend that was with me, because again we had
been told in that area be careful, women get touched,
and I thought she was messing with me, like ha ha,
So I turned around, I said, ha ha, very funny
to confront her, and she was still coming downstairs. She
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was not behind me, and I kind of stopped in
my tracks and she's like, what, what's going on? What
are you talking about? And I said, felt something pulled
my ponytail and she's like, well, I wasn't me and
there was no one else behind me, there was no
one in front of me. My hair was not caught
on anything, there was nothing for it to get caught on.
But I most definitely felt a physical force tuged my
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hair to the point where my head yanked back. And
at that point I was like, wow, that was kind
of this isn't just ooh scary sights and sounds. That
was the realization that they can physically interact with you.
And for a moment, I got very scared because I thought,
I'm about seven or eight feet from the next set
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of stairs. What if whatever pulled me back had decided
to wait a couple seconds and push me forward instead,
and I would have gone tumbling down those steps and
I could have very well been hurt. So that for
me was profound and everything changed after that day. I
can absolutely say that after that day, I looked at
ghost hunting completely different. I looked at ghosts completely different
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and what the afterlife was and I was all in.
And that's when I became very serious about the investigating
part and finding about research and learning more about what
this is and what spirits can do, because I really
didn't believe that they could interact with you in that
way like they do in the movies. And that me
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was the most profound experience. I've had several others, but
that was the first and the most profound.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is there any place you would not go to Theresa?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yes, there are a couple places that I won't go.
There's a place here in Ohio. I don't even really
want to mention its name to give it any cred
but it's an old funeral home that has a very
interesting historic background. It was owned by a gentleman and
his family for generations and it was very prominent in
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the black community here for hosting funerals. And it was
a big, huge place, and it was absolutely beautiful, and
I did get the opportunity to tour it, not really
investigated it once it had shut down and it was
in really really poor shape and they were trying to
open it up as an event center and after the
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time it was a funeral home, and I mean they
did everything there. They did be embalming and everything. It
was kind they used it for other activities in the community.
There was a part of it that you could have
different events in it, you know, it was big enough
to hold events, and I thought it was really really interesting,
but it was in a really, really bad neighborhood. And
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since that day that I had investigated it kind of
assess it if we could open it up as an
event center or have ghost hunts in there, which was
going to take a lot of work and a lot
of money to get it to that point. Somebody had
bought it, and the person who bought it was someone
that my husband actually knew personally, and what he did
to that place I think is total sacrilege. And he
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did turn it into a haunted location, and he does
have ghost hunts there, but he's put in all sorts
of blasphemous religious symbols in there and things that as
a Christian I find very offensive, and I think it's
actually attracted a very very dark energy. The guy who
owns it is into the darker side of things. I
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don't want to say Satanism, but I think it could
be Satanism. He is into worshiping something that is not
of the light, and as a Christian, and a Catholic
and someone who values my sanity and my health. I
absolutely refuse to go there. And we've been asked when
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they've had events there, and I won't go there. And
I mean, it's people's choice. If they want to go there,
that's fine, but I won't go there. I think it's
inviting something very dark and very negative into your personal
space to set foot in someplace that is so blasphemous
to something that I hold so dear, so I will
not go there.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
My first radio job, the radio station was a in
a funeral home in Detroit, and I would be working
late sometimes and we'd hear the elevator the conveyor belt
where they put bodies and send them downstairs to get
worked on. It would run by itself. Talk about creepy.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well, oh my god, I found a mummified cat the
first time I was in this place. Yeah, it was.
It was incredible. And it wasn't like mummified on purpose.
I think it had just died and become mummified there.
And it's really sad because when you think of the
things that go on at a funeral home and how
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there could be a lot of spirits running around there,
but it was just kind of the way, the way
it was taken over and turned into something really dark,
to the darker side of ghost hunting, and I wouldn't
go there, but I found it fascinating. I was really
interested in doing something there until this other person took
it over and unfortunately, Yeah, I'm not going to go there.
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At funeral homes they enticed me. I think it would
be really neat to investigate a funeral home, but not
this one.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'd stay away from them if I were you. Yeah,
I agree, Theresa. What's the one thing you wish you
would have learned before you started all this?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
What I wish I would have learned before I started
all this is that it really takes a lot of
patience and a lot of dedication to really be involved
in this field. And I wish I would have known
more like what Kathy knew about how important the history
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is to ghost hunting. For me, I was like, Ooh,
this is interesting, this is incredible. Ghosts are are real
or are they real? And hauntings happen and this could
explain a lot of things, but I didn't appreciate the
historic part of it. What Kathy taught me is that ghosts,
even though they're fascinating and kind of a form of
entertainment for a lot of people, they were once living,
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breathing humans that had families and had lives and had
loves and interests and hobbies, and they have a past.
And sometimes they just are screen me out to be remembered,
and other times they want to be acknowledged for something
that maybe happen, or they have something that they need
to tell. I wish I would have really appreciated the
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more human side of ghosts when I first got into it.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back, George Nori with you. The Haunted Housewives
back with us after a five or six year hiatus.
Teresa Argie and Kathy Weber, also known as the Haunted Housewives,
have been involved in the paranormal fiel for decades. The
two teams. They've teamed up more than fifteen years ago
when Teresa, an experienced ghost hunter, met Kathy, a historian
(00:26):
and local author, and it began, Hello Teresa, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thanks George, thanks for having us back again.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
And Kathy, Hello to you.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Hi, George, It's good to hear.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You Haunted the Housewives finally get together and meet up. Teresa.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
You first, Oh, well, that's always a fun story to tell.
I was working with a local ghost hunting team here
in Ohio where I'm from, and they had previously done
an event with Kathy. It was kind of a combination
fund rais or ghost hunt, which I found fascinating. I
(01:02):
unfortunately didn't get to go, but I wanted to find
out more about this this avenue of entertainment, fundraising and
ghost hunting, and they said, oh, you should, you should
get in touch with Kathy. So I found Kathy and
I introduced myself and she was like, okay, that's nice,
but she wasn't interested in doing any more ghost hunting.
(01:25):
And I just kind of kept showing up.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
At her job and her work and her local ghost
walk that she had, and finally I think she thought
I was a crazy stalker.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And finally on one of her ghost walks, and I
had a very profound experience when we got to one
of the locations, and I think she either thought I
was crazy or that there was something to it. And
I basically told her that I wasn't going to go
away unless I could talk her into coming at a
ghost hunt with me.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Kathy, you fell for this, Sohn.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Not willingly and not right away.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
In fact, the first time she tried to contact me,
I assumed it was like a crank call. So when
she tried to make time to meet with me, finally
she did just show up on the ghostblok because I
never called her back. And that's the first time we
met was in person, and I was still very very
reluctant to team up with her.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
I thought she was a little crazy. What I still do.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
What was the first haunted episode that you two went on.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
The truth is she was just coming around.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
We were meeting and out of all the things to happen,
I had planned a fundraiser at Ohio State Reformatory, one
of the most haunted places in the United States, and
she came with me to that and that was my
introduction to basically ghost hunting, and I, you know, introduction
by fire because crazy things were happening and she was
(03:05):
kind of mentoring me, and there were a few other
people there, but I remember saying I needed to know
more about this.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I need to find out what they're doing or and
how they do this.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
And it kept me awake after the nights, and I
kept calling her them to meet and do a little
bit of paranormal research.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So, Teresa, what is the state of haunting investigations today?
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think the atmosphere has changed a little bit since
Kathy and I got into it. Like when I first
was involved in this, no one was ghost hunting, and
if they were, they weren't. They weren't telling people about
it publicly. It was still kind of frowned upon and
people thought you were kind of nuts. But then things
exploded with reality TV and the Internet bringing more people together,
(03:50):
and then we had this huge influx of reality shows
and ghost hunting shows, and suddenly it became kind of
the cool new thing to do, this ghost hunting, and
people were becoming so kind of celebrities with it, and
I think the market got really saturated with that, and
(04:12):
I think since then it's backed off a little bit
and a lot of people have moved on to other interests.
But yet there are still people who really take this
to heart and find it more of a not just
a hobby, but something they're really dedicated to and are
real serious about. So I actually like the way it's changed.
I think it's gone from I want to get on
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TV and get a ghost hunting show, or I want
to prove to the world that ghosts are real, to
I need to know more answers, or I have my
own personal questions about this. So I think the people
that we meet now are more into really finding out
what's happened than to just kind of promoting themselves and
what Kathy and I have found, especially Kathy as there
(04:57):
is a whole new generation of young ghost hunters who
are really interested in it for the right reasons, like
they want to know more about the historic side of
ghost hunting, and I applaud that, and Ken and I
have been working with somebody with that, and especially Kathy,
she gets contacted all the time. In fact, we've been
working with the young girl just this past month or
(05:18):
two who's doing it for her high school senior project.
I think that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
How well known are you two nationwide?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
I think we have our fans and I get contacted
by different people who.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Are around the country, and so does Tree, so we
both do.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
And I don't know what impact we're really having on
other parts of the country, but I do know we
have a lot of friends out there. And I can't
believe after all these years, people still recognize us and
want to work with us and know who we are.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
How did you get the Moniker housewives?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
That came from my husband? Actually, this is about the
same time I was trying to get involved with Kathy
and trying to get her to work with me. I
was starting to do my own things locally, like finding
haunted locations and bringing people in and leading ghost hunts
and finding out more about some local things around and
(06:19):
I was spending a lot of my free time doing it.
And this is when my children were very young still,
and my husband made a comment that I'm like a
haunted housewife running around doing all these ghost hunts and research.
But he likes to say there is a whole lot
of haunted, but not a lot of housewife in that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And it stocked, though, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And then when I got together with Kathy because she
was the ghost Lady of Lake County and I was
the haunted housewife of Mayfield, and we just kind of
joined and became plural the haunted housewives. And Kathy's being
very She's not really she doesn't on tutorr own Horn,
but people come from all over the United States to
go on her ghost walk. And we've been contacted by
(07:05):
people who have seen us on TV or heard us
on the radio or maybe your show or something that
still call and want us to either investigate with them
or check out their home or give a talk or something.
So I think I think we're still pretty well known
for a couple of old ladies from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And Theresa tell Us And then we'll get to you, Kathy.
What is a ghost?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well, I think people have different definitions about what a
ghost is I don't think there's a hard and fast rule,
but what we believe. I think Kathy agrees with me.
What I think is a ghost is what is left
over of your human personality after someone passes away. I
don't want to say it's your soul, because I think
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your soul goes to wherever it needs to go, to
your afterlife, wherever your beliefs are. I believe in heaven.
But a ghost is is what remains of you. It's
almost like an echo of you or your essence that
is still here on earth by choice. I believe that
it has continued to stay on for one reason or another.
(08:14):
I don't know exactly what it is or why it's here,
but I don't think there's any doubt that there is
something that remains after we die. And that is what
I believe is a ghost, like an echo of your
former self that is still lingering around for one reason
or another.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Kathy, your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Well, that's like the million dollar question, George, what is
a ghost? But Teresa and I do really agree, mostly
on what she just told you. We've talked extensively about it,
and we you know, it's not something I think I'm
ever going to figure out or none of us are
going to figure out while we're here on Earth. And
(08:55):
it's funny how you change through the years because I've
learned to accept the fact that it's going to always
be missious and there's not going to be a full
answer ever. So so ghosts keep you thinking and keep
you growing in the universe.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
And I think that people who don't.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Recognize them just don't have an open mind, because if
you want, if you have an open mind, you can
have an encounter everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
You know, most of the people in our circle, we've.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
All had encounters, of course, because we're open to it
and we're looking for it.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
People who are not.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Looking for it, people who are not able to discuss
it or don't want to talk about it, they maybe
will never.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Realize what ghosts are.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So we'll find out about them, but we won't ever
find out about ghosts.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Kathy, what would you say is one of your most
memorable experiences?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
You know, I was thinking, We've had so many that
have really been fairly profound, because and it could be
like like just at the attic at the Little Red Schoolhouse,
or it could be you know, across the country in
a hotel in Saint Louis, So so many profound experiences
(10:08):
build up to this moment where you're talking to George
Nori and he's asking you these things, because it's like
we've had so many memorable ones, and each one to
a ghost unner, I think is their their day. Hey
remember the day for the first time you heard a
disembodied voice. Hey, remember the day you first saw an apparition.
Remember the day you first saw something move without explanation.
(10:31):
So I think all of those are very, very memorable,
and they stay with you when you do this for
a regular I don't want to say job.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I guess Hobby, maybe Theresa.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
What would you say for me?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Again? Like Kathy said, we've had many and every year
we have more and more experiences. But I believe the
most profound would have to be the time that I
was at the Ohio State Reformatory, Mansfield Prison, which is
notoriously location here in Ohio. And this is before I
was teamed up with Kathy, when I was working with
(11:06):
another group and we were there on an investigation, and
it was my first overnight I had been there, but
it was my first like real kind of opportunity to
actually investigate this incredible building, and we had been told
the stories, and I did a little research, and we
were warned about different areas. You know, in this place,
(11:27):
you might see a shadow in this place, you might
hear footsteps. In this place, women tend to get touched,
so be careful. And we happened to be in the
area where we were warned that women tend to get
touched by some sort of handsy ghost. And it's not
a very visual place in the reformatory. It's actually an
(11:47):
area between the superintendent's house and all the cells. And
I was coming down a set of stairs and we
were descending to go down to another room, which is
called chapel. And as I turned the stairs and started
walking on the little walkway to the next set of stairs,
(12:08):
I felt something grab the back of my hair and
yanked my ponytail several times. And I thought it was
my friend that was with me, because again we had
been told in that area be careful, women get touched,
and I thought she was messing with me, like ha ha,
So I turned around, I said, ha ha, very funny
to confront her, and she was still coming downstairs. She
(12:31):
was not behind me, and I kind of stopped in
my tracks and she's like, what, what's going on? What
are you talking about? And I said, felt something pulled
my ponytail and she's like, well, I wasn't me and
there was no one else behind me, there was no
one in front of me. My hair was not caught
on anything, there was nothing for it to get caught on.
But I most definitely felt a physical force tuged my
(12:54):
hair to the point where my head yanked back. And
at that point I was like, wow, that was kind
of this isn't just ooh scary sights and sounds. That
was the realization that they can physically interact with you.
And for a moment, I got very scared because I thought,
I'm about seven or eight feet from the next set
(13:15):
of stairs. What if whatever pulled me back had decided
to wait a couple seconds and push me forward instead,
and I would have gone tumbling down those steps and
I could have very well been hurt. So that for
me was profound and everything changed after that day. I
can absolutely say that after that day, I looked at
ghost hunting completely different. I looked at ghosts completely different
(13:38):
and what the afterlife was and I was all in.
And that's when I became very serious about the investigating
part and finding about research and learning more about what
this is and what spirits can do, because I really
didn't believe that they could interact with you in that
way like they do in the movies. And that me
(14:00):
was the most profound experience. I've had several others, but
that was the first and the most profound.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is there any place you would not go to Theresa?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yes, there are a couple places that I won't go.
There's a place here in Ohio. I don't even really
want to mention its name to give it any cred
but it's an old funeral home that has a very
interesting historic background. It was owned by a gentleman and
his family for generations and it was very prominent in
(14:33):
the black community here for hosting funerals. And it was
a big, huge place, and it was absolutely beautiful, and
I did get the opportunity to tour it, not really
investigated it once it had shut down and it was
in really really poor shape and they were trying to
open it up as an event center and after the
(14:54):
time it was a funeral home, and I mean they
did everything there. They did be embalming and everything. It
was kind they used it for other activities in the community.
There was a part of it that you could have
different events in it, you know, it was big enough
to hold events, and I thought it was really really interesting,
but it was in a really, really bad neighborhood. And
(15:16):
since that day that I had investigated it kind of
assess it if we could open it up as an
event center or have ghost hunts in there, which was
going to take a lot of work and a lot
of money to get it to that point. Somebody had
bought it, and the person who bought it was someone
that my husband actually knew personally, and what he did
to that place I think is total sacrilege. And he
(15:39):
did turn it into a haunted location, and he does
have ghost hunts there, but he's put in all sorts
of blasphemous religious symbols in there and things that as
a Christian I find very offensive, and I think it's
actually attracted a very very dark energy. The guy who
owns it is into the darker side of things. I
(16:03):
don't want to say Satanism, but I think it could
be Satanism. He is into worshiping something that is not
of the light, and as a Christian, and a Catholic
and someone who values my sanity and my health. I
absolutely refuse to go there. And we've been asked when
(16:23):
they've had events there, and I won't go there. And
I mean, it's people's choice. If they want to go there,
that's fine, but I won't go there. I think it's
inviting something very dark and very negative into your personal
space to set foot in someplace that is so blasphemous
to something that I hold so dear, so I will
not go there.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
My first radio job, the radio station was a in
a funeral home in Detroit, and I would be working
late sometimes and we'd hear the elevator the conveyor belt
where they put bodies and send them downstairs to get
worked on. It would run by itself. Talk about creepy.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well, oh my god, I found a mummified cat the
first time I was in this place. Yeah, it was.
It was incredible. And it wasn't like mummified on purpose.
I think it had just died and become mummified there.
And it's really sad because when you think of the
things that go on at a funeral home and how
(17:23):
there could be a lot of spirits running around there,
but it was just kind of the way, the way
it was taken over and turned into something really dark,
to the darker side of ghost hunting, and I wouldn't
go there, but I found it fascinating. I was really
interested in doing something there until this other person took
it over and unfortunately, Yeah, I'm not going to go there.
(17:44):
At funeral homes they enticed me. I think it would
be really neat to investigate a funeral home, but not
this one.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'd stay away from them if I were you. Yeah,
I agree, Theresa. What's the one thing you wish you
would have learned before you started all this?
Speaker 3 (18:04):
What I wish I would have learned before I started
all this is that it really takes a lot of
patience and a lot of dedication to really be involved
in this field. And I wish I would have known
more like what Kathy knew about how important the history
(18:26):
is to ghost hunting. For me, I was like, Ooh,
this is interesting, this is incredible. Ghosts are are real
or are they real? And hauntings happen and this could
explain a lot of things, but I didn't appreciate the
historic part of it. What Kathy taught me is that ghosts,
even though they're fascinating and kind of a form of
entertainment for a lot of people, they were once living,
(18:49):
breathing humans that had families and had lives and had
loves and interests and hobbies, and they have a past.
And sometimes they just are screen me out to be remembered,
and other times they want to be acknowledged for something
that maybe happen, or they have something that they need
to tell. I wish I would have really appreciated the
(19:12):
more human side of ghosts when I first got into it.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
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